Re: Data detector present
Oh, that's really cool. I'm so glad to know what that is. Funny, I thought maybe voice over was letting me know there was someone watching my activity on my computer. :) How would you add it to address book or ical? Would you select the e-mail address or date and then use a context menu with vo plus shift plus m? Christina On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Jes Smith wrote: Christina, This happens whenever Mail encounters dates or email addresses, so you can add them to either ICal or address book. It's just a way to have that particular data pasteD into a new entry so you don't have to type it in yourself. I'm not sure there is a way to turn that announcement off, but it's rather nice to have around. On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Christina wrote: Hi all, In some of my e-mails voiceover announces data detector present every few words or sentences or so. Does anyone know why this might be happening? It's just kind of weird and I do not know what this means or how to stop this from occurring. I had never heard this before the upgrade. Any ideas? It does not seem to affect the performance but it is odd and somewhat annoying. Thanks so much, Christina --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: getting an individuals email address
Hi, I miss the menu button. However, if you select the text with the name/ e-mail address in the from area then you can use vo plus shift plus m. At least that worked for me. I do not know of an easier way to select the text other than to use vo plus enter to start highlighting/ selecting the text then using vo plus enter to end selecting the text. Then you can use vo plus shift plus m. I hope that helps. Christina On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: Interact with the message content area and move the vo cursor over the message headers and enter act with it. Or, if you are reading a message, stop interacting with the body text and move vo up to the headers. In leopard, vo saw the address as a menu button. I've just noticed that now it doesn't. Nor does vo-space, or vo-shft-m work on it. Now you have to route the mouse to the address and shft-click to get the menu. On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, not sure if this has been covered before, but i would like to get a persons emal address who posts to the macvisionarie slist, i nwindows you can do this by standing on the name and then getting the ctrl-f10 menu and doing settings. Can i do this on the mac? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh
Haha you *are pretty naive. We have to remember that RFBD don't just serve the blind, but also people with other print disabilities. J On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: If RFBD made it, and it's for the blind and disabled, wouldn't that naturally probably mean it's accessible? Maybe I'm very naive but... Chris. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of michael A. Babcock Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:26 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh is this software accessible? I don't wanna spend $125 on it, from rfbd, and find out it's not accessible. thanks mike Victor Reader Soft Macintosh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A solution for stopping voiceover from saying empty in the contacts table in Adium
Awesome thank you so much. J On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:37 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Hi all,a friend of mine who's not on this list, was playing with verbosity settings, and we found that if you go under list, and customise it so that the status isn't spoken, this will fix the problem of voiceover saying empty in the contacts table of Adium. So for those who were finding that to be annoying, there's a solution. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: Spaces keyboard shortcuts
surely this is not right see my original message to accessibility Begin forwarded message: From: Accessibility accessibil...@apple.com Date: 9 September 2009 07:27:26 GMT+01:00 To: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Spaces keyboard shortcuts Hi William: Command-tab switches between all running applications no matter which space they are in. This is how it is intended. On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:53 AM, william lomas wrote: Hello to the accessibility team at Apple,, In snowleopard, can one use command tab to switch between applications in the currently active space, rather than cycling between all open applications in all spaces? For example if in space 1 I have safari, mail and adium, I would prefer if possible as is the case in Linux, to be able to press command tab and hear safari, adium, mail for example. If in space 2 I had skype and audio highjack pro, in its current itteration, command tab would go safari, adium, mail, audio highjack pro and skype, thereby showing me what is in space 2 as wel las space one. The command tab sequence should in my view, if one is focused on space 1 only go through what is in that current space. If the keyboard shortcuts are broken, can this feature please be considered for a futurue release for voiceover and indeed sighted, users? Regards, WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A solution for stopping voiceover from saying empty in the contacts table in Adium
if you uncheck status though would that mean it would not say list has seven items? What we need now is application specific settings On 9 Sep 2009, at 07:39, Justin Harford wrote: Awesome thank you so much. J On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:37 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Hi all,a friend of mine who's not on this list, was playing with verbosity settings, and we found that if you go under list, and customise it so that the status isn't spoken, this will fix the problem of voiceover saying empty in the contacts table of Adium. So for those who were finding that to be annoying, there's a solution. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
lists was : A solution for stopping voiceover from saying empty in the contacts table in Adium
Justa question in the lists does VO VO say 1 of seven etc if there are seven items and if so can this be changed? Thanks James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:42 AM Subject: Re: A solution for stopping voiceover from saying empty in the contacts table in Adium if you uncheck status though would that mean it would not say list has seven items? What we need now is application specific settings On 9 Sep 2009, at 07:39, Justin Harford wrote: Awesome thank you so much. J On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:37 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Hi all,a friend of mine who's not on this list, was playing with verbosity settings, and we found that if you go under list, and customise it so that the status isn't spoken, this will fix the problem of voiceover saying empty in the contacts table of Adium. So for those who were finding that to be annoying, there's a solution. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Has Arrived
Cool, glad to hear thatyou got your Mac. I'm assuming it has Snow Leopard installled on it. If so,you can hit control-option-h, and go down to the getting started guide, hit return on it, and you'll be taken to a nice HTML version of that. . It's worth looking at for you, since you're just starting out with the mac. On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, May and Wynter wrote: Hi everyone. Now it's my turn to say, my MacBook has arrived and I need help, smile. How do I learn the different keys and such? I save lots of emails about the Mac so I would have them by the time I got mine, but I don't have anything for that. May, I finally have my Mac, yay!! blog: www.true-friends2009.com - Original Message - From: Rich Ring richr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived Indeed it did. However, sluggish performance with Safari is the case whether this adapter is attached or not. On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, dannyboy wrote: Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it? On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote: You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am back to square one. This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store or purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not made by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in the long run. At least I got email to work. On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support and found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi external drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I learned that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to get going! Les __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4407 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Has Arrived
Nice, all the new blind mac owners. I recently spoke with another dutch blind mac owner, who is not on any list but also uses voicover at work. I am glad I am not the only blind dutch person that uses the mac after all and its nice that the general blind mac community seems to be increasing. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Cool, glad to hear thatyou got your Mac. I'm assuming it has Snow Leopard installled on it. If so,you can hit control-option-h, and go down to the getting started guide, hit return on it, and you'll be taken to a nice HTML version of that. . It's worth looking at for you, since you're just starting out with the mac. On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, May and Wynter wrote: Hi everyone. Now it's my turn to say, my MacBook has arrived and I need help, smile. How do I learn the different keys and such? I save lots of emails about the Mac so I would have them by the time I got mine, but I don't have anything for that. May, I finally have my Mac, yay!! blog: www.true-friends2009.com - Original Message - From: Rich Ring richr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived Indeed it did. However, sluggish performance with Safari is the case whether this adapter is attached or not. On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, dannyboy wrote: Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it? On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote: You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am back to square one. This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store or purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not made by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in the long run. At least I got email to work. On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support and found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi external drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I learned that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to get going! Les __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4407 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migration Assistant not recognizing External Hard Drives
Hey thanks for that. Good to know. One question, has anyone been successful in partitioning a hard disc with the disc utility and Voice Over? I can't seem to get too far with partitioning a disc. I am having a hard time selecting a partition in order to name it and set a size etc... If anyone is having luck with this and VO, I'm all ears! Thanks. Esther wrote: Hi Jonathan, Justin, and Others, There's a very good recent article at TidBITS about How to Reformat a New External Hard Disk: http://db.tidbits.com/article/10307 The issue, as Jonathan mentions is that while you can copy files from other drives, even drives that were formatted for Windows, you can't migrate from drives that use a different format structure. What's even more confusing is that there are two Apple partitioning schemes depending on whether you use an Intel Mac (GUID partition table) or older PowerPC Mac (Apple partition table), and while you can boot an Intel Mac from a disk that was created with an Apple partition table, you can't perform system updates, etc. to such a disk. HTH Cheers, Esther On Sep 8, 2009, Jonathan Cohn wrote: I have heard this can happen if the partition map on the external disk is not Apple format. I have heard that when you first get an external disk you should first partition it even if you are only going to use one partition so that you are using Apple's prefered partition tables and not another systems. I Heard on the Mac Jury list to select partition disk, then click on options and then there should be a pop up menu to set the type of partition mapping. I can't test this here right now. Perhaps Mark Taylor who just got a new disk will be willing to test for us. On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Justin Kauflin wrote: Hey everyone, I am stumped. I have just did a clean install of Snow Leopard. I tried running migration assistant, but the assistant doesn't seem to recognize the external hard drives I have plugged in. i was able to use them to make the back ups, and they show up in the side bar in the finder, but when I try to have it restore apps from the external drives, they don't show up. Anybody have any thoughts on why this is. Thanks so much for any feedback. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Spaces keyboard shortcuts
Hmm, imho it makes no sense, but perhaps there's something that I, you, and every other list veteran I can think of has overlooked lol. Seeing as you've got the convo rolling with them this time, perhaps it's worth an email back asking them how you're supposed to efficiently cycle through applications only within the selected space and only using the keyboard. It'll either yield the overlooked answer, or maybe make the penny drop at their end about the problem. Scott On 9/9/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: surely this is not right see my original message to accessibility Begin forwarded message: From: Accessibility accessibil...@apple.com Date: 9 September 2009 07:27:26 GMT+01:00 To: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Spaces keyboard shortcuts Hi William: Command-tab switches between all running applications no matter which space they are in. This is how it is intended. On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:53 AM, william lomas wrote: Hello to the accessibility team at Apple,, In snowleopard, can one use command tab to switch between applications in the currently active space, rather than cycling between all open applications in all spaces? For example if in space 1 I have safari, mail and adium, I would prefer if possible as is the case in Linux, to be able to press command tab and hear safari, adium, mail for example. If in space 2 I had skype and audio highjack pro, in its current itteration, command tab would go safari, adium, mail, audio highjack pro and skype, thereby showing me what is in space 2 as wel las space one. The command tab sequence should in my view, if one is focused on space 1 only go through what is in that current space. If the keyboard shortcuts are broken, can this feature please be considered for a futurue release for voiceover and indeed sighted, users? Regards, WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Initial Experience
Less, you should have received two DVDs with your system and one is a SL restoration disc and the other should contain the optional install software such as iLife. On Sep 9, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Mike, I got the impression from Apple that if it was pre-installed, I would not receive a DVD. I'll call them and see if I can get a DVD for the reason you stated. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:21 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Initial Experience If you have the quick nav feature, then you have snow leopard. It should have came with a dvd or 2 though, in case you need to reinstall. To fix your function keys, go in to system preferences, and choose keyboard. Check the option to use the f keys as standard function keys. On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: I powered up my Mac and did some experimenting. Lots of trial and error, but overall, the system seems very responsive. I thought I was going to have to install Snow Leopard, but I don't seem to have a Snow Leopard DVD. So I tried turning Quick Nav on and received a message that Quick Nav was on. I'm assuming that in fact, Snow Leopard was pre-installed? I'm certainly not unhappy if that's the case, just want to be certain this is the case. I did try bringing up the VO utilities menu with VO F8, but it didn't launch. Any ideas on that one? Also, I noticed that Command F5 started VoiceOver on my MacBook Pro, but the FN key wasn't required along with Command F5. I don't recall changing anything related to System Preferences regarding the behavior of the Function keys, but I certainly could have without realizing it. I went through the setup assistant and have started reviewing the Quick Start VoiceOver tutorial. I'm off to a slow but happy and steady beginning! Les __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4408 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4408 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4408 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4408 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Initial Experience
That is correct, if you want to change this behavior, go to system preferences, keyboard, and check the box that says use f1, f2, etc. as function keys or something to that affect. additionally, you can easily determine if you are running SL by pressing vo-m and choose About this Mac and if it says 10.6 then your running SL. Also, you are now able to simply use command-f5 to bring up VO whether it is a notebook or desktop system. On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: Try holding down the FN while pressing vo+f8. Instead of just vo+f8 it would fn+vo+f8. That's what I have to do with my wireless keyboard to start VoiceOver utility. On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: I powered up my Mac and did some experimenting. Lots of trial and error, but overall, the system seems very responsive. I thought I was going to have to install Snow Leopard, but I don't seem to have a Snow Leopard DVD. So I tried turning Quick Nav on and received a message that Quick Nav was on. I'm assuming that in fact, Snow Leopard was pre-installed? I'm certainly not unhappy if that's the case, just want to be certain this is the case. I did try bringing up the VO utilities menu with VO F8, but it didn't launch. Any ideas on that one? Also, I noticed that Command F5 started VoiceOver on my MacBook Pro, but the FN key wasn't required along with Command F5. I don't recall changing anything related to System Preferences regarding the behavior of the Function keys, but I certainly could have without realizing it. I went through the setup assistant and have started reviewing the Quick Start VoiceOver tutorial. I'm off to a slow but happy and steady beginning! Les __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4408 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trackpad application for iphone and IPod
Has anoyone tried this? On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:00 AM, william lomas wrote: hi use your iphone and ipod touch as your trackpad for your mac Edovia today is proud to announce TouchPad 1.0, its 7th app for iPhone and iPod touch. TouchPad is a remote trackpad and keyboard package that lets you control any Mac remotely. Use your iPhone or your iPod touch to remotely control you computer through WiFi. With TouchPads intuitive use, youll feel right at home if you have already used a track pad on a MacBook. Its almost like having a micro laptop in your hands. more info at http://www.scribd.com/doc/18541087/Edovia-Introduces-TouchPad-10-for-iPhone-and-iPod-Touch --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Following on the training elders at the VA: I couldn't agree more. I have seen far too many smart people walk away from computing because JAWS and/or Window-Eyes require far too much memorization. Having lots of very specific commands is great for the advanced user but having the ability to build bundled commands can be very powerful when we start looking at short term memory, the psychology of attention and learning theory - all of which need to be considered when exporting any sort of interface for people with disabilities or not. cdh On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:42 PM, timsniffen wrote: I think it would be a shame to lose the ability to script VoiceOver. I work with the Veteran Administration Blind Rehab service and am interested in helping older Veterans learn to use the Mac -- either because they were Mac users before losing vision or because they are just getting into computing and need a simple interface. For the elderly, problems with memory are at least a great an issue as problems with vision, and anything we can do to make important everyday computing tasks easier for elderly people with vision loss will greatly increase their adoption of the Macintosh. The ability to collapse many steps involving several applications into one or two steps is vital to this effort. As one who has struggled to teach Windows screen readers to elderly Veterans for decades, I can't tell you how excited I am by VoiceOver's new tools in Snow Leopard -- AppleScript among them. On Sep 7, 10:32 am, James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com wrote: Absolutely, I think the thing to remember, is that the scripts are an option and only an option. Developers are still going to have to make their apps accessible, especially now that most if not all of the operating system is now Coaco. I quite like the idea of these scripts. Perhaps we can add our own features to VO just a they do for Orca which is also an extensible scriptable Screen Reader. Perhaps others who are more informed on these subjects could add to or corect me if I'm wrong. Take care James - Original Message - From: Ryan Mann tiger0...@earthlink.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, then don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular, some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If that application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be an option. n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: That sounds like a good idea. On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of scripts to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com and share our thoughts on this. On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: Hi all. I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, they will either ignore us, or will say, Well, just download the scripts for my application and you will have access. Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so that I can have a new perspective. Jes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: jamochamud (java program)
Thanks for writing back. I wasn't certain if there was something I had to do directly to make JamochaMUD usable by screen readers and the like, but a little poking around shows that there is indeed a Java Accessible programming interface. This implies to me that if I implement the accessible features of Java then it will probably play nice with the Mac Voiceover. I do most of my programming in Linux, but luckily my wife has a Mac laptop so I should be able to do some testing. Would you mind if I contact you in the future to do some testing for me once I feel I've got accessibility features added? Jeff On Sep 8, 7:20 pm, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello, sorry for the late reply. I myself recently switched to the mac and am not a programmer. I would love to just use the mac though, replacing windows because i really love the os x operating system anbd voiceover. I would recommend trying to mail accessibil...@apple.com to see if they know of osme improvements you can do... I have also forwarded your message to the other mailing list for blind people on th emac macvoiceover so hopefully you will get some replies. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:29 PM, J. Robinson wrote: Hi there, I'm the author of JamochaMUD. In the interest of making JamochaMUD as good as it can be for multiple platforms, I'd be interested in hearing exactly what problems you are having with JamochaMUD to see if I can solve them. Especially if there are certain things that are Mac-specific that I may have over- looked. Jeff On Sep 2, 12:14 pm, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello, this free mud client does not seem to have problems with snow leopard but it is nt really accessible either, i can read the welcom screen but then i cant go to menus (if it has those) or go to buttons, they have no help tag. should java normally work with voicover? Their website is jamochamud.org and it seems to be the only mudclient for os x that is still being developed. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Looking for Garage Band users
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Re: snow leopard and fusion
Yes it does or at least the little I've done so far which isn't much appears to work just fine. On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:20 AM, dannyboy wrote: Will vm ware's fusion work with snow leopard? There were some on a forum claiming it might not. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Hi, Yes, it is indeed true that NVDA is the only Windows based screen access utility that has no Off Screen Model (OSM) in any traditional sense of the word. On GNU/Linux, orca functions without an OSM but mouse cursor (review cursor) mode using a simulated OSM acts kind of strange sometimes. VO does so well because of its tight integration with the OS and because the Apple accessibility API is so damn good that little that would require an OSM on another system is available to the screen reader kind of by default. Over the past year and a half or so, NVDA has matured into a solid little screen reader. Using MSAA, iAccessible2, some application DOM information and possibly some of the Sun Java accessibility stuff, it can create something of a tree like view of the screen contents. People who work closely with sighted colleagues probably should look for a different solution as NVDA speaks items in a logical manner and not in any way related to the order which items appear on screen. NVDA, though, with help and money from Mozilla, IBM, Microsoft and Adobe, is really growing up quickly. Because of the iAccessible2 API (free software from IBM), NVDA works with virtually all of OpenOffice and the other members of the gecko UI (Firefox for instance) family of programs. MSAA gives them all of the really basic stuff but, unlike Apple, many applications that ship with Windows use non- standard techniques for drawing UI and, therefore, do not work properly with NVDA. Mozilla keeps the boys pushing forward on Firefox andother useful free software. Microsoft used its money to pay the guys to support user interface automation (UIA) which will be its primary accessibility system in Windows 7) and Adobe is paying them to support its peculiar MSAA inplimentation that, when accessed properly, has the potential to do a good job on Windows at least. The OSM solutions give application vendors a bit of a freel ride. Before Apple added MSAA to iTunes, a JAWS user would have to buy scripts from Brian Hartgen (a great guy by the way) to use the program as Brian was able to hack around the video information and, from there, build something that actually worked. Thus, if Apple never contracted GW Micro to help with the accessibility of their Windows version of iTunes, Brian would still be making money selling his scripts and Apple could point to him as their accessibility solution if anyone complained. The other side of the OSM coin, though, is that capturing all of those loose bits and bytes can add a lot of instability to the overall system. Without getting into the boring details, I'll recommend that someone turn on JAWS on a nice XP or Vista box. Then, turn off the screen saver, walk away and every hour or so go to the system resources dialogue and see how much memory, handles and CPU usage that JAWS is consuming. For all intents and purposes, these values should be identical or at least close to identical at every visit. Unfortunately, you will see these numbers grow at what seems like a fairly regular pace (assuming no one has done anything else to the computer). These strange side effects slow things down, sometimes garble the OSM and happen for no reason anyone in or out of FS can figure (the FS JAWS hackers would fix this in a New York minute if they could actually figure out why and where it happens). Overall, given the power of the Apple Accessibility API, the gnome and Java accessibility stuff, MSAA, iAccessible2 and UIA, the OSM is moving rapidly toward a long awaited death. People who work on such things say that Windows 7 will not support a mirror driver nor any of the other ways screen readers build an OSM. So, with luck and believing MS and some of my friends (usually a reliable bunch of nerds) even JAWSVID.DLL will go away pretty soon. The death of the OSM probably has the GW Micro and FS guys pulling their hair out. Without the driver hooks, which caused the terible stability problems we all know and love on Windows with the top two, players is going to either force the mainstream application developers to add the appropriate accessibility information using the documented API or they will need to update their VPAT to say not accessible to people with vision impairment on Windows 7 or newer, which kind of tosses a monster monkey in the fraud that has been Section 508 until now. Lastly, an OSM/operating system hooking solution like JAWS and WE, create cavernous security holes in the entire system. If my screen reader can speak in the desktop user space (not the desktop you interact with but, rather, a low level bit of Windows), it means that my screen reader can see almost everything and all of the keystrokes, mouse movememnts and clicks, and such and it can catalogue them in a file somewhere on your system and, when you try to use your email program, it
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Quite the contrary, the existence of a scripting language takes away the excuse from mainstream developers as they can now manipulate their program via scripts and cannot tell the Access Board that they cannot do Section 508 compliance. At FS, we forced a number of big players to either write scripts on their own or pay us to do it which got some software used by the Federal Government accessible and, hence, more people with vision impairment into jobs. cdh PS: I've been involved in this argument for nearly 12 years and I can't help myself from writing about it. Suicide may be the only way out... Nah, I'll just have more coffee! On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:07 AM, Scott Howell wrote: I think there is no reason to ever fear that VOiceOver would become like JAWS, Window-Eyes, or any other screen reader. I don't know that I myself have much use for scripting, but it is an option that software vendors are going to use as an excuse to avoid making their apps accessible. I think instead as one person pointed out, is a tool, which can extend the functionality of VoiceOver and this offers some real benefits in dealing with complex situations. So, I understand the concerns, but I can see the benefits and why screen readers are going this direction. After all, look how long it took before Window-Eyes took on scripting. This was done not so much as to be competitive I bet as much as some situations have become complex enough that set files just couldn't handle it. On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Jes Smith wrote: Thanks for that reassurance that voice over will not become like jaws. Jes On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, Probably because I was once a VP at Freedom Scientific, I see the value in and strongly support adding scripting to VO. I agree that using scripts to launch applications from within a screen reader should be discouraged and I agree that some other things you mention in your email should be avoided as there are other techniques to get the same job. The fear that VO will turn into JAWS for Macintosh, is mostly unfounded though. The reason JAWS needs scripts for virtually every application it supports is that they have an OSM and, given relative screen coordinates can tease the text drawn directly without MSAA or iAccessible2 involved. This helps make the completely inaccessible into something that is marginally and sometimes very accessible. VO has no OSM. Even with the new scripting facility, it cannot correct the owner drawn interfaces (I've been trying to get VO and MacSpeech Dictate to talk and its a hemorrhoid of a project). What AppleScript gives us is the ability to add features to a combination of programs where the authors did a decent job of making their software accessible but the user would benefit from some very deep contextual information that would be very difficult for a generic API to deliver. I read a post (I think on this list) about reading table headers in the iWork spreadsheet. the post said it works great if the headers are on the top row but starts to fail if they are elsewhere. So, why not write a script that allows multiple tables, each with their own headings to exist in a single spreadsheet? No API is smart enough to do this but, I would think that a script driven communication system between VO and the worksheet could do it in a fairly straight forward manner. This script could also mangle the worksheet file name in a manner that is unique so, if you reload the same document, your headers will be there for you. Even cooler, if you open a spreadsheet with a very similar name (Sales Report 1/1/2009, Sales Report 2/1/2009, etc.) they will probably have the same format and the user can be offered the opportunity to load last month's headers. There are lots of ideas that can be expressed in scripts that a generic screen reader cannot understand. Happy Curt Flood Day, cdh On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: Hi all. I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer and
Re: apple ii emulator for sl?
I did try several, but they stunk. That was almost a year ago though, so there might be something better now... hopefully. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 8-Sep-09, at 7:59 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hey Erik, i will have to do a good google search on this one tomorrow. I mean it owuld b elogical that htere would be an emulator for the apple ii that runs on leopard and then it might run on sl. I will have to check into this and will get back tot he list later, i myself too enjoyed the eamon games especially the more complex ones. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:40 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi Anouk, I bug about this once every three to six months or so. Somewhere around my house and two storage locations there is a disk with 250 eamon adventures on apple Ii floppy disk images. It would be finominal to play them again. I have about 20 adventures for dos, but playing them in dos, in my windows vm, on my mac, is well just a bit of silly overkill. I would love to have a nice apple emulater to load up these old disk images and get all the games. Then I might never leave my house again, only just sit rivitted to my mac playing text adventures, grins. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 5-Sep-09, at 7:57 AM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I remember playing eamon games in my dos days about 10 years ago. Are there any apple ii emulators for snow leopard? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
arrowing through songs
Hi all has anyone else noted under snowleopard one can't arrow through their songs as they are playing in iTunes with left arrow and right arrow? Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
silly me
hi i left quicknav on lol that's why can't arrow through itunes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A solution for stopping voiceover from saying empty in the contacts table in Adium
Thanks for this awesome tip. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Sep 9, 2009, at 5:37 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Hi all,a friend of mine who's not on this list, was playing with verbosity settings, and we found that if you go under list, and customise it so that the status isn't spoken, this will fix the problem of voiceover saying empty in the contacts table of Adium. So for those who were finding that to be annoying, there's a solution. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
New Blog Entry
Hi, I just put up a new blog post about the iPhone, ATT, coolness and weirdness. It's at: http://www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com. Enjoy, cdh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
How would we know if JFW was reading in the Desktop user area and what is it? Also, where would JFW write the file? - Original Message - From: Chris Hofstader c...@hofstader.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest Hi, Yes, it is indeed true that NVDA is the only Windows based screen access utility that has no Off Screen Model (OSM) in any traditional sense of the word. On GNU/Linux, orca functions without an OSM but mouse cursor (review cursor) mode using a simulated OSM acts kind of strange sometimes. VO does so well because of its tight integration with the OS and because the Apple accessibility API is so damn good that little that would require an OSM on another system is available to the screen reader kind of by default. Over the past year and a half or so, NVDA has matured into a solid little screen reader. Using MSAA, iAccessible2, some application DOM information and possibly some of the Sun Java accessibility stuff, it can create something of a tree like view of the screen contents. People who work closely with sighted colleagues probably should look for a different solution as NVDA speaks items in a logical manner and not in any way related to the order which items appear on screen. NVDA, though, with help and money from Mozilla, IBM, Microsoft and Adobe, is really growing up quickly. Because of the iAccessible2 API (free software from IBM), NVDA works with virtually all of OpenOffice and the other members of the gecko UI (Firefox for instance) family of programs. MSAA gives them all of the really basic stuff but, unlike Apple, many applications that ship with Windows use non- standard techniques for drawing UI and, therefore, do not work properly with NVDA. Mozilla keeps the boys pushing forward on Firefox andother useful free software. Microsoft used its money to pay the guys to support user interface automation (UIA) which will be its primary accessibility system in Windows 7) and Adobe is paying them to support its peculiar MSAA inplimentation that, when accessed properly, has the potential to do a good job on Windows at least. The OSM solutions give application vendors a bit of a freel ride. Before Apple added MSAA to iTunes, a JAWS user would have to buy scripts from Brian Hartgen (a great guy by the way) to use the program as Brian was able to hack around the video information and, from there, build something that actually worked. Thus, if Apple never contracted GW Micro to help with the accessibility of their Windows version of iTunes, Brian would still be making money selling his scripts and Apple could point to him as their accessibility solution if anyone complained. The other side of the OSM coin, though, is that capturing all of those loose bits and bytes can add a lot of instability to the overall system. Without getting into the boring details, I'll recommend that someone turn on JAWS on a nice XP or Vista box. Then, turn off the screen saver, walk away and every hour or so go to the system resources dialogue and see how much memory, handles and CPU usage that JAWS is consuming. For all intents and purposes, these values should be identical or at least close to identical at every visit. Unfortunately, you will see these numbers grow at what seems like a fairly regular pace (assuming no one has done anything else to the computer). These strange side effects slow things down, sometimes garble the OSM and happen for no reason anyone in or out of FS can figure (the FS JAWS hackers would fix this in a New York minute if they could actually figure out why and where it happens). Overall, given the power of the Apple Accessibility API, the gnome and Java accessibility stuff, MSAA, iAccessible2 and UIA, the OSM is moving rapidly toward a long awaited death. People who work on such things say that Windows 7 will not support a mirror driver nor any of the other ways screen readers build an OSM. So, with luck and believing MS and some of my friends (usually a reliable bunch of nerds) even JAWSVID.DLL will go away pretty soon. The death of the OSM probably has the GW Micro and FS guys pulling their hair out. Without the driver hooks, which caused the terible stability problems we all know and love on Windows with the top two, players is going to either force the mainstream application developers to add the appropriate accessibility information using the documented API or they will need to update their VPAT to say not accessible to people with vision impairment on Windows 7 or newer, which kind of tosses a monster monkey in the fraud that has been Section 508 until now. Lastly, an OSM/operating system hooking solution like JAWS and WE, create cavernous security holes in the entire system. If my screen reader can speak in the desktop user space (not the desktop you interact with but, rather, a low level bit of Windows),
Re: media event
Hi, I've never used the following site before, but they promise to have live blogging and links to video streams of today's Apple event if there are any. http://www.businessinsider.com/alleyinsider Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
returning to the last read sentence in preview
Hi all, I was wondering why when i switch applications from preview and back the page i was reading starts from the beginning. Instead of hotspots, is there a way to leave the mouse cursor on the ast word which was read in preview and then when back to reading, get the mouse cursor to follow the vo cursor again? As i switch from document to editor quite frequently, i'd like to know what's the fastest way to do this. Oh, on the train of thought, i think, as i remember from my sighted days and acrobat reader or any other program, when the anti-alioas of text and lines is turned on, it slows the system down somewhat. So a suggestion is to go to the preview preferences on the pdf tag and uncheck the anti-alias option. This way, you win that much ressources when multitasking with a big pdf file :) best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Has Arrived
Oh thank you very much. That's definitely something I will need. May, it's time for school and goalball blog: www.true-friends2009.com - Original Message - From: Dan Eickmeier va3...@yahoo.ca To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: My MacBook Has Arrived Cool, glad to hear thatyou got your Mac. I'm assuming it has Snow Leopard installled on it. If so,you can hit control-option-h, and go down to the getting started guide, hit return on it, and you'll be taken to a nice HTML version of that. . It's worth looking at for you, since you're just starting out with the mac. On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, May and Wynter wrote: Hi everyone. Now it's my turn to say, my MacBook has arrived and I need help, smile. How do I learn the different keys and such? I save lots of emails about the Mac so I would have them by the time I got mine, but I don't have anything for that. May, I finally have my Mac, yay!! blog: www.true-friends2009.com - Original Message - From: Rich Ring richr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived Indeed it did. However, sluggish performance with Safari is the case whether this adapter is attached or not. On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, dannyboy wrote: Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it? On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote: You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am back to square one. This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store or purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not made by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in the long run. At least I got email to work. On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support and found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi external drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I learned that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to get going! Les __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4407 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: arrowing through songs
I'll betcha that this -- and many other iTunes problems -- will be fixed later today with the release of iTunes 9. Here's hoping ... On Sep 9, 9:53 am, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all has anyone else noted under snowleopard one can't arrow through their songs as they are playing in iTunes with left arrow and right arrow? Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jamochamud (java program)
Hi there, I would be very glad to help in any way I can. I can of course run windows virtually via vmware but I would rather do stuff natively on the mac. I did hear from some people that you have to label the buttons if this is at all possible in java. I did get initial text, the buttons just were not labeled or did not have help text. When you think stuff should work I will also inform some other mudders I know to have a mac but not be on any list. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:31 PM, J. Robinson wrote: Thanks for writing back. I wasn't certain if there was something I had to do directly to make JamochaMUD usable by screen readers and the like, but a little poking around shows that there is indeed a Java Accessible programming interface. This implies to me that if I implement the accessible features of Java then it will probably play nice with the Mac Voiceover. I do most of my programming in Linux, but luckily my wife has a Mac laptop so I should be able to do some testing. Would you mind if I contact you in the future to do some testing for me once I feel I've got accessibility features added? Jeff On Sep 8, 7:20 pm, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello, sorry for the late reply. I myself recently switched to the mac and am not a programmer. I would love to just use the mac though, replacing windows because i really love the os x operating system anbd voiceover. I would recommend trying to mail accessibil...@apple.com to see if they know of osme improvements you can do... I have also forwarded your message to the other mailing list for blind people on th emac macvoiceover so hopefully you will get some replies. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:29 PM, J. Robinson wrote: Hi there, I'm the author of JamochaMUD. In the interest of making JamochaMUD as good as it can be for multiple platforms, I'd be interested in hearing exactly what problems you are having with JamochaMUD to see if I can solve them. Especially if there are certain things that are Mac-specific that I may have over- looked. Jeff On Sep 2, 12:14 pm, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello, this free mud client does not seem to have problems with snow leopard but it is nt really accessible either, i can read the welcom screen but then i cant go to menus (if it has those) or go to buttons, they have no help tag. should java normally work with voicover? Their website is jamochamud.org and it seems to be the only mudclient for os x that is still being developed. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Switching between virtualization software
Hello all, Currently I'm still under windows vista. I am working with virtual box the only accessible and affordable (because free) virtualization software I know on this platform. I soon plan to create a windows xp virtual machine. As I also plan during the coming months to switch under Mac OS and as I probably will need to still work under windows a bit, I will probably install VMWare Fusion the mac virtualization software known to be accessible here. My question, should I have to reinstall my Windows XP under fusion or could I be able to import it from my virtual Box virtual machine ? If no, is there a compatible VmWare software working under windows and fairly priced ? Regards, -- Claude Renaud --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
wireless connections
Good morning. How do I get my Mac to find wireless connections? I would like to use the help that's in HTML but I won't be home during the day so need the wireless, thanks. May, I finally have my MacBook, yay!! blog: www.true-friends2009.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: getting an individuals email address
hmm, this doesn't seem to work in snow leopard. I've just been trying to read the email address and remember what it is, but there has to be an easier way in sl! On 2009-09-09, at 2:22 AM, Christina wrote: Hi, I miss the menu button. However, if you select the text with the name/ e-mail address in the from area then you can use vo plus shift plus m. At least that worked for me. I do not know of an easier way to select the text other than to use vo plus enter to start highlighting/ selecting the text then using vo plus enter to end selecting the text. Then you can use vo plus shift plus m. I hope that helps. Christina On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: Interact with the message content area and move the vo cursor over the message headers and enter act with it. Or, if you are reading a message, stop interacting with the body text and move vo up to the headers. In leopard, vo saw the address as a menu button. I've just noticed that now it doesn't. Nor does vo-space, or vo-shft-m work on it. Now you have to route the mouse to the address and shft-click to get the menu. On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, not sure if this has been covered before, but i would like to get a persons emal address who posts to the macvisionarie slist, i nwindows you can do this by standing on the name and then getting the ctrl-f10 menu and doing settings. Can i do this on the mac? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
directory utility ldap authentication
I've been trying unsuccessfully to get the Macs in my department to authenticate versus our ldap database. It works with ldap but not ldaps. I upgraded one machine to snowleopard hoping it would work better. But now I can't get into the ldap configuration at all. On google I've seen messages that say you now need to configure ldap authentication via the System Preferences - Accounts utility. But I cannot find it in there. Any hints? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Has Arrived
Do I need to be on the internet for this command to work? I've tried it from the finder window and it just tells me this item has no help tag. If so, how to I get on the net and how do I find out if I have sl, thanks. May, I finally have my MacBook, yay!! blog: www.true-friends2009.com - Original Message - From: Dan Eickmeier va3...@yahoo.ca To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: My MacBook Has Arrived Cool, glad to hear thatyou got your Mac. I'm assuming it has Snow Leopard installled on it. If so,you can hit control-option-h, and go down to the getting started guide, hit return on it, and you'll be taken to a nice HTML version of that. . It's worth looking at for you, since you're just starting out with the mac. On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, May and Wynter wrote: Hi everyone. Now it's my turn to say, my MacBook has arrived and I need help, smile. How do I learn the different keys and such? I save lots of emails about the Mac so I would have them by the time I got mine, but I don't have anything for that. May, I finally have my Mac, yay!! blog: www.true-friends2009.com - Original Message - From: Rich Ring richr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived Indeed it did. However, sluggish performance with Safari is the case whether this adapter is attached or not. On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, dannyboy wrote: Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it? On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote: You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am back to square one. This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store or purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not made by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in the long run. At least I got email to work. On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support and found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi external drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I learned that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to get going! Les __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4407 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: getting an individuals email address
Hi Jessi, If you focus on the header, interact with it and focus on the from address, and press VO-shift-space, you will hear menu and can arrow down to copy the address etc. etc. Just remember to route the mouse to your VO cursor with VO-command-F5 before you click, since I suppose you have set mouse cursor to ignore VO cursor to avoid the sub menu issue. I tested this with a message from you now, and it works just fine in SL. Take care, John André On 9. sep. 2009, at 14.41, Jessi and Goldina wrote: hmm, this doesn't seem to work in snow leopard. I've just been trying to read the email address and remember what it is, but there has to be an easier way in sl! On 2009-09-09, at 2:22 AM, Christina wrote: Hi, I miss the menu button. However, if you select the text with the name/ e-mail address in the from area then you can use vo plus shift plus m. At least that worked for me. I do not know of an easier way to select the text other than to use vo plus enter to start highlighting/ selecting the text then using vo plus enter to end selecting the text. Then you can use vo plus shift plus m. I hope that helps. Christina On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: Interact with the message content area and move the vo cursor over the message headers and enter act with it. Or, if you are reading a message, stop interacting with the body text and move vo up to the headers. In leopard, vo saw the address as a menu button. I've just noticed that now it doesn't. Nor does vo-space, or vo-shft-m work on it. Now you have to route the mouse to the address and shft-click to get the menu. On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, not sure if this has been covered before, but i would like to get a persons emal address who posts to the macvisionarie slist, i nwindows you can do this by standing on the name and then getting the ctrl-f10 menu and doing settings. Can i do this on the mac? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: wireless connections
Hi May, Go to the status menu with Control-F8. One of the options is Airport. Press Down Arrow to go into that menu. One of the options should be Turn Airport On. Press Return. At that point, the Mac will search for networks and let you try to connect with what it finds. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: wireless connections
Smile, thank you very much. May, I finally have my MacBook, yay!! blog: www.true-friends2009.com - Original Message - From: Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: Re: wireless connections Hi May, Go to the status menu with Control-F8. One of the options is Airport. Press Down Arrow to go into that menu. One of the options should be Turn Airport On. Press Return. At that point, the Mac will search for networks and let you try to connect with what it finds. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: wireless connections
You might use a program like IP Scanner, http://10base-t.com/macintosh-software/ip-scanner/ I'm not sure if this will work; it will only work if the FSID is being broadcast by the network. Course, if you're mostly looking for free WIFI, it might just do the trick. Enjoy. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Data detector present
Thanks :) On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:56 AM, John André Netland wrote: Hi Christina, I suppose that if someone was watching your activity, VoiceOver would announce Data detectives present instead, or what? Smiles. You are correct about the VO-shift-M shortcut; focus Voiceover on the item and press the shortcut, and you will get all the possible commands listed. Greetings from detective John André ;-) On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Christina wrote: Oh, that's really cool. I'm so glad to know what that is. Funny, I thought maybe voice over was letting me know there was someone watching my activity on my computer. :) How would you add it to address book or ical? Would you select the e-mail address or date and then use a context menu with vo plus shift plus m? Christina On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Jes Smith wrote: Christina, This happens whenever Mail encounters dates or email addresses, so you can add them to either ICal or address book. It's just a way to have that particular data pasteD into a new entry so you don't have to type it in yourself. I'm not sure there is a way to turn that announcement off, but it's rather nice to have around. On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Christina wrote: Hi all, In some of my e-mails voiceover announces data detector present every few words or sentences or so. Does anyone know why this might be happening? It's just kind of weird and I do not know what this means or how to stop this from occurring. I had never heard this before the upgrade. Any ideas? It does not seem to affect the performance but it is odd and somewhat annoying. Thanks so much, Christina --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Working with more than one acount
I didn't notice any replies to your email so I'll take a crack at it. If software update does the update it should apply to all accounts. If the account has insufficient privileges to complete the update it should either fail and tell you or ask for the admin account to authenticate. While you may have multiple accounts, they share the same core applications and OS components. So an update to iTunes or a security patch to Safari will be noticed by all users. CB James Nash wrote: Hi folks, As I think I mentioned before on here, I always use a limited account for my daily use on all my computers - wether it's Windows, Linux or Mac. So I was wondering. If I use the Admin account to run Software Update, will the updates be applied to the entire OS or only for that account? Also, I have notieced that if I enter my Admin password whilse in my limited account, I can bypass it and do what I want. Is there a way to tell Mac OS X not to offer me this choice as in Linux please? Thank you Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Has Arrived
you have leopard on it On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:52 AM, May and Wynter wrote: Do I need to be on the internet for this command to work? I've tried it from the finder window and it just tells me this item has no help tag. If so, how to I get on the net and how do I find out if I have sl, thanks. May, I finally have my MacBook, yay!! blog: www.true-friends2009.com - Original Message - From: Dan Eickmeier va3...@yahoo.ca To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: My MacBook Has Arrived Cool, glad to hear thatyou got your Mac. I'm assuming it has Snow Leopard installled on it. If so,you can hit control-option-h, and go down to the getting started guide, hit return on it, and you'll be taken to a nice HTML version of that. . It's worth looking at for you, since you're just starting out with the mac. On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, May and Wynter wrote: Hi everyone. Now it's my turn to say, my MacBook has arrived and I need help, smile. How do I learn the different keys and such? I save lots of emails about the Mac so I would have them by the time I got mine, but I don't have anything for that. May, I finally have my Mac, yay!! blog: www.true-friends2009.com - Original Message - From: Rich Ring richr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived Indeed it did. However, sluggish performance with Safari is the case whether this adapter is attached or not. On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, dannyboy wrote: Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it? On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote: You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am back to square one. This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store or purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not made by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in the long run. At least I got email to work. On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support and found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi external drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I learned that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to get going! Les __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4407 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
If JAWS or any other Windows screen reader is speaking at the login screen it has effectively been given privileges to run anywhere in a Windows XP, Vista or 7 system. Rumor says that MS has stopped this possibility in Windows 7 but I've only gossip to cite as a source and probably won't look for more about it as it doesn't really effect me. JAWS can write to any place on your system with write privileges. About 10 lines of JAWS Script code can probably do the whole job. Window-Eyes and VoiceOver have much more protections around their script facilities as they are common parts of the OS and the architects make them as secure as possible. I don't know how orca does it but they have excellent security as well. Deep in the bowels of some programs like JAWS, HAL and Zoomtext are some really cool albeit unsecure hacks. This code, when it was really important, was really fun to make as it required changing Windows itself which was altogether too cool. We did such things for good, virus hackers and other vandals use similar techniques to do their evil. cdh On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:27 AM, James Nash wrote: How would we know if JFW was reading in the Desktop user area and what is it? Also, where would JFW write the file? - Original Message - From: Chris Hofstader c...@hofstader.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest Hi, Yes, it is indeed true that NVDA is the only Windows based screen access utility that has no Off Screen Model (OSM) in any traditional sense of the word. On GNU/Linux, orca functions without an OSM but mouse cursor (review cursor) mode using a simulated OSM acts kind of strange sometimes. VO does so well because of its tight integration with the OS and because the Apple accessibility API is so damn good that little that would require an OSM on another system is available to the screen reader kind of by default. Over the past year and a half or so, NVDA has matured into a solid little screen reader. Using MSAA, iAccessible2, some application DOM information and possibly some of the Sun Java accessibility stuff, it can create something of a tree like view of the screen contents. People who work closely with sighted colleagues probably should look for a different solution as NVDA speaks items in a logical manner and not in any way related to the order which items appear on screen. NVDA, though, with help and money from Mozilla, IBM, Microsoft and Adobe, is really growing up quickly. Because of the iAccessible2 API (free software from IBM), NVDA works with virtually all of OpenOffice and the other members of the gecko UI (Firefox for instance) family of programs. MSAA gives them all of the really basic stuff but, unlike Apple, many applications that ship with Windows use non- standard techniques for drawing UI and, therefore, do not work properly with NVDA. Mozilla keeps the boys pushing forward on Firefox andother useful free software. Microsoft used its money to pay the guys to support user interface automation (UIA) which will be its primary accessibility system in Windows 7) and Adobe is paying them to support its peculiar MSAA inplimentation that, when accessed properly, has the potential to do a good job on Windows at least. The OSM solutions give application vendors a bit of a freel ride. Before Apple added MSAA to iTunes, a JAWS user would have to buy scripts from Brian Hartgen (a great guy by the way) to use the program as Brian was able to hack around the video information and, from there, build something that actually worked. Thus, if Apple never contracted GW Micro to help with the accessibility of their Windows version of iTunes, Brian would still be making money selling his scripts and Apple could point to him as their accessibility solution if anyone complained. The other side of the OSM coin, though, is that capturing all of those loose bits and bytes can add a lot of instability to the overall system. Without getting into the boring details, I'll recommend that someone turn on JAWS on a nice XP or Vista box. Then, turn off the screen saver, walk away and every hour or so go to the system resources dialogue and see how much memory, handles and CPU usage that JAWS is consuming. For all intents and purposes, these values should be identical or at least close to identical at every visit. Unfortunately, you will see these numbers grow at what seems like a fairly regular pace (assuming no one has done anything else to the computer). These strange side effects slow things down, sometimes garble the OSM and happen for no reason anyone in or out of FS can figure (the FS JAWS hackers would fix this in a New York minute if they could actually figure out why and where it happens). Overall, given the power of the Apple
Re: coe 2 duo?
You have one processor chip with two processor cores inside. I think it's pretty much the functional equivalent of having two distinct processors but it shares packaging and maybe some circuitry. For all intents and purposes you have two processors. While not everything takes advantage of having more than one CPU, it does make a big difference. Your main app can use one CPU while the OS and anything else running can use the other. Once you get beyond two processors it gets more difficult to really keep them all loaded with work. This is why Apple introduced Grand Central in Snow Leopard which allows developers to break up tasks into little work units that grand schedule will queue and distribute to as many processors as you have. If you can buy 8-processor machines today, what will we have in three years? It's good they are laying the groundwork for this now. http://www.appletell.com/apple/comment/apples-grand-central-exactly-what-consumers-need/ CB william lomas wrote: Hi, I have 1 processor on my macbook with 2 cores running at 2.4 GHZ. What essentially please, does this mean? Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Thank you for the clarification Chris Take care James - Original Message - From: Chris Hofstader c...@hofstader.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: Re: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest If JAWS or any other Windows screen reader is speaking at the login screen it has effectively been given privileges to run anywhere in a Windows XP, Vista or 7 system. Rumor says that MS has stopped this possibility in Windows 7 but I've only gossip to cite as a source and probably won't look for more about it as it doesn't really effect me. JAWS can write to any place on your system with write privileges. About 10 lines of JAWS Script code can probably do the whole job. Window-Eyes and VoiceOver have much more protections around their script facilities as they are common parts of the OS and the architects make them as secure as possible. I don't know how orca does it but they have excellent security as well. Deep in the bowels of some programs like JAWS, HAL and Zoomtext are some really cool albeit unsecure hacks. This code, when it was really important, was really fun to make as it required changing Windows itself which was altogether too cool. We did such things for good, virus hackers and other vandals use similar techniques to do their evil. cdh On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:27 AM, James Nash wrote: How would we know if JFW was reading in the Desktop user area and what is it? Also, where would JFW write the file? - Original Message - From: Chris Hofstader c...@hofstader.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest Hi, Yes, it is indeed true that NVDA is the only Windows based screen access utility that has no Off Screen Model (OSM) in any traditional sense of the word. On GNU/Linux, orca functions without an OSM but mouse cursor (review cursor) mode using a simulated OSM acts kind of strange sometimes. VO does so well because of its tight integration with the OS and because the Apple accessibility API is so damn good that little that would require an OSM on another system is available to the screen reader kind of by default. Over the past year and a half or so, NVDA has matured into a solid little screen reader. Using MSAA, iAccessible2, some application DOM information and possibly some of the Sun Java accessibility stuff, it can create something of a tree like view of the screen contents. People who work closely with sighted colleagues probably should look for a different solution as NVDA speaks items in a logical manner and not in any way related to the order which items appear on screen. NVDA, though, with help and money from Mozilla, IBM, Microsoft and Adobe, is really growing up quickly. Because of the iAccessible2 API (free software from IBM), NVDA works with virtually all of OpenOffice and the other members of the gecko UI (Firefox for instance) family of programs. MSAA gives them all of the really basic stuff but, unlike Apple, many applications that ship with Windows use non- standard techniques for drawing UI and, therefore, do not work properly with NVDA. Mozilla keeps the boys pushing forward on Firefox andother useful free software. Microsoft used its money to pay the guys to support user interface automation (UIA) which will be its primary accessibility system in Windows 7) and Adobe is paying them to support its peculiar MSAA inplimentation that, when accessed properly, has the potential to do a good job on Windows at least. The OSM solutions give application vendors a bit of a freel ride. Before Apple added MSAA to iTunes, a JAWS user would have to buy scripts from Brian Hartgen (a great guy by the way) to use the program as Brian was able to hack around the video information and, from there, build something that actually worked. Thus, if Apple never contracted GW Micro to help with the accessibility of their Windows version of iTunes, Brian would still be making money selling his scripts and Apple could point to him as their accessibility solution if anyone complained. The other side of the OSM coin, though, is that capturing all of those loose bits and bytes can add a lot of instability to the overall system. Without getting into the boring details, I'll recommend that someone turn on JAWS on a nice XP or Vista box. Then, turn off the screen saver, walk away and every hour or so go to the system resources dialogue and see how much memory, handles and CPU usage that JAWS is consuming. For all intents and purposes, these values should be identical or at least close to identical at every visit. Unfortunately, you will see these numbers grow at what seems like a fairly regular pace (assuming no one has done anything else to the computer).
Re: Working with more than one acount
Thanks Chris Take care James - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: Re: Working with more than one acount I didn't notice any replies to your email so I'll take a crack at it. If software update does the update it should apply to all accounts. If the account has insufficient privileges to complete the update it should either fail and tell you or ask for the admin account to authenticate. While you may have multiple accounts, they share the same core applications and OS components. So an update to iTunes or a security patch to Safari will be noticed by all users. CB James Nash wrote: Hi folks, As I think I mentioned before on here, I always use a limited account for my daily use on all my computers - wether it's Windows, Linux or Mac. So I was wondering. If I use the Admin account to run Software Update, will the updates be applied to the entire OS or only for that account? Also, I have notieced that if I enter my Admin password whilse in my limited account, I can bypass it and do what I want. Is there a way to tell Mac OS X not to offer me this choice as in Linux please? Thank you Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: copying from itunes
Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with Command-C and paste it to the Desktop. You should even be able to press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, Command-Shift-D, just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V. If you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and try your paste again. HTH. Cheers, Esther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
New Nano
From the reporting of Mac World. 11:01 PT - JS: Adding voiceover to the nano, adding Genius Mixes. FM Radio tuner built in as well. And built-in voice recorder app using the built-in microphone, and a built-in pedometer. You can even sync your steps to Nike plus for long-term goals. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Mac-cessibility News] Apple Media Event 9/9/09
Apple Media Event 9/9/09 Today, Apple announced details of iPhone OS 3.1, iTunes 9, and new models in their iPod lineups. The iPhone OS 3.1 details are scarce as yet, but the update includes pre-cut ring tones from the major record labels. iTunes 9, the latest version of Apple's popular media management software, comes with a plethora of new features, including [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/09/apple-media-event-9909/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
apple event
hi I followed macworld on twitter. 1. The nano has been updated with video camera, microphone, and voice over 2. so has the touch but no mention of voiceover? surprising? 3. itunes nine out 4. no beatles back catalog --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Apple Media Event 9/9/09
I dunno why everyone is talking about voiceover on the nano as if it's a new thing lol. I wonder what upgrades are made to voiceover on the nano? On 2009-09-09, at 2:13 PM, Maccessibility wrote: Apple Media Event 9/9/09 Today, Apple announced details of iPhone OS 3.1, iTunes 9, and new models in their iPod lineups. The iPhone OS 3.1 details are scarce as yet, but the update includes pre-cut ring tones from the major record labels. iTunes 9, the latest version of Apple's popular media management software, comes with a plethora of new features, including [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/09/apple-media-event-9909/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Apple Media Event 9/9/09
on the previous nano the computer generated the menus and speech whereas now the product has tts to do that job On 9 Sep 2009, at 16:17, Jessi and Goldina wrote: I dunno why everyone is talking about voiceover on the nano as if it's a new thing lol. I wonder what upgrades are made to voiceover on the nano? On 2009-09-09, at 2:13 PM, Maccessibility wrote: Apple Media Event 9/9/09 Today, Apple announced details of iPhone OS 3.1, iTunes 9, and new models in their iPod lineups. The iPhone OS 3.1 details are scarce as yet, but the update includes pre-cut ring tones from the major record labels. iTunes 9, the latest version of Apple's popular media management software, comes with a plethora of new features, including [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/09/apple-media-event-9909/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Apple Media Event 9/9/09
Hi, I imagine since they said it would be like on the Shuffle, there will be international voices included. Also, although the Mac-cessibility News didn't mention it, along with the video recording camera and voice recording with built in mic, the new nano is supposed to have FM radio. from the ilounge live coverage page on the new Nanos: begin quote 10:58 AM: One more thing... Video camera. YouTube now has 1b video streams a day. They're being created by Flip Video, he shows... Flip sells a 4GB model for $149. Apple wants in on the market. 8GB - you get it for Free by adding it to the iPod nano. New nano is glossy. Looks just like the pictures we posted months ago on iLounge. Speaker now built in as well. Retained the small size - 6.2mm. Now good is it? Video looks a lot like iPhone 3GS video. The nano pictures are on our Flickr account. (See link above.) One click to send to YouTube from a computer. Looks to be 640x480. Nano's screen is now wide. 100 million units sold. By far the most popular music player in the world. VoiceOver is in there, same as the iPod shuffle, plus Genius Mixes. Now will have an FM radio built in. And voice recorder app is built in with built-in mik, plus built-in pedometer. You can now sync up to Nike + with your pedometer data. Larger 2.2 display. Polished anodized aluminum. end quote No word on whether VoiceOver is in the new iPod Touch models, although I suspect it is. And apparently no video camera for the Touch. At least nothing mentioned. Cheers, Esther Jessi and Goldina wrote: I dunno why everyone is talking about voiceover on the nano as if it's a new thing lol. I wonder what upgrades are made to voiceover on the nano? On 2009-09-09, at 2:13 PM, Maccessibility wrote: Apple Media Event 9/9/09 Today, Apple announced details of iPhone OS 3.1, iTunes 9, and new models in their iPod lineups. The iPhone OS 3.1 details are scarce as yet, but the update includes pre-cut ring tones from the major record labels. iTunes 9, the latest version of Apple's popular media management software, comes with a plethora of new features, including [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/09/apple-media-event-9909/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: copying from itunes
Hi Esther, I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and finding the folder and manually copying it. So, now it's on my desktop. But, When I do Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a file. I can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not the desktop. I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not able to view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder. Any thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop? Thank you! Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with Command-C and paste it to the Desktop. You should even be able to press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, Command-Shift-D, just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V. If you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and try your paste again. HTH. Cheers, Esther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh
It is accessible but won't work on any system running later that OS 10.4. As I have heard from HumanWare, there were not enough sales of the initial Mac version to warrant making a new version compatible with Leopard. Melinda On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:37 PM, michael A. Babcock wrote: hi chris; no problem:) mike On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: O, ok. That explains why you're asking. OK. Birhrhrd! Sorry about that Mike. I didn't realize. Chris. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of michael A. Babcock Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:56 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh no they did not make it, it was adapted for the rfbd copy protection rfbd uses. On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: If RFBD made it, and it's for the blind and disabled, wouldn't that naturally probably mean it's accessible? Maybe I'm very naive but... Chris. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of michael A. Babcock Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:26 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh is this software accessible? I don't wanna spend $125 on it, from rfbd, and find out it's not accessible. thanks mike Victor Reader Soft Macintosh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: copying from itunes
Hi Donna, Have you already renamed the file to the .m4r extension? If so, you should be able to just double click on the file with VO-Shift-Space (hold down Control, Option, and Shift keys and tap the space bar twice) to add the file to iTunes. It should show up in the Ringtones list. Cheers, Esther Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Esther, I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and finding the folder and manually copying it. So, now it's on my desktop. But, When I do Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a file. I can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not the desktop. I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not able to view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder. Any thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop? Thank you! Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with Command-C and paste it to the Desktop. You should even be able to press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, Command-Shift-D, just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V. If you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and try your paste again. HTH. Cheers, Esther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh
damn it mike On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Melinda Pethel wrote: It is accessible but won't work on any system running later that OS 10.4. As I have heard from HumanWare, there were not enough sales of the initial Mac version to warrant making a new version compatible with Leopard. Melinda On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:37 PM, michael A. Babcock wrote: hi chris; no problem:) mike On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: O, ok. That explains why you're asking. OK. Birhrhrd! Sorry about that Mike. I didn't realize. Chris. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of michael A. Babcock Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:56 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh no they did not make it, it was adapted for the rfbd copy protection rfbd uses. On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: If RFBD made it, and it's for the blind and disabled, wouldn't that naturally probably mean it's accessible? Maybe I'm very naive but... Chris. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of michael A. Babcock Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:26 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh is this software accessible? I don't wanna spend $125 on it, from rfbd, and find out it's not accessible. thanks mike Victor Reader Soft Macintosh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Apple Media Event 9/9/09
oh, okay. I gotcha. the nano has a built in TTS engine. what voice is it? I suspect it's the same one as on the iPhone? and then the international ones are probably the same as the shuffle? that's really cool!! I'd really like to see one of these! i'm curious how the video camera fits in cuz the unit is already so small!! On 2009-09-09, at 2:25 PM, Esther wrote: Hi, I imagine since they said it would be like on the Shuffle, there will be international voices included. Also, although the Mac-cessibility News didn't mention it, along with the video recording camera and voice recording with built in mic, the new nano is supposed to have FM radio. from the ilounge live coverage page on the new Nanos: begin quote 10:58 AM: One more thing... Video camera. YouTube now has 1b video streams a day. They're being created by Flip Video, he shows... Flip sells a 4GB model for $149. Apple wants in on the market. 8GB - you get it for Free by adding it to the iPod nano. New nano is glossy. Looks just like the pictures we posted months ago on iLounge. Speaker now built in as well. Retained the small size - 6.2mm. Now good is it? Video looks a lot like iPhone 3GS video. The nano pictures are on our Flickr account. (See link above.) One click to send to YouTube from a computer. Looks to be 640x480. Nano's screen is now wide. 100 million units sold. By far the most popular music player in the world. VoiceOver is in there, same as the iPod shuffle, plus Genius Mixes. Now will have an FM radio built in. And voice recorder app is built in with built-in mik, plus built-in pedometer. You can now sync up to Nike + with your pedometer data. Larger 2.2 display. Polished anodized aluminum. end quote No word on whether VoiceOver is in the new iPod Touch models, although I suspect it is. And apparently no video camera for the Touch. At least nothing mentioned. Cheers, Esther Jessi and Goldina wrote: I dunno why everyone is talking about voiceover on the nano as if it's a new thing lol. I wonder what upgrades are made to voiceover on the nano? On 2009-09-09, at 2:13 PM, Maccessibility wrote: Apple Media Event 9/9/09 Today, Apple announced details of iPhone OS 3.1, iTunes 9, and new models in their iPod lineups. The iPhone OS 3.1 details are scarce as yet, but the update includes pre-cut ring tones from the major record labels. iTunes 9, the latest version of Apple's popular media management software, comes with a plethora of new features, including [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/09/apple-media-event-9909/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
voiceover on ipodt touch
voiceover is on the new ipod touch! http://www.apple.com/accessibility/itunes/ipodtouch.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: copying from itunes
Hi Esther, Well, double-clicking on the file didn't do anything. So I tried pressing Command-O with the file on my desktop selected--and yes, renamed with the M4R extension. That did cause it to be imported into itunes, at least I can see it in the ringtones playlist. But, when I try to play it, it won't play. Is that normal? Thanks, Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:29 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Have you already renamed the file to the .m4r extension? If so, you should be able to just double click on the file with VO-Shift-Space (hold down Control, Option, and Shift keys and tap the space bar twice) to add the file to iTunes. It should show up in the Ringtones list. Cheers, Esther Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Esther, I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and finding the folder and manually copying it. So, now it's on my desktop. But, When I do Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a file. I can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not the desktop. I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not able to view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder. Any thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop? Thank you! Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with Command-C and paste it to the Desktop. You should even be able to press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, Command-Shift-D, just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V. If you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and try your paste again. HTH. Cheers, Esther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: copying from itunes
Hi Donna, Once you rename the extension, try moving the file from your desktop to your iTunes folder. Then open it in itunes by pressing Control-O. Best, Anna On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Esther, I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and finding the folder and manually copying it. So, now it's on my desktop. But, When I do Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a file. I can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not the desktop. I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not able to view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder. Any thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop? Thank you! Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with Command-C and paste it to the Desktop. You should even be able to press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, Command-Shift-D, just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V. If you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and try your paste again. HTH. Cheers, Esther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: copying from itunes
Hi Anna, Do you know what the time limit for ringtones is? I've heard both 30 and 40 seconds. My file is 37 secs, so want to make sure it isn't too long. Thanks, Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:45 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Once you rename the extension, try moving the file from your desktop to your iTunes folder. Then open it in itunes by pressing Control-O. Best, Anna On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Esther, I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and finding the folder and manually copying it. So, now it's on my desktop. But, When I do Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a file. I can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not the desktop. I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not able to view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder. Any thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop? Thank you! Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with Command-C and paste it to the Desktop. You should even be able to press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, Command-Shift-D, just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V. If you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and try your paste again. HTH. Cheers, Esther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
cut copy and paste comes to ipod touch and this is in the 3.1 iphone firmware as well
Cut, copy, and paste comes to iPod touch. To bring up cut, copy, and paste options, use the rotor and choose Edit. Flick up or down to choose between the Select and Select All functions, then double tap. If you choose Select, the word closest to the insertion point is selected when you double tap. Pinch to increase or decrease the selection. If you choose Select All, the entire text is selected. When text is selected, cut, copy, and paste options appear on the screen. If you want to undo something, just give iPod touch a shake. You can also flick left or right to choose the undo action, then double tap. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: copying from itunes
Hi Donna, How odd that double-clicking didn't open the file by default into iTunes. And your track should play when you select it and press Return. OK, a few thoughts: 1. If you select the track in the ringtones playlist, can you check that the time is under 40 seconds? Look in the songs table, and VO- Right arrow past the name to the total time. 2. Can you do a Get Info (Command-I) on the track and select the Summary tab instead of the Options tab? It will probably come up with your focus on the Summary tab and with this selected, but if not, select this tab with VO-Space. VO-Right arrow into this pane past the title. You should hear a report of the Kind of file, for instance: Kind: Ringtone, Size: 637.3 KB, Bit Rate: 256 kbps (VBR), Sample Rate: 44.100 kHz, Date Modified: 9/7/09 08:52, Play Count: 2, Last Played: 9/7/09 09:10 unknown I used VO-Shift-C to copy this group and paste it in. I'm curious about whether your bit rate setting is at some value that the Ringtone won't recognize. Can you check this information? (This is the information for a ringtone I created as a test.) 3. If you have Amadeus Pro, can you open and play the track there? For example, if you have a copy of the track on your Desktop, and you use the context menu (VO-Shift-M), find the Open with menu option, Right arrow to the submenu, then arrow down to Amadeus Pro and press return, it should get loaded into Amadeus Pro. Can you play it there if you press space bar? If so, you should be able to select all (Command-A), go to the File menu and select the Export as iTunes Ringtone… option (VO-M, press F, arrow down and press E). It may do another encoding conversion -- just accept the defaults. I think that should add the file to the iPhones Ringtone directory, but you may have to open it again or use Spotlight to search for the file. I tried that way of generating ring tones from my purchased (DRM-free songs) and it seemed to work. Those are most of my current thoughts. I did a few quick experiments with Amadeus Pro. However, I've generated tracks that show up and play as Ringtones solely in iTunes as well (even with tracks purchased from the iTunes Store), so you should be able to do it, as well. Cheers, Esther Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Esther, Well, double-clicking on the file didn't do anything. So I tried pressing Command-O with the file on my desktop selected--and yes, renamed with the M4R extension. That did cause it to be imported into itunes, at least I can see it in the ringtones playlist. But, when I try to play it, it won't play. Is that normal? Thanks, Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:29 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Have you already renamed the file to the .m4r extension? If so, you should be able to just double click on the file with VO-Shift-Space (hold down Control, Option, and Shift keys and tap the space bar twice) to add the file to iTunes. It should show up in the Ringtones list. Cheers, Esther Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Esther, I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and finding the folder and manually copying it. So, now it's on my desktop. But, When I do Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a file. I can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not the desktop. I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not able to view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder. Any thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop? Thank you! Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window,
Re: getting an individuals email address
Hi, I'm sorry my instructions were not clear. I believe there are a few ways you can accomplish this task. Before the upgrade it was much easier to just focus on the message headers, interact with it then move to the senders address and press vo + spacebar because the sender's name/e-mail address was a menu button which opened a few options such as copy or reply to sender. Now it does not seem as simple to me. So, here is one way I have been able to accomplish replying to the sender directly instead of the entire list. 1. Use the vo + arrow keys to get to the message header. I believe you will hear voiceover say something like message header. 2. press vo + shift + down arrow to interact with message headers. 3. Press vo + right arrow once, you should hear voiceover say from. 4. Press vo + enter. This will allow you to highlight. 5. Press vo + right arrow once. You should hear voiceover announce the sender's name/e-mail address. 6. Press vo + return to turn highlighting off. You should hear voice over announce what is highlighted. 7. Press vo + shift + M. This should bring up a context menu. 8. Arrow up and down through the options. You can copy address or I often use reply to sender which will open up a new message with the sender's address already entered in the to field and the curser should be in the message area where you can type your message. This e- mail should behave as any other message you reply to. I also believe you can choose an option to send a new message to the sender which will open up a new message with the address already entered in the to field. 9. Press vo + spacebar to select the option you want from the context menu. One other thing that can work depending on how the e-mail list serve is set up is to press command shift r to reply to all. Then you can go up to the message header, interact with it and delete the address of the e-mail group. However, this does not seem to be working for me for the macvisionaries list. This has worked for me in the past with other groups but I have not tried this since the upgrade to SL. I think it depends on how the e-mail group list serve is set up. One other thing which I have not tried is to use command + shift + Y. This is to add the sender's address to your address book. I'm just not sure if it would add the group's e-mail address or the actual sender's address. You could try this command plus shift plus y and then open a new message to compose and then in the to field you can just try typing their name or the first few letters of their address. Best of luck, Christina On Sep 9, 2009, at 5:41 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: hmm, this doesn't seem to work in snow leopard. I've just been trying to read the email address and remember what it is, but there has to be an easier way in sl! On 2009-09-09, at 2:22 AM, Christina wrote: Hi, I miss the menu button. However, if you select the text with the name/ e-mail address in the from area then you can use vo plus shift plus m. At least that worked for me. I do not know of an easier way to select the text other than to use vo plus enter to start highlighting/ selecting the text then using vo plus enter to end selecting the text. Then you can use vo plus shift plus m. I hope that helps. Christina On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: Interact with the message content area and move the vo cursor over the message headers and enter act with it. Or, if you are reading a message, stop interacting with the body text and move vo up to the headers. In leopard, vo saw the address as a menu button. I've just noticed that now it doesn't. Nor does vo-space, or vo-shft-m work on it. Now you have to route the mouse to the address and shft-click to get the menu. On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, not sure if this has been covered before, but i would like to get a persons emal address who posts to the macvisionarie slist, i nwindows you can do this by standing on the name and then getting the ctrl-f10 menu and doing settings. Can i do this on the mac? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: copying from itunes
Hi Esther, Thanks for the Command-R shortcut! That's *very cool! Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with Command-C and paste it to the Desktop. You should even be able to press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, Command-Shift-D, just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V. If you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and try your paste again. HTH. Cheers, Esther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: copying from itunes
Hi Anna, Good thought about moving this to the iTunes Music folder before adding it. I forgot that Donna may have her preferences set so that Copy files to iTunes Music Folder when adding to Library is unchecked on the Advanced pane of the iTunes preferences menu. Of course, iTunes will expect the tracks to be in the iTunes library location. Cheers, Esther Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi Donna, Once you rename the extension, try moving the file from your desktop to your iTunes folder. Then open it in itunes by pressing Control-O. Best, Anna On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Esther, I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and finding the folder and manually copying it. So, now it's on my desktop. But, When I do Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a file. I can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not the desktop. I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not able to view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder. Any thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop? Thank you! Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with Command-C and paste it to the Desktop. You should even be able to press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, Command-Shift-D, just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V. If you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and try your paste again. HTH. Cheers, Esther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Recording capabilities of the new iPod Nanos and Touches
Hi all, These iPod releases come at an interesting time for me, as my field recorder has popped it's cloggs and I'm due a new toy. So far I'm not having much luck turning up specifics of the new recording functionality, but I'm wondering whether this new line of iPods might be a quick and dirty fix to get the job done. I guess I need to know: Is the in built mic stereo or mono? If mono, any way of hooking up an external mic? Can the user set recording levels? Any sort of AGC or limiter? What format do these little beauties record down too? Just so you understand, I'm not looking to capture every subtle nuance of a woodland glade on a crisp autumn morning with this thing. It's basically got to stand up to the abuse of a 5 peace alt rock band a few times a week, and get the ocasional dirty bootleg of a session or gig is all. If you find any info to shed light on the above, please post it up. TIA Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: copying from itunes
Hi Esther, The bit rate is the same as your sample, 256 KBPS, and the length of the ringtone is 32 seconds. I tried to copy all the info, but didn't have options to select and copy in the info table. When I press space, it says it's playing, but there's no sound. Also, I can play the file with no problem if I play the copy that's on my desktop. Thanks for all this help, Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:14 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, How odd that double-clicking didn't open the file by default into iTunes. And your track should play when you select it and press Return. OK, a few thoughts: 1. If you select the track in the ringtones playlist, can you check that the time is under 40 seconds? Look in the songs table, and VO- Right arrow past the name to the total time. 2. Can you do a Get Info (Command-I) on the track and select the Summary tab instead of the Options tab? It will probably come up with your focus on the Summary tab and with this selected, but if not, select this tab with VO-Space. VO-Right arrow into this pane past the title. You should hear a report of the Kind of file, for instance: Kind: Ringtone, Size: 637.3 KB, Bit Rate: 256 kbps (VBR), Sample Rate: 44.100 kHz, Date Modified: 9/7/09 08:52, Play Count: 2, Last Played: 9/7/09 09:10 unknown I used VO-Shift-C to copy this group and paste it in. I'm curious about whether your bit rate setting is at some value that the Ringtone won't recognize. Can you check this information? (This is the information for a ringtone I created as a test.) 3. If you have Amadeus Pro, can you open and play the track there? For example, if you have a copy of the track on your Desktop, and you use the context menu (VO-Shift-M), find the Open with menu option, Right arrow to the submenu, then arrow down to Amadeus Pro and press return, it should get loaded into Amadeus Pro. Can you play it there if you press space bar? If so, you should be able to select all (Command-A), go to the File menu and select the Export as iTunes Ringtone. option (VO-M, press F, arrow down and press E). It may do another encoding conversion -- just accept the defaults. I think that should add the file to the iPhones Ringtone directory, but you may have to open it again or use Spotlight to search for the file. I tried that way of generating ring tones from my purchased (DRM-free songs) and it seemed to work. Those are most of my current thoughts. I did a few quick experiments with Amadeus Pro. However, I've generated tracks that show up and play as Ringtones solely in iTunes as well (even with tracks purchased from the iTunes Store), so you should be able to do it, as well. Cheers, Esther Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Esther, Well, double-clicking on the file didn't do anything. So I tried pressing Command-O with the file on my desktop selected--and yes, renamed with the M4R extension. That did cause it to be imported into itunes, at least I can see it in the ringtones playlist. But, when I try to play it, it won't play. Is that normal? Thanks, Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:29 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Have you already renamed the file to the .m4r extension? If so, you should be able to just double click on the file with VO-Shift-Space (hold down Control, Option, and Shift keys and tap the space bar twice) to add the file to iTunes. It should show up in the Ringtones list. Cheers, Esther Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Esther, I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and finding the folder and manually copying it. So, now it's on my desktop. But, When I do Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a file. I can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not the desktop. I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not able to view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder. Any thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop? Thank you! Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created
RE: copying from itunes
Good thought, but no, that option is checked. Thanks, Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:18 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Anna, Good thought about moving this to the iTunes Music folder before adding it. I forgot that Donna may have her preferences set so that Copy files to iTunes Music Folder when adding to Library is unchecked on the Advanced pane of the iTunes preferences menu. Of course, iTunes will expect the tracks to be in the iTunes library location. Cheers, Esther Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi Donna, Once you rename the extension, try moving the file from your desktop to your iTunes folder. Then open it in itunes by pressing Control-O. Best, Anna On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Esther, I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and finding the folder and manually copying it. So, now it's on my desktop. But, When I do Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a file. I can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not the desktop. I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not able to view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder. Any thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop? Thank you! Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with Command-C and paste it to the Desktop. You should even be able to press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, Command-Shift- D, just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V. If you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and try your paste again. HTH. Cheers, Esther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: copying from itunes
You guys won't believe this! When I came back to write my last message, I closed out itunes. I just went back over to the mac and reopened it to double-check that the copy to Itunes library option had remained checked. When I reopened Itunes, it told me that the volume was turned all the way down. I have *no idea how this happened, and I would never have figured it out, since I had no problem playing the copy on my desktop. UUU8UGHG! So, the volume's back up, and now the ringtone is playing just fine! Esther thank you so much for all your patience and for walking me through this. One things for sure, having gone through the process this many times, I won't forget how to do it! *grin* Take care, Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with Command-C and paste it to the Desktop. You should even be able to press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, Command-Shift-D, just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V. If you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and try your paste again. HTH. Cheers, Esther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
itunes 9 available
Just downloading it now, after an update of the quicktime player. Can't wait to see if the app order application is accessible :) best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: copying from itunes
Hi Donna, Glad this worked, I was just about to tell you to check the volume slider setting in iTunes. This happened once to me. There's a separate volume control for iTunes, and if you VO-Right arrow past the LCD section you'll get the buttons for Mute, Slider, and Full Volume. If you interact with the slider you can use your arrow keys to set the exact volume level. The weirdest problem I encountered with iTunes volume was once, when a track sounded muted, and I went to the volume slider to find it was at 100 per cent (full volume). But when I backed off a little bit, the sound came back. Go figure. Cheers, Esther Donna Goodin wrote: You guys won't believe this! When I came back to write my last message, I closed out itunes. I just went back over to the mac and reopened it to double-check that the copy to Itunes library option had remained checked. When I reopened Itunes, it told me that the volume was turned all the way down. I have *no idea how this happened, and I would never have figured it out, since I had no problem playing the copy on my desktop. UUU8UGHG! So, the volume's back up, and now the ringtone is playing just fine! Esther thank you so much for all your patience and for walking me through this. One things for sure, having gone through the process this many times, I won't forget how to do it! *grin* Take care, Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with Command-C and paste it to the Desktop. You should even be able to press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, Command-Shift-D, just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V. If you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and try your paste again. HTH. Cheers, Esther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: itunes 9 available
it still says the old eye eye eye eye eye eye eye tunes stores thing lol but good how they do the menu now for your account etc On 9 Sep 2009, at 20:51, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: Just downloading it now, after an update of the quicktime player. Can't wait to see if the app order application is accessible :) best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: wireless connections
Uh, for now I'd like to keep it simple, smile. Just until I get use to Mac. Playing on the web I haven't gotten to yet. May, I finally have my MacBook, yay!! blog: www.true-friends2009.com - Original Message - From: Mark BurningHawk Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:20 AM Subject: Re: wireless connections You might use a program like IP Scanner, http://10base-t.com/macintosh-software/ip-scanner/ I'm not sure if this will work; it will only work if the FSID is being broadcast by the network. Course, if you're mostly looking for free WIFI, it might just do the trick. Enjoy. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: wireless connections
M twice, then VO right arrow until you hear the airport menu; Down arrow at that point to hear a list of all the wireless networks your Mac sees; there's a join other networks, option if you know the FSID of the network you want and it's not being broadcast. That's simpler. :) VO Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Wondering about convertion of Aiff files to compressed files for ipod
Hi everybody. With the release of Ipod touch, I now have to face the issue of converting my itunes library to something that is handled nicely on the Ipod. My itunes Library files are uncompressed Aiff files, and I will have to convert that into e.g. Aac compressed audio that plays on the ipod. Is that done automaticly when syncing the ipod with my Imac or do I have to do something to ease the process? Thanks for any help you can provide! /Jesper. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ftpclients on the mac?
I'd also like to recommend filezilla which is free. It might be familiar to some formal windows users on this list but it's accessible with vo also. MikeÎ On Sep 4, 2009, at 2:32 AM, anouk radix wrote: Thanks Erik I had already dowloaded unison not knowing it was by panic. When i just browsed their site yesterdauy I could not locate unison there. Great to know that downloading binaries does work on the mac. Greetings, Anouk,On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:25 AM, hank smith wrote: hat is the website? the link that was given earlier gave stuff on mental health etc - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: ftpclients on the mac? /You're going to get loads of recomendations for transmit, but I just wanted to add mine anyway, because transmit is plain awesom. Unison is amazing as well if you like binary news groups. In fact, just buy anything put out by panic software on the off chance you might need or want it one day and you won't be disappointed. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Sep-09, at 9:01 AM, anouk radix wrote: Hello are there any good ftp-clients that work with voicover? With good i mean that they have to be able to que stuff and download folders. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
purchased book from itunes
Hi everyone, I can't find the book i purchasedfrom itunes in the sources table. And there is no checkbox in the prefs. Even on the new itunes i can't find it. I really like the new menu on the itunes store though :) Oh, before i digressed: does anyone know where i can find book files? Thanks, and best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: getting an individuals email address
Doesn't comand Y not work? Does here in tigerland.Would be faster at least to get the address in book. Of course if you want to hear the actual address, back to interaction again *lol.* On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: thanks!! :) I'm so glad I know how to do this again!! yay!!! On 2009-09-09, at 11:55 AM, John André Netland wrote: Hi Jessi, If you focus on the header, interact with it and focus on the from address, and press VO-shift-space, you will hear menu and can arrow down to copy the address etc. etc. Just remember to route the mouse to your VO cursor with VO-command-F5 before you click, since I suppose you have set mouse cursor to ignore VO cursor to avoid the sub menu issue. I tested this with a message from you now, and it works just fine in SL. Take care, John André On 9. sep. 2009, at 14.41, Jessi and Goldina wrote: hmm, this doesn't seem to work in snow leopard. I've just been trying to read the email address and remember what it is, but there has to be an easier way in sl! On 2009-09-09, at 2:22 AM, Christina wrote: Hi, I miss the menu button. However, if you select the text with the name/ e-mail address in the from area then you can use vo plus shift plus m. At least that worked for me. I do not know of an easier way to select the text other than to use vo plus enter to start highlighting/ selecting the text then using vo plus enter to end selecting the text. Then you can use vo plus shift plus m. I hope that helps. Christina On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: Interact with the message content area and move the vo cursor over the message headers and enter act with it. Or, if you are reading a message, stop interacting with the body text and move vo up to the headers. In leopard, vo saw the address as a menu button. I've just noticed that now it doesn't. Nor does vo-space, or vo-shft-m work on it. Now you have to route the mouse to the address and shft-click to get the menu. On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, not sure if this has been covered before, but i would like to get a persons emal address who posts to the macvisionarie slist, i nwindows you can do this by standing on the name and then getting the ctrl-f10 menu and doing settings. Can i do this on the mac? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over menu script
OK, I looked at this a bit. The way to start an application is to use tell for it... So the below worked for me. tell application VoiceOver Utility activate end tell On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: Hi everyone, After reading quite a few things and testing out for myself, i've gotten to understand certain basics. I wrote this little piece of code to open up the voice over utility tell application Finder open application VoiceOver Utility end tell the script returns no error, the voice over utility opens fine, but it then gives me an error saying voice over utility has an error. When i get back to it, there is no problem navigating through it etc. next piece of code i'm thinking of adding is a get paremeters so i can trace where each of the grid rows and tabs are nested within the aipplication. But i wanted to know if anyone can emulate this error and tell me where i've gone wrong??? :) Baby steps, but big leap into this huge pool of possibilities best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Working with more than one acount
Chris, sorry I must have missed the initial message on this thread, but you are correct. On Sep 9, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: I didn't notice any replies to your email so I'll take a crack at it. If software update does the update it should apply to all accounts. If the account has insufficient privileges to complete the update it should either fail and tell you or ask for the admin account to authenticate. While you may have multiple accounts, they share the same core applications and OS components. So an update to iTunes or a security patch to Safari will be noticed by all users. CB James Nash wrote: Hi folks, As I think I mentioned before on here, I always use a limited account for my daily use on all my computers - wether it's Windows, Linux or Mac. So I was wondering. If I use the Admin account to run Software Update, will the updates be applied to the entire OS or only for that account? Also, I have notieced that if I enter my Admin password whilse in my limited account, I can bypass it and do what I want. Is there a way to tell Mac OS X not to offer me this choice as in Linux please? Thank you Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: copying from itunes
Ah, that makes sense. I didn't realize that ITunes is basically an interface with Quicktime. Best, Donna On Sep 9, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Donna, I'll post a longer answer about copying for Ringtones later, but as a quick answer to your question, the difference in your being able to play the Desktop version vs. the version in iTunes may be that in iTunes the setting of you volume slider was checked. If it was something weird, like Full volume on the slider being registered as 0 on the switch, things could have behaved the way you described. iTunes actually plays and encodes music through QuickTime, which is why Windows users have to download QuickTime as well as iTunes. The QuickTime interface offers more playing and control options, but doesn't support DRM music or Audible books. If the Desktop version triggered QuickTime's player, that could be another reason that the switch setting in iTunes was ignored. Cheers, Esther Donna Goodin wrote: Well, it's nice to know that I'm not the only one who's experienced such weirdness. :) I'm just curious though, do you happen to know why the volume being muted would impact playing the version that had been imported, but not the version on my desktop that hadn't? Take care, Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:53 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Glad this worked, I was just about to tell you to check the volume slider setting in iTunes. This happened once to me. There's a separate volume control for iTunes, and if you VO-Right arrow past the LCD section you'll get the buttons for Mute, Slider, and Full Volume. If you interact with the slider you can use your arrow keys to set the exact volume level. The weirdest problem I encountered with iTunes volume was once, when a track sounded muted, and I went to the volume slider to find it was at 100 per cent (full volume). But when I backed off a little bit, the sound came back. Go figure. Cheers, Esther Donna Goodin wrote: You guys won't believe this! When I came back to write my last message, I closed out itunes. I just went back over to the mac and reopened it to double-check that the copy to Itunes library option had remained checked. When I reopened Itunes, it told me that the volume was turned all the way down. I have *no idea how this happened, and I would never have figured it out, since I had no problem playing the copy on my desktop. UUU8UGHG! So, the volume's back up, and now the ringtone is playing just fine! Esther thank you so much for all your patience and for walking me through this. One things for sure, having gone through the process this many times, I won't forget how to do it! *grin* Take care, Donna -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying from itunes Hi Donna, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones. But I am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file I've created and not any other files either. This seems to be new behavior with Snow Leopard? At least, it never happened to me before. The copy option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and also activating it through the menu. But when I go to paste it onto my desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed. Anyone know what could be happening? You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes with Create AAC Version and have that track highlighted in iTunes use the Command-R shortcut that shows the location of the file in Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track highlighted. Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with Command-C and paste it to the Desktop. You should even be able to press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, Command-Shift- D, just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V. If you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and try your paste again. HTH. Cheers, Esther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
mobile me account
Hi all, I've been trying to register for the free trial to mobile me, and went to fill in my billing info, but when i press on the unlabelled button, i keep getting back to the same page. I've noticed thatthere is no radio button or anything to say that i agree to terms of service, unless that unlabelled button is the i agree button, but it still won't route me to the next step of the registration. Has anyone encountered this problem? Does one need sighted assistance to go through the process? Any help or pointer would be greatly appreciated Thanks, and best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
FTP Server was RE: ftpclients on the mac?
If they'd make their server available on the Mac, I'd be very happy. Anyone know of a good FTP server with a comparable feature set of FileZilla Server? I'd prefer it to be free, but if it's cheap that's fine too. Thanks, Blake Subject: Re: ftpclients on the mac? From: blindgu...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:35:53 -0500 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com I'd also like to recommend filezilla which is free. It might be familiar to some formal windows users on this list but it's accessible with vo also. MikeÎ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over menu script
Hi John, I thought voiceover utility couldn't be openend directly from the tell command as it wasn't in the suites in the library...lol Well, that does clear it up, got much more to read :) Best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
EFI Mac Mini Firmware update
Does anyone know what this is? Haven't got a clue. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Connecting with Mac to wireless network
Hi folks, I have a slight problem. I can connect to my wireless network on my Windows machine and my MacBook can locate other networks but it cannot locate or connect to my own wireless network. It does connect when via the Ethernet cable connecting directly to my Router/moden. Can anyone please advise? Thank you Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jamochamud (java program)
Excellent; I'll let you know when I've worked on the accessibility issues in JamochaMUD. According to the documentation I've found Java has a lot of built-in accessibility features so it may be relatively trivial to get things set-up (everything from tool-tips and keyboard navigation to binding labels to text fields). It will probably be more of a wait for me to find time to make the changes than to do the actual work! Jeff On Sep 9, 10:04 am, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hi there, I would be very glad to help in any way I can. I can of course run windows virtually via vmware but I would rather do stuff natively on the mac. I did hear from some people that you have to label the buttons if this is at all possible in java. I did get initial text, the buttons just were not labeled or did not have help text. When you think stuff should work I will also inform some other mudders I know to have a mac but not be on any list. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:31 PM, J. Robinson wrote: Thanks for writing back. I wasn't certain if there was something I had to do directly to make JamochaMUD usable by screen readers and the like, but a little poking around shows that there is indeed a Java Accessible programming interface. This implies to me that if I implement the accessible features of Java then it will probably play nice with the Mac Voiceover. I do most of my programming in Linux, but luckily my wife has a Mac laptop so I should be able to do some testing. Would you mind if I contact you in the future to do some testing for me once I feel I've got accessibility features added? Jeff On Sep 8, 7:20 pm, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello, sorry for the late reply. I myself recently switched to the mac and am not a programmer. I would love to just use the mac though, replacing windows because i really love the os x operating system anbd voiceover. I would recommend trying to mail accessibil...@apple.com to see if they know of osme improvements you can do... I have also forwarded your message to the other mailing list for blind people on th emac macvoiceover so hopefully you will get some replies. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:29 PM, J. Robinson wrote: Hi there, I'm the author of JamochaMUD. In the interest of making JamochaMUD as good as it can be for multiple platforms, I'd be interested in hearing exactly what problems you are having with JamochaMUD to see if I can solve them. Especially if there are certain things that are Mac-specific that I may have over- looked. Jeff On Sep 2, 12:14 pm, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello, this free mud client does not seem to have problems with snow leopard but it is nt really accessible either, i can read the welcom screen but then i cant go to menus (if it has those) or go to buttons, they have no help tag. should java normally work with voicover? Their website is jamochamud.org and it seems to be the only mudclient for os x that is still being developed. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Connecting with Mac to wireless network
1. can your mac see the network but not connect? 2. Is your wireless router configured by you or another party. 3. Which MacOS are you running? On Sep 9, 2009, at 6:24 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, I have a slight problem. I can connect to my wireless network on my Windows machine and my MacBook can locate other networks but it cannot locate or connect to my own wireless network. It does connect when via the Ethernet cable connecting directly to my Router/moden. Can anyone please advise? Thank you Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Connecting with Mac to wireless network
I'm currently running Mac OS X leopard. No the Mac cannot see the network and I have not changed any settings that my ISP sent me. I do have Snow Leopard, but I don't want to upgrade yet. Thanks Take care James - Original Message - From: Jonathan C. Cohn jon.c.c...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: Re: Connecting with Mac to wireless network 1. can your mac see the network but not connect? 2. Is your wireless router configured by you or another party. 3. Which MacOS are you running? On Sep 9, 2009, at 6:24 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, I have a slight problem. I can connect to my wireless network on my Windows machine and my MacBook can locate other networks but it cannot locate or connect to my own wireless network. It does connect when via the Ethernet cable connecting directly to my Router/moden. Can anyone please advise? Thank you Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Connecting with Mac to wireless network
Is the wireless turned on? I assume you have a relatively new mac that supports 802.11N? Older macs with 802.11G or 802.11B can not see 802.11A networks. So that might also be a problem for you. Write me at jonc...@cox.net and I will try to get back with you directly. Jonathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
itunes busy when skipping through songs?
hey guys noticed a little thing with iTunes nine. when I try to skip quickly through my library, iTunes seems to be busy for a few seconds before skipping through to the next song. it's not a huge deal, but kind of annoying when skipping through songs! anyone else notice this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: EFI Mac Mini Firmware update
Hi Rich, The simplest comparrison to make as a new switcher is to think of it as a bios update, efi is pretty much the mac's equivillent. Downloading them usually means good news. Just be sure to take care to read the update instructions that come up before it restarts, because they usually require a boot up in a slightly different way to normal. On my mbp, you have to hold down the power button continuously until the poor thing makes a beep that's louder and longer than I imagined, but it might be a different procedure on a mini. If you're really lucky, you might be spared the beep. Have at it, and give us a shout if anything irks you. Scott On 9/9/09, Rich Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know what this is? Haven't got a clue. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iWeb files
Hi list: Just wondering where iWeb keeps it's files? Last thing to back up before I install SL. Thanks: Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
two more questions
Ok, I'm not doing to bad over here, smile. 1. Is there a quick way to start safari? 2. Can someone send me instructions on how to use IWorks? I need to do an assignment for class and I'd like to try doing it on my Mac. May, I finally have my MacBook, yay!! blog: www.true-friends2009.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Initial Experience
Hi Scott, Okay, I'll have to check again to see what the 2 DVD's are. One was an application disk as you stated, but the other seemed to be 10.5, but I'll check this out again. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:24 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Initial Experience Less, you should have received two DVDs with your system and one is a SL restoration disc and the other should contain the optional install software such as iLife. On Sep 9, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Mike, I got the impression from Apple that if it was pre-installed, I would not receive a DVD. I'll call them and see if I can get a DVD for the reason you stated. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:21 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Initial Experience If you have the quick nav feature, then you have snow leopard. It should have came with a dvd or 2 though, in case you need to reinstall. To fix your function keys, go in to system preferences, and choose keyboard. Check the option to use the f keys as standard function keys. On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: I powered up my Mac and did some experimenting. Lots of trial and error, but overall, the system seems very responsive. I thought I was going to have to install Snow Leopard, but I don't seem to have a Snow Leopard DVD. So I tried turning Quick Nav on and received a message that Quick Nav was on. I'm assuming that in fact, Snow Leopard was pre-installed? I'm certainly not unhappy if that's the case, just want to be certain this is the case. I did try bringing up the VO utilities menu with VO F8, but it didn't launch. Any ideas on that one? Also, I noticed that Command F5 started VoiceOver on my MacBook Pro, but the FN key wasn't required along with Command F5. I don't recall changing anything related to System Preferences regarding the behavior of the Function keys, but I certainly could have without realizing it. I went through the setup assistant and have started reviewing the Quick Start VoiceOver tutorial. I'm off to a slow but happy and steady beginning! Les __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4408 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4408 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4408 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4408 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4411 (20090909) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4411 (20090909) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4411 (20090909) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: EFI Mac Mini Firmware update
It appears to be a fermware to the hardware internal of some kind. I did install it and it seems to be. Matthew On Sep 9, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Rich Ring wrote: Does anyone know what this is? Haven't got a clue. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
