Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: | That part I have. What I do not have is 3-phase power to run it. What voltage and amperage does it need? 3-phase 440V most likely about 20-30 amps. -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 07:23 am, shogunx wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: | That part I have. What I do not have is 3-phase power to run it. What voltage and amperage does it need? 3-phase 440V most likely about 20-30 amps. If originally installed in the US, it probably needs twin feeds, 208 volt 60 amp 3 wire with RussellStoll or Hubbell RS 460R9W receptacles. At about 20 kbTU/hr, you could heat your house with it, too. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT - z/OS and ACF2 - OMVS id cancelled due to max violations
Given the name of the dataset, check in ACF2 for any generic protection type rules: NODE1.* or NOD* type rules. There may be no specific rule for the dataset, but some portion of the name may have been caught under a generic rule. Was it defined on a volume or group of volumes that is used by USS? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ranga Nathan Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:42 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: OT - z/OS and ACF2 - OMVS id cancelled due to max violations Though this is a z/VM mailing list, I hope someone will be able to shed some light on this bizarre problem that I have difficulty explaining. We defined a dataset that I think (!) we perhaps created as a HFS dataset. We did not do anything else (no read or update) with it. We had not set up any ACF2 rules for it. But somehow we are getting ACF2 violations on accesses from USS. When the violations exceeded the limit, USS id was cancelled by ACF2 causing all TCP/IP and USS dependent tasks to abend. We had to re-IPL the LPAR. We had to delete the dataset before re-IPLing for fear of another incident! I am guessing that because we set it up as a HFS (unintentionally), any access by backup jobs or via ISPF was considered as coming from USS. Since the ACF2 rules were not set up, it caused violations and the consequent results. We do not remember if we set it up as a normal or HFS dataset. That evidence is gone. But my theory is that it was set up as HFS with no ACF2 rules and any access to it was considered as coming from USS. This is bizarre. We are splitting hair to find out why and how it happened. Any clues welcome :-) __ Ranga Nathan / CSG Systems Programmer - Specialist; Technical Services; BAX Global Inc. Irvine-California Tel: 714-442-7591 Fax: 714-442-2840 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (in cl. S/390)
What voltage and amperage does it need? From GC22-7102 (the physical planning guide): For the CPU, 2 separate 220VAC 30 amp 3 phase circuits for the primary frame, plus an additional 220VAC 30 amp circuit if you have the channel expansion frame, plus a 110VAC 15A service tool circuit nearby. All circuits need RS 9P34U0 waterproof connectors. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: boot disk for Slack390
On Wednesday, 03/16/2005 at 01:08 CST, Phil Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Under the link boot disk on the Slack390 site, it describes setting up the initial boot/IPL to install Slack390. But only refers to tape and card reader. How can I do this from CDROMs? Other documentation tells about the format for emulating a tape on CDROM, but it omits one crucial piece of info, which is what names from the tapes directory on the CD will be used when booting that CD. The Tape Descriptor File (TDF) describes the files in the order that they will appear on the tape. If you REWIND 181 before you IPL, then the first file the TDF points to must contain the bootable kernel. There's nothing magic about the /tapes directory. It's just where the files are located on the CDs we produce and the TDF points to them. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: 9672 power requirements
At about 20 kbTU/hr, you could heat your house with it, too. Funny story: I can confirm this fact. This winter (which has been particularly cold in the Washington DC area) our office furnace completely failed -- totally casters-up, no function at all. The MP3000 and the other processors here generate so much heat that no one noticed that the heater was offline until someone said has anyone heard the heater fan run in the last two weeks? The machines and disk units kept the entire office at a comfortable 70 degrees F for at least a month before anyone noticed. Strange, but true...8-) -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT - z/OS and ACF2 - OMVS id cancelled due to max violations
In ACF2, for it to actually check HFS(USS) data sets for access rules, you have to turn some options on. It by default does not check those types of data sets. That being said, it will report the access under the Open Edition events section. That access is by the traditional Unix attributes that are on the data set. ie - rwxrwxrwx or what ever they may be. I didn't think those violations would count towards a LID being suspended. I'm ass/u/me/ing that it was TCPIP that had the problems by what you've said. One thing to know is that you can restart your OMVS(USS) system WITHOUT an IPL. F OMVS,SHUTDOWN and then a F OMVS,START should take care of that. That should in theory give you back TCP access. I forget what level of z/OS that became available but know that it was at z/OS 1.3 and up. If you want to talk offline since this is not the correct list, please contact me off list. At 11:42 PM 3/15/2005, you wrote: Though this is a z/VM mailing list, I hope someone will be able to shed some light on this bizarre problem that I have difficulty explaining. We defined a dataset that I think (!) we perhaps created as a HFS dataset. We did not do anything else (no read or update) with it. We had not set up any ACF2 rules for it. But somehow we are getting ACF2 violations on accesses from USS. When the violations exceeded the limit, USS id was cancelled by ACF2 causing all TCP/IP and USS dependent tasks to abend. We had to re-IPL the LPAR. We had to delete the dataset before re-IPLing for fear of another incident! I am guessing that because we set it up as a HFS (unintentionally), any access by backup jobs or via ISPF was considered as coming from USS. Since the ACF2 rules were not set up, it caused violations and the consequent results. We do not remember if we set it up as a normal or HFS dataset. That evidence is gone. But my theory is that it was set up as HFS with no ACF2 rules and any access to it was considered as coming from USS. This is bizarre. We are splitting hair to find out why and how it happened. Any clues welcome :-) __ Ranga Nathan / CSG Systems Programmer - Specialist; Technical Services; BAX Global Inc. Irvine-California Tel: 714-442-7591 Fax: 714-442-2840 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Brian W. France Systems Administrator (Mainframe) Pennsylvania State University Administrative Information Services - Infrastructure/Sysarc Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 814-863-4739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
| That part I have. What I do not have is 3-phase power to run it. What voltage and amperage does it need? 3-phase 440V most likely about 20-30 amps. If originally installed in the US, it probably needs twin feeds, 208 volt 60 amp 3 wire with RussellStoll or Hubbell RS 460R9W receptacles. It was originally installed in the pentagon. It has two 4 connector round plugs, one coming from each side of the first cabinet, which makes sense at one connector per phase and one earth ground. Pictures at http://gnuveau.net/s390/ At about 20 kbTU/hr, you could heat your house with it, too. The shark does a nice job of that by itself. I've had to install additional cooling to make it tolerable. Correct though, it is in my house. Scott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: 9672 power requirements
This reminds me of a story abe simpson voice . . . back in the old days . . . /abe simpson voice Some sights that ran large s/360's and s/370's actually had these boxes plumbed into the duct work for heating, i.e. to help heat a building or assist in heating, etc.. I can remember reading a couple of articles about it in Computer World when it was much thicker than it is today. Steve G. David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 03/16/2005 08:46 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc: Subject:Re: 9672 power requirements At about 20 kbTU/hr, you could heat your house with it, too. Funny story: I can confirm this fact. This winter (which has been particularly cold in the Washington DC area) our office furnace completely failed -- totally casters-up, no function at all. The MP3000 and the other processors here generate so much heat that no one noticed that the heater was offline until someone said has anyone heard the heater fan run in the last two weeks? The machines and disk units kept the entire office at a comfortable 70 degrees F for at least a month before anyone noticed. Strange, but true...8-) -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: VNC on SLES9 - Problem Solved!
Ranga- I'm using VNC Viewer for Win32 v.4.0. I also tested the connection with the browser. Both are working fine, but I had to change the following in /etc/sysconfig: DISPLAYMANAGER to gdm and the DEFAULT_WM to gnome. Run this command /opt/gnome/sbin/gdmconfig go to tab XDMCP, and enable XDMCP. Restart the display manager: rcxdm restart I'm able to choose which any session at the login screen. -Channon -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ranga Nathan Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:56 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: VNC on SLES9 - Problem Solved! Channon: I would like to get it working too but I get only the xterm in a java applet under my browser. I presume you have a windows desktop. If so, do you see the Gnome / KDE desktop when you vnc into the Linux? Or is it some xterm over java applet? __ Ranga Nathan / CSG Systems Programmer - Specialist; Technical Services; BAX Global Inc. Irvine-California Tel: 714-442-7591 Fax: 714-442-2840 Quillen, Channon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 03/15/2005 07:30 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: VNC on SLES9 - Problem Solved! After uninstalling/reinstalling XFree86-Xvnc, tightvnc, XFree86, and kdenetwork3-vnc and also following the HOWTO, the problem was with the display and/or window manager. In /etc/sysconfig, I changed the DISPLAYMANAGER to gdm and the DEFAULT_WM to gnome. I'm now able to use VNC. It looks like I have a display manager application issue? Thanks all! -Channon -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Saulo Augusto Silva Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:19 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: VNC on SLES9 If you are using vnc with utility vncserver , you will never get a logon screen . For that is necessary to install a tightvnc-server package and XFree86-Xvnc package . After that you need to config kdm or gdm and xinetd server to user vnc like a superdaemon service . This wiki from gentoo is very usefull and will help you : http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xvnc_terminal_server Another way is change the vnc xstartup from twm to kde . Saulo Augusto Silva - Analista de Suporte Engenheiro Certificado RedHat Linux Profissional Certificado LPIC-I [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 71 3115 7677 Em Qua, 2005-03-09 C s 13:23 -0600, Quillen, Channon escreveu: I don't know if this related to SLES9 being installed on zVM, but here it goes... I'm able to connect but get a black and white screen with an X for a cursor. I never get the logon screen. I've tried googling the problem and have tried many fixes with no success. -Channon -- As informaC'C5es existentes nesta mensagem e nos arquivos anexados sC#o para uso restrito, com sigilo protegido por lei. Caso nC#o seja o destinatC!rio, favor apagar esta mensagem e notificar o remetente. O uso imprC3prio das informaC'C5es desta mensagem serC! tratado conforme a legislaC'C#o em vigor. The information contained in this message and in the attached files are restricted, and its confidentiality is protected by law. In case you are not the addressee, please, delete this message and notify the sender. The improper use of this information will be treated according to the legal laws. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:23:24AM -0500, shogunx wrote: | On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: | | | That part I have. What I do not have is 3-phase power to run it. | | What voltage and amperage does it need? | | 3-phase 440V most likely about 20-30 amps. You'll need at least 25 kVA. That's as much power as a small house. Then add air conditioning. Not sure whether upgrading electric service or buying a generator would cost more. Maybe renting one long enough to see if it will power up could be done. What are your goals for it? Is it literally 440 volts, or is that just a figure of speech for what is officially 480 volts (if you are in the US)? -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:23:24AM -0500, shogunx wrote: | On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: | | | That part I have. What I do not have is 3-phase power to run it. | | What voltage and amperage does it need? | | 3-phase 440V most likely about 20-30 amps. You'll need at least 25 kVA. That's as much power as a small house. Then add air conditioning. Not sure whether upgrading electric service or buying a generator would cost more. Maybe renting one long enough to see if it will power up could be done. What are your goals for it? Is it literally 440 volts, or is that just a figure of speech for what is officially 480 volts (if you are in the US)? Well, according to ohms law, it should work at 440, though with a higher current draw. You are correct. 3-phase each phase 120 degrees out of phase from the others at 120V per phase yields 3 discrete 240V circuits (actually about 208V after phase shift, but for all practical purposes its the same thing, and depends on whether you use a wye or delta configuration in your transformer). So figure of speech it is. In an electic company FUD kind of way. tangent Also, is there anyone on this list that operates a s/390 / z-series machine (preferably running linux) in a bank? If so, please contact me off list with information on how to open an account. I am having a problem with my current bank, Netbank, and after a bit of research, have found the reason. They operate m$ servers. Go figure. Scott -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
I'm sure there are many banks in Nigeria that would love to open an account for you. We're always getting emails from them trying to give away money of some rich person who died and has no family. All you need to do is give them your current bank account number! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/05 09:43AM On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:23:24AM -0500, shogunx wrote: | On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: | | | That part I have. What I do not have is 3-phase power to run it. | | What voltage and amperage does it need? | | 3-phase 440V most likely about 20-30 amps. You'll need at least 25 kVA. That's as much power as a small house. Then add air conditioning. Not sure whether upgrading electric service or buying a generator would cost more. Maybe renting one long enough to see if it will power up could be done. What are your goals for it? Is it literally 440 volts, or is that just a figure of speech for what is officially 480 volts (if you are in the US)? Well, according to ohms law, it should work at 440, though with a higher current draw. You are correct. 3-phase each phase 120 degrees out of phase from the others at 120V per phase yields 3 discrete 240V circuits (actually about 208V after phase shift, but for all practical purposes its the same thing, and depends on whether you use a wye or delta configuration in your transformer). So figure of speech it is. In an electic company FUD kind of way. tangent Also, is there anyone on this list that operates a s/390 / z-series machine (preferably running linux) in a bank? If so, please contact me off list with information on how to open an account. I am having a problem with my current bank, Netbank, and after a bit of research, have found the reason. They operate m$ servers. Go figure. Scott -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 The information in this e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain confidential and privileged information that is protected by law. It is intended for the sole use of the recipient named above. If you are not the intended recipient or the agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete any copies from your system. GWAVAsig -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Richard Pinion wrote: I'm sure there are many banks in Nigeria that would love to open an account for you. We're always getting emails from them trying to give away money of some rich person who died and has no family. All you need to do is give them your current bank account number! :) I get plenty of those too. Most of the packet headers actually originate in germany, if I remember correctly. I actually had someone try to scam me out of a digital alphaserver 2100 in a similar fashion. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/05 09:43AM On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:23:24AM -0500, shogunx wrote: | On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: | | | That part I have. What I do not have is 3-phase power to run it. | | What voltage and amperage does it need? | | 3-phase 440V most likely about 20-30 amps. You'll need at least 25 kVA. That's as much power as a small house. Then add air conditioning. Not sure whether upgrading electric service or buying a generator would cost more. Maybe renting one long enough to see if it will power up could be done. What are your goals for it? Is it literally 440 volts, or is that just a figure of speech for what is officially 480 volts (if you are in the US)? Well, according to ohms law, it should work at 440, though with a higher current draw. You are correct. 3-phase each phase 120 degrees out of phase from the others at 120V per phase yields 3 discrete 240V circuits (actually about 208V after phase shift, but for all practical purposes its the same thing, and depends on whether you use a wye or delta configuration in your transformer). So figure of speech it is. In an electic company FUD kind of way. tangent Also, is there anyone on this list that operates a s/390 / z-series machine (preferably running linux) in a bank? If so, please contact me off list with information on how to open an account. I am having a problem with my current bank, Netbank, and after a bit of research, have found the reason. They operate m$ servers. Go figure. Scott -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 The information in this e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain confidential and privileged information that is protected by law. It is intended for the sole use of the recipient named above. If you are not the intended recipient or the agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete any copies from your system. GWAVAsig -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
electrical power - Was: Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
Scott writes: On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:23:24AM -0500, shogunx wrote: | On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: | | That part I have. What I do not have is 3-phase power to run it. | | What voltage and amperage does it need? | | 3-phase 440V most likely about 20-30 amps. You'll need at least 25 kVA. That's as much power as a small house. Then add air conditioning. Not sure whether upgrading electric service or buying a generator would cost more. Maybe renting one long enough to see if it will power up could be done. What are your goals for it? Is it literally 440 volts, or is that just a figure of speech for what is officially 480 volts (if you are in the US)? Well, according to ohms law, it should work at 440, though with a higher current draw. You are correct. 3-phase each phase 120 degrees out of phase from the others at 120V per phase yields 3 discrete 240V circuits (actually about 208V after phase shift, but for all practical purposes its the same thing, and depends on whether you use a wye or delta configuration in your transformer). So figure of speech it is. In an electic company FUD kind of way. Even if 208 (derived from 3 phase service) and 220/240 (the normal single phase service found in homes and small businesses) are all not-too-far-apart, so that many times one can ignore the difference and some kinds of equipment will still run fine, it is not always the case - especially for equipment with motors. (It is my impression that switching power supplies are extremely tolerant of variations in input voltage.) I've been involved in situations where equipment which was specified for 220-240V required a boost transformer to run properly. --henry schaffer ... P.S. the nominal single phase voltage in the US is 120V (or maybe 115V - or maybe even 110V :-) It is half of the hot-to-hot voltage (nominally 240V), and my local power company specifies +/- 5% for residential use and +/- 10% for other retail. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: boot disk for Slack390
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 08:49:53AM -0500, Alan Altmark wrote: | On Wednesday, 03/16/2005 at 01:08 CST, Phil Howard | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Under the link boot disk on the Slack390 site, it describes setting up | the initial boot/IPL to install Slack390. But only refers to tape and | card reader. How can I do this from CDROMs? Other documentation tells | about the format for emulating a tape on CDROM, but it omits one crucial | piece of info, which is what names from the tapes directory on the CD | will be used when booting that CD. | | The Tape Descriptor File (TDF) describes the files in the order that they | will appear on the tape. If you REWIND 181 before you IPL, then the first | file the TDF points to must contain the bootable kernel. | | There's nothing magic about the /tapes directory. It's just where the | files are located on the CDs we produce and the TDF points to them. But there is still missing documentation info. Is there a specific NAME that is accessed in the /tapes directory? Or is it like EL TORITO and it stores which name somewhere in the ISO header blocks? Or does someone have a small ISO image that can be booted that I can dissect and perhaps get the needed info? -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Presentations from March 15 Hillgang meeting available for downlo ad
Most of the presentations from the March 15 Hillgang meeting are available for download from http://sinenomine.net/vm/hillgang-15-mar-2005. Feel free to download at your leisure. A public thanks to the presenters for an excellent session. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
I got one from the attorney of a distant relative in Nigeria that passed away. Even though I never met him, he wanted to give me a large inheritance. What a guy! Eric shogunx [EMAIL PROTECTED] ak.ath.cx To Sent by: Linux on LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 390 Port cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU Subject Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. 03/16/2005 09:04 S/390) AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Richard Pinion wrote: I'm sure there are many banks in Nigeria that would love to open an account for you. We're always getting emails from them trying to give away money of some rich person who died and has no family. All you need to do is give them your current bank account number! :) I get plenty of those too. Most of the packet headers actually originate in germany, if I remember correctly. I actually had someone try to scam me out of a digital alphaserver 2100 in a similar fashion. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/05 09:43AM On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:23:24AM -0500, shogunx wrote: | On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: | | | That part I have. What I do not have is 3-phase power to run it. | | What voltage and amperage does it need? | | 3-phase 440V most likely about 20-30 amps. You'll need at least 25 kVA. That's as much power as a small house. Then add air conditioning. Not sure whether upgrading electric service or buying a generator would cost more. Maybe renting one long enough to see if it will power up could be done. What are your goals for it? Is it literally 440 volts, or is that just a figure of speech for what is officially 480 volts (if you are in the US)? Well, according to ohms law, it should work at 440, though with a higher current draw. You are correct. 3-phase each phase 120 degrees out of phase from the others at 120V per phase yields 3 discrete 240V circuits (actually about 208V after phase shift, but for all practical purposes its the same thing, and depends on whether you use a wye or delta configuration in your transformer). So figure of speech it is. In an electic company FUD kind of way. tangent Also, is there anyone on this list that operates a s/390 / z-series machine (preferably running linux) in a bank? If so, please contact me off list with information on how to open an account. I am having a problem with my current bank, Netbank, and after a bit of research, have found the reason. They operate m$ servers. Go figure. Scott -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 The information in this e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain confidential and privileged information that is protected by law. It is intended for the sole use of the recipient named above. If you are not the intended recipient or the agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete any copies from your system. GWAVAsig -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to
Re: 9672 power requirements
I was going to ignore the could heat your house comment, but since David didn't. I heard this second hand, so I don't know how true it is. I heard that someone bought an old Sigma 7 and put it in his basement. Since it put out a lot of heat he connected it up to his heating ducts and used the Sigma 7 to heat his house. The Sigma computer systems were made by Sigma Data Systems, which was bought by Xerox. Xerox eventually left the computer business leaving Sigma customers without support. The university I graduated from had three Sigma 9s that they were still using when I graduated. Actually one was for parts for the other two. One of the professors there actually ported the Unix PCC C compiler to the Sigma operating system (I can't remember what the OS was called). -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:47 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: 9672 power requirements At about 20 kbTU/hr, you could heat your house with it, too. Funny story: I can confirm this fact. This winter (which has been particularly cold in the Washington DC area) our office furnace completely failed -- totally casters-up, no function at all. The MP3000 and the other processors here generate so much heat that no one noticed that the heater was offline until someone said has anyone heard the heater fan run in the last two weeks? The machines and disk units kept the entire office at a comfortable 70 degrees F for at least a month before anyone noticed. Strange, but true...8-) -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: 9672 power requirements
This reminds me of a story abe simpson voice . . . back in the old days . . . /abe simpson voice Some sights that ran large s/360's and s/370's actually had these boxes plumbed into the duct work for heating, i.e. to help heat a building or assist in heating, etc.. I can remember reading a couple of articles about it in Computer World when it was much thicker than it is today. Steve G. From 1985 to 1997 I worked in a building that did something close to that. Office areas were heated or cooled by heat pumps above the drop ceiling. The heat pumps extracted heat from or dumped heat to a mixture of water and ethylene glycol circulated through pipes. The machine room air was cooled by Liebert units that dumped heat to the same system of pipes. In the earlier part of that period we had we had a Liebert chiller supplying cold water to a big mainframe and dumping heat to the water/glycol mixture. There was a dry tower on the roof used to warm or cool the water/glycol mixture as needed. There was also a gas furnace in the basement to warm the water/glycol mixture in very cold weather. The building management claimed to achieve significant energy savings in cold weather because the waste heat from the machine room enabled the office heat pumps to extract heat from relatively warm liquid. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: boot disk for Slack390
Phil, Are you trying to actually IPL from the CD reader in the HMC? Or something else? Let me know specifically, and I'll see if I can help. All methods of IPLing the installation kernels involve the same three files: kernel parmfile initrd (ramdisk) Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:09 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: boot disk for Slack390 Under the link boot disk on the Slack390 site, it describes setting up the initial boot/IPL to install Slack390. But only refers to tape and card reader. How can I do this from CDROMs? Other documentation tells about the format for emulating a tape on CDROM, but it omits one crucial piece of info, which is what names from the tapes directory on the CD will be used when booting that CD. -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
OT Mainframes (was: 9672 power requirements)
The OS for the Xerox Sigma-7 (and Sigma-9s) was called CP-V (Control Program five) and the JCL was, IIRC, called PCL (a pickle deck). Honeywell took over the 'puter business but didn't do much with it. The CEs had a diagnostic tape that included System EXercisers (which could be launched by the command SEX or NEW) and the first program on the tape was called hardcore to ensure that all of the instructions in the system still worked. Instead of Z EOD the operator typed ZAP, the KSR-35 would do a little dance and type out THAT'S ALL FOLKS and the CPU speaker would play the Star Spangled Banner. (shakes head) It was a fun system. though there were some oddities. For instance, CP-V could be crashed by running 256 B *+1s in a row (because the CPU stalled in re-filling the pipeline and locked out the HS-RAD). cat file was spelled copy file to me... and it had the first meta-assembler I've ever seen. I used to hand-assemble some programs and toggle 'em in. I learned about channel programming on that beast. I went from those to TI-960s in late 1977 and then to UNIVAC 1100s in 1979. John R. Campbell, Speaker to Machines (GNUrd) (813) 356-5322 (t/l 697) Adsumo ergo raptus sum MacOS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows. Red Hat Certified Engineer (#803004680310286) IBM Certified: IBM AIX 4.3 System Administration, System Support - Forwarded by John Campbell/Tampa/IBM on 03/16/2005 11:45 AM - Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU tb.ca.gov cc: Sent by: Linux onSubject: Re: [LINUX-390] 9672 power requirements 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU 03/16/2005 11:35 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port I was going to ignore the could heat your house comment, but since David didn't. I heard this second hand, so I don't know how true it is. I heard that someone bought an old Sigma 7 and put it in his basement. Since it put out a lot of heat he connected it up to his heating ducts and used the Sigma 7 to heat his house. The Sigma computer systems were made by Sigma Data Systems, which was bought by Xerox. Xerox eventually left the computer business leaving Sigma customers without support. The university I graduated from had three Sigma 9s that they were still using when I graduated. Actually one was for parts for the other two. One of the professors there actually ported the Unix PCC C compiler to the Sigma operating system (I can't remember what the OS was called). -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:47 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: 9672 power requirements At about 20 kbTU/hr, you could heat your house with it, too. Funny story: I can confirm this fact. This winter (which has been particularly cold in the Washington DC area) our office furnace completely failed -- totally casters-up, no function at all. The MP3000 and the other processors here generate so much heat that no one noticed that the heater was offline until someone said has anyone heard the heater fan run in the last two weeks? The machines and disk units kept the entire office at a comfortable 70 degrees F for at least a month before anyone noticed. Strange, but true...8-) -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: 9672 power requirements
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:35:42 -0800, Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to ignore the could heat your house comment, but since David didn't. At about 20 kbTU/hr, you could heat your house with it, too. It does depend on the climate, but Google suggests that 1 KWh is 3412 BTU, so that 20 KBTU/hr would be approximately 5.8 KWh. I believe that at home we have 30 KW for heating and warm water supply. If you don't have 3 phase from the mains, you could run your own plant and burn a barrel of crude oil in 14 days. :-) Actually, this is just the heat produced. There's also power needed for the computing itself :-) Rob -- Rob van der Heij rvdheij @ gmail.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT Mainframes (was: 9672 power requirements)
I didn't use CP-V much, but I do remember some odd things about the command line. There is a subtle difference in copy file1 to file2, copy file1 over file2, and copy file1 after file2. I thought someone should have written a rename command. Once I miss-typed a command and managed to redirect all output to a file (for all commands following as well). I ended up logging out and back in to correct it. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Campbell Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:53 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: OT Mainframes (was: 9672 power requirements) The OS for the Xerox Sigma-7 (and Sigma-9s) was called CP-V (Control Program five) and the JCL was, IIRC, called PCL (a pickle deck). Honeywell took over the 'puter business but didn't do much with it. The CEs had a diagnostic tape that included System EXercisers (which could be launched by the command SEX or NEW) and the first program on the tape was called hardcore to ensure that all of the instructions in the system still worked. Instead of Z EOD the operator typed ZAP, the KSR-35 would do a little dance and type out THAT'S ALL FOLKS and the CPU speaker would play the Star Spangled Banner. (shakes head) It was a fun system. though there were some oddities. For instance, CP-V could be crashed by running 256 B *+1s in a row (because the CPU stalled in re-filling the pipeline and locked out the HS-RAD). cat file was spelled copy file to me... and it had the first meta-assembler I've ever seen. I used to hand-assemble some programs and toggle 'em in. I learned about channel programming on that beast. I went from those to TI-960s in late 1977 and then to UNIVAC 1100s in 1979. John R. Campbell, Speaker to Machines (GNUrd) (813) 356-5322 (t/l 697) Adsumo ergo raptus sum MacOS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows. Red Hat Certified Engineer (#803004680310286) IBM Certified: IBM AIX 4.3 System Administration, System Support - Forwarded by John Campbell/Tampa/IBM on 03/16/2005 11:45 AM - Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU tb.ca.gov cc: Sent by: Linux onSubject: Re: [LINUX-390] 9672 power requirements 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU 03/16/2005 11:35 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port I was going to ignore the could heat your house comment, but since David didn't. I heard this second hand, so I don't know how true it is. I heard that someone bought an old Sigma 7 and put it in his basement. Since it put out a lot of heat he connected it up to his heating ducts and used the Sigma 7 to heat his house. The Sigma computer systems were made by Sigma Data Systems, which was bought by Xerox. Xerox eventually left the computer business leaving Sigma customers without support. The university I graduated from had three Sigma 9s that they were still using when I graduated. Actually one was for parts for the other two. One of the professors there actually ported the Unix PCC C compiler to the Sigma operating system (I can't remember what the OS was called). -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:47 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: 9672 power requirements At about 20 kbTU/hr, you could heat your house with it, too. Funny story: I can confirm this fact. This winter (which has been particularly cold in the Washington DC area) our office furnace completely failed -- totally casters-up, no function at all. The MP3000 and the other processors here generate so much heat that no one noticed that the heater was offline until someone said has anyone heard the heater fan run in the last two weeks? The machines and disk units kept the entire office at a comfortable 70 degrees F for at least a month before anyone noticed. Strange, but true...8-) -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
Re: OT Mainframes (was: 9672 power requirements)
i was trying to cluster together some old pentiums that i rescued from the garbage. this was 2002 or so. then, unexplicably, the garage that i worked from got raided, but i got away with all of the disks out a window, hitchhikers guide style. i later collected the machines in the middle of the night, stashed them in a storage unit, and went travelling. which led me to the Internet Engineering Task Force conference in Atlanta, where I knew I could find friends that would help. Shortly thereafter I was again clustering machines, but this time at Linux Labs in atlanta, where I was eventually kicked out of for, among other things, not keeping office hours (i mostly only went at night, and had a tendancy to wander around the 27 story peachtree plaza office building in cut off shorts, a ragged shirt and no shoes), dating the CEO's sister, and smoking in the building. finding myself back home in daytona, I finally built the cluster that i wanted, only from better hardware than the pentium 100's, which I guess would be my true entry into the realm of high performance computing. several alphaservers later, i scored the 9672 and two sharks for a very small amount of someone elses money courtesy one military surplus auction. the shark didn't do what i wanted, so i put linux on it. when i get the 9672 powered, it will be my first supercomputer that i didn't build myself. enjoy, scott On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, John Campbell wrote: The OS for the Xerox Sigma-7 (and Sigma-9s) was called CP-V (Control Program five) and the JCL was, IIRC, called PCL (a pickle deck). Honeywell took over the 'puter business but didn't do much with it. The CEs had a diagnostic tape that included System EXercisers (which could be launched by the command SEX or NEW) and the first program on the tape was called hardcore to ensure that all of the instructions in the system still worked. Instead of Z EOD the operator typed ZAP, the KSR-35 would do a little dance and type out THAT'S ALL FOLKS and the CPU speaker would play the Star Spangled Banner. (shakes head) It was a fun system. though there were some oddities. For instance, CP-V could be crashed by running 256 B *+1s in a row (because the CPU stalled in re-filling the pipeline and locked out the HS-RAD). cat file was spelled copy file to me... and it had the first meta-assembler I've ever seen. I used to hand-assemble some programs and toggle 'em in. I learned about channel programming on that beast. I went from those to TI-960s in late 1977 and then to UNIVAC 1100s in 1979. John R. Campbell, Speaker to Machines (GNUrd) (813) 356-5322 (t/l 697) Adsumo ergo raptus sum MacOS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows. Red Hat Certified Engineer (#803004680310286) IBM Certified: IBM AIX 4.3 System Administration, System Support - Forwarded by John Campbell/Tampa/IBM on 03/16/2005 11:45 AM - Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU tb.ca.gov cc: Sent by: Linux onSubject: Re: [LINUX-390] 9672 power requirements 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU 03/16/2005 11:35 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port I was going to ignore the could heat your house comment, but since David didn't. I heard this second hand, so I don't know how true it is. I heard that someone bought an old Sigma 7 and put it in his basement. Since it put out a lot of heat he connected it up to his heating ducts and used the Sigma 7 to heat his house. The Sigma computer systems were made by Sigma Data Systems, which was bought by Xerox. Xerox eventually left the computer business leaving Sigma customers without support. The university I graduated from had three Sigma 9s that they were still using when I graduated. Actually one was for parts for the other two. One of the professors there actually ported the Unix PCC C compiler to the Sigma operating system (I can't remember what the OS was called). -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:47 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: 9672 power requirements At about 20 kbTU/hr, you could heat your house with it, too. Funny story: I can confirm this fact. This winter (which has been particularly cold in the Washington DC area) our office furnace completely failed -- totally casters-up, no function at all. The MP3000 and the other processors here generate so much heat that no one noticed that the heater was offline until someone said has anyone heard the heater fan run in the last two weeks? The machines and disk units kept the
Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
Last week I got one from a woman claiming to be Saddam Husseins wife! Those silly Nigerian 419'ers. On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Eric Clapsaddle wrote: I got one from the attorney of a distant relative in Nigeria that passed away. Even though I never met him, he wanted to give me a large inheritance. What a guy! Eric shogunx [EMAIL PROTECTED] ak.ath.cx To Sent by: Linux on LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 390 Port cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU Subject Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. 03/16/2005 09:04 S/390) AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Richard Pinion wrote: I'm sure there are many banks in Nigeria that would love to open an account for you. We're always getting emails from them trying to give away money of some rich person who died and has no family. All you need to do is give them your current bank account number! :) I get plenty of those too. Most of the packet headers actually originate in germany, if I remember correctly. I actually had someone try to scam me out of a digital alphaserver 2100 in a similar fashion. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/05 09:43AM On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:23:24AM -0500, shogunx wrote: | On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: | | | That part I have. What I do not have is 3-phase power to run it. | | What voltage and amperage does it need? | | 3-phase 440V most likely about 20-30 amps. You'll need at least 25 kVA. That's as much power as a small house. Then add air conditioning. Not sure whether upgrading electric service or buying a generator would cost more. Maybe renting one long enough to see if it will power up could be done. What are your goals for it? Is it literally 440 volts, or is that just a figure of speech for what is officially 480 volts (if you are in the US)? Well, according to ohms law, it should work at 440, though with a higher current draw. You are correct. 3-phase each phase 120 degrees out of phase from the others at 120V per phase yields 3 discrete 240V circuits (actually about 208V after phase shift, but for all practical purposes its the same thing, and depends on whether you use a wye or delta configuration in your transformer). So figure of speech it is. In an electic company FUD kind of way. tangent Also, is there anyone on this list that operates a s/390 / z-series machine (preferably running linux) in a bank? If so, please contact me off list with information on how to open an account. I am having a problem with my current bank, Netbank, and after a bit of research, have found the reason. They operate m$ servers. Go figure. Scott -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 The information in this e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain confidential and privileged information that is protected by law. It is intended for the sole use of the recipient named above. If you are not the intended recipient or the agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete any copies from your system. GWAVAsig -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or
Re: OT - CMS for Documentation - any recommendations?
TWiki is meant for sharing info. It was not built with security in mind, rather it was an after-thought. For group sharing and documentation I like TWiki. However before I go full steam ahead, I want to look at the alternatives. Apache Lenya, Bricoloage, Drupal - they all look good. But are they as simple to set up and administer as TWiki? __ Ranga Nathan / CSG Systems Programmer - Specialist; Technical Services; BAX Global Inc. Irvine-California Tel: 714-442-7591 Fax: 714-442-2840 Robert J Brenneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 03/15/2005 06:22 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: OT - CMS for Documentation - any recommendations? We use a Wiki here for almost the exact same thing - documenting the system layout, network layout, etc. We're using the tikiwiki flavor found at http://tikiwiki.org Wikis are great for colloberative documentation writing - that's the whole design point. The good thing is that everyone can contribute to writing the doc. The bad thing is also that everyone can contribute to writing the doc. :) The only pain we've had so far is access controls. One of our genius lab monkeys has gotten the system patched into the LDAP authorization system, he said it really wasnt that hard to do. The problem is that the access control mechanisms in the wiki itself ( at least the one we're using ) are a bit cumbersome to use. It may be easier for a small group within a large org to use the built in authorization system and just add the few people who actually need to write the docs, then give global read access to the rest of the org. Jay Brenneman Ranga Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 14/03/2005 14:03 Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject OT - CMS for Documentation - any recommendations? I need a simple but powerful (oxymoron?) content management system to document our z/VM environment. There are 3 production Linux guests running mission-critical applications. I was thinking of using TWiki to maintain our knowledge base but there are scores of open source CMS according http://cmsinfo.org/index.php I would appreciate any feedback - +ve or -ve. I am not keen to start with TWiki and then have to switchover to something else. TIA. __ Ranga Nathan / CSG Systems Programmer - Specialist; Technical Services; BAX Global Inc. Irvine-California Tel: 714-442-7591 Fax: 714-442-2840 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: electrical power - Was: Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:57:44AM -0500, Henry Schaffer wrote: | Even if 208 (derived from 3 phase service) and 220/240 (the normal | single phase service found in homes and small businesses) are all | not-too-far-apart, so that many times one can ignore the difference and | some kinds of equipment will still run fine, it is not always the case - | especially for equipment with motors. (It is my impression that | switching power supplies are extremely tolerant of variations in input | voltage.) | | I've been involved in situations where equipment which was specified | for 220-240V required a boost transformer to run properly. There are multiple different 3 phase voltage standards in the US, mostly due to the original decision to do the 110/220 (now 120/240) split phase system. The early one was 240 delta with one side split for 120 volt stuff. Many power companies no longer provide it for various reasons (one is that they are moving to using wye primary and wye-delta can cause backfeed between phases when one phase is lost). The 208/120 volt wye is now more common for new installs (probably why a boost was required in the situation you had). Then there's 480/277 wye for heavy duty stuff, and the occaisional 600/347 (more common in Canada). Europe has it much simpler with just 400/230 for all but the heavy industrial uses. | P.S. the nominal single phase voltage in the US is 120V (or maybe 115V | - or maybe even 110V :-) It is half of the hot-to-hot voltage | (nominally 240V), and my local power company specifies +/- 5% for | residential use and +/- 10% for other retail. It was 110/220 until around 1940 or so then it went to 115/230 for a while then in the 1950s they went to 120/240. The US was poised to deliver three phase to homes until the Rural Electrification Administration decided to go with single phase for lower costs on those long rural lines. FYI, if you get your power from a decent three phase generator, you can usually adjust the regulator over a rather wide range of voltage, usually 25 to 30 percent or so. If you need 240 volt delta, set the regulator for 240/139 if it's wired for wye and don't try to run anything else on it. -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: boot disk for Slack390
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 11:44:41AM -0500, Post, Mark K wrote: | Phil, | | Are you trying to actually IPL from the CD reader in the HMC? Or something | else? Let me know specifically, and I'll see if I can help. | | All methods of IPLing the installation kernels involve the same three files: | kernel | parmfile | initrd (ramdisk) | | | Mark Post What I want to do is set it up on a CDROM so it would be bootable from the CDROM. I read the docs on the files for emulating tape from files, either one big file for a whole multi-file tape, or file-per-file. What was not said was specifically what name is looked for in actual IPL-ing, or how it knows which name. I do know how x86 PCs and Sun Sparc machines boot. And I do know how mainframes IPL from normal devices like DASD, TAPE, CTCA. I would have originally guessed that CDROM would work like DASD, but the docs say its a set of files instead of a set of sectors, so it must be more like El Torito than it is like how Sun Sparc boots. I can probably figure what I want to know from instruction steps to build a bootable CDROM from these 3 files. But I tend to prefer having info in the form of here's how it works rather than here's what to do (makes it easier to adapt to doing different things). FYI, my intention is to build a bootable ISO image with a subset of Linux that can boot from several architectures. I already have x86 and Sparc on a single CDROM. It looks like I could add S390 if it doesn't need to use the first 3 sectors. PPC will be my next target and that may conflict with Sparc, so I may end up with S390/SPARC/X86 and S390/PPC/X86 disks. But if possible, I'm definitely shooting for an S390/PPC/SPARC/X86 disk (fitting all three or four into a 170 MB mini-CD will then be the next challenge). -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: z/VM4.3 - 4.4 guestlan stops working . . .
That did it. I hadn't added the SPECIAL entries for the TCPIP machine. Thanks for the help. Chris -Original Message- From: Alan Altmark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:59 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM4.3 - 4.4 guestlan stops working . . . On Tuesday, 03/15/2005 at 04:12 CST, Little, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've essentially taken the 4.3 profile.tcpip and mproute.config and changed it to reflect new ip addresses (running concurrently with 4.3 in a different lpar). While TCPIP starts fine and I can tn3270 to z/VM, the 4.4 guestlan doesn't work. When TCPIP starts, it has the following error for the guestans : DTCOSD045E OSD device VLAN1: Error getting XA subchannel id for device FE00 DTCOSD082E OSD shutting down . . . DTCOSD045E OSD device VLAN2: Error getting XA subchannel id for device FF00 DTCOSD082E OSD shutting down These errors indicate that devies FE00-FE02 and FF00-FF02 have not been ATTACHed to the TCPIP server, whether via DEDICATE statements in the directory, or the use of the :Attach tag in DTCPARMS. (DEDICATE failures don't appear in the console log since those messages occur before the virtual console is ready.) You may not have those devices at your disposal. It all depends on how the OSA was defined in the IOCDS. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Presentations from March 15 Hillgang meeting available for do wnlo ad
And I've added pointers to SNA's site on the presentation page on linuxvm.org. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:06 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Presentations from March 15 Hillgang meeting available for downlo ad Most of the presentations from the March 15 Hillgang meeting are available for download from http://sinenomine.net/vm/hillgang-15-mar-2005. Feel free to download at your leisure. A public thanks to the presenters for an excellent session. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: electrical power - Was: Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
During the energy crises in the 70s we went to 110/220. The we may be the west coast. Some places I have measured as low as 90V. This tends to make things malfunction. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:49 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: electrical power - Was: Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390) On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:57:44AM -0500, Henry Schaffer wrote: | Even if 208 (derived from 3 phase service) and 220/240 (the normal | single phase service found in homes and small businesses) are all | not-too-far-apart, so that many times one can ignore the difference and | some kinds of equipment will still run fine, it is not always the case - | especially for equipment with motors. (It is my impression that | switching power supplies are extremely tolerant of variations in input | voltage.) | | I've been involved in situations where equipment which was specified | for 220-240V required a boost transformer to run properly. There are multiple different 3 phase voltage standards in the US, mostly due to the original decision to do the 110/220 (now 120/240) split phase system. The early one was 240 delta with one side split for 120 volt stuff. Many power companies no longer provide it for various reasons (one is that they are moving to using wye primary and wye-delta can cause backfeed between phases when one phase is lost). The 208/120 volt wye is now more common for new installs (probably why a boost was required in the situation you had). Then there's 480/277 wye for heavy duty stuff, and the occaisional 600/347 (more common in Canada). Europe has it much simpler with just 400/230 for all but the heavy industrial uses. | P.S. the nominal single phase voltage in the US is 120V (or maybe 115V | - or maybe even 110V :-) It is half of the hot-to-hot voltage | (nominally 240V), and my local power company specifies +/- 5% for | residential use and +/- 10% for other retail. It was 110/220 until around 1940 or so then it went to 115/230 for a while then in the 1950s they went to 120/240. The US was poised to deliver three phase to homes until the Rural Electrification Administration decided to go with single phase for lower costs on those long rural lines. FYI, if you get your power from a decent three phase generator, you can usually adjust the regulator over a rather wide range of voltage, usually 25 to 30 percent or so. If you need 240 volt delta, set the regulator for 240/139 if it's wired for wye and don't try to run anything else on it. -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Presentations from March 15 Hillgang meeting available for do wnlo ad
Hi Mark. This may be a dumb question, but everytime I look at linuxvm.org, I find that most of the stuff on the first page is from early 2003. That doesn't lead me to believe that this site is being maintained. I do have a refreshed page as the Last updated on: Tuesday March 15, 2005 would lead me to believe that I do have a refreshed copy. Just a suggestion, perhaps you can move the old stuff to a historical area. The home page of a website should always appear to be current and have pointers to the useful information. I assume that the links on the left side of the page, point to current info, but you couldn't tell by the home page. Perhaps expanding the left column to include a last updated date field for each link. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/05 12:21 PM And I've added pointers to SNA's site on the presentation page on linuxvm.org. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT - CMS for Documentation - any recommendations?
Never used any of those. Also - if you didn't know, there are many implementations of the wiki idea - TWiki is just one. You should probably look for a Wiki that is implemented in a technology that you're familiar with. Twiki is a big Perl CGI script. TikiWiki is done in PHP, there are many others. You can always try as many out as you have time to look at. Jay Brenneman Ranga Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 16/03/2005 12:15 Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: OT - CMS for Documentation - any recommendations? TWiki is meant for sharing info. It was not built with security in mind, rather it was an after-thought. For group sharing and documentation I like TWiki. However before I go full steam ahead, I want to look at the alternatives. Apache Lenya, Bricoloage, Drupal - they all look good. But are they as simple to set up and administer as TWiki? __ Ranga Nathan / CSG Systems Programmer - Specialist; Technical Services; BAX Global Inc. Irvine-California Tel: 714-442-7591 Fax: 714-442-2840 Robert J Brenneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 03/15/2005 06:22 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: OT - CMS for Documentation - any recommendations? We use a Wiki here for almost the exact same thing - documenting the system layout, network layout, etc. We're using the tikiwiki flavor found at http://tikiwiki.org Wikis are great for colloberative documentation writing - that's the whole design point. The good thing is that everyone can contribute to writing the doc. The bad thing is also that everyone can contribute to writing the doc. :) The only pain we've had so far is access controls. One of our genius lab monkeys has gotten the system patched into the LDAP authorization system, he said it really wasnt that hard to do. The problem is that the access control mechanisms in the wiki itself ( at least the one we're using ) are a bit cumbersome to use. It may be easier for a small group within a large org to use the built in authorization system and just add the few people who actually need to write the docs, then give global read access to the rest of the org. Jay Brenneman Ranga Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 14/03/2005 14:03 Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject OT - CMS for Documentation - any recommendations? I need a simple but powerful (oxymoron?) content management system to document our z/VM environment. There are 3 production Linux guests running mission-critical applications. I was thinking of using TWiki to maintain our knowledge base but there are scores of open source CMS according http://cmsinfo.org/index.php I would appreciate any feedback - +ve or -ve. I am not keen to start with TWiki and then have to switchover to something else. TIA. __ Ranga Nathan / CSG Systems Programmer - Specialist; Technical Services; BAX Global Inc. Irvine-California Tel: 714-442-7591 Fax: 714-442-2840 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Linux and mainframe tape drives
I guess about 6 - 8 months ago, I read a document, perhaps a redbook, redpiece...concerning IBM 3590 tape drives and Linux on the mainframe. I made a mental note about it as we were in the process of getting a couple 3590s. Now it is time to try to use the 3590s with Linux and my mental note, is blank. No indication on where this document was. But I believe that it was about the installation, customization and usage of 3590s on Suse, and I think it was Suse 8. Well, I'm looking for that base document, in order to use the drives on Suse 9, and I just can't find it. I also keep getting distracted by other documents and presentations on all sorts of subjects I'm interested in (which, keeps me from getting the 3590s operational). Anyway, does anyone have a link or pointer to this/these documents? Thanks Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: 9672 power requirements
At about 20 kbTU/hr, you could heat your house with it, too. The 20 KBTU/hr is probably a bit too low. The 990 varies between 18 and 53 KBTU/hr. The G5 probably took more than that. PS The input power is 15.8 kW and the heat output is 53.73 KBTU/hr. This keaves 195 W for noise and MIPS. -- Rob van der Heij rvdheij @ gmail.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT Mainframes (was: 9672 power requirements)
Thanks for the SIGMA stories. They bring back memories from when I was in graduate school. I used a SIGMA - 7 in 1971 at the Argonne National Laboratory High Energy Physics Division in Illinois to analyze elementary particle events captured on bubble chamber film. I can still recall the day when the Xerox CE arrived to install a memory upgrade, which consisted of a 64 KB array of ferrite donuts. It sounds laughable today but at the time it seemed like an engineering marvel. - doug Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] tb.ca.gov To Sent by: Linux on LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 390 Port cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU Subject Re: OT Mainframes (was: 9672 power requirements) 03/16/2005 12:01 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU I didn't use CP-V much, but I do remember some odd things about the command line. There is a subtle difference in copy file1 to file2, copy file1 over file2, and copy file1 after file2. I thought someone should have written a rename command. Once I miss-typed a command and managed to redirect all output to a file (for all commands following as well). I ended up logging out and back in to correct it. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Campbell Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:53 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: OT Mainframes (was: 9672 power requirements) The OS for the Xerox Sigma-7 (and Sigma-9s) was called CP-V (Control Program five) and the JCL was, IIRC, called PCL (a pickle deck). Honeywell took over the 'puter business but didn't do much with it. The CEs had a diagnostic tape that included System EXercisers (which could be launched by the command SEX or NEW) and the first program on the tape was called hardcore to ensure that all of the instructions in the system still worked. Instead of Z EOD the operator typed ZAP, the KSR-35 would do a little dance and type out THAT'S ALL FOLKS and the CPU speaker would play the Star Spangled Banner. (shakes head) It was a fun system. though there were some oddities. For instance, CP-V could be crashed by running 256 B *+1s in a row (because the CPU stalled in re-filling the pipeline and locked out the HS-RAD). cat file was spelled copy file to me... and it had the first meta-assembler I've ever seen. I used to hand-assemble some programs and toggle 'em in. I learned about channel programming on that beast. I went from those to TI-960s in late 1977 and then to UNIVAC 1100s in 1979. John R. Campbell, Speaker to Machines (GNUrd) (813) 356-5322 (t/l 697) Adsumo ergo raptus sum MacOS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows. Red Hat Certified Engineer (#803004680310286) IBM Certified: IBM AIX 4.3 System Administration, System Support - Forwarded by John Campbell/Tampa/IBM on 03/16/2005 11:45 AM - Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU tb.ca.gov cc: Sent by: Linux onSubject: Re: [LINUX-390] 9672 power requirements 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU 03/16/2005 11:35 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port I was going to ignore the could heat your house comment, but since David didn't. I heard this second hand, so I don't know how true it is. I heard that someone bought an old Sigma 7 and put it in his basement. Since it put out a lot of heat he connected it up to his heating ducts and used the Sigma 7 to heat his house. The Sigma computer systems were made by Sigma Data Systems, which was bought by Xerox. Xerox eventually left the computer business leaving Sigma customers without support. The university I graduated from had three Sigma 9s that they were still using when I graduated. Actually one was for parts for the other two. One of the professors there actually ported the Unix PCC C compiler to the Sigma operating system (I can't remember what the OS was called). -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:47 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: 9672 power requirements At about 20 kbTU/hr, you could heat your house with it, too. Funny story: I can confirm this fact. This winter (which has been particularly cold in the
LVM - maximum PV's?
On a SUSE SLES8 system I've created an LVM with 15 full mod-3 3390's and 8 mod-9's. I cannot get the 9th mod-9 to becoem a member of LVM. the pvcreate appears to work OK, but the volume is not on the pvscan list, nor included in the vgdisplay total. Any ideas? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: boot disk for Slack390
Since I don't have access to an LPAR and HMC, I cannot document anything that I _know_ works specifically for Slack/390. Essentially, you just need to create your CD with the three starter files in some directory name of your choosing. Then, you'll need to create a .ins file to point to them. path/to/dir/tapeinstall.image-2.4.26.gcc-3.3.4.img 0x path/to/dir/initrd.gz 0x0080 path/to/dir/parmfile.txt 0x00010480 The hex values after the file names are storage locations, and represent what I've seen in .ins files for Red Hat and SUSE. I have no idea how those values are derived, or if anything might cause them to be changed. Also, note that the path/to/dir is _relative_ to the location of the .ins file itself, not the root of the CD. All of this is documented (sort of) in the Distributions Redbook (I just used it to refresh my memory). http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/RedbookAbstracts/sg246264.html Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:07 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: boot disk for Slack390 On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 11:44:41AM -0500, Post, Mark K wrote: | Phil, | | Are you trying to actually IPL from the CD reader in the HMC? Or | something else? Let me know specifically, and I'll see if I can help. | | All methods of IPLing the installation kernels involve the same three | files: kernel parmfile | initrd (ramdisk) | | | Mark Post What I want to do is set it up on a CDROM so it would be bootable from the CDROM. I read the docs on the files for emulating tape from files, either one big file for a whole multi-file tape, or file-per-file. What was not said was specifically what name is looked for in actual IPL-ing, or how it knows which name. I do know how x86 PCs and Sun Sparc machines boot. And I do know how mainframes IPL from normal devices like DASD, TAPE, CTCA. I would have originally guessed that CDROM would work like DASD, but the docs say its a set of files instead of a set of sectors, so it must be more like El Torito than it is like how Sun Sparc boots. I can probably figure what I want to know from instruction steps to build a bootable CDROM from these 3 files. But I tend to prefer having info in the form of here's how it works rather than here's what to do (makes it easier to adapt to doing different things). FYI, my intention is to build a bootable ISO image with a subset of Linux that can boot from several architectures. I already have x86 and Sparc on a single CDROM. It looks like I could add S390 if it doesn't need to use the first 3 sectors. PPC will be my next target and that may conflict with Sparc, so I may end up with S390/SPARC/X86 and S390/PPC/X86 disks. But if possible, I'm definitely shooting for an S390/PPC/SPARC/X86 disk (fitting all three or four into a 170 MB mini-CD will then be the next challenge). -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: LVM - maximum PV's?
My first thought, is you ran out of letters G. As in DASDA, DASDB, DASDC I recall something about a method of being able to use dual letters such as DASDAA, DASDAB, DASDAC ... Do a /proc/dasd/devices and see if you are at DASDZ... Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/05 1:47 PM On a SUSE SLES8 system I've created an LVM with 15 full mod-3 3390's and 8 mod-9's. I cannot get the 9th mod-9 to becoem a member of LVM. the pvcreate appears to work OK, but the volume is not on the pvscan list, nor included in the vgdisplay total. Any ideas? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: LVM - maximum PV's?
Is there a device defined for it in the /dev directory? For example, /dev/dasdaa, /dev/dasdaa1, /dev/dasdaa2, /dev/dasdaa3. You can create them with the mknod command. Patrick Kelly System Programmer State Teachers Retirement System of Ohio Information Technology Services (ITS) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 614-227-2908 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kinnear, Mike Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:47 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: LVM - maximum PV's? On a SUSE SLES8 system I've created an LVM with 15 full mod-3 3390's and 8 mod-9's. I cannot get the 9th mod-9 to becoem a member of LVM. the pvcreate appears to work OK, but the volume is not on the pvscan list, nor included in the vgdisplay total. Any ideas? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Presentations from March 15 Hillgang meeting available for do wnload
I've brought this up a few times before in the list. I haven't had time to keep up with the mailing list traffic, so that has stagnated. The rest of the site is pretty well current, however. I'm still not sure what to do about all this. Others have recommended using some sort of content management system for the site. None of those run on z/VM-CMS so far as I'm aware, and that's where the site is hosted. I don't own the domain name, so I can't arbitrarily move the site to a different host. The domain name has gotten reasonably famous so I don't really want to use a different one. Moving all the old stuff off, and having a largely blank main page doesn't sound very attractive. Adding last updated tags to each link would be way too busy/cluttered, so I don't think I'll do that. I'm still considering what I'm going to do. I'll let the list know what it is. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:51 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Presentations from March 15 Hillgang meeting available for do wnlo ad Hi Mark. This may be a dumb question, but everytime I look at linuxvm.org, I find that most of the stuff on the first page is from early 2003. That doesn't lead me to believe that this site is being maintained. I do have a refreshed page as the Last updated on: Tuesday March 15, 2005 would lead me to believe that I do have a refreshed copy. Just a suggestion, perhaps you can move the old stuff to a historical area. The home page of a website should always appear to be current and have pointers to the useful information. I assume that the links on the left side of the page, point to current info, but you couldn't tell by the home page. Perhaps expanding the left column to include a last updated date field for each link. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Running GnuPG on Debian 390.
I installed the gpg package using apt-get install on my Debian Woody 390 system. I need to use RSA or Diffie-Helman keys, but the version of GNUPG that came in the package I installed dosen't seem to support either. I tried building the latest version from source, but I am getting an error on the compile: compress.c:29: zlib.h No such file or directory. I don't really need the latest version. I just need a version current enought to support one of the above key types (RSA or DH. The version I have installed is 1.0.6. Any ideas? Thanks, Rod Clayton -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: boot disk for Slack390
On Wednesday, 03/16/2005 at 10:09 CST, Phil Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there is still missing documentation info. Is there a specific NAME that is accessed in the /tapes directory? Or is it like EL TORITO and it stores which name somewhere in the ISO header blocks? Or does someone have a small ISO image that can be booted that I can dissect and perhaps get the needed info? Sorry for not being clear. The ISO images have no idea of the tape file names. They just issue READ CCW's to a tape drive. The mapping to file name occurs completely within the tape emulator. It has a cursor that moves byte-by-byte through the files listed in the TDF. If you rewind the tape and IPL from it, the first 24 bytes from the first file listed in the TDF area read in and control is transferred to the loaded channel program. That program continues to read from the tape starting at byte 25. Whether that's the same file or the next file in the TDF is transparent to the channel program. The different files that make up a CD can be in any directory on the CD. It is the TDF that specifies the files. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: boot disk for Slack390
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 02:56:21PM -0500, Post, Mark K wrote: | Since I don't have access to an LPAR and HMC, I cannot document anything | that I _know_ works specifically for Slack/390. Essentially, you just need | to create your CD with the three starter files in some directory name of | your choosing. Then, you'll need to create a .ins file to point to them. What is an HMC? I haven't worked with IBM mainframe hardware for about 12 years. | path/to/dir/tapeinstall.image-2.4.26.gcc-3.3.4.img 0x | path/to/dir/initrd.gz 0x0080 | path/to/dir/parmfile.txt 0x00010480 | | The hex values after the file names are storage locations, and represent | what I've seen in .ins files for Red Hat and SUSE. I have no idea how those | values are derived, or if anything might cause them to be changed. If these files are being used to emulate a tape drive, I'm curious how these hex values get passed through. I would think that each read ccw on the tape drive would read some content from the file, until EOF, then skip to the next file. If I were to put these files on a real tape, the hex values wouldn't even be there. | Also, note that the path/to/dir is _relative_ to the location of the .ins | file itself, not the root of the CD. And where does the .ins file get put? This is the big question I have been asking and so far has been missing from all online documents. They do a lot of description to where I believe I can create the files with my own code if I were to need to, but the info on making the CD bootable is still missing. | All of this is documented (sort of) in the Distributions Redbook (I just | used it to refresh my memory). | http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/RedbookAbstracts/sg246264.html I think I've seen this one, but I currently don't find it in my list so I am downloading it right now. I'll check it out. -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Migration to new disk devices
The output from running a mkinitrd command contained the following message Make sure to add 'dasd=dasd-range' to the kernel command line Can someone enlighten me where I need to add the line to my kernel command line I am running SuSE Linux 2.6.5-7.145-s390x in a LPAR without VM TIA Doug -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: boot disk for Slack390
On Wednesday, 03/16/2005 at 04:37 CST, Phil Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 02:56:21PM -0500, Post, Mark K wrote: | Since I don't have access to an LPAR and HMC, I cannot document anything | that I _know_ works specifically for Slack/390. Essentially, you just need | to create your CD with the three starter files in some directory name of | your choosing. Then, you'll need to create a .ins file to point to them. What is an HMC? I haven't worked with IBM mainframe hardware for about 12 years. | path/to/dir/tapeinstall.image-2.4.26.gcc-3.3.4.img 0x | path/to/dir/initrd.gz 0x0080 | path/to/dir/parmfile.txt 0x00010480 | | The hex values after the file names are storage locations, and represent | what I've seen in .ins files for Red Hat and SUSE. I have no idea how those | values are derived, or if anything might cause them to be changed. If these files are being used to emulate a tape drive, I'm curious how these hex values get passed through. I would think that each read ccw on the tape drive would read some content from the file, until EOF, then skip to the next file. If I were to put these files on a real tape, the hex values wouldn't even be there. Confusion abounds. The Hardware Management Console (HMC) has a CD/DVD drive in it that can read specially-formatted discs as Mark describes. It does not emulate a tape drive but is a function built directly into the machine. That is, the HMC drive does not appear as a device within the I/O subsystem. Booting a partition from this drive causes a binary image to be loaded from the drive into memory WITHOUT the use of traditional IPL processing. You cannot boot the HMC DVD drive into a second-level guest because there is no way to give (from the h/w perspective) the HMC DVD to a partition and, hence, no way to use it with a guest. 3422 tape emulation using Optical Media Attach (OMA) format is done on Multiprise 3000, FLEX-ES, and the IBM 2074-2. IBM-provided CDs (not DVDs!!) will contain a /tapes directory and a TDF. Things on here are IPLable using traditional IPL processing. Because it is a real device, you can attach it to a second-level guest and IPL the guest from it. You have to decide which kind of device you're going to be using: An emulated tape or the HMC DVD drive. How you use them and how you build them are wy different. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: boot disk for Slack390
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 04:16:42PM -0500, Alan Altmark wrote: | On Wednesday, 03/16/2005 at 10:09 CST, Phil Howard | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | But there is still missing documentation info. Is there a specific NAME | that is accessed in the /tapes directory? Or is it like EL TORITO and | it stores which name somewhere in the ISO header blocks? | | Or does someone have a small ISO image that can be booted that I can | dissect and perhaps get the needed info? | | Sorry for not being clear. The ISO images have no idea of the tape file | names. They just issue READ CCW's to a tape drive. The ISO filesystem would have the file names in its directory, but it would have no idea of the purpose being applied here. Booting a CD on a PC is done in a strange way, too. Sector 17 has a boot record that points (sector number?) to a boot catalog, which has entries for a number of purposes for boot images. These entries end up point to exact sectors of data, and apparently don't use file names at all. During ISO filesystem creation, or thereafter, a program such as mkisofs can find the specified images and construct these entries with appropriate pointers. I suspect part of the reason for the complexity was to avoid implementing the ISO-9660 filesystem in BIOS and having it search for names at boot time. It's not unlike how LILO works on a PC, where it builds a list of harddrive sectors. Things are stored in files, but the path to the data is all done by locating where the data blocks for the files are, and pointing that way. | The mapping to file name occurs completely within the tape emulator. It | has a cursor that moves byte-by-byte through the files listed in the | TDF. If you rewind the tape and IPL from it, the first 24 bytes from the | first file listed in the TDF area read in and control is transferred to | the loaded channel program. That program continues to read from the tape | starting at byte 25. Whether that's the same file or the next file in the | TDF is transparent to the channel program. | | The different files that make up a CD can be in any directory on the CD. | It is the TDF that specifies the files. When the IPL READ CCW is performed, exactly where on the CD does the tape emulator go to get the list of the files? Does it look for a specific name? Or does it do like El Torito and use a sector with some kind of catalog information that points to these files, either by name or by data sector? What program would be used to make an ISO image bootable? -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Presentations from March 15 Hillgang meeting available for do wnload
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 03:55:23PM -0500, Post, Mark K wrote: | I've brought this up a few times before in the list. I haven't had time to | keep up with the mailing list traffic, so that has stagnated. The rest of | the site is pretty well current, however. | | I'm still not sure what to do about all this. Others have recommended using | some sort of content management system for the site. None of those run on | z/VM-CMS so far as I'm aware, and that's where the site is hosted. I don't | own the domain name, so I can't arbitrarily move the site to a different | host. The domain name has gotten reasonably famous so I don't really want | to use a different one. But you do know who owns it? And they delegate site management to you? Can you get a different hostname in the domain and redirect? | Moving all the old stuff off, and having a largely blank main page doesn't | sound very attractive. Adding last updated tags to each link would be way | too busy/cluttered, so I don't think I'll do that. As old as the stuff is, I don't think it matters either way. Do you have the ability to put any static content in place? Perhaps the site could be used as a static cache for content managed somewhere else. -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: boot disk for Slack390
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 02:56:21PM -0500, Post, Mark K wrote: | All of this is documented (sort of) in the Distributions Redbook (I just | used it to refresh my memory). | http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/RedbookAbstracts/sg246264.html Got this and reading. Can you confirm my summarization: There is no specific default .ins file. IPL-ing by CDROM cannot be made automatic (short of reprogramming the HMC system, I suppose). Someone has to pick the specific .ins file to be used. And then, the CDROM is not available as a data device. But what if a 4th file is listed? Would that file be readable as the 4th tape file on the emulated tape? If a 4th file is not supported, one could use the rootfs feature in place of the initrd feature, and load system install code there. Hopefully, the kernel loader won't do a 3rd file read from the tape in case of no initrd (the parm file would say this ... and I'm not above a little code hacking). Then the early userspace code would run from rootfs via /init and proceed read that 3rd file from tape to extract even more files in some format like bzipped tar/cpio. My goal is to build a multi-arch Live CD (sans X) for administrative use, e.g. typically a rescue CD, but some variant purposes could also be done. I already can do this for PC/x86 and Sun Sparc. I want to add S/390 and PPC capability (all one one CD). This Live system would NOT need the CD at run time (so this limitation in the HMC would be moot); everything would be loaded into rootfs/ramfs (40 MB to 150 MB depending on version). So anyway, this looks like it's doable except that it has to be done on a manual interactive basis for S/390, unless the HMC can somehow be programmed to automatically IPL a specific .ins file upon unattended power-up. -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Is the diag dasd module in SLES9?
I'm in the process of installing the 64-bit version of SLES9. If I do a lsmod, I don't see the dasd_diag module to be able to use diag minidisks. doing a modprobe on dasd_diag_mod gives me a fatal error: not found. doing a find for dasd_diag* shows me the .c and .h files for it, but I can't find a .ko file to load. Is the diag module included with 64-bit sles9 and I'm just using the wrong name? Do I have to compile it myself? If so, does anyone have any instructions on doing so? Are there any problems with using the diag module on 64-bit SLES9? A statesman is a dead politician. Lord knows we need more statesmen! --Berkeley Breathed Gordon Wolfe, Ph.D. Boeing Shared Services Group Enterprise Servers VM Technical Services 425-865-5940 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Is the diag dasd module in SLES9?
I thought there was no diag support for 64bit. Marcy Cortes WFS Enterprise Hosting Services - VM Linux ( This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolfe, Gordon W Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 16:02 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] Is the diag dasd module in SLES9? I'm in the process of installing the 64-bit version of SLES9. If I do a lsmod, I don't see the dasd_diag module to be able to use diag minidisks. doing a modprobe on dasd_diag_mod gives me a fatal error: not found. doing a find for dasd_diag* shows me the .c and .h files for it, but I can't find a .ko file to load. Is the diag module included with 64-bit sles9 and I'm just using the wrong name? Do I have to compile it myself? If so, does anyone have any instructions on doing so? Are there any problems with using the diag module on 64-bit SLES9? A statesman is a dead politician. Lord knows we need more statesmen! --Berkeley Breathed Gordon Wolfe, Ph.D. Boeing Shared Services Group Enterprise Servers VM Technical Services 425-865-5940 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: LVM - maximum PV's?
On a SUSE SLES8 system I've created an LVM with 15 full mod-3 3390's and 8 mod-9's. I cannot get the 9th mod-9 to becoem a member of LVM. the pvcreate appears to work OK, but the volume is not on the pvscan list, nor included in the vgdisplay total. Any ideas? Check /proc/devices. If dasd shows up multiple times (not only major 94) you are most probably running out of device nodes. In this case you can create new ones using mknod, the major/minor numbers of the dasds can be found in /proc/dasd/devices. like this: mknod /dev/dasdabc b major minor mknod /dev/dasdabc1 b major minor+1 mknod /dev/dasdabc2 b major minor+2 mknod /dev/dasdabc3 b major minor+3 (no more, we only have 3 partitions and minor+4 belongs to a different volume) with kind regards Carsten Otte IBM Linux Technology Center / Boeblingen lab -- omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est Kinnear, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 16/03/2005 08:47 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc: Subject:LVM - maximum PV's? On a SUSE SLES8 system I've created an LVM with 15 full mod-3 3390's and 8 mod-9's. I cannot get the 9th mod-9 to becoem a member of LVM. the pvcreate appears to work OK, but the volume is not on the pvscan list, nor included in the vgdisplay total. Any ideas? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Is the diag dasd module in SLES9?
There is not. When I started playing with my 64-bit Slack/390 stuff, I had to change my VDISK swap disk to FBA. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cortes, Marcy D. Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:13 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Is the diag dasd module in SLES9? I thought there was no diag support for 64bit. Marcy Cortes WFS Enterprise Hosting Services - VM Linux ( This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolfe, Gordon W Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 16:02 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] Is the diag dasd module in SLES9? I'm in the process of installing the 64-bit version of SLES9. If I do a lsmod, I don't see the dasd_diag module to be able to use diag minidisks. doing a modprobe on dasd_diag_mod gives me a fatal error: not found. doing a find for dasd_diag* shows me the .c and .h files for it, but I can't find a .ko file to load. Is the diag module included with 64-bit sles9 and I'm just using the wrong name? Do I have to compile it myself? If so, does anyone have any instructions on doing so? Are there any problems with using the diag module on 64-bit SLES9? A statesman is a dead politician. Lord knows we need more statesmen! --Berkeley Breathed Gordon Wolfe, Ph.D. Boeing Shared Services Group Enterprise Servers VM Technical Services 425-865-5940 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Migration to new disk devices
Most likely in /etc/zipl.conf Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:52 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Migration to new disk devices The output from running a mkinitrd command contained the following message Make sure to add 'dasd=dasd-range' to the kernel command line Can someone enlighten me where I need to add the line to my kernel command line I am running SuSE Linux 2.6.5-7.145-s390x in a LPAR without VM TIA Doug -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: boot disk for Slack390
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 05:58:00PM -0500, Alan Altmark wrote: | Confusion abounds. The Hardware Management Console (HMC) has a CD/DVD | drive in it that can read specially-formatted discs as Mark describes. It | does not emulate a tape drive but is a function built directly into the | machine. That is, the HMC drive does not appear as a device within the | I/O subsystem. Booting a partition from this drive causes a binary image | to be loaded from the drive into memory WITHOUT the use of traditional IPL | processing. You cannot boot the HMC DVD drive into a second-level guest | because there is no way to give (from the h/w perspective) the HMC DVD | to a partition and, hence, no way to use it with a guest. | | 3422 tape emulation using Optical Media Attach (OMA) format is done on | Multiprise 3000, FLEX-ES, and the IBM 2074-2. IBM-provided CDs (not | DVDs!!) will contain a /tapes directory and a TDF. Things on here are | IPLable using traditional IPL processing. Because it is a real device, | you can attach it to a second-level guest and IPL the guest from it. So which TDF file does it default to using for an IPL? | You have to decide which kind of device you're going to be using: An | emulated tape or the HMC DVD drive. How you use them and how you build | them are wy different. Thanks for helping to clarify more of this. This seems to be worthy of a web page of its own. So if I have these files from Slack390: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/slack390/slack390-10.0/kernels 2628 ls -lG total 12960 -rw-r--r--1 phil 857 Feb 17 00:39 CHECKSUMS.s390.md5 -rw-r--r--1 phil 1016 Feb 17 00:38 FILE_LIST.s390 -rw-r--r--1 phil 9284531 Feb 16 11:41 initrd.gz -rw-r--r--1 phil 45 Jul 5 2004 parmfile.txt -rw-r--r--1 phil 7402 Feb 7 00:02 parmfile.values.txt -rw-r--r--1 phil 326 Jul 5 2004 tape.sample.parmfile.txt -rw-r--r--1 phil 2107648 Jul 4 2004 tapeinstall.image-2.4.26.gcc-3.3.4.img -rw-r--r--1 phil 452 Jul 5 2004 vm.sample.parmfile.txt -rw-r--r--1 phil 2107648 Jul 4 2004 vminstall.image-2.4.26.gcc-3.3.4.img [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/slack390/slack390-10.0/kernels 2629 I could use them with the OMA tape emulation. But what about with HMC? Now it sounds like the HMC drive won't be usable for what I want to do. -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: boot disk for Slack390
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:25 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: boot disk for Slack390 -snip- So which TDF file does it default to using for an IPL? None. There are no defaults. You have to specify what you want. -snip- So if I have these files from Slack390: -snip- I could use them with the OMA tape emulation. But what about with HMC? Now it sounds like the HMC drive won't be usable for what I want to do. Two different methods. The tape emulation used the .tdf file. IPLing from a CDROM on the HMC uses the .ins file. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
