Gwens new parents...
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to extend my congratulations to Lynda Welch and Daniel Bailey of Bailey's Norwegian Fjords on their recent purchase of FC Gwendellin. Best of luck to you and your new white dun edition to the herd! I can't wait to hear of all the wonderful things you do together! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA p.s.- Don't forget that she LOVES to be scratched on her chest and butt, and she loves baths too!
White Dun Fjord mare
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please forgive me for the senior moment! Could the person who phoned me last night about Gwen please email me; I lost your email address. Thanks! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Gwendellin Driving Swiming!
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] If anyone would like to see photos of Gwen driving and swimming in a river, email me privately and I'll send photos via email. They were taken today, 6/25 _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Gwendellin
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I took Gwen on a ride this morning while my husband and son (on his shoulders) walked along side us. We went down to the river and introduced Gwen to the water for the first time. She was afraid, but she walked right along the bank, until she was ready to take her first step in. After that, she walked right in up to her belly, and she didn't mind a bit. I think she rather liked the cool feeling around her, since it's 90+ degrees here in Virginia! _ Sarah Vogeley (looking forward to some cooler weather...) New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Glory Bit wanted
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello. I was wondering if anyone out there has a Glory Bit they aren't using? I would like to find one second hand, that is 5 1/4. Thank you, _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Gwendellin driving
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everyone. Tonight we put Gwendellin to my Meadowbrook Cart for our first drive at home. She was just wonderful, and she looked beautiful in the huge field we were in, just before sunset. I had several spectators, who enjoyed watching Gwen and I drive into the sunset and back again! Included in the group was the president of our local driving club. She said, well its' about time you have yourself a nice driving pony! We were all thrilled. My husband and I went around for a spin, and he had a great time too. What a wonderful day! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
FC Gwendellin
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yesterday, I drove 200 miles (one way) to the trainers to drive my 3 year old white dun filly, Gwen, for the first time. I first rode her for a while, and she is coming along quite well under saddle. All the distractions at the farm were enough to put any horse on edge, but she wasn't phased a bit... After the ride, I hitched her up with the trainer, Pam Umberger, to a metal jog cart. She doesn't care a bit about the pulling or about the breeching putting pressure on her rear end... She drove us around for about an hour, in a small ring while the trainer gave three beginner riders a lesson at the same time in the same ring (while sitting next to me in the cart)! I was amazed that Gwen didn't care that the trainer was shouting out cues to the riders, while I was driving Gwen all around them! All in all, she did quite well in harness, but she still needs quite a bit of polishing in standing still at the halt. If anyone has any ideas on what exercises I can do with her to encourage a good HALT, I would love to hear them. I realize that she is young still, and she still has that excess energy of a youngster at times, but I want to be sure that I am doing everything I can to encourage proper harness manners, and standing still is very important. Gwen will stand well with a header, but if she is alone, she prefers to fidget after a few seconds of being still. Also, I have the issue of not owning a metal jog cart at home. All I have is my new Meadowbrook Cart. I wondered if there is anything I can do to have a smooth transition from a lighter jog cart, to pulling a heavy Meadowbrook. Any suggestions? Just wanted to share my news! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
My white dun, Gwendellin
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's some chit chat for the list! My white dun mare, Gwen, is well into her harness training and she's driving a Meadowbrook Cart now. The trainer plans to put her to a Bird-In-Hand vehicle before she returns home again. I've started her lightly under saddle, and I plan to trail ride her upon her return. It stinks when the trainer is 200 miles away! I can't visit as often as I would like... I look forward to seeing her again. _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Twin Pregnancy
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since we're on the subject of twins, I thought I might add a few word on the subject... I just had my mare ultrasounded at 18 days post conception. She is in foal, and she shows no sign of faternal twins in her uterus. However, in order to determine if she has an identical twin pregnancy, I would have to wait until at least 28 days and re-ultrasound her to check for that. Faternal twins are easier to distinguish, because the two embryos do NOT share the same embryonic sack. The identical twins DO, and thus are much more difficult to pinch off by the veterinarian. _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Finally a Pregnancy!!!!!
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hate to jinx myself but I can't help it... My Andalusian mare is PREGNANT!! After three years of trying to get a foal from one of our mares, the day has finally arrived. This was my Andalusian mares' second attempt at getting bred, so she isn't to blame; just bad timing and luck I guess. Now I have to plan and worry for the next 11 months! Just had to share... If anyone is interested in seeing an ultrasound photo of the embryo (corny, I know!) just email me and I'll send it along to you. The breeder got a big kick out of the photo when I sent it to her as conformation of the fertile breeding she managed earlier this month! :) The foal is due on St. Patricks Day! The names are already swirling in my head! Any suggestions? Happy Spring!!! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Feeding Question
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all. I posted this inquiry on Betsy's Fjord Information Board, but I haven't yet received a response I have read on several Fjord-List posts that feeding a textured feed to Fjords is NOT recommended. I would like to know how the fjord differs from other breeds to make this so. I feed all my horses a 10% protein, 8% fat textured feed along with free access orchard grass/timothy mix hay. I feed my 3 year old 14HH Fjord filly 2 measured cups twice daily of the textured feed. She is excercised about 4x weekly for about 40 minutes each session. I would like to hear from fjord owners with experience in proper feeding guidelines to help me determine whether this is an appropriate feeding for her. I consider her to be on the leaner side, and not easy to put on weight. My concern about pelleted feed comes from a few nutritional seminars I've been to that have shown an association with pelleted food and higher incidences of choke and colic, along with decreased nutrient absorbtion. Thank you for your help, Sarah Vogeley Gwendellin _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Responses to my response to the gelding thang!
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just wanted to say that I got lots of giggles and laughs over all the funny responses about the issue of gelding vs. mare. As it was stated earlier, it's always going to be a personal preference. I personally don't see enough hard evidence to choose a gelding over a mare or vice versa. I have owned geldings that were wonderful, and geldings that were dangerous. I've also owned the same in mares... My choice to buy a Fjord mare was more of fluke than anything. Since I already have two mares (an Andalusian and a Morgan) I figured that another mare wouldn't change things much. Though, I know that if she had been a gelding, I would have still wanted her. My best friend and riding buddy owns five geldings, and she thinks I'm crazy for owning all mares. But when I take my mare out with her geldings, it seems that THEY are always doing the flirting, not my mares! I once had to leave a group ride with my Morgan mare, because the geldings wouldn't leave my mare alone, and she wasn't even batting an eyelash at them, let alone the other end :)! Of course, when we got together afterwards, the group referred to me as the one with the horny mare. I nearly exploded!!! Talk about a stereotype against mares! LOL LOL! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Response to Gelding Only Wanted-VA
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps my hesitation to put a wanted ad up on the Fjord List was for good cause after all! I would think that all the breeders and sellers out there would appreciate my announcing a potential buyer to this list! It should matter NOT about why my friend wants a gelding only. It's a personal choice! _ Sarah Vogeley (who owns ALL mares, BTW!) New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Driving Fjord Gelding Wanted-VA
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have hesitated to put out a wanted ad for a friend, but I wouldn't want her to pass up a life long friend if he's out there somewhere to be had... Brenda Saunders lives in Afton, VA and she is looking for a reasonably priced, confidence builder driving gelding. She hasn't given this breed much thought, due to her lack of exposure, until she saw my new filly. She is a good horse person, but she is new to driving, and needs a gelding that will be calm, steady, and safe on the roads and through fields. She hopes to participate in local driving events so she really needs something that will be up to the task. She will only consider a gelding and he must be within a reasonable distance from Virginia (how far she'll travel, I'm not sure). Age isn't as important as temperament and health. If anyone knows of a special guy that might win her heart, please email her directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know that she offers a wonderful home with a few hundred acres of board fenced pasture land, and a nice barn for poor weather conditions. Thanks very much, _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Blikkenfjorden
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone on the list know of the white dun stallion, Blikkenfjorden? According to the pedigree search page, he is currently owned by Steven Wilma Spengler of Hood River, OR. I would love to see a photo of him, as he is the only white dun that I know of that isn't related to my mare. I like his name too! Sounds like something I'd say to Gwen if she stepped on my foot! :) _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
More photos to share!!!
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't mind my bragging... I just thought if anyone would care to see recent photos of FC Gwendellin, my white dun Fjord filly, I now have them to share! She has lost most of her winter coat, and she's looking absolutely radiant! Email me directly, and I'll return the email with photos attached. Happy Spring to all! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Fiskars Scissors
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all! I just returned from Sam's Club and I purchased the Fiskars 2 piece set for $13.94. It includes the Soft-Touch scissors with another pair of small micro-tip scissors for precise cutting. Both have blade sheaths as well. Now I have no excuse!!! Thank you for the tip!!! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Trimming Manes
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I cut Gwendellins mane for the first time today. I can't say it's a perfect job, but it turned out pretty good I think! I would like to have recommendations of types of scissors that work best for this procedure? Her mane is quite thick, and the ones I used were intended to cut human hair, but they still weren't sharp enough... I would ultimately prefer to use clippers, but if I made a boo boo, it would really show up! Thanks for your help, Jan! It was quite wonderful to cut my very own Fjord's mane! I couldn't have done it without your instruction! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Trimming Ergots
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone have a safe method for trimming ergots? I don't want to take too much off, but I know they are too long on my Morgan mare. Thanks, _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Outcrossing Fjords issue...
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I personally have never seen a part bred Fjord... Though, a few years ago I was very eager to have an Andalusian, and I couldn't afford one, so the next best thing was to purchase a partbred... This can be a big mistake, as one would naturally hope to have all the characteristics of an Andalusian in the partbred, which just isn't realistic. I eventually sold the partbred and bought a purebred! That's not to say that partbreds can't be wonderful horses, but that isn't my point. The point is, when you feel strongly about a particular breed of horse, it's sometimes best to wait for the real thing. Often, outcrossing can take away the things we cherish most in our beloved breed, no matter what breed it is. I kinda like the idea of knowing that my Fjord is purely unique, and it took thousands of years to make her what she is. I almost wish the Andalusian horse would follow the same guidelines of forbidding outcrossing, though I couldn't say that as the Spanish Horse has played a huge role in the development of more modern breeds such as the Quarter Horse, Friesian, Morgan, and others. Tuche for the Andalusian _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Photos of FC Gwendellin
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have new photos of my filly, if anyone is interested in seeing them!!! Just email me directly, and I will reply with a photo attached. _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
I Got One!!!!!!!
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to thank everyone on the list who helped me in one way or another in finding my first Fjord. We have her at our farm now; she just arrived yesterday! She is a lovely 3 year old white dun filly by Modellen, out of a white dun mare named Lin. Her name is FC Gwendellin and I bought her from Debbie and Peter Coggiola in Silver Springs, NY. It was a long trip from New York to Virginia, but she was well taken care of on her journey and she is settling in well. What a beauty she is! My husband and I are thrilled! Thank you again to all. I will keep you posted on our progress, and I'll be sure to ask loads of questions to all you Fjord veterans out there! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
GLORY BITS
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought the list might find this clip interesting... Hi Sarah, The Glory riding bits was approved 1/15/2000 by the A.H.S.A. Ray Johnson Glorybits _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Re: Grey Fjords' anatomy...
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] All in good fun; relax _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- From: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Grey Fjords' anatomy... Date: Sat, Jan 29, 2000, 1:23 AM Dr. Brian, have you no shame?! Disapprovingly, Peg Knutsen, Knutsen Fjord Farm, www.eburg.com/~kffjord
Chestnut IDs
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I heard about this method before, only I can't remember where I heard about it!!! Perhaps it was in England? My brain is like swiss cheese! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Microchips Date: Sat, Jan 29, 2000, 9:55 AM Here's a rather odd idea that's been floating in my head for a couple years now. And it would work for ANY horse, not just a fjord. You know how the horse's chestnuts are like our fingerprints? I've often wondered why we don't have a system where we chestnut-print our horses. There is no muss, fuss, branding or microchipping. If we were all on the same page, any auctionhouse/ slaughterhouse would be able to print each horse, run the print through a computer and voila! It comes up loud and clear who the horse is, and more importantly, if it is stolen. I know it sounds off the wall, but really, it would be a very effective way to identify horses. Pamela Who gets my weird ideas during my stall cleaning time, when there is nothing really important to think about, so I design barns, come up with chestnut printing ideas, etc. :)
Rare breed Exhibition-Virginia
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] On April 26-30, the Carriage Association of America is having a four day event in Williamsburg, VA. In addition to the CAA sponsored activities, the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy is having a rare breed exhibition. I don't know if Fjords classify as a rare breed but it might be a fantastic opportunity to exhibit to a wide audience of people and answer questions about the Norweigian Fjord and its versatility. To find out whether the organization is interested in having Fjords participate, you can contact the person below for details. I wish I had a Fjord to show off! I will probably take my Andalusian mare, as they are eager to show the breed in the demos. Donald E. Bixby, DVM Executive Director American Livestock Breeds Conservancy PO Box 477 Pittsboro, NC 27312 (919) 542-5704 FAX (919) 545-0022 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.albc-usa.org _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Re: Equine ID Brands
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the precise problem with microchips. Not all scanners read all microchips. It's a shame that a universal effort wasn't made when this technology became available. My Andalusian mare has two microchips in her neck, and I'm not sure why. When I inquired about it, I was told that perhaps the first one wasn't readable, so they put in another one! Scary! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- From: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Equine ID Brands Date: Sat, Jan 29, 2000, 3:52 AM So if the scanners do not read all chips, how many scanners do the meat houses have? Sounds pretty scary. Jean
Rare Breed Exhibition-VA (long)
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] After asking more questions, I have a listing of the breeds that the American Rare Breed of Livestock Conservancy is working to protect. The breeds below arent confirmed to be represented at this exhibition, though they are hopeful for a good turnout of livestock. For those that are interested, the list goes as follows... Asses Critical Rare Watch Study Poitou American Mammoth Jack Stock* Cattle Critical Rare Watch Study Canadienne* Dutch Belted Florida Cracker* Kerry Milking Devon* Pineywoods* Randall Lineback* White Park Ankole-Watusi Dexter Red Poll Ayrshire Belted Galloway Galloway Guernsey Highland Milking Shorthorn Goats Critical Rare Watch Study San Clemente (F)* Nigerian Dwarf* Tennessee Fainting* Oberhasli Spanish* Horses Critical Rare Watch Study Akhal-Teke American Cream* Canadian* Caspian Cleveland Bay Exmoor Florida Cracker* Mountain Pleasure* Spanish Mustang* Spanish Barb* Suffolk Dartmoor Hackney Horse Lipizzan Rocky Mountain* Clydesdale Friesian Gotland Shire
Re: Grey Fjords
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] You've got me really guessing on this one!Elaborate please, please, please! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Grey Fjords Date: Fri, Jan 28, 2000, 5:25 AM I have made up my mind not to decide about selling or gelding him until he's two years old by which time I will hopefully have been able to have him evaluated. I may even see if someone who's been mentioned on this list would be willing to come surreptitiously heft his well, um, er..I guess you had to be there. (It was just one piece of information that a person who's very knowledgeable about Fjords uses to judge whether they're stallion quality or not) : ).
Re: Equine ID Brands
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] My grey Andalusian mare has a freeze brand on her right hip, and I am hoping that it will be more aparent when she lightens, but it's doubtful!!! It's the coolest brand I've ever seen though; its a full moon with a river running through the bottom part, with a big M inside the moon. The brand is for Moonbrook Farm Andalusians. _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Equine ID Brands Date: Fri, Jan 28, 2000, 5:30 AM Freeze branding is easier on the horse than branding with a hot iron, but unfortunately a freeze brand does not show up well on a light colored horse.
Re: meat horses
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] This was an interesting article indeed. I believe the one you are referring to is from the recent magazine article from, The Horse. The article also mentioned that meat from american horses is often advertised as such because horses are so much better cared for than in other countries, therefore, the meat is considered higher quality. If anyone is considering an equine magazine subscription, I strongly recommend The Horse. The current issue has a photo on the upper right hand corner of the front page of horses running along a fenceline. The dark colored stallion in the photo is the Lusitano stallion I will be breeding to my mare this spring; yipp! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- From: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: meat horses Date: Fri, Jan 28, 2000, 1:19 AM This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] listers, i recall reading an article, i think in either HORSE magazine or HORSE ILLUSTRATED about a month or two ago. it was part of a series on horse slaughtering; pros and cons. they mentioned that draught type horses, especially begians were prized by the japanese for the texture of their meat. the europeans favor tbs, and warmbloods. what the facts, maam. denise in sunny and DRY!!!, northern calif.
Re: Equine ID Brands
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, I believe that microchipping is an excellent form of identification. The problem with it, however, is that though we would like to assume that stockyards and other types of equine sales events scan necks to see if they are microchipped, most do not. In the case of a stolen horse, it might never be checked for a microchip before it is long gone... As much as branding isn't my top choice for identifying equines, it is the one that will most likely be seen and noted as a means for quick/easy identification of an equine. _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Equine ID Brands
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mention of Fjords ending up in an auction leads me to a question to Fjord owners. Are brands a common practice in this breed? Obviously, many fjords can be verbally described almost exactly the same. What measures are taken to ensure proper identification? If brands are used, what type of metal is used to make the brand itself? If anyone on the list commonly brands their equines, I would like to hear more about the process/materials/hazards, etc. Thanks so much! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Grey Fjords
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was mentioned that there are several nice grey stallions out West. Are there any here on the East Coast? Are grey colts less likely to be gelded because of their color? It seems that there are no grey geldings available on the market. Or grey mares/filles for that matter... Just an observation. _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Horses looking up...
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting... Our three mares have a paddock that runs about 15 feet from our house and in the mornings (when it's warmer) my husband and I often lift up our bedroom window to say good morning to them. I have watched them instinctively look for the doors on the first level of our home, but after we chat with them for a bit, they realize where our voices are coming from and look up at us on the second floor. One of our mares looks up at us with a look as if she's saying, What the heck are you doing up there? Get down her and give me breakfast, NOW! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- From: Anita Unrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: 13th Warrior Date: Tue, Jan 25, 2000, 9:17 AM People always told us that horses don't look up but I got some pics of them looking up to see what that horrible noise was.
Re: Hansje
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps the other one looked angry because she wasn't well looked after either. I wouldn't be too happy being locked in a stall for a seemingly indefinate period of time myself, so perhaps there is hope for the other one as well? Is he or she available for purchase? Where are the horses located? If you are able, please post the particulars on this list in case there might be a list member who can help the other one out as well. Good luck with your new friend. _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- From: Marion Bijster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjorden mailinglist fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Hansje Date: Sun, Jan 16, 2000, 11:44 PM Anyway the price was very reasonable, so when she turnes out not to be the companion I hope she is I can always sell her good. But that is nog what I hope. She was dirty and not well-looked after. I felt sorry for the other animal, but I can only afford one. The character of the other horse was not good and I did not like the look in her eye. There was something wrong with her. But this one looked completely honest.
Re: Tripping
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting! I wouldn't think of that myself! I would love to see an online photo of your driving Fjord if you have one. Thanks for sharing your experience. _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- From: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Tripping Date: Tue, Jan 11, 2000, 9:31 AM kept working him slowly until he refound his balance without leaning on the check.I never realized he was using his check to balance himself!
Re: Tripping
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meredith; Yes, I would tend to agree that conformational tendancy to trip is a bad thing to breeding into any horse used for any purpose. I will pay particular attention to this when I look for my first Fjord for driving! Thanks, _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Tripping
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I must admit, all the talk about Fjords tripping has me worried. I once saw a Fjord on a lunge line and he must have stumbled at least once each trip around the circle! He was given plenty of space and was on level, smooth ground. At the time, I excused it to this particular horse. Though now that I am hearing other peoples' observations of other Fjords with similar tripping episodes, I am curious to know why this is? Since I have little direct contact with this breed, and I am trying to soak up as much information as possible, I would really like to hear opinions from breeders on this list. Thank you for allowing me to tap your brains!!! :) _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Fjord Type
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for posting the website with the photo! I believe I have seen that picture before, though I didn't know the horses name... Being a person who loves lots of equine disciplines (driving, trail riding, hilltopping, hunter pacing, dressage, and team penning) I am happy to hear that Norway is not zeroing in on one particular type, but is focusing on approving the type that has the ability to do several different tasks, as someone explained in an earlier post. Though my interest is mostly in finding a Fjord that drives, I would certainly like to tap into any other talents that he or she might excell in! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Wanted; Lease of driving Fjord
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to ask the list if there might be a driving Fjord out there that is available for lease for pleasure driving? I pleasure drive in a Meadowbrook Cart on a 2.5 mile dirt/paved road 2-3 times a week and on an occasional club sponsored drive in the later part of the spring. If anyone knows of a Fjord that is available for lease for this purpose, please let me know. Thanks very much! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Rosendalsborken
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Being new to this breed and still learning what the true type really looks like, I would like to see the photo(s) of this Fjord as well. Please let me know if there are websites that might lead me in their direction. Thanks, _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
New subscriber from Virginia
This message is from: Donald Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello. I have been asked to introduce myself as a new list member. I live in Charlottesville, VA and I have an interest in eventually finding a pleasure driving Fjord. I am a member of the James River Driving Club in Richmond, VA which participates in many historical events that use horses carriages to enhance the theme of the events that we take part in. Mostly, I am a pleasure driver (I don't show) and taking a trip down the road with my husband and son in our Meadowbrook is my ideal passtime (or will be in the near future when my son is old enough). We have three equines; an Andalusian, a Morgan, and a Paint Pony (she's the one I drive). We also have two labs and a Schipperke and two cats. That about sums it up!!! My interest in Fjords started when a friend took me to a farm that had a Fjord gelding there as a long standing farm resident and family member. He was the sweetest, cutest, and fatest pony I had ever seen! His full neck and beautifully kept mane really caught my eye. After spending a little time with him, I realized that his looks were only the icing on the cake. I have been hooked on this breed ever since. I love the strength and calm nature a Fjord has in a relatively small package. I look forward to the possibility of having a bumpersticker on my car that says, Have You Driven a Fjord Lately?. Do they make bumperstickers like that??? I think it would be a total hoot, especially since I drive a Chevy! That's all for now. Happy Y2K to all the critters and list members! Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Re: Cantering
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to read this article; can you tell me where I can find it? Thank you, Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cantering Date: Wed, Oct 20, 1999, 8:36 AM I recently read that the plates in a horse's spine are not fully developed (or closed) until almost 6 year's of age, so getting on their backs at 2 yrs. doesn't seem like a sound idea.
Re: Dressage Clinic at OHF
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where is Curt Pierce residing in Virginia? I haven't heard of him before. Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dressage Clinic at OHF Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999, 5:22 AM I just wanted to tell everyone about the wonderful Dressage Clinic that was held at Old Hickory Farm (Julie Will's farm) last weekend. Curt Pierce, dressage instructor from Virginia, came and held the clinic.
Re: Driving in the Country Parks
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow, this sounds excellent! Do you have to do a test drive before receiving a permit? Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A Fjord and a Quarterhorse Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999, 4:43 AM On our side of the Minneapolis metro area there are three County parks that are groomed for driving. Users have to get a special permit for driving. The park we were at today was wonderful - mowed grass paths that were nice and wide that made a big circle around the park. Included wooded areas, open areas, a lake, a bridge and picnic tables and bathrooms about mid-way.
Re: Hector Saddles
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is very interesting. I visited the site and it appears that the saddle maker himself has a lot of Spanish influence in his saddles. The El Hector model is a version of the Doma Vaquera saddle that the Spaniards use in the sport of Doma Vaquera, which is similar to the US version of reining. The Hector saddle design has a similar look to my Espanola Saddle, with the raised cantel and pumel offering a secure fit as well as a close contact feel with your legs under you instead of in front of you. The saddle I purchased was through a company called the Iberian Connection in Lincoln, CA. The underside of the saddle is made to conform to your horses back and fit him comfortably and smoothly. If anyone wants to see a photo of this Espanola Saddle, email me directly and I'll send you a photo. It was reasonably priced at $950 and I LOVE it for all kinds of riding! Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia -- From: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Saddles Date: Fri, Oct 15, 1999, 5:17 PM This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all! Since yesterday I'm testing a new type of saddle on my fjord gelding Cider. This saddle was made here in Sweden and it's called HECTOR. It looks like somthing in between a western and an English saddle but also like an medieval saddle. One of the saddle-makers involved in the project are a fjord-owner and has therefore taken the 'special needs' of many fjords into consideration during the work with the saddle. Many models are available, among them one extra wide and extra short that often fit arabs and fjords. The purpose with the saddle is e.g. to give room for the movement of the front legs, to give the rider closer contact to the horse and to spread the rider's weight over the back of the horse. For those who want to see what Hector looks like, wiev here: http://hectorfabriken.nu The English version in not ready yeat, but if you just clic 'Priser beställning'. Once there, clic anything in the column 'sadlar', you will se pics of saddles and other equipment. Translations: Hector Standart - the standard model Hectur Islandssadel - for Icelandic horses, shortened to fit their short backs. Lector Distanssadel - lightweighted model for endurace, wide tree El Hectore - Spanish design for classical dressage The Hector - English design Actor extra bred - extra wide tree, shortened, extra room over the withers. Fits e.g. arabs well. Wector western - the western model Hector custom - custom-made model Today I'm going to ride in this saddle for the first time - exiting! Regards Anneli in Sweden ** Anneli Sundkvist Dept. of Archaeology Ancient History St. Eriks torg 5 75310 Uppsala SWEDEN +46-18-4712082 (work) +46-18-553627 (home)
Driving white dun Fjord mare
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I seem to have misplaced the email address for the person who sent me the excellent photo of the stunning white dun mare driving a pink marathon vehicle; could you please email me again with your address? Thanks so much! Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia
Re: driving
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the wonderful summary of driving a Fjord. I really enjoyed it! It is my hope to have a Fjord to drive some day, and I look forward to having a Fjord to participate with our driving club in Richmond, VA. This is also an excellent way to step into the wonderful world of driving. Join your local club and LEARN LOTS!!! I am truly amazed at how active our club is; I have been a member for less than a month, and there have been three HUGE events already! This weekend is the Victorian Day at Maymont (a huge estate.) in Richmond. If only I had a Fjord to show off there! All the vehicles will be adorned with fresh flowers and there are thousands of spectators every year to watch the carriages throughout the day; what fun!!! Thanks again, Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia -- From: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: driving Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999, 10:16 PM This message is from: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish to respond to a driving inquiry on the Digest a bit ago. For me driving the Fjord has become a love and passion; yes even an addiction. Driving for me has evolved slowly over the years with many mistakes the Fjords have thankfully forgiven. Everyone begins at the beginning, the owner and the Fjord is the most common start with some foreign harness laying on the floor. Those 'what' and 'how' are usually overcome with advice and some simple common sense. When we started, advice was limited and sometimes very questionable. Driving, I believe, can evolve into a special partnership between Fjord and owner. It is no different than Dressage,Reining, or Draft. Each discipline has an area of expertise between the handler and the Fjord. My interest lies in Driving which many Fjords almost adapt to naturally. We live in a very isolated area so have trained ourselves through books. videos, and trial/error methods. Thankfully the Fjords have handled this very well. The main premise is still Who is the Boss. Once that is established work can really begin. There have been comments lately on Parelli,Lyons,Roberts and other Gurus. This is all fine in your learning curve. Take what is right for you and dump the rest. There are no short cuts only hard work and lots of miles with a 'whip' who knows what to ask for and how to get it. As Hardy Zanke a Pacific pairs driver states. Dressage is like dancing with horses But here is the change. When we started there were very few people to ask for help. Now all over North America there are very talented, capable drivers who are excelling at this wonderful sport which the Fjords do so well. Here are some Fjord individuals I know and respect for their driving abilities. Pat Wolfe of Ontario, Canada. Dave McWethy of U.S. Vivian Creigh of the U.S. Beth Beymer of U.S. Karen McCarthy of U.S. Orville Unrau of Canada, The Hotovys of U.S.and the Jensens of Canada. This list could go on for quite awhile and I apologise for those missed. Drivers like other disciplines have their heroes and mentors. for me the likes of Velstra,Holland; Long U.S.; Poulson Sweden;Uhasz ,Hungary all have training driving videos available. Local names like Fairclough. T Johnson, Chesson, Singer. Whatnot and Brunner from Canada have made tremendous strides in evolving the standard to European levels. with that said you can still have a pleasure driving Fjord for fun. There's just more help out there if you want it than in days gone by. A must driving video are the two World's Gladstone tapes. A.D.S. have an instructional driving video as well So don't procrastinate on driving, just do it. Your returns far exceed your investment. The help is around, just ask. A good trainer can short cut on your learning curve and you can avoid some mistakes. I hear of several four-ups in the making which truly makes me happy. Talk about turning heads for Fjords and the personal pride it brings. Bottom line is just do it and dont be afraid to ask. Brian Jensen
Re: The 'kvittRe: White Fjords
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary; The cremello coat color is a result of two contributing dilute genes, therefore it cannot be further diluted. If you breed two cremellos, you have a 100% chance of producing a cremello offspring. I understand that the cremello Fjord colt pictured on the NFHR site has been gelded. I'm sure he's quite beautiful! I'd love to see how he looks when he matures; I'm a big fan of creme colored horses! Not for breeding for the color, but the beauty of the color itself. Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia -- From: Mary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The 'kvittRe: White Fjords Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 1:26 AM The 'kvitt' Fjord looks exactly like a cremello color in other breeds. It is not possible to register these in AQHA and many other registries. How does the Fjord registry handle this, and have people tried breeding them to dilute color?
Re: All things beautiful
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not at all... I want a Fjord for pleasure driving for the same exact reasons you like them too; size and calm temperament. Not to mention, they are just darn gorgeous! I can't wait to be a weegie owner too some day! Sarah -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: All things beautiful Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 7:22 AM I know what you mean. I hope I didn't imply in my other post that I thought they were flighty or anything, they are wonderful!
Re: All things beautiful
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I brought my 3.5 year old Andalusian mare to a Monty Roberts clinic in November of '98 to be used as a subject for his join up demonstration that evening. My mare had no training other than leading/loading and standing still. Monty loved my mare, but couldn't choose her because guess what??? She was TOO laid back! He required a horse that was more of a challenge to teach the audience with. After the polite turn down for using her at his demo, he promptly requested to use her in a TV interview instead! She got on the 6pm news! That was worth the trip in itself! Sarah -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A friend of mine owns a beautiful great tempered Andalusian stallion. She puts her handicapped nephew on him and he's an angel. He drives well and is a great riding horse. All his babies are calm and nicely conformed. They are good horses. I almost bought one before I bought my fjords. BUT I chose fjords for a couple reasons 1) I like being a bit closer to the ground 2) I like the temperment just a little bit better than the Andys. Andys are gentle and sweet, but the fjords I've met have all been a bit more laid back.
Re: White Dun Fjords
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Me too! I really like the contrast of the white (wool) colored body, with the dark stripe in the mane and tail. On the other hand, i have always been attracted to a white horse in general, so I suppose I would like the type without the dark color in the mane and tail as well! Anita; your white duns are beautiful! Thank you for sharing the photos again. I have learned a lot from my original post! Sarah -- From: Anita Unrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: White Dun Fjords Date: Wed, Oct 6, 1999, 10:27 PM Sorry to ramble on for so long but I really do like the White Duns. Anita Unrau Anvil's Acres Norwegian Fjord Horses.
Re: White Fjords
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] No one spoke badly about white dun Fjords to me. I have just posted a question to the list concerning my recent feedback that they are a less desireable color. Not that the persons who told me that felt that way by any means themselves. I would LOVE to see the photos of Modella! Please send them along! Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia -- From: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FjordList [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: White Fjords Date: Mon, Oct 5, 1998, 10:46 PM This message is from: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] WHO SPOKE BADLY ABOUT WHITE FJORDS
White Dun Fjords
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you so much to all that sent photos of their colorful Fjords! I just love to see all the different examples of the breed! I didn't realize that the white dun gene is what produces the cremello coat color. That is interesting! I am the Northeast Regional Director for the American White American Creme Horse Registry. I know that several breeds don't accept this color in their registry, let alone, accept it in their show rings. I have had three cremellos, and they have been excellent show horses, pleasure horses, and companions to my family and I. I haven't had any serious issues involving over-exposure to the sun. They were all in excellent health and had wonderful hooves as well. There are some cremellos out there that are absolutely stunning! Even Robert Vavra captured some fantastic shots of cremellos in his equine photography books; check them out if you get a chance! Though I would NEVER promote to breed for the cremello color, it is a shame that the color is not respected more. I have done many things on my beloved cremello QH mare, Destiny. This includes, hunter pacing, foxhunting, team penning, trail riding, jumping, and dressage. They can do anything that a colored horse can do! Only they bring a lot of attention because of their unusual appearance and their crystal blue eyes. I love them all! Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia
White Dun Fjords
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to know how many people out there have white dun Fjords? I have heard that this is somewhat of an undesireable color and they aren't in demand as much as the more common color of brown dun. I'm just curious to know why? Is it mostly because people identify with the brown dun color as the way a Fjord should look? I was reading in the summer issue of the Fjord Herald about grey genetics. It mentioned that there are many different kinds of grey duns. Two or three hundred kinds in fact. What is meant by kinds? Shades? If anyone has any online photos of grey dun, white dun, or yellow dun Fjords, I would very much like to see them! I quite an enthusiast for coat colors in horses of all breeds, and I would like to see more examples of these unusual and beautiful coat colors! Thank you very much, Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia
Re: Aluminum Trailers
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm starting to realize that this is the way to go, if I want to buy a new trailer... Thanks for the advice! Now I just have to find the extra money to go ALL aluminium! It'll cost me an extra $2000+ to do this! AAAGH! Sarah -- From: Paula Steinmetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Aluminum Trailers Date: Sat, Oct 2, 1999, 9:22 PM This message is from: Paula Steinmetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] I recently bought an all aluminum Featherlite 2-horse slant load. What convinced me to spend the extra $$$ on a trailer like this was seeing a friend's 14 year old Featherlite. Even today it looks as good as the day it came out of the factory. Having done the rust battle, paint jobs every couple of years, and worried about the rusting undercarriage jeopardizing the safety of my precious cargo, I was convinced that all aluminum was the way to go. I call it peace of mind insurance.
Re: Aluminium Trailers
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave; How fascinating! Could you elaborate on what electrolysis is, and how it will detrimentally affect the aluminium skin trailer type? Thank you, Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia -- From: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FjordList [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Aluminium Trailers Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998, 11:08 PM My understanding on aluminum is that any contact with steel will create electrolysis. Wherever they are next to each other they should be separated by a sheet of plastic, and connected by stainless steel bolts. So in this sense, all aluminum would be better.
Re: Sarah Vogeley and Alum Trailers
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Josie! The one I'm looking at is aluminium skin only. I hope I don't pay ALL-aluminum prices for it though! I'm also getting tired of the rust issue. We have a '93 Kiefer (excellent trailer) and it's great, but I want to not worry about it rusting; you know what I mean! Thanks again, Sarah -- From: Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Sarah Vogeley and Alum Trailers Date: Fri, Oct 1, 1999, 1:34 AM This message is from: Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Sarah, We have owned many trailers over the years. Currently we have two goosenecks, one steel and one aluminum. The steel weighs more than the aluminum though the alum is eleven feet longer due to the built-in living quarters. Every year I have to spot paint the steel due to rust. The alum needs a good washing only. I was afraid the alum would start to fall apart if we took it off-road much. But, though we have taken it repeatedly into wilderness areas, it's as sound as it was the day we bought it. They do begin to lose their shine over time but a good washing and a coat of RV teflon wax will put it quickly to rights. My Weegies like the alum better too. But I think it's because they can see their reflection (vain little beasties!). Hope this helps. Josie Larson
Aluminium Trailers
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am curious to hear of any recommendations on aluminium trailers? I have a friend who just purchased a Collin-Arndt aluminium skin trailer; I've never heard of this brand before. I don't know how much better an all aluminium constuction is than an aluminium skin; is it just a factor of rust? Just wanted to hear opinions... Thanks, Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia
Members Directory
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to know if there is a members directory for all Fjord owners in the U.S.? If so, is it obtainable by non-members? Thanks, Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia
Driving Exhibition near Richmond, VA
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I heard that there might be a couple Fjords to the driving exhibition at this weekends Polo match in Oilville, VA. I am curious to know who will be taking their Fjords? I look forward to seeing you! Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia
Re: new shoes (Borium)
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] The farrier says the borium will outlast the shoe. Does anyone have experience with borium for traction? Borium is a product that our local mounted police unit uses on their horse shoes to prevent slipping on concrete or paved surfaces. It might also allow you to reset the same shoe at least once, depending on the amount of riding you do, or playing your horse does on his or her own. It's a great product, but it does add more cost to your shoeing bill! Good luck, Sarah
Re: wrong list?
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gerry; Please don't drop the list... Sarah --
Grey Dun Fjords
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello. I am new to this list, and I currently don't own a Fjord. I would love to find a breeder of grey dun Fjords, as some day I would like to have one for driving. I live in Virginia, so breeders local to my state would be preferred. If anyone can provide me with websites to Fjords, please email me! Your help is very much appreciated. Happy Fall to everyone! The best riding is in this season, IMHO! Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
