[lace] Lace Demonstrating

2016-05-05 Thread cec
I begin my 8th year demonstrating early bobbin lace at the Virginia
Renaissance Fair on Saturday.  If there are Lacemakers in the area or
anyone who enjoys a family friendly day out please come to the Fair.  
The fair runs Saturdays and Sundays from May 7th through June 5th in
Spottsylvania County Virginia. and information and directions can be
found at www.varf.org.

Cindy 
In a cool Dumfries, VA 

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating lace

2015-06-16 Thread Jazmin
Much as I feel every day can be (and often is) knit in public day
(yes, I had my knitting out at the cafe on Saturday for the 'official'
day), my lace pillow with the simple little nine pin edging comes with
me all sorts of places (mostly SCA events, but not entirely!).

Every day can be lace in public day!

Heather -- who is still chuffed to bits that my darling SiL used some
of my knitted lace as part of her wedding dress this past weekend.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Lyn Bailey lynrbai...@supernet.com wrote:

 The real point is, demonstrating lace wherever you are is important, and
 doesn’t take much.  Just bring along some lace where you don’t need total
 quiet in order to concentrate, and make lace in a public place.  It does make
 a difference.

 Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA where we’ve finally turned on the air
 conditioning.  Hot and humid.

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[lace] Demonstrating lace

2015-06-16 Thread Lyn Bailey
Whether there is a special day for it or not, we should all, especially in the
US, where they still almost universally think bobbin lace is tatting, do lace
in public places as much as possible.  Kathryn Roberts and I demonstrated lace
at the Pennsylvania Guild of Craftsmen Makefest.  The Guild took over a block
of Queen Street, and the demos were there.  Including 3D printing, and T shirt
screening, and glass blowing, and wood carving.   Lacemaking had been
mentioned in the newspaper article, and some people came looking for the lace.
I will be teaching a class in October, and had a haveago pillow with me.  Each
person did a row of linen stitch, 7 pairs total, in #10 colored crochet
cotton.  For my purposes, getting people to try it on a pillow, (2 over 3, 2
over 1 and 4 over 3, 2 over 3) showed them that it wasn’t nearly as
difficult as they thought it was.  I remembered that what kick started me was
doing a haveago pillow at a craft show in Noonan, Georgia, USA.  It certainly
makes a difference in one’s mindset as to whether this is possible.  One
woman remembered my demonstrating lace 3 years ago outside of Central Market
here in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, our local farmer’s market that goes
back to 1730.

The real point is, demonstrating lace wherever you are is important, and
doesn’t take much.  Just bring along some lace where you don’t need total
quiet in order to concentrate, and make lace in a public place.  It does make
a difference.

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA where we’ve finally turned on the air
conditioning.  Hot and humid.

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-13 Thread Vicki Bradford
Dear Fellow Spiders,


To?the usual 'never have the patience' comment.
My response is that it gives me patience rather than taking it, and that I am
much more relaxed after I've been able to work on my lace..(-: ?


Next, no, it isn't hard. (To me, some things are tedious, but if I can grasp
them conceptually I don't think they should be described as 'hard'. I think to
say 'yes, it is hard' only puts people off.) But then I proceed to tell why it
isn't hard. Rather than saying it is all 'cross  twist', I say it is mostly
'right over left or left over right', making the motion as I say it. It is a
kind of weaving, but two rows at a time.Most children (and adults) have woven
potholders and understand the concept of basic weaving. If they ask about how
I know what to do, I show them that there is a pattern that tells me. If they
ask how I can understand the pattern, I ask if they can read music (which
thankfully often elicits a yes...but if not, there are other examples). It's
just notation that you learn to interpret. And finally, when I still get the
look of skepticism, I remind them that computers only use zeros and ones, and
it is in the combining of many simple things that something complex results.
So zero  one, cross  twistyes, it moves on from there, but it does cover
the essentials and their eyes show them that there is a bit more to it.


Vicki in Maryland

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-13 Thread The Lacebee
I absolutely agree with Vicki on this one.  The need to make lace backwards 
when. You have a mistake and just can't ignore it taught me patience.  I leant 
in my early 20s and at that age I thought there was no time for anything.  If I 
made a mistake in may other craft I would work round it but in lacemaking, if 
you made a mistake the bobbins simple weren't where you needed them and you had 
to go backwards.  I've learnt that some mistakes can be ignored and the finish 
piece looks fine other times no.

A bit like life really.

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

 On 14 Dec 2013, at 01:07, Vicki Bradford twohappyb...@aol.com wrote:
 
 To?the usual 'never have the patience' comment.
 My response is that it gives me patience rather than taking it, and that I am
 much more relaxed after I've been able to work on my lace..(-: ?

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-11 Thread Catherine Barley

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Does anyone remember the spectacular fashion show the Puerto Rico 
lacemakers held at the castle by the sea during their IOLI convention many 
years ago?  bBeautiful laces newly made for baptismal dresses, communition 
dresses, weddings, quinceaneras and just for nice.


Handmade lace still was obviously a part of their lives.

EMK



Geraldine Stott and myself were invited to teach lacemaking on a caribbean 
cruise back in the 1980's.  We flew to Puerto Rico where we taught for two 
days before boarding the ship for the cruise and it was there in Puerto Rico 
that the local lacemakers put on a fashion show for us.  It was excellent 
and the work was exquisite - all gorgeous pure linen dresses etc embellished 
with the most beautiful hand worked lace and stitching.  I remember one 
little girl in particular who really fancied herself as a fashion model, and 
the organisers just couldn't get her of the stage - she was like a true 
professional on the catwalk!


Catherine Barley
UK

Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com

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RE: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-09 Thread Angel Skubic
I am self taught and I started with Bucks-point since I learned a long time
ago that if I am not thrilled with the beauty of what I am making I will
never complete it. Thusly I do better by jumping into the deep end of the
pool (which by the way is how I learned how to swim as well) I have to know
that when I am done people are going to go o.Awww. and
tell me they would never have the patience for that. I want what I do to be
beautiful and something people as well as me will want to mount and put up
for everyone to see. I cross-stitch, knit, crochet, work chainmail, and do
lace that way...Remarkably the method works great for me because I am never
disappointed even if my first attempts have errors. I just keep trying and
perfecting until it is how I wish it to look. I am pleased with my efforts,
I am eager to start more...I generally end up gifting almost all of my
stuff. I have learned I have to be occasionally firm and insist on something
being just mine, or I never have anything and everyone else has my work on
their walls LOL. My mother, bless her soul, did make sure that when she
passed all the works she received from me came back to me. So I am in
agreement that there really is no real line that cannot be crossed if you're
willing to accept the challenge and take the time to make sure you're
learning the basics as you go. The most important thing to remember is you
have to do something you seriously want to do, and that you're enjoying
yourself. I am a strong believer in not letting other's set limits for you.
I do have to admit however that I am very independent and not all people
have my desire to jump in head first into deep water (yes I dived before I
swam) but my brain is wired that way. Everyone has their own idea of where
they wish to start and should be allowed to start there...either at the very
beginning with braids or at the deep end. I do have to admit, that I made 2
braids, it took one afternoon and I KNEW right then that I would never make
lace if I continued in that manner.

Cearbhael 

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-09 Thread The Lacebee
One of the exercises that I did with my delegates at the weekend was to give 
them insight I to how they prefer to learn. I use VARK and Honey  Mumford as 
the two learning style tests.  Google them, you will quickly see yourself in 
the descriptions.  

What the delegates found interesting is that they all thought that they had a 
preferred learning style however, most had a strong preference but were 
surprised to find that there was a second preference that was also string. Then 
when they looked into their second preference in more detail they all admitted 
that they do find it easier to access learning through the second way if the 
first was unavailable.

There has been a lot written on how if you force someone to learn through a low 
preference learning style it will be hard but they will never forget.  I can 
store massive amounts of data in my head but it is in context rather than read 
off a page.  I had to learn a poem for my o levels... It took two weeks to 
learn but I have never forgotten it.  I have problems remembering song lyrics 
or pieces of music however, I can sight read music two play on the guitar or 
piano or to sing.

From the comment below I would expect the VARK to show that preferred sensory 
learning style (how you would prefer to experience learning) as kinaesetic - 
to learn through all the senses, feel, see, hear and taste and the the HM 
psychological learning style (how you would prefer to think about and 
rationalise learning) as activist - learn through doing but with high theorist 
tendencies (give me a book and I can perform brain surgery).

I find how people learn and retain information important and exciting because 
my challenge as a tutor and trainer is to ensure all my training is accessible 
regardless of how the delegate wants to access the training and learn.

The great teacher that everyone loved at school would have modelled this 
behaviour; they would have been everything to everyone so that everyone thought 
that the teacher was talking just to them and made a connection. That was just 
an outstanding teacher who was able to get everyone to access learning.

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

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 The most important thing to remember is you
 have to do something you seriously want to do, and that you're enjoying
 yourself. I am a strong believer in not letting other's set limits for you.

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RE: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-09 Thread Angel Skubic
Liz I am amazed!!!

I took the test. You are right on the button!!! I am definitely kinaesetic.

Thanks for the information, It was quite enlightening, though I doubt I am
going to perform any brain surgery despite the possibility of a book out
there I could learn from LOL...

Cearbhael

From the comment below I would expect the VARK to show that preferred
sensory learning style (how you would prefer to experience learning) as
kinaesetic - to learn through all the senses, feel, see, hear and taste and
the the HM psychological learning style (how you would prefer to think
about and rationalise learning) as activist - learn through doing but with
high theorist tendencies (give me a book and I can perform brain surgery).


Kind Regards

Liz Baker

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[lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-08 Thread Alex Stillwell
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:40:49 -0500 (EST)
From: dmt11h...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Demonstrating

..At one point someone came to a lace class that we were
having  and said
that she had been told that there were really only two stitches, cross  and
twist and that after you learned how to do them you could do anything. We
were
a little stunned and the teacher didn't know how to proceed with this  idea.
Devon

Hi Arachnids

The answer is simple. Knitting has only two basic stitches – plain and purl
– and you can make all kinds of patterns and garments. Lacemaking is the
same, two basic stitches and they used in many different ways.

Merry Christmas

Alex

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-08 Thread Catherine Barley
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Demonstrating




Subject: Re: [lace] Demonstrating

Hi Arachnids

The answer is simple. Knitting has only two basic stitches â? plain and 
purl

â? and you can make all kinds of patterns and garments. Lacemaking is the
same, two basic stitches and they used in many different ways.



Alex


I use the same analogy myself  for both bobbin and needlelace.  It's just 
like knitting or crochet in that there is just one basic stitch, a 
buttonhole/blanket stitch for needlelace and  either a plain ir purl stitch 
for kntting - you knit into either the back or the front of it to give you a 
plain or purl row.  If you knit 2 sts together, you need to make a stitch in 
the following row by either knitting into both the front and back of the 
same stitch to increase, or you put the wool round the needle to increase, 
each method gives a different appearance to the finished work.  It's the 
same with needlelace and crochet, in that you miss a loop, which results in 
a gap between the loops, so one needs to maintain the original number of 
stitches by working additional stitches into these long loops in the 
following row - Simple!


Catherine Barley
Henley-on-Thames
UK

Who must get back to scanning her book for POD.  I'm making progress and 
it's going to happen, thanks to Alex and her printing company!


Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com



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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-08 Thread Lyn Bailey
I have been thinking about this. That is that the student thought this was 
something vey easy, like gluegun crafts.  I think the problem was with the 
person, and not necessarily with the words of the demonstrator.  Unless all 
that was being shown was something akin to 'the bandage' or snakes.  I tell 
people the same thing, 4 bobbins, cross, twist.  But the evidence of their 
eyes is the lace I'm working on, usually either the altar cloth, which 
actually is Torchon, or the classic beginners edging of Bucks point, done in 
Aurifil 50, for the frill on a 'lace' cap.  Both are obviously lace, and 
there clearly is more to it that just cross twist.  But that is a good place 
to start.  Gilian Dye's beginners' bobbin lace manual starts with a plait, 
which is 2 pair and crosstwistcrosstwist.  A great place to start, but you 
only do a few inches and then  on to the equivalent of the snakes.  On the 
whole I think it is better to give the impression that lacemaking begins 
easily, and then moves on, rather than daunting people with the intricacies 
and giving the impression that's how one starts.  While it is possible, I 
know of no one who started in Binche.


Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where they say the snow will start this 
afternoon.  Hopefully after church.  Rain overnight?  Wonder what will 
happen.


Devon wrote:
At one point someone came to a lace class that we were having  and said
that she had been told that there were really only two stitches, cross  and
twist and that after you learned how to do them you could do anything. We 
were

a little stunned and the teacher didn't know how to proceed with this  idea.

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[lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-08 Thread Jane Partridge
For about the last century, most people have been making lace as a hobby 
rather than to earn a living, and have had some choice as to what lace 
to start with - some, because frequently that choice is dictated by the 
teacher to start with. Some teachers throw their hands up in horror if 
you even suggest starting with something other than braid lace or 
Torchon - probably because they are not used to teaching the beginner 
skills to progress to anything else. Go back beyond that, though, and 
even at four or five years of age you would have been learning the lace 
of the town/region in which you lived. In some places, like Honiton, and 
I suspect on the continent, that is still the case, but children would 
have started off learning the more complex laces - they would probably 
never have learned anything else!


Some teachers like to make people think lace is difficult to learn in 
order to keep them coming to class, and not let them even think they 
could learn from books, DVDs or U-tube on their own. The first stage of 
learning to make lace is learning the self-confidence that tells you you 
can do it; after that, getting your hands to work the cross and twist 
movements, then to stop thinking about what you are doing and let your 
hands get on with the task - those are the difficult bits. Once that has 
clicked, then other than certain advanced techniques, the lace itself 
isn't all that complicated!



In message 893662BF2DDA426AB8F380939BCD0A61@Cecily, Lyn Bailey 
lynrbai...@desupernet.net writes

 While it is possible, I know of no one who started in Binche.



--
Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-08 Thread laceandbits
Lace is 'just' cross twist, in exactly the same way as knitting is 'just' knit 
and purl.  Why make things more complicated than you need to?

When you teach someone to knit you don't go sideways and immediately start 
tellling them that although knitting is 'just' knit and purl, of course it's 
not really because sometimes you use another needle and move the order of the 
stitches to do cables, or four needles and knit round and round,  or sometimes 
you do yo and k2tog to make holes for lace, and sometimes you knit short rows 
to do shaping and sometimes you only use a few of all the stitches at a time 
for entrelac, and sometimes you use more than one colour for fairisle.  
Need I go on?

Bobbin lace is just the same.  All you need for the solid areas are cloth 
stitch or half stitch worked from side to side, all you need for ground are 
half stitch or cloth stitch worked with pins at each set of stitches, all you 
need for plaits are half stitches.  The only bit that isn't are leaves and 
tallies, and many people avoid them like the plague anyway.  

As they learn they will see how the solid and the ground get joined, in the 
same way as 
knitters will learn rib and increasing and decreasing, or holes or cables, as 
they need to.

No one is going to sit at a have-a-go pillow, learn cloth and half stitch and 
immediately think they can tackle a Bucks fan.  But on the other hand if you 
start describing the learning curve between the have-a-go and the fan, all but 
the most determined will be put off before they even start.

My vote is for Bobbin lace is just cloth stitch and half stitch.  You can do 
them now.  In a class, or from a book, you'll learn how to use them. 

Jacquie in Lincolnshire


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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-08 Thread laceandbits
Jane said
Go back beyond that, though, and even at four or five years of age you would 
have been learning the lace of the town/region in which you lived

No need to go back in time, just visit Camariñas in Spain, (and very probably 
other towns on the continent as well,) where lace is valued as an important 
part of their heritage,  and you can see children of 5, 6 and 7 working on 
complex guipure laces with very little help. Working fast at that, and chatting 
away to each other in exactly the same way they see their older sisters, 
mothers, grandmothers and aunts doing.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire




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From Jane Partridge jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk 
Date: 08/12/2013  14:42  (GMT+00:00) 
To lace@arachne.com 
Subject [lace] Demonstrating 
 
For about the last century, most people have been making lace as a hobby 
rather than to earn a living, and have had some choice as to what lace 
to start with - some, because frequently that choice is dictated by the 
teacher to start with. Some teachers throw their hands up in horror if 
you even suggest starting with something other than braid lace or 
Torchon - probably because they are not used to teaching the beginner 
skills to progress to anything else. Go back beyond that, though, and 
even at four or five years of age you would have been learning the lace 
of the town/region in which you lived. In some places, like Honiton, and 
I suspect on the continent, that is still the case, but children would 
have started off learning the more complex laces - they would probably 
never have learned anything else!

Some teachers like to make people think lace is difficult to learn in 
order to keep them coming to class, and not let them even think they 
could learn from books, DVDs or U-tube on their own. The first stage of 
learning to make lace is learning the self-confidence that tells you you 
can do it; after that, getting your hands to work the cross and twist 
movements, then to stop thinking about what you are doing and let your 
hands get on with the task - those are the difficult bits. Once that has 
clicked, then other than certain advanced techniques, the lace itself 
isn't all that complicated!


In message 893662BF2DDA426AB8F380939BCD0A61@Cecily, Lyn Bailey 
lynrbai...@desupernet.net writes
  While it is possible, I know of no one who started in Binche.


-- 
Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-08 Thread Elizabeth Kurella
Does anyone remember the spectacular fashion show the Puerto Rico lacemakers 
held at the castle by the sea during their IOLI convention many years ago?  
bBeautiful laces newly made for baptismal dresses, communition dresses, 
weddings, quinceaneras and just for nice.

Handmade lace still was obviously a part of their lives.

EMK


On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:16 AM, laceandbits laceandb...@aol.com wrote:

 Jane said
 Go back beyond that, though, and even at four or five years of age you would 
 have been learning the lace of the town/region in which you lived
 
 No need to go back in time, just visit Camariñas in Spain, (and very probably 
 other towns on the continent as well,) where lace is valued as an important 
 part of their heritage,  and you can see children of 5, 6 and 7 working on 
 complex guipure laces with very little help. Working fast at that, and 
 chatting away to each other in exactly the same way they see their older 
 sisters, mothers, grandmothers and aunts doing.
 
 Jacquie in Lincolnshire
 
 
 
 
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 From Jane Partridge jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk 
 Date: 08/12/2013  14:42  (GMT+00:00) 
 To lace@arachne.com 
 Subject [lace] Demonstrating 
 
 For about the last century, most people have been making lace as a hobby 
 rather than to earn a living, and have had some choice as to what lace 
 to start with - some, because frequently that choice is dictated by the 
 teacher to start with. Some teachers throw their hands up in horror if 
 you even suggest starting with something other than braid lace or 
 Torchon - probably because they are not used to teaching the beginner 
 skills to progress to anything else. Go back beyond that, though, and 
 even at four or five years of age you would have been learning the lace 
 of the town/region in which you lived. In some places, like Honiton, and 
 I suspect on the continent, that is still the case, but children would 
 have started off learning the more complex laces - they would probably 
 never have learned anything else!
 
 Some teachers like to make people think lace is difficult to learn in 
 order to keep them coming to class, and not let them even think they 
 could learn from books, DVDs or U-tube on their own. The first stage of 
 learning to make lace is learning the self-confidence that tells you you 
 can do it; after that, getting your hands to work the cross and twist 
 movements, then to stop thinking about what you are doing and let your 
 hands get on with the task - those are the difficult bits. Once that has 
 clicked, then other than certain advanced techniques, the lace itself 
 isn't all that complicated!
 
 
 In message 893662BF2DDA426AB8F380939BCD0A61@Cecily, Lyn Bailey 
 lynrbai...@desupernet.net writes
   While it is possible, I know of no one who started in Binche.
 
 
 -- 
 Jane Partridge
 
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[lace] demonstrating

2013-12-07 Thread Lorelei Halley
To draw in younger people you might also prepare a little card with links so
some good lace sites and online discussion groups, as a handout.  There are A
LOT!
Lorelei

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-06 Thread nestalace . carol
Hi Spiders All,

If the demo was in England, I could well have been the person who told the lady 
that there were two actions in bobbin lace!   Once you have mastered the cross 
and the twist, those are the movements you make, with variations on numbers and 
twists etc.    I also tell people that if they can count to four, they can make 
lace!

I usually have several of my pillows with wip, with a tempting array of 
bobbins, as well as other 'sparkly' equipment, but also a couple of 'Have-A-Go' 
pillows -- usually one with the snake on, and the other a Torchon ground, so 
that they can see the more advanced laces, but also the beginner patterns, so 
they don't feel intimidated at the thought of starting to make lace.   

Carol - in North Noroflk UK.
'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in  our day.'
 
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At one point someone came to a lace class that we were having  and said 
that she had been told that there were really only two stitches, cross  and 
twist and that after you learned how to do them you could do anything. We  were 
a little stunned and the teacher didn't know how to proceed with this  idea.
Devon

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-06 Thread Bev Walker
Hello Carol and everyone

I agree with Carol and others, it really is useful at a demo to be able to
show the range of bobbin lace. I would take a simple project to work on, if
not the have-a-go pillow itself, as well as another pillow with something
more elaborate on it for comparison (also useful to work on during a lull).
A piece of clear vinyl is tucked around it when one's attention is diverted
-  in case of helpful passersby.

If carrying a lot of 'stuff'  would be a problem, I take just one pillow,
appropriate to the setting and particular crowd, and visuals (e.g. a photo
album, lace magazines, finished examples) so that visitors could see at a
glance other aspects of bobbin lace. I'm sure others do this too :)

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:06 AM, nestalace.ca...@btinternet.com wrote:

 ...Once you have mastered the cross and the twist, those are the movements
 you make, with variations on numbers and twists etc. ...
 I usually have several of my pillows with wip, so that they can see
 the more advanced laces


-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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[lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-05 Thread Jane Partridge
I agree with Robin - I usually don't take a practice pillow, either - I 
let them do a few stitches of whatever I'm doing, after all, cross and 
twist are the same regardless of whether it is a bit of tape you are 
making or something that looks like (and is) lace!  If a newspaper 
photographer can do a square of roseground, there is no reason why we 
have to confine people to cloth stitch. I take my lace pillow to work on 
when I'm travelling by train - with a table seat, I sometimes get 
company, and have had a brother and sister (aged about 7 and 9) do 
several different stitches by the time they reached their stop... by 
which time the Senior Conductress was interested, too!


I also explain the number of pairs in relation to knitting (if they 
knit) - that we are only making one stitch at a time, using two pairs of 
bobbins - and compare the number of stitches to the fact that they 
aren't daunted by the huge number of stitches on their needles if they 
are working the back of a jumper!



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 jeria...@aol.com wrote:
A large fully-dressed  pillow with many bobbins and dense
pattern is discouraging and elicits the usual  I don't have the patience!.


This is not necessarily so.  I've started using a wider torchon pattern 
(50+ pairs) for demonstration and I've had great reactions.


--
Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-05 Thread Jeriames
 jeria...@aol.com wrote:
A large fully-dressed   pillow with many bobbins and dense
pattern is discouraging and elicits  the usual  I don't have the 
patience!.
 
Speed reading slays my intent every so often.  The word dense is  
important in above sentence.  
 
I have seen lacemakers with so many pins on a pillow that untrained eyes  
cannot see the lace developing in the area being worked.  Yes,  the finished 
lace is emerging from the back, but it really is not the best way  to show 
the progression of lacemaking if there is only one lacemaker  present.  I am 
also thinking of those laces where bobbins require  stacking.  Stacks of 
bobbins can be intimidating!   Worse still, is the grey-haired demonstrator who 
tells her audience it has  taken a lifetime to learn to make lace and she 
has been working on this piece  for X number of months or years..  You've 
lost a possible young lacemaker  by then. 
 
We live in a time when almost instant gratification is  expected. 
 
If the public comes first to a lace with open areas, like  Torchon, the 
concept is easier to grasp.   If that first lacemaker  explains the equipment 
on her pillow and how bobbin lace is made,  then hands them off to the person 
working something more challenging, that  would be the way I'd prefer being 
introduced to bobbin lace if I knew  nothing about the subject. 
 
We should not expect a person rushing through a demonstration area to  
grasp intricacies of the subject we love immediately.  We are  taught the A B 
C's, before we put the letters together and learn to  read.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-05 Thread Lin Hudren
Since we older lacers using paper books and such are geared to that, it is
not surprising the younger generation has no interest.  I found if i can
trust my Xyboard not to fall, i have my pattern and pricking on it.
 Younger people wonder how you can use a tablet with a pillow so wander
over and check it out.  Even using a cell phone on some holder can make
people look.  if you have a really loud looking color cover, that draws
the eye too.

I wear a very simplistic pioneer outfit including the bed cap and wire
rimmed reading glasses perched on the end of my nose.  if nothing else, you
get a smile but it is something that draws people to you.  my table is
a camera tripod with a plexiglas top where i put jar opener/shelf liner on
so the pillow will stay put when i tilt it and i elevate the pillow to work
on while standing.  i have one small one and one larger one which i only
use for demos.  i can use a medium sized pillow and have room on the
plexiglas to hold a light/magnifier/tablet.  this can get uncomfortable so
i have my piano stool at hand to sit.  if you have one of those folding
stools that are higher, that is a bit easier but also a bit harder on the
back than regular height but not as bad as standing.  anything unique and
eye catching will bring people close to see.  Happy lacing.



Hugs, Lin and the Mali
*Mistakes are beautiful.  Mistakes are part of the fun.*

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-05 Thread Dmt11home
I am of two minds on the whole demonstration idea. On the one  hand a 
simple piece like the snake or fish that a visitor could work is a nice  idea. 
On 
the other hand, I showed a photo of my daughter working the snake to  her 
grade school teacher, and the teacher, puzzled, said, where is the lace. 
A pillow with a clearly identifiable looking lace and lots of  bobbins 
draws people to the demonstration, along with photographers looking for  a good 
photo op. As Jeri says, one solution is multiple  demonstrators.
I guess another question is, what is the message we are trying  to send and 
who are the people we are trying to influence. Are we looking to  introduce 
bobbin lace technique to children who are looking for a new way to  make 
friendship bracelets and lanyards, for which much simpler techniques  perform 
quite adequately. Or are we looking to introduce it to people who want  to 
take on a difficult and unusual craft that no one else does? A frequent  
source of inductees to lace are people who do historical re-enactments and  
really like a difficult and authentic craft. I sometimes wonder if it is a good 
 
idea to make lacemaking look simple, because then we are drawing in a  
group of people who are looking for something simple to do and we really can't  
deliver on that promise. 
At one point someone came to a lace class that we were having  and said 
that she had been told that there were really only two stitches, cross  and 
twist and that after you learned how to do them you could do anything. We  were 
a little stunned and the teacher didn't know how to proceed with this  idea.
Devon

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2013-12-05 Thread Jane Partridge
In effect, though, she was right. Once you know which move is cross, and 
which is twist, then by using combinations of those two moves you can do 
anything - even a tally or picot. Once you know the sound that letters 
of the alphabet make, you can start to put them together to make words - 
same principle. You might know the sounds, but it takes a little bit 
longer to learn to speak the language... same goes for lace, you know 
the moves, but you need to be able to read or interpret the pattern to 
know where to make them. As to teaching from there - start with the 
basic two moves - ie, half stitch, then gradually progress to cloth and 
ground stitches. Simples! Lace isn't as complicated as some 
demonstrators try to make out - more to make themselves seem superior 
because they can do it - whereas the aim of the demonstration is to show 
that most people, if they try, can make lace. Not everyone will take to 
it, though, so we shouldn't expect them to.


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At one point someone came to a lace class that we were having  and said
that she had been told that there were really only two stitches, cross  and
twist and that after you learned how to do them you could do anything. 
We  were

a little stunned and the teacher didn't know how to proceed with this  idea.
Devon


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Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating strategy - Gossip Pillows

2013-12-04 Thread Jeriames
For our Newbies:  It has been a few years since we discussed Gossip  
Pillows on Arachne.  Suggest you go to archives and search Gossip  Pillows.  
Two 
of my memos are near the top, and describe, with directions  on where to 
see a photo on an IOLI Bulletin cover.
 
http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html
 
It would be nice if someone would put a photo on our  Arachne flickr.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

 
In a message dated 12/3/2013 9:47:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
linhud...@gmail.com writes:

i  frequently set up a card table at the library and give 4 people at a  
time
the opportunity.  i have 2 pieces of square thick foam covered  totally in
cloth for triers and then carry 7 cookie pillows for 2  more.  light weight
and  small. 

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating strategy - Gossip Pillows

2013-12-04 Thread Jill Hawkins
A couple of years ago at a demonstration, one of the lace makers brought a 24
cookie pillow for beginners to make a snake.  The enterprising lace maker had
put 4 prickings on the pillow (along each point of the compass: north, south,
east and west) and had 4 children work at the same time.  It was an extremely
good use of limited demonstration space and the children loved being able to
keep an eye on what the others were doing and who was working the fastest.

While this is not exactly a gossip pillow, it is a good strategy for
demonstrating - with adults as well as children.

Jill in Milton Keynes, Bucks

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[lace] Demonstrating strategy

2013-12-03 Thread Lyn Bailey
I agree that a few bobbins, not uncountable numbers, is a much less 
intimidating picture.  Also a relatively clear pillow.  Not a lot of pin 
cushions or tools around.  Few tools or other paraphernalia in view.


I am demonstrating most Sundays at church so people have a better 
understanding of what is going into making the altar cloth for the side 
altar.  I use everything on the pillow that I use at home, except the lamp, 
as 40/2 linen doesn't really need a lamp in full daylight.  This is so they 
appreciate the labor and concentration involved.  I also put a colored 
thread in loosely every Sunday so they can see the progress.  That's where 
I was last Sunday, and this is where I am today, and I work at least an hour 
every morning.  Remember that most Americans have never seen bobbin lace.


If I were doing a demo to invite people to try it, I would do a much simpler 
lace with many fewer pairs, although 40/2 is a good thread to use.  I would 
clear my pillow of all possible tools and extras, as they make the project 
look more complicated.  The idea is to make it look like anyone can do it. 
Part of my 'patter' is the two steps of any stitch, and when I talk about 
moving #2 bobbin over #3, I stop to say,  Now you could do that, couldn't 
you?  And they always nod yes.  Then on to the twist, and and a similar 
phrase, with a similar response.  This shows them that they can do it.


Demonstrating is teaching and theater, and anything you can do to set the 
stage for the point you want to prove is a good thing to consider.


Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA where we are having appropriate weather 
which is more pleasant than usual.  Right now no rain, temperatures always 
above freezing.  Good time to see Christmas lights at night. 


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RE: [lace] Demonstrating strategy

2013-12-03 Thread Jenny Brandis
...Demonstrating is teaching and theater, and anything you can do to set the
stage for the point you want to prove is a good thing to consider

Love this statement! It is so true. 
I have done the wide lace with 126 bobbins (see
http://www.brandis.com.au/craft/Lace/201305.html and it is the one with
Merlin the cat) at the local markets and got lots of admiring comments but
it is when I demo on the 28 pair length (see
http://www.brandis.com.au/craft/Lace/201305.html and it is the blue one)
that I get people willing to have a go. 

Now reading the message about less is best I am going to do a tape lace
animal or three (probably snake or lizard) for display and alternate between
the 'easy' animal and the blue length as I need to do 3 more metres of the
blue. 

Regards

Jenny Brandis
Kununurra, Western Australia
je...@brandis.com.au 
www.brandis.com.au 

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating strategy

2013-12-03 Thread Lin Hudren
I set up the Springett snake because it gives an alternative color down the
middle and can be made rapidly even for new triers.  it lets them follow
the path of the bobbins.  it has few bobbins and i use a metallic thread in
the middle to give glitter to it which also is appealing.  i pre-wind
bobbins in sets and take at least 3 pillows with me so hopefully they will
take the time to work on it and finish it to take home.  i also make sure i
have a bead for the eye.  it is fast and is lovely.  if you have time
beforehand, you can make up some in the colors you take as kits and let
them work until they have to go and then just give them the one you made
in those colors and another trier can finish it up and take home the one
made by two people.  i like to send them home with something because then
they admire it and think i can do this.  a list of supplies needed to get
started (only for this simple pattern as supplies can get overwhelming if
they see all the will eventually use as they develop can also be handed
out.  you also can have 3-4 triers doing it at the same time.

i frequently set up a card table at the library and give 4 people at a time
the opportunity.  i have 2 pieces of square thick foam covered totally in
cloth for triers and then carry 7 cookie pillows for 2 more.  light weight
and small.  my prickings are also prepared and pricked ahead.  i carry at
least 10 with me when i go to a demonstration.  i use a tripod table which
i can elevate for them to stand and see me work but also lower so i can sit
down on my piano stool which has a back and glass claw feet.  if i don't
carry my cup of tea, i can carry all of the above in one trip.  i haven't
made a cup holder to drape over my shoulder yet.  but the tripod has a cup
holder and if i can keep it upright over my shoulder, i can put my
spill-proof cup in it.  that tho is iffy.

one other thought is to start the snake and go until you have the bead for
the eye in place and let them go from there.  this pattern also lends
itself to roller pillows that have narrow rollers.  i make the same pattern
so i have a supply of finished ones for the next demo.

Hugs, Lin and the Mali
*Mistakes are beautiful.  Mistakes are part of the fun.*

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[lace] Demonstrating at South Cave

2012-06-12 Thread Maureen Bromley
Good morning all

I am pleased to tell you that on Sunday 17th June 2012, 10.a.m until 4.p.m.
several ladies representing Wolds Lacemakers will be demonstrating their
lacemaking skills and will also have a display of various types of lace set up
at Olde English Furniture, Sands Lane, South Cave, East Yorkshire, HU15 2JQ UK
in aid of 65 Roses (cystic fibrosis).   We will also have a couple of 'have a
go' lace pillows on the stand with Christine Springett's snakes set up.
If  you are in the area on that day, please do come and see us and say hello.
We would love to see you.  We hope that we have as much interest as we had at
our recent demonstration for the Diamond Jubilee.

Maureen Bromley
Wolds Lacemakers
E Yorks UK

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[lace] Demonstrating for the Diamond Jubilee

2012-05-29 Thread Maureen Bromley

Good morning

I am pleased to advise everyone that Wolds Lacemakers, which is based in the 
UK,  East Yorkshire/Lincolnshire  area,  will be demonstrating our 
lacemaking skills at Ferens Art Gallery, Hull from 12 noon to 4.p.m. as part 
of the Diamond Jubilee celebrations that are being organised by Hull City 
Council.  We aim to further promote lace and lacemaking within the area. 
We will also have on display a few photographs showing the lace jabot and 
cuffs which a few of us made, at her request,  for the current High Sheriff 
of Yorkshire.   If anyone wants any further information, please do not 
hesitate to contact me.


Regards

Maureen Bromley (Wolds Lacemakers) 


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[lace] Demonstrating at Christmas Tree festival

2011-12-08 Thread Gray, Alison J
Hi

It's nearly 2 weeks since I did my demonstration at our church's Christmas
Tree festival and I thought I ought to let you all know how I got on.  It was
an interesting experience.  I was there all day on Saturday, apart from going
home for lunch and  for about 4 hours on Sunday afternoon.

I certainly had a few good conversations, and explained how lace is made to
several people, including a friend's husband, who seemed to understand the
process.  A couple of small boys were fascinated by the spiders I was doing
and made a point of counting the legs on all of them.  And one small girl
wanted to have a go and did several stitches of ground for me.  I doubt very
much whether anyone will want to start making lace as a result of this, but
you never know.

The good thing was that I was making bookmarks to sell for our building
project and I sold the 5 I had already made plus the one I made on Saturday
and the one I started on Sunday.

I was using one of my own designs.  But I was wondering  whether anyone knows
whether it would be violating copyright if I were to use someone else's design
and sell it for charity?

Alison in cold and windy Colchester, Essex, UK

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[lace] Demonstrating at Christmas Tree festival

2011-12-08 Thread Jane Partridge
In message 
c546551ff307cf428001639e689f106f04a03...@mbx2-node2.essex.ac.uk, 
Gray, Alison J ag...@essex.ac.uk writes

I was using one of my own designs.  But I was wondering  whether anyone knows
whether it would be violating copyright if I were to use someone else's design
and sell it for charity?


Technically, yes, you would be. It is the same reason why dressmakers 
are supposed to buy a fresh copy of a commercial pattern for each 
garment they make from it.


However, you will probably find that most lace designers are happy for 
you to raise funds for charity from their designs, all you need do is 
ask - I had a lovely letter (giving permission) from Christine Springett 
when I asked if I could use her snake pattern for this purpose (raising 
funds in that case for our local hospice - that was in 1991, when I 
designed my Giles the Dog bookmark for the same fete). You, Alison, are 
welcome to use any of my patterns which have been published (in Lace, 
Canadian Lacemaker Gazette and the Penguin Pattern Book) - but I would 
appreciate it if anyone else uses any of my patterns for fundraising or 
adaptation, etc, they ask first and email me a picture of the results 
afterwards!

--
Jane Partridge

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[lace] demonstrating lace

2011-10-21 Thread Jane Partridge
Don't give up - enquire as to next year, or the year after - museums 
often book schedules 18 months to three years in advance, so that they 
can get their publicity material printed and distributed in time. Write 
to them with your proposal, and suggest that you could arrange to call 
in if they wished to discuss things further.


Some years ago I spent some very nice Friday afternoons demonstrating 
lacemaking at our local castle (which is also the town's museum) - in 
the courtyard, but retreating to the Great Hall on wet days. It has 
meant that I have had invites back when they have had craft events, and 
also led to photos in the local paper. (I have a photograph of one of 
our (male) newspaper photographers having a go, too!). I was working on 
my Hearts  Flowers Snowflake at the time, and got quite a bit done on 
those Friday afternoons, the challenge was to get past the slightly 
complex bits before being besieged by visitors! On one occasion, due to 
the speaking model in one of the displays, one young lad was too 
frightened to go into the castle at all - so he stayed making lace with 
me whilst the rest of the family went round the castle - I was in the 
courtyard, and they could see and wave to him from the battlements!


In message 20111021013244.I6W50.106231.root@cdptpa-web28-z02, 
hottl...@neo.rr.com writes
Hello All!  Looks like everyone was thinking about how to promote 
lace/lacemaking today--Bravo!  Well I took the plunge  contacted 
Flagler Museum.  There is a lovely place to make lace on the south 
porch in the shade of the bougainvillea.  Their schedule is already 
booked for the season.  Oh well, I tried.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, 
Erie, PA USA


--
Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] demonstrating lace

2011-10-21 Thread Lyn Bailey

Oh well, I tried.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA 

Dear Susan, et al,

Don't give up yet.  The other question is whether there is a place in public 
where you can make lace.  Is there a place at the Flagler that has benches? 
I can virtually guarantee there are no signs saying, NO LACE MAKING 
ALLOWED.   Anything stopping you from making lace at the local mall where 
people can sit?  Preferably close to the craft or yarn shop.  Can you bring 
your lace to the local knitting store that has knitting in the evening.  At 
the local crafts fair, are you allowed to sit and make lace without paying 
for a booth if you're not selling anything?  You do have a sheet of paper to 
give out listing places where interested people can get more information, 
but nothing for sale, certainly no financial benefit to you.  If you list 
suppliers, would that change anything?  Is there an art school nearby where 
they have textiles as a subject, so to speak, and may you make lace in the 
lobby around lunchtime?   Is the local library open to you sitting and 
making lace?


We like to take cruises.  You get spoiled rotten for really a reasonable 
amount of money if you do your research properly.  When I was working, the 
days at sea was when I did a lot of my lacemaking.  Doing that in a public 
place gets all sorts of people to stop and ask questions.  That's really all 
you want.  In the Carribean, there's a lot to be said for lacemaking by the 
pool, in your chaise.  I never go into the pool.


I have a picture of someone taking a picture of me making lace on the 
Commons in Bar Harbor, Maine, USA, which is a tourist town.  Now that 
cruises stop at Bar Harbor, it is even more busy.


Demonstrating at events is an excellent idea, but generally they come around 
only once a year.  With some thought, there are plenty of other places, 
especially when the weather is nice, where you can simply sit down and start 
making lace.  Bring your own chair, if necessary.  When it gets cold, go 
indoors to public places.  Not the tired old mall, but the new vibrant one. 
Our local mall is large, with spokes going out from a central hub, where 
sometimes there are seats.  Perhaps your local quilting shop is amenable, if 
you don't take up too much space.


There are two approaches to indoor events, or even outdoor ones where you're 
not sitting at a park bench or some other seating area.  Just go, plunk 
yourself down so as to be very visible, but out of the way of foot traffic 
paths, and see what happens.  Or go to the municipal office, or the safety 
office, and ask permission.  I suspect either would work.  This is for the 
US, where, as far as I know, there is virtually no insurance considerations 
to be met.  There may be zoning ordinances and the like on the books, but 
the real question is whether they will be enforced against a respectable 
looking woman sitting down and doing what is clearly akin to her knitting. 
At the very worst, someone official will tell you that you may not sit here. 
Remember, the US is also the place where, to my knowledge at least, there is 
no law forbidding one to give out others' email addresses.  It might not be 
a good or considerate idea, but there is no law against it.  Our copyright 
infringement laws also seem to be a bit more lax, and I know of no library 
that pays a fee for the copying of book pages, although I may be wrong 
there, but I don't think so.


It might get a trifle more tricky if you've got a have-a-go pillow, because 
that would carve out a larger space than just you and your lace table, but 
with thought it should still be possible in many places.  That's how I got 
hooked at the Newnan, Georgia, US, craft show in 1979.  The head lady was 
Betty, and she was English, but lived in Atlanta.  I'd still like to be able 
to thank her.  Does anyone know the lady, and what has happened to her?


Some places for the summer include, but certainly are not limited to: the 
outdoor concerts on the lawn in the park, where people gather before the 
concert to get a good place.  In Central Park, in New York City, near  the 
south east entrance, where there are people going to and fro all day.  Ditto 
for Union Park near 14th street, where there is a farmer's market on 
Saturdays..  Or outside the Metropolitan Museum of Art, especially on a 
weekend.  There are vendors out there, and I don't know if a permit is 
required, nor do I recall if there are benches, but it's worth a thought. 
Outside Central Market in my own Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where the tourists 
come in the summer, and you can sit outside for as long as you want, making 
lace.


Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where the weathermen got it wrong again, 
and we are in for a bright, sunny, beautiful fall day.


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Re: [lace] demonstrating lace/NY

2011-10-21 Thread Dmt11home
In a message dated 10/21/2011 9:16:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lynrbai...@desupernet.net writes:

Or  outside the Metropolitan Museum of Art, especially on a 
weekend.   There are vendors out there, and I don't know if a permit is 
required, nor  do I recall if there are benches, but it's worth a thought.  




Interesting question. What is the definition of loitering and  is it still 
illegal?
 
I recently read an article about the food vendors. It appears  that the hot 
dog vendor pays $250,000 a year to have his spot in front of the  
Metropolitan Museum of Art.  It is paid to the city because they own the  side 
walk. 
It is one of the most valuable places to sell hot dogs in New York.  
However, there is an old law that veterans can sell on public sidewalks for  
free. 
So a rival hot dog vendor has gone into partnership with a veteran whose  
role is to nap on a chair by the hot dog stand and handle the paperwork. 
This  is causing a lot of discord because those people who have paid for the 
spot feel  that the value of their spot has been decreased. Do we have any 
veterans on the  list? 
I am not sure that the issue of whether one may legally  demonstrate lace 
on a bench outside the Metropolitan Museum is likely to  come up, though, 
because a very interesting event involving young people in  the fashion 
industry called Culture Push was looking for a lace  demonstration, and I 
couldn't 
find anyone who would take a lace pillow into New  York for it. It was 
billed as collaborative skill sharing which meant unpaid,  but still...  It 
would have been a good event, but we couldn't figure out  how to make it work. 
I even implored people at the regional meeting of my region  at the 
convention to go, but there was not much enthusiasm. In fact, almost  
immediately 
the conversation shifted to the idea of teaching elementary age  children in 
scouts, and hoping that they would come back to it as adults. I  realize that 
many of us, myself included, are not up for exciting city driving,  
expensive parking, and hauling a ton of goods to a demo in the city. I really  
can 
only do it if my husband drives and hauls the equipment. Perhaps we need a  
lace swat team, ready to drop in, like the fire jumpers, to difficult 
locations  in need of a lace demo. 
The Church of Craft , is dedicated to the idea that craft is  good for the 
soul. I went to one of the monthly events in Brooklyn in which  young people 
just gather and do crafts together and there was some interest  among the 
young people who were there in it. I met a young man who knits  platypuses, 
who was quite interested. There is another entity, Etsy, which has  evenings 
in which people get together to do crafts. In fact, at one time they  were 
looking for people to lead others in a craft activity that might even be  
videotaped and beamed to all the other Etsys. This would be good if someone 
were  interested in doing it. It has to be short and it has to be something 
that  people arriving at different times can do. The fish would be an obvious  
choice.
Why don't you look up these places if you want to do a demo  that would be 
seen by young people. Of course these events tend to be  in cities, and we 
tend to be in suburbs, at least in my particular metro  area. But then, the 
other problem is what do we do if they want to learn?  Because there is no 
lace instruction in New York, and most of the young people  do not have cars, 
and are unable to travel to New Jersey for lace instruction,  which, while 
it exists, is not that easy to access. There are several  textile/craft 
schools in New York that would probably be happy to add lace to a  curriculum 
that already has felting and shibori on it, but there is no one to  teach at 
these places. (Anyone who has ever tried to learn anything from me will  
confirm that I am a lousy teacher.) Also, a curriculum that includes design and 
 
non-traditional fibers would be more interesting than a more traditional 
one.  But designing such a curriculum would take time and skill.
Devon

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Re: [lace] demonstrating lace/NY

2011-10-21 Thread Lyn Bailey
Without going to my handy dandy crimes code, the crime of loitering is
something like being in one place in public too long, without a legitimate
purpose.  It is used when they want you to go away, and whatever you are doing
doesn’t qualify as another offense.  So respectable people who stand on a
corner and just stand there are not approached by the cops, but if you’re
standing on a corner, in a nice part of town, but you are unkempt, unwashed,
and don’t blend into the neighborhood, AND refuse to leave after being told
forcibly to leave, they might arrest you arrest you for loitering.  Regulation
of vendors is not my area of expertise, but I suspect the cops, who are the
doorkeepers of the loitering law, would not take an adverse position to
someone sitting out of the major foot traffic, merely sitting making lace, who
clearly is not selling anything, nor creating a disturbance, does not look
unsavory.

You bring up another issue for demonstrating.  Lugging equipment.  Since I am
used to lacemaking whilst traveling, my cookie pillows are polystyrene, and I
have pared my equipment down to exactly what I will need.  Everything else
stays home.  I have a stool that folds and weighs 2 pounds (1 kilo) and yet
holds my Queenly weight.  If my weight were at goal I’d use the one that
weighs a bit more than a pound.  My lace table folds down and down.  It is an
InStand, which is the gizmo used by court reporters to hold their machines,
(instand.com and amazon.com, usual disclaimers.)  If I were 10 years younger,
I could carry all that from my home in Lancaster, on the train, on the subway,
to the Museum, no problem.  As it is, with issues of walking and carrying
things, I’d probably put it all in a wheeled carryon, and do it that way.
Still not heavy.   Devon, if there’s a nice sunny day left this year, call
me and if I’m available, I’ll take the train (3 hours each way) and meet
you at the entrance to the Met.  Bring a chair.  We can test this out and
report to the list.  But you provide lunch.

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where the sun has gone away, and maybe the
weatherman was right after all.
From: dmt11h...@aol.com
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To: lynrbai...@desupernet.net
Cc: lace@arachne.com
Subject: Re: [lace] demonstrating lace/NY

In a message dated 10/21/2011 9:16:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lynrbai...@desupernet.net writes:
  Or outside the Metropolitan Museum of Art, especially on a
  weekend.  There are vendors out there, and I don't know if a permit is
  required, nor do I recall if there are benches, but it's worth a thought.


Interesting question. What is the definition of loitering and is it still
illegal?

I recently read an article about the food vendors. It appears that the hot dog
vendor pays $250,000 a year to have his spot in front of the Metropolitan
Museum of Art.  It is paid to the city because they own the side walk. It is
one of the most valuable places to sell hot dogs in New York. However, there
is an old law that veterans can sell on public sidewalks for free. So a rival
hot dog vendor has gone into partnership with a veteran whose role is to nap
on a chair by the hot dog stand and handle the paperwork. This is causing a
lot of discord because those people who have paid for the spot feel that the
value of their spot has been decreased. Do we have any veterans on the list?
I am not sure that the issue of whether one may legally demonstrate lace on a
bench outside the Metropolitan Museum is likely to come up, though, because a
very interesting event involving young people in the fashion industry called
Culture Push was looking for a lace demonstration, and I couldn't find anyone
who would take a lace pillow into New York for it. It was billed as
collaborative skill sharing which meant unpaid, but still...  It would have
been a good event, but we couldn't figure out how to make it work. I even
implored people at the regional meeting of my region at the convention to go,
but there was not much enthusiasm. In fact, almost immediately the
conversation shifted to the idea of teaching elementary age children in
scouts, and hoping that they would come back to it as adults. I realize that
many of us, myself included, are not up for exciting city driving, expensive
parking, and hauling a ton of goods to a demo in the city. I really can only
do it if my husband drives and hauls the equipment. Perhaps we need a lace
swat team, ready to drop in, like the fire jumpers, to difficult locations in
need of a lace demo.
The Church of Craft , is dedicated to the idea that craft is good for the
soul. I went to one of the monthly events in Brooklyn in which young people
just gather and do crafts together and there was some interest among the young
people who were there in it. I met a young man who knits platypuses, who was
quite interested. There is another entity, Etsy, which has evenings in which
people get together to do crafts. In fact, at one time they were

[lace] demonstrating lace

2011-10-21 Thread L.Snyder

Another place without quite as much traffic... the car dealership! LOL
My car needed some work so I brought my tatting and sat in the waiting 
room, in the sun, and tatted!

Time passes a lot quicker that way, as well :_)
Lauren in WA

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RE: [lace] demonstrating lace

2011-10-21 Thread Noelene Lafferty
I've done tatting at the dentist
And the doctors, in the queue.
Now I'll add tatting in my pocket
When the car is serviced, too

...Noelene in Cooma
nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au

Another place without quite as much traffic... the car dealership! LOL
My car needed some work so I brought my tatting and sat in the waiting 
room, in the sun, and tatted!
Time passes a lot quicker that way, as well :_)
Lauren in WA

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[lace] demonstrating lace

2011-10-20 Thread hottleco
Hello All!  Looks like everyone was thinking about how to promote 
lace/lacemaking today--Bravo!  Well I took the plunge  contacted Flagler 
Museum.  There is a lovely place to make lace on the south porch in the shade 
of the bougainvillea.  Their schedule is already booked for the season.  Oh 
well, I tried.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA

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[lace] Demonstrating Bobbinlace at county fair

2011-08-10 Thread Tatman
Had a good three days of demonstrating bobbin lace at the community building
where the handicrafts exhibits were located at our local fair.  I am working
on Bucks Point Lace in black thread.  I know.not traditional for Bucks,
but I like black lace!  I a using a Danish style roller pillow that I had
made and using midland spangled bobbins.  Below is a couple of videos of me
demonstrating bobbinlace:

http://youtu.be/niroI-RHV0k

-- 
Mark, aka Tatman
website: http://www.tat-man.net
blog: http://tat-man.net/blog
Magic Thread Shop: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatshop/tatshop.html
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[lace] Demonstrating at Lincoln Log Cabin

2010-05-20 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
That looks like a very soggy weekend, Mark. What an interesting place,
though.  Loved looking at the photos.

And your lace looks Very Nice, too.

Regards from Liz in Melbourne
lizl...@bigpond.com

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[lace] Demonstrating at Lincoln Log Cabin

2010-05-19 Thread Mark Myers
Rain, Rain, Go Away!!!
That is what it did all last weekend while my wife and I demonstrated at the
Lincoln Log Cabin near Lerna, IL.  YUCKY!! MESSY!!  Saturday wasn't too bad.
There were some breaks in the spitting rain.  No real downpours.  And we did
have some visitors.  We were set up at the Thomas and Sara Lincoln's log
cabin grounds.  There was even an encampment down the hill from the Sargent
farm. It got flooded on Sunday so much you could canoe your way out.   I
never made it down there to see it.  Too busy trying to stay dry!  It was
great to see the River City Tatting club and other friends.  They
demonstrated tatting of course while I demonstrated bobbinlace in the tent
next to them.
Sunday was a total mess and they thought about cancelling, but we
demonstrators are tough and we just closed our tents and gathered in the
cabin and had a good time working on our projects, chatting by a fire.
Occasionally there would be some brave visitors coming out in this rain.

Below is a slideshow of pictures I took of the event we did at Lincoln Log
Cabin near Lerna, IL.  ENJOY!

http://tat-man.net/LLC_5-2010.html

Here is a picture of me demonstrating bobbin lace in the Lincoln Cabin on
the rainy Sunday this past weekend.  I was working on a Bruges Flower Lace
doily.  It is something showy for the public.  Doesn't require too many
bobbins and gets the work done fast so the public can see progress.

http://tinyurl.com/2ewogsk

Here is a close up of the lace I was working on

http://tinyurl.com/23sqzqy

-- 
Mark, aka Tatman
website: http://www.tat-man.net
blog: http://tat-man.net/blog
Magic Thread Shop: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatshop/tatshop.html
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[lace] Demonstrating/television

2006-08-07 Thread Janice Blair
On Saturday and Sunday six of the Land of Lincoln Lacemakers in Illinois did a 
demonstration on behalf of the Illinois Arts Council.  We had a great time, 
made even more pleasant in that we were paid to demonstrate, plus our meals, 
travel and hotel were paid for by the Arts Council.  Everything was so well 
organised even down to the large cooler containing bottled water by our canopy 
which was greatly appreciated as we worked in the sun and heat.  With six 
present, we were able to enjoy seeing the delights of Bishop Hill, a village 
that was originally a Swedish communal settlement, along with viewing the other 
exhibitors work and listening to the many folk singers that performed in the 
main stage area.  The lacemakers were required to speak on the Narrative stage 
and demonstrate on another stage whilst answering questions, plus we also had 
pillows set up for our time slot in the childrens area.  The talks were for a 
lot longer than we thought but our members put on a good
 show.
   
  Saturday was glorious weather but Sunday started with a thunderstorm.  Most 
of the other exhibitors set up their displays in various indoor venues but as 
soon as the rain had passed we set up our lace exhibits and sales table back in 
the park.  As there was little to see in the park we became the main attraction 
and a magnet for the many tv cameras that came by.  The Illinois Arts Council 
was making a documentary movie and Arachne, Sylvie Nyguen became our 
spokesperson and did a great job for the interview.  We were all hard pressed 
to keep quiet whilst she answered the very intelligent questions of the 
camerman.  He then came to each of us in turn and asked about our lace.  We 
were making a variety of laces on different types of pillows.  Arachne Diane 
Williams was working Ipswich lace on a bolster pillow.  I was doing a Jean 
Leader circular Beds rose design from her new booklet using lots of bobbins.  
Others were doing Russian, Torchon, yardage or tape laces We
 overheard a tv group from WTTW, the Chicago public broadcasting station, ask 
for use of his footage so we might see ourselves on their programming at some 
time in the future.
   
  After I got home I had a call from Diane to say that she had seen me featured 
on the CBS Channel 4 station from the Quad Cities.  I am out of that area so 
did not see it.  It seems they opened with a close up shot of a Beds design of 
mine which filled the tv screen and then showed Brenda Glenn and I working at 
our pillows.  If you want to see that design you will have to come to the IOLI 
convention in 2008!  I think Brenda and I were the only ones manning the table 
when the Channel 4 camerwoman came by.  I showed her my prize winning table 
ribbon, Ribbon du Vin, but she had packed her camera up by then.  The ribbon 
was closely filmed by the Arts Council guy but I am not sure if and when that 
footage will be seen.  We are all hoping that we are asked back again when the 
folk festival is being held in Illinois in 3 years time.  We exposed hundreds 
of people to lacemaking and never once had a visit from the tatting lady.  
Maybe everyone should ask their state arts councils
 if they need demonstrators, it might be a good opportunity to further the 
cause of lace.
  Janice


Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/

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[lace] Demonstrating

2005-04-12 Thread Christine Lardner
Further to Carole's comment about being asked to pay to demonstrate. I 
belong to the Isis Lacemakers, and we like to demonstrate lacemaking 
wherever we are asked. We occasionally get asked to pay for our tables, but 
when we explain that we do not sell, and in fact will be out of 
pocket(travelling etc), but do it because we enjoy it (and hope to educate 
the public, as well as making a few converts), then that is usually OK. 
Sometimes we are even provided with refreshments, and once we were offered 
travelling expanses (but turned them down as we were all fairly local).

Over the years we have heard many strange and amusing comments while 
demonstrating, but the most outrageous came at our Lace Fair, held last 
weekend. The entry fee was only £1.50, for which you got access to 20 top 
class suppliers, very reasonably priced home made cakes etc, and our usual 
mammoth tombola (prize every time!). Two lacemakers arrived and asked As we 
only want to look at the stalls for an hour or so, do we still have to 
pay? I was almost speechless, and could only reply Yes, just like 
everyone else. They paid up, but left me wondering, if they have any idea 
of the work involved in organising such an event, the cost of hiring the 
hall etc. Not to mention the fact that a large proportion of any profits 
goes to charity!

Luckily, most lacemakers are friendly and grateful, and quick to say so, and 
make it all worth while.

Christine (Oxford, England)
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Re: [lace] demonstrating, it's tatting! and bobbins

2005-04-05 Thread Laceandbits
In a message dated 04/04/2005 23:41:55 GMT Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 One woman came up and said that she used to make lace, but couldn't now as 
 her grip has gone and the bobbins slide through her fingers. Off the top of 
 my head I passed on the thought that if something like the adhesive foam used 
 for window insulation (and the grip bits in bobbin winders!) was stuck onto 
 the body of the bobbins, making them easier to pick up, that might help? She 
 thought it was a good idea, and I think she might try, but has anyone else 
 any 
 thoughts on this?

There is a type of bandage (described as cohesive) which is used for horses 
legs and other veterinary purposes.  It sticks to itself but is not sticky to 
the touch (if that makes sense) and is stretchy enough to be able to make it 
wrap tightly around a thin, not straight object (ie a lace bobbin, or the inner 
ring of an embroidery hoop).  It is similar to the stuff you put under things 
to stop them slipping, but is thinner and more flexible.

You should be able to buy it fairly easily at a tack shop or feed merchants.

Jacquie

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[lace] demonstrating, it's tatting! and bobbins

2005-04-04 Thread Jane Partridge
I spent yesterday in Doncaster, (South Yorkshire, UK) demonstrating lace
at a Card, Craft and Stamping Show with Anne Weston (Chairman of The
Guild of Needlelaces) - Anne takes her needlelace, I take bobbin. (Next
Sunday we'll be at Edgbaston Cricket Ground if anyone is in the
Birmingham area and not going to The Lace Guild Convention, and then
Sheffield on the 24th.)

Half way through the day, a woman with two young girls came to see what
we were doing, and the girls (approx 10 year olds) both had a go at
doing a stitch in my lace - they were very shy, but the one who tried
first did another stitch after her friend/sister had had a go, and got
it right without guidance from me. A minute or so later, she came over
with a two pound coin in her hand, and asked if I would like it for
showing her - I refused, of course, and thanked her for the thought. It
really made me feel appreciated, though! 

Later, two women, one saying it's tatting and the other correcting her
that we were lacemaking - but, I think I have found the reason for the
tatting lady's insistence. I took it back this morning, so can't refer
to the title now, but there is a book on the history of the Nottingham
lace industry from the late 1700s to 1950s. In that, it defines tatting
as a machine made geometric lace, similar to torchon. Hence the
confusion. In this case, the friend got the last word in!

One woman came up and said that she used to make lace, but couldn't now
as her grip has gone and the bobbins slide through her fingers. Off the
top of my head I passed on the thought that if something like the
adhesive foam used for window insulation (and the grip bits in bobbin
winders!) was stuck onto the body of the bobbins, making them easier to
pick up, that might help? She thought it was a good idea, and I think
she might try, but has anyone else any thoughts on this?

I got the feeling that a lace teacher in Pontefract and a bobbin turner
in the Doncaster area would be a good idea - there seems to be a hole
around there! Is there anyone in the area?  

I got the first side of a square mat (I'm working it in Texere's
Galloway linen - the grid is 10 to the inch rather than metric) done
during the day - it was one I doodled about a year or so ago, and it
stayed on the graph paper ever since waiting to be done - I'm not sure
about the centre at the moment, will wait till it is finished to see if
it could have done with another cloth area, but the pattern will
probably end up being sent to Bev for the CLG - watch this space but
don't hold your breath!

-- 
Jane Partridge


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Re: [lace] Demonstrating

2004-12-19 Thread Thelacebee
In a message dated 18/12/2004 18:06:28 GMT Standard Time, Betty Ann  writes:

 I surely wasn't negating demonstrating lacemaking *anywhere* when I made my 
 comment about doing so at Craft Fairs.  I love being able to sit and make 
 lace all day, have all the attention focused on my art, and enjoy 
 conversations with the passer-bys. Lunch is usually included and sometimes I 
 get a 
 stipend for my travel expenses.

Betty Ann,

Neither was I, it's one of those things that you put up with about 
demonstrating - the tatting lady, the sting people, the bet you could make 
money at that 
if you sold it etc in order to meet that one person who wants to make lace 
and having seen you thinks it might ok to have a go.

I love making lace and I love showing people how to make lace - and chatting 
to people - what could be better

Regards

Liz in London

I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link 
or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee

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Re: [lace] Demonstrating at craft Fairs

2004-12-18 Thread Thelacebee
In a message dated 16/12/2004 19:34:12 GMT Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Betty Ann in Roanoke Virginia said
 Many years ago I demonstrated lace at a Craft Fair in my hometown - only
 'cause it *was* my hometown. One of the comments that has stayed with me
 came from a teenager who stood 
 and watched me do bobbin lace for awhile then said, Goly! I'd bet
 you'd get five  dollar a yard fer that stuff!  That was my last Craft
 Show demonstration. 
 

When I used to do reenactment I would take my lace with me and work on a 
piece - usually honiton because it fitted in with the period.

People would come up and say 'tatting' or 'wish I was able to sew' () and 
all the usually things.  Then some bright spark would say - bet you make lots 
of money at that, selling it to these people doing the reenactment.

You smile and you simply say - they couldn't afford it, just as they wouldn't 
have been able to afford it back in the 1640s - it was a rich person's thing 
to own - but unlike now, I'd have been able to make a living at it.

Wow they would say and you'd smile and just carry on.  

It's all part of the fun!!! of demonstrating.  Personally, there were two 
things I liked doing at a reenactment - cooking or making lace - and making 
lace 
meant that I got pieces finished that I wouldn't have found the time to do 
else where because when else do you get two whole days to make lace and people 
bring you food whilst you do it!!

Regards

Liz in London

I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link 
or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee

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[lace] Demonstrating

2004-12-18 Thread Clive and Betty Ann Rice
Diana.Pickford writes:
Betty Ann in Roanoke Virginia said, Many years ago I demonstrated lace at a 
Craft Fair in my hometown - only
'cause it *was* my hometown. One of the comments that has stayed with me came 
from a teenager who stood 
and watched me do bobbin lace for awhile then said, Goly! I'd bet you'd 
get five dollar a yard fer that stuff!  That was my last Craft Show 
demonstration.  
~~
Liz in London writes: 
It's all part of the fun!!! of demonstrating.  Personally, there were two 
things I liked doing at a reenactment - cooking or making lace - and making 
lace 
meant that I got pieces finished that I wouldn't have found the time to do 
else where because when else do you get two whole days to make lace and people 
bring you food whilst you do it!!
~~

I surely wasn't negating demonstrating lacemaking *anywhere* when I made my 
comment about doing so at Craft Fairs.  I love being able to sit and make 
lace all day, have all the attention focused on my art, and enjoy conversations 
with the passer-bys. Lunch is usually included and sometimes I get a stipend 
for my travel expenses.

With all the other facets of my life, volunteerism, UDC work, charting family 
cemeteries, genealogy, study of the American Civil War, and travel, I pick and 
choose my own pleasure.  I have only so many days I can devote to 
demonstrating, so I choose historic homes and historic venues over the craft 
fairs.  I don't actively recruit anyone as a student of bobbin lace; if they 
are interested, I give them a card and they can contact me.  I also give them a 
ball park figure of the cost of pursuing this art. 

The Blue Ridge Lace Guild has two beginner pillow starter sets with 
everything included and each is lent for 2 months; instruction included. They 
have to put a deposit on the equipment. During that time, I used to help the 
student make (or made it alone) a pillow, lending them bobbins, thread, pins, 
pricker, card, etc. Then I decided that I wanted to spend more time making lace 
and less making pillows, I began telling the prospective students up front what 
they'd be expected to order from the vendors during the time they were using 
the loaner kit, and I guided them in the selection of pillows, thread, bobbins, 
etc. from the vendors catalogues.  Works for me!
 
Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia 24019
Just my $2 worth; I don't come cheap

  

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[lace] Demonstrating at Lace Fairs

2004-12-17 Thread Jeff and Lee Daly
You never know what impact a demonstration will have on someone. I received 
a phone call a few weeks ago from a gentleman whose wife had died recently. 
She had seen us demonstrating and had tried it herself. He had 2 pillows and 
some accessories to donate to the Lost Art Lacers knowing that we would be 
able to find someone to use them. They did not live very close to our group 
although they were frequently in the area.

I was very surprised to have him drop off a very nice swedish roller pillow 
and a Christina pillow! Both were in pristine condition. There were some 
threads and bobbins and some sample pieces in heavy thread so she had not 
done very much nor had she found the teacher that was close to her area. 
There were also newspaper clippings about our group's meetings and events 
from the early 80's that she had saved. He had remembered me and the Lost 
Art Lacers and had gone to the internet to find us. I am sorry that I did 
not get to meet her or help her with lacemaking.

Lee Daly
in NW New Jersey 

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[lace] Demonstrating

2004-12-16 Thread Judy
Dear Lacers,

In line with the comments on demonstrating, I just did a demonstration for our
local historical society and the annual candlelight tour of their collection
of historic houses.  Along with the usual 'tatting ladies' a young man stopped
by.  He said he had seen us demonstrating at this same venue as a child and he
just wanted to tell us what a memorable impression it had made on him.  Very
satisfying.  I have demonstrated in all sort of places for MANY years and I
can't think of a comment that has meant more.

Even if your demonstration does not recruit another lacemaker, it does have an
impact.  So have fun demonstrating, teach someone, impress someone, enchant
someone, you will be the richer for it.

Judy, in cold and wet Houston, TX

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[lace] demonstrating lace...and the tatting lady! and some Honiton lace

2004-05-10 Thread Elizabeth Shipp
Hi All,

My apologies if this isn't lace-y enough to be here.

I was recently in the US to give a presentation on European bobbin laces at
a textile/needle arts festival that my mother helped organize in
Hammondsport, NY, and also took one of my pillows and some bobbins so that I
could do some demonstrating.

Nearly all of my slides were from the VA's wonderful collection in the open
galleries.  OK, so they have a lot of needle lace, but it was useful to be
able to show the differences between various types of lace (crochet, tatted,
NL, BL).  One thing for those of you perhaps planning to photograph in those
galleries:  you can use flash, although not having the reflection of the
flash show up on the glass can be difficult.  If you ask ahead, you can
arrange a tripod permit, and that will let you shoot without a flash.  The
lighting in the gallery is fluorescent, so if you do not use flash but want
colors to be normal rather than the disgusting yellow-green that film gets
under fluorescent, you need tungsten-balanced film.  I used Kodak (no ties
at all to the big yellow box people, just a satisfied customer) 160T, so the
ASA was 160.  Using a tripod and no flash, I could do half-second exposures
at f-stop 2.8, and generally get a good exposure.  One hint, though, a
shutter release cord is good!   There are a lot of my slides where my
ghost shows up in the glass.  Oh dear.

Anyway, I helped hang the exhibit (quilts, lace out of my collection, and
various types of stitching) on Friday 30th April.  I was expecting someone
to make a comment during the exhibit itself about tatting, but NO.  One of
the other volunteers and I were discussing where I live, why I had come all
the way back to the US for just 5 days, and so on.  I explained that I would
be demonstrating bobbin lace all weekend and was looking forward to the time
at the pillow.  She told me that evening as she left that she hoped I
enjoyed my tatting!  What topped it off, though, was one of the first
visitors through the door on Saturday 1st May.  This one walked up to my
mother, who was sitting working on a needlepoint canvas, and said oh, my
such lovely tatting you're working on!  Oh dear.

It really was quite fun.  I worked on Wedding Bells from the Cook/Stott 100
Traditional Patterns book, and managed to get a whole repeat and a half done
in two days.  what progress!  But it was a good time;  I managed to really
intrigue some people, including a college junior who will be spending the
coming school year in Brussels, and who wanted to see bobbin lace being done
and ask questions so that if she was interested enough she could actually
get stuff and find a class while in Belgium.  Great fun to see someone her
age so fascinated by the whole thing.

Unfortunately, I didn't get the Beds lace cap done that I had started.  In
fact, I ended up stealing bobbins off of it and my Honiton piece, which is
lesson 1 from the Thompson book, so that I could have enough bobbins to
demonstrate with. But, many thanks for the suggestions on working it.
Someone on this list a while ago said that Beds lace was an exercise in
bobbin management.  Whoever you were, you were right!  I've got 120 pairs
mounted, and I feel like I spend more time shuffling heaps of bobbins
(strapped to flat pieces of wood, don't worry) than doing anything else. 

Regarding Honiton, I apologize, I don't remember who asked about getting all
new toys for doing Honiton.  Anyway, all of my pillows when I started
playing with Honiton were about 26/66cm squares, and that just wasn't
something I was interested in trying to deal with.  So I cut out a circle of
styropor* that's about 12-15/30-38cm across, cut two circles of fabric
larger than the pillow, and pinned the circles to the pillow with them
overlapping on the sides.  My first project I don't remember what thread I
used, but it was thicker than what Thompson recommends, so I had to reduce
the number of pairs.  Pain in the neck, that is!  I have now gone and gotten
some real Honiton thread from the Honiton Lace Shop, and am now using I
think 170/2 for the same little flower.  It's astounding how fine it is, and
how darned easily it snaps.  For bobbins, I've been using unspangled
Midlands bobbins.  I CAN NOT (and I have tried!) work with spangled bobbins,
but unspangled Midlands let you pack a lot more bobbins onto a pillow than
the Continentals.  I have found, though, that the completely smooth Mids
bobbins are hard to grab, both for picking up between the thumb and
forefinger and for grasping between the fingers of my clawed hands for
tensioning.  It's much easier when they have a tiny bit of decoration on the
spangle end.  I haven't had any problems with them snagging on anything,
although the only Honiton I've done is the flower one-and-a-half times, and
the hanky corner 1/3 of the way.

* Styropor is I think the name for what I'm using;  it's sold here in
Europe, or at least in France, in about 70cm x 140 cm sheets, and is a very