Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
it's a case of i'm right and the whole world didn't figure it out right anyhow, i'm leaving that place very soon On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:02:38 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/22/2006 at 08:17 PM, Ambat Ravi Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: my current employer believes in doing just that: applying to live system. Who's going to wind up holding the bag when the balloon goes up? -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Monitoring tool for STK 9310
how was it done prior to XE ? and what sort of monitoring is being conducted ? isn't messages on console sufficient ? else some automation packages (AF/Operator, etc) can help - depending on your needs. the picture still isn't clear to me - sorry. - ravi. On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:10:57 -0700, Roland P. Chung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ambat, one of my client is installing the Omegamon XE for Storage product montorring. We just discovered recently that the product does not provide interface EXIT to monitor the STK tape libraries. This was confirmed by IBM. We need to find another product that can do the job until IBM can provide this function at the end of this year in Omegamon XE. With best regards, ...Roland Chung Senior Technical Specialist (S/390,VM/VSE,DB2/VSEVM) MAXC Consultants Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
intermittently session failure
i migrate remote 3174 to CISCO router in place of 3745. we have a problem that some control units timed out and disconnect then connect each 5 seconds. the control unit is connected thru modem to serial interface. the interface configured as SDLC. _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
FTP PUT of a temporary dataset
Can I PUT a temporary dataset using FTP... For example, I have a job where the last thing it should do is slap some results over to a GDG on another machine. I'd really like to be able to: PUT TEMPDSN 'SOME.REMOTE.GDG.BASE(+1)' However, TEMPDSN doesn't appear to get resolved to it's real temporary name. Can you only FTP PUT cataloged datasets? Is there some way of referring to a DD name instead of the real name of the dataset itself? For example: PUT DD:REPFILE 'SOME.REMOTE.GDG.BASE(+1)' I can't find anything in TCP/IP manuals indicating I can do this, but I thought I'd ask the collective before I start cataloging transient datasets. -- Steve Despair - It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fw: IXC102A automated by SFM ?
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:41:20 -0700, Skip Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To shut down, we VARY XCF OFF. The HMC beeps and turns red. We move on. No system reset. Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject Re: Fw: IXC102A automated by SFM ? What do you do to shutdown? The red icons indicate that the LPAR is not running, meaning that it is in STOP state or some sort of error state, so you must have done something. System reset is generally a good thing on a shutdown system. Among other things, it does a selective reset to every I/O device, which releases any RESERVES or pending conditions, resets path group definitions, and generally clears the device. -- Bruce A. Black Skip, If you do not system reset before replying 'DOWN', it is possible that the outgoing system may still have I/O in flight while the other systems' peer applications are recovering for the demise of their partner. This can lead to data integrity issues. As Bruce points out, the system reset has the effect of purging outstanding I/O, which prevents this situation. If the target system's I/O is known to have completed, the other systems can safely take over whatever resources its applications were using without fear of unserialized collision. In most cases, by the time you see the outgoing system stopped, its I/O is also complete. But that isn't guaranteed unless you system reset. So, yes, you have been lucky to avoid problems. Bill Neiman z/OS Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: intermittently session failure
Abdullah, Please post the NCP definition of a typical 3174, that is the GROUP, LINE and PU statements (don't bother about LU statements). Also post the specifications you have used with your Cisco machine software - is it SNASw with DLSw+ perhaps? I assume the 3274 control units worked quite happily with NCP/3745 so the 3174 customization is perfectly usable. It may be that the idle polling from the primary side, the Cisco machine, is too infrequent. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: Abdullah AlShaalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, 24 April, 2006 12:14 PM Subject: intermittently session failure i migrate remote 3174 to CISCO router in place of 3745. we have a problem that some control units timed out and disconnect then connect each 5 seconds. the control unit is connected thru modem to serial interface. the interface configured as SDLC. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP PUT of a temporary dataset
Walt's link is all you need, but the short version is //DD:REPFILE The earlier (current?) versions of the FTP manual manage to hide this feature like they were ashamed of it or something, but as a result of my grumbling in this forum I was contacted by the head of IP documentation and they have changed the organization of the manual so the DD support is now more obvious - but I don't know if the changes made it into V1R7 or not. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walt Farrell Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP PUT of a temporary dataset On 4/24/2006 7:28 AM, Steve Flynn wrote: Can I PUT a temporary dataset using FTP... For example, I have a job where the last thing it should do is slap some results over to a GDG on another machine. I'd really like to be able to: ...snipped... PUT DD:REPFILE 'SOME.REMOTE.GDG.BASE(+1)' I can't find anything in TCP/IP manuals indicating I can do this, but I thought I'd ask the collective before I start cataloging transient datasets. See http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/f1a1b950/4.2.4?SH ELF=EZ2ZO10GDT=20050708142126 or http://makeashorterlink.com/?F6DD2610D -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re-Scheduled Enterprise Security Meeting *** GSE UK ***
All, The Re-scheduled Enterprise Security Guide meeting will take place on the 8th June 2006. The location will be either IBM Southbank or Bedfont Lakes; I am awaiting confirmation and will let you know ASAP. The Agenda is setout below. If you would like to attend this meeting please send an email to myself at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will register you for the vent. Start End Topic Who 09:00 09:30 Arrive at meeting coffee All 09:30 10:00 Introduction GSE Working Group Business: a.. Membership b.. Annual Conference c.. Future Venues d.. Future Topics Dave McRoberts 10.00 10:15 10:30 10:45 10:15 10:30 10:45 11::00 Vendor Updates a.. Vanguard a.. CA a.. Innovation a.. Software Europe/Consul TBC Graham Tapper Richard Suggitt TBC 11:15 12:15 IBM Encryption Facilities Keith George (IBM) 12:15 12:45 Why De-Provisioning is important CA 12:45 13:30 Lunch All 13:30 14:30 Security Architectures Martin Borrat/Dave McRoberts 14:30 15:00 Hints Tips All 15:00 15:30 Coffee All 15:30 16:45 RACF Update Covering changes made in zOS 1.6, 1.7 announced for 1.8 Mark Wilson 16:45 17:00 Round Up Finish Dave McRoberts Kind Regards Mark Wilson Mobile: +44 (0) 7768 617006 Chairman GSE Large Systems Working Group eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP PUT of a temporary dataset
In a recent note, Walt Farrell said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:41:59 -0400 On 4/24/2006 7:28 AM, Steve Flynn wrote: ...snipped... PUT DD:REPFILE 'SOME.REMOTE.GDG.BASE(+1)' Is FTP GDG-savvy? There's a long litany of problems accessing GDG generations by any method other than JCL DD allocation. I see: 4.8 z/OS V1R7.0 Comm Svr: IP User's Guide and Commands 4.8 Generation data group support ... You cannot use FTP to create a new GDG, ... And, in the next paragraph: ... Therefore, when creating a new GDG [ ... ], at least one of the following must be true: ... ??? So, they tell me I can't do it, then proceed to tell me the rules for doing it? Needs editorial revision. http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/f1a1b950/4.2.4?SHELF=EZ2ZO10GDT=20050708142126 Wherein I note: 4.2.4 z/OS V1R7.0 Comm Svr: IP User's Guide and Commands 4.2.4 DD name support The FTP Client API does not support DD name transfers. The DD names associated with a batch job that invokes an application program using the FTP Client API are not available to the spawned FTP client process. That's pretty harsh. What was the design rationale for spawning the client process rather than using a more DD name friendly mechanism such as ATTACH? Is there any security concern that would preclude running an FTP server task in the same address space as the caller? But, I wondered, could one use DYNALLOC (BPXWDYN) to capture the volume and provide that to FTP? So, in the same publication: 5.34 z/OS V1R7.0 Comm Svr: IP User's Guide and Commands 5.34 LOCSIte subcommand--Specify site information to the local host VOLume Specifies the volume serial number for allocation of new data sets. Alas, the operant word is new. What was the design rationale for not applying LOCSITE VOLUME likewise to existing data sets? I note that the API restriction does not apply to invoking FTP in a batch job step. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/os 1.7 install
Dennis, Besides reading the book that John pointed you too, I'd suggest a mod-9 is NOT overkill. Just out Root, and Java filesystems together on 1.6 are 50,612 tracks. Regarding SYSRES, we just use a single mod-27 to house all targets, and SMPE controlled HFS(non-SMS managed) datasets, and a mod-27 to house all DLIBS, + SMPPTS's, etc. Both are running about 80% utilization. We then clone the target sysres to additional mod-27's to use as the actual running sysres volumes. Works good for us. Dave Dave Jousma Principal Systems Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 616.653.8429 Dennis Leong schreef: We are getting ready to install z/os 1.7. Would 3 3390-mod9 be sufficent without wasting too much space (75% utilization or more is good)? One of the mod-9 would be sms managed for the USS HFS and I think that this may be overkill - perhaps a mod-3 would suffice? Thank you. This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP PUT of a temporary dataset
In a recent note, Steve Flynn said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:27:51 +0100 PUT TEMPDSN 'SOME.REMOTE.GDG.BASE(+1)' However, TEMPDSN doesn't appear to get resolved to it's real temporary name. I had believed the name construct is a JCL interpreter facility, available in no other context. Is there anywhere other than a JCL DD statement where name is effective? -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Status Of DASD Unit
Good Morning Can anyone tell me what the F means when I display a dasd unit? UNIT TYPE STATUSVOLSER VOLSTATE 924A 3390 F-NRD /RSDNT Thanks - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Status Of DASD Unit
Can anyone tell me what the F means when I display a dasd unit? UNIT TYPE STATUSVOLSER VOLSTATE 924A 3390 F-NRD /RSDNT F short for OFFLINE and NRD is NOT READY. If the device was READY, it should just show as OFFLINE. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fw: IXC102A automated by SFM ?
- Original Message From: Bill Neiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Walter, When the documentation speaks about automating IXC102A, what it really means is that the system will not issue IXC102A at all, with SFM set up appropriately in a parallel sysplex. Barbara is correct - in a parallel sysplex, SFM can isolate the outgoing system by fencing it from the I/O subsystem, as long as there is a CF having connectivity to both the outgoing system and some other system in the plex that can initiate the isolation. You cannot achieve this function in a basic sysplex. Bill, I believe what you states, unfortunately I didn't understood that reading the book. Yes, Barbara is correct about isolating a system from the plex, but my point was another one. If you have a basic plex and you want to let SFM automate a system reset of a LPAR for a planning system shutdown, these stmts SYSTEM NAME(*) RESETTIME(20) in the SFM policy works fine. This is what I have experienced so far, and I would be grateful to you if you can confirm the following: 1. V XCF,my_lpar,OFF 2. R xx,SYSNAME=my_lpar ... system waits cleanup time (defined in COUPLExx), then goes in 0A2 ... ... system waits reset time (defined in SFM) then SFM resets the lpar 3. msg IXC102A pops up, having SFM reset the lpar I can safely reply R xx, DOWN (or automate the reply using my automation package) Sorry for being persistent on this, but I don't want to play with the fire, nor explaining rubbish to my operating staff. Best regards Walter Marguccio -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Status Of DASD Unit
Willie, If you look up the message ID (should be like an IEE message) with this display you would find that it means that the dasd unit is offline. NRD means not ready. So you need to have someone vary the device online. If that does not work, then you would need to have someone do a display of the dasd matrix and see if the paths are available. If that does not work you would need someone verify the hardware is connected to the system. Since I do not know if this is escon attached, a virtual device defined like dased, or other, this is the only advice I can offer at this time. But do use LOOKAT or use the MVS Messages and Codes manuals. They explain messages very well. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP PUT of a temporary dataset
Are you/they perhaps confusing create a new GDG [new group] with create a new generation of an existing GDG? I *think* FTP can do the latter but not the former. All of the why questions are valid but as useless as many why questions. Why did they do it that way? Because they did. Why they didn't bring the DD support over into the new API is utterly beyond me also, but I gave up questioning these IBM design decisions back about 1972. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP PUT of a temporary dataset -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fw: IXC102A automated by SFM ?
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 04/21/2006 09:37:14 PM: To shut down, we VARY XCF OFF. The HMC beeps and turns red. We move on. No system reset. The VARY XCF OFF puts the system in a wait state, thus the red icon. But it does not do a system reset. Obviously you can get away without it, but I recommend it APAR OY36587 on SP4.1.0 (around 1991) added support for a System Control Program Initiated Reset. When MVS loads a disabled wait state (for example, the 0A2 wait state which results from VARY XCF OFF), MVS issues a Diagnose instruction to initiate the reset and load the disabled wait (assuming the processor environment supports this function, which is indicated by SCCBIRIN in IHASCCB). Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fw: IXC102A automated by SFM ?
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:33:04 -0700, Skip Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without mining thru previous posts--I thought the dangling issue was the last system down, where SFM no longer has the power to initiate a cleanup. Isn't that the case where system reset is proposed as necessary? Also without mining thru previous posts, I *didn't* think it was the last system we were talking about. Otherwise, there would be no system left active to see the reply down message to begin with. So I think you are safe. I doubt our operations ever SYSTEM RESETs the last system out of a plex here either. Even if there was an outstanding RESERVE, who would it hurt since no other systems are sharing at that point. The only way it could hurt is if the last system down was not the first system up in the sysplex (which is SOP, and if it wasn't operations would be more confused by the messages when they IPL the wrong system first) and if a volume that has RESERVEs issued against it is shared outside the scope of the sysplex (we have one volume that falls in that category for HSC/VTCS). Cheers, Mark -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Monitoring tool for STK 9310
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:48:59 -0400, Roland Chung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Listers, my client is looking for a software package for monitorring the STK tape libraries. They are at z/OS 1.5. Any suggestion will be appreciated. What do you want to monitor? Cell free space? What is where? There is SLUADMIN for reports on what's in the library (part of HSC). There are SMF records. MXG can report on them I think or you can RYO. There is ExLM to manage movement of tapes, free cells per LSM, scratch tapes, etc. There is also ExPR which is an Sun-Tek product for monitoring perforance and capacity of their libraries and VSM. Admitingly I don't know too much about this one (even though we are licensed for it). Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Monitoring tool for STK 9310
If you are looking for charts based on STK's user SMF records, my company has a product that will do that. Check our website or contact me offlist if you want more information. Regards, Mark Vitale Senior Software Engineer Telephone 610.865.0300 (ext. 138) ISM - The power behind great IT decisions Visit us at www.perfman.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland Chung Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Monitoring tool for STK 9310 Hi Listers, my client is looking for a software package for monitorring the STK tape libraries. They are at z/OS 1.5. Any suggestion will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- With best regards, ...Roland Chung Senior Technical Specialist (S/390,VM/VSE,DB2/VSEVM) MAXC Consultants Inc. Voice/Fax: 416-469-3280 (If busy, call: 416-469-2268) 197 Hastings Ave., Toronto, Ontario, Canada. M4L 2L6 *Life is short. Stop once in a while and smell the roses.* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Binder REP Cards (Was: What's the linkage editor really wants?)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/24/2006 at 01:29 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Check this out. It appears to be CMS HELP for the LOAD command. It includes a description of the REP card but also a VER card. Thanks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Binder REP Cards (Was: What's the linkage editor really wants?)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/24/2006 at 01:46 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The conjecture may be mine. The operating system was *not* DOS (VSE) or VM. I'm pretty sure it was the usual smaller OS of the time, VS1 was it mot? OS/VS1 was the follow-on to OS/360 MFT II. While smaller than MVS, it was arguably larger than OS/VS2 R1 (SVS) and certainly larger than DOS/VS and DOS/VSE. I would never have had occasion to check whether OS/VS1 supported REP; my OS/VS experience was with OS/VS2 and by then I had effectively abandoned EAM cards. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP PUT of a temporary dataset
On Monday 24 April 2006 08:58, Charles Mills wrote: ... the short version is //DD:REPFILE The earlier (current?) versions of the FTP manual manage to hide this feature like they were ashamed of it or something, . My understanding (I may be wrong) is that support for //DD:ddname was a by-product of a change in one of the C routines used by the FTP client, i.e. it's not something that resulted from a change in the code for the FTP client itself. ISTR //DD:ddname was introduced in OS/390 R9 or R10. A few releases later (z/OS 1.2 IIRC), VSAM support became available in the FTP client through the same mechanism, but it's neither documented not supported. Again, this is my understanding, don't take my word for it. -- Gilbert Saint-Flour GSF Software http://gsf-soft.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need Help defining an AS400 with an IP address to the mainframe
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/24/2006 at 02:26 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think the text you found logically, if not chronologically, precedes the introduction of the type 2.1 node and the introduction of the control point as the entity managing the node rather than always the PU. Chronologically, which is why I made sure to mention that it was old. But the PUCP was already there. If you have a recent FAPL manual, is there a section on nomenclature around p I-8? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TOD Clock the same as the BIOS clock in PCs?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/23/2006 at 06:08 PM, John S. Giltner, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Any OS can support the hardware clock for the platform it is running on to be set to local time or UTC. Where did I imply that a OS can support hardware that is not there? The text that you quoted above, because some hardware platforms do not contain a hardware clock that can be set to either. I said that it can support what the platform supplies. You said more than that; you made a claim as to how it could be set. Again, I stated that OS can support what the platform supplies. Again, you stated more than that. So a TOD clock does not supply the time of day? Red herrings! Get your red herrings while they're fresh. I didn't say that the TOD clock can't supply the time of day; I said that tw different pieces of hardware weren't supplying the same function. However that is one of the functions it does do and that function can be compared with hardware clocks on other platforms (at least those platforms that supply hardware clocks). Only with some of the platforms that supply hardware clocks. I did go and read the POP and it seems to imply that the TOD clock only provides the time of day. That there are two other timers that do the clock comparator and CPU synchronization and that these three clocks together provide the timer functions for z/Series hardware. There are only two timing facilities; CPU and TOD. The clock comparator compares the value in the TOD clock. Again, according to the POP, some of the other functions you mention are not provided by the TOD clock, but by other clocks all considered part of the mainframe timer facilities. There is nothing in the PoOps about a third clock. Is the TOD clock like a RTC/CMOS clock? Which? The PC has several different timing facilities. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TSO COLUMNS Command
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/23/2006 at 11:06 AM, willie bunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Subject: TSO COLUMNS Command Do you mean ISPF? I would like to just view columns 50 -55 when in edit/browse mode in a dsn. ISPF EDIT and VIEW provide a line command called BNDS that can be used to limit the scope of editing commands. In addition, you can specify columns in some editing commands, e.g., FIND. Also, can we do an INCLUDE or EXCLUDE when performing a FIND command. The options X and NX limit the find to excluded lines and non-excluded lines, respectively. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TOD Clock the same as the BIOS clock in PCs?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TOD Clock the same as the BIOS clock in PCs? Date: Date: Mon, Apr 24 2006 4:36 am which was probably brought to you by the same people who have a bizarre collating sequence where zero follows 9 (see your local keyboard or telephone keypad for examples). I think that the zero really means ten. At least it did, back in the pulse days. No. Zero means zero. Since it was difficult to count zero pulses, it was represented by ten pulses instead, hence its position on the rotary dial. _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Binder REP Cards (Was: What's the linkage editor really wants?)
However CMS LOAD rejects a SYM card as invalid. Assembler generates it, LOAD hiccups. Chris Mason wrote: Shmuel, Check this out. It appears to be CMS HELP for the LOAD command. It includes a description of the REP card but also a VER card. -- Chris Langford, Cestrian Software: Consulting services for: VM, VSE, MVS, z/VM, z/OS, OS/2, P/3x0 etc. z/FM - A toolbox for VM MVS at http://zfm.cestrian.com Deva Woodcrafting: Furniture creation, House remodeling, Wagon restoration etc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fw: IXC102A automated by SFM ?
Jim Mulder wrote: APAR OY36587 on SP4.1.0 (around 1991) added support for a System Control Program Initiated Reset. When MVS loads a disabled wait state (for example, the 0A2 wait state which results from VARY XCF OFF), MVS issues a Diagnose instruction to initiate the reset and load the disabled wait (assuming the processor environment supports this function, which is indicated by SCCBIRIN in IHASCCB). How funny! I was just going to suggest that someone modify MVS to initiate the RESET just before it loads the disabled WAIT. Glad to see it's already been done! Now, if someone can just figure out a way to inform my SE/HMC that there is no need to record the _intended and deliberate_ disabled wait as a hardware failure, I'll be happy. Deleting hardware failure false alarms every time we IPL an LPAR on our z800 is tiring. Has this already been addressed with the latest and greatest gear? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PDSEs in LNKLST at IPL can't be deleted
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/23/2006 at 08:48 PM, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If the appropriate SETPROG is issued, each address space gets the new linklist. Isn't there still some code in the system that uses the original DEB? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Status Of DASD Unit
F-NRD offline, not ready willie bunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] OO.COMTo Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Mainframe cc Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject .EDU Status Of DASD Unit 04/24/2006 10:31 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU Good Morning Can anyone tell me what the F means when I display a dasd unit? UNIT TYPE STATUSVOLSER VOLSTATE 924A 3390 F-NRD /RSDNT Thanks - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Disclaimer: The information contained in this communication is confidential and only for the use of the intended addressee(s). If you have received this communication in error, any disclosure or use of such information is strictly prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z8 ???
SNAPSHOT: Please join us for an IBM System z9 Business Class announcement on Thursday, April 27 at 16:30 UK. Who thinks of these things, and do they have ANY contact with reality? OK, guys. We've had an increasingly tough time over the past couple of decades, mostly because of IBM's software price gouging. Not to mention its asshole lawyer. But c'mon - when was the last time a paid mainframe employee flew Business Class at company expense? I thought bc stood for Business Computer. Now that makes a bit of sense. But Business Class? You get there just the same, but pay 60% more and get a free orange juice. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need Help defining an AS400 with an IP address to the mainframe
USSTAB - fine - but why only some of the LUs? To reply to that question only, you don't need USSTAB's for printers. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:40:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when was the last time a paid mainframe employee flew Business Class at company expense? October, 1998 was my last time. It all depends on who your employer is, how profitable they are, their travel policy, and how far the trip is. I flew from Boston to Johannesburg, my employer was extremely profitable, and I qualified under their policy because flying each way took about 18 hours. It was wonderful. And I had a lot more than a free orange juice; e.g., there was free food and booze in the exclusive waiting lounges at Logan and Heathrow. You get there just the same, but pay 60% more and get a free orange juice. You also have a LOT more leg room, elbow room, comfort in general, and storage space for carry-on items. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need Help defining an AS400 with an IP address to the mainframe
Some of these questions I am asking the originator of the project and have not gotten an answer yet. Some I can answer: Yes, all of the sessions are 5250/3270, some are printers, but they are still considered 'of that type'. The other 3 questions will remain unanswered for now. Sorry. On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:14:52 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/21/2006 at 06:20 PM, Thomas Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does this help? It still leaves a few questions un answered. Are all of the sessions on the AS/400 either 3270 or 5250? If not, what other types of session do you run? How will the *new* AS/400 be connected? What is the relevance of the IP addresses? Do you, or do you plan to, run TN3270 on your PC's? Do you need 3270 access from real terminals as opposed to only from PC's? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html = -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
Phil Payne wrote: SNAPSHOT: Please join us for an IBM System z9 Business Class announcement on Thursday, April 27 at 16:30 UK. Who thinks of these things, and do they have ANY contact with reality? OK, guys. We've had an increasingly tough time over the past couple of decades, mostly because of IBM's software price gouging. Not to mention its asshole lawyer. But c'mon - when was the last time a paid mainframe employee flew Business Class at company expense? I thought bc stood for Business Computer. Now that makes a bit of sense. But Business Class? You get there just the same, but pay 60% more and get a free orange juice. Agreed completely! The problem stems from the extremely poor choice of System z9 as a brand name. (The IBM System z9 109 was obviously named by someone in IBM's Department of Redundancy Department!) By putting the number 9 into the brand name, they broke the quite reasonable zSeries convention of using 9 for the big machines and 8 for the mid-size offering. So they decided to come up with the naming convention weirdness (presumably) being unveiled this week... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
ADMINISTRIVIA: Offensive Language
Please refrain from using words in your posts that may be deemed offensive or inappropriate. ...like the one just recently posted. Personally, I don't care, but I am getting flooded with rejections from all the content analyzers (Mail Marshall, etc.). If it happens again, I will put the offender on NOPOST and forward all these wonderful rejection notices to the offender. I will now have to kill the z8 thread because everyone is replying to the post that had the offending word and I keep getting even MORE rejection notices! Ah! Darren -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
Phil Payne wrote: SNAPSHOT: Please join us for an IBM System z9 Business Class announcement on Thursday, April 27 at 16:30 UK. Who thinks of these things, and do they have ANY contact with reality? OK, guys. We've had an increasingly tough time over the past couple of decades, mostly because of IBM's software price gouging. Not to mention its [bleep!] lawyer. But c'mon - when was the last time a paid mainframe employee flew Business Class at company expense? I thought bc stood for Business Computer. Now that makes a bit of sense. But Business Class? You get there just the same, but pay 60% more and get a free orange juice. Agreed completely! The problem stems from the extremely poor choice of System z9 as a brand name. (The IBM System z9 109 was obviously named by someone in IBM's Department of Redundancy Department!) By putting the number 9 into the brand name, they broke the quite reasonable zSeries convention of using 9 for the big machines and 8 for the mid-size offering. So they decided to come up with the naming convention weirdness (presumably) being unveiled this week... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LOADxx IEASYM parms
I would have to try it to be sure, but I don't believe it matters in regards to your concern for totally messing things up. If IEASYMXY is specified in LOADxx, but not present in parmlib I would expect the following: IEA013E ERROR DETECTED PROCESSING IEASYMxx:... IEA011A RESPECIFY ENTIRE IEASYMXX SUFFIX LIST OR U TO BYPASS If specified in LOADxx and merely present in parmlib with comments I would expect the following without any further problems: IEA009I SYMBOLIC DEFINITIONS WILL BE READ FROM:... I would create a new LOADxx member for trying this out. Note in LOADxx IEASYM suffixes are read from left to right where duplicate definitions override previous definitions. Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick O'Keefe Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: LOADxx IEASYM parms What happens if the IEASYM parm in LOADxx specifies an used sufix; that is, specifies (00,XY) but IEASYMXY does not exist? Is there just an error message? A WTOR? Something worse? What if IEASYMXY exists but is empty or contains just comments? I've just asked for a new IEASYMxx member, and am trying to determine what damage I might do if I screw up. Thanks. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
WLM Service Definition for DDF Thread
Hello, DB2 V7.1, z/OS 1.4, WLM Goal Mode here, with DB2 PM, cross posting to DB2-L and IBM-Main, here! There is a lot written about this topic in the archives, and I'm also looking at other resources (Hugh Smith presentation, DB2 Admin guide, etc.) but I'd like to make a recommendation to our Systems folks this afternoon and would appreciate any perspective anyone can offer: Here is an excerpt from our WLM DB2 Transaction Classification screen: 1 SI DBP1 2PN FIPLAN DB2TTRAN 2PN MANTIS DB2PTRAN 2PN * DBP1 is our production subsystem. I assume that DBTTRAN has a lower priority than DB2PTRAN. (Because FIPLAN is mostly batch against production and MANTIS is mostly online.) I assume the asterisk is to prevent our DDF threads from falling into the default discretionary class. (Is this true?) My issue is that I would like to throttle our users MSACCESS threads to this DBP1 subsystem. Could this be as simple as adding: 2CI MSACCESS DB2TTRAN To the above list? (DB2 PM says MSACCESS is the 'Correlation Name'. It also says MSACCESS.EXE is the 'Client Application Name'.) I get plenty of 'Thread Id' stuff from PM, but am having trouble mapping it to the 'WLM Classification Attribute' abbreviations in the DB2 Admin guide. Is there a better approach? Thanks in advance! Stg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Multi-level Alias
Hi Dave. I too have an unpleasant taste in my mouth from multi-level aliases. I don't remember a lot of the details, but they were a PITA when I was merging two master catalogs. It didn't help that the shop I was in also made extensive use of dataset aliases, which I detest. One question for you: why are you considering MLA's? Do you recall reading this in z/OS DFSMS: Managing Catalogs: ... the multilevel alias facility should only be used when a better solution cannot be found. The need for the multilevel alias facility can indicate poor data set naming conventions. Before defining multilevel aliases, review your data set naming conventions. If MLA's will solve a problem for you, great, but I wouldn't do it lightly. Regards, Cathy Taddei On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:10:04 -0400, Jousma, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, We are evaluating making a change from MLA(1) to MLA(2). I've read through Managing Catalogs, and there seem to be a few issues that could present themselves in a MLA environment. I'm looking for some real world experience, both the good things, and the pitfalls. I'm also hoping Mark Thomen might chime in. I've worked in other environments that had a MLA of 2, and ran into some issues, and didn't come out with a good taste in my mouth. It's Friday, I hope to get some good feedback. Thanks, Dave Dave Jousma Principal Systems Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 616.653.8429 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM Service Definition for DDF Thread
1 SI DBP1 2PN FIPLAN DB2TTRAN 2PN MANTIS DB2PTRAN 2PN * DBP1 is our production subsystem. I assume that DBTTRAN has a lower priority than DB2PTRAN. (Because FIPLAN is mostly batch against production and MANTIS is mostly online.) Can't make that assumption here. You need to know how the two service classes are defined. Different set of panels to look that up. I assume the asterisk is to prevent our DDF threads from falling into the default discretionary class. Since there is no service class defined on the same line as '*', it will fall into what ever is defined as your default class for DDF work. If that's discretionary, it will be discretionary. - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The return of Hot Catholic High School Girls in Bondage - z/OS version
Let me get this straight: you offer ten labs [that] let you get your hands on . . . Hot Catholic High School Girls in Bondage? Computer training sure has changed a lot over the years. Jon snip Back in 1999, I wrote a course about inter-language communication in OS/390 and asked the ibm-main folks to suggest a title that was lively and attention getting. Someone (and I can't find my notes on who) suggested Hot Catholic High School Girls in Bondage - my all time favorite title for a technical training course. ... The student handout consists of 538 exciting, thrill-packed pages of notes, examples, and explanations. Ten labs let you get your hands on and actually accomplish all this kind of work yourself. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM Service Definition for DDF Thread
Steve It appears that the first level definition does not specify a default service class for SI DBP1. Therefore the asterisk does exactly what it should, putting the fallthrough threads in DISC. The problem can be remedied by specifying as follows: 1 SI DBP1DB2TTRAN 2 PNMANTIS DB2PTRAN All the non-MANTIS transactions will go to DB2TTRAN. A level 2 definition is an exception to the general rule that the first hit fixes the classification. If a different default from DB2TTRAN is necessary, put it on the level 1 line and add a level 2 for PN FIPLAN. If the MANTIS transactions are more important or much more numerous than the others, put the MANTIS rule as the first level 2, to save some minuscule increment of processing time. The asterisk catcher is unnecessary here. It was a leftover from the days of implicit classification of STCs. Cheers, Steve Samson Steve Grimes wrote: Hello, DB2 V7.1, z/OS 1.4, WLM Goal Mode here, with DB2 PM, cross posting to DB2-L and IBM-Main, here! There is a lot written about this topic in the archives, and I'm also looking at other resources (Hugh Smith presentation, DB2 Admin guide, etc.) but I'd like to make a recommendation to our Systems folks this afternoon and would appreciate any perspective anyone can offer: Here is an excerpt from our WLM DB2 Transaction Classification screen: 1 SI DBP1 2PN FIPLAN DB2TTRAN 2PN MANTIS DB2PTRAN 2PN * DBP1 is our production subsystem. I assume that DBTTRAN has a lower priority than DB2PTRAN. (Because FIPLAN is mostly batch against production and MANTIS is mostly online.) I assume the asterisk is to prevent our DDF threads from falling into the default discretionary class. (Is this true?) My issue is that I would like to throttle our users MSACCESS threads to this DBP1 subsystem. Could this be as simple as adding: 2CI MSACCESS DB2TTRAN To the above list? (DB2 PM says MSACCESS is the 'Correlation Name'. It also says MSACCESS.EXE is the 'Client Application Name'.) I get plenty of 'Thread Id' stuff from PM, but am having trouble mapping it to the 'WLM Classification Attribute' abbreviations in the DB2 Admin guide. Is there a better approach? Thanks in advance! Stg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
I've got a question for the group-at-large, which I hope will be obvious to someone deeply in-the-know. I've got a program that opens a VB PDS (RECFM=VB,BLKSIZE=2550,LRECL=255). But - note that I said it opens the PDS, not a member of the PDS. That open succeeds, and presumably, the program will merrily try to read the PDS directory as Format-V records. So - the first read succeeds, and it gets these bytes back for the first 6: 000E | BDW | | RDW The BDW indicates a block-len of 14, but the 'reserved' bytes are not 00. The RDW then indicates a record length of 65535 - which is preposterous given that the BDW said the entire block-len was only 14. And - of course, trying to read 65531 bytes for the remaining record doesn't work, because they aren't there. The 14 isn't there either. OK - admittedly - walking thru the directory entries and trying to interpret that as VB isn't the best thing in the world... but, what's a program to do with what the user types. Should it look at the lrecl/blksize in the DCB and decide that this doesn't make sense? What if it did make sense - then what? Or - is there a way to know this is a bunch of bytes from a PDS directory... and this READ doesn't make sense? - Many thanks! - - Dave Rivers - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]Work: (919) 676-0847 Get your mainframe programming tools at http://www.dignus.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The return of Hot Catholic High School Girls in Bondage - z/OS version
Jon Brock wrote: Let me get this straight: you offer ten labs [that] let you get your hands on . . . Hot Catholic High School Girls in Bondage? Computer training sure has changed a lot over the years. Yeah. Well, I try to stay current! -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP PUT of a temporary dataset
In a recent note, Gilbert Saint-Flour said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:03:42 -0400 My understanding (I may be wrong) is that support for //DD:ddname was a by-product of a change in one of the C routines used by the FTP client, i.e. it's not something that resulted from a change in the code for the FTP client itself. ISTR //DD:ddname was introduced in OS/390 R9 or R10. A few releases later (z/OS 1.2 IIRC), VSAM support became available in the FTP client through the same mechanism, but it's neither documented not supported. Again, this is my understanding, don't take my word for it. It may have originated that way, but nowadays it's not that simple. The behavior is discernibly (and irritatingly) different depending on whether ddname is allocated to a Classic data set or to a UNIX file. Apparently FTP doesn't simply OPEN and QSAM GET/PUT on the ddname. Another unwarranted deviation from the S/360 model of I/O abstraction. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas David Rivers Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW? I've got a question for the group-at-large, which I hope will be obvious to someone deeply in-the-know. I've got a program that opens a VB PDS (RECFM=VB,BLKSIZE=2550,LRECL=255). But - note that I said it opens the PDS, not a member of the PDS. That open succeeds, and presumably, the program will merrily try to read the PDS directory as Format-V records. So - the first read succeeds, and it gets these bytes back for the first 6: 000E | BDW | | RDW The BDW indicates a block-len of 14, but the 'reserved' bytes are not 00. The RDW then indicates a record length of 65535 - which is preposterous given that the BDW said the entire block-len was only 14. And - of course, trying to read 65531 bytes for the remaining record doesn't work, because they aren't there. The 14 isn't there either. OK - admittedly - walking thru the directory entries and trying to interpret that as VB isn't the best thing in the world... but, what's a program to do with what the user types. Should it look at the lrecl/blksize in the DCB and decide that this doesn't make sense? What if it did make sense - then what? Or - is there a way to know this is a bunch of bytes from a PDS directory... and this READ doesn't make sense? - Many thanks! - - Dave Rivers - The directory of a PDS is not VB. It is RECFM=F,LRECL=256,BLKSIZE=256,KEYLEN=8. You can ignore the key, if you want. You must read all 256 bytes and deblock the logical records yourself. They are not compatable with RECFM=VB, but they are close. Close only counts in horse shoes and nuclear weapons. I have code, which I got from somewhere, that I can share. I also sure that there is some available on http://cbttape.org somewhere, but I don't know where. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:40:51 -0400 Thomas David Rivers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :I've got a question for the group-at-large, which I hope :will be obvious to someone deeply in-the-know. :I've got a program that opens a VB PDS (RECFM=VB,BLKSIZE=2550,LRECL=255). :But - note that I said it opens the PDS, not a member of the PDS. That :open succeeds, and presumably, the program will merrily try to :read the PDS directory as Format-V records. :So - the first read succeeds, and it gets these bytes back for :the first 6: : 000E :| BDW | | RDW :The BDW indicates a block-len of 14, but the 'reserved' bytes are not 00. :The RDW then indicates a record length of 65535 - which is preposterous :given that the BDW said the entire block-len was only 14. :And - of course, trying to read 65531 bytes for the remaining record :doesn't work, because they aren't there. The 14 isn't there either. :OK - admittedly - walking thru the directory entries and trying :to interpret that as VB isn't the best thing in the world... but, :what's a program to do with what the user types. :Should it look at the lrecl/blksize in the DCB and decide that :this doesn't make sense? What if it did make sense - then what? :Or - is there a way to know this is a bunch of bytes from a :PDS directory... and this READ doesn't make sense? It is not clear what your question is. Are you asking if there is a way to determine if a DD statement is pointing to a PDS without a member name specified? -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
LINKLIB on EXTENTS - Still OK to do REFRESH for APF?
I have defined a new loadlib to our APF member list but am not sure if it is OK to do an LLA,REFRESH since our LINKLIB has extents. Is it possible? Thanks, Desi de la Garza Systems Programmer Bexar County Information Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas David Rivers Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 2:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW? Hi John, snip So - I suppose - what's the best way to ask Hey - is this at all a reasonable thing to be trying a VB-read on? Ah. NO. - Thanks - - Dave Rivers - -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LINKLIB on EXTENTS - Still OK to do REFRESH for APF?
If all you have done is added a file to the APF list, an LLA REFRESH is not necessary. You will need to do a SET PROG command, however. Jon snip I have defined a new loadlib to our APF member list but am not sure if it is OK to do an LLA,REFRESH since our LINKLIB has extents. Is it possible? /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LINKLIB on EXTENTS - Still OK to do REFRESH for APF?
If the loadlib has been added to JUST APF, then there is no need to do anything with LLA. If the loadlib is LLA-managed, then an LLA,UPDATE is less disruptive than LLA,REFRESH. I'm not clear what you mean by our LINKLIB has extents. Did a library in linklist go into extents after IPL? Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Desi de la Garza Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: LINKLIB on EXTENTS - Still OK to do REFRESH for APF? I have defined a new loadlib to our APF member list but am not sure if it is OK to do an LLA,REFRESH since our LINKLIB has extents. Is it possible? Thanks, Desi de la Garza Systems Programmer Bexar County Information Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/OS17 with JAVA
Hi I just looked at SMPE 3.4 and it requires IBM SDK for z/OS, Java 2 Technology Edition, Version 1.4 to receive maintenance from the server. Was it supposed to include with my server pack order or was I supposed to know to order it. Either way I don't have it. I hope it's free! Anyone else having this dilemma Thanks!! George George A. Bly Senior Systems Programmer 331 Hayes Hall Information Technology Services Bowling Green State University Bowling Green, Ohio 43403 Office: (419) 372-7729 Fax:(419) 372-7723 Cell:(419) 260-4487 PS: A friend will help you move. A really good friend will help you move a body!!! e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
You could trying getting the FMT1DSCB for the data set and looking at the organization. Thomas David Rivers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 04/24/2006 03:18 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW? Hi John, Yeah... I know the directory portion isn't VB. But, the program doesn't know that.. it thinks it's simply been given the name of a sequential VB file that it wants to process So - it stumbles blindly into the directory - and *whamo* - gets this bad data. So - I suppose - what's the best way to ask Hey - is this at all a reasonable thing to be trying a VB-read on? - Thanks - - Dave Rivers - McKown, John wrote: The directory of a PDS is not VB. It is RECFM=F,LRECL=256,BLKSIZE=256,KEYLEN=8. You can ignore the key, if you want. You must read all 256 bytes and deblock the logical records yourself. They are not compatable with RECFM=VB, but they are close. Close only counts in horse shoes and nuclear weapons. I have code, which I got from somewhere, that I can share. I also sure that there is some available on http://cbttape.org somewhere, but I don't know where. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]Work: (919) 676-0847 Get your mainframe programming tools at http://www.dignus.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
In a recent note, Thomas David Rivers said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:18:39 -0400 So - I suppose - what's the best way to ask Hey - is this at all a reasonable thing to be trying a VB-read on? My inclination would be to verify: o DSORG != PO in the DCB after OPEN. (But DON'T try to enforce DSORG == PS, because that is not set if DDNAME is allocated to a UNIX file.) o BDW consistent with BLKSIZE, and no invalid flag bits set. o RDW consistent with LRECL (and with BDW), and no invalid flag bits set. (most of which QSAM does NOT verify) If all tests pass, then give the user what he asked for. If any fail, indicate an I/O error. Now, suppose the user attempts to open for OUTPUT? Wnat's a good way to avoid trashing the PDS directory? -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
Use DYNALLOC Information Retrieval for the DSORG. From: Thomas David Rivers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:18:39 -0400 Hi John, Yeah... I know the directory portion isn't VB. But, the program doesn't know that.. it thinks it's simply been given the name of a sequential VB file that it wants to process So - it stumbles blindly into the directory - and *whamo* - gets this bad data. So - I suppose - what's the best way to ask Hey - is this at all a reasonable thing to be trying a VB-read on? - Thanks - - Dave Rivers - McKown, John wrote: The directory of a PDS is not VB. It is RECFM=F,LRECL=256,BLKSIZE=256,KEYLEN=8. You can ignore the key, if you want. You must read all 256 bytes and deblock the logical records yourself. They are not compatable with RECFM=VB, but they are close. Close only counts in horse shoes and nuclear weapons. I have code, which I got from somewhere, that I can share. I also sure that there is some available on http://cbttape.org somewhere, but I don't know where. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]Work: (919) 676-0847 Get your mainframe programming tools at http://www.dignus.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
In a message dated 4/24/2006 1:41:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've got a program that opens a VB PDS (RECFM=VB,BLKSIZE=2550,LRECL=255). But - note that I said it opens the PDS, not a member of the PDS. That open succeeds, and presumably, the program will merrily try to read the PDS directory as Format-V records. So - the first read succeeds, and it gets these bytes back for the first 6: 000E | BDW | | RDW The first block in a PDS is the first block of the directory, which has a fixed format (lrecl=blksize=256 with 8-byte keys). Presumably your program is not trying to do a Read Key and Data but rather a Read Data CCW, so you do not read the key but instead read only the first data block in the directory. The first 2 bytes in the data area of a PDS directory block are the number of bytes in that 256-byte block that are used. You show 000E. I did an IMASPZAP dump of a CNTL PDS of mine and found two blocks with 00FE in the first two bytes, and the third block had X'000E' at the beginning. The 8 bytes of FF are a fake member name of all X'FF' so that it will always be last when all the member names are sorted into ascending sequence. A PDS directory is supposed to have its member names in that sequence. In my case, the 000E is the correct number of bytes used in this block, as the minimum length of one entry is 8 for the member name, 3 more for the relative TTR within the PDS where the member begins, and 1 byte of flags. The minimum entry length is then 12. Two more bytes for the obligatory 2-byte block length at the beginning yields 14 bytes. A block that begins as this one does is a block indicating the last directory block with any meaningful information in it, and in this case the meaningful info is the fake member name showing the end of the directory's list of members. There are more blocks in my directory after this one, and they are all X'00'. It looks as if your PDS is completely empty. That would explain why you see 000E in the first 6 bytes. The read CCW does not move any bytes around, change them, or interpret them. It reads what is on the track. Then the VBS access method will assume that the first 2 bytes are the block length, then 2 reserved bytes, then 2 RDW bytes, etc. In other words, because you told QSAM to read a PDS directory block and to treat it as VBS data, you have thoroughly confused not only the access method but also yourself. You need to put a lot more logic into your program; i.e., be sensitive to file organization type (DSORG=PO for a PDS), etc. I cannot begin to suggest what extra logic you should add, since I do not know the purpose of your program or why you want to read a PDS with it including its directory. A much better way to read through a PDS is with BSAM, which can also read through any other data set organization. But you have to code more logic after each block is read in with the READ/CHECK macros. what's a program to do with what the user types. I cannot understand the meaning of this phrase. Should it look at the lrecl/blksize in the DCB and decide that this doesn't make sense? What if it did make sense - then what? At the very least, your program must look at the data set organization. Then what depends on what you want your program to do, which I don't know. Or - is there a way to know this is a bunch of bytes from a PDS directory... and this READ doesn't make sense? Your program can know that this bunch of bytes is a PDS directory because it is the first block in the input data of a PDS. The end of the directory is marked by an end of file record. That will probably confuse your program, too. Then the first block of the first member begins after the end of file record, unless the first member has been deleted after the second member was added, in which case what you will read next is what used to be the first member, which also ends with another end of file record. More confusion. I would suggest a complete redesign of your program beginning with a thorough understand of what your program is supposed to accomplish, followed by research into the internals of a PDS. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
Hi Binyamin! That would work.. the program could avoid even trying the OPEN. In this case, the OPEN succeeds... and then the subsequent READ (BSAM) gets some bytes, but they aren't valid... I tried looking at DCBDSORG after the OPEN, but it has the value DCBDSGPS (Physical Sequential), since PS was specified at OPEN time. - Thanks! - - Dave Rivers - Binyamin Dissen wrote: It is not clear what your question is. Are you asking if there is a way to determine if a DD statement is pointing to a PDS without a member name specified? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]Work: (919) 676-0847 Get your mainframe programming tools at http://www.dignus.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LINKLIB on EXTENTS - Still OK to do REFRESH for APF?
I have defined a new loadlib to our APF member list but am not sure if it is OK to do an LLA,REFRESH since our LINKLIB has extents. Is it possible? Extents are irrelevent, except where you end up with more than 255 of them. Each library counts as at least one. PDSE's count as only one, regardless. The rest depend on how many extents each non-PDSE library is in. LLA refresh doesn't care about the number if it's less than 256. - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Multi-level Alias
Cathy, You ask why do MLA? It's not my call, the Storage group is the one calling this one as they own all the usercats. I've read the quote you mention, in fact I had already sent them the same quote a few weeks ago. I don't know that it is a bad thing. One of the reasons I believe they are looking at it is the fact that our DSN naming conventions put the test vs. prod qualifier as the 2nd level in the data set name. We'd love to change this, and maybe will for new datasets, but there is no project on the books to go back and retrofit. I think the push is to separate test from production in the catalog structure as well. You make a comment about dataset aliases. I have not read(have not tried that hard yet), but do aliases have to be in the same catalog as the base dataset? I'm still looking for more feedback from the list population on this topic. Thanks, Dave Dave Jousma Principal Systems Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 616.653.8429 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy Taddei Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 2:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Multi-level Alias Hi Dave. I too have an unpleasant taste in my mouth from multi-level aliases. I don't remember a lot of the details, but they were a PITA when I was merging two master catalogs. It didn't help that the shop I was in also made extensive use of dataset aliases, which I detest. One question for you: why are you considering MLA's? Do you recall reading this in z/OS DFSMS: Managing Catalogs: ... the multilevel alias facility should only be used when a better solution cannot be found. The need for the multilevel alias facility can indicate poor data set naming conventions. Before defining multilevel aliases, review your data set naming conventions. If MLA's will solve a problem for you, great, but I wouldn't do it lightly. Regards, Cathy Taddei This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:42:53 -0400 Thomas David Rivers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : That would work.. the program could avoid even trying the OPEN. Get the JFCB, use it (DSNAME + VOLUME) to read the DSCB. The DSCB will indicate whether it is a PDS and what its recorded RECFM and LRECL are. The JFCB will indicate whether a member name was specified. : In this case, the OPEN succeeds... and then the subsequent READ (BSAM) : gets some bytes, but they aren't valid... : I tried looking at DCBDSORG after the OPEN, but it has the value : DCBDSGPS (Physical Sequential), since PS was specified at OPEN time. The DSCB or JFCB never override a DCB value. OPEN will not set DCBDSORG. :Binyamin Dissen wrote: : It is not clear what your question is. : Are you asking if there is a way to determine if a DD statement is pointing to : a PDS without a member name specified? -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [DB2-L] WLM Service Definition for DDF Thread
Great tips -- thanks all. Using RMF screens (which I have access to) and looking over someone's shoulder for WLM screen's (which I don't have access to) I found that my assumptions were basically correct, but that I was looking at the wrong thing. Our production DDF thread rules are: 1 SIDBP1 2 . PN . *DDFPROD (Our test DDF thread on the same LPAR looks similar, but with DDFTEST.) DDFPROD is defined as 1 period, Imp = 2, 90% within 2 secs. DDFTEST is defined as 2 periods, 1st Period Duration=1, Imp = 3, 90% within 2 secs 2nd Period Imp = 5, Execution Velocity of 50 Using PM and RMF panals, I found my user's thread running with DDFPROD priority. So, I'm going to make my suggestion to add: 2 CI MSACCESS DDFTEST to the DBP1 definition and see where it goes. Thanks! Stg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
In a recent note, Binyamin Dissen said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:52:21 +0300 Get the JFCB, use it (DSNAME + VOLUME) to read the DSCB. I very much deplore it when people do that, then treat any unexpected result as a failure. It's an unwarranted flouting of the OS/360 I/O abstraction model. It prevents extension of the I/O system. For example, that sort of design now prevents using an HFS directory as the first catenand in SYSEXEC, while it works perfectly well as the second or later. Let the access method detect errors; don't invent your own. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
Hi Bill... Well - yes - you've hit the nail on the head - the routines are very confused because they are expecting to see VB-type records (with a BDW and RDW) and they are not. The program uses BSAM I/O. The issue here is that the program expects to not be directed to a PDS, and when that accidently happens - things go, as you mention, alarmingly wrong. What I'm looking for is some way for the program to say Hey! This isn't a sequentional VB file at all. Instead of miserably blowing up. As I mentioned before, I tried looking the DSORG in the DCB, but that indicates PS (because the PDS was opened with a PS DCB.) So - is there another way to tell if the file I'm trying to read with BSAM I/O (doing my own unblocking of the VB records) is at all reasonable? Someone else suggested using DYNALLOC to query the organization of the file before the OPEN... is there a way to accomplish this after the OPEN? Then - when the user points the program to a PDS instead of a nice sequential file (or PDS member), things don't just blow up, but can simply inform the user that is an invalid file. - Thanks - - Dave Rivers - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your program can know that this bunch of bytes is a PDS directory because it is the first block in the input data of a PDS. The end of the directory is marked by an end of file record. That will probably confuse your program, too. Then the first block of the first member begins after the end of file record, unless the first member has been deleted after the second member was added, in which case what you will read next is what used to be the first member, which also ends with another end of file record. More confusion. I would suggest a complete redesign of your program beginning with a thorough understand of what your program is supposed to accomplish, followed by research into the internals of a PDS. Bill Fairchild -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]Work: (919) 676-0847 Get your mainframe programming tools at http://www.dignus.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS17 with JAVA
George Bly wrote: I just looked at SMPE 3.4 and it requires IBM SDK for z/OS, Java 2 Technology Edition, Version 1.4 to receive maintenance from the server. Was it supposed to include with my server pack order or was I supposed to know to order it. Either way I don't have it. I hope it's free! I think it should have been identified as a bypassable prerequisite in the configurator (but did not check). It appears on the ServerPac checklist as Java(tm)2 Technology Edition 1 01.00 5655-D35 5802. But don't despair! See: http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/java/j5pcont64.html It's a no charge product. snip -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
Thomas David Rivers wrote: Hi Bill... Well - yes - you've hit the nail on the head - the routines are very confused because they are expecting to see VB-type records (with a BDW and RDW) and they are not. The program uses BSAM I/O. The issue here is that the program expects to not be directed to a PDS, and when that accidently happens - things go, as you mention, alarmingly wrong. What I'm looking for is some way for the program to say Hey! This isn't a sequentional VB file at all. Instead of miserably blowing up. | TMDCBRECFM,DCBRECUUndefined format ? | JORECUBranch if yes | TMDCBRECFM,DCBRECVVariable format ? | JORECVBranch if yes |* Handle Fixed Format Records |RECF DC0H | . | . |* Handle Variable Format Records |RECV DC0H | . | . |* Handle Undefined Format Records |RECU DC0H | . | . -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS17 with JAVA
NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message (electronic, paper, or otherwise). Thank you. Yes it is free. If it is not in your order, you can go to http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/java/ and download the non-SMP/E version. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Bly Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: z/OS17 with JAVA Hi I just looked at SMPE 3.4 and it requires IBM SDK for z/OS, Java 2 Technology Edition, Version 1.4 to receive maintenance from the server. Was it supposed to include with my server pack order or was I supposed to know to order it. Either way I don't have it. I hope it's free! Anyone else having this dilemma Thanks!! George George A. Bly -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:06:11 -0600 Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :In a recent note, Binyamin Dissen said: : Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:52:21 +0300 : Get the JFCB, use it (DSNAME + VOLUME) to read the DSCB. :I very much deplore it when people do that, then treat any :unexpected result as a failure. It's an unwarranted flouting :of the OS/360 I/O abstraction model. It prevents extension :of the I/O system. For example, that sort of design now :prevents using an HFS directory as the first catenand in :SYSEXEC, while it works perfectly well as the second or later. :Let the access method detect errors; don't invent your own. I believe that his intent was to detect a particular case. This will do it. Of course one can go on with the 001-whatever, but it may be a good idea to provide an intelligible error or, perhaps, a default member name. I do agree that this is overkill for application level code, but I doubt that such code is produced by Cole Software. -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
In a recent note, Thomas David Rivers said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:11:15 -0400 Someone else suggested using DYNALLOC to query the organization of the file before the OPEN... is there a way to accomplish this after the OPEN? I would expect DYNALLOC IR to work equally well after OPEN as before. But you must do it before attempting to process any record. But, what does DYNALLOC IR indicate if DDNAME identifies a properly allocated _member_ of a PDS with RECFM=VB, etc.? -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
In a message dated 4/24/2006 3:12:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I'm looking for is some way for the program to say Hey! This isn't a sequentional VB file at all. Make sure the DCB in the program does not specify the file organization. Then that field in the your DCB will be filled in with information from the file's external label. Then test it as Ed Jaffe showed. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF71 and ICETOOL
On May 30, 2005, Antonio Fonseca wrote:
I'm looking at ICETOOL for displaying SMF71 records and for
the majority of the fields it works OK. But...
Is there a way to process the floating fields (like the
high-medium-low impact central storage frames...) in ICETOOL
or it is necessary to make a Assembler or C program to do that?
With z/OS DFSORT V1R5 PTF UK90007 or DFSORT R14 PTF UK90006 (April, 2006),
you can now display/convert FL (hexadecimal floating point) fields with
DFSORT and
ICETOOL.
Here's an example:
//REPT71 EXEC PGM=ICETOOL
//TOOLMSG DD SYSOUT=*
//DFSMSG DD SYSOUT=*
//SMFIN DD DSN=... input file
//SMF71 DD DSN=SMF71,DISP=(,PASS),SPACE=(CYL,(5,5)),UNIT=SYSDA
//SMF71RPT DD SYSOUT=*
//TOOLIN DD *
* Sort SMF Type 71 records by id, date and time.
SORT FROM(SMFIN) TO(SMF71) USING(TY71)
* Create report with SMFID sections.
DISPLAY FROM(SMF71) LIST(SMF71RPT) -
TITLE('Low impact central storage frames') -
BREAK(15,4,CH,L'System: ') -
HEADER('Date') ON(11,4,DT1,E'-99-99') -
HEADER('Time') ON(7,4,TM1,E'99:99:99') -
HEADER('Min Frames') ON(925,8,FL,U10) -
HEADER('Max Frames') ON(933,8,FL,U10) -
HEADER('Avg Frames') ON(941,8,FL,U10) -
BLANK PAGE
/*
//TY71CNTL DD *
* Select type 71 records that are more than
* 18 bytes long.
OMIT COND=(6,1,BI,NE,+71,OR,1,2,BI,LE,+18)
* Sort by SMFID, SMFDATE and SMFTIME
SORT FIELDS=(15,4,CH,A,11,4,PD,A,7,4,BI,A)
/*
For more details, see my paper at:
http://www.ibm.com/servers/storage/support/software/sort/mvs/peug/
In particular, see Example 1 in the Floating-Point Display (FL) section.
Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Team (IBM)
Specialties: PARSE, JFY, SQZ, ICETOOL, IFTHEN, OVERLAY, Symbols, Migration
= DFSORT/MVS is on the Web at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/
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Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
Your inclinations assume that: (a) DCBDSORG will change during OPEN, and (b) the data will appear in his program without an error. I don't believe (a) ever happens. I think he already has the error before he sees the data. From: Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:35:55 -0600 In a recent note, Thomas David Rivers said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:18:39 -0400 So - I suppose - what's the best way to ask Hey - is this at all a reasonable thing to be trying a VB-read on? My inclination would be to verify: o DSORG != PO in the DCB after OPEN. (But DON'T try to enforce DSORG == PS, because that is not set if DDNAME is allocated to a UNIX file.) o BDW consistent with BLKSIZE, and no invalid flag bits set. o RDW consistent with LRECL (and with BDW), and no invalid flag bits set. (most of which QSAM does NOT verify) If all tests pass, then give the user what he asked for. If any fail, indicate an I/O error. Now, suppose the user attempts to open for OUTPUT? Wnat's a good way to avoid trashing the PDS directory? -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Multi-level Alias
I haven't tried it, but after attending Mark Thomen's Best Practices for Catalog and VSAM session (3057) at Seattle SHARE, I'm seriously considering it. The handout is on the SHARE web site. Bob Jousma, David wrote: I think the push is to separate test from production in the catalog structure as well. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 04/24/2006 04:11:15 PM: The issue here is that the program expects to not be directed to a PDS, and when that accidently happens - things go, as you mention, alarmingly wrong. What I'm looking for is some way for the program to say Hey! This isn't a sequentional VB file at all. Instead of miserably blowing up. Before you OPEN the file, use RDJFCB to get the JFCB. Look at expanded macro list to find the values of JFCDSORG (two byte field!) to test for. RDJFCB MF=(E,$RDJFCB) . . . $RDJFCB RDJFCB DUMMY,MF=L DUMMYDCB DSORG=PS,MACRF=GL,DDNAME=RMSIRXCW,EXLST=X_DUMMY * DATA CONTROL BLOCK X_DUMMY DS0A DCAL1(7),AL3(INFMJFCB) . . . IEFJFCBN LIST=YES - Thanks - - Dave Rivers - - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The information may also constitute a legally privileged confidential communication. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS17 with JAVA
John, Permit me to vent for a moment. This has been one of my pet-peeves for a while. I've placed many Servpac orders over the years, and one thing I wish IBM would do, is somehow distinquish no-charge products from the others when ordering on ShopZ. Another is the XML-toolkit. I order everything we are licensed for, plus all the no-charge items(that make sense) just for completeness, so that I can try to avoid adding products after the fact. Maybe IBM should just issue a license for all the freebie stuff so that users can just place orders for all licensed products, and be done with it. Anyway, if you have connections, it would be nice if those were somehow flagged at order time, rather than having to read the announcement to find that info. Thanks, Dave Dave Jousma Principal Systems Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 616.653.8429 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Eells Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS17 with JAVA I think it should have been identified as a bypassable prerequisite in the configurator (but did not check). It appears on the ServerPac checklist as Java(tm)2 Technology Edition 1 01.00 5655-D35 5802. snip It's a no charge product. snip -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
In a recent note, J R said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:24:54 -0400 Your inclinations assume that: (a) DCBDSORG will change during OPEN, and I don't believe (a) ever happens. I certainly did assume that. Have I misunderstood the following: Title: z/OS V1R5.0 DFSMS: Using Data Sets Document Number: SC26-7410-03 # 3.2.2.1 z/OS V1R5.0 DFSMS: Using Data Sets 3.2.2.1 Filling in the DCB 4. From the JFCB, OPEN fills in any field not completed in the DCB or DCBE. This completes what is called the forward merge. ??? (I know, it's pretty complicated.) From: Paul Gilmartin [log in to unmask] Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:35:55 -0600 My inclination would be to verify: o DSORG != PO in the DCB after OPEN. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Announcement - fixed up
Matthew Webber wrote: Steve, I appreciated the humour, but some spam filters may not. Consider posting without embedded text that may result in the message not being seen by some folks. FWIW Hmmm. Perhaps you're right. OK, here's the squeaky clean version: Announcing the availabliity of our newest course: Secrets of Inter-Language Communication in z/OS. I used Secrets simply because a lot of the techniques discussed in this course seem to be unknown to a large number of programmers. Although the course focuses on calling and being called across language boundaries, it could be taken just for learning the techniques in any one of the languages we cover in the class: Assembler, COBOL, PL/I, and C. Major topics: * Declaring data items (elementary, structures, arrays) in all four languages * working with null-terminated strings and halfword prefixed strings in all these languages * calling statically from programs written in all of the discussed languages * passing arguments in the call / invocation - by reference, by value - variable numbers of arguments - all types of arguments (elements, structures, arrays) - omitted arguments * receiving paramters in the subroutine / subfunction - by reference, by value - variable numbers of parameters - all types of parameters (elements, structures, arrays) - omitted parameters * how to catch values returned from a function * how to set values to return as if from a function * formats of object decks (OBJ, XOBJ, GOFF) * how the program binder works * sharing external data items * load modules vs program objects * calling dynamically from all languages * creating DLLs in all four languages * invoking DLL functions from all four languages * accessing and changing values in DLL variables in all four languages The student handout consists of 538 exciting, thrill-packed pages of notes, examples, and explanations. Ten labs let you get your hands on and actually accomplish all this kind of work yourself. The previous version was only offered once. But judging by several of the recent threads on ibm-main, the time may be just right for this course. Take a look at the details at: http://www.trainersfriend.com/Language_Environment_courses/m520descr.htm Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. http://www.trainersfriend.com P.S. I seem to be incorrigible. I just love this stuff (z/OS, programming, teaching) so I guess I'll just keep plugging away at it as long as it is so much fun. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Overhead of SMF Records
Please do not laugh. My management is asking me how much overhead is consumed by z/OS for processing the SMF records. I have no idea. Has anyone ever researched this and can share some info on it. Thanks in advance. Joel Wolpert Director - Performance and Capacity Planning Shared Data Center Securities Industry Automation Corporation 2 Metrotech Center New York, NY 11201 (212) 383-3323 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message and its attachments may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are prohibited from printing, forwarding, saving or copying this email. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail and its attachments from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ***: Offensive Language
In a recent note, Darren Evans-Young said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:18:20 -0500 Personally, I don't care, but I am getting flooded with rejections from all the content analyzers (Mail Marshall, etc.). If it happens again, I will put the offender on NOPOST and forward all these wonderful rejection notices to the offender. I'd go the other way, and put the rejectors on NOMAIL. It's backscatter (Google for); and sites that backscatter spam, viruses, or other unwanted material should rightly be ostracised. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need Help defining an AS400 with an IP address to the mainframe
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:09:30 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;, on 04/24/2006 at 02:26 AM, Chris Mason lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; said: gt;I think the text you found logically, if not chronologically, gt;precedes the introduction of the type 2.1 node and the introduction gt;of the control point as the entity managing the node rather than gt;always the PU. Chronologically, which is why I made sure to mention that it was old. But the PUCP was already there. If you have a recent FAPL manual, is there a section on nomenclature around p I-8? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see lt;http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.htmlgt; We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html = -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Overhead of SMF Records
In a message dated 4/24/2006 3:54:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My management is asking me how much overhead is consumed by z/OS for processing the SMF records. I have no idea. Has anyone ever researched this and can share some info on it. PHB's say the darnedest things! It's not insignificant and tuning still matters. Some records are required by law and auditors depending on type of business. Ever see a *Nixen in tears 'cause their system got hacked/hosed and they had logging turned off for 'performance reasons'. It's also different in every shop. Run a modified version of MXG ANAL30DD and it's usually in 3-5% range. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
I may be wrong but I thought that DSORG was not optional on the DCB macro. From: Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:40:33 -0600 In a recent note, J R said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:24:54 -0400 Your inclinations assume that: (a) DCBDSORG will change during OPEN, and I don't believe (a) ever happens. I certainly did assume that. Have I misunderstood the following: Title: z/OS V1R5.0 DFSMS: Using Data Sets Document Number: SC26-7410-03 # 3.2.2.1 z/OS V1R5.0 DFSMS: Using Data Sets 3.2.2.1 Filling in the DCB 4. From the JFCB, OPEN fills in any field not completed in the DCB or DCBE. This completes what is called the forward merge. ??? (I know, it's pretty complicated.) From: Paul Gilmartin [log in to unmask] Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:35:55 -0600 My inclination would be to verify: o DSORG != PO in the DCB after OPEN. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
Hi again Bill... Yeah - that's a good idea... But - I don't think I'm communicating something right... But - in this case, the user specified a file name. OPEN filled in the DCBRECFM, etc... and the program went merrily on its way trying to do what the DCB said would work... This would normally be just fine, if the USER had specified a DSN(MEMBER), but instead, the user only specified the DSN. In this case, after the OPEN, the DCB is filled with the attributes of the PDS members, not the PDS directory. So - the filled-in DCB says RECFM=VB. Which doesn't work well for 'reading' the PDS (works correctly for reading a member, not the PDS itself.) Since we're not pointing at a member, but pointing at the PDS 'file' - we wind up reading directory bytes, which confuses the VB unblocking routines - and we wind up with erroneous data, and general badness. Note that sometimes, a plain DSN is the right thing, since it could be a 'plain' flat/sequential file. No reason to disallow those. So - the program can't apriori simply disallow names without members. I'd like things to be abstract enough that the program could say hey - you gave me something invalid - wanna try again? instead of S0C4. So - in this case, the values found in the DCB can't be used. In fact, in this particular situation, the GET and subsequent unblocking can't be used either, and I'd like the program to fail gracefully. A check either at read-time or open-time would be fine. So far, it seems the only way to do that is to get the JFCB, etc... But - Gil seemed to think that wasn't the best approach. DYNALLOC looks like another possible answer, but how expensive is that? - Thanks - - Dave Rivers - , IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote: In a message dated 4/24/2006 3:12:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I'm looking for is some way for the program to say Hey! This isn't a sequentional VB file at all. Make sure the DCB in the program does not specify the file organization. Then that field in the your DCB will be filled in with information from the file's external label. Then test it as Ed Jaffe showed. Bill Fairchild -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]Work: (919) 676-0847 Get your mainframe programming tools at http://www.dignus.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Overhead of SMF Records
My management is asking me how much overhead is consumed by z/OS for processing the SMF records. Producing SMF records is the cost. Presenting them to SMF and having the task write them out is cheap. Because it's asynchronous. Move SMF down in importance and you won't suffer. The records will get written when there are cycles available. That's why SMF has buffers. The sub-systems have built in metrics. If you supress the records, you haven't stopped the 'overhead' of collecting them. But, here's a question for you: What is the cost of not producing them? - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
J R wrote: I may be wrong but I thought that DSORG was not optional on the DCB macro. RECFM is optional. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Overhead of SMF Records
Thanks. This is good info. Does this mean that if I measure the CPU usage of the SMF address space I will be able to approximate the CPU overhead? My management is asking me how much overhead is consumed by z/OS for processing the SMF records. Producing SMF records is the cost. Presenting them to SMF and having the task write them out is cheap. Because it's asynchronous. Move SMF down in importance and you won't suffer. The records will get written when there are cycles available. That's why SMF has buffers. The sub-systems have built in metrics. If you supress the records, you haven't stopped the 'overhead' of collecting them. But, here's a question for you: What is the cost of not producing them? - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - This message and its attachments may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are prohibited from printing, forwarding, saving or copying this email. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail and its attachments from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Overhead of SMF Records
In a message dated 4/24/2006 4:01:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My management is asking me how much overhead is consumed by z/OS for processing the SMF records. I have no idea. Has anyone ever researched this and can share some info on it. The eternal correct answer to all known questions: it depends. MVS internally creates all the record types even if you don't want them written. Some record types are much more complex than others, and the creation of complex records uses more overhead than that of simple record types. Then just before the already-created record is written, the test is made to see if you want record type X written. If yes, then there is the overhead of writing that record type multiplied by the frequency of occurrence of record type X. If you don't want X types written, then no additional overhead. The frequency of occurrence of any given record type also depends on innumerable variables; e.g., one record type might be written by a TSO session every time it performs operation Y. How many TSO sessions do you have at the same time? How often do they perform operation Y? You asked for the overhead in processing the records. MVS does not pr ocess the records. MVS creates and then optionally writes them. Your application program processes the records after they are written. So the total overhead of writing them must be increased by whatever overhead your program that reads them in and processes them imposes. You may be able to offload the post-processing overhead to another system or even platform. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Overhead of SMF Records
In a message dated 4/24/2006 4:12:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does this mean that if I measure the CPU usage of the SMF address space I will be able to approximate the CPU overhead? No. The greatest part of the overhead is in creating them, and this takes place in the various other address spaces and they get charged for the CPU time to create them. The SMF address space's CPU time reflects only the time to write them to an external file. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Overhead of SMF Records
Are they asking about the overhead of collecting them, and/or the overhead of processing them to derive useful information - or hadn't they thought of that. Please do not laugh. My management is asking me how much overhead is consumed by z/OS for processing the SMF records. I have no idea. Has anyone ever researched this and can share some info on it. Thanks in advance. Joel Wolpert Director - Performance and Capacity Planning Shared Data Center Securities Industry Automation Corporation 2 Metrotech Center New York, NY 11201 (212) 383-3323 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Overhead of SMF Records
They are asking about the overhead of collecting them. I know how to measure the overhead of processing them. Thanks. Are they asking about the overhead of collecting them, and/or the overhead of processing them to derive useful information - or hadn't they thought of that. Please do not laugh. My management is asking me how much overhead is consumed by z/OS for processing the SMF records. I have no idea. Has anyone ever researched this and can share some info on it. Thanks in advance. Joel Wolpert Director - Performance and Capacity Planning Shared Data Center Securities Industry Automation Corporation 2 Metrotech Center New York, NY 11201 (212) 383-3323 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - This message and its attachments may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are prohibited from printing, forwarding, saving or copying this email. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail and its attachments from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
In a message dated 4/24/2006 4:05:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So far, it seems the only way to do that is to get the JFCB, etc... My first inclination was to answer the same way, since I did that many decades ago. But that approach may not work now for due to the presence of many newer components with which I have little (SMS) or no (HFS) experience. But - Gil seemed to think that wasn't the best approach. Could be. My experience was during the Jurassic era. DYNALLOC looks like another possible answer, but how expensive is that? The expense is not in executing the DYNALLOC function. The great expense is in finding the IBM doc, then coding and debugging the convoluted data structure which you have to feed to DYNALLOC. I did that once long ago, and it was not easy. Basically you must first choose the exact JCL parameters you would need in a batch job to use the file, then you convert those same JCL parameters to their DYNALLOC equivalent. I would try very hard to use RDJFCB instead. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Overhead of SMF Records
Does this mean that if I measure the CPU usage of the SMF address space I will be able to approximate the CPU overhead? No! Most of the overhead is in the sub-systems producing the records. CMF, DB2, NPM, SILO, RMF, JES2, etc. SMF actually writing them is cheap. - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
Code DINRTORG to request the return of the data set organization (DSORG) of the specified resource. Code DINRTMEM to request the return of the member name associated with the specified allocation. By getting this information *before* OPEN you should be able to set up your DCB appropriately. From: Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:20:55 -0600 In a recent note, Thomas David Rivers said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:11:15 -0400 Someone else suggested using DYNALLOC to query the organization of the file before the OPEN... is there a way to accomplish this after the OPEN? I would expect DYNALLOC IR to work equally well after OPEN as before. But you must do it before attempting to process any record. But, what does DYNALLOC IR indicate if DDNAME identifies a properly allocated _member_ of a PDS with RECFM=VB, etc.? -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ***: Offensive Language
Sorry, Gil, but I have to disagree with you here. I have no say over the spam/porn/naughty word filter in use here, nor do I know whether or not the filter sent a nasty-gram back to Darren or if the filter simply dropped the offending messages. I didn't even know there was a problem until Darren's note telling us there was. Why should I then be ostracized over something I have no control over - or even know about? It makes the most sense to send it back to the person who actually sent in the offending message. Besides, if Darren did what you suggested, IBM-MAIN would be flooded with messages asking are there problems with IBM-MAIN because I'm not getting any messages. I don't think anybody really wants that. Rex In a recent note, Gil said: In a recent note, Darren Evans-Young said: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:18:20 -0500 Personally, I don't care, but I am getting flooded with rejections from all the content analyzers (Mail Marshall, etc.). If it happens again, I will put the offender on NOPOST and forward all these wonderful rejection notices to the offender. I'd go the other way, and put the rejectors on NOMAIL. It's backscatter (Google for); and sites that backscatter spam, viruses, or other unwanted material should rightly be ostracised. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 12:18 -0500, Darren Evans-Young wrote: Please refrain from using words in your posts that may be deemed offensive or inappropriate. ...like the one just recently posted. How is one to judge - see a recent advertising campaign by an agency of the federal government of this country. Would such usage qualify ???. *extremely* common usage here. I will now have to kill the z8 thread because everyone is replying to the post that had the offending word and I keep getting even MORE rejection notices! Ah! Unfortunate side effect - I'm with gil on this. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
How is one to judge - see a recent advertising campaign by an agency of the federal government of this country. Would such usage qualify ???. *extremely* common usage here. I got slammed once for using a real vile word when I hadn't. I was discussing British soccer and I mentioned a team. The filter caught the 'buried' word, and reported it to my manager. It took me a month to clear my name. The team name was (* used to bypass filters): Sc*nthorpe. - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Overhead of SMF Records
Please do not laugh. Ok. My lips are contorted into a strange shape like a chortle in progress, but I swear I am not laughing. Well, ok, maybe just a little. My management is asking me how much overhead is consumed by z/OS for processing the SMF records. I have no idea. Has anyone ever researched this and can share some info on it. I'll bite. Overhead is presumably the aggregate of costs over and above the value of the thing being done. If the thing being done is more valuable than the cost of doing it then the overhead is nil. Attribution of value is left as an exercise for the reader :-) The cost of collecting, writing and (post) processing SMF records is hard to quantify. Most records are created in memory by various parts of the system whether you are actually collecting them or not. So that aspect of the cost is always present and impossible to discern from the background noise level within the system. The cost of writing the SMF records is pretty low. You can get a back of the envelope estimate of that by checking the resource consumption of the SMF address space, which is what does all of the actual SMF I/O. Don't forget to add in the cost of the periodic IFASMDFP jobs that copy the SMF data from the SYS1.MANx datasets to GDGs or whatever technique you use. IBM is working on lowering those costs over the next couple of releases. But they're pretty low now in the great scheme of things. The cost of actually post-processing all of those jillions of SMF records to produce useful information, accounting, charge-back, planning data or whatever can be very significant. Most shops I see spend a lot of overnight batch resources bashing though SMF with SORT to sort/merge and run various reports. That definitely costs resources, but the cost of not doing it may be worse in the long run. There are always trade-offs to be made between the processing cost of function X and the business value derived from X. Did they have any particular problem in mind or was this another rock-fetch exercise from a freshly minted manager? The question for management is what problem are you trying to solve and what would you have us do differently? CC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Overhead of SMF Records
Don't forget to add in the cost of the periodic IFASMDFP jobs that copy the SMF data from the SYS1.MANx datasets I make those IMP=5. The cost is nothing, since I bought the machine for other work. IFASMFDP fills in the valleys that would not be used if they weren't there! - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offensive Language
In a recent note, Shane said: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:38:25 +1000 On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 12:18 -0500, Darren Evans-Young wrote: Please refrain from using words in your posts that may be deemed offensive or inappropriate. ...like the one just recently posted. How is one to judge - see a recent advertising campaign by an agency of the federal government of this country. Would such usage qualify ???. *extremely* common usage here. Can you give a poor isolated provincial Yank a hint? Perhaps a URL that would help me root out what you're talking about? Unfortunate side effect - I'm with gil on this. Much though I flinch at some of Phil's content (but where's Dubbo when he's really needed?), I am more upset that the ignorant masses, promoters of V-chips, Palladium Chips, censorers of Super Bowl entertainment, etc., should interfere with his opportunity to have a platform. And his style, while perhaps unnecessary, is a thin veneer over valuable content. I can take Phil c*m grano salis. (But I was tempted. Only it's too much a pain in the *rse to resubscribe with a different address. And it would bug D. unnecessarily.) -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
