[Inkscape-docs] new Contribute and Develop pages ready
Hi Everyone, These pages have basically the same content as before, but just rearranged, so that the page structure mirrors the sub-menu structure (or vice versa). Of course, since I started them on staging, AND started before we discussed always using the django plugin for making links, I'll have to fix all the links once I transfer the content (from staging to live). (partly off topic, but using the link plugins will put a kink in the process of using the staging site to make drafts of pages, like I have, for the several pages I've worked on) Anyway, if you'd like to review that I got everything right, and didn't forget anything. Here is new Contribute: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/brynns-contribute/?edit_off, and Here is new Develop: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/brynnsdev/?edit_off. Here's my plan: -- transfer the content, from staging to live pages -- fix all the links -- publish -- move Bug Management sub-menu item to the bottom If we ever get guides for writing documentation and/or extensions, those would go below Bug Mgmt, at least for the time being. I do realize that larger changes may be on the way, if Matthew's structure is adopted. But at least for now, this will be a little improvement. (Also partly off topic -- if Matthew's structure is adopted, which removes 1 whole main menu item and sub-menu, maybe the Gallery could go into the main menu? Maybe it's just me, but I think the Gallery needs top billing :-) ) Ok then. Please let me know if any changes are needed to these pages, and when I can go ahead with the transfer. All best, brynn -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] jabber? also communities on Chat Now page
Hi again, The other day, I think it was Martin who said to get rid of info or references to Jabber, or something like that. I just came across a couple of instances, but now I don't remember what the instructions were. And I can't seem to find the message about it. One is on the new Community page, which I'll fix over on staging. In both places, it's just the words "and Jabber", that I guess should be deleted? The other is the current Chat Now page, under Inkscape Development Online Discussion > IRC > end of 2nd sentence. Also, I think I mentioned this a while ago. Under the chat applet is International and Local Communities section, which links to the wiki page. I have transferred all that info from the wiki page (and updated) to the Learn page. Once 0.91 is released, it will be on the Communities page. Any objections to me deleting the International and Local Communities section? And regarding Jabber, I guess I'll delete "and Jabber", in the next section below? Thanks, brynn -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] new Contribute and Develop pages ready
> The plug-in links in Contribute on live are already ready,
Ok, yes, good idea. For Contribute, I can just make the few changes using
the editor, and not transfer the whole content.
> - - "Review and Verify Existing Bug Reports" (and the link in the text)
> should link to 'Bug Management' in the Dev section, not to 'Report Bugs'.
Hhmmm. This content came originally from the old faq. But I see what
you mean. I'll change it.
> - - The 'Translations' section title should link to the translations page.
Yes, I changed that, because there are 2 links in the Translations
section -- 1 for translating the website, and 1 for translating the program.
What about arranging it like the Bugs section just above -- with 2 bullets?
Then each bullet title/heading could be a link?
> - - The first sentence 'Working on Inkscape's code base requires
> knowledge of C++ and Gtk development.' could maybe better be placed
> inside the next sentence ('If you're a coder/programmer and have some
> knowledge of C++ and / or Gtk development...") - this sounds less
> technical and friendlier for a first sentence ;)
Yes, that sounds much better. I'll change.
> - - Would it make sense to order the sections on that page by difficulty?
> - - from easy to hard:
It's currently arranged from easy to hard. But I thought it made more sense
to arrange it from most important to less important (or greatest need, to
lesser need -- since the page is more or less about asking for help).
That's basically how I arranged Contribute page. Although it's quite
possible that I don't have a clear understanding.
> Documentation (would also fit well into 'Contribute', I think, as no
> coding or knowledge of internal program structure is needed)
I gave that a good deal of thought, and almost sent a message about it. I
think it depends on what kind of documentation, as to how much knowledge of
coding/programming is needed to write it. For example, I could write a
tutorial about basic or even intermediate tools/features. But if called on
to write a section of the manual about a new tool, for example, or a wiki
article, I would not be able to do that. I would need to understand more
how the tool or program actually works. This is another case where such a
fine line divides contributing and developing. But until there actually is
a guide, for people like me, mostly only developers know how to write
official documentation anyway.
Yes, I'll put the formatting back to left justified. Although I think that
makes it so much harder to read, and probably deters a lot of people from
reading any of it (the all left justified text). I really would like to
see, or at least discuss doing this in the near future, if possible.
Thanks for looking it over, Maren :-)
All best,
brynn
--
From: "Maren Hachmann"
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 6:36 AM
To: "Brynn" ;
Subject: Re: new Contribute and Develop pages ready
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA256
>
> Hi Brynn,
>>
>> Here is new Contribute:
> http://staging.inkscape.org/en/brynns-contribute/?edit_off, and
>
> - - I compared it to the current contribute page on live - and I must
> admit, that I like the one on live more, because it more directly talks
> to the user and sounds more inclusive... But I guess it would be good to
> move the long texts about development into the development section -
> they are nice, and it's good that you kept them ;)
>
> The plugin links in Contribute on live are already ready, you won't have
> to change much, only selectively copy some text over / remove some text.
> I thought that page had already been finished... as you had already
> added the new links to the extensions texts in the wiki and such on Jan.
> 12th...
>
> - - "Review and Verify Existing Bug Reports" (and the link in the text)
> should link to 'Bug Management' in the Dev section, not to 'Report Bugs'.
>
> - - The 'Translations' section title should link to the translations page.
>
>>
>> Here is new Develop: http://staging.inkscape.org/en/brynnsdev/?edit_off.
>>
>
> - - The first sentence 'Working on Inkscape's code base requires
> knowlege of C++ and Gtk development.' could maybe better be placed
> inside the next sentence ('If you're a coder/programmer and have some
> knowlege of C++ and / or Gtk development...") - this sounds less
> technical and friendlier for a first sentence ;)
>
> - - Would it make sense to order the sections on that page by difficulty?
> - - from easy to hard:
> Documentation (would also fit well into 'Co
[Inkscape-docs] bug? or annoyance?
Hi Maren and Martin, I'm not sure if I've found a bug, or if this is just another annoying thing about using the link plugin. Since Maren said I should not copy over the source from the staging page (so I don't have to make new links), I tried to use the non-source part of the editor. In a few places there are 2 links to the same page. But if I use the same the text link, and simply change the text by typing, then after the page is saved and published, even though the text appears to be correct in the editor, it reverts to the original text when saved/published. Steps to reproduce: 1 -- Open any page (with links made by plugin) to edit, such as Contribute. 2 -- Copy a text link, such as "Open Source" in the first sentence. 3 -- Paste it somewhere else on the page, like the end of that same paragraph. 4 -- Change the text "Open Source" to "click here". 5 -- Looks fine in the editor, but after saving and publishing, it changes back to "Open Source". I'm not sure if it happens during the save or the publish. I didn't notice until after the publish, but it probably happened during the save. The solution I found was to make a brand new link. To my understanding, it sounds like that makes a newmaybe it's like a new row or item in a database, or something like that. But anyway it sounds like it must be duplicating something. Also, different topic. What do I need to do to get the format changes going, with the indents, and different heading styles? Bug report? Thanks again, brynn -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!
Ok, now that 0.91 is ready, I'll be transferring the content from my new Community, Learn, and FAQ pages to the live site, and start fixing the links. I won't publish until I have all the links fixed. But, before I get too far into the faq, I just want to make sure you don't want me to fix the id links. Thanks, brynn -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!
Ok, I can do that. What does Table Of Contents plug-in do? I got the messages about it, but didn't understand them. brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 6:28 PM To: "Brynn" ; "Martin Owens" ; "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: time to finish my new pages now! > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi Brynn, > > you could do one thing before you move the FAQ over: > (test first if everything still works when you make this change) > > Turn all > > > > below the current table of contents in the FAQ into > > ... > > (or whatever heading level it is, could also be h3, h4), so remove the > span tags, and put the ids into the heading tag. > > This is in preparation for the new Table-Of-Contents-Plugin, which only > extracts ids from headings, not from spans. I just tested it ;) > > Good night, > Regards, > Maren > > Am 31.01.2015 um 02:17 schrieb Brynn: >> Ok, now that 0.91 is ready, I'll be transferring the content from my new >> Community, Learn, and FAQ > pages to the live site, and start fixing the links. I won't publish > until I have all the links fixed. But, before I get too far into the > faq, I just want to make sure you don't want me to fix the id links. >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iF4EAREIAAYFAlTML8oACgkQKoYx0uUjpE3evgD+JDq+pIByIQOz3DhYlfEggMhy > K9aFy/PWdd18isJu2rwA/iyNXb8vctnULL6Ag3Tj6AWLQbt7imdXaV/g0SmqhCmE > =x4Ji > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!
2nd reply What about when the span id is in a list item? Does ... work? Thanks again :-) -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 6:28 PM To: "Brynn" ; "Martin Owens" ; "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: time to finish my new pages now! > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi Brynn, > > you could do one thing before you move the FAQ over: > (test first if everything still works when you make this change) > > Turn all > > > > below the current table of contents in the FAQ into > > ... > > (or whatever heading level it is, could also be h3, h4), so remove the > span tags, and put the ids into the heading tag. > > This is in preparation for the new Table-Of-Contents-Plugin, which only > extracts ids from headings, not from spans. I just tested it ;) > > Good night, > Regards, > Maren > > Am 31.01.2015 um 02:17 schrieb Brynn: >> Ok, now that 0.91 is ready, I'll be transferring the content from my new >> Community, Learn, and FAQ > pages to the live site, and start fixing the links. I won't publish > until I have all the links fixed. But, before I get too far into the > faq, I just want to make sure you don't want me to fix the id links. >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iF4EAREIAAYFAlTML8oACgkQKoYx0uUjpE3evgD+JDq+pIByIQOz3DhYlfEggMhy > K9aFy/PWdd18isJu2rwA/iyNXb8vctnULL6Ag3Tj6AWLQbt7imdXaV/g0SmqhCmE > =x4Ji > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!
So the Table of Contents plug-in is somehow going to do something to the faq? -- From: "Martin Owens" Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 8:02 PM To: "Brynn" Cc: "Maren Hachmann" ; "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: time to finish my new pages now! > On Fri, 2015-01-30 at 19:58 -0700, Brynn wrote: >> What about when the span id is in a list item? Does > id="whatever">... work? > > Those don't need to be touched. Thats the part that will be replaced > entirely by the plugin. > > Martin, > -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!
Another detail. What about links to specific image in the gallery (examples, such as https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/2312/). Can they be made with plug-in? Or should I leave as . Thanks again :-) -- From: "Martin Owens" Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 8:02 PM To: "Brynn" Cc: "Maren Hachmann" ; "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: time to finish my new pages now! > On Fri, 2015-01-30 at 19:58 -0700, Brynn wrote: >> What about when the span id is in a list item? Does > id="whatever">... work? > > Those don't need to be touched. Thats the part that will be replaced > entirely by the plugin. > > Martin, > -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!
No, I'm not editing the gallery. I've transferred the new faq content to live site, and now I'm fixing all the links. (not published yet) Maren had loaded all the share/example files into the gallery, a while ago. I wanted to link to some of them in the faq. (I think you might have been ill when we discussed, and she worked on it.) So I think she thought it would be nicer to have them in the gallery, rather than direct people how to look them up in their own systems (because we would have to give directions for all the kinds of systems). So I was just asking if there is a way to link to one of those images, using the plug-in. I know how to link to the gallery, using the plug-in, but not to a specific image. Thanks :-) -- From: "Martin Owens" Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:31 AM To: "Brynn" Cc: "Maren Hachmann" ; "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: time to finish my new pages now! > On Sat, 2015-01-31 at 01:06 -0700, Brynn wrote: >> Another detail. What about links to specific image in the gallery >> (examples, such as https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/2312/). Can >> they be made with plug-in? Or should I leave as . > > They can be made with links. > > Are you editing the gallery page? Because that's not really a cms page, > it's a gallery listing plugin... which I should fix ;-) > > Martin, > -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!
Oh, I apologize if I explained it wrong to Martin. I didn't mean anything negative, when I said "nicer". So just to be clear, you want me to use the plug-in, but take the /en out of the url? I just started on the Learn page, and ran into the same thing, with the official tutorials. They don't seem to have a listing in the dropdown either. Should I do the same thing with them? Thanks :-) -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:50 AM To: "Brynn" ; "Martin Owens" Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: time to finish my new pages now! > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi Brynn, > > the links to the example files, which are not easily accessible to Mac > users because of the structure of their Inkscape program file, can be > turned into plugin links. > > It was about accessibility, not about it 'being nicer' ;) People who > don't have Inkscape installed can then also take a look, which isn't > bad, as some of those demonstrate the various filters. > > You can link to them like this: https://inkscape.org/gallery/item/2312/ > (take out the /en from the url, please, that way they will automatically > redirect to the language the user chose). It is not currently possible > to select them from the dropdown list. > > Thanks! > > @Martin: some of the files in that examples Inkspace > (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/3506/), like this one: > https://inkscape.org/gallery/item/2312/ , are svgz, and can't be > displayed directly. I had added a thumbnail as a replacement for the > item view, but it is only used in the Inkspace overview, and not > displayed in item view any longer. Do you know why? > > > Kind regards, > Maren > > Am 31.01.2015 um 12:59 schrieb Brynn: >> No, I'm not editing the gallery. I've transferred the new faq content to >> live site, and now > I'm fixing all the links. (not published yet) Maren had loaded all the > share/example files into the gallery, a while ago. I wanted to link to > some of them in the faq. (I think you might have been ill when we > discussed, and she worked on it.) So I think she thought it would be > nicer to have them in the gallery, rather than direct people how to look > them up in their own systems (because we would have to give directions > for all the kinds of systems). >> >> So I was just asking if there is a way to link to one of those images, > using the plug-in. I know how to link to the gallery, using the > plug-in, but not to a specific image. >> >> Thanks :-) >> >> ------ >> From: "Martin Owens" >> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:31 AM >> To: "Brynn" >> Cc: "Maren Hachmann" ; "Inkscape-Docs" > >> Subject: Re: time to finish my new pages now! >> >>> On Sat, 2015-01-31 at 01:06 -0700, Brynn wrote: >>>> Another detail. What about links to specific image in the gallery >>>> (examples, such as https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/2312/). Can >>>> they be made with plug-in? Or should I leave as . >>> >>> They can be made with links. >>> >>> Are you editing the gallery page? Because that's not really a cms page, >>> it's a gallery listing plugin... which I should fix ;-) >>> >>> Martin, >>> >> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iF4EAREIAAYFAlTM65YACgkQKoYx0uUjpE2GrgD+PFlAZBEEaVuRCylThaHA/Owy > kZ4l1PuuqQ/Gltu4dGEA/jRneEk+aQzjoRaokxMDrUcXNp1+c1dgJLOCcB7MqrwD > =ysr1 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!
>> I just started on the Learn page, and ran into the same thing, with the >> official tutorials. They > don't seem to have a listing in the dropdown either. Should I do the > same thing with them? > > - - Correct. Oh, and that was such a simple plan! Leave it to me to find an anomaly. There doesn't seem to be any /en in the url of the tutorials. Example: https://inkscape.org/doc/basic/tutorial-basic.html Should I still use the plug-in, but put the url in as is? Thanks again :-) -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:08 AM To: "Brynn" ; "Martin Owens" Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: time to finish my new pages now! > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi Brynn, > > no need to apologize, I only explained, so other people who read this > will know what it's about. > >> So just to be clear, you want me to use the plug-in, but take the /en >> out of the url? > > - - Yes, that would be good.. > >> I just started on the Learn page, and ran into the same thing, with the >> official tutorials. They > don't seem to have a listing in the dropdown either. Should I do the > same thing with them? > > - - Correct. > > We may need to check those links regularly and keep our eyes open for > users reporting dead links - but right now, this is the only option we > have to link to pictures from a gallery without putting the full gallery > plugin there. > > Regards, > Maren > >> Thanks :-) >> >> -- >> From: "Maren Hachmann" >> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:50 AM >> To: "Brynn" ; "Martin Owens" >> Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" >> Subject: Re: time to finish my new pages now! >> >>> >> Hi Brynn, >> >> the links to the example files, which are not easily accessible to Mac >> users because of the structure of their Inkscape program file, can be >> turned into plugin links. >> >> It was about accessibility, not about it 'being nicer' ;) People who >> don't have Inkscape installed can then also take a look, which isn't >> bad, as some of those demonstrate the various filters. >> >> You can link to them like this: https://inkscape.org/gallery/item/2312/ >> (take out the /en from the url, please, that way they will automatically >> redirect to the language the user chose). It is not currently possible >> to select them from the dropdown list. >> >> Thanks! >> >> @Martin: some of the files in that examples Inkspace >> (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/3506/), like this one: >> https://inkscape.org/gallery/item/2312/ , are svgz, and can't be >> displayed directly. I had added a thumbnail as a replacement for the >> item view, but it is only used in the Inkspace overview, and not >> displayed in item view any longer. Do you know why? >> >> >> Kind regards, >> Maren >> >> Am 31.01.2015 um 12:59 schrieb Brynn: >> >>> No, I'm not editing the gallery. I've transferred the new faq > content to live site, and now >> I'm fixing all the links. (not published yet) Maren had loaded all the >> share/example files into the gallery, a while ago. I wanted to link to >> some of them in the faq. (I think you might have been ill when we >> discussed, and she worked on it.) So I think she thought it would be >> nicer to have them in the gallery, rather than direct people how to look >> them up in their own systems (because we would have to give directions >> for all the kinds of systems). >> >>> >> >>> So I was just asking if there is a way to link to one of those >> >>> images, >> using the plug-in. I know how to link to the gallery, using the >> plug-in, but not to a specific image. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks :-) >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> From: "Martin Owens" >> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:31 AM >> >>> To: "Brynn" >> >>> Cc: "Maren Hachmann" ; "Inkscape-Docs" >> >> >>> Subject: Re: time to finish my new pages now! >> >>> >> >>>> On Sat, 2015-01-31 at 01:06 -0700, Brynn wrote: >> >>>>> Another detail. What about links to specific image in the gallery >> >>>>> (examples,
[Inkscape-docs] official tutorials titles, Tutorials page links
Hi again, I'm sorry that I don't understand exactly how this works. But I don't seem to have the ability to edit those official tutorials. I noticed that some of their titles aren't quite right. As below: Basic tutorial -- ok Advanced tutorial -- ok Shapes tutorial -- ok Bitmap tracing tutorial -- "Inkscape tutorial: Tracing" should be "Inkscape tutorial: Tracing Bitmaps" Calligraphy tutorial -- ok Elements of Design tutorial -- "Inkscape tutorial: Elements" should be "Inkscape tutorial: Elements of Design" Tips and Tricks tutorial -- "Inkscape tutorial: " should be "Inkscape tutorial: Tips and Tricks" Interpolate tutorial -- ok Also, it looks like the links on the Tutorials page aren't made with the plug-in. I'll be glad to get those ready today, if you like. Thanks, brynn -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] ready to translate
Hi Maren and Martin,
Unless you find any errors (and please feel free to check), the new
Learn, Community, and FAQ pages are up on live, linked with the plug-in, and
ready to translate. Also, on the faq, the span is removed from the h4s.
Martin said to leave alone the span where they were in a list item
(unless I misunderstood). So there are still some span ids in the list
items. The only outstanding issue is that there is no link to the manual
for the new Measurement tool (item B.8.), because it hasn't been written yet
(at least not as of last night).
Another minor issue is on Community page under IRC, this link:
irc://irc.freenode.org/#inkscape. I'm not very familiar with that kind of
link, so I didn't have any clues how to fix it, when the plug-in reported
there is an error with it ("not valid", I think it said). So I just left
that as is. I don't know if the problem is the plug-in or the link. But it
seems to work as is, so that's why I left it with .
Beyond those issues, you may particularly want to have a look at the
Contribute section (D.) since it changed drastically, after putting its
content on Contribute page, and the new Promote page.
If I could use rich text, I'd put in a happy dance smiley or 2!
Thanks,
brynn
PS - Martin recently mentioned about announcing changes to the website in
the mailing list, but I'm not clear exactly what kind of changes. Do you
want me to post a message for this? It seems like there have been a lot of
fairly significant changes lately, so maybe there should be a summary, or
something. But again, I wasn't completely clear what he meant -- maybe
meant code changes? TA :-)
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] official tutorials titles, Tutorials page links
Well I don't know if I want to get that involved. It's just that it would make the website look nicer, to have the consistent titles. It's getting a little late for me now, but if I can't finish today (links on Tutorials page), I will asap. Thanks, brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:46 PM To: "Brynn" ; "Martin Owens" ; "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: official tutorials titles, Tutorials page links > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi Brynn, > > the official tutorials are managed by jazzynico. > Please file a bug report about their names on launchpad in inkscape, if > you want them changed. Maybe it's a bug caused by the automatic creation > of those files, but it might also be (partially) intentional. The names > are the same for the tutorials shipped with the current and the last > Inkscape version. > >> Also, it looks like the links on the Tutorials page aren't made with the >> plug-in. I'll be glad to > get those ready today, if you like. > Go ahead ;) > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 31.01.2015 um 19:15 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi again, >>I'm sorry that I don't understand exactly how this works. But > I don't seem to have the ability to edit those official tutorials. I > noticed that some of their titles aren't quite right. As below: >> >> Basic tutorial -- ok >> Advanced tutorial -- ok >> Shapes tutorial -- ok >> Bitmap tracing tutorial -- "Inkscape tutorial: Tracing" should be > "Inkscape tutorial: Tracing Bitmaps" >> Calligraphy tutorial -- ok >> Elements of Design tutorial -- "Inkscape tutorial: Elements" should be > "Inkscape tutorial: Elements of Design" >> Tips and Tricks tutorial -- "Inkscape tutorial: " should be "Inkscape > tutorial: Tips and Tricks" >> Interpolate tutorial -- ok >> >>Also, it looks like the links on the Tutorials page aren't made > with the plug-in. I'll be glad to get those ready today, if you like. >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> >> >> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iF4EAREIAAYFAlTNMS8ACgkQKoYx0uUjpE3h4gD/S5gmAjtVQlpBIS7Q6bUgcCQn > L02QeFxcJEtq9un67vYA/jO/g8mcfgyzWNgCi3jhcllJOLPLWg6WVtTDMOGp/xbr > =e1QM > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] ready to translate
> - - I took care of them - they are now h5 instead of li, so that they
> will appear in the plug-in-generated table of contents.
Something got mixed up in C.17.f.2. when you did that. There should be 2
separate numbered lists (a list of 5 and a list of 2, with a line of text in
between. But now there's just one (list of 7).
And the line that's supposed to be at the end of that item, is above the
list of 7, instead of at the end. Well, I guess you know how to use the
History. But you could compare to the faq on staging, to see how it used to
be, if you need to.
>>If I could use rich text, I'd put in a happy dance smiley or 2!
>
> - - Are you talking about the Microsoft format or some other markup
> language? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format
> HTML already provides all those capabilities, and it doesn't seem worse
> to me than that. Also, this would add an additional layer for
> interpretation, and errors, to the editor
I meant put a smiley in my email, because of being finished with the
project. Not on the website, of course!
Ok good! I'll try to remember to check the manual for the new Measurement
tool info, and add that link when it's available. But beyond that I'm done
with these pages :-D
All best!
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Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:41 PM
To: "Brynn" ; "Inkscape-Docs"
; "Martin Owens"
Subject: Re: ready to translate
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA256
>
> Hi Brynn,
>
>>Unless you find any errors (and please feel free to check), the
>> new Learn, Community, and
> FAQ pages are up on live, linked with the plug-in, and ready to
> translate. Also, on the faq, the span is removed from the h4s.
>
> - - Thank you, Brynn :)
>>Martin said to leave alone the span where they were in a list item
>> (unless I
> misunderstood). So there are still some span ids in the list items.
>
> - - I took care of them - they are now h5 instead of li, so that they
> will appear in the plugin-generated table of contents.
>
>> The only outstanding issue is that there is no link to the manual for the
>> new Measurement tool (item
> B.8.), because it hasn't been written yet (at least not as of last night).
>
> - - I couldn't find any dead link, so I don't see a problem here. We can
> always put in additional info when it's available.
>
>>Another minor issue is on Community page under IRC, this link:
> irc://irc.freenode.org/#inkscape. I'm not very familiar with that kind
> of link, so I didn't have any clues how to fix it, when the plug-in
> reported there is an error with it ("not valid", I think it said). So I
> just left that as is. I don't know if the problem is the plug-in or the
> link. But it seems to work as is, so that's why I left it with .
>
> - - You did the right thing. Our Link plugin does not recognize the irc
> protocol, which is okay - the browser wouldn't know what to do with it,
> either.
>
>>Beyond those issues, you may particularly want to have a look at
>> the Contribute section (D.)
> since it changed drastically, after putting its content on Contribute
> page, and the new Promote page.
>
> - - It's good. I only added in a few words to the first sentence of that
> section.
>
>>If I could use rich text, I'd put in a happy dance smiley or 2!
>
> - - Are you talking about the Microsoft format or some other markup
> language? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format
> HTML already provides all those capabilities, and it doesn't seem worse
> to me than that. Also, this would add an additional layer for
> interpretation, and errors, to the editor
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> brynn
>> PS - Martin recently mentioned about announcing changes to the website
> in the mailing list, but I'm not clear exactly what kind of changes. Do
> you want me to post a message for this? It seems like there have been a
> lot of fairly significant changes lately, so maybe there should be a
> summary, or something. But again, I wasn't completely clear what he
> meant -- maybe meant code changes? TA :-)
>>
> - - No, he meant contents changes. It would be good if you could sum up
> which pages have been changed, and *very* roughly what you changed, so
> the developers (beyond translators, who are kept up to date by me) know
> what is happening to their website ;)
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
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[Inkscape-docs] bug report not in proper account
Hi Martin and Maren, I just happened to notice this bug report in the regular Inkscape Launchpad account: https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1416778. I guess you all already pay enough attention to all the bugs, and you will see it eventually. But in this case, early in the new release, with this complaint, I wanted to make sure you didn't miss it. Probably I dontbut if I do have the right kind of access, is there a way I can sort of "send" this report to the Inkscape-web account? brynn -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] which faq should Help menu open/link to?
Hi Friends, The FAQ item in the Help menu caught my attention just now, and I notice it opens or links to the faq in the wiki. Since we now have a new, and more user oriented faq on the website, I wonder if it should link there, instead? Thoughts, comments? Thanks, brynn -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] complaint about translation
Hi Friends, I saw this message in InkscapeForum http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=18053&p=68680#p68643 and answered it the best I could. But the complaint about the Slovenian translation seems troubling -- the part where 0.91 does not have as much translated content as 0.48.5 had. So I just wanted to let you know. Maybe should be a bug report, but I'll leave that up to you all :-) All best, brynn -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Code of Conduct Vote
Hi Friends, I came close to deleting this from the final draft of the FAQ (2 or 3 times!). But I think it's well written, and good info to have. Once this CoC is published, I'll edit this FAQ item, and simply link to the CoC. Probably, most of everything stated in this FAQ item, is already contained in the CoC draft. But I thought I'd mention it, just in the interest of a thorough treatment for this important document. https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#How_to_communicate_effectively_throughout_the_Inkscape_community,_and_avoid_causing_a_flamewar All best :-) -- From: "Martin Owens" Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 3:43 PM To: "Inkscape Board" ; "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: [Inkscape-docs] Code of Conduct Vote > Dear Board, > > The website's code of conduct text needs redrafting and formally > voting on. It should be a document reflecting the social norms we have > and that these would be in force on the website with moderation and > art submissions. > > This is what we have so far, it's a bit of a fragment paste bin at the > moment: > > https://inkscape.org/en/community/coc/ > > We could do with the help from a friendly inkscape docs contributor to > draft it into something usable as well as the inkscape board to ratify > it with a vote. > > Thanks for all your help. > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > -- > Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, > sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is > your > hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought > leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a > look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] front page staging missing image
Hi Friends, This is probably not very important, but just in case. The yellow bars/ warning/under construction image is missing from the front page of staging. I mentioned it to Maren the other day, and the next time I looked it had been restored. But now it's missing again. So anyway, just in case :-) All best, brynn -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] front page staging missing image
Oh, awesome! Thumbs up, will do :-D Thanks, brynn From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:51 AM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] front page staging missing image > Hi Brynn, > > on staging, this will always happen when someone copies the shield > plugin, which I did recently for French... It's restored now. > > This behaviour will change when staging is updated, Martin has repaired > this in revno: 652 "Shield plugins need to be specific about their tabs > or they end up stealing them when copied". > This does not concern the draft, there the shield exists... > > When you notice, you can repair it this way: double-click on shield in > edit mode, save, and publish page. This may change the strings in the > shield, but well... we can't have everything... ;) > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 21.02.2015 um 18:34 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Friends, >> This is probably not very important, but just in case. The > yellow >> bars/ warning/under construction image is missing from the front page of >> staging. I mentioned it to Maren the other day, and the next time I > looked >> it had been restored. But now it's missing again. So anyway, just in > case >> :-) >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> > -- >> Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server >> from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards >> with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more >> Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE >> > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > > > > -- > Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server > from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards > with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more > Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Hi Martin and Friends, The last link on the Books and Manuals page has recently come to my attention, which is neither a book or a manual: http://www.learnsvg.com/. Maren and I were discussing it, and thought we might need to put the question to the devel list. But I thought well let's ask Martin first. My first thought was to just drop it from the website, being about much more advanced use of SVG than most Inkscape users would be interested in. My second thought was to add another section to the Learn page, with links to info like that (because I have a few more links to info on SVG coding (including for animation, on my site, that could be used here). Or if not on the Learn page, a new page for Learn menu, although I'm not sure if there's enough info for a whole new page. Another one of our thoughts, was add the link to the About SVG section of developer faq on the wiki. And I think we're pretty open for other suggestions, as well. The only thing I am sure of, is that it probably does not belong on the Books and Manuals page :-) Thoughts, suggestions? Thanks, brynn -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And the
other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would inspire
some developers to fill it in?
Maybe there's something on the wiki, about how to use the XML/SVG editor,
that could be used for such a page? I'm not very familiar with wiki
content. And except for this and a couple more linkswell, maybe a
couple of pages from the manual can be linked in. But I don't know what
else would go on this page. Maren asked me to handle this, and while I'm
always glad to help if I can, I'm probably not the best person to do this.
I could do some searching, and maybe collect a few more links. But
organizing it into a meaningful page will be quite challenging for me, and
not a challenge in which I expect I could be very successful.
I'll start on this project, and let you know when I've gone as far as I can.
Then maybe someone else can pick up on it :-)
Thanks,
brynn
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 6:07 AM
To: "Brynn"
Cc: "Inkscape-Docs"
Subject: Re: where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
> A section dedicated towards svg topics would be appropriate. We claim
> to be a an svg editor, not just an editor that uses svg.
>
> But it's also useful to make it separate from normal tutorials and
> help. It's not really advanced, but it is super technical.
>
> Do we have an SVG section for Developers? It'd be good for there with
> any other svg related text?
>
> Martin,
>
> On 22 February 2015 at 22:34, Brynn wrote:
>> Hi Martin and Friends,
>>The last link on the Books and Manuals page has recently come to
>> my
>> attention, which is neither a book or a manual:
>> http://www.learnsvg.com/.
>> Maren and I were discussing it, and thought we might need to put the
>> question to the devel list. But I thought well let's ask Martin first.
>>My first thought was to just drop it from the website, being about
>> much more advanced use of SVG than most Inkscape users would be
>> interested
>> in. My second thought was to add another section to the Learn page, with
>> links to info like that (because I have a few more links to info on SVG
>> coding (including for animation, on my site, that could be used here).
>> Or
>> if not on the Learn page, a new page for Learn menu, although I'm not
>> sure
>> if there's enough info for a whole new page. Another one of our
>> thoughts,
>> was add the link to the About SVG section of developer faq on the wiki.
>>And I think we're pretty open for other suggestions, as well. The
>> only thing I am sure of, is that it probably does not belong on the Books
>> and Manuals page :-)
>>Thoughts, suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> brynn
>>
>>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Ok :-)
I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some searching, the
next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with intro text, if
you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can collaborate from
there. Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas about organizing the
page. It may end up being just a handful of links, butwell, as we've
said, at least it will be a start.
This is a slightly different subject, at the moment, but it's a fairly
popular topic on forums. The way I found what little info I have on SVG
coding, was while searching for info on animation of SVG (for my website).
So my info will have a lot of cross-over with animation. I included some of
that info in the very brief overview of animation in FAQ# A.10
(https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#Can_Inkscape_create_animations?).
And I definitely have enough info, and understand well enough, to make a
page on animation, and the various options that exist currently. (Not like
a tutorial, but a more in depth overview than what I put in the FAQ. And
like with the Promote and Contribute pages, the FAQ can be further shrunk by
simply linking to this proposed new page about animation and SVG.) (And
light bulb! Likewise, the About SVG section of the FAQ can be combined into
this new About SVG page!)
So not only would a page about animation be good content for the site, I
could probably do it. But I wonder if it should be an entirely separate
page? Or should it be a section on this new About SVG page? I guess
technically, the animation of SVG is done via JS and other scripts, which is
a different code. So I guess they should be entirely separate.right?
Maybe I could even make up some simple examples! (uh-oh.could the site,
the django part handle some simple animation of SVG?maybe you guys would
have to set up that part of the page, since I don't understand a lot of
those django plugins?) (Or maybe I could put the examples on my website, and
just provide links from the proposed Animation page. That way can bypass
django.although one should probably expect Inkscape's website to be able
to use SVG!)
Sorry, for starting to ramble. That's how my creative process works, I
guess. Anyway, I'll make sure to finish the About SVG page, before starting
on About Animation :-)
Thanks,
brynn
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:53 PM
To: "Brynn"
Cc: "Inkscape-Docs"
Subject: Re: where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
> On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>> We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And
>> the
>> other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would
>> inspire
>> some developers to fill it in?
>
>
> This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page
> is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
>
> Thanks for your hard work :-)
>
> Martin,
>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
I'll be sure to keep an eye on those, along with the others on the Around
the Internet page (the outside "galleries" page), Community (forums), as
well as Tutorials, if that page ever gets going. (And maybe 1 or 2 in the
new FAQ.)
Bryce, when you say "our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support." do you
mean using SVG 2 on the website, or do you mean reporting about how
Inkscape implements SVG 2?
Thanks for explaining. My brains starts to glaze over when the subject of
'specifications' comes up 8-)
brynn
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Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:05 AM
To: "Martin Owens"
Cc: "Brynn" ; "Inkscape-Docs"
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:53:05PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
>> On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>> > We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And
>> > the
>> > other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would
>> > inspire
>> > some developers to fill it in?
>>
>>
>> This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page
>> is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
>
> This should fit in well with our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support.
>
> One thing to keep in mind though is ensuring the page gets proper
> maintenance going forward; technical stuff bitrots quickly on the web,
> and 3rd party links especially.
>
> Bryce
>
>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
In light of "our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support." which will be
discussing how Inkscape uses SVG 2, maybe we should re-think where to put
such a new page.
I had the impression we were thinking about having it in the Develop menu,
because mostly developers would be interested. But I was still thinking it
should go in Learn, because it would not be strictly limited to interest by
developers.
But if it will also include info about how Inkscape uses SVG 2 (in the
future) maybe that will help determine where it should go?
Meanwhile, I started my search for more websites about this, or other
resources, and may have solved the mystery of how this Learn SVG website got
to be on the Books and Manuals pageor at least shed a lot of light on
it. When searching "learn svg" the first result is that site. However, the
text that's shown in the description of my DDG search:
"A site for the book Learn SVG: The Web Graphics Standard, which is a
beginner-level book presented in a workbook-like format, covering the main
aspects of SVG. Includes examples and tutorials."
must come from either a previous incarnation of that site, or some hidden
source. I don't really understand much about how search engines work, but I
thought they took the first couple of lines of text from the home page, for
the description. In this case, I can't find the description anywhere on
that site. But apparently, the site either used to, or was originally
intended, to promote this book.
The first mention of any book, that I can find, is
https://www.microsoft.com/learning/en-us/book.aspx?ID=15525. But I don't
think that's the book that was supposed to be (or somehow is) promoted,
because it's not a workbook. Anyway, if we can find this book, it certainly
should be listed on Books and Manuals page!
And where to start this new page about SVG should probably be decided,
before we start (or else we'll have to go through the same routine with
changing text links at the last minute, as we did with the recent new
pages).
Should we plan on a whole new main menu item "SVG" with so far, 2 pages -- 1
about learning how to write SVG, and 1 about how Inkscape uses SVG. Or
should it be Learn SVG page in Learn menu, and put info about how Inkscape
uses SVG 2 in News? Or some other arrangement?
Thanks,
brynn
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From: "Bryce Harrington"
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 2:03 AM
To: "Brynn"
Cc: "Martin Owens" ; "Inkscape-Docs"
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 01:50:31AM -0700, Brynn wrote:
>> I'll be sure to keep an eye on those, along with the others on the
>> Around the Internet page (the outside "galleries" page), Community
>> (forums), as well as Tutorials, if that page ever gets going. (And
>> maybe 1 or 2 in the new FAQ.)
>>
>> Bryce, when you say "our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support."
>> do you mean using SVG 2 on the website, or do you mean reporting
>> about how Inkscape implements SVG 2?
>
> The former would be spiffy, but what I meant was the latter.
>
> And more specifically, as SVG 2 is still muchly a work in progress, the
> website could serve a good purpose by providing links to SVG 2
> references and examples, and explaining work needed in inkscape to
> implement the same. This is an area Tav is very passionate about, and
> he might be able to supply you with a lot of information.
>
>> Thanks for explaining. My brains starts to glaze over when the
>> subject of 'specifications' comes up 8-)
>
> I know. :-) They're quite important though!
>
> Bryce
>
>> brynn
>>
>> --
>> From: "Bryce Harrington"
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:05 AM
>> To: "Martin Owens"
>> Cc: "Brynn" ; "Inkscape-Docs"
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG
>> coding)
>>
>> >On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:53:05PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
>> >>On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>> >>> We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And
>> >>> the
>> >>> other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would
>> >>> inspire
>> >>> some developers to fill it in?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page
>> >>is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
>> >
>> >Thi
Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Hi Maren,
I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the overview that
you were going to write, to get some hints about some different search
terms. (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far, I've found a few
tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that we probably want to limit
the "unofficial links", as much as possible.
Martin replied to me privately (for some reason), saying he didn't
think a new menu item is needed, and that he thinks the new page about SVG
should go in Develop menu.
It sounds like the page should have 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses
SVG2 and Learn SVG.
All best,
brynn
PS --
Either I was once again guilty of writing too long of an email, or
simply no one knows what book is referenced in my DDG search, which found
this description of the Learn SVG website.
"A site for the book Learn SVG: The Web Graphics Standard, which is a
beginner-level book presented in a workbook-like format, covering the main
aspects of SVG. Includes examples and tutorials."
I can't find that book mentioned anywhere on that site.
Also, there is more content on learnsvg.org domain, with perhaps the
most important content http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialBasics/ which
is also not linked (not that I could find).
It seems like a good site, but certainly lacking some vital
navigation!
OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a website set up to
accompany a book, doesn't have a link to the book *anywhere* on the site!!
But here it is:
-- free PDF download: http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG
-- purchase:
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page?
All best :-)
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From: "Maren Hachmann"
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:33 AM
To: ; "Inkscape-Docs"
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
>
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>
> Hi Brynn,
>
> finally, I'm back and have some time to write something up.
>
>> Ok :-)
>>
>> I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some
> searching, the
>> next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with intro
> text, if
>> you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can collaborate from
>> there. Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas about organizing the
>> page. It may end up being just a handful of links, butwell, as we've
>> said, at least it will be a start.
>>
>
> Do you already have a list of links which should be included in the SVG
> page and/or the SVG animation page?
> And has there been any progress on where those pages should end up?
> It's also possible to move a page after it has been created, so if we
> don't know where to put it yet, it's not so problematic (Although it
> would help to know the intended audience of a text before writing it...)
> Just don't put it in the menu before it is finished (the little
> red/green sign at the end of the row in the pages list should be red),
> and don't link to it before we know where it will live.
>
>>
>> uh-oh.could the site,
>> the django part handle some simple animation of SVG?maybe you guys
> would
>> have to set up that part of the page, since I don't understand a lot of
>> those django plugins?
>
> - - I think that should work just fine. It only depends on browser
> support, but not on the website. A js-based animation made with sozi can
> be viewed by clicking the 'view' button:
> http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ .
> I copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page
> http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as I didn't have any:
> a SMIL animation can be viewed directly, even in the gallery view; a CSS
> based animation can be viewed with the view button.
>
> Regards,
> Maren
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Oh, that's too bad! The description in DDG starts with "Free ebook download
as PDF file". But I didn't actually try to download it. It must be a
large file! Oh yeah, I see. $9 US for 24 hour access. Well, at least you
can still read it for free.
Ok, I will have a look at that page, and get to work, the next time I'm
online. I'm just about to log off for now. But I'll be back in
touchThurs night or Fri morning (my time).
All best :-)
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Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:24 AM
To: "Brynn" ; "Inkscape-Docs"
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
>
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> Small correction: the text was published in June 2011. The license is
> Attribution Non-commercial, but unfortunately, download is behind a
> paywall. Would have been good if we could have made a backup, just in
> case it will vanish from the web some day...
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Hi again,
This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where does this belong"
thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more about the
new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.
1.I was just looking at the new About SVG page that Maren started,
which looks awesome! The one thing that I wonder about is the section of
code in the middle. It's approx 5.5 pages long, on my screen. Would it be
possible to make the text smaller (say by 2 to 4 pts), so that it takes up
less space? Or show less of the code? Or maybe put it on another page, and
link to it? Or have a very small block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and
when you either click, or mouseover, it expands down?
I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and it's a good
thing. But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will think that's
the end of the page, and move on? Plus, I imagine the "How does Inkscape
use SVG" section could be fairly long, as well.
2.Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll just put the URL
for each link, on the draft page.
3.Now that we have this draft on staging, is there any idea when it
will go up on live? I ask, because I'm anxious to start a page for
animation topics, but want to see this through first.
4.Does anyone know who might be responsible for the Learn SVG site,
or at least who put it on the Books page? It still just bugs me that
various parts of that site aren't connected together (via link from its
front page). It's something that makes me think the site will succumb to
bitrot sooner than later (maybe has already started) and makes me not want
to use it. But otherwise, it really is a nice site.
Thanks,
brynn
--
From: "Maren Hachmann"
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu at
> http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg.
> There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not being
> transferable from staging to live.
> Text formatting isn't finished yet, either.
>
> The last section, where links to external pages will live, is your
> realm, Brynn :)
>
> For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's and every other
> developer's help for prompting me with some keywords, and probably
> people will also have additional remarks for the 'Why...' section.
>
> Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions welcome!
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
> Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann:
>>
>> Hi Brynn,
>>
>> Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn:
>>
>> > I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the overview that
>> > you were going to write, to get some hints about some different
>> > search terms. (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far,
>> > I've found a few tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that
>> > we probably want to limit the "unofficial links", as much as
>> > possible. Martin replied to me privately (for some reason), saying he
>> > didn't think a new menu item is needed, and that he thinks the new
>> > page about SVG should go in Develop menu. It sounds like the page
>> > should have 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG.
>>
>>
>> - Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll definitely need some
>> input from Tav for the specifics...
>>
>> > OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a website set up to
>> > accompany a book, doesn't have a link to the book *anywhere* on the
>> > site!! But here it is: -- free PDF download:
>> > http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- purchase:
>>
>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
>>
>>
>> > Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page?
>>
>> - Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving up digging!
>>
>> Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, with one caveat:
>> The text is from ~ 2003. The principles are probably still the same for
>> the majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, and I believe
>> backwards compatibility is something which is taken seriously by W3C,
>> but many details and tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be
>> outdated, and some new functionality must have been built in in the
>> meantime. There are some nice nostalgic screenshots
[Inkscape-docs] The Graphical Web
Hi Friends, In my search for info for the new About SVG page, I came across this: http://www.graphicalweb.org/2015/. Just curious if anyone from the Inkscape community will participate, or has in the past? Also, at the bottom of that page, I see who is connected to the Learn SVG website. So perhaps it's not about to bitrot away after all (good news)! All best, brynn -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] About SVG page
Hi again,
Ok, I've added a handful of links. I found several more tutorials,
but keeping the outside/unofficial links to a minimum, I ended the list with
a hint to search the internet for more. It will look a lot better when the
actual links are made, of course.
Input from the community welcomed and appreciated.
All best,
brynn
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From: "Maren Hachmann"
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu at
> http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg.
> There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not being
> transferable from staging to live.
> Text formatting isn't finished yet, either.
>
> The last section, where links to external pages will live, is your
> realm, Brynn :)
>
> For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's and every other
> developer's help for prompting me with some keywords, and probably
> people will also have additional remarks for the 'Why...' section.
>
> Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions welcome!
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
> Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann:
>>
>> Hi Brynn,
>>
>> Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn:
>>
>> > I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the overview that
>> > you were going to write, to get some hints about some different
>> > search terms. (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far,
>> > I've found a few tutorials (on writing SVG). Although I agree that
>> > we probably want to limit the "unofficial links", as much as
>> > possible. Martin replied to me privately (for some reason), saying he
>> > didn't think a new menu item is needed, and that he thinks the new
>> > page about SVG should go in Develop menu. It sounds like the page
>> > should have 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG.
>>
>>
>> - Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll definitely need some
>> input from Tav for the specifics...
>>
>> > OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a website set up to
>> > accompany a book, doesn't have a link to the book *anywhere* on the
>> > site!! But here it is: -- free PDF download:
>> > http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- purchase:
>>
>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard
>>
>>
>> > Those should probably go on Books and Manuals page?
>>
>> - Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving up digging!
>>
>> Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, with one caveat:
>> The text is from ~ 2003. The principles are probably still the same for
>> the majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, and I believe
>> backwards compatibility is something which is taken seriously by W3C,
>> but many details and tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be
>> outdated, and some new functionality must have been built in in the
>> meantime. There are some nice nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in
>> contrast to the text, even IE now supports SVG... ;)
>> So we'll need to add a hint about the age of the text, and about the
>> areas where it is still valid, and where it is not. I can't really judge
>> this, unfortunately. Another question for Tav, I'm afraid.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Maren
>>
>>
>> > All best :-)
>>
>> > -- From: "Maren
>> > Hachmann" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015
>> > 9:33 AM To: ; "Inkscape-Docs"
>> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs]
>> > where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
>>
>> >>
>> > Hi Brynn,
>>
>> > finally, I'm back and have some time to write something up.
>>
>> >>>> Ok :-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some
>> > searching, the
>> >>>> next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with
>> >>>> intro
>> > text, if
>> >>>> you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can
>> >>>> collaborate from there. Maybe during my search I'll get some
>> >>>> ideas about organizing the page. It may end
Re: [Inkscape-docs] The Graphical Web
Honestly, I'm just curious. I didn't mean to passive-aggressively (if that's a word?) volunteer anyone. brynn -- From: "Alexandre Prokoudine" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 5:49 PM To: "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] The Graphical Web > On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Brynn wrote: >> Hi Friends, >> In my search for info for the new About SVG page, I came across >> this: http://www.graphicalweb.org/2015/. Just curious if anyone from >> the >> Inkscape community will participate, or has in the past? > > You mean like Tavmjong Bah who's been attending most SVG Working Group > events for the past 5 years or so? > > Alex > > -- > Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, > sponsored > by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for > all > things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs > to > news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the > conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] About SVG page
Hi Maren,
Yeah, that shorter section of code really looks better. If we don't want to
have an expandable section, or link to the whole amount of code, maybe just
a note about how to find it, if someone wants to see the whole thing? (e.g.
open it in Inkscape and look at XML Editor, or look at source code in a
browser)
Hah, I have the SVG 2.0 draft on my list, but somehow it didn't make it onto
the page. Although on the other hand, I didn't realize I was finished
completely! I do still want to add the Learn SVG website, and the tutorials
which are on that same domain (although somehow not linked to each other),
if that's ok, as well as the book. I was still hoping to get some more info
about the Learn SVG site, before putting it on About SVG page. But now I'm
thinking I won't be getting anymore info. And I'll just plan on keeping an
eye on the link.
But I'll be happy to start a page on animation topics. It will be fun and
informative :-) Should it be in Learn sub-menu, or Develop? I would think
Learn, but I often don't see the "big picture".
All best,
brynn
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From: "Maren Hachmann"
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 5:33 PM
To: "Brynn" ;
Subject: Re: About SVG page
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA256
>
> Hi Brynn,
>
> thank you for your feedback!
>
> ad 1)
> I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen heights. The
> expanding box would be nice, but we don't have something like that
> available currently, I believe. Maybe something for a website feature
> request?
>
> ad 3)
> No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav. This shouldn't
> prevent you from starting with the animation page, though. I can take
> care of the rest of this page ('About SVG'), if you would like to proceed.
>
> The link selection you added to the page looks like a really good
> selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link list, and renamed
> two items. Thank you!
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
> Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn:
>> Hi again,
>>This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where does this belong"
> thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more about
> the new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.
>>
>> 1.I was just looking at the new About SVG page that Maren
> started, which looks awesome! The one thing that I wonder about is the
> section of code in the middle. It's approx 5.5 pages long, on my
> screen. Would it be possible to make the text smaller (say by 2 to 4
> pts), so that it takes up less space? Or show less of the code? Or
> maybe put it on another page, and link to it? Or have a very small
> block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and when you either click, or
> mouseover, it expands down?
>>I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and it's a
> good thing. But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will
> think that's the end of the page, and move on? Plus, I imagine the "How
> does Inkscape use SVG" section could be fairly long, as well.
>>
>> 2.Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll just put the
> URL for each link, on the draft page.
>>
>> 3.Now that we have this draft on staging, is there any idea
> when it will go up on live? I ask, because I'm anxious to start a page
> for animation topics, but want to see this through first.
>>
>> 4.Does anyone know who might be responsible for the Learn SVG
> site, or at least who put it on the Books page? It still just bugs me
> that various parts of that site aren't connected together (via link from
> its front page). It's something that makes me think the site will
> succumb to bitrot sooner than later (maybe has already started) and
> makes me not want to use it. But otherwise, it really is a nice site.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> brynn
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Maren Hachmann"
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG
> coding)
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu at
>>> http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg.
>>> There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not being
>>> transferable from staging to live.
>>> Text formatting isn't finished yet, either.
>>>
>>> The last section,
Re: [Inkscape-docs] About SVG page
Hi again,
Hhmm...well now I'm having 2nd thoughts about adding those
tutorials. Can you look at them, and judge whether they are too
out-of-date? Or do you think they will be about like the book -- still
useful? It's all a bit over my head, especially the math and scripting.
These are the tutorials that share the same domain:
http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialBasics/
http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialMath/
http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialScripting/
It's too bad everything isn't all linked together, like you'd
expect, then we'd only need to link to the front page. But maybe there's a
reason?
Thanks :-)
brynn
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Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:56 PM
To: "Brynn" ;
Subject: Re: About SVG page
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA256
>
> Hi Brynn,
>
>> I do still want to add the Learn SVG website,
>> and the tutorials which are on that same domain (although somehow not
>> linked to each other), if that's ok, as well as the book.
>
> - - The website and book are in now, and I've gotten feedback from Tav
> and adapted the page, so you can now add the still missing tutorials ;)
>
>>
>> But I'll be happy to start a page on animation topics. It will be
>> fun and informative :-) Should it be in Learn sub-menu, or Develop?
>> I would think Learn, but I often don't see the "big picture".
>
> - - To me, Learn also makes more sense, as it's geared towards a more
> general audience - not only Inkscape developers want to make their
> pictures move ;)
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
>
>>
>> -- From: "Maren
>> Hachmann" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015
>> 5:33 PM To: "Brynn" ;
>> Subject: Re: About SVG page
>>
>>>
>> Hi Brynn,
>>
>> thank you for your feedback!
>>
>> ad 1) I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen heights.
>> The expanding box would be nice, but we don't have something like
>> that available currently, I believe. Maybe something for a website
>> feature request?
>>
>> ad 3) No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav. This
>> shouldn't prevent you from starting with the animation page, though.
>> I can take care of the rest of this page ('About SVG'), if you would
>> like to proceed.
>>
>> The link selection you added to the page looks like a really good
>> selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link list, and
>> renamed two items. Thank you!
>>
>> Regards, Maren
>>
>> Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn:
>>>>> Hi again, This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where does
>>>>> this belong"
>> thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more
>> about the new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.I was just looking at the new About SVG page that
>>>>> Maren
>> started, which looks awesome! The one thing that I wonder about is
>> the section of code in the middle. It's approx 5.5 pages long, on
>> my screen. Would it be possible to make the text smaller (say by 2
>> to 4 pts), so that it takes up less space? Or show less of the code?
>> Or maybe put it on another page, and link to it? Or have a very
>> small block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and when you either click,
>> or mouseover, it expands down?
>>>>> I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and it's a
>> good thing. But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will
>> think that's the end of the page, and move on? Plus, I imagine the
>> "How does Inkscape use SVG" section could be fairly long, as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll just
>>>>> put the
>> URL for each link, on the draft page.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.Now that we have this draft on staging, is there any
>>>>> idea
>> when it will go up on live? I ask, because I'm anxious to start a
>> page for animation topics, but want to see this through first.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.Does anyone know who might be responsible for the
>>>>> Learn SVG
>> site, or at least who put it on the Books page? It still just bugs
>> me that various parts of that site aren't connected together (via
>> link from
Re: [Inkscape-docs] About SVG page
Well, I wasn't sure if they were broken, or if I just didn't understand
SVG/XML. I couldn't figure out how to use the tutorials. Maybe that's why
they don't link to them anymore.
I agree. Let's leave them out :-)
brynn
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From: "Maren Hachmann"
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:20 PM
To: "Brynn" ;
Subject: Re: About SVG page
> Hi Brynn,
>
> can your IE still interpret the contents of those tutorials? - For me,
> they don't work at all, neither in Chromium nor in Firefox. And also,
> all links I clicked on on the formular or list page were dead. There are
> some boxes, and they are clickable, but nothing happens.
> Some of the js the website needs doesn't even exist any more.
>
> I think you can happily leave them out... or do they work for you?
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
> Am 10.03.2015 um 02:41 schrieb Brynn:
>> Hi again, Hhmm...well now I'm having 2nd thoughts about adding those
>> tutorials. Can you look at them, and judge whether they are too
>> out-of-date? Or do you think they will be about like the book --
>> still useful? It's all a bit over my head, especially the math and
>> scripting. These are the tutorials that share the same domain:
>> http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialBasics/
>> http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialMath/
>> http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialScripting/ It's too bad
>> everything isn't all linked together, like you'd expect, then we'd
>> only need to link to the front page. But maybe there's a reason?
>>
>> Thanks :-) brynn
>>
>> -- From: "Maren
>> Hachmann" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:56
>> PM To: "Brynn" ;
>> Subject: Re: About SVG page
>>
>>>
>> Hi Brynn,
>>
>>>>> I do still want to add the Learn SVG website, and the tutorials
>>>>> which are on that same domain (although somehow not linked to
>>>>> each other), if that's ok, as well as the book.
>>
>> - The website and book are in now, and I've gotten feedback from Tav
>> and adapted the page, so you can now add the still missing tutorials
>> ;)
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But I'll be happy to start a page on animation topics. It will
>>>>> be fun and informative :-) Should it be in Learn sub-menu, or
>>>>> Develop? I would think Learn, but I often don't see the "big
>>>>> picture".
>>
>> - To me, Learn also makes more sense, as it's geared towards a more
>> general audience - not only Inkscape developers want to make their
>> pictures move ;)
>>
>> Regards, Maren
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- From:
>>>>> "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Saturday,
>>>>> March 07, 2015 5:33 PM To: "Brynn" ;
>>>>> Subject: Re: About SVG
>>>>> page
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Brynn,
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you for your feedback!
>>>>>
>>>>> ad 1) I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen
>>>>> heights. The expanding box would be nice, but we don't have
>>>>> something like that available currently, I believe. Maybe
>>>>> something for a website feature request?
>>>>>
>>>>> ad 3) No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav.
>>>>> This shouldn't prevent you from starting with the animation
>>>>> page, though. I can take care of the rest of this page ('About
>>>>> SVG'), if you would like to proceed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The link selection you added to the page looks like a really
>>>>> good selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link
>>>>> list, and renamed two items. Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Maren
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn:
>>>>>>>> Hi again, This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where
>>>>>>>> does this belong"
>>>>> thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become
>>>>> more about the new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread
>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1.I was just looking at the new
[Inkscape-docs] manual page re animation
Hi Friends, I've just started working on a new page for the website, about animation and Inkscape. So I was looking at the info in the manual, and I noticed this page: http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/. The illustration in the middle section of that page, Animation and CSS, doesn't seem to work with Firefox. The other 2 illustrations do show the animation when I click on them. But nothing with the one in the middle. Note that the image is animated on click, in IE11. Is this a known problem -- with the manual or with Firefox? Should make bug report in LP Documentation account? Thanks for your help, brynn -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] manual page re animation
Yes, I read the text over and over again. But I just didn't understand it. It sounds like there's some issue with Firefox, but that's all I could understand. It says: "One must explicitly force the image to reload." But it doesn't say how to do that. It does work to right-click > View Image. But that opens the image in a new page. Once on that new page, Refresh/Reload does restart the animation. Well, I guess that's good info for people who are exploring animation with Inkscape. But I couldn't have figured it out on my own. Then it says: "Both Firefox and Chrome require the "date" trick as used for Chrome above." But that seems to apply to how the page is coded, and not how the visitor can make the page work. It clearly says "Click image to reload". But that doesn't work. And if applying the "date trick" will allow the animation to work, it must not have been used for this image. Why? [Looks up source] Oh, but it HAS been used! So I think something must be wrong. Right? Thanks again, brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 5:01 PM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] manual page re animation > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi Brynn, > > you cannot see the animation of the middle picture, because it only runs > when the page is loaded for the first time, if I understand the text > above the picture correctly (never saw the animation when I just loaded > the page). > As it is in the middle of he page, it will not be visible to you - or > maybe, it doesn't run at all, I can't tell. > > To see it move, you need to right-click on the image, and select 'show > picture' or 'view picture' or whatever it is in the english Firefox > version. > > As Tav mentions this on the page itself, I think this won't need a bug > report, it's probably more of a Firefox animation implementation problem. > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 23.03.2015 um 01:43 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Friends, >> I've just started working on a new page for the website, about >> animation and Inkscape. So I was looking at the info in the manual, > and I >> noticed this page: http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/. >> The illustration in the middle section of that page, Animation > and >> CSS, doesn't seem to work with Firefox. The other 2 illustrations do > show >> the animation when I click on them. But nothing with the one in the > middle. >> Note that the image is animated on click, in IE11. >> Is this a known problem -- with the manual or with Firefox? > Should >> make bug report in LP Documentation account? >> >> Thanks for your help, >> brynn >> >> >> >> > -- >> Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, > sponsored >> by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub > for all >> things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership > blogs to >> news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the >> conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iF4EAREIAAYFAlUR7OEACgkQKoYx0uUjpE3ZcgD/XPmF3mjBcFm5SGaqIff747NI > JpqL2MJJMex+TYRD/ggBAJFAaSFF5/PaUxxnFaU3fKfG9RJ5el6UP/fNhKF6aLt/ > =hxKZ > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > -- > Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, > sponsored > by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for > all > things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs > to > news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the > conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] how to use Edit Link on website
Hi Friends, I just made some links on the proposed new animation page that I've been working on, and saved the page. But something went wrong, and not all the links worked. (When I clicked on the links, on the saved page to test, nothing happened.) So I went back into the editor and used right-click > Edit Link. But it does not show the URL, so I can't get any idea what I did wrong. All I could do was re-create the link, and hope it worked the 2nd time. But not knowing what I had done wrong, theoretically it could have gone on like that forever! Will there be any way to have the URL displayed somewhere from the django editor? I can always close out the editor, and use my browser to see what it was showing as the URL. But it might not have been the URL that was the problem. I really don't know what the problem was, in this case, because I didn't think of using the browser the first time. I just re-created the links, and now they do work. When I use Edit Link, the first thing that shows is a small dropdown menu with 3 options. When I choose URL, it shows me Procol dropdown and a URL field that's blank. So if we have to use CMS Plugins > Link to correct a broken link, why bother having Edit Link in the context menu at all? Thanks for your help :-) brynn -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] "M"s are light on web site/new site?
Hi Friends, Has anyone else ever noticed how all the capital letters M, on the website, look like they were typed with a typewriter whose M key has a weak spring? See attachments. I guess that must be something to do with the font? I guess most people would never notice it. But ever since I noticed it, I can't seem to ignore it! Anyway, a while ago there was some talk about making a new site, with responsive design, and I had some wishes for different text/heading styles, and a few other things. I'm just curious if anything is happening with that? Thanks, brynn -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] "M"s are light on web site/new site?
Well I don't understand enough about how the website works, to know what font I'm supposed to be seeing. But I thought in general that websites are set up so that if someone doesn't have that font installed, either there's some kind of script (or something) that provides it for me, or I see the fallback font. I don't know what font I'm actually seeing. I do know that I'd like to see some better styles than what I actually see. But maybe I'm not seeing the correct font?? brynn -- From: "Bryce Harrington" Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 8:58 PM To: "Brynn" Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] "M"s are light on web site/new site? > On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 07:57:04PM -0600, Brynn wrote: >> Hi Friends, >>Has anyone else ever noticed how all the capital letters M, >> on the website, look like they were typed with a typewriter whose M >> key has a weak spring? See attachments. >>I guess that must be something to do with the font? > > The site doesn't look like that to me. Perhaps something is wrong with > that font on your system? > > Bryce > >>I guess most people would never notice it. But ever since I >> noticed it, I can't seem to ignore it! >>Anyway, a while ago there was some talk about making a new >> site, with responsive design, and I had some wishes for different >> text/heading styles, and a few other things. >>I'm just curious if anything is happening with that? >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> > > > > > > > > >> -- >> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud >> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications >> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights >> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y > >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref?
Hi Friends, I wonder if anyone else would like to see this, or thinks it should happen? I've noticed that the Inkscape Keyboard and Mouse Reference has been moved to the websitesome time ago, actually. (https://inkscape.org/en/doc/keys091.html). Often I want to look something up, on that page, but I don't have Inkscape open at the moment. (Usually it's to answer forum messages.) I think it would be nice to have a link to it, in a menu, or somewhere relatively easy to findlike maybe on the Learn page? Or is there already a link somewhere, and I just haven't found it yet? I tried using the site Search. Some results were found, but not that page. (tried several different search tems) Thanks :-) All best, brynn -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref?
I'm thinking either Learn menu or Learn page. I guess for the Learn menu, to continue with the current structure, the URL should be http:///learn/keys091, or something like that. I also guess there's probably a way to put it in the menu without changing it's URL (although I'm not immediately sure how). But putting a link on the Learn page, that issue goes away. Another option might be Tutorials page. But it's not really a tutorial. Just my thoughts :-) brynn -- From: "Martin Owens" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 7:47 AM To: "Brynn" Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref? > I agree with your thoughts Brynn, > > Where to put a good link to the docs page? We can choose a menu item > or we can link from another page. > > Any ideas. > > Martin, > > On 18 May 2015 at 06:22, Brynn wrote: >> Hi Friends, >> I wonder if anyone else would like to see this, or thinks it >> should >> happen? I've noticed that the Inkscape Keyboard and Mouse Reference has >> been moved to the websitesome time ago, actually. >> (https://inkscape.org/en/doc/keys091.html). >> Often I want to look something up, on that page, but I don't have >> Inkscape open at the moment. (Usually it's to answer forum messages.) I >> think it would be nice to have a link to it, in a menu, or somewhere >> relatively easy to findlike maybe on the Learn page? >> Or is there already a link somewhere, and I just haven't found it >> yet? I tried using the site Search. Some results were found, but not >> that >> page. (tried several different search tems) >> Thanks :-) >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> >> -- >> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud >> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications >> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights >> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] how to use Edit Link on website
Ooohh, Edit Plugin. Yes that works just fine! That solves my problem. Thanks again, brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:32 AM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] how to use Edit Link on website > > Am 18.05.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Friends, >> I just made some links on the proposed new animation page that >> I've >> been working on, and saved the page. But something went wrong, and not >> all >> the links worked. (When I clicked on the links, on the saved page to >> test, >> nothing happened.) >> So I went back into the editor and used right-click > Edit Link. > - That's possible, but better choose 'Edit Plugin' (see below). You > could also just double-click on the link in the text editor. >> But it does not show the URL, > - Do you mean the URL field is empty? > Which links does this concern? > The 'internal' links can only be seen in the dropdown. For those it is > normal that there is nothing in the URL field. > >> so I can't get any idea what I did wrong. All >> I could do was re-create the link, and hope it worked the 2nd time. But >> not >> knowing what I had done wrong, theoretically it could have gone on like >> that >> forever! > - Just ask, like you did now ;) >> Will there be any way to have the URL displayed somewhere from >> the >> django editor? I can always close out the editor, and use my browser to >> see >> what it was showing as the URL. But it might not have been the URL that >> was >> the problem. I really don't know what the problem was, in this case, >> because I didn't think of using the browser the first time. I just >> re-created the links, and now they do work. > - I usually have the original version open in a second tab... >> When I use Edit Link, the first thing that shows is a small >> dropdown >> menu with 3 options. When I choose URL, it shows me Procol dropdown and >> a >> URL field that's blank. > - Aaaah, now we get to it. Use 'Edit Plugin', not 'Edit Link'. It's a > link plugin you inserted, so a link plugin needs to be edited. > >> So if we have to use CMS Plugins > Link to correct >> a broken link, why bother having Edit Link in the context menu at all? > - That's a good question. The editor offers some additional options for > setting properties of the link via 'Edit Link' (never tried if they > work!), but the wording is a bit inappropriate - it seems supposed to > mean 'Edit additional link properties', not 'Edit URL' ;) Maybe that was > just too long... > > If you have 'non-plugin' links, those can be edited via 'Edit link', > also their URL, as one would expect. > > Regards, > Maren >> >> Thanks for your help :-) >> brynn >> >> > > > > -- > One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref?
Hi Maren and all,
I think it's neither a book or a manual, so I have some concern
about it being on that page. The new FAQ item sounds great though!
I guess you must have a reason for not having it on the Learn page?
I understand about not being in the menu. I don't agree, but I understand.
But to me, Learn page seems more appropriate.
Discuss?
Thanks,
brynn
--
From: "Maren Hachmann"
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:49 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref?
> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I would link them from 'Books and Manuals' and from the FAQ ('Where can
>> I find a list of keyboard commands?' or similar), I wouldn't create an
>> extra menu item for this, and those are the pages where I would look for
>> this kind of info.
>>
> I have just added the proposed links to those pages:
>
> https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#Where_to_find_a_list_of_all_keyboard_shortcuts
> and
> https://inkscape.org/en/learn/books/
>
> Any improvement suggestions before I send this out to translators (and
> translate myself)?
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref?
Hi Maren, Oh, now I understand much better! But I still have a couple of questions. > I did not want to make this an extra menu item, because that menu item > would then lead to a page with only a single link on it. > This would not make too much sense, in my opinion. I don't understand that. Why does it matter if the Keys and Mouse Reference only has 1 link on it? > Why I would not want to put it on the main 'Learn' page is because I > consider that page an overview of the sub-sections, which is supposed to > help you find the right subsection. The Learn page happens to be that, an overview with links leading to the sub-pages. But not all of the main menu pages are strictly an overview. For example, the Community page has content of its own, that does not have any sub-pages. And there are sub-pages or sub-menu items which are not previewed on the main Community page. > I do not like the duplication of links too much for maintenance reasons. I don't understand what you mean about duplication of links. I guess I would not mind it being on Books and Manuals page, if it was re-named Books, Manuals, Reference, or something that indicates the Keys reference might be there And I see that the command line ref is there too. I didn't realize that was there. It must have been added since the last time I looked at that page. So if the menu item and page name indicates that references are there, it gives visitors a clue. If I were an Inkscape user who hasn't figured out how to use the Help menu, I probably would not guess that I could find the Keys ref on the Books page. Books, Manuals and Refs is probably too long for the menu. How about just Manuals and Reference. Because books about Inkscape really are manuals anyway. Or maybe "Manuals, Reference"? Thanks for discussion :-) -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 1:17 PM To: "Donna Benjamin" ; "Brynn" Cc: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref? > Hi, > > okay, so let me explain why I thought it would be good if the link to > the keyboard reference lived in 'Books and Manuals'. > > To me, a keyboard reference is something that should be part of the > manual. It belongs into the 'documentation' section. > We do not have a page called 'Documentation', but the thing which is > nearest to this is 'Manual'. > I would not want to delete it from that page again, because it (for > me...) so clearly belongs there. > > I did not want to make this an extra menu item, because that menu item > would then lead to a page with only a single link on it. > This would not make too much sense, in my opinion. > > Why I would not want to put it on the main 'Learn' page is because I > consider that page an overview of the sub-sections, which is supposed to > help you find the right subsection. > I do not like the duplication of links too much for maintenance reasons. > We will have to exchange the link in several places for the next version > and for (up to) 12 languages. That's the kind of work I would like to > avoid - the links are version specific, unfortunately. > > If we add it in to the section overview page, too, someone needs to want > to do all the exchange work. I have done this for one Inkscape version > (almost) alone already, and I'd really be happy if it would be limited > to the strictly necessary. > > If you still want to add it, we can do so, of course - majority vote ;) > > Kind regards, > Maren > > Am 23.05.2015 um 19:21 schrieb Donna Benjamin: >> I'd say it makes sense to reference the shortcuts from the learn page. >> >> Via mobile. >> >>> On 22 May 2015, at 4:12 am, Brynn wrote: >>> >>> Hi Maren and all, >>>I think it's neither a book or a manual, so I have some concern >>> about it being on that page. The new FAQ item sounds great though! >>>I guess you must have a reason for not having it on the Learn >>> page? >>> I understand about not being in the menu. I don't agree, but I >>> understand. >>> But to me, Learn page seems more appropriate. >>>Discuss? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> brynn >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Maren Hachmann" >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:49 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref? >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> I would link them from 'Books and M
Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref?
> Oh no! Maybe that was what you meant all the time?... No, that page with 1 link makes no sense. Yes, I was thinking a direct link - the menu goes directly to that page. I have not looked into whether that's possible (without changing the url), but it seems like it should be. Although, read on > - How about the more standard 'Documentation' or 'Docs and Literature'? > But yes, that's essentially what I'd like most. It would collect things > that belong together on one page, and make it quite clear what that page > is about. Yes, I like that! (so putting it in the Learn menu can be forgotten, for me) > I'm only a little hesitant about renaming the page, because other people > may have linked to it... *If* we change the name, we should create a > redirect (so old links will still lead to the page), and also be very > certain about the new name, so we won't change it another time (and need > another redirect). Would we have to change the link/URL? Isn't it possible to change the text of the menu, without changing the page name? I thought I did that somewhere, a while ago. Yes, in the Learn menu, I changed "Videos" to "Video Tutorials". I had approval on that in an e mail thread, although it was quite a while ago. (I might not even still have that thread.) Maybe for the long term, that's not a very good idea. But if the next new website is coming up within.let's say a year, maybe it wouldn't be so bad? All best, brynn ------ From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 7:40 PM To: "Brynn" ; "Inkscape-Docs" Cc: "Donna Benjamin" Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref? > Hi Brynn, >> >>> I did not want to make this an extra menu item, because that menu item >>> would then lead to a page with only a single link on it. >>> This would not make too much sense, in my opinion. >> >> I don't understand that. Why does it matter if the Keys and Mouse >> Reference only has 1 link on it? > > - Because we would make an extra menu entry for a page like this: > http://staging.inkscape.org/en/keyboard-and-mouse-reference > That menu entry would make the corresponding sub-menu longer, it creates > an extra page which needs to be edited separately, and the resulting > page is largely empty. I think it's not worth all this 'extra', if we > can find a home for that link somewhere else. > Of course if we could directly include the reference on the page, then > it would make a lot more sense... > Oh no! Maybe that was what you meant all the time?... > >> >>> Why I would not want to put it on the main 'Learn' page is because I >>> consider that page an overview of the sub-sections, which is supposed to >>> help you find the right subsection. >> >> The Learn page happens to be that, an overview with links leading to >> the sub-pages. But not all of the main menu pages are strictly an >> overview. For example, the Community page has content of its own, that >> does not have any sub-pages. And there are sub-pages or sub-menu >> items which are not previewed on the main Community page. >> > - Right :) >>> I do not like the duplication of links too much for maintenance reasons. >> >> I don't understand what you mean about duplication of links. >> > - The link would be on the Manual page *and* on the Learn page. That's > two, because I'd want to keep it next to the manual in any case ;) (just > as the tutorials are duplicates, and they are a pain to edit, when you > need to find out their respective links for all those languages. Because > of the plugin links, simple copy-paste doesn't work, either...) > >> I guess I would not mind it being on Books and Manuals page, if it was >> re-named Books, Manuals, Reference, or something that indicates the >> Keys reference might be there And I see that the command line ref is >> there too. I didn't realize that was there. It must have been added >> since the last time I looked at that page. >> >> So if the menu item and page name indicates that references are there, >> it gives visitors a clue. If I were an Inkscape user who hasn't >> figured out how to use the Help menu, I probably would not guess that >> I could find the Keys ref on the Books page. >> >> Books, Manuals and Refs is probably too long for the menu. How about >> just Manuals and Reference. Because books about Inkscape really are >> manuals anyway. Or maybe "Manuals, Reference"? >>
[Inkscape-docs] speaking of Books, Manuals page
Hi Friends, During discussion about placement Key and Mouse Ref page, I was looking at the Books and Manuals page, and realized that it doesn't follow the style on some other pages. I mean the h3 heading sections, where on other pages, such as Learn, the heading is a link. Should it be so on Books and Manuals? If yes, I can do it. Also, should "Manuals and quick references" be split into "Manuals" and "References"? If so, I can do it :-) All best, brynn -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] images in gallery used for advertising?
Hi Friends, I saw a relatively new image in the gallery, which seems to be there for the purpose of advertising, and nothing else. It's not an image made with Inkscape, or even vector-related. https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/5691/ It seems to be only for the purpose of advertising tagxedo and tagxedo.com. Should be allowed? I realize there could be much worse abuses (and there have been, already), but I'm curious how the Inkscape community sees this. Thanks for discussion :-) All best, brynn -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] images in gallery used for advertising?
Hhmm, that's a good point. Maybe there should be a way to have website admins of a certain level, have inkscape.org email address? Just a thought. Or.well I'm a little curious why you would contact them and ask them to remove it, vs just removing it. As a forum admin, I don't ask spammers to remove their spam. I just ban them and delete their message. And I don't think that's being heavy handed, as far as spamming is concerned. Is it because we don't have an easy delete button yet? brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:54 AM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] images in gallery used for advertising? > Hi Brynn, > > thanks for noticing. I'll write to the user and ask him to remove the > advertising. > Keep an eye on it and remind me if it's still there in a week or so. > > (and I wish there were a way to *not* use my own mail address for this > kind of thing - it doesn't look 'official', I don't want spam, and I > wouldn't mind sharing this kind of mails with others in a more official > kind of way (I'll be CC'ing Martin), without disclosing the recipient's > mail address on a mailing list...) > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 27.05.2015 um 16:05 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Friends, >> I saw a relatively new image in the gallery, which seems to be >> there >> for the purpose of advertising, and nothing else. It's not an image made >> with Inkscape, or even vector-related. >> https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/5691/ It seems to be only for the >> purpose of advertising tagxedo and tagxedo.com. >> Should be allowed? I realize there could be much worse abuses >> (and >> there have been, already), but I'm curious how the Inkscape community >> sees >> this. Thanks for discussion :-) >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> >> -- >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > > > -- > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] speaking of Books, Manuals page
Hi "Inkscape, A Guide to a Vector Drawing Program, 4th Edition" would link to http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/index.php "FLOSS Manuals: Inkscape" would link to http://en.flossmanuals.net/inkscape And etc. For those 2 above, there are other links in each section, but your argument to me for making the heading into a link, was convenience. So I was just thinking it would make it more convenient. It's not going to prevent anyone from clicking the other links, if they want to. But most people will be going for the main manual, in both cases. For all the rest, there is only 1 link in each. brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:53 PM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] speaking of Books, Manuals page > Hi Brynn, > > what would you want to link to from the headings? > There's no single book, reference or manual that could be linked to from > them... what was your plan? > > Splitting up manuals and references would be okay for me, although I > wouldn't think that's strictly necessary. > There are only four items under the common heading anyway. > Not enough to make it difficult to get a quick overview for a site > visitor ;) > Still, go ahead if you feel it will help readability. You seem to have a > good sense for that. > > Regards, > Maren > > > Am 24.05.2015 um 14:40 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Friends, >> During discussion about placement Key and Mouse Ref page, I was >> looking at the Books and Manuals page, and realized that it doesn't >> follow >> the style on some other pages. >> I mean the h3 heading sections, where on other pages, such as >> Learn, >> the heading is a link. Should it be so on Books and Manuals? If yes, I >> can >> do it. >> Also, should "Manuals and quick references" be split into >> "Manuals" >> and "References"? If so, I can do it :-) >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> >> -- >> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud >> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications >> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights >> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > > > -- > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] Fw: wiki, website offline?
Sorry, I meant to send this to the list in the first place, just to get the most attention. brynn -- From: "Brynn" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 6:31 PM To: "Martin Owens" ; "Maren Hachmann" Subject: wiki, website offline? > Hi Friends, >I'm getting timeouts trying to open any wiki page, or even the > website. The problem does not seem to be on my end. I have internet > access and can open other webpages, send and receive email, etc. > In case you aren't aware :-) > > Thanks, > brynn > > -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] bug? website messaging
Hi Friends, Just posting here, since I'm not sure if this should go in a bug report or not. If so, lmk and I'll make report. Actually, it might be 2 issues. I've had a browser tab open to the website for most of today, and I'm logged in. 1 -- Even though there was a new message in mydo we call it exactly an inbox? Anyway, there was a fresh message there, for over 6 hours, and I never saw the icon flashing. And I looked at...at least a couple of pages in that time.maybe 3 or 4. However, I'm not certain enough to call it broken, without some specific testing (with some new messages). 2 -- I am more certain about this one. I opened Maren's new About Screen Contest draft page, just a few minutes ago, and the message icon was not flashing. After reading the email from the mailing list, (about the About Screen Contest page) I wanted to make a reply about using the messaging system for voting, but I wanted to check and make sure about the names of the message sender being shown, before I sent the reply. So I moused over my message icon and it showed All Messages (4), and Also it showed 1 New Message. At the instant I clicked on 1 New Message, the icon started flashing. I'm not sure about the status of my Firefox plugin that blocks the referrer header. Since I use the Inkscape website so often, I'm literally clicking that thing off and on 10 or 12 times a day now. So whether it was on or off and when I can't say. But we can do some testing if necessary. :-) All best, brynn -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] bug? website messaging
Hi Maren, As far as the behavior I mentioned before, I haven't had a good test yet. For your last reply, when I first opened the tab, the icon was flashing. But for a message being sent while I already had the tab open, I'll have to wait for another message, unless you'rewell unless you're visiting the western side of the world, you're probably asleep. But the next time we're both online, maybe we can try another test. There was some slightly odd behavior, in a different way, when I read your last reply. I opened the message, but the icon was still flashing (which I think is correct). In the past, when I send a reply, the icon stops flashing. This time, I didn't want to sent a reply, so I clicked the Mark Read button. But the icon didn't stop flashing. I moused back over the icon and clicked on All Messages, and then it stopped. I'll just have to keep an eye on it. Maybe there's a little bit of a delay (few seconds) between marking read and the message getting transferred into the All Messages page? > Only thing I noticed is that it says 'New messages' in the title of the > page for 'All messages'... Yes, I see that too. Probably should be "All Messages (n)", I guess? Should I add it to my list of changes that are needed, so I can do them all at once, so the translators can get them all at once? Speaking of translating For some reason, I had the impression that there was some kind of system that automatically notified translators, whenever any change is made to any page. I thought I had read that somewhere, although I can't find it anymore. Is it possible to have such a system for the website? Because everyone having to notify you whenever any change is made, is going to get old pretty fast. Thanks, brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 6:23 PM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] bug? website messaging > Hi Brynn, > > I just sent you a message, so you can check again. For me, it works... > Might also be a browser caching thing, maybe. > Only thing I noticed is that it says 'New messages' in the title of the > page for 'All messages'... > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 04.06.2015 um 00:35 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Friends, >> Just posting here, since I'm not sure if this should go in a bug >> report or not. If so, lmk and I'll make report. Actually, it might be 2 >> issues. >> I've had a browser tab open to the website for most of today, and >> I'm logged in. >> >> 1 -- Even though there was a new message in mydo we call it exactly >> an >> inbox? Anyway, there was a fresh message there, for over 6 hours, and I >> never saw the icon flashing. And I looked at...at least a couple of >> pages >> in that time.maybe 3 or 4. >> >> However, I'm not certain enough to call it broken, without some specific >> testing (with some new messages). >> >> 2 -- I am more certain about this one. I opened Maren's new About Screen >> Contest draft page, just a few minutes ago, and the message icon was not >> flashing. After reading the email from the mailing list, (about the >> About >> Screen Contest page) I wanted to make a reply about using the messaging >> system for voting, but I wanted to check and make sure about the names of >> the message sender being shown, before I sent the reply. >> >> So I moused over my message icon and it showed All Messages (4), and Also >> it >> showed 1 New Message. At the instant I clicked on 1 New Message, the >> icon >> started flashing. >> >> I'm not sure about the status of my Firefox plugin that blocks the >> referrer >> header. Since I use the Inkscape website so often, I'm literally >> clicking >> that thing off and on 10 or 12 times a day now. So whether it was on or >> off >> and when I can't say. But we can do some testing if necessary. :-) >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> >> -- >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > > -- > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] missing files?
Hi Friends, Someone on InkscapeForum mentioned there is no (compiled) dev version for Windows on https://inkscape.org/en/download/. Is there just no compiled version available? .or maybe there never is? Or is it missing? Just need to know what to tell them, since I'm not very familiar with using dev versions. Thanks, brynn -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] missing files?
Thanks Maren, At least I can give them an answer :-) brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 8:55 AM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] missing files? > Hi Brynn, > > currently, I think there are no compiled dev versions for Windows > available. > They exist for OS X (made by suv, not sure if they are regular) and for > Ubuntu (created automatically), just as the website says. > > I think Partha only compiles the packages for the official pre-... > versions, theAdib (who created the current official binaries) might have > precompiled Windows versions, but I don't think he's uploading them > anywhere. I don't know who else makes Windows binaries. > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 05.06.2015 um 04:26 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Friends, >> Someone on InkscapeForum mentioned there is no (compiled) dev >> version for Windows on https://inkscape.org/en/download/. Is there just >> no >> compiled version available? .or maybe there never is? Or is it >> missing? >> Just need to know what to tell them, since I'm not very familiar >> with using dev versions. >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> >> >> >> -- >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > > > -- > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] "default" download MSI?
Hi Friends, I'm trying to help someone who is having trouble installing Inkscape. I still don't know exactly what they downloaded. But I notice that the big Inkscape Download icon on this page https://inkscape.org/en/download/windows/, actually downloads the MSI version or installer (I'm not sure what the right word is). I both avoid using the MSI file myself, and suggest others not to use it as well, simply because I don't know what it is or does, or how to use it. I would suggest it might be better to have the EXE attached to that icon, as the "default" download (because even brand new Windows users know how to use it). Or otherwise, give some kind of explanation for us "non-techy" types, how to use the MSI download. Maybe it was chosen because the 64-bit version doesn't have an EXE installer? And then they could both be the same? -- I'm not sure the rationalization. But I would also like to suggest that the 64-bit download attached to that big (gorgeous) icon should be the 7z version. (Or otherwise, tell us how to use the MSI.) I'm not sure if this is the intent, but by having the MSI attached to the big icons, *sort of* implies that is preferred by developers. If it is preferred for some reason, I would be curious why. Thanks for listening :-) brynn -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] "default" download MSI?
Thanks for that info Maren. I'm in no position to argue what's correct. All I know is that from my experience, Windows users typically look for either EXE or ZIP files for installing programs. I've actually never seen a program that offers an MSI file for installing on Windows. (although I'm not exactly a "power user") If Inkscape is to be one of the first programs to follow this new standard, it seems reasonable that we might want to give either instructions or at least hints, for how to use it. Just a thought :-) I'll try to learn more about it. And I'll report if this person was trying to install the MSI, and what happened. All best, brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 5:25 PM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] "default" download MSI? > Hi Brynn, > > it was requested by theAdib to make the default download the MSI. > The reason he gave was that MSI is supposed to be the preferred > installation medium for current windows installations. > (so from the Windows side, not from Inkscape side) > I do not know if this is correct (I'm not a Windows user), but that's > why it is linked the way it is, on explicit request of the creator of > the download. > I also have no clue about how to use it, I guess a double-click should > work. > > Wikipedia has an article on the file format: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Installer > > This also gives the reason in a more explicit way (with explanations in > parentheses): > "Microsoft encourages third parties (i.e. for example, Inkscape) to use > Windows Installer as the basis for installation frameworks (the Inkscape > installer), so that they synchronize correctly with other installers and > keep the internal database of installed products consistent (so Windows > can keep track of what's installed). Important features such as > /rollback/ and /versioning/ depend on a consistent internal database for > reliable operation (well, they don't work for Inkscape, AFAIK). > Furthermore, Windows Installer facilitates the principle of least > privilege <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_privilege> by > performing software installations by proxy for unprivileged users (I > think this means you don't need amin rights to install this)." > > Some web pages seem to say that it's less easy to install via MSI, if > the application is installed system-wide (and not just for the current > user). > Instructions can be found here, for example: > http://dottech.org/144073/how-to-install-or-run-msi-files-as-admin-in-windows-8-and-8-1-guide/ > http://www.howtogeek.com/178826/how-to-force-an-msi-package-to-install-using-administrator-mode/?PageSpeed=noscript > > I do not know, nor can I try, if something requires Inkscape to be > installed system wide, and if that workaround to add 'install as admin' > to the right-click dialog is needed. > > Hope this helps, > regards, > Maren > > Am 11.06.2015 um 00:10 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Friends, >> I'm trying to help someone who is having trouble installing >> Inkscape. I still don't know exactly what they downloaded. But I notice >> that the big Inkscape Download icon on this page >> https://inkscape.org/en/download/windows/, actually downloads the MSI >> version or installer (I'm not sure what the right word is). >> I both avoid using the MSI file myself, and suggest others not to >> use it as well, simply because I don't know what it is or does, or how to >> use it. I would suggest it might be better to have the EXE attached to >> that >> icon, as the "default" download (because even brand new Windows users >> know >> how to use it). Or otherwise, give some kind of explanation for us >> "non-techy" types, how to use the MSI download. >> Maybe it was chosen because the 64-bit version doesn't have an >> EXE >> installer? And then they could both be the same? -- I'm not sure the >> rationalization. But I would also like to suggest that the 64-bit >> download >> attached to that big (gorgeous) icon should be the 7z version. (Or >> otherwise, tell us how to use the MSI.) >> I'm not sure if this is the intent, but by having the MSI >> attached >> to the big icons, *sort of* implies that is preferred by developers. If >> it >> is preferred for some reason, I would be curious why. >> >> Thanks for listening :-) >> brynn >> >> >> >>
[Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki?
Hi Friends, This might be just me, but I find myself needing to browse from the website to the wiki fairly often. Of course I have a Favorite/Bookmark for it. But I wonder if a link to the wiki should be easier to find on the website? Usually I open the Learn page, and use the link near the bottom of the page. Anyway, just a thought I wanted to share. And I wonder what others might think about it. Maybe that Learn page link is enough? All best, brynn -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki?
Hi Maren, Yes, I understand that the intent for the wiki is more for developers. I didn't mean there should be a more prominent link for users to get to the wiki. I meant for developers, but others could use it too. I don't know. Maybe developers just don't need to go from website to wiki. Maybe it's just me. But fwiw, what I'm looking for most often is the Release Notes, Roadmap, and I often search the wiki while trying to answer support questions from forums. And for the latter, this is especially more for the new-in-0.91-features, because the manual hasn't been updated, and a lot of the new features are explained in the wiki. Once the manual is updated, I won't be in the wiki as much. (There IS a lot of user-focused stuff in the wiki! I started to work on some of it, thinking maybe it could be updated and moved to the website, like I did with the faq. But almost all of it is over my head. I did make a list of the ones that are referenced in the faq, hoping to at least get that much transferred over. But afaik, no one has updated them or moved to the website.) Thanks, brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:26 PM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki? > Am 17.06.2015 um 07:31 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Friends, >> This might be just me, but I find myself needing to browse from >> the >> website to the wiki fairly often. Of course I have a Favorite/Bookmark >> for >> it. But I wonder if a link to the wiki should be easier to find on the >> website? > > Hi Brynn, > > depends a bit on what the Wiki is intended for. > Is it for learning? > > I understood it more to be a site where the devs exchange their ideas. > Most of the info there is outdated, and not regularly refreshed, or only > important to developers - beside the Release notes, which live there, > because we didn't carry them over to the website after they were > finished (and which the devs may find easier to edit in the Wiki than on > the web site - at least it allows to insert SVG as images...). > > What are your use cases? > Which of the info in the Wiki should be accessible more easily? > > Regards, > Maren > >> Usually I open the Learn page, and use the link near the bottom >> of >> the page. Anyway, just a thought I wanted to share. And I wonder what >> others might think about it. Maybe that Learn page link is enough? >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> >> -- >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > > -- > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki?
Hi Maren, Out of curiosity, when you type "wik" in you browser, how does it know to find the Inkscape wiki, and not Wikipedia, or Wikimedia, or some other program's wiki, etc? If users are looking to the Roadmap as "set in stone" then they simply need to be informed properly. For as long as I've been using Inkscape (8 years), the wiki has been a resource for both users and developers. Most of them have no idea that it's being groomed as 'developer only'. Ask Martin how many times I asked him to confirm that, Yes, the wiki will only be for developers. At least 4 or 5, as I recall. **It's a radical change, and afaik, I'm the only user who knows that.** Not only do I have a list of wiki articles that are user-related, that are linked from the FAQ (attached), I actually started to make a list of ALL wiki articles that are for users. But I started getting tripped up when I came to things I didn't understand, and wasn't sure if they were for users or not. I would be glad to start working on that again, if I could get some guidance from you, on pages where I have questions. All I could do is make a list, but that might be a starting place for someone else? (Note that when I first started working on the FAQ, I don't think you were involved yet. After I announced some of my work on the dev mailing list, it was Bryce who said that if I found info in the wiki which really should be in the documentation, to make note of it. It's possible that it's not appropriate for some of this to be documented, but that was my best understanding at the time.) I guess the FAQ would be my best idea as the best place for the Roadmap to be linked, if it should not be on the website. But it would go a long way towards preventing users from thinking it's "a done deal" by putting a simple sentence at the top of the page, to that effect. That could also be said in the faq. I was just about to add those couple of links I've been putting off adding. So shall I make the new faq item for the roadmap, while I'm at it? - You're quite hardy :) I've internally categorized most of the Wiki pages as 'outdated' or 'describing a plan, but not necessarily the real implementation'... Inkscape forums can be quite competitive, as to who gets the right answer. Although it's never really verbalized, many are aware! Where can I look to find out whether a page is outdated or describing a plan? Could you keep track of the kind of info you are looking up, so we can maybe find a way to include the main components on the website? I don't remember everything I've looked up, but once was info about the new Symbols dialog. And if the new manual comes out pretty soon, I won't have to go to the wiki anymore. This is a whole other subject, but I wish we had like a team to write the manual, so it wouldn't all be on 1 person's shoulders! I mean, Inkscape really should have it's own "official manual", rather than an "official" manual. And imo, the official manual should be on the website. But again, that's another subject. Thanks, brynn ------ From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 12:46 PM To: "Brynn" ; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki? Hi Brynn, Am 19.06.2015 um 05:19 schrieb Brynn: Hi Maren, Yes, I understand that the intent for the wiki is more for developers. I didn't mean there should be a more prominent link for users to get to the wiki. I meant for developers, but others could use it too. - Mmh. For devs, the link isn't too hidden, I think: https://inkscape.org/en/develop/ , fourth paragraph (but also new devs should not rely on the info in the Wiki being up to date). I usually just type 'wik' into my browser's address line, and then autocompletion kicks in... I don't know. Maybe developers just don't need to go from website to wiki. Maybe it's just me. But fwiw, what I'm looking for most often is the Release Notes, - I think that for the next version we could try and get the Release Notes on the website when they are finalized. They are an important part of the documentation. This will also make it easier for our translators' team (who have access to website editing, but most don't have wiki privileges) to translate them (translating Release Notes is a difficult task by itself...). Roadmap, - The Roadmap is being changed by devs all the time - and users should not rely on it too much - but unfortunately, they often take it by the letter, and are then disappointed... It's good info, but I'm a bit hesitant to put it on the website. Is there a
Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki?
Hi Maren (and whoever else might be interested), For the new faq item pointing to the roadmap, I'm thinking in the first section Did you already do this? Or was it already done, and I didn't realize it? That's why it's showing unpublished? (banging head smiley again!) Ok if I add the caution about the flexibility of the roadmap? Re the list of wiki articles that I thought needed to be added to documentation, that are currently linked from the faq. Ok, so attached is a new document I started, with these faq items at the top, and we can add below as we work through the wiki. Briefly, it sounds like we agree that #1 and #2 would be good to be documented. #3 and #4 are no longer applicable (the faq items which linked to them aren't there anymore -- I think there was some last minute editing, or otherwise sometime since I wrote that list, that those items were either dropped or changed, and the info isn't needed). However, I think it would be awesome to have instructions for compiling, for all 3 supported systems! #5 is the Illustrator info. When I first started with Inkscape, there was some demand for this info. I used to see messages in forums from Illustrator users wishing to switch over -- at least enough messages to warrant the article or chapter in the manual. I haven't seen a message like that for probably.2 or 3 years. I'm not sure why. It seems to me that the info should still be relevant (current info, I mean, current to both programs). But let's not get too hung up on how to accomplish this stuff. Let's just make the list for Step 1. And maybe by the time we're done, we'll be getting some ideas about Step 2. How does that sound? Shortly after I send this, I'll add the list of 10 or 15 pages from the list I told you I had started (separate from the 1 for the faq), and we can discuss whenever we have time. Does that sound ok? All best, brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 8:52 AM To: "Brynn" ; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki? Hi Brynn, Am 20.06.2015 um 06:00 schrieb Brynn: Hi Maren, Out of curiosity, when you type "wik" in you browser, how does it know to find the Inkscape wiki, and not Wikipedia, or Wikimedia, or some other program's wiki, etc? - The browser proposes the pages I have visited most often first ;) The other pages range below in the list it shows me. If users are looking to the Roadmap as "set in stone" then they simply need to be informed properly. For as long as I've been using Inkscape (8 years), the wiki has been a resource for both users and developers. Most of them have no idea that it's being groomed as 'developer only'. Ask Martin how many times I asked him to confirm that, Yes, the wiki will only be for developers. At least 4 or 5, as I recall. **It's a radical change, and afaik, I'm the only user who knows that.** - I'm a user, too ;) New people who want to download, or learn about Inkscape - at least in my google results - are guided to inkscape.org, not to wiki.inkscape.org. For the first few weeks that I was here, I didn't even know the Wiki existed (until I translated the pages that link to it). It seems this was different in a time when I haven't been part of the project, didn't know that. Not only do I have a list of wiki articles that are user-related, that are linked from the FAQ (attached), I actually started to make a list of ALL wiki articles that are for users. But I started getting tripped up when I came to things I didn't understand, and wasn't sure if they were for users or not. I would be glad to start working on that again, if I could get some guidance from you, on pages where I have questions. All I could do is make a list, but that might be a starting place for someone else? - Sounds like we have a volunteer ;) - seriously, I believe it's a good idea to make a list of which info should be accessible more easily to users. I can't promise we can take *everything* to the website (esp. those things that will be in the manual might not be needed there), but we should find out what could be missing, and give it proper thought. (Note that when I first started working on the FAQ, I don't think you were involved yet. After I announced some of my work on the dev mailing list, it was Bryce who said that if I found info in the wiki which really should be in the documentation, to make note of it. It's possible that it's not appropriate for some of this to be documented, but that was my best understanding at the time.) I guess the FAQ would be my best idea as the best place for the Roadmap to be linked, if it should n
Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki?
Hi Maren, > Is compiling a user topic? Or is this developer realm? For me, it's a > bit in a grey zone in between, but more on the dev side. Testers would > need that. Or people who want to offer Inkscape for download. Perhaps you would be surprised how many Inkscape users like to use the development build? Witness this old topic from IF (circa 2008): http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1289 I don't think snapshots are still available, although I could be wrong. And this quite new topic (couple of weeks ago): http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18869 There have been many times I would like to use a development version for short term projects, although not for my regular use, except I don't know how to compile. (I found the development version of Ponyscape in a zip file, and I do play with that now and then. But I don't otherwise keep up with Ponyscape development.) For those Inkscape users who already know how to compile, they do use dev versions. As far as I can tell, when someone knows how to compile, they prefer the development version. I could name you 5 users right now, using a dev version, (or who would, if available for Windows) and given some time could list 10 or more. > You could add that to the to-do list, to a new 'Website' section, as > 'needs update' > Just like these: > https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/testing/, > https://inkscape.org/en/develop/debugging/ (that last one might just > need a quick glance by someone who knows how it works, could still be > current) You lost me there. To-do list, new "Website" section, "needs update"?? If I understand what you're saying, I might be about to post a new message on a subject related to "to-do" list. All best, brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 12:03 PM To: "Brynn" ; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki? > Hi Brynn, > > Am 20.06.2015 um 20:50 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Maren (and whoever else might be interested), >>For the new faq item pointing to the roadmap, I'm thinking in the >> first section >>Did you already do this? Or was it already done, and I didn't >> realize it? That's why it's showing unpublished? (banging head smiley >> again!) Ok if I add the caution about the flexibility of the roadmap? > > - Right, it's already in the FAQ: > https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#Will_there_be_an_Inkscape_1.00?_What_would_it_be_like? > > Yes, please add the note about possible changes / not taking that by the > letter there. > >>Re the list of wiki articles that I thought needed to be added to >> documentation, that are currently linked from the faq. Ok, so attached >> is a new document I started, with these faq items at the top, and we can >> add below as we work through the wiki. > > - Nice :) > >>Briefly, it sounds like we agree that #1 and #2 would be good to >> be documented. #3 and #4 are no longer applicable (the faq items which >> linked to them aren't there anymore -- I think there was some last >> minute editing, or otherwise sometime since I wrote that list, that >> those items were either dropped or changed, and the info isn't needed). > >> However, I think it would be awesome to have instructions for compiling, >> for all 3 supported systems! > > - Yes :) But those instructions (esp. the necessary libraries you need > to install before you compile) change rapidly (relative to Inkscape-time > units :)). > I don't know if it is possible to make them so generic as to keep them > current for as long as possible. > > Is compiling a user topic? Or is this developer realm? For me, it's a > bit in a grey zone in between, but more on the dev side. Testers would > need that. Or people who want to offer Inkscape for download. > > For the normal users, pre-release versions are available for download > for previewing when a new release is nearing, and daily builds for > Ubuntu are available all the time, too. I think ~suv is creating OS X > builds regularly. > > Compiling on Linux/Debian-based systems is quite generic and easy, and > there's a (mostly, don't know about dependencies) current version on the > Wiki: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/CompilingUbuntu > > For Windows, the last update by TheAdib is from last summer: > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Creating_Inkscape_distributions#Creating_a_Windows_Distro > > For OS X, there's a clearly outdated guide: > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/CompilingMacOsX > > Oh,
[Inkscape-docs] public to-do or volunteers needed section on website
Hi Friends, This may be something for LP, but I thought I would post here first, just to be sure. Someone mentioned recently putting up a page on the website (maybe Maren), listing all the work we need (or hope) to be done, not just on the website but for the project as a whole, and asking for volunteers. Kind of "help needed" board, or "volunteers wanted" or "jobs postings" I suppose it would be a page under Contribute. It would list the jobs or tasks available, and also indicate the skills or experience that would be needed for it. Also who to contact, how to contact, etc. I suspect we have people in the community who might like to help, but who don't realize what is needed. Some examples: -- a webmaster or someone who knows about content management (or there might be a better way to say that, but just for example) -- other needs for website (Maren and Martin know more) -- a tutorial or guide to writing extensions -- a tutorial or guide to compiling on our 3 supported systems -- I'm sure some of you have other ideas, as well? -- maybe can't hurt to mention the need for translators here too (in addition to the other page) -- work needed related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1428463 -- etc. Should I make a feature request? Or just make page? All best, brynn -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical & virtual servers, alerts via email & sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki?
2nd reply to: > Is compiling a user topic? And another new message today: http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=17957&p=72270#p72267 (mining up a slightly older topic, but still a current request) :-D brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 12:03 PM To: "Brynn" ; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki? > Hi Brynn, > > Am 20.06.2015 um 20:50 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Maren (and whoever else might be interested), >>For the new faq item pointing to the roadmap, I'm thinking in the >> first section >>Did you already do this? Or was it already done, and I didn't >> realize it? That's why it's showing unpublished? (banging head smiley >> again!) Ok if I add the caution about the flexibility of the roadmap? > > - Right, it's already in the FAQ: > https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#Will_there_be_an_Inkscape_1.00?_What_would_it_be_like? > > Yes, please add the note about possible changes / not taking that by the > letter there. > >>Re the list of wiki articles that I thought needed to be added to >> documentation, that are currently linked from the faq. Ok, so attached >> is a new document I started, with these faq items at the top, and we can >> add below as we work through the wiki. > > - Nice :) > >>Briefly, it sounds like we agree that #1 and #2 would be good to >> be documented. #3 and #4 are no longer applicable (the faq items which >> linked to them aren't there anymore -- I think there was some last >> minute editing, or otherwise sometime since I wrote that list, that >> those items were either dropped or changed, and the info isn't needed). > >> However, I think it would be awesome to have instructions for compiling, >> for all 3 supported systems! > > - Yes :) But those instructions (esp. the necessary libraries you need > to install before you compile) change rapidly (relative to Inkscape-time > units :)). > I don't know if it is possible to make them so generic as to keep them > current for as long as possible. > > Is compiling a user topic? Or is this developer realm? For me, it's a > bit in a grey zone in between, but more on the dev side. Testers would > need that. Or people who want to offer Inkscape for download. > > For the normal users, pre-release versions are available for download > for previewing when a new release is nearing, and daily builds for > Ubuntu are available all the time, too. I think ~suv is creating OS X > builds regularly. > > Compiling on Linux/Debian-based systems is quite generic and easy, and > there's a (mostly, don't know about dependencies) current version on the > Wiki: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/CompilingUbuntu > > For Windows, the last update by TheAdib is from last summer: > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Creating_Inkscape_distributions#Creating_a_Windows_Distro > > For OS X, there's a clearly outdated guide: > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/CompilingMacOsX > > Oh, oops - I just found that the info *is* already on the website: > https://inkscape.org/en/develop/getting-started/ > (could probably profit from an update, though) > > You could add that to the to-do list, to a new 'Website' section, as > 'needs update' > Just like these: > https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/testing/, > https://inkscape.org/en/develop/debugging/ (that last one might just > need a quick glance by someone who knows how it works, could still be > current) > > Yesterday, our translators already complained about outdated/unfinished > pages... I couldn't help much with that, unfortunately, besides asking > them to concentrate on the other pages... Argh... > > The devs I had asked - various over time - all forgot about reviewing > the page / had other priorities in the end, and I don't want to ask > repeatedly... It's not my job to annoy people... > > >>#5 is the Illustrator info. When I first started with Inkscape, >> there was some demand for this info. I used to see messages in forums >> from Illustrator users wishing to switch over -- at least enough >> messages to warrant the article or chapter in the manual. I haven't >> seen a message like that for probably.2 or 3 years. I'm not sure >> why. It seems to me that the info should still be relevant (current >> info, I mean, current to both programs). >>But let's not get too hung up on how to accomplish this stuff. >
[Inkscape-docs] translate
Hi Maren, Just to let you know I made that change in the FAQ re the Roadmap. I also made a couple of edits to #A.10. (animation). (Corrected some not quite correct info, removed the reference to the animation extension in the wiki (which really is outdated and hasn't been active for a while) and replaced with link to Snap.svg.) All best, brynn -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical & virtual servers, alerts via email & sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] work to remove user info from wiki
Hi Maren, Thought I should start a new thread for this. As it turns out, all I had done was make a list of the links in the User Documentation section on the Main Page (and what I thought should happen to them). After that, I was going to start working through the User Documentation category. Before we launch into deciding what to do with each page, I wanted to be clear about a couple of things. When you cautioned against deleting pages, even when we know they are no longer needed, why is that? And 2nd - I noticed on some of these pages there is a note in a red box at the top of some of the pages (saying the info is outdated), that wasn't there when I first started. I guess that was you? So if you've already done a lot of this work, then we won't need to do a whole lot of discussion. Just make the list of things that need to be done. Right? All best, brynn -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical & virtual servers, alerts via email & sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] User Manual history
Hi Everyone, (sorry, this is a little long) I agree with all Maren's points. Having a manual written by a team, with a free license, which allows it to be edited in the future, is a good idea. I certainly would volunteer to help with that. Tav's manual is awesome, but as someone who answers a pretty large share of questions in forums (and occasionally LP Answers and the User list), it seems that many people have looked at it, and found it not helpful. Over and over and over again, questions are posted in forums, which are easily answered in the manual, except that the user somehow has not understood it. I guess some of them are lazy, and didn't look at it, but I can't believe that they all are. I think Inkscape could find a whole new group of users, with a manual that has more of a step by step approach. I made an effort (a while ago) at starting a manual, based on a step by step approach. I had seen some requests from a couple of different people for tutorials or a manual that people with with ADD or ADHD can understand. (Attention Deficit Disorder or Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, as far as I understand them, are both childhood learning disabilities, and often outgrown, but it seems that more and more, people make it to adulthood, without outgrowing it, and need help with reading.) The step by step approach is very helpful for this group, apparently. Even though that group (of adults who never outgrew their learning disorder) is probably very small, I still think a step by step approach in a manual would introduce a lot more people to Inkscape. Plus, having a free license, and a team to write/edit it, the load doesn't fall all on 1 person. And the manual can evolve and change, as needed with new versions, without delays. Too bad I can't read French. I would love to see that manual! I also agree about the need for tutorials, but I don't think tutorials can take the place of a step by step manual. Well, not unless the tutorials all follow a similar format and use the same terminology (as if written by the same person or group). This community has produced.hundreds, and probably thousands of tutorials, over the last 5 years. Only a fraction of those are what I consider "good". I've seen Inkscape tutorials calling nodes "points", for example. So unless there is some "quality control" over all these many tutorials, they can't take the place of a manual, in my opinion. All best, brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:29 AM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] User Manual history > Am 23.06.2015 um 03:46 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine: >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:07 AM, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> >>> A more theoretical question: >>> Would Elisa or someone else from FLOSSmanuals some day want to brave a >>> second effort of organizing people for Inkscape Docs? To make a manual >>> which aims for completeness, *and* user-friendly-ness? >> >> Having participatied in the making of the first one, I still have to >> ask: why would it be superior to Tav's one? >> > > For licencing, reuse and collaborative editing reasons - sharing the > work to make keeping things up-to-date easier, maybe even asking > developers to document their new features, or changes to features, > themselves, being the ones who know most about them. > > And then allowing others to edit that info, to make it accessible to the > average user, in case the language is too technical / not written by a > native speaker. > > Also for allowing offline usage or even shipping with Inkscape. > I might be a little old-fashioned in that respect, though, in that I > like to be able to use a manual offline, too... > > But as I said - it's a more theoretical question, I don't expect it to > happen. Maybe it's possible to instead support Tav somehow, then? > >> The way I see it, not having yet another complete user manual is a >> non-issue. What the community does need is tons, tons of high-quality >> step-by-step tutorials how to design good-looking works of art. But >> for that to happen you need to find people who are actual artists and >> get them to write that stuff. Not an eas thing to do. > > - Yep, I agree, tutorials are a great resource - I love your site and > visit it frequently :) Thank you very much for all the work you invest > into this! > > Kind Regards, > Maren > >> Alex >> >> -- >> Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! >> OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors >> netw
[Inkscape-docs] admin>pages on website
Hi Maren and/or Martin, I'm copying this to the list, since I've seen this happen for a long time, but it's always correctable. But tonight it's not always correctable, and starting to annoy me. When I go to admin > pages (not the shortcut from the django bar, but to Administration from the dropdown when I mouse over my username on the website, and then choosing Pages), when I first browse to the Pages page, I start to see the page as expected, with about half the Language columns and green dots, but before the page finishes loading, the page flashes once, they all disappear, and all I see is the...I think it's called "tree" on the left side of the page (where you can click a plus or minus sign to open or close a category or main menu item). Usually when that happens, I can just refresh the page, and all the languages and green dots show up. But tonight, I've had to refresh 5 or 6 times. Each time, as the page starts to load, I can see about half the columns, those on the right half of the page, then it goes away, and comes back blank - well only with the tree on the left. After the 6th refresh, it loaded all the columns. After a lot of testing, it sometimes takes 3 or 4 refreshes, and sometimes 5 or 6. Could this somehow be related to my service, on my end? I have not seen any issues like this on any other website. Or maybe Fastly? Or somehow, Django? Until now, as long as I could refresh once and fix, I'm ok. But more than 1 refresh to see the page seemswell, not right. I think, whatever this is, could be related to the problem I had with the green/red icons, earlier this afternoon. Once I refreshed the page, and it came back blank, then refreshed again, when the columns came back, that's when the icon stayed red. Maybe it's not always loading completely? Anyway, all I can do is report. I really have no clue what could be happening. thanks, brynn -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical & virtual servers, alerts via email & sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] admin>pages on website
Thanks, I'll try it! brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:44 AM To: "Brynn" ; "Martin Owens" Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: admin>pages on website > Hi Brynn, > > Martin told me a trick how to control that annoying problem (which I > believe has nothing to do with fastly caching, but maybe with different > loading speeds of parts of that page): > Just resize the window - that will do the trick :) > > I've asked over at django-cms if this is a known problem: > https://github.com/divio/django-cms/issues/3940 (the bug report already > existed, but it could be referring to a different problem) > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 24.06.2015 um 07:15 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Maren and/or Martin, >>I'm copying this to the list, since I've seen this happen for a >> long time, but it's always correctable. But tonight it's not always >> correctable, and starting to annoy me. When I go to admin > pages (not >> the shortcut from the django bar, but to Administration from the >> dropdown when I mouse over my username on the website, and then choosing >> Pages), when I first browse to the Pages page, I start to see the page >> as expected, with about half the Language columns and green dots, but >> before the page finishes loading, the page flashes once, they all >> disappear, and all I see is the...I think it's called "tree" on the left >> side of the page (where you can click a plus or minus sign to open or >> close a category or main menu item). >>Usually when that happens, I can just refresh the page, and all >> the languages and green dots show up. But tonight, I've had to refresh >> 5 or 6 times. Each time, as the page starts to load, I can see about >> half the columns, those on the right half of the page, then it goes >> away, and comes back blank - well only with the tree on the left. After >> the 6th refresh, it loaded all the columns. After a lot of testing, it >> sometimes takes 3 or 4 refreshes, and sometimes 5 or 6. >>Could this somehow be related to my service, on my end? I have >> not seen any issues like this on any other website. Or maybe Fastly? >> Or somehow, Django? >>Until now, as long as I could refresh once and fix, I'm ok. But >> more than 1 refresh to see the page seemswell, not right. >>I think, whatever this is, could be related to the problem I had >> with the green/red icons, earlier this afternoon. Once I refreshed the >> page, and it came back blank, then refreshed again, when the columns >> came back, that's when the icon stayed red. Maybe it's not always >> loading completely? >>Anyway, all I can do is report. I really have no clue what could >> be happening. >> >> thanks, >> brynn >> >> >> > -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical & virtual servers, alerts via email & sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] User Manual vs. Help
Well, the current manual has both TOC and Index. While I sometimes get lost/confused with its TOC, the Index is fabulous and has never failed me! I think it would be great to have Help files that go with Inkscape (offline). That would allow people to learn Inkscape on their own, in perhaps a more traditional way (for software). It seems to me that might serve users with more technical, engineering, math or "industrial" type backgrounds (who use the more technical kind of Inkscape features). But for the artistic side of Inkscape, for people who use Inkscape for art/creative projects I'm not sure if that would be helpful. It seems to me this is where the step by step/tutorial/manual approach is more helpful. And not that I see a big wide dividing line between these. They're 2 extremes of a continuum, with everyone falling in their own unique place along it. But now thinking about that makes me curious. Wouldn't it be interesting to do even just a simple study or survey, to find out how Inkscape is being used?! After all, Inkscape has something for almost everyone. And such information could be helpful to this project in more ways than just deciding which type of documentation provide. Anyway, just my "2 cents". All best, brynn _ From: Roger Sharp Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 10:36 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-docs] User Manual vs. Help I think a regular Web Help file that is searchable and has an Index and TOC (via a Help Authoring Tool, aka, HAT) would be more useful than the book-like Help available now. I don’t have a HAT available but I bet the web pages that make up the Inkscape Manual could be easily imported (if they are available legally). Tutorials would be great but short of that a searchable Help file would be great. sharpart -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] wording on Next Release page
Hi Friends, I was just browsing around the website, and happened to notice some wording on the Next Release page that seems odd to me, and that I don't understand. "It will also introduce some breaking change in how Inkscape handles the resolution of images (don't worry, we will also supply tools to ease the transition!)." I don't know what "breaking change" means, and I worry that it might be giving a negative impression of "breaking" as in "making it non-functional". I guess it's supposed to mean something like "unprecedented" or maybe "dramatic or extreme change". Or maybe it has a technical meaning that I've just never heard of? I tried to get some clues from both the Roadmap for 0.92 and Release Notes for 0.92, but neither makes any mention of dpi. Does anyone know what that means? Should we find a better way to phrase it? Should some of the things mentioned in the Roadmap or Release Notes be mentioned too? Thanks, brynn -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] wording on Next Release page
Thanks Martin, Oh, so it's more of a technical term then. I would guess that a lot of Inkscape users don't know what that means. If there is any importance for this page to be understandable by users, then I would suggest either leaving out the word "breaking", or maybe a slightly different phrase, such as "introduce some breaking change" to "introduce a change". However, I wonder if maybe the general impression is that this page is more interesting to developers, who know what that term means. If that's the case, then maybe no change in wording is needed. Just a thought :-) All best, brynn -- From: "Martin Owens" Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 4:37 AM To: "Brynn" Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] wording on Next Release page > Hi Bynn, > > Breaking in this case means a break in the continuity of what the > software will do when rendering sizes. Before it would do X, now it will > do Y. > > Sometimes these breaks are required so the software can continue to > develop along the standard way. For example svg viebox and default dpi > in svg2. > > There's no loss in functionality, but there may be some images that > print bigger (or is it smaller) than they used to if they're not > converted. > > Martin, > > On Sun, 2015-07-05 at 01:25 -0600, Brynn wrote: >> Hi Friends, >> I was just browsing around the website, and happened to notice >> some >> wording on the Next Release page that seems odd to me, and that I don't >> understand. >> >> "It will also introduce some breaking change in how Inkscape handles the >> resolution of images (don't worry, we will also supply tools to ease the >> transition!)." >> >> I don't know what "breaking change" means, and I worry that it might be >> giving a negative impression of "breaking" as in "making it >> non-functional". >> I guess it's supposed to mean something like "unprecedented" or maybe >> "dramatic or extreme change". Or maybe it has a technical meaning that >> I've >> just never heard of? I tried to get some clues from both the Roadmap for >> 0.92 and Release Notes for 0.92, but neither makes any mention of dpi. >> Does anyone know what that means? Should we find a better way to >> phrase it? Should some of the things mentioned in the Roadmap or Release >> Notes be mentioned too? >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> >> >> >> -- >> Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. >> GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that >> you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. >> Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. >> https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page
Hi Friends, I was waiting to publish the new To-Do List page, because it sounded like Maren and I were going to add more items to it, related to removing user-facing pages from the wiki. But that seems to be on hold, for some reason. So I wonder if it should be published, so that other people can already start using it, to get their own projects listed? Thanks, brynn -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page
-- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 5:34 PM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page > Hi Brynn, > > I've just updated your list a little. > > - added a link to the corresponding bug reports for those > pages-to-create. Maybe answering to a bug report on lp has a lower entry > threshold than posting to this list. I only remembered we had bug > reports for this when I looked through them recently. > > - as per Martin's request, I separated out the pages to represent a > single task each. > > - then there was the discussion about finding translators French-English > for the manual written by Elisa and Nico. I added that, too, while it's > currently not officially part of the Inkscape project, I'd think we > should do what we can to support their effort. > > - Also added a link to the contribute page in the intro text, so people > who do not find a task that fits for them in the list can access more > options easily. > > - the empty rows are now gone (we can insert a new one easily when we > need it), and there's an alternating background color, so finding each > line is easier > > Are there any more pages from the Wiki that deserve to be updated and > transferred to inkscape.org? > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 07.07.2015 um 23:04 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Friends, >> I was waiting to publish the new To-Do List page, because it >> sounded >> like Maren and I were going to add more items to it, related to removing >> user-facing pages from the wiki. But that seems to be on hold, for some >> reason. >> So I wonder if it should be published, so that other people can >> already start using it, to get their own projects listed? >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> >> >> >> -- >> Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. >> GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that >> you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. >> Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. >> https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > > -- > Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. > GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that > you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. > Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. > https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page
Sorry, I somehow sent an empty message. The mouse got away from me, I guess. I don't really have anything to add. I just thought the page can't be useful if it's just sitting there not published. So whatever needs to be done to get it out there. Thanks, brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 9:39 AM To: "Brynn" ; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page > Brynn, your answer seems to have been lost ;) - or maybe this was an > accident? > > Am 08.07.2015 um 05:13 schrieb Brynn: >> >> >> -- >> From: "Maren Hachmann" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 5:34 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page >> >>> Hi Brynn, >>> >>> I've just updated your list a little. >>> >>> - added a link to the corresponding bug reports for those >>> pages-to-create. Maybe answering to a bug report on lp has a lower entry >>> threshold than posting to this list. I only remembered we had bug >>> reports for this when I looked through them recently. >>> >>> - as per Martin's request, I separated out the pages to represent a >>> single task each. >>> >>> - then there was the discussion about finding translators French-English >>> for the manual written by Elisa and Nico. I added that, too, while it's >>> currently not officially part of the Inkscape project, I'd think we >>> should do what we can to support their effort. >>> >>> - Also added a link to the contribute page in the intro text, so people >>> who do not find a task that fits for them in the list can access more >>> options easily. >>> >>> - the empty rows are now gone (we can insert a new one easily when we >>> need it), and there's an alternating background color, so finding each >>> line is easier >>> >>> Are there any more pages from the Wiki that deserve to be updated and >>> transferred to inkscape.org? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Maren >>> >>> Am 07.07.2015 um 23:04 schrieb Brynn: >>>> Hi Friends, >>>> I was waiting to publish the new To-Do List page, because it >>>> sounded >>>> like Maren and I were going to add more items to it, related to >>>> removing >>>> user-facing pages from the wiki. But that seems to be on hold, for >>>> some >>>> reason. >>>> So I wonder if it should be published, so that other people can >>>> already start using it, to get their own projects listed? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> brynn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. >>>> GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that >>>> you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. >>>> Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. >>>> https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ >>>> ___ >>>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. >>> GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that >>> you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. >>> Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. >>> https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ >>> ___ >>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> >> > -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] "Follow us on...." appears twice on some pages
Hi Friends, I first noticed this the other day and got sidetracked before I could mention it. It looks like, on all pages appears "Follow us on: Twitter icon Google icon", just above the search box. But recently there was something added to certain pages, "Follow us on: 4 icons" (Twitter, DeviantArt, Google+, Facebook). So far, I've seen the 4-icon version on the front page, near the bottom of the page, and the Community page, near the top. There may be other pages that I just haven't noticed yet. Oh, actually on the Community page it's "Join us onicons" Is there some reason why we don't put the 4-icon version on every page (in place of the 2-icon version)? Just wondering :-) All best, brynn -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] "Follow us on...." appears twice on some pages
Awesome :-) Thanks! -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 6:55 PM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] "Follow us on" appears twice on some pages > Am 10.07.2015 um 01:41 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Friends, >> I first noticed this the other day and got sidetracked before I >> could mention it. It looks like, on all pages appears "Follow us on: >> Twitter icon Google icon", just above the search box. But recently there >> was something added to certain pages, "Follow us on: 4 icons" (Twitter, >> DeviantArt, Google+, Facebook). So far, I've seen the 4-icon version on >> the >> front page, near the bottom of the page, and the Community page, near the >> top. There may be other pages that I just haven't noticed yet. >> Oh, actually on the Community page it's "Join us onicons" >> Is there some reason why we don't put the 4-icon version on every >> page (in place of the 2-icon version)? Just wondering :-) > > Yes. The icons at the top will go away in the next version of the > website. This is in preparation for it. > > Regards, > Maren > >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> >> -- >> Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. >> GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that >> you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. >> Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. >> https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > > -- > Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. > GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that > you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. > Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. > https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page
Hi Maren, I just thought of a wiki page that might need to be moved to the website. I often consult this page: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/ExtensionsRepository as often as twice weekly, sometimes. Almost always I'm trying to help someone who posted in a forum, but occasionally I'm looking for myself. Related to extensions repository, I'm trying to make a list of as many Inkscape extensions as I can find, which are not listed here or on the Addons page of the website, which I plan to keep on my website (like the tutorials). But of course I would be glad to share it, or even update that wiki page, if it would be appropriate. Perhaps those who created the extensions had some reason not to list their extension there? I'm not sure, but I'll be glad to add them to the list, if it's appropriate. One more related question. Why is the Addons page called "Addons" and not "Extensions"? Thanks :-) brynn -- From: "Brynn" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 2:29 PM To: "Maren Hachmann" ; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page > Sorry, I somehow sent an empty message. The mouse got away from me, I > guess. > > I don't really have anything to add. > > I just thought the page can't be useful if it's just sitting there not > published. So whatever needs to be done to get it out there. > > Thanks, > brynn > > -- > From: "Maren Hachmann" > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 9:39 AM > To: "Brynn" ; > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page > >> Brynn, your answer seems to have been lost ;) - or maybe this was an >> accident? >> >> Am 08.07.2015 um 05:13 schrieb Brynn: >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Maren Hachmann" >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 5:34 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page >>> >>>> Hi Brynn, >>>> >>>> I've just updated your list a little. >>>> >>>> - added a link to the corresponding bug reports for those >>>> pages-to-create. Maybe answering to a bug report on lp has a lower >>>> entry >>>> threshold than posting to this list. I only remembered we had bug >>>> reports for this when I looked through them recently. >>>> >>>> - as per Martin's request, I separated out the pages to represent a >>>> single task each. >>>> >>>> - then there was the discussion about finding translators >>>> French-English >>>> for the manual written by Elisa and Nico. I added that, too, while it's >>>> currently not officially part of the Inkscape project, I'd think we >>>> should do what we can to support their effort. >>>> >>>> - Also added a link to the contribute page in the intro text, so people >>>> who do not find a task that fits for them in the list can access more >>>> options easily. >>>> >>>> - the empty rows are now gone (we can insert a new one easily when we >>>> need it), and there's an alternating background color, so finding each >>>> line is easier >>>> >>>> Are there any more pages from the Wiki that deserve to be updated and >>>> transferred to inkscape.org? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Maren >>>> >>>> Am 07.07.2015 um 23:04 schrieb Brynn: >>>>> Hi Friends, >>>>> I was waiting to publish the new To-Do List page, because it >>>>> sounded >>>>> like Maren and I were going to add more items to it, related to >>>>> removing >>>>> user-facing pages from the wiki. But that seems to be on hold, for >>>>> some >>>>> reason. >>>>> So I wonder if it should be published, so that other people >>>>> can >>>>> already start using it, to get their own projects listed? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> brynn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. >>>>> GigeNET's
Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page
-- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:11 PM To: "Brynn" ; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page > Hi Brynn, > > yes, extensions would be very valuable indeed. > > One thing we would have to do though, before we list them, is to check > each one on the list for compatibility with the latest Inkscape version, > or at least find out which one is the last version with which they are > compatible. Also we will probably not need to list those that come with > Inkscape (when 0.93 is released, we may have to add a few, then, see > Roadmap: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Roadmap). > > Many extensions are no longer / not well maintained. And now, with the > changes to the extensions function calls in 0.91, many that worked for > years for 0.48.x don't work any more. > > If their licence allows it, we could also consider to upload the working > ones to the website, and add a link to where they come from. Or better > to contact the author and ask them to upload to the website. Some kind > of 'central repository' would make it very easy for users to find what > they need. > But always, always we need to add a hint about the Inkscape version they > are known to work with, if we don't want to frustrate our users. > > I think the developers have also been considering (as a far away > feature) a central repository that can be accessed from inside Inkscape, > like the plugins for Firefox (oh - that's the text from that Wiki page > ;) ). > > About the name: I don't know why Martin chose to call them 'Addons'. In > German, I just called them the same as the menu entry in Inkscape (there > isn't too much choice in German anyway, unless I want to use the English > term). > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 11.07.2015 um 02:25 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Maren, >>I just thought of a wiki page that might need to be moved to the >> website. I often consult this page: >> >> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/ExtensionsRepository >> >> as often as twice weekly, sometimes. Almost always I'm trying to help >> someone who posted in a forum, but occasionally I'm looking for myself. >>Related to extensions repository, I'm trying to make a list of as >> many Inkscape extensions as I can find, which are not listed here or on >> the Addons page of the website, which I plan to keep on my website (like >> the tutorials). But of course I would be glad to share it, or even >> update that wiki page, if it would be appropriate. Perhaps those who >> created the extensions had some reason not to list their extension >> there? I'm not sure, but I'll be glad to add them to the list, if it's >> appropriate. >>One more related question. Why is the Addons page called >> "Addons" and not "Extensions"? >> >> Thanks :-) >> brynn >> >> >> -- >> From: "Brynn" >> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 2:29 PM >> To: "Maren Hachmann" ; >> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page >> >>> Sorry, I somehow sent an empty message. The mouse got away from me, I >>> guess. >>> >>> I don't really have anything to add. >>> >>> I just thought the page can't be useful if it's just sitting there not >>> published. So whatever needs to be done to get it out there. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> brynn >>> >>> ------ >>> From: "Maren Hachmann" >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 9:39 AM >>> To: "Brynn" ; >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page >>> >>>> Brynn, your answer seems to have been lost ;) - or maybe this was an >>>> accident? >>>> >>>> Am 08.07.2015 um 05:13 schrieb Brynn: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> From: "Maren Hachmann" >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 5:34 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Brynn, >>>>>> >>>>>> I've just updated your list a little. >>>>>> >>>>>> - added a link to the corresponding bug reports for those >>
Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page
Oh crap, I think I just sent out another blank msg. Sorry about that, but I am writing a reply, which I'll send shortly. brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:11 PM To: "Brynn" ; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page > Hi Brynn, > > yes, extensions would be very valuable indeed. > > One thing we would have to do though, before we list them, is to check > each one on the list for compatibility with the latest Inkscape version, > or at least find out which one is the last version with which they are > compatible. Also we will probably not need to list those that come with > Inkscape (when 0.93 is released, we may have to add a few, then, see > Roadmap: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Roadmap). > > Many extensions are no longer / not well maintained. And now, with the > changes to the extensions function calls in 0.91, many that worked for > years for 0.48.x don't work any more. > > If their licence allows it, we could also consider to upload the working > ones to the website, and add a link to where they come from. Or better > to contact the author and ask them to upload to the website. Some kind > of 'central repository' would make it very easy for users to find what > they need. > But always, always we need to add a hint about the Inkscape version they > are known to work with, if we don't want to frustrate our users. > > I think the developers have also been considering (as a far away > feature) a central repository that can be accessed from inside Inkscape, > like the plugins for Firefox (oh - that's the text from that Wiki page > ;) ). > > About the name: I don't know why Martin chose to call them 'Addons'. In > German, I just called them the same as the menu entry in Inkscape (there > isn't too much choice in German anyway, unless I want to use the English > term). > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 11.07.2015 um 02:25 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Maren, >>I just thought of a wiki page that might need to be moved to the >> website. I often consult this page: >> >> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/ExtensionsRepository >> >> as often as twice weekly, sometimes. Almost always I'm trying to help >> someone who posted in a forum, but occasionally I'm looking for myself. >>Related to extensions repository, I'm trying to make a list of as >> many Inkscape extensions as I can find, which are not listed here or on >> the Addons page of the website, which I plan to keep on my website (like >> the tutorials). But of course I would be glad to share it, or even >> update that wiki page, if it would be appropriate. Perhaps those who >> created the extensions had some reason not to list their extension >> there? I'm not sure, but I'll be glad to add them to the list, if it's >> appropriate. >>One more related question. Why is the Addons page called >> "Addons" and not "Extensions"? >> >> Thanks :-) >> brynn >> >> >> -- >> From: "Brynn" >> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 2:29 PM >> To: "Maren Hachmann" ; >> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page >> >>> Sorry, I somehow sent an empty message. The mouse got away from me, I >>> guess. >>> >>> I don't really have anything to add. >>> >>> I just thought the page can't be useful if it's just sitting there not >>> published. So whatever needs to be done to get it out there. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> brynn >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Maren Hachmann" >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 9:39 AM >>> To: "Brynn" ; >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page >>> >>>> Brynn, your answer seems to have been lost ;) - or maybe this was an >>>> accident? >>>> >>>> Am 08.07.2015 um 05:13 schrieb Brynn: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> From: "Maren Hachmann" >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 5:34 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Brynn, >>>>>> >>>>>> I've just updated
Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page
Hi Maren, Well if we aren't going to be working together, going through the wiki to identify pages which need either documentation, moving to the website, or worthy of going on To-Do List page, then maybe I could work on this? I could contact all those in the Repository, asking a few questions, such as which version their extensions work, and what kind of license, and are they interested in having it listed on the website or some kind of official repository. Or if there is a better way to approach it? Well anyway, I'll just say that I'd be glad to work on this, if it is needed. All best, brynn -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:11 PM To: "Brynn" ; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page > Hi Brynn, > > yes, extensions would be very valuable indeed. > > One thing we would have to do though, before we list them, is to check > each one on the list for compatibility with the latest Inkscape version, > or at least find out which one is the last version with which they are > compatible. Also we will probably not need to list those that come with > Inkscape (when 0.93 is released, we may have to add a few, then, see > Roadmap: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Roadmap). > > Many extensions are no longer / not well maintained. And now, with the > changes to the extensions function calls in 0.91, many that worked for > years for 0.48.x don't work any more. > > If their licence allows it, we could also consider to upload the working > ones to the website, and add a link to where they come from. Or better > to contact the author and ask them to upload to the website. Some kind > of 'central repository' would make it very easy for users to find what > they need. > But always, always we need to add a hint about the Inkscape version they > are known to work with, if we don't want to frustrate our users. > > I think the developers have also been considering (as a far away > feature) a central repository that can be accessed from inside Inkscape, > like the plugins for Firefox (oh - that's the text from that Wiki page > ;) ). > > About the name: I don't know why Martin chose to call them 'Addons'. In > German, I just called them the same as the menu entry in Inkscape (there > isn't too much choice in German anyway, unless I want to use the English > term). > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 11.07.2015 um 02:25 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Maren, >>I just thought of a wiki page that might need to be moved to the >> website. I often consult this page: >> >> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/ExtensionsRepository >> >> as often as twice weekly, sometimes. Almost always I'm trying to help >> someone who posted in a forum, but occasionally I'm looking for myself. >>Related to extensions repository, I'm trying to make a list of as >> many Inkscape extensions as I can find, which are not listed here or on >> the Addons page of the website, which I plan to keep on my website (like >> the tutorials). But of course I would be glad to share it, or even >> update that wiki page, if it would be appropriate. Perhaps those who >> created the extensions had some reason not to list their extension >> there? I'm not sure, but I'll be glad to add them to the list, if it's >> appropriate. >>One more related question. Why is the Addons page called >> "Addons" and not "Extensions"? >> >> Thanks :-) >> brynn >> >> >> -- >> From: "Brynn" >> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 2:29 PM >> To: "Maren Hachmann" ; >> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page >> >>> Sorry, I somehow sent an empty message. The mouse got away from me, I >>> guess. >>> >>> I don't really have anything to add. >>> >>> I just thought the page can't be useful if it's just sitting there not >>> published. So whatever needs to be done to get it out there. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> brynn >>> >>> ------ >>> From: "Maren Hachmann" >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 9:39 AM >>> To: "Brynn" ; >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page >>> >>>> Brynn, your answer seems to have been lost ;) - or maybe this was an >>>> accident? >>>> >>&g
Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page
Hi Everyone, Is it ok to move into Contribute menu now? Thanks, brynn -- From: "Brynn" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 2:29 PM To: "Maren Hachmann" ; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page > Sorry, I somehow sent an empty message. The mouse got away from me, I > guess. > > I don't really have anything to add. > > I just thought the page can't be useful if it's just sitting there not > published. So whatever needs to be done to get it out there. > > Thanks, > brynn > > -- > From: "Maren Hachmann" > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 9:39 AM > To: "Brynn" ; > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page > >> Brynn, your answer seems to have been lost ;) - or maybe this was an >> accident? >> >> Am 08.07.2015 um 05:13 schrieb Brynn: >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Maren Hachmann" >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 5:34 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page >>> >>>> Hi Brynn, >>>> >>>> I've just updated your list a little. >>>> >>>> - added a link to the corresponding bug reports for those >>>> pages-to-create. Maybe answering to a bug report on lp has a lower >>>> entry >>>> threshold than posting to this list. I only remembered we had bug >>>> reports for this when I looked through them recently. >>>> >>>> - as per Martin's request, I separated out the pages to represent a >>>> single task each. >>>> >>>> - then there was the discussion about finding translators >>>> French-English >>>> for the manual written by Elisa and Nico. I added that, too, while it's >>>> currently not officially part of the Inkscape project, I'd think we >>>> should do what we can to support their effort. >>>> >>>> - Also added a link to the contribute page in the intro text, so people >>>> who do not find a task that fits for them in the list can access more >>>> options easily. >>>> >>>> - the empty rows are now gone (we can insert a new one easily when we >>>> need it), and there's an alternating background color, so finding each >>>> line is easier >>>> >>>> Are there any more pages from the Wiki that deserve to be updated and >>>> transferred to inkscape.org? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Maren >>>> >>>> Am 07.07.2015 um 23:04 schrieb Brynn: >>>>> Hi Friends, >>>>> I was waiting to publish the new To-Do List page, because it >>>>> sounded >>>>> like Maren and I were going to add more items to it, related to >>>>> removing >>>>> user-facing pages from the wiki. But that seems to be on hold, for >>>>> some >>>>> reason. >>>>> So I wonder if it should be published, so that other people >>>>> can >>>>> already start using it, to get their own projects listed? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> brynn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. >>>>> GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that >>>>> you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. >>>>> Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today. >>>>> https://www.gigenetcloud.com/ >>>>> ___ >>>>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>>>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud. >>>> GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that >>>> you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business. >>&
[Inkscape-docs] 2 new pages for website, another 1 planned
Hi Friends,
We have 2 new webpages for the website, should anyone have any
comments or suggestions. Also, they are ready to be translated.
1 -- In the Contribute section:
https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/to-do-list/ Community To-Do List. This
is a list of jobs that are needed by all parts of the community. It's not
about new features or bugs, but for jobs that definitely need to be done, to
move the project forward.
If anyone has any jobs like this, which they would like the wider
community to know about, you're welcome to add them to the list. If you
don't have edit permissions on the website, you could either request to
have, or contact the website team to have your info listed.
2 -- In the Learn section: https://inkscape.org/en/learn/animation/
Animation. This is to help answer the many questions which are posted in
forums and elsewhere, about animation and Inkscape.
While I searched (and researched) quite diligently, and also had
help from Maren, there may be some apps out there that I didn't find.
Especially I feel like I might not have covered the Scripting and Markup
section very well, since I have barely a general grasp of that area myself.
So any comments or suggestions will be very welcome.
Next I'll be working on a page for a curated list of Inkscape
extensions ("curated" meaning that I'll attempt determine which versions of
Inkscape each extension works on, which come with Inkscape/which need to be
installed, and including current download and contact info for each, etc.).
Eventually we hope to have them all on Add-ons page
(https://inkscape.org/en/download/addons/) but for now, they will just be
listed in a table, maybe something like the table on the To-Do List page.
If anyone has any comments or suggestions about that, I will welcome
them :-)
All best,
brynn
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> While the Learn menu doesn't contain any other specific topics, I'm
> willing to see where this topic goes. If it's good at reducing the
> questions about animation then I say we keep it as an exception.
> Otherwise we should think about a topics section as we perhaps link
> parts of the manual in (much later! maybe next year)
When we start to have a lot of tutorials (well, any tutorials) there may
become a need to categorize them. So while it's not really a tutorial, I
could see it in a larger category about animation, alongside tutorials.
Or Topics sounds interesting too :-)
All best,
brynn
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From: "Martin Owens"
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 PM
To: "Brynn"
Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" ; "Inkscape-Devel"
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] 2 new pages for website, another 1 planned
> On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 10:00 -0600, Brynn wrote:
>> Hi Friends,
>> We have 2 new webpages for the website, should anyone have any
>> comments or suggestions. Also, they are ready to be translated.
>>
>> 1 -- In the Contribute section:
>> https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/to-do-list/ Community To-Do List.
>> This
>> is a list of jobs that are needed by all parts of the community. It's
>> not
>> about new features or bugs, but for jobs that definitely need to be done,
>> to
>> move the project forward.
>> If anyone has any jobs like this, which they would like the wider
>> community to know about, you're welcome to add them to the list. If you
>> don't have edit permissions on the website, you could either request to
>> have, or contact the website team to have your info listed.
>
> This pages looks great. A good addition to the website.
>
>> 2 -- In the Learn section: https://inkscape.org/en/learn/animation/
>> Animation. This is to help answer the many questions which are posted in
>> forums and elsewhere, about animation and Inkscape.
>> While I searched (and researched) quite diligently, and also had
>> help from Maren, there may be some apps out there that I didn't find.
>> Especially I feel like I might not have covered the Scripting and Markup
>> section very well, since I have barely a general grasp of that area
>> myself.
>> So any comments or suggestions will be very welcome.
>
> While the Learn menu doesn't contain any other specific topics, I'm
> willing to see where this topic goes. If it's good at reducing the
> questions about animation then I say we keep it as an exception.
> Otherwise we should think about a topics section as we perhaps link
> parts of the manual in (much later! maybe next year)
>
>> Next I'll be working on a page for a curated list of Inkscape
>> extensions ("curated" meaning that I'll attempt determine which versions
>> of
>> Inkscape each extension works on, which come with Inkscape/which need to
>> be
>> installed, and including current download and contact info for each,
>> etc.).
>> Eventually we hope to have them all on Add-ons page
>> (https://inkscape.org/en/download/addons/) but for now, they will just be
>> listed in a table, maybe something like the table on the To-Do List page.
>> If anyone has any comments or suggestions about that, I will
>> welcome
>> them :-)
>
> This is a great start Brynn, and looks like lot of hard work on your
> part. Thanks a lot for putting together and doing the research on these
> items. Crafting website content can be quite a bit of research and a
> tiny bit f writing to do it well and I think you have done it well here.
>
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>
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Hi Everyone, A couple of thoughts. I think this message did not go to the User list, because of the "s" in the address, right before the "@" (inkscape-us...@lists.sourceforge.net). At least I didn't receive it there. This has been plaguing me, ever since I joined the list (not getting messages addressed to the user list, in my user list folder). I thought the problem was I just can't seem to get my mail rules set properly. I threw my hands up and finally gave up a couple of months ago. Now I just noticed the extra "s" in Martin's message, and looked up the actual address (on SF, since site is still down) to confirm. It looks like the real address does not contain that "s" and I wonder if other people have the address with the extra "s"? Maybe that explains messages addressed to inkscape-users@sf not showing in my User List folder? Maybe other people have done that too? ORdoes it somehow work both ways (and I still don't have my rules correct)? Shall I announce in forums about the website being down info? Or will going to User list be enough? All best, brynn -- From: "Martin Owens" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:17 PM To: "inkscape-devel" ; ; Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Website Down > -- > > ___ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Website Down
Hah! Yes, I just got a fatal delivery error (from my isp) on that reply. It definitely does not work either way ;-) brynn -- From: "Brynn" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:34 PM To: "Martin Owens" ; "inkscape-devel" ; ; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Website Down > Hi Everyone, >A couple of thoughts. > I think this message did not go to the User list, because of the "s" in > the > address, right before the "@" > (inkscape-us...@lists.sourceforge.net). > At least I didn't receive it there. > > This has been plaguing me, ever since I joined the list (not getting > messages addressed to the user list, in my user list folder). I thought > the > problem was I just can't seem to get my mail rules set properly. I threw > my > hands up and finally gave up a couple of months ago. Now I just noticed > the > extra "s" in Martin's message, and looked up the actual address (on SF, > since site is still down) to confirm. > > It looks like the real address does not contain that "s" and I wonder if > other people have the address with the extra "s"? Maybe that explains > messages addressed to inkscape-users@sf not showing in my User List > folder? > Maybe other people have done that too? ORdoes it somehow work both > ways > (and I still don't have my rules correct)? > > Shall I announce in forums about the website being down info? Or will > going > to User list be enough? > > All best, > brynn > > -- > From: "Martin Owens" > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:17 PM > To: "inkscape-devel" ; > ; > > Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Website Down > >> -- >> > > > >> ___ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > > -- > ___ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] a webpage not on https?
Hi Friends, I don't know exactly how to explain this, except in the simple language or understanding I have about this. Likely it's not a serious problem, or even a problem at all. But since there was a recent thread on the dev mailing list about SSL, I thought I should mention it, just in case. I used to get regular visits to my site, which were referred by inkscape.org. At some point, a year or 2 ago, when inkscape.org went to https, I stopped getting reports about those visits. I did a little research, and now I understand why my analytics apps can't report those visits anymore. It goes to the very nature of https. Anyway, yesterday I was surprised to see a visit from inkscape.org. The visit came from https://inkscape.org/pt/aprender/tutoriais/. And I see that it does say https. But there must be some explanationbecause https is not supposed to be back-trace-able. Maybe this is just some kind of one-time glitch, and it's no problem. But I thought I should mention, just in case :-) All best, brynn -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] news item about new video tutorials?
Hi Friends, I was just wondering if it would be a good idea to have a news item about these proposed new video tutorials? I can't volunteer to write this one myself, because I feel like I don't have a very clear understanding about it. But maybe someone else does? Maybe it would be a way to possibly bring in more volunteers, besides keeping the community updated? Just a thought :-) All best, brynn -- Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools in one place. SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991&iu=/4140 ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] key/mouse ref comment/question
Hi Friends, I don't use key shortcuts much. But in trying to answer support questions, I often need to look things up (when people explain what they did by giving key shortcuts instead of words). I'm not sure if it's just me, but I find the Content section on the right side of the Key And Mouse Ref page is hard to use. It would be easier if it was not a long, wrapped list of links, with dots and | to separate them; but instead an outline type of format, that echoes the format of the shortcuts (on the left to middle of page).like this (I hope the indents come through for everyone): Tools Dialogs Open Toggle visibility Within a dialog Controls bar Access Navigate Change values Canvas Zoom etc. Yes, I realize that would make that section much longer. But it would still be shorter than the whole page. And it would be so much easier to use. I can probably do the work myself -- assuming there's some kind of discussion and consensus about it. Does anyone else think this might be helpful? Thanks for comments. (Heck, I might even use more key shortcuts, if they were easier to look up :-) ) All best, brynn -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] key/mouse ref comment/question
Thanks Maren, Well, like me, many less-tech-savvy Inkscape users don't know those tricks. Too bad it can't be edited like other pages. I'll make the report. Thanks again :-) -- From: "Maren Hachmann" Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 1:58 PM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] key/mouse ref comment/question > Hi Brynn, > > I see what you mean - I found it suboptimal, too, but also I'm usually > just doing Ctrl+F on the page to find what I need (and F3 to jump to the > next occurance), so it didn't bother me enough to ask for a change ;) > > You could make this a wishlist bug report in inkscape-docs > (https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-docs). > > Jazzynico creates those files automatically using a script and the > keys.xml file from here: > http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/inkscape-docs/trunk/files/head:/keys/ > . > > Kind regards, > Maren > > > Am 05.09.2015 um 21:41 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi Friends, >> I don't use key shortcuts much. But in trying to answer support >> questions, I often need to look things up (when people explain what they >> did >> by giving key shortcuts instead of words). I'm not sure if it's just me, >> but I find the Content section on the right side of the Key And Mouse Ref >> page is hard to use. It would be easier if it was not a long, wrapped >> list >> of links, with dots and | to separate them; but instead an outline type >> of >> format, that echoes the format of the shortcuts (on the left to middle of >> page).like this (I hope the indents come through for everyone): >> >> Tools >> Dialogs >> Open >> Toggle visibility >> Within a dialog >> Controls bar >> Access >> Navigate >> Change values >> Canvas >> Zoom >> etc. >> >> Yes, I realize that would make that section much longer. But it >> would still be shorter than the whole page. And it would be so much >> easier >> to use. >> I can probably do the work myself -- assuming there's some kind >> of >> discussion and consensus about it. >> Does anyone else think this might be helpful? Thanks for >> comments. >> (Heck, I might even use more key shortcuts, if they were easier to look >> up >> :-) ) >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> >> -- >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > > -- > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] key/mouse ref comment/question
Thanks. I made report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-docs/+bug/1492650 All best, brynn -- From: "Nicolas Dufour" Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 4:08 PM To: "Brynn" ; Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] key/mouse ref comment/question > Hi Brynn and Maren, > > Brynn a écrit : >> Well, like me, many less-tech-savvy Inkscape users don't know those >> tricks. Too bad it can't be edited like other pages. > > Changing how the links show should not be too difficult. Just a couple of > HTML and CSS changes. > Don't hesitate to fill in a report, and I'll try to take a closer look. > > Regards, > -- > Nicolas -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] notification on gallery comments?
Hi Friends, It seems there is no notification when comments are posted to images in the gallery. (Just noticed a comment, posted 6 months ago, on one of my images.) I don't find any report for it in LP (either as bug or feature request). Is this worth making a feature request for? Or is it already in the plans, and coming down the pike? What about editing comments? Same? Thanks, brynn -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] Fw: notification on gallery comments?
No wonder my reply never showed up. I forgot to check the address before sending. Below is my reply -- From: "Brynn" Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 8:39 PM To: "Maren Hachmann" Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] notification on gallery comments? > Hi Maren, >Hah! I saw that. But I thought it meant comments in the coding or > programming for the website. (I've heard about "commenting in" or > "commenting out" in some kinds of codes.) When things are briefly written > like that, without much explanation or detail, I tend to think it's > developers addressing each other. (And of course I like to stay out of > that, if possible.) >Maybe if the word "gallery" was in the report somewhere? Because > don't we already get notified (the flashing envelope icon) for messages in > profiles? Maybe that could be used to notify for both kinds of comments? >I understand about the editing issue. Personally, it annoys me > when admins prevent editing in forums. I understand why they do it, but > here in the gallery, I'm not sure if those reasons matter. I wouldn't > think technical or emotional discussions would occur much, if at all. >Although having said that, I'm not prepared to press the issue. > Except I wonder if it could become a space issue, where there's a lot of > back and forth, correcting, explaining, etc. But maybe space isn't an > issue? >Anyway, thanks :-) > > All best, > brynn > > > -- > From: "Maren Hachmann" > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 9:26 AM > To: "Brynn" ; "Inkscape-Docs" > > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] notification on gallery comments? > >> Hi Brynn, >> >> there is one: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1402699 >> >> Editing comments is something that would need to be discussed. >> I don't think it's a priority currently, but you can make a feature >> request. There are many sites that don't allow to edit your comments - >> and that could be an advantage for moderation. I don't have a >> preference there. >> >> Kind regards, >> Maren >> >> Am 18.10.2015 um 04:21 schrieb Brynn: >>> Hi Friends, It seems there is no notification when comments are >>> posted to images in the gallery. (Just noticed a comment, posted 6 >>> months ago, on one of my images.) I don't find any report for it >>> in LP (either as bug or feature request). Is this worth making a >>> feature request for? Or is it already in the plans, and coming >>> down the pike? What about editing comments? Same? >>> >>> Thanks, brynn >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >> >>> >>> >> ___ >>> Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >>> >> -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] gallery image is photo
Hi Friends, This image in the gallery: https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/6776/ Nice cardboard fort! (hotel for cats?) But it has to be a photoright? All best, brynn -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] gallery image is photo
>> What would you suggest? Well I just wasn't sure I wanted to know what everyone else thought. Oh, but wait! I just noticed he added an external link. My instinct is this is spam. Although it's certainly not that bad, as far as spam goes. But architectural drawing is fully within Inkscape's purview. So it still *could* be legit. But my spam radar is going off. I think this is one of those clever human spammers, that give us fits in forums. I guess we don't have something like a flagging, or a watch list feature? I don't mind keeping a list on my own. Although I don't think I have the right kind of access to check for multiple accounts from the same IP/person. Does the link change your mind? All best, brynn -- From: "Martin Owens" Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 4:14 PM To: "Maren Hachmann" Cc: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] gallery image is photo > On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 21:13 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> Hi Brynn, >> >> saw it, too, but didn't suggest deletion as there was no hard reason - >> like spamming, nudity, advertisement,... It might just be someone who >> wanted to show his more or less artful creation to someone else and used >> our website for it... >> >> What would you suggest? > > Brynn, Maren, > > One of the reasons we keep the per user files limit to 10MB is to limit > the amount of resources used for random things. Putting a file on > inkscape.org is way more work than getting 2GB of google storage and > using that. > > So I say leave it be, it's not worth antagonising a potential user over > something not really harmful. A difference would be if the user had > multiple accounts. > > Martin, > > > -- > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] gallery image is photo
Sylvain, The first one you mentioned is the same one I'm talking about (6776), with the link to bing search results. For the 2nd one (6691), a lot of people use Inkscape to make t-shirt designs, or designs to go on clothing or fabric (such as for screenprinting). There's no external link either. So it doesn't worry me. Everyone, I guess I'll just start keeping a watch list, and let you know if it goes bad (or worse, I should say). All best :-) brynn -- From: "Sylvain Chiron" Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 7:36 AM To: "Inkscape Docs" Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] gallery image is photo > Hi, > > Speaking of this: > https://inkscape.org/gallery/item/6776/ > There's also this one: > https://inkscape.org/gallery/item/6691/ > > I think you should remove them. It's just misleading for people who > discover vector graphics or don't know it well. > > Sylvain > > > Le 25/10/2015 02:25, Brynn a écrit : >>>> What would you suggest? >> >> Well I just wasn't sure I wanted to know what everyone else thought. >> >> Oh, but wait! I just noticed he added an external link. My instinct is >> this is spam. Although it's certainly not that bad, as far as spam goes. >> >> But architectural drawing is fully within Inkscape's purview. So it >> still >> *could* be legit. But my spam radar is going off. I think this is one >> of >> those clever human spammers, that give us fits in forums. >> >> I guess we don't have something like a flagging, or a watch list feature? >> I >> don't mind keeping a list on my own. Although I don't think I have the >> right kind of access to check for multiple accounts from the same >> IP/person. >> >> Does the link change your mind? >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> -- >> From: "Martin Owens" >> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 4:14 PM >> To: "Maren Hachmann" >> Cc: >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] gallery image is photo >> >>> On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 21:13 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: >>>> Hi Brynn, >>>> >>>> saw it, too, but didn't suggest deletion as there was no hard reason - >>>> like spamming, nudity, advertisement,... It might just be someone who >>>> wanted to show his more or less artful creation to someone else and >>>> used >>>> our website for it... >>>> >>>> What would you suggest? >>> >>> Brynn, Maren, >>> >>> One of the reasons we keep the per user files limit to 10MB is to limit >>> the amount of resources used for random things. Putting a file on >>> inkscape.org is way more work than getting 2GB of google storage and >>> using that. >>> >>> So I say leave it be, it's not worth antagonising a potential user over >>> something not really harmful. A difference would be if the user had >>> multiple accounts. >>> >>> Martin, >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ___ >>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> >> >> -- >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > -- > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] more on writing extensions
Hi Friends (Maren, Martin), I've been wondering whether it might be a good idea to have a link to the guide to writing extensions, which recently was mentioned in a message on the dev list (https://medium.com/@xaviju/inkscape-extensions-by-non-developers-for-non-developers-a-primer-b272dda360fe) somewhere on the website. Maybe either on the Develop page, or on the new Extensions page? And since I just came across another less technical kind of guide: http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/hacks/write-inkscape-extension-create-multiple-duplicates/, I'm motivated to bring up the issue here. Should they be listed/linked? I think they both serve as simple examples, which potentially could help new extension-writers. Or would they just be in that category of more links that are prone to bitrot? Just a thought. I'll be glad to make the edits, if everyone else agrees. All best, brynn -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] more on writing extensions
That sounds reasonable to me. From what I recall of his message on the list, it seems like he might be interested. However, I've just rediscovered another guide that I knew about a long time ago, but had forgotten about. http://sugarpillstudios.com/wp/?p=142 So now with 3 potentially helpful, but "unofficial" guides, will it be reasonable to ask all 3 authors to contribute to the website? Or maybe I will discover more? I certainly don't mind contacting them and asking...or inviting them to help with the official guide (especially since I've been "pushing" to get a guide written). But I'm not sure if it would be appropriate. Kind of like making "cold calls" an old telemarketing term, meaning to sell something to strangers who have no previous interest in the product. I'm guessing they might offer to let us quote from their guides, rather than find the time to do it themselves. I mean, I don't mind trying to contact them, if that's what we decide to do. Who knows? Maybe they would want to work together on it? Or maybe someone who is more familiar with writing extensions could use the info from these 3 guides, to add to the official one? It's all just a little beyond my reach, to be able to do that myself. When I read these guides, I get through the first 3 or 4 paragraphs, and then I'm completely lost. Anyone else with ideas? (or offers :-)) brynn ------ From: "Martin Owens" Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 4:04 PM To: "Brynn" Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more on writing extensions > Hi Brynn, > > What would be a really good outreach is if you contact the author of the > medium.com article and ask him if he'd like to improve the inkscape.org > extension guide with the information he's written on his blog. > > that way we don't have to link to something that might disapear for > information we should certainly have the best of on our website and we > potentially invite a new contributor to help out on the official pages. > > Thoughts? > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > On Fri, 2015-11-06 at 15:22 -0700, Brynn wrote: >> Hi Friends (Maren, Martin), >> I've been wondering whether it might be a good idea to have a >> link >> to the guide to writing extensions, which recently was mentioned in a >> message on the dev list >> (https://medium.com/@xaviju/inkscape-extensions-by-non-developers-for-non-developers-a-primer-b272dda360fe) >> somewhere on the website. Maybe either on the Develop page, or on the >> new >> Extensions page? >> And since I just came across another less technical kind of >> guide: >> http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/hacks/write-inkscape-extension-create-multiple-duplicates/, >> I'm motivated to bring up the issue here. >> Should they be listed/linked? I think they both serve as simple >> examples, which potentially could help new extension-writers. Or would >> they >> just be in that category of more links that are prone to bitrot? >> Just a thought. I'll be glad to make the edits, if everyone else >> agrees. >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> -- >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] more on writing extensions
Another: http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/hacks/parsing-and-setting-colors-inkscape-extensions/ >From here, I'll keep the list to myself, and share when I finish searching ;-) brynn -- From: "Brynn" Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 4:53 PM To: "Inkscape-Docs" Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more on writing extensions > That sounds reasonable to me. From what I recall of his message on the > list, it seems like he might be interested. > > However, I've just rediscovered another guide that I knew about a long > time ago, but had forgotten about. http://sugarpillstudios.com/wp/?p=142 > > So now with 3 potentially helpful, but "unofficial" guides, will it be > reasonable to ask all 3 authors to contribute to the website? Or maybe I > will discover more? > > I certainly don't mind contacting them and asking...or inviting them to > help with the official guide (especially since I've been "pushing" to get > a guide written). But I'm not sure if it would be appropriate. Kind of > like making "cold calls" an old telemarketing term, meaning to sell > something to strangers who have no previous interest in the product. > > I'm guessing they might offer to let us quote from their guides, rather > than find the time to do it themselves. I mean, I don't mind trying to > contact them, if that's what we decide to do. Who knows? Maybe they > would want to work together on it? > > Or maybe someone who is more familiar with writing extensions could use > the info from these 3 guides, to add to the official one? It's all just a > little beyond my reach, to be able to do that myself. When I read these > guides, I get through the first 3 or 4 paragraphs, and then I'm completely > lost. > > Anyone else with ideas? (or offers :-)) > > brynn > > ------ > From: "Martin Owens" > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 4:04 PM > To: "Brynn" > Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more on writing extensions > >> Hi Brynn, >> >> What would be a really good outreach is if you contact the author of the >> medium.com article and ask him if he'd like to improve the inkscape.org >> extension guide with the information he's written on his blog. >> >> that way we don't have to link to something that might disapear for >> information we should certainly have the best of on our website and we >> potentially invite a new contributor to help out on the official pages. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Best Regards, Martin Owens >> >> On Fri, 2015-11-06 at 15:22 -0700, Brynn wrote: >>> Hi Friends (Maren, Martin), >>> I've been wondering whether it might be a good idea to have a >>> link >>> to the guide to writing extensions, which recently was mentioned in a >>> message on the dev list >>> (https://medium.com/@xaviju/inkscape-extensions-by-non-developers-for-non-developers-a-primer-b272dda360fe) >>> somewhere on the website. Maybe either on the Develop page, or on the >>> new >>> Extensions page? >>> And since I just came across another less technical kind of >>> guide: >>> http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/hacks/write-inkscape-extension-create-multiple-duplicates/, >>> I'm motivated to bring up the issue here. >>> Should they be listed/linked? I think they both serve as simple >>> examples, which potentially could help new extension-writers. Or would >>> they >>> just be in that category of more links that are prone to bitrot? >>> Just a thought. I'll be glad to make the edits, if everyone >>> else >>> agrees. >>> >>> All best, >>> brynn >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ___ >>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> >> -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
