Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Alan Arrison via EV 
If you install a 14-50 outlet, you better make sure you include a 
neutral conductor. (even though most EVSE don't require it)


On 3/7/2016 5:44 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

Hi Peter,
Thanks for the clarification - I too consider installing a NEMA 14 in my
garage. For the 2nd clothes dryer, of course ;-)




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Re: [EVDL] Rudman MK II regulator PCBs

2016-03-07 Thread dovepa via EV 

http://www.evsource.com/conversion/electronics/regulators/mk2/mk2.php
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On 7 Mar 2016 at 6:33, dovepa via EV wrote:

> http://www.evsource.com/tls_MK3.php
> These people appear to still sell them

Mark 3 != Mark 2, not even for very low values of Mark 3.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
Hi Al,
Obviously.
I have several EVSE, most require 120+120V to operate even though they
only provide the 240V to the car.
Only my JuiceBox can live from just a 240V connection.
Installing a NEMA 14 outlet without Neutral would be a code violation
anyway, so I don't plan to go there.

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

If you install a 14-50 outlet, you better make sure you include a 
neutral conductor. (even though most EVSE don't require it)

On 3/7/2016 5:44 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> Thanks for the clarification - I too consider installing a NEMA 14 in
my
> garage. For the 2nd clothes dryer, of course ;-)
>
>

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Re: [EVDL] What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV 
On 7 Mar 2016 at 14:36, Jan Steinman via EV wrote:

> Y'mean like the cord and plug I wired to go into the dryer outlet¦ with a
> 15 kW generator on the other end? :-)

OK, now THAT'S a hazard.

I'm pretty middle of the road on electrical safety - not careless, but not a 
nervous nellie either.  I've had plenty of shocks, and as far as I can tell 
they've only affected my brain, which I rarely need anyway.  :-\

Still, I really try to be careful with stuff that can kill me (or someone 
else) if I do it wrong.  And with this, you have to do everything right, and 
in the right order, and every piece has to work right, or really bad things 
can happen.

Chances are that 99.99% of the time it'll all go fine.  It's what can happen 
that 0.01% of the time that bothers me.  If something went wrong with the 
main breaker and it didn't open (it happens, though not often), or I got 
confused or distracted, it's bad enough that I could fry my inverter or 
start a fire when the power came back on.  It's much worse that I could 
electrocute some lineman trying to get the power back on (or knock him off 
the pole or ladder with a shock).

The other thing that I wouldn't want to use is that double-male cable. (I've 
heard people call these "suicide cords."  I call them "sticks sharpened at 
both ends.")  Don't keep it with the extension cords!  

It's not just me, though I know I can be pretty disoriented when I'm half 
asleep.  If Margaret called me when I was away, asking how to get the power 
back on or put the house back on the mains, would I be able to get every 
step right to talk her through it without being there?  

I use a Square D subpanel.  It has two main breakers interlocked by a steel 
lever, so only one breaker can be on at a time.  You feed one breaker from 
the mains, the other with your backup power.   Anybody can use it safely, 
even in a dark cellar.  It cost me less than $100 and was definitely worth 
it for the peace of mind.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great idea to use your EV (or a batch of 
former EV batteries) for household backup power. But if it doesn't cost much 
or take much effort to do it right, why do a hack job with a stick sharpened 
at both ends?

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[EVDL] 18yrold.cn unscathed using Kung Fu moves in e-bicycle caused car crash

2016-03-07 Thread brucedp5 via EV 


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1981987-18-year-old-survives-chinese-car-crash-using-kung-fu/
18-Year-Old Chinese Man Survives Car Crash Using Kung Fu
March 2, 2016  Juliet Song

[images  
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The crash, clockwise from top left. (via Sina.com)

http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2016/03/02/pasted-image-0-5-580x314.png
Screenshots from footage showing the accident. (via. Sina.com)

http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2016/03/02/pasted-image-0-6-580x311.png

http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2016/03/02/pasted-image-0-7-580x313.png

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http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2016/03/02/pasted-image-0-10.png
Shen’s vehicle sustained more damage than Zhuang. (via Sina.com)
]

In an auto accident that could’ve easily caused mortal or severe injury, a
Chinese man miraculously did a full somersault in the air and landed safely
using martial arts techniques, Yangtse Evening Post reported March 1. The
events took place in the city of Zhenjiang in Jiangsu Province, eastern
China.

The accident happened on Feb. 16, when Mr. Shen, a driver, steered tight to
avoid an electric vehicle making a sudden turn. At the moment, a young
pedestrian, Mr. Zhuang, happened to be passing by and was hit in a collision
that sent him flying through the air in a spinning pattern.

But Zhuang, an athletic young man who has practiced martial arts since he
was a small child, reacted quickly. While airborne, he shot out his hands to
cushion the impact and redirect his body mass.

Shen’s vehicle did not escape without damage. Seeing a large hole in the
windscreen, traffic policeman Hu Xiaofei assumed that the victim must’ve
suffered severe physical damage, he told the Yangtse Evening Post. Instead,
Zhuang sustained no more than a few light flesh wounds.

“The guy is basically unscathed,” Hu said.

Nevertheless, Zhuang’s family still charged Shen, the driver, a small
‘freight fee” to cover medical treatment.
[© theepochtimes.com]



http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore-news/teens-motorised-bicycle-land-car-windscreen-after-crash
Teens on motorised bicycle land on car windscreen after crash
Mar 3, 2016  Mr Denis Koh, chairman of Big Wheel Scooters Singapore, a
community of electric scooter enthusiasts ...
http://www.tnp.sg/sites/default/files/styles/story_big_image/public/articles/2016/03/04/np_20160304_nbcycle04d_1187260.jpg
...
http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/e-bike-accident-was-so-fast-i-thought-it-was-motorcycle
E-bike in accident was so fast that 'I thought it was a motorcycle'
Mar 3, 2016  There was a bang and the two teenage boys on the bicycle
crashed and landed on the  Judging from its speed and how the e-bike in
the accident was moving ...



http://gothamist.com/2016/03/03/gravesend_hit_run.php
Hit-And-Run Driver Knocks Elderly Man Off His Scooter In Brooklyn
MAR 3, 2016  A hit-and-run driver knocked a 70-year-old man off of his
electric scooter in Gravesend Wednesday afternoon, causing critical
injuries. The collision took place at ...
...
http://www.bensonhurstbean.com/2016/03/senior-riding-electric-scooter-seriously-injured-in-hit-and-run/
Senior Riding Electric Scooter Seriously Injured In Hit-And-Run
MAR 3, 2016  The senior was thrown from his motorized scooter into a pile of
debris at the corner of 85th Street and 25th Avenue at approximately 3:45pm,
police said.



http://kfdm.com/news/local/woman-on-scooter-struck-by-driver-in-front-of-central-mall
Woman on electric wheelchair struck by driver in front of Central Mall
MARCH 3RD 2016  PORT ARTHUR — A driver struck a woman on an electric
wheelchair Thursday morning on Highway 365 in front of Central Mall,
according to information ...
...
http://www.12newsnow.com/story/31374709/woman-on-scooter-sent-to-hospital-following-port-arthur-auto-pedestrian-accident
Woman on electric wheelchair, hit by car, sent to hospital in Port Arthur
Mar 03, 2016




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[EVDL] 18yrold.cn unscathed using Kung Fu moves in e-bicycle caused car crash

2016-03-07 Thread brucedp5 via EV 


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1981987-18-year-old-survives-chinese-car-crash-using-kung-fu/
18-Year-Old Chinese Man Survives Car Crash Using Kung Fu
March 2, 2016  Juliet Song

[images  
http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2016/03/02/zhuang_kungfu_carcrash-copy.png
The crash, clockwise from top left. (via Sina.com)

http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2016/03/02/pasted-image-0-5-580x314.png
Screenshots from footage showing the accident. (via. Sina.com)

http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2016/03/02/pasted-image-0-6-580x311.png

http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2016/03/02/pasted-image-0-7-580x313.png

http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2016/03/02/pasted-image-0-9-580x315.png

http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2016/03/02/pasted-image-0-10.png
Shen’s vehicle sustained more damage than Zhuang. (via Sina.com)
]

In an auto accident that could’ve easily caused mortal or severe injury, a
Chinese man miraculously did a full somersault in the air and landed safely
using martial arts techniques, Yangtse Evening Post reported March 1. The
events took place in the city of Zhenjiang in Jiangsu Province, eastern
China.

The accident happened on Feb. 16, when Mr. Shen, a driver, steered tight to
avoid an electric vehicle making a sudden turn. At the moment, a young
pedestrian, Mr. Zhuang, happened to be passing by and was hit in a collision
that sent him flying through the air in a spinning pattern.

But Zhuang, an athletic young man who has practiced martial arts since he
was a small child, reacted quickly. While airborne, he shot out his hands to
cushion the impact and redirect his body mass.

Shen’s vehicle did not escape without damage. Seeing a large hole in the
windscreen, traffic policeman Hu Xiaofei assumed that the victim must’ve
suffered severe physical damage, he told the Yangtse Evening Post. Instead,
Zhuang sustained no more than a few light flesh wounds.

“The guy is basically unscathed,” Hu said.

Nevertheless, Zhuang’s family still charged Shen, the driver, a small
‘freight fee” to cover medical treatment.
[© theepochtimes.com]



http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore-news/teens-motorised-bicycle-land-car-windscreen-after-crash
Teens on motorised bicycle land on car windscreen after crash
Mar 3, 2016  Mr Denis Koh, chairman of Big Wheel Scooters Singapore, a
community of electric scooter enthusiasts ...
http://www.tnp.sg/sites/default/files/styles/story_big_image/public/articles/2016/03/04/np_20160304_nbcycle04d_1187260.jpg
...
http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/e-bike-accident-was-so-fast-i-thought-it-was-motorcycle
E-bike in accident was so fast that 'I thought it was a motorcycle'
Mar 3, 2016  There was a bang and the two teenage boys on the bicycle
crashed and landed on the  Judging from its speed and how the e-bike in
the accident was moving ...



http://gothamist.com/2016/03/03/gravesend_hit_run.php
Hit-And-Run Driver Knocks Elderly Man Off His Scooter In Brooklyn
MAR 3, 2016  A hit-and-run driver knocked a 70-year-old man off of his
electric scooter in Gravesend Wednesday afternoon, causing critical
injuries. The collision took place at ...
...
http://www.bensonhurstbean.com/2016/03/senior-riding-electric-scooter-seriously-injured-in-hit-and-run/
Senior Riding Electric Scooter Seriously Injured In Hit-And-Run
MAR 3, 2016  The senior was thrown from his motorized scooter into a pile of
debris at the corner of 85th Street and 25th Avenue at approximately 3:45pm,
police said.



http://kfdm.com/news/local/woman-on-scooter-struck-by-driver-in-front-of-central-mall
Woman on electric wheelchair struck by driver in front of Central Mall
MARCH 3RD 2016  PORT ARTHUR — A driver struck a woman on an electric
wheelchair Thursday morning on Highway 365 in front of Central Mall,
according to information ...
...
http://www.12newsnow.com/story/31374709/woman-on-scooter-sent-to-hospital-following-port-arthur-auto-pedestrian-accident
Woman on electric wheelchair, hit by car, sent to hospital in Port Arthur
Mar 03, 2016




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[EVDL] EVLN: $8k Calfee Bamboo e-bicycle> aka 'The Car Killer'

2016-03-07 Thread brucedp5 via EV 


http://www.gizmag.com/calfee-design-car-killer-bamboo-e-bike/42084/
Bamboo e-bike is a real Car Killer
February 29, 2016  Ben Coxworth

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The Car Killer (as it's unofficially called) at NAHBS in Sacramento (Credit:
Ben Coxworth/Gizmag)

http://img.gizmag.com/calfee-design-car-killer-bamboo-e-bike-7.jpg?auto=format=Width%2CDPR=max=700=60=700=2ae82fc86e7e802c9d3952d013775ef3

http://www.gizmag.com/calfee-design-car-killer-bamboo-e-bike/42084/pictures
gallery (9 images)
]

Along with its unique rear suspension system, and tandem bikes that can be
converted to singles, Calfee Design is well-known as a builder of bamboo
bikes. One of the company's latest creations is a bamboo e-bike, packed with
enough features that it could quite literally take the place of a car –
hence its nickname, the Car Killer.

The Car Killer's rear hub motor is mounted in a 20-inch fatbike wheel,
protected by a ... The Car Killer has high- and low-beam headlights Two
steel boxes in the back can carry a wide variety of tools, plus there's a
... The Car Killer has a strong-yet-forgiving all-bamboo frame, joined
together by lugs made from a mix ...

Although the specific bike that we saw at the North American Handmade
Bicycle Show is a one-off design concept, a very similar model was built for
a client in San Francisco. He uses that bike on a daily basis, in his job as
a contractor.

As can be seen, the Car Killer has a strong-yet-forgiving all-bamboo frame,
joined together by lugs made from a mix of hemp fiber and epoxy resin.
Pedal-assist power is provided by a 500-watt BionX D Series rear hub motor,
protected by a carbon fiber wheel cover. Users can select the amount of
pedalling assistance, along with checking parameters such as battery life,
via an LCD control module on the handlebars. There's no word on battery
range.

Because it's a "working bike," the Car Killer has plenty of cargo space. The
basket in front is large enough to carry a European-standard beer crate,
while two steel boxes in the back can carry a wide variety of tools. There's
also a shallower cargo compartment between those two boxes, for things like
jackets and work gloves.

Besides its motor, some of the Killer's other electronic features include an
audible alarm that goes off if the bike is moved while parked, high- and
low-beam LED headlights, and dual tail lights. Those lights shut off once
the bike's electrical system is powered down, so there's no chance of
accidentally leaving them on and draining the battery.

If you're thinking that you wouldn't mind a Car Killer of your own, company
founder Craig Calfee tells us that it would probably sell for about
US$8,000.
[© gizmag.com]
...
http://calfeedesign.com
Calfee Design
...
http://www.bicycleretailer.com/north-america/2016/02/28/nahbs-goes-big-sacramento-record-attendance-‘road-plus’-bikes
NAHBS goes big in Sacramento with record attendance, ‘Road Plus’ bikes
February 28, 2016




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[EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread brucedp5 via EV 


http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1100526_how-to-wire-a-new-garage-for-electric-car-charging-what-you-need-to-know
How To Wire A New Garage For Electric-Car Charging: What You Need To Know
Feb 26, 2016  John Voelcker

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Garage

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NEMA 6-50 plug

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NEMA 6-50 socket

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NEMA 6-50 plug in socket

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Circuit-breaker box

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Circuit-breaker box showing 240-Volt circuit for electric-car charging
station
]
  
One of the more daunting perceived obstacles to driving a plug-in electric
car seems to be the need for a home charging station.

While plug-in hybrids can be recharged overnight using their 120-Volt
charging cords, battery-electric drivers should really have access to a
240-Volt Level 2 charging station.

Those will recharge the full battery pack in anything from 4 to 9 hours,
depending on the specific car.

Many owners will want to retrofit a charging station into an existing
garage, but to lay out the principles, we're starting with what it takes to
install one into a garage that's being built or extensively remodeled.

We've just gone through that process for a new garage in New York's Catskill
Mountains. (Note this applies only to North America!)

There are several steps, but it's important to understand that the wiring is
the first step, and separate from the charging station--since drivers may
later choose to upgrade to a more powerful station.

First, work with your contractor and electrician to install a dedicated
240-Volt line to 1 or 2 feet below wherever you plan to locate your charging
station.

We sited ours in a corner of the building so a car can be recharged inside,
or we can run the cord out underneath the garage door or through the regular
door on the side of the building.

Many contractors won't have any prior experience with electric-car charging
stations, so you may have to educate them.

The easiest way to put it in context is that it's the same kind of circuit
used for electric clothes driers or stoves.

Second, make sure your new circuit is capable of 50 Amps, which means a
40-Amp charging rate (using 80 percent of the circuit capacity).

Even if your first charging station is only capable of 24 Amps (as many
less-expensive ones are), you'll want to "future-proof" your garage wiring.

Third, tell the electrician to install a NEMA 6-50 socket--the one used by
most charging stations that aren't hard-wired--in the wall below the chosen
site.

One electrician we spoke to preferred hard-wiring, which eliminates
resistance heat between the plug and socket, but we wanted to allow the
charging station to go with us if we move.

Fourth, once you have your garage wired, THEN select your charging station
and bolt it securely to the wall.

Most people will buy a new one; we were lucky enough to have a used one
given to us by Green Car Reports contributor and electric-car advocate Tom
Moloughney, who was upgrading. (Thanks, Tom!)

There are more than a dozen charging stations on the market today.

They can be bought directly from the makers or found at big-box stores like
Best Buy, Home Depot, or Lowe's--from their websites if not necessarily in
stock at your local outlet.

Things to keep in mind:

 - Look for at least 24 Amps of charging capability; 40 Amps is best, but
more expensive

 - Charging rate should be at least 7.2 kilowatts, which will handle both
Chevy Volts (3.3 or 3.6 kW) and higher-rate cars like Nissan Leafs and BMW
i3s (6.6 and 7.2 kW, respectively)

 - Make sure it has that NEMA 6-50 plug on it!

 - Some charging stations are "dumb," while others come from makers (e.g.
ChargePoint) that offer online connections between your charger and a phone
app and/or online site that will show you instant and cumulative charging
statistics

 - Ensure the cord is long enough to reach a car parked outside the garage.
We'd suggest 16 feet at minimum, and 25 feet is well worth the extra cost
...

Remember: It's no more complex than [installing] an electric clothes drier
[outlet] --and there are millions of those in garages all over North
America.
[© greencarreports.com]
...
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[EVDL] EVLN: 1MW repurposed Leaf li-ion V2G powers Nissan office.fr

2016-03-07 Thread brucedp5 via EV 


http://nissaninsider.co.uk/electric-vehicle-technology-to-power-new-nissan-office/
Electric vehicle technology to power new Nissan office
[20160301]

[image  
http://nissaninsider.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/leaf-1024x727.jpg
leaf
]

NISSAN has announced that its new regional office in France will house the
largest grid-integrated electric vehicle (EV) system and second life battery
storage unit ever installed in a building, anywhere in the world.

As the pioneers of the Nissan LEAF, the world’s best-selling 100% electric
car, today’s announcement is representative of Nissan’s commitment to
pushing its expertise in EV and battery production to the next level. The
company is developing an ecosystem of technologies that work seamlessly
together to create sustainable and efficient solutions for the future.

It also marks an important step in the company’s plans to make its
Intelligent Mobility vision a reality in Europe. The integration of this
technology is a clear demonstration of how cars in the future can be
connected to social infrastructure such as road, information and electric
power networks, and brings to life the vision’s third pillar – Intelligent
Integration.

The new building will feature 100 vehicle-to-grid chargers, from Nissan’s
partner ENEL, allowing Nissan’s range of EVs to plug in and draw down energy
from the grid at off-peak periods with the ability to “sell back” the stored
energy to the grid. It will also feature a 1 MWh energy storage system, from
Nissan’s partner EATON, the battery storage experts, powered by 64 Nissan
LEAF second life EV batteries combined with solar energy generation.

The company hopes to extend this innovative battery technology to other
major Nissan sites and facilities around the world over the next few years.
The systems which will be installed at Nissan’s new French office will serve
as a live test case of what can be achieved when electric cars are used to
their full potential.

Making the announcement at the Geneva Motor Show, Paul Willcox, Chairman,
Nissan Europe, said: “At Nissan, we’re going beyond product. Innovation is
about more than creating something new. It’s about making something better
and finding solutions for the future.

“Nissan’s electric vehicle batteries extend our expertise beyond production
to finding new and innovative ways to store and transfer energy.

“By demonstrating that electric vehicles can play an integral part in the
energy management systems of the future, this project is a watershed moment
on our journey towards a fully electric future.”

By reducing grid dependency and using excess energy stored in EV batteries
in a smart way, Nissan believes today’s announcement will be a game-changer
in the way people and businesses utilise electric vehicle fleets.

The new technology is expected to slash energy costs at the new France
office by reducing drawdown of energy during peak periods in favour of
off-peak tariffs. The new energy management system will also decrease the
amount of contracted power consumed from the local electricity supplier.

“Nissan has always been at the frontier of electric vehicle technology and
we’re excited to be using our expertise to adopt a more sustainable approach
to powering our business,” added Willcox.

Nissan announced plans to create a viable long-term solution to
environmental protection in relation to energy use and storage at the COP21
climate conference in Paris last year. This included a partnership between
Nissan and EATON on giving electric vehicle batteries a second life as
stationary energy storage units and a partnership with ENEL on
vehicle-to-grid integration. Grid integration trials have already begun in
Denmark.
[© nissaninsider.co.uk  2016 Nissan Insider]



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Nissan powers French office with world's largest EV battery storage system
1 March 2016  Japanese car manufacturer Nissan will power its regional
office in France with energy generated from its electric vehicles, by
deploying the world's largest grid-integrated battery storage unit in a
building ... 

Italian energy supplier Enel will supply the Nissan with 100 vehicle-to-grid
chagers, allowing the carmaker's range of EV's to plug in and draw down
energy from the grid at off-peak periods, with the ability to sell back the
stored energy to the grid. 

The new energy storage system - discribed by Nissan as a potential
"game-changer" - will also feature a 1MW energy storage system, managed by
battery storage firm Eaton, which will be powered by 64 Nissan LEAF second
life EV batteries combined with solar energy generation.
[© edie.net]



http://gas2.org/2016/03/02/snt-focus-second-use-ev-batteries/
SNT Focus Is On Second Use For EV Batteries
March 2nd, 2016  Every new technology creates new business opportunities.
Now that there are more EVs on the road, there are more EV batteries that
need to be reprocessed, ...




For

[EVDL] EVLN: $15k surcharge tax.my on Joe's $400k used 2014 Tesla-S EV

2016-03-07 Thread brucedp5 via EV 


'They were afraid I would charge the car in a public place'
'He had to pledge/guarantee to only recharge his EV at his home'

https://vulcanpost.com/542341/guy-legal-person-drive-tesla-spore-went-lot/
This Guy Is The Only Legal Person To Drive A Tesla In S'pore, And He Went
Through A Lot For It
[20160301]  Jacky Yap

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PM Lee getting a tour of the Tesla Factory, where Tesla cars are built from
scratch.
PM: “It is a huge space — 500,000 sq m, depending more on robots than
workers.”
Image Credit: Facebook

http://az598155.vo.msecnd.net/wp-uploads/2016/03/genimage.jpg
(VICOM)

http://az598155.vo.msecnd.net/wp-uploads/2016/03/tesla-model-s-interior.jpg
Image Credit: Stuff Singapore


shares
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Charged Hong Kong
February 13
First and only Tesla Model S in Singapore
Photo credits: Siti Hazmima

https://www.facebook.com/vulcanpost/posts/801449826665575
We would have thought the electric car industry in Singapore is a lot more
progressive than this?
http://az598155.vo.msecnd.net/wp-uploads/2016/03/Screen-Shot-2016-03-02-at-1.41.48-pm.png
This Guy Is The Only Legal Person To Drive A Tesla In S'pore, And He Went
Through A Lot For It
"They were afraid I would charge the car in a public place." ...
]

Tesla is probably one of the sexiest automobile brand right now, at least in
this part of the world where the brand is not available yet. In his recent
tour to San Francisco, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong also spent some time
visiting Tesla.

With its popularity, one would expect to see Tesla on the roads of
Singapore, especially since Tesla is equipped with smart driving system, and
is an electric car which produces zero emissions – in line with Singapore’s
Smart Nation initiative as well as green city aspiration.

In a recent article published on Stuff Singapore, the team spoke to an
IT-professional Joe Nguyen, who managed to get a Tesla Model S licensed to
be on the roads of Singapore. But that was without all the red tape and long
approval process he had to go through first. How long? Seven long months.

How It All Began
According to the article on Stuff, Joe purchased the 2014 model S from Hong
Kong more than a year back ...

Once he managed to buy the car, he shipped it back to Singapore, and paid
the necessary customs duties on it.

However, Joe revealed to Stuff Singapore that that was the easy part. The
tough part followed where he had to deal with the Land Transport Authority
(LTA) for the necessary approvals so that he can drive his Tesla S in
Singapore. “The first few weeks, the car just sat in a warehouse gathering
dust while the LTA asked me for lots of paperwork,” Joe told Stuff
Singapore.

Paperworks from LTA to EMA to VICOM
What started from the paperworks requirement from LTA soon saw Joe providing
various paperwork requests such as emissions, certificate of conformity,
vehicle specs and more. After the paperworks, LTA then required Joe to check
in with the Energy Market Authority (EMA), since Tesla is an electric car
and EMA is the agency in charge of the energy sector in Singapore.

”I was told to call them (EMA) so I called them and they thought that I was
an importer. And I said, “No, I’m just a normal individual importing a car,”
Joe told Stuff Singapore.

Shortly after that, there were no news from EMA, and Joe was then referred
by LTA to VICOM in order to get his Tesla tested for emissions. VICOM is a
subsidiary of ComfortDelGro Corporation Limited, and is in charge of
technical testing and inspection services for vehicles in Singapore.

However, the whole inspection process with VICOM took a few months as the
checking was put on hold.

According to its website, VICOM, a publicly listed on Singapore’s stock
exchange since 1995, claims to be the first in the world to employ a
computerised and integrated vehicle inspection system more than 25 years
ago. Over 300,000 vehicle checks are conducted at their centres annually.

“I figured they had a process for electric cars because there are actual
electric cars in Singapore, there’s the Nissan Leaf, RND cars, there’s
Mitsubishi electric cars. But since my Tesla was not brand new, it had to go
to VICOM and they admitted that they had never tested an electric car before
so they did not know how to proceed,” Joe told Stuff Singapore.

Since a testing on Tesla has never been done before, LTA and VICOM then did
a discharge test to see how much electricity the car consumes and needed Joe
to sign a declaration that he will only be charging his Tesla at home.

“They were afraid I would charge the car in a public place,” Joe told Stuff
Singapore.

Only Legal Tesla Car In Singapore
The whole process from shipping his car into Singapore, getting the
approval, checking the emission requirements, and finally signing a
declaration, took seven months, and Joe is now probably

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread dovepa via EV 
-50 socket--the one used
by
most charging stations that aren't hard-wired--in the wall below the
chosen
site.

One electrician we spoke to preferred hard-wiring, which eliminates
resistance heat between the plug and socket, but we wanted to allow the
charging station to go with us if we move.

Fourth, once you have your garage wired, THEN select your charging
station
and bolt it securely to the wall.

Most people will buy a new one; we were lucky enough to have a used one
given to us by Green Car Reports contributor and electric-car advocate
Tom
Moloughney, who was upgrading. (Thanks, Tom!)

There are more than a dozen charging stations on the market today.

They can be bought directly from the makers or found at big-box stores
like
Best Buy, Home Depot, or Lowe's--from their websites if not necessarily
in
stock at your local outlet.

Things to keep in mind:

 - Look for at least 24 Amps of charging capability; 40 Amps is best,
but
more expensive

 - Charging rate should be at least 7.2 kilowatts, which will handle
both
Chevy Volts (3.3 or 3.6 kW) and higher-rate cars like Nissan Leafs and
BMW
i3s (6.6 and 7.2 kW, respectively)

 - Make sure it has that NEMA 6-50 plug on it!

 - Some charging stations are "dumb," while others come from makers
(e.g.
ChargePoint) that offer online connections between your charger and a
phone
app and/or online site that will show you instant and cumulative
charging
statistics

 - Ensure the cord is long enough to reach a car parked outside the
garage.
We'd suggest 16 feet at minimum, and 25 feet is well worth the extra
cost
...

Remember: It's no more complex than [installing] an electric clothes
drier
[outlet] --and there are millions of those in garages all over North
America.
[(c) greencarreports.com]
...
http://venturebeat.com/2016/02/28/how-to-wire-your-garage-for-electric-c
ar-charging-what-you-need-to-know/
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV 
On 7 Mar 2016 at 9:07, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote:

> The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as the
> current capacity is sufficient.

I may be remembering wrong, but I think that adding a cord and plug to a 
device approved for direct connection and not for temporary installation is 
a code violation.  Not that you're likely to get in trouble, but still ...

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Peter C. Thompson via EV 

To add to this conversation, here are some commercial chargers:

Clipper Creek LCS-20P - uses 14-30 plug. LCS-25P also uses 14-30. The 
HCS-40P uses the 6-50.

GE  EVWSWBC-CP01 uses the 6-50 plug.
AeroVironment EV station (7kw) uses the 6-40 plug.
Juicebox 40A uses the 14-50 plug.
AeroVironment Turbocord uses the 6-20.
Levitron EVB40-PST uses the 6-50.
Nissan Leaf charger uses 6-50R.
EV Power Pros 7kw uses 6-50.

The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as the 
current capacity is sufficient.


So I think it depends on the amount of current you are going to pull. 
Lower current seems to use the 14-30 and higher current uses the 6-50.


Cheers, Peter

P.S.  sorry for the HTML earlier.

On 3/7/16 5:27 AM, dovepa via EV wrote:

That is interesting because I purchased a Siemens VersiCharge Gen 2 30 Amp 
charger and it had a NE MA 6-50 plug on the end.

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You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE
Sorry, but I think this is bad advice.
NEMA 6-50 is not the most common plug. The NEMA 14-50 (RV plug) is by
far the most useful plug, found in every camping and RV spot, it is used
for stove or other appliance connection in newer homes (old homes had
10-50 or 10-30 for stove and dryer respectively) so I do not know why
6-50 is recommended in this article? Are there other areas than what I
am aware of
where NEMA 6-50 is common? I could not find them and Wikipedia says of
the
NEMA 6: "The higher-current versions are rare..."
I am only aware of somewhat common use of the NEMA 6-20 which is the 20A
version that looks like the usual NEMA 5 outlet and plug, but then used
on window ACs that run on 240V instead of 120V.

I would *definitely* recommend to mount a 14-30 or 14-50 where you want
to plug in the charger, since that is also useful for the common
appliances such as a dryer and you can even plug in an RV.
Conversely, if you mount a 14-50 plug on your charger and carry it, you
can plug in at any campground or other RV facility.

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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1100526_how-to-wire-a-new-garage-for
-electric-car-charging-what-you-need-to-know
How To Wire A New Garage For Electric-Car Charging: What You Need To
Know
Feb 26, 2016  John Voelcker

[images
http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/garage_100546966_l.jpg
Garage

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-plug_100546965_l.jpg
NEMA 6-50 plug

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-socket_100546964_l.jpg
NEMA 6-50 socket

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-plug-in-socket_100546961_l.jpg
NEMA 6-50 plug in socket

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/circuit-breaker-box_100546962_l.jpg
Circuit-breaker box

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/circuit-breaker-box-showing-240-volt-circ
uit-for-electric-car-charging-station_100546963_l.jpg
Circuit-breaker box showing 240-Volt circuit for electric-car charging
station
]
   
One of the more daunting perceived obstacles to driving a plug-in

electric
car seems to be the need for a home charging station.

While plug-in hybrids can be recharged overnight using their 120-Volt
charging cords, battery-electric drivers should really have access to a
240-Volt Level 2 charging station.

Those will recharge the full battery pack in anything from 4 to 9 hours,
depending on the specific car.

Many owners will want to retrofit a charging station into an existing
garage, but to lay out the principles, we're starting with what it takes
to
install one into a garage that's being built or extensively remodeled.

We've just gone through that process for a new garage in New York's
Catskill
Mountains. (Note this applies only to North America!)

There are several steps, but it's important to understand that the
wiring is
the first step, and separate from the charging station--since drivers
may
later choose to upgrade to a more powerful station.

First, work with your contractor and electrician to install a dedicated
240-Volt line to 1 or 2 feet below wherever you plan to locate your
charging
station.

We sited ours in a corner of the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
Thanks Peter, for the overview of what plugs the EVSE are supplied with. My 
issue is that you want to be able to plug the charger into a matching wall 
outlet and by my experience the 14-30 and 14-50 are the most common outlets so 
I do not understand why so many chargers have a 6-50 plug even though it is 
simple to cut it off and mount a 14-50 on the cord, it still does not make 
sense to expect people to install a 6-50 where they most likely already have a 
14-50 and you encounter the 14-50 when you are out and about as RV outlet. 
Cor

> On Mar 7, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Peter C. Thompson via EV  
> wrote:
> 
> To add to this conversation, here are some commercial chargers:
> 
> Clipper Creek LCS-20P - uses 14-30 plug. LCS-25P also uses 14-30. The HCS-40P 
> uses the 6-50.
> GE  EVWSWBC-CP01 uses the 6-50 plug.
> AeroVironment EV station (7kw) uses the 6-40 plug.
> Juicebox 40A uses the 14-50 plug.
> AeroVironment Turbocord uses the 6-20.
> Levitron EVB40-PST uses the 6-50.
> Nissan Leaf charger uses 6-50R.
> EV Power Pros 7kw uses 6-50.
> 
> The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as the 
> current capacity is sufficient.
> 
> So I think it depends on the amount of current you are going to pull. Lower 
> current seems to use the 14-30 and higher current uses the 6-50.
> 
> Cheers, Peter
> 
> P.S.  sorry for the HTML earlier.
> 
>> On 3/7/16 5:27 AM, dovepa via EV wrote:
>> That is interesting because I purchased a Siemens VersiCharge Gen 2 30 Amp 
>> charger and it had a NE MA 6-50 plug on the end.
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message 
>> From: Cor van de Water via EV  Date: 3/7/2016  
>> 3:18 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
>>  Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire 
>> A Garage EVSE
>> Sorry, but I think this is bad advice.
>> NEMA 6-50 is not the most common plug. The NEMA 14-50 (RV plug) is by
>> far the most useful plug, found in every camping and RV spot, it is used
>> for stove or other appliance connection in newer homes (old homes had
>> 10-50 or 10-30 for stove and dryer respectively) so I do not know why
>> 6-50 is recommended in this article? Are there other areas than what I
>> am aware of
>> where NEMA 6-50 is common? I could not find them and Wikipedia says of
>> the
>> NEMA 6: "The higher-current versions are rare..."
>> I am only aware of somewhat common use of the NEMA 6-20 which is the 20A
>> version that looks like the usual NEMA 5 outlet and plug, but then used
>> on window ACs that run on 240V instead of 120V.
>> 
>> I would *definitely* recommend to mount a 14-30 or 14-50 where you want
>> to plug in the charger, since that is also useful for the common
>> appliances such as a dryer and you can even plug in an RV.
>> Conversely, if you mount a 14-50 plug on your charger and carry it, you
>> can plug in at any campground or other RV facility.
>> 
>> Cor van de Water
>> Chief Scientist
>> Proxim Wireless
>>   office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water
>> XoIP   +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info
>> 
>> http://www.proxim.com
>> 
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>> proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation.  If you received
>> this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender.  Any
>> unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of
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>> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV
>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 12:16 AM
>> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
>> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1100526_how-to-wire-a-new-garage-for
>> -electric-car-charging-what-you-need-to-know
>> How To Wire A New Garage For Electric-Car Charging: What You Need To
>> Know
>> Feb 26, 2016  John Voelcker
>> 
>> [images
>> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/garage_100546966_l.jpg
>> Garage
>> 
>> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-plug_100546965_l.jpg
>> NEMA 6-50 plug
>> 
>> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-socket_100546964_l.jpg
>> NEMA 6-50 socket
>> 
>> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-plug-in-socket_100546961_l.jpg
>> NEMA 6-50 plug in socket
>> 
>> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/circuit-breaker-box_100546962_l.jpg
>> Circuit-breaker box
>> 
>> http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/circuit-breaker-box-showing-240-volt-circ
>> uit-for-electric-car-charging-station_100546963_l.jpg
>> Circuit-breaker box showing 240-Volt circuit for electric-car charging
>> station
>> ]
>>   One of the more daunting perceived obstacles to driving a plug-in
>> electric
>> car seems to be the need for a home charging station.
>> 
>> While plug-in hybrids can be recharged overnight using their 120-Volt
>> charging cords, battery-electric drivers

Re: [EVDL] Rudman MK II regulator PCBs

2016-03-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV 
On 7 Mar 2016 at 6:33, dovepa via EV wrote:

> http://www.evsource.com/tls_MK3.php
> These people appear to still sell them

Mark 3 != Mark 2, not even for very low values of Mark 3.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Peter C. Thompson via EV 

On 3/7/16 10:01 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:

On 7 Mar 2016 at 9:07, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote:


The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as the
current capacity is sufficient.

I may be remembering wrong, but I think that adding a cord and plug to a
device approved for direct connection and not for temporary installation is
a code violation.  Not that you're likely to get in trouble, but still ...

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator


Hi David,

It is not a violation if the manufacturer allows you to do so.  If they 
don't specifically mention using a plug, then yes, that would be a 
violation.  And I agree, you are not likely to get into trouble, just 
need to be aware.


Oh, and it likely will void any UL guarantees.

Cheers, Peter
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV 
On 7 Mar 2016 at 10:33, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote:

> it likely will void any UL guarantees.

You would know more than I about UL guarantees -- I had no idea such a thing 
existed -- but I suppose that adding a cord and plug to a device meant to be 
directly wired would affect its UL certification.  

It would also contradict the manufacturer's installation instructions, and 
that's an NEC violation right there.

Again, though, the chance of any real consequences from this is pretty 
small.  And as far as ignoring installation directions, does anybody you 
know actually torque the terminal screws to the device manufacturer's 
specifcations?  :-\

Nor do I see much hazard in adding a cord and plug.  One big caution though -
- make sure your cord is properly protected with a strain relief where it 
exits the charger (EVSE, whatever).  

As an aside, a few years ago, I saw an "installation" where some yahoo had 
connected zip cord to a light fixture, drywall-screwed the fixture to the 
house wall with the cord jammed under its canopy, and plugged the cord into 
a receptacle.  (At least he used a plug, instead of running the cord under 
the receptacle's faceplate.)  When I removed the fixture, I found that the 
edge of the canopy had cut into the wire over the years it had been there.  
Good thing it was touching copper only on the neutral side!

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV 

> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator
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> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 12:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE
>
> On 7 Mar 2016 at 10:33, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote:
>
> > it likely will void any UL guarantees.
>
> You would know more than I about UL guarantees -- I had no idea such a thing
existed --
> but I suppose that adding a cord and plug to a device meant to be directly
wired would
> affect its UL certification.
>
> It would also contradict the manufacturer's installation instructions, and
that's an NEC
> violation right there.
>

Hi all,

I interested in this idea of 'violations' -

Home Depot/Lowes/Ace Hardware/and many other hardware/electrical stores sell
replacement cords for appliances, where you, the homeowner can replace a cord
with a new one. Does that void the UL guarantee and NEC (if there is one)
guarantee?

If it does, that means that those hardware stores are knowingly selling a
product, that if used will void guarantee's. Is that correct?

Or is this just conjecture?

Rush Dougherty
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Thos True via EV 
he more daunting perceived obstacles to driving a plug-in
>> electric
>> car seems to be the need for a home charging station.
>>
>> While plug-in hybrids can be recharged overnight using their 120-Volt
>> charging cords, battery-electric drivers should really have access to a
>> 240-Volt Level 2 charging station.
>>
>> Those will recharge the full battery pack in anything from 4 to 9 hours,
>> depending on the specific car.
>>
>> Many owners will want to retrofit a charging station into an existing
>> garage, but to lay out the principles, we're starting with what it takes
>> to
>> install one into a garage that's being built or extensively remodeled.
>>
>> We've just gone through that process for a new garage in New York's
>> Catskill
>> Mountains. (Note this applies only to North America!)
>>
>> There are several steps, but it's important to understand that the
>> wiring is
>> the first step, and separate from the charging station--since drivers
>> may
>> later choose to upgrade to a more powerful station.
>>
>> First, work with your contractor and electrician to install a dedicated
>> 240-Volt line to 1 or 2 feet below wherever you plan to locate your
>> charging
>> station.
>>
>> We sited ours in a corner of the building so a car can be recharged
>> inside,
>> or we can run the cord out underneath the garage door or through the
>> regular
>> door on the side of the building.
>>
>> Many contractors won't have any prior experience with electric-car
>> charging
>> stations, so you may have to educate them.
>>
>> The easiest way to put it in context is that it's the same kind of
>> circuit
>> used for electric clothes driers or stoves.
>>
>> Second, make sure your new circuit is capable of 50 Amps, which means a
>> 40-Amp charging rate (using 80 percent of the circuit capacity).
>>
>> Even if your first charging station is only capable of 24 Amps (as many
>> less-expensive ones are), you'll want to "future-proof" your garage
>> wiring.
>>
>> Third, tell the electrician to install a NEMA 6-50 socket--the one used
>> by
>> most charging stations that aren't hard-wired--in the wall below the
>> chosen
>> site.
>>
>> One electrician we spoke to preferred hard-wiring, which eliminates
>> resistance heat between the plug and socket, but we wanted to allow the
>> charging station to go with us if we move.
>>
>> Fourth, once you have your garage wired, THEN select your charging
>> station
>> and bolt it securely to the wall.
>>
>> Most people will buy a new one; we were lucky enough to have a used one
>> given to us by Green Car Reports contributor and electric-car advocate
>> Tom
>> Moloughney, who was upgrading. (Thanks, Tom!)
>>
>> There are more than a dozen charging stations on the market today.
>>
>> They can be bought directly from the makers or found at big-box stores
>> like
>> Best Buy, Home Depot, or Lowe's--from their websites if not necessarily
>> in
>> stock at your local outlet.
>>
>> Things to keep in mind:
>>
>>   - Look for at least 24 Amps of charging capability; 40 Amps is best,
>> but
>> more expensive
>>
>>   - Charging rate should be at least 7.2 kilowatts, which will handle
>> both
>> Chevy Volts (3.3 or 3.6 kW) and higher-rate cars like Nissan Leafs and
>> BMW
>> i3s (6.6 and 7.2 kW, respectively)
>>
>>   - Make sure it has that NEMA 6-50 plug on it!
>>
>>   - Some charging stations are "dumb," while others come from makers
>> (e.g.
>> ChargePoint) that offer online connections between your charger and a
>> phone
>> app and/or online site that will show you instant and cumulative
>> charging
>> statistics
>>
>>   - Ensure the cord is long enough to reach a car parked outside the
>> garage.
>> We'd suggest 16 feet at minimum, and 25 feet is well worth the extra
>> cost
>> ...
>>
>> Remember: It's no more complex than [installing] an electric clothes
>> drier
>> [outlet] --and there are millions of those in garages all over North
>> America.
>> [(c) greencarreports.com]
>> ...
>> http://venturebeat.com/2016/02/28/how-to-wire-your-garage-for-electric-c
>> ar-charging-what-you-need-to-know/
>> How to wire your garage for electric-car charging: what you need to know
>> FEBRUARY 28, 2016
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Thos True via EV 
Peter,

I believe that the units that are cited have factory installed cord ends.
Installing a cord cap on a device approved for direct connection can be
argued as a safety feature (means for emergency disconnection), though it
may be a tough sell.

-Tom

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> On 7 Mar 2016 at 9:07, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote:
>
> > The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as the
> > current capacity is sufficient.
>
> I may be remembering wrong, but I think that adding a cord and plug to a
> device approved for direct connection and not for temporary installation is
> a code violation.  Not that you're likely to get in trouble, but still ...
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
I have never heard of UL guarantee, all I have seen is UL Certification
which is the declaration by the private company UL that they took your
product and documentation and even production method, and tested it to
guarantee that it meets certain spec and safety standards.
The product is then said to be UL Listed.
If you modify the product or its production method, then it no longer
satisfies the original tests that UL did and that is one of the reasons
that UL will inspect products and the factory where they are made, to
verify that they still meet the original specs and still deserve to be
UL Listed.

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On 3/7/16 10:01 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
> On 7 Mar 2016 at 9:07, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote:
>
>> The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as
the
>> current capacity is sufficient.
> I may be remembering wrong, but I think that adding a cord and plug to
a
> device approved for direct connection and not for temporary
installation is
> a code violation.  Not that you're likely to get in trouble, but still
...
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator
>
Hi David,

It is not a violation if the manufacturer allows you to do so.  If they 
don't specifically mention using a plug, then yes, that would be a 
violation.  And I agree, you are not likely to get into trouble, just 
need to be aware.

Oh, and it likely will void any UL guarantees.

Cheers, Peter
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Re: [EVDL] Rudman MK2 pic

2016-03-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV 

David Chapman via EV wrote:

Here is a link to the pic that didnt upload, thanks David R.!
rudman mk2 regboardhttp://postimg.org/image/g1e2uxah3/


I have exactly this board assembled. If someone wants to assemble your 
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could make a parts list and/or schematic, but that's a lot more work.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
Hi Peter,
Thanks for the clarification - I too consider installing a NEMA 14 in my
garage. For the 2nd clothes dryer, of course ;-)

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Hi Cor,

I didn't claim that it made any sense.  :)  I agree that having the 
14-50 plug in the garage makes a lot of sense (which is what I have - 
for welding, of course).

Cheers, Peter

On 3/7/16 10:05 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> Thanks Peter, for the overview of what plugs the EVSE are supplied
with. My issue is that you want to be able to plug the charger into a
matching wall outlet and by my experience the 14-30 and 14-50 are the
most common outlets so I do not understand why so many chargers have a
6-50 plug even though it is simple to cut it off and mount a 14-50 on
the cord, it still does not make sense to expect people to install a
6-50 where they most likely already have a 14-50 and you encounter the
14-50 when you are out and about as RV outlet.
> Cor
>
>> On Mar 7, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Peter C. Thompson via EV
 wrote:
>>
>> To add to this conversation, here are some commercial chargers:
>>
>> Clipper Creek LCS-20P - uses 14-30 plug. LCS-25P also uses 14-30. The
HCS-40P uses the 6-50.
>> GE  EVWSWBC-CP01 uses the 6-50 plug.
>> AeroVironment EV station (7kw) uses the 6-40 plug.
>> Juicebox 40A uses the 14-50 plug.
>> AeroVironment Turbocord uses the 6-20.
>> Levitron EVB40-PST uses the 6-50.
>> Nissan Leaf charger uses 6-50R.
>> EV Power Pros 7kw uses 6-50.
>>
>> The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as
the current capacity is sufficient.
>>
>> So I think it depends on the amount of current you are going to pull.
Lower current seems to use the 14-30 and higher current uses the 6-50.
>>
>> Cheers, Peter
>>
>> P.S.  sorry for the HTML earlier.
>>
>>> On 3/7/16 5:27 AM, dovepa via EV wrote:
>>> That is interesting because I purchased a Siemens VersiCharge Gen 2
30 Amp charger and it had a NE MA 6-50 plug on the end.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original
message From: Cor van de Water via EV  Date:
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>>> Sorry, but I think this is bad advice.
>>> NEMA 6-50 is not the most common plug. The NEMA 14-50 (RV plug) is
by
>>> far the most useful plug, found in every camping and RV spot, it is
used
>>> for stove or other appliance connection in newer homes (old homes
had
>>> 10-50 or 10-30 for stove and dryer respectively) so I do not know
why
>>> 6-50 is recommended in this article? Are there other areas than what
I
>>> am aware of
>>> where NEMA 6-50 is common? I could not find them and Wikipedia says
of
>>> the
>>> NEMA 6: "The higher-current versions are rare..."
>>> I am only aware of somewhat common use of the NEMA 6-20 which is the
20A
>>> version that looks like the usual NEMA 5 outlet and plug, but then
used
>>> on window ACs that run on 240V instead of 120V.
>>>
>>> I would *definitely* recommend to mount a 14-30 or 14-50 where you
want
>>> to plug in the charger, since that is also useful for the common
>>> appliances such as a dryer and you can even plug in an RV.
>>> Conversely, if you mount a 14-50 plug on your charger and carry it,
you
>>> can plug in at any campground or other RV facility.
>>>
>>> Cor van de Water
>>> Chief Scientist
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Bill Woodcock via EV 

Heck, stores knowingly sell things that can basically only be used to kill 
people. I don't think anybody's going to complain about Home Depot selling a 
few cord sets. 

-Bill


> On Mar 7, 2016, at 21:30, Rush Dougherty via EV  wrote:
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator
> via EV
>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 12:06 PM
>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE
>> 
>>> On 7 Mar 2016 at 10:33, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote:
>>> 
>>> it likely will void any UL guarantees.
>> 
>> You would know more than I about UL guarantees -- I had no idea such a thing
> existed --
>> but I suppose that adding a cord and plug to a device meant to be directly
> wired would
>> affect its UL certification.
>> 
>> It would also contradict the manufacturer's installation instructions, and
> that's an NEC
>> violation right there.
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I interested in this idea of 'violations' -
> 
> Home Depot/Lowes/Ace Hardware/and many other hardware/electrical stores sell
> replacement cords for appliances, where you, the homeowner can replace a cord
> with a new one. Does that void the UL guarantee and NEC (if there is one)
> guarantee?
> 
> If it does, that means that those hardware stores are knowingly selling a
> product, that if used will void guarantee's. Is that correct?
> 
> Or is this just conjecture?
> 
> Rush Dougherty
> Tucson AZ 85719
> 
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Chris Meier via EV 
gt; While plug-in hybrids can be recharged overnight using their 120-Volt
>> charging cords, battery-electric drivers should really have access to
>a
>> 240-Volt Level 2 charging station.
>>
>> Those will recharge the full battery pack in anything from 4 to 9
>hours,
>> depending on the specific car.
>>
>> Many owners will want to retrofit a charging station into an existing
>> garage, but to lay out the principles, we're starting with what it
>takes
>> to
>> install one into a garage that's being built or extensively
>remodeled.
>>
>> We've just gone through that process for a new garage in New York's
>> Catskill
>> Mountains. (Note this applies only to North America!)
>>
>> There are several steps, but it's important to understand that the
>> wiring is
>> the first step, and separate from the charging station--since drivers
>> may
>> later choose to upgrade to a more powerful station.
>>
>> First, work with your contractor and electrician to install a
>dedicated
>> 240-Volt line to 1 or 2 feet below wherever you plan to locate your
>> charging
>> station.
>>
>> We sited ours in a corner of the building so a car can be recharged
>> inside,
>> or we can run the cord out underneath the garage door or through the
>> regular
>> door on the side of the building.
>>
>> Many contractors won't have any prior experience with electric-car
>> charging
>> stations, so you may have to educate them.
>>
>> The easiest way to put it in context is that it's the same kind of
>> circuit
>> used for electric clothes driers or stoves.
>>
>> Second, make sure your new circuit is capable of 50 Amps, which means
>a
>> 40-Amp charging rate (using 80 percent of the circuit capacity).
>>
>> Even if your first charging station is only capable of 24 Amps (as
>many
>> less-expensive ones are), you'll want to "future-proof" your garage
>> wiring.
>>
>> Third, tell the electrician to install a NEMA 6-50 socket--the one
>used
>> by
>> most charging stations that aren't hard-wired--in the wall below the
>> chosen
>> site.
>>
>> One electrician we spoke to preferred hard-wiring, which eliminates
>> resistance heat between the plug and socket, but we wanted to allow
>the
>> charging station to go with us if we move.
>>
>> Fourth, once you have your garage wired, THEN select your charging
>> station
>> and bolt it securely to the wall.
>>
>> Most people will buy a new one; we were lucky enough to have a used
>one
>> given to us by Green Car Reports contributor and electric-car
>advocate
>> Tom
>> Moloughney, who was upgrading. (Thanks, Tom!)
>>
>> There are more than a dozen charging stations on the market today.
>>
>> They can be bought directly from the makers or found at big-box
>stores
>> like
>> Best Buy, Home Depot, or Lowe's--from their websites if not
>necessarily
>> in
>> stock at your local outlet.
>>
>> Things to keep in mind:
>>
>>   - Look for at least 24 Amps of charging capability; 40 Amps is
>best,
>> but
>> more expensive
>>
>>   - Charging rate should be at least 7.2 kilowatts, which will handle
>> both
>> Chevy Volts (3.3 or 3.6 kW) and higher-rate cars like Nissan Leafs
>and
>> BMW
>> i3s (6.6 and 7.2 kW, respectively)
>>
>>   - Make sure it has that NEMA 6-50 plug on it!
>>
>>   - Some charging stations are "dumb," while others come from makers
>> (e.g.
>> ChargePoint) that offer online connections between your charger and a
>> phone
>> app and/or online site that will show you instant and cumulative
>> charging
>> statistics
>>
>>   - Ensure the cord is long enough to reach a car parked outside the
>> garage.
>> We'd suggest 16 feet at minimum, and 25 feet is well worth the extra
>> cost
>> ...
>>
>> Remember: It's no more complex than [installing] an electric clothes
>> drier
>> [outlet] --and there are millions of those in garages all over North
>> America.
>> [(c) greencarreports.com]
>> ...
>>
>http://venturebeat.com/2016/02/28/how-to-wire-your-garage-for-electric-c
>> ar-charging-what-you-need-to-know/
>> How to wire your garage for electric-car charging: what you need to
>know
>> FEBRUARY 28, 2016
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [EVDL] What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Jan Steinman via EV 
> From: EVDL Administrator via EV 
> 
> Nor do I see much hazard in adding a cord and plug.

Y’mean like the cord and plug I wired to go into the dryer outlet… with a 15 kW 
generator on the other end? :-)

I am careful to follow a certain sequence that begins with throwing the main 
breaker and genset breaker, then plugging the plug into the dryer outlet and 
the genset BEFORE turning on the genset breaker.

That does make it hard to know when the power comes back on, though. Gotta keep 
an eye on the neighbour’s lights. I’ve thought about sticking a little NE-2 
bulb or Sonalert on the utility side of the main breaker, but haven’t worked up 
the nerve yet.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Peter C. Thompson via EV 
I may have been the one to mistakenly say guarantee - you are correct in 
that it is certification.


Cheers, Peter

On 3/7/16 2:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

I have never heard of UL guarantee, all I have seen is UL Certification
which is the declaration by the private company UL that they took your
product and documentation and even production method, and tested it to
guarantee that it meets certain spec and safety standards.
The product is then said to be UL Listed.
If you modify the product or its production method, then it no longer
satisfies the original tests that UL did and that is one of the reasons
that UL will inspect products and the factory where they are made, to
verify that they still meet the original specs and still deserve to be
UL Listed.

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On 3/7/16 10:01 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:

On 7 Mar 2016 at 9:07, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote:


The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as

the

current capacity is sufficient.

I may be remembering wrong, but I think that adding a cord and plug to

a

device approved for direct connection and not for temporary

installation is

a code violation.  Not that you're likely to get in trouble, but still

...

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator


Hi David,

It is not a violation if the manufacturer allows you to do so.  If they
don't specifically mention using a plug, then yes, that would be a
violation.  And I agree, you are not likely to get into trouble, just
need to be aware.

Oh, and it likely will void any UL guarantees.

Cheers, Peter
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[EVDL] article: Nissan Leaf Batteries Upgrade Old Truck Conversion

2016-03-07 Thread Paul Wujek via EV 

http://hackaday.com/2016/03/05/nissan-leaf-batteries-upgrade-old-truck-conversion/

also a different conversion from the comments to that article: 
http://www.wolftronix.com/E10_LithiumUpgrade/index.html

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
tions between your charger and a
>> phone
>> app and/or online site that will show you instant and cumulative
>> charging
>> statistics
>>
>>   - Ensure the cord is long enough to reach a car parked outside the
>> garage.
>> We'd suggest 16 feet at minimum, and 25 feet is well worth the extra
>> cost
>> ...
>>
>> Remember: It's no more complex than [installing] an electric clothes
>> drier
>> [outlet] --and there are millions of those in garages all over North
>> America.
>> [(c) greencarreports.com]
>> ...
>>
http://venturebeat.com/2016/02/28/how-to-wire-your-garage-for-electric-c
>> ar-charging-what-you-need-to-know/
>> How to wire your garage for electric-car charging: what you need to
know
>> FEBRUARY 28, 2016
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Peter C. Thompson via EV 

Hi Cor,

I didn't claim that it made any sense.  :)  I agree that having the 
14-50 plug in the garage makes a lot of sense (which is what I have - 
for welding, of course).


Cheers, Peter

On 3/7/16 10:05 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

Thanks Peter, for the overview of what plugs the EVSE are supplied with. My 
issue is that you want to be able to plug the charger into a matching wall 
outlet and by my experience the 14-30 and 14-50 are the most common outlets so 
I do not understand why so many chargers have a 6-50 plug even though it is 
simple to cut it off and mount a 14-50 on the cord, it still does not make 
sense to expect people to install a 6-50 where they most likely already have a 
14-50 and you encounter the 14-50 when you are out and about as RV outlet.
Cor


On Mar 7, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Peter C. Thompson via EV  wrote:

To add to this conversation, here are some commercial chargers:

Clipper Creek LCS-20P - uses 14-30 plug. LCS-25P also uses 14-30. The HCS-40P 
uses the 6-50.
GE  EVWSWBC-CP01 uses the 6-50 plug.
AeroVironment EV station (7kw) uses the 6-40 plug.
Juicebox 40A uses the 14-50 plug.
AeroVironment Turbocord uses the 6-20.
Levitron EVB40-PST uses the 6-50.
Nissan Leaf charger uses 6-50R.
EV Power Pros 7kw uses 6-50.

The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as the 
current capacity is sufficient.

So I think it depends on the amount of current you are going to pull. Lower 
current seems to use the 14-30 and higher current uses the 6-50.

Cheers, Peter

P.S.  sorry for the HTML earlier.


On 3/7/16 5:27 AM, dovepa via EV wrote:
That is interesting because I purchased a Siemens VersiCharge Gen 2 30 Amp 
charger and it had a NE MA 6-50 plug on the end.

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Sorry, but I think this is bad advice.
NEMA 6-50 is not the most common plug. The NEMA 14-50 (RV plug) is by
far the most useful plug, found in every camping and RV spot, it is used
for stove or other appliance connection in newer homes (old homes had
10-50 or 10-30 for stove and dryer respectively) so I do not know why
6-50 is recommended in this article? Are there other areas than what I
am aware of
where NEMA 6-50 is common? I could not find them and Wikipedia says of
the
NEMA 6: "The higher-current versions are rare..."
I am only aware of somewhat common use of the NEMA 6-20 which is the 20A
version that looks like the usual NEMA 5 outlet and plug, but then used
on window ACs that run on 240V instead of 120V.

I would *definitely* recommend to mount a 14-30 or 14-50 where you want
to plug in the charger, since that is also useful for the common
appliances such as a dryer and you can even plug in an RV.
Conversely, if you mount a 14-50 plug on your charger and carry it, you
can plug in at any campground or other RV facility.

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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1100526_how-to-wire-a-new-garage-for
-electric-car-charging-what-you-need-to-know
How To Wire A New Garage For Electric-Car Charging: What You Need To
Know
Feb 26, 2016  John Voelcker

[images
http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/garage_100546966_l.jpg
Garage

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-plug_100546965_l.jpg
NEMA 6-50 plug

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-socket_100546964_l.jpg
NEMA 6-50 socket

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-plug-in-socket_100546961_l.jpg
NEMA 6-50 plug in socket

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/circuit-breaker-box_100546962_l.jpg
Circuit-breaker box

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/circuit-breaker-box-showing-240-volt-circ
uit-for-electric-car-charging-station_100546963_l.jpg
Circuit-breaker box showing 240-Volt circuit for electric-car charging
station
]
   One of the more daunting perceived obstacles to driving a plug-in
electric
car seems to be the need for a home charging station.

While plug-in hybrids can be recharged overnight using their 120-Volt
charging cords, battery-electric drivers should really have access to a
240-Volt Level 2 charging

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Thos True via EV 
r extensively remodeled.
>
> We've just gone through that process for a new garage in New York's
> Catskill
> Mountains. (Note this applies only to North America!)
>
> There are several steps, but it's important to understand that the
> wiring is
> the first step, and separate from the charging station--since drivers
> may
> later choose to upgrade to a more powerful station.
>
> First, work with your contractor and electrician to install a dedicated
> 240-Volt line to 1 or 2 feet below wherever you plan to locate your
> charging
> station.
>
> We sited ours in a corner of the building so a car can be recharged
> inside,
> or we can run the cord out underneath the garage door or through the
> regular
> door on the side of the building.
>
> Many contractors won't have any prior experience with electric-car
> charging
> stations, so you may have to educate them.
>
> The easiest way to put it in context is that it's the same kind of
> circuit
> used for electric clothes driers or stoves.
>
> Second, make sure your new circuit is capable of 50 Amps, which means a
> 40-Amp charging rate (using 80 percent of the circuit capacity).
>
> Even if your first charging station is only capable of 24 Amps (as many
> less-expensive ones are), you'll want to "future-proof" your garage
> wiring.
>
> Third, tell the electrician to install a NEMA 6-50 socket--the one used
> by
> most charging stations that aren't hard-wired--in the wall below the
> chosen
> site.
>
> One electrician we spoke to preferred hard-wiring, which eliminates
> resistance heat between the plug and socket, but we wanted to allow the
> charging station to go with us if we move.
>
> Fourth, once you have your garage wired, THEN select your charging
> station
> and bolt it securely to the wall.
>
> Most people will buy a new one; we were lucky enough to have a used one
> given to us by Green Car Reports contributor and electric-car advocate
> Tom
> Moloughney, who was upgrading. (Thanks, Tom!)
>
> There are more than a dozen charging stations on the market today.
>
> They can be bought directly from the makers or found at big-box stores
> like
> Best Buy, Home Depot, or Lowe's--from their websites if not necessarily
> in
> stock at your local outlet.
>
> Things to keep in mind:
>
>  - Look for at least 24 Amps of charging capability; 40 Amps is best,
> but
> more expensive
>
>  - Charging rate should be at least 7.2 kilowatts, which will handle
> both
> Chevy Volts (3.3 or 3.6 kW) and higher-rate cars like Nissan Leafs and
> BMW
> i3s (6.6 and 7.2 kW, respectively)
>
>  - Make sure it has that NEMA 6-50 plug on it!
>
>  - Some charging stations are "dumb," while others come from makers
> (e.g.
> ChargePoint) that offer online connections between your charger and a
> phone
> app and/or online site that will show you instant and cumulative
> charging
> statistics
>
>  - Ensure the cord is long enough to reach a car parked outside the
> garage.
> We'd suggest 16 feet at minimum, and 25 feet is well worth the extra
> cost
> ...
>
> Remember: It's no more complex than [installing] an electric clothes
> drier
> [outlet] --and there are millions of those in garages all over North
> America.
> [(c) greencarreports.com]
> ...
> http://venturebeat.com/2016/02/28/how-to-wire-your-garage-for-electric-c
> ar-charging-what-you-need-to-know/
> How to wire your garage for electric-car charging: what you need to know
> FEBRUARY 28, 2016
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
Sorry, but I think this is bad advice.
NEMA 6-50 is not the most common plug. The NEMA 14-50 (RV plug) is by
far the most useful plug, found in every camping and RV spot, it is used
for stove or other appliance connection in newer homes (old homes had
10-50 or 10-30 for stove and dryer respectively) so I do not know why
6-50 is recommended in this article? Are there other areas than what I
am aware of
where NEMA 6-50 is common? I could not find them and Wikipedia says of
the
NEMA 6: "The higher-current versions are rare..."
I am only aware of somewhat common use of the NEMA 6-20 which is the 20A
version that looks like the usual NEMA 5 outlet and plug, but then used
on window ACs that run on 240V instead of 120V.

I would *definitely* recommend to mount a 14-30 or 14-50 where you want
to plug in the charger, since that is also useful for the common
appliances such as a dryer and you can even plug in an RV.
Conversely, if you mount a 14-50 plug on your charger and carry it, you
can plug in at any campground or other RV facility.

Cor van de Water 
Chief Scientist 
Proxim Wireless 
  
office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water 
XoIP   +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info 

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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1100526_how-to-wire-a-new-garage-for
-electric-car-charging-what-you-need-to-know
How To Wire A New Garage For Electric-Car Charging: What You Need To
Know
Feb 26, 2016  John Voelcker

[images  
http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/garage_100546966_l.jpg
Garage

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-plug_100546965_l.jpg
NEMA 6-50 plug

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-socket_100546964_l.jpg
NEMA 6-50 socket

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/nema-6-50-plug-in-socket_100546961_l.jpg
NEMA 6-50 plug in socket

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/circuit-breaker-box_100546962_l.jpg
Circuit-breaker box

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/circuit-breaker-box-showing-240-volt-circ
uit-for-electric-car-charging-station_100546963_l.jpg
Circuit-breaker box showing 240-Volt circuit for electric-car charging
station
]
  
One of the more daunting perceived obstacles to driving a plug-in
electric
car seems to be the need for a home charging station.

While plug-in hybrids can be recharged overnight using their 120-Volt
charging cords, battery-electric drivers should really have access to a
240-Volt Level 2 charging station.

Those will recharge the full battery pack in anything from 4 to 9 hours,
depending on the specific car.

Many owners will want to retrofit a charging station into an existing
garage, but to lay out the principles, we're starting with what it takes
to
install one into a garage that's being built or extensively remodeled.

We've just gone through that process for a new garage in New York's
Catskill
Mountains. (Note this applies only to North America!)

There are several steps, but it's important to understand that the
wiring is
the first step, and separate from the charging station--since drivers
may
later choose to upgrade to a more powerful station.

First, work with your contractor and electrician to install a dedicated
240-Volt line to 1 or 2 feet below wherever you plan to locate your
charging
station.

We sited ours in a corner of the building so a car can be recharged
inside,
or we can run the cord out underneath the garage door or through the
regular
door on the side of the building.

Many contractors won't have any prior experience with electric-car
charging
stations, so you may have to educate them.

The easiest way to put it in context is that it's the same kind of
circuit
used for electric clothes driers or stoves.

Second, make sure your new circuit is capable of 50 Amps, which means a
40-Amp charging rate (using 80 percent of the circuit capacity).

Even if your first charging station is only capable of 24 Amps (as many
less-expensive ones are), you'll want to "future-proof" your garage
wiring.

Third, tell the electrician to install a NEMA 6-50 socket--the one used
by
most charging stations that aren't hard-wired--in the wall below the
chosen
site.

One electrician we spoke to preferred hard-wiring, which eliminates
resistance heat between the plug and socket, but we wanted to allow the
charging station to go with us if we move.

Fourth, once you have your garage wired, THEN select your charging
station
and bolt it securely to the wall.

Most people will buy a new one; we were lucky enough

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV 
Just as a side here (because it’s what I have) the Versicharge from Siemens
comes with a four-way switch inside that you can set for maximum current.
This means (if like me) you’re renting a house with a 30A circuit free it’s
possible to turn down the max current to ensure you don’t heat any cables
up ;)

I think we set ours to 24 amps if I remember correctly. In practice, it
still happily charges our 2013 LEAF in a sensible amount of time.

As for plugs? The outlet in our garage provided by our town house is a
6r-30. I wanted 6-50, but they said there wasn’t the capacity for it (which
is why I went for the siemens as it comes with a 6-50 but you can easily
replace the cord with a different one…)

Just my twopennoth,

Nikki.

P.S. Just got a 2002 RAV4 EV as a ‘staff car’ at Transport Evolved. Trying
to figure out how best to charge that!



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On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Peter C. Thompson via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> I may have been the one to mistakenly say guarantee - you are correct in
> that it is certification.
>
> Cheers, Peter
>
>
> On 3/7/16 2:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
>
>> I have never heard of UL guarantee, all I have seen is UL Certification
>> which is the declaration by the private company UL that they took your
>> product and documentation and even production method, and tested it to
>> guarantee that it meets certain spec and safety standards.
>> The product is then said to be UL Listed.
>> If you modify the product or its production method, then it no longer
>> satisfies the original tests that UL did and that is one of the reasons
>> that UL will inspect products and the factory where they are made, to
>> verify that they still meet the original specs and still deserve to be
>> UL Listed.
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>> Thompson via EV
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>> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE
>>
>> On 3/7/16 10:01 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
>>
>>> On 7 Mar 2016 at 9:07, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote:
>>>
>>> The hard-wired chargers can use the plug of your choice - as long as
>>>>
>>> the
>>
>>> current capacity is sufficient.
>>>>
>>> I may be remembering wrong, but I think that adding a cord and plug to
>>>
>> a
>>
>>> device approved for direct connection and not for temporary
>>>
>> installation is
>>
>>> a code violation.  Not that you're likely to get in trouble, but still
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
>>> EVDL Administrator
>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>
>> It is not a violation if the manufacturer allows you to do so.  If they
>> don't specifically mention using a plug, then yes, that would be a
>> violation.  And I agree, you are not likely to get into trouble, just
>> need to be aware.
>>
>> Oh, and it likely will void any UL guarantees.
>>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Roger Stockton via EV 
Peter C. Thompson wrote:

> I didn't claim that it made any sense.  :)  I agree that having the
> 14-50 plug in the garage makes a lot of sense (which is what I have -
> for welding, of course).

I think the use of NEMA 6-xx connectors makes sense given that the J1772 EVSE 
is a 240V *only* device, and so has no need for the neutral connection provided 
by the NEMA 14-xx receptacles.  If you install a NEMA 14-xx receptacle, you 
must run 4-conductors rather than the 3 required by the NEMA 6-xx receptacle.

If you already have a receptacle of suitable ampacity installed, then it makes 
sense to change the plug on the EVSE to match (cheapest option).

If you plan to haul the EVSE around with you and plug in a RV sites (I believe 
a minority of EV owners fall into this category), then using a similar 
connector at home (or making an adapter cable) is practical.

With respect to invalidating the UL marking on the product, I believe that as 
long as you do not *open* the unit the UL marking remains valid.  That is, 
changing the plug on the end of the cord is (I believe) fine, but if you open 
the case and replace the entire cordset (e.g. it is sometimes cheaper - and 
easier - to buy a range or dryer cordset with the NEMA 14-xx plug molded on 
than to buy the NEMA 14-xx plug on its own), then the UL mark becomes invalid.

This is why some products locate a terminal strip or similar connection means 
for the AC cord outside of the product under some sort of small cover.  You can 
then attach/replace the AC cord without opening the product.

As was hinted at in an earlier message, the UL marking is based not only on the 
product itself but also the production/assembly process, and so if the product 
is opened for service or repair outside of an approved service facility, then 
the UL mark becomes void.

Disclaimer: I am not a regulatory expert; this is just how it has been 
explained to me. ;^>

Cheers,

Roger.

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Re: [EVDL] What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Jim Walls via EV 

On 3/7/2016 14:36, Jan Steinman via EV wrote:

Y’mean like the cord and plug I wired to go into the dryer outlet… with a 15 kW 
generator on the other end? :-)

I am careful to follow a certain sequence that begins with throwing the main 
breaker and genset breaker, then plugging the plug into the dryer outlet and 
the genset BEFORE turning on the genset breaker.

That does make it hard to know when the power comes back on, though. Gotta keep 
an eye on the neighbour’s lights. I’ve thought about sticking a little NE-2 
bulb or Sonalert on the utility side of the main breaker, but haven’t worked up 
the nerve yet.



That is almost guaranteed to be illegal and HIGHLY dangerous.  Your 
electric utility would scream bloody murder over that arrangement 
because there is no positive transfer that prevents any possibility of 
your generator feeding back towards the utility.  If you happen to miss 
in your procedure, have a breaker that fails to open when the operating 
level is thrown (I personally have had a couple of those - one being a 
main), or someone bumps the wrong breaker, you kill people - notably 
utility workers who are working on a de-energized line (or at least they 
have every reason to believe so).  Or worse, some citizen who does 
something stupid with what they though was a de-energized line that was 
laying on the ground before emergency services or the electric utility 
arrives.  Remember that it's not just 120/240 volts that we're talking 
about, but whatever primary distribution your neighborhood uses once 
your power goes through the transformer that feeds your house and tries 
to light up the line.


You MUST have a transfer switch that transfers your house load from the 
utility to your generator.  Depending on you to follow a procedure to 
switch breakers in the right order is not safe, and illegal.


As a long time electric utility worker and the son of an electric 
utility worker (although neither of us worked in that side of the 
utilities), please do not wire up your generator in any way that does 
not include a positive transfer switch that prevents ANY possibility of 
energizing the utility service from your generator.


BTW, positive transfer does not have to be anything fancy.  For example 
a few days ago I had a scheduled 10 hour outage at my house.  My 
"transfer" was to unplug the input cords to the two UPSes from the wall 
and plug them into the generator.  Same thing with the air and water 
pumps for the six aquariums.  Of course that did not pick up the rest of 
the house...


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What You Need To Know To Wire A Garage EVSE

2016-03-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV 

Rush Dougherty via EV wrote:

I'm interested in this idea of 'violations'

Home Depot/Lowes/Ace Hardware/and many other hardware/electrical stores sell
replacement cords for appliances, where you, the homeowner can replace a cord
with a new one. Does that void the UL guarantee and NEC (if there is one)
guarantee?

If it does, that means that those hardware stores are knowingly selling a
product, that if used will void guarantee's. Is that correct?


NEC and UL are independent organizations; not government bodies. Their 
standards are voluntary, and do not carry the force of law.


NEC does nothing by write standards. The first chapter of the NEC 
(National Electric Code) title "90.2 Scope" says their jurisdiction does 
not apply to any kind of vehicles except motor homes and RVs. 
(Infamously, they nevertheless added Article 625 which has specs for EVs 
anyway, even though EVs are outside their scope).


The NEC also does not generally apply to cord-connected non-permanent 
devices that people can simply move around and plug in or unplug 
themselves (like a battery charger). Such devices are more typically 
governed by UL requirements.


UL (Underwriters Laboratories) is an independent *testing* agency. All 
they do is write test standards, and test products to see if they meet 
them. Companies pay UL to test their products, as an independent 
verification that the product is safe, and is built to normally accepted 
industry practices (i.e. it's no worse than anyone else's).


If a complete product (like a battery charger) passes their tests, UL 
can "list" it. Such a product will carry a "UL listed" label. If it's 
just a component part (like a plug or a switch), UL can "recognize" it. 
The part will then carry a "UR" label (UL Recognized).


Neither UL nor NEC have any power to pass or enforce their standards, or 
regulate, insure, warrant, or guarantee anything. Compliance with their 
standards is entirely *voluntary*. The only way that compliance becomes 
mandatory is if some federal, state, or local law happens to say "must 
be built according to NEC" or "must be UL listed" etc.


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