Re: [H] Vista 64
Thanks Greg. At 07:31 PM 6/28/2008, you wrote: X86 and x64 editions are on separate discs. With Retail non-Ultimate versions, for a small S&H fee, you can request the other media from what you bought (ie: if you bought Business x86, you can get Business x64--they use the same keys). Ultimate edition retail box has both x86 and x64 DVDs. Order Vista alternate media: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/1033/ordermedia/default.mspx OEM versions, in contrast, cannot be interchanged. What you bought is all you're entitled to. Greg > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:17 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: [H] Vista 64 > > Is Vista 64 on all Retail DVDs, or is a separate purchase? If it is > on the same DVD does it give you a choice when you start to install?
Re: [H] Vista 64
X86 and x64 editions are on separate discs. With Retail non-Ultimate versions, for a small S&H fee, you can request the other media from what you bought (ie: if you bought Business x86, you can get Business x64--they use the same keys). Ultimate edition retail box has both x86 and x64 DVDs. Order Vista alternate media: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/1033/ordermedia/default.mspx OEM versions, in contrast, cannot be interchanged. What you bought is all you're entitled to. Greg > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:17 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: [H] Vista 64 > > Is Vista 64 on all Retail DVDs, or is a separate purchase? If it is > on the same DVD does it give you a choice when you start to install?
[H] Vista 64
Is Vista 64 on all Retail DVDs, or is a separate purchase? If it is on the same DVD does it give you a choice when you start to install?
Re: [H] That's got to sting
Oh, I know, and all my copies of XP are slipstreamed, but this was a re-install on a Presario from the image on the D:\ hidden partition, so I had to start with XP SP2. :) No OS is perfect, but I guess my only real point is that I am surprised by how little I miss XP and Vista for normal day to day computing.. Games are another matter entirely.. :) On Jun 28, 2008, at 4:47 PM, maccrawj wrote: > "Everything just works" should be their motto... "Until it doesn't and frakk all if you know why" "Until we move on & drop legacy support" "Unless you want to choose your own hardware" LOL, I see a real frakked future repeating the mistakes of the True Blue IBM PC days if we keep drinking Jobs' Kool-Aid! Now give me OSX for any PC & I'll mix a bit of Vodka in that Kool-Aid right away... Slipstreamed SP3 & something like autopatcher would have lowered that time significantly. Unbundled software would be an issue no matter the platform though there are ways create unattended software installs for 3rd party apps.
Re: [H] That's got to sting
> "Everything just works" should be their motto... "Until it doesn't and frakk all if you know why" "Until we move on & drop legacy support" "Unless you want to choose your own hardware" LOL, I see a real frakked future repeating the mistakes of the True Blue IBM PC days if we keep drinking Jobs' Kool-Aid! Now give me OSX for any PC & I'll mix a bit of Vodka in that Kool-Aid right away... Slipstreamed SP3 & something like autopatcher would have lowered that time significantly. Unbundled software would be an issue no matter the platform though there are ways create unattended software installs for 3rd party apps. John Steinbruner wrote: Gotta love OSX. I brought this thing home, plugged it and the mouse/KB in, fired it up, and 10 minutes later it was configured and downloading my Email for me. :) "Everything just works" should be their motto... Just rebuilt a PC last weekend with XP SP2, including the 127 updates and downloads, it took 4 hours. 'Course, that was with installing SEP, MSOffice, WinRar, Acrobat Reader, and stuff like that too.. :) I am kinda amazed at how much I like OSX for everyday mainstream stuff.. ;)
[H] Fwd: XP Locked at 640x480
Never mind, something I did fixed it. Tried different video drivers, no luck. Tried uninstall/reinstall, no luck. Tried install of latest MB drivers, acted strange as it disappeared right out of initializing install shield. Rebooted and now it's working, very strange. Steve -- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Tomporowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 4:27 PM Subject: [H] XP Locked at 640x480 To: The Hardware List System is a 3800+ X2 in a Neo Platinum 4 SLI board, Nvidia 8800GT. There are two operating systems on this computer. MCE has been running fine for a long time. Regular XP Pro was installed due to incompatibilities with installed sound card. After the MB drivers and then the Nvidia 175.16 drivers installed, now video is locked at 640x480 and 4 bit color, no other option shown. Never seen this before and not surprisingly, it looks like crap. Has anyone ever seen this before? Solutions? Going to be searching Thanks...Steve
[H] XP Locked at 640x480
System is a 3800+ X2 in a Neo Platinum 4 SLI board, Nvidia 8800GT. There are two operating systems on this computer. MCE has been running fine for a long time. Regular XP Pro was installed due to incompatibilities with installed sound card. After the MB drivers and then the Nvidia 175.16 drivers installed, now video is locked at 640x480 and 4 bit color, no other option shown. Never seen this before and not surprisingly, it looks like crap. Has anyone ever seen this before? Solutions? Going to be searching Thanks...Steve
Re: [H] That's got to sting
Forc5, I seriously doubt that you "own" that bottom-feeder label. I suspect that there a few more members of this club. I do not mind. My antique stuff just works for what I need it to do. And I still enjoy Half-Life, Quake III, Unreal, Serious Sam, Tomb Raider and MS Flight Sim. I just put up with any glitches I run into now.not many, mind you. :) Best, Duncan At 12:20 06/28/2008 -0700, you wrote: probably enough throw away stuff from this list to keep you at least a *bottom feeder* like me >:-} fp At 10:40 AM 6/28/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: >Mostly likely, I will go MAC. I am not concerned about hdw cost. I will buy as much as I can afford and then run it fully to failure. I do not tinker much anymore. I accept that I do not have bleeding edge anymore. I find it is not needed for my life/banking/commerce needs now. Still it is nice to know what is out there 'if only.' >Best, >Duncan -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- A living example of Artificial Intelligence.
Re: [H] That's got to sting
Sure it does, but mine came with a fairly recent copy of OSX, 10.5.2, so I have not needed many updates yet. :) On Jun 28, 2008, at 12:21 PM, FORC5 wrote: OSX does not do updates ? fp At 11:28 AM 6/28/2008, John Steinbruner Poked the stick with: Gotta love OSX. I brought this thing home, plugged it and the mouse/ KB in, fired it up, and 10 minutes later it was configured and downloading my Email for me. :) "Everything just works" should be their motto... Just rebuilt a PC last weekend with XP SP2, including the 127 updates and downloads, it took 4 hours. 'Course, that was with installing SEP, MSOffice, WinRar, Acrobat Reader, and stuff like that too.. :) I am kinda amazed at how much I like OSX for everyday mainstream stuff.. ;)
Re: [H] That's got to sting
probably enough throw away stuff from this list to keep you at least a *bottom feeder* like me >:-} fp At 10:40 AM 6/28/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: >Mostly likely, I will go MAC. I am not concerned about hdw cost. I will buy as >much as I can afford and then run it fully to failure. I do not tinker much >anymore. I accept that I do not have bleeding edge anymore. I find it is not >needed for my life/banking/commerce needs now. Still it is nice to know what >is out there 'if only.' >Best, >Duncan -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- A living example of Artificial Intelligence.
Re: [H] That's got to sting
OSX does not do updates ? fp At 11:28 AM 6/28/2008, John Steinbruner Poked the stick with: >Gotta love OSX. I brought this thing home, plugged it and the mouse/ KB in, >fired it up, and 10 minutes later it was configured and >downloading my Email for me. :) > >"Everything just works" should be their motto... > >Just rebuilt a PC last weekend with XP SP2, including the 127 updates >and downloads, it took 4 hours. 'Course, that was with installing >SEP, MSOffice, WinRar, Acrobat Reader, and stuff like that too.. :) > >I am kinda amazed at how much I like OSX for everyday mainstream >stuff.. ;) > > > > >On Jun 28, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Ben Ruset wrote: > >>Duncan: >> >>Mac OSX is built on top of BSD. It's the closest you can get to a >>really well polished desktop *NIX experience. Ubuntu follows a close >>second. >> >>The nice thing about Mac hardware is that it's largely compatible >>with newer versions of OSX. There are people who have 10+ year old >>PowerPC mac's that have had various hardware upgrades and are still >>fast, usable machines. It's hard to say that about standard x86 >>hardware. >> >>IMHO Apple gear is worth a look. >> >>DHSinclair wrote: >>>Ben, >>>Thanks, and, mostly I follow your comments and JoeUser's to get an >>>idea of things MAC. Now that Steine seems to be dabbling, I have >>>another viewpoint. >>>Not certain that W2K is totally EOL yet; I still get WinUpdates >>>each month. Yes, I now longer have dreams of one last "SP5" for >>>Win2K. When these stop I will decide and jump. I no longer have the >>>time and/or money to try and acquire enough legit XP copies to keep >>>my stable opsnorml. I will not go warez either. Email and web- banking is >>>very much fun, but I can still go totally black >>>(offline) and have a very competent, fully electronic "typewriter" >>>in an interim. >>>Or, I will just segregate my one XP machine to full internet status >>>and figure out how to filter it from my home LAN. Right now I am >>>focused on a major upgrade to my home, so most things computer are >>>again on hold :) >>>BSD still seems way too much cmd-line to me. Perhaps there are now >>>solid wrappers that make it easier for a guy sans programmer >>>experience. I'll give it another look though. >>>Mostly likely, I will go MAC. I am not concerned about hdw cost. I >>>will buy as much as I can afford and then run it fully to failure. >>>I do not tinker much anymore. I accept that I do not have bleeding >>>edge anymore. I find it is not needed for my life/banking/commerce >>>needs now. Still it is nice to know what is out there 'if only.' >>>Best, >>>Duncan > > >-- >JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Please remove **X** to reply... > >Facts do not cease to exist just >because they are ignored. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- A living example of Artificial Intelligence.
Re: [H] That's got to sting
Ben, Fully understand this from previous threads. I was really focused at a pure BSD/*nix kind of choice. My bad. I still have much to remember; and learn. Yes, I have several old friends (not on our list) that still use a vast array of older MAC platforms, and, oddly, we still converse test-wise. Rich-text and graphic sharing is sketchy, but doable. Yes, I will now start looking (pricing). Best, Duncan At 13:56 06/28/2008 -0400, you wrote: Duncan: Mac OSX is built on top of BSD. It's the closest you can get to a really well polished desktop *NIX experience. Ubuntu follows a close second. The nice thing about Mac hardware is that it's largely compatible with newer versions of OSX. There are people who have 10+ year old PowerPC mac's that have had various hardware upgrades and are still fast, usable machines. It's hard to say that about standard x86 hardware. IMHO Apple gear is worth a look. DHSinclair wrote: Ben, Thanks, and, mostly I follow your comments and JoeUser's to get an idea of things MAC. Now that Steine seems to be dabbling, I have another viewpoint. Not certain that W2K is totally EOL yet; I still get WinUpdates each month. Yes, I now longer have dreams of one last "SP5" for Win2K. When these stop I will decide and jump. I no longer have the time and/or money to try and acquire enough legit XP copies to keep my stable opsnorml. I will not go warez either. Email and web-banking is very much fun, but I can still go totally black (offline) and have a very competent, fully electronic "typewriter" in an interim. Or, I will just segregate my one XP machine to full internet status and figure out how to filter it from my home LAN. Right now I am focused on a major upgrade to my home, so most things computer are again on hold :) BSD still seems way too much cmd-line to me. Perhaps there are now solid wrappers that make it easier for a guy sans programmer experience. I'll give it another look though. Mostly likely, I will go MAC. I am not concerned about hdw cost. I will buy as much as I can afford and then run it fully to failure. I do not tinker much anymore. I accept that I do not have bleeding edge anymore. I find it is not needed for my life/banking/commerce needs now. Still it is nice to know what is out there 'if only.' Best, Duncan
Re: [H] That's got to sting
Hello Bryan, Saturday, June 28, 2008, 12:33:28 PM, you wrote: > Ditto, been using it for 5 years now and love it. > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:28:02AM -0700, John Steinbruner wrote: >> Gotta love OSX. I brought this thing home, plugged it and the mouse/KB >> in, fired it up, and 10 minutes later it was configured and downloading my >> Email for me. :) >> >> "Everything just works" should be their motto... >> >> Just rebuilt a PC last weekend with XP SP2, including the 127 updates and >> downloads, it took 4 hours. 'Course, that was with installing SEP, >> MSOffice, WinRar, Acrobat Reader, and stuff like that too.. :) >> >> I am kinda amazed at how much I like OSX for everyday mainstream stuff.. ;) I still have existing Win2K Pro and XP Pro installs in place and working fine. HOWEVER, I am glad I got into Apple and also into Linux (/salute Ubuntu) So when the shit hits the fan I can walk away from Microsoft for the most part and use Linux and Apple. Have 2 Ubuntu installs running fine (laptop & desktop) and 1 iMac without issue. Thank God for Microsoft though, otherwise I'd be bored and broke. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] That's got to sting
You are right. :) But I am still amazed that when I first turned it on, and told it my email addie and password during setup, and it auto-configured itself and started downloading my email in such a short amount of time. Over wireless to boot, and Pacbell.net does not use the standard ports these days, they use SSL for mail now. I could not manually configure Thunderbird or Agent or whatever in that short a time even after all these years of working with PC'S and software. :) On Jun 28, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Ben Ruset wrote: Well, to be fair, when I did my first Leopard update, it was a ~500MB update. But that also included iTunes, Quicktime, etc. updates. My only complaint with OSX is the built in keyboard on my MacBook. It's missing home, end, page up, page down, and insert. When connected to an external keyboard the home and end keys don't work like they do in Windows and Linux either. But there's ways around that. It's a minor nit pick for an otherwise flawless (to me, so far) system.
Re: [H] That's got to sting
Well, to be fair, when I did my first Leopard update, it was a ~500MB update. But that also included iTunes, Quicktime, etc. updates. My only complaint with OSX is the built in keyboard on my MacBook. It's missing home, end, page up, page down, and insert. When connected to an external keyboard the home and end keys don't work like they do in Windows and Linux either. But there's ways around that. It's a minor nit pick for an otherwise flawless (to me, so far) system. John Steinbruner wrote: Gotta love OSX. I brought this thing home, plugged it and the mouse/KB in, fired it up, and 10 minutes later it was configured and downloading my Email for me. :) "Everything just works" should be their motto... Just rebuilt a PC last weekend with XP SP2, including the 127 updates and downloads, it took 4 hours. 'Course, that was with installing SEP, MSOffice, WinRar, Acrobat Reader, and stuff like that too.. :) I am kinda amazed at how much I like OSX for everyday mainstream stuff.. ;)
Re: [H] That's got to sting
Ditto, been using it for 5 years now and love it. On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:28:02AM -0700, John Steinbruner wrote: > Gotta love OSX. I brought this thing home, plugged it and the mouse/KB > in, fired it up, and 10 minutes later it was configured and downloading my > Email for me. :) > > "Everything just works" should be their motto... > > Just rebuilt a PC last weekend with XP SP2, including the 127 updates and > downloads, it took 4 hours. 'Course, that was with installing SEP, > MSOffice, WinRar, Acrobat Reader, and stuff like that too.. :) > > I am kinda amazed at how much I like OSX for everyday mainstream stuff.. ;) > > > > > On Jun 28, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Ben Ruset wrote: > >> Duncan: >> >> Mac OSX is built on top of BSD. It's the closest you can get to a really >> well polished desktop *NIX experience. Ubuntu follows a close second. >> >> The nice thing about Mac hardware is that it's largely compatible with >> newer versions of OSX. There are people who have 10+ year old PowerPC >> mac's that have had various hardware upgrades and are still fast, usable >> machines. It's hard to say that about standard x86 hardware. >> >> IMHO Apple gear is worth a look. >> >> DHSinclair wrote: >>> Ben, >>> Thanks, and, mostly I follow your comments and JoeUser's to get an idea >>> of things MAC. Now that Steine seems to be dabbling, I have another >>> viewpoint. >>> Not certain that W2K is totally EOL yet; I still get WinUpdates each >>> month. Yes, I now longer have dreams of one last "SP5" for Win2K. When >>> these stop I will decide and jump. I no longer have the time and/or money >>> to try and acquire enough legit XP copies to keep my stable opsnorml. I >>> will not go warez either. Email and web-banking is very much fun, but I >>> can still go totally black (offline) and have a very competent, fully >>> electronic "typewriter" in an interim. >>> Or, I will just segregate my one XP machine to full internet status and >>> figure out how to filter it from my home LAN. Right now I am focused on a >>> major upgrade to my home, so most things computer are again on >>> hold :) >>> BSD still seems way too much cmd-line to me. Perhaps there are now solid >>> wrappers that make it easier for a guy sans programmer experience. I'll >>> give it another look though. >>> Mostly likely, I will go MAC. I am not concerned about hdw cost. I will >>> buy as much as I can afford and then run it fully to failure. I do not >>> tinker much anymore. I accept that I do not have bleeding edge anymore. I >>> find it is not needed for my life/banking/commerce needs now. Still it is >>> nice to know what is out there 'if only.' >>> Best, >>> Duncan > > > -- > JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please remove **X** to reply... > > Facts do not cease to exist just > because they are ignored. -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] That's got to sting
Gotta love OSX. I brought this thing home, plugged it and the mouse/ KB in, fired it up, and 10 minutes later it was configured and downloading my Email for me. :) "Everything just works" should be their motto... Just rebuilt a PC last weekend with XP SP2, including the 127 updates and downloads, it took 4 hours. 'Course, that was with installing SEP, MSOffice, WinRar, Acrobat Reader, and stuff like that too.. :) I am kinda amazed at how much I like OSX for everyday mainstream stuff.. ;) On Jun 28, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Ben Ruset wrote: Duncan: Mac OSX is built on top of BSD. It's the closest you can get to a really well polished desktop *NIX experience. Ubuntu follows a close second. The nice thing about Mac hardware is that it's largely compatible with newer versions of OSX. There are people who have 10+ year old PowerPC mac's that have had various hardware upgrades and are still fast, usable machines. It's hard to say that about standard x86 hardware. IMHO Apple gear is worth a look. DHSinclair wrote: Ben, Thanks, and, mostly I follow your comments and JoeUser's to get an idea of things MAC. Now that Steine seems to be dabbling, I have another viewpoint. Not certain that W2K is totally EOL yet; I still get WinUpdates each month. Yes, I now longer have dreams of one last "SP5" for Win2K. When these stop I will decide and jump. I no longer have the time and/or money to try and acquire enough legit XP copies to keep my stable opsnorml. I will not go warez either. Email and web- banking is very much fun, but I can still go totally black (offline) and have a very competent, fully electronic "typewriter" in an interim. Or, I will just segregate my one XP machine to full internet status and figure out how to filter it from my home LAN. Right now I am focused on a major upgrade to my home, so most things computer are again on hold :) BSD still seems way too much cmd-line to me. Perhaps there are now solid wrappers that make it easier for a guy sans programmer experience. I'll give it another look though. Mostly likely, I will go MAC. I am not concerned about hdw cost. I will buy as much as I can afford and then run it fully to failure. I do not tinker much anymore. I accept that I do not have bleeding edge anymore. I find it is not needed for my life/banking/commerce needs now. Still it is nice to know what is out there 'if only.' Best, Duncan -- JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please remove **X** to reply... Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored.
Re: [H] That's got to sting
Duncan: Mac OSX is built on top of BSD. It's the closest you can get to a really well polished desktop *NIX experience. Ubuntu follows a close second. The nice thing about Mac hardware is that it's largely compatible with newer versions of OSX. There are people who have 10+ year old PowerPC mac's that have had various hardware upgrades and are still fast, usable machines. It's hard to say that about standard x86 hardware. IMHO Apple gear is worth a look. DHSinclair wrote: Ben, Thanks, and, mostly I follow your comments and JoeUser's to get an idea of things MAC. Now that Steine seems to be dabbling, I have another viewpoint. Not certain that W2K is totally EOL yet; I still get WinUpdates each month. Yes, I now longer have dreams of one last "SP5" for Win2K. When these stop I will decide and jump. I no longer have the time and/or money to try and acquire enough legit XP copies to keep my stable opsnorml. I will not go warez either. Email and web-banking is very much fun, but I can still go totally black (offline) and have a very competent, fully electronic "typewriter" in an interim. Or, I will just segregate my one XP machine to full internet status and figure out how to filter it from my home LAN. Right now I am focused on a major upgrade to my home, so most things computer are again on hold :) BSD still seems way too much cmd-line to me. Perhaps there are now solid wrappers that make it easier for a guy sans programmer experience. I'll give it another look though. Mostly likely, I will go MAC. I am not concerned about hdw cost. I will buy as much as I can afford and then run it fully to failure. I do not tinker much anymore. I accept that I do not have bleeding edge anymore. I find it is not needed for my life/banking/commerce needs now. Still it is nice to know what is out there 'if only.' Best, Duncan
Re: [H] That's got to sting
Ben, Thanks, and, mostly I follow your comments and JoeUser's to get an idea of things MAC. Now that Steine seems to be dabbling, I have another viewpoint. Not certain that W2K is totally EOL yet; I still get WinUpdates each month. Yes, I now longer have dreams of one last "SP5" for Win2K. When these stop I will decide and jump. I no longer have the time and/or money to try and acquire enough legit XP copies to keep my stable opsnorml. I will not go warez either. Email and web-banking is very much fun, but I can still go totally black (offline) and have a very competent, fully electronic "typewriter" in an interim. Or, I will just segregate my one XP machine to full internet status and figure out how to filter it from my home LAN. Right now I am focused on a major upgrade to my home, so most things computer are again on hold :) BSD still seems way too much cmd-line to me. Perhaps there are now solid wrappers that make it easier for a guy sans programmer experience. I'll give it another look though. Mostly likely, I will go MAC. I am not concerned about hdw cost. I will buy as much as I can afford and then run it fully to failure. I do not tinker much anymore. I accept that I do not have bleeding edge anymore. I find it is not needed for my life/banking/commerce needs now. Still it is nice to know what is out there 'if only.' Best, Duncan At 12:34 06/28/2008 -0400, you wrote: I think Win2k has been end-of-lifed for a while now. I know that during the last timezone change, MS released patches for XP and up and people were forced to write "unofficial" patches for 2k. You'd probably like OSX. It's simple on the UI side, but if you want to tinker, there's a whole BSD system a bash prompt away. It's incredibly refreshing. So nice to be able to NFS mount my Netapp from my own workstation... DHSinclair wrote: working years at Xerox and the USArmy. Once MS support for W2K stops, I will just find another hobby; or, maybe trade in all my Windows toys in and buy a MAC.
Re: [H] That's got to sting
I think Win2k has been end-of-lifed for a while now. I know that during the last timezone change, MS released patches for XP and up and people were forced to write "unofficial" patches for 2k. You'd probably like OSX. It's simple on the UI side, but if you want to tinker, there's a whole BSD system a bash prompt away. It's incredibly refreshing. So nice to be able to NFS mount my Netapp from my own workstation... DHSinclair wrote: working years at Xerox and the USArmy. Once MS support for W2K stops, I will just find another hobby; or, maybe trade in all my Windows toys in and buy a MAC.
Re: [H] That's got to sting
LOL. If you remember, though, I was never all that interested in keeping up with the absolute bleeding edge hardware choices. I was never a gamer, so my needs are probably more "mainstream" than a lot of other people on the list. I've worked on laptops exclusively since 2000 or so. By default my hardware choices are limited. maccrawj wrote: LOL, miss it or not, you being frakked on hardware choices! Pass the KY the Kool-Aid is wearing off.
Re: [H] That's got to sting
Thane, OK, I completely misunderstood your point until this addition. My apologies completely. And, I suppose I never did understand the full background of Winterlight's original share. Again, my bad. As, this seems to maybe now focused on X64, it is possible that much of this kerfuffle is somewhat similar to all the hoopla back when personal computers and sw changed from x8 to x16 to x32? I just do not see x64 anytime in my future ATM. Sorry. Perhaps Intel is being a bit pissy about Vista support, but Intel does have a broader support horizon than MS does. Intel does have to try and maintain compatibility across many operating system. I do understand that MS does have to worry about its' code playing-nice on various hdw mfgs wares, but due to MS' stature as the 600# gorilla, it seems like most hdw mfgs remain acutely aware of the gorilla, and build accordingly. Intel notwithstanding! JMHO. Maybe what is beyond Vista is possible (as I hear that XP leaves the shelves on Monday 6/03). Until then, W2Ksp4 is fully solid for me. I have now had experience with 11 MS os's between hobby-time at home and working years at Xerox and the USArmy. Once MS support for W2K stops, I will just find another hobby; or, maybe trade in all my Windows toys in and buy a MAC. Best, Duncan culpaAt 09:37 06/27/2008 -0300, you wrote: Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I'm not a Vista fan. I agree with Intel sticking XP. I was just pointing out why MS might be irritated with Intel. (There is also the fact that when the biggest CPU vendor ignores your latest OS, that's not a good sign.) Of course, MS is selling Vista with the slogan "But you can downgrade to XP!" so clearly they aren't enamoured of Vista either. As to how many people are affected by my choice, I'd say I help at least 20 people per month make a decision on a computer purchase (some of these are on purchases of 10-50 computers) so I affect at least 100 computer purchases a month directly, and problably 250 a month indirectly. So that's at least 1200 a year. So yes, my opinion is important, and I'm pushing my customers to stick with XP. (Sorry I wasn't clearer on this.) T At 08:08 PM 26/06/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, I would really love do shove some love toward MS, but, sadly, I am out of love here. I am looking a major money upgrades just to go to XP. But, it is on the chopping block. I live very happily on W2Ksp4, thank you. I know, UCan tell me to get on with it. My question is WHY? I am still wondering about windown XP. If you believe big corporate IT depts just deal with this stuff as "business as usual" sorry. Thane, it just does not happen. I think I understand your operation. You are the single person that gets to make the decision. Fine. How many folk get affected by your choice? Please write me back when your enterprise has >400K bodies using 'windows.' And, you make your decision. Perhaps you have lots of cash in the bank to cover contingencies.' Yes, a bit of a shot, but not a big one, I hope. Personally, MS deserves no "love" except for foisting it on all of us. Yes, Windows is better than MS-DOS. But then, that is just me (and I can take all the bad for admitting this!) OK-hdw did not stay in track with MS. So what? OK-I forgot the question. Is my hdw decision dependent upon which OS I choose to use? I certainly hope not. Certainly reads this way, however.. :) Best, Duncan At 19:17 06/26/2008 -0300, you wrote: Well MS kept back 64 bit XP until Intel fixed their CPUs so that AMD wouldn't have a big jump on Intel in that department - I'd think MS would be expecting some love in return. T At 07:06 PM 26/06/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Winterlight, I does appear that "business" just does not support Vista. (yet). I can not say I blame them (based on the vitriol I have read on this list.) Even so. Why do you expect Intel and/or AMD to march in lock-step with whatever S. Balmer dictates? Intel/AMD does hardware. MS does software. We all know that there is plenty of SW that works fine on the current/future hardware? Is this divided loyalty? Is this about a bit of "fan-boy?" I just do not understand your vent. Best, Duncan At 08:55 06/26/2008 -0700, you wrote: Reports: Intel to skip Vista upgrade For any given release of Windows, there are companies that choose to skip it. But when the company is Intel, it's a big deal. Following a report Monday on the Inquirer, the New York Times reported Wednesday that Intel's IT department "found no compelling case" for upgrading. Ouch. And that's despite the fact that it's been nearly seven years since XP debuted. It's not a good thing, if your customers are electing to stick with 7-year-old technology. (In fairness, XP did get a fairly big update with Windows XP Service Pack 2, but even that is four years old at this point.) Microsoft, which once predicted businesses would adopt Vista at twice the rate they moved to XP, has scaled back
Re: [H] cpu coolers ? Az in the summer :{(
not the greatest but I am using this to monitor temps and speeds, cool and
quiet controls voltages and fans but I prefer my fans quiet and full speed.
Just found one called Silenz, the 120x38 moves 90cfm @ 18dba. :{) Asus sw
does log over temps and fan under speeds which is all I'm after.
haven't decided on a heatsink yet, do not want to remove the MB which limits me
some.
contenders are
thelmalright ultra 120 or si-128 coupled with a silenze 120x25 63 cpm 16dba fan
or the 90cfm one. only 3 wire power connector but fans are so quiet NBD
or thermaltakes big typhone vx, do not like their clip and manual speed
controlled fan.
I seem to like the fan blowing towards the cpu even with heatpipes. :{(
couple of others no need to mention.
fp
At 08:03 PM 6/27/2008, maccrawj Poked the stick with:
>I know Asus makes the software, I was saying IT SUX! :(
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>Asus Probe2 is Intrusive, no logging, memory hog, interferes with network
>printing, junk. No specs or source code from Asus, so a big "FU" if you don't
>like their crap.
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