Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[Craig]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:55:29 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> I'm still shocked that they'd let you keep it for less than half the
> meltdown value.

I was astounded by the number, too. I asked about it saying, "You mean
the salvage value is $171?" The lady said that's what they (people from a
different department) told us. It made the decision to keep it quite easy.
:-)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[WILTON]

Aircraft mechanic's motto:  If it won't go, get a bigger hammer.  ;<)))

Wilton

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Sounds like it's good to go.  Who needs a body shop?

--R

On 10/21/11 4:50 PM, Craig wrote:

So I pulled off the
road in the industrial area, pulled out the 2 pound hammer I brought
along, banged off the plastic panels on the outside of the body just
behind the right front wheel well, and then banged the metal about 1/2"
further back.


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Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[Rich Thomas]

There is a fairly nice 300E sitting at the mech up the road, has been 
there for quite some time, some sort of engine trouble I think.  
Probably get a good deal on it.


--R

On 10/21/11 10:32 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

Now I think you need to find a rustfree 123 chassis and stick your
$170 V8 drivetrain in it.

Probably easier to find a 300E with a bad head gasket, and certainly
an easier swap.

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Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Now I think you need to find a rustfree 123 chassis and stick your
> $170 V8 drivetrain in it.

Probably easier to find a 300E with a bad head gasket, and certainly
an easier swap.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:12:43 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:


Better yet, a chargeable crash on Shirley's CLUE report.


CLUE report? 


http://oci.wi.gov/pub_list/pi-207.htm



Why is that better?


Perhaps I should have said 'it gets worse'?

> Other than the right side of the front bumper, the air dam, and the right
> front suspension, it's just fine.

I was thinking you could rebuild it, then I remembered you're good at engine 
swaps. Now I think you need to find a rustfree 123 chassis and stick your $170 
V8 drivetrain in it. I'm still shocked that they'd let you keep it for less than 
half the meltdown value. Usually they want 20-35% of the appraisal, or a minimum 
of $800 in your case.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[Rick Knoble]

> Craig wrote;
> 


>> Better yet, a chargeable crash on Shirley's CLUE report.
> 
> CLUE report? Why is that better?1


It's not. He is using irony/sarcasm. CLUE stands for Comprehensive Loss 
Underwriting Exchange report. Shared information about your insurance history, 
much like a credit report is for the credit industry. I believe you are 
entitled to one free report a year, same as credit reports. 
Personalreports.lexisnexis.com is the link I think. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[Craig]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:41:30 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> So it drove home under it's own power. Can't be that bad

Other than the right side of the front bumper, the air dam, and the right
front suspension, it's just fine.


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Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[Craig]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:12:43 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Randy Bennell wrote:
> 
> > Unfortunately, you also get an insurance claim out of the deal.
> 
> Better yet, a chargeable crash on Shirley's CLUE report.

CLUE report? Why is that better?


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Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

So it drove home under it's own power. Can't be that bad

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On Oct 21, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:36:37 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>  wrote:
> 
>> How much to buy it back?
> 
> $170.72
> 
> 
>> Surely it can be fixed fairly easily
> 
> Not according to the body shop. The fellow had his assistant raise the
> right front on a jack and showed me that the attachment for the right
> lower control arm was bent backward so the sub-frame would have to be
> replaced, which would require removing the engine.
> 
> The estimate includes $2275.35 of parts, including,
>- Right lower control arm$490.00
>- Right strut$294.00
>- Right knuckle$350.00
>- Suspension crossmember$590.00
> 
> It also includes,
>- 13.5 hours of body labor$634.50
>-  9.3 hours of paint labor$437.10
>- 11.7 hours of mechanical labor$877.50
>-  6.0 hours of frame labor$450.00
>-  9.3 hours of paint supplies$279.00
> 
> plus tax for a grand total of $5359.01.
> 
> 
> I went to the body shop in Santa Fe with Shirley (and Ori :-) ) in the
> '95 E320 and talked with the owner of the shop. After showing me the
> damage, he had his assistant swap the left front wheel of the '95 E320
> (the more worn of the '95's front tires) with the right front of the '94
> E420. With a more worn tire, there was more clearance at the back of the
> '94's wheel well. We took off (Shirley in the '95 and me in the '94) and I
> noticed the tire rubbed when I put on the brakes. So I pulled off the
> road in the industrial area, pulled out the 2 pound hammer I brought
> along, banged off the plastic panels on the outside of the body just
> behind the right front wheel well, and then banged the metal about 1/2"
> further back. I then swapped the other front wheels so both of the 16"
> winter tires would be on the front of the '95 and we took off again.
> 
> We drove the 43 miles home on back roads (a very pretty drive along
> Bishop's Lodge Road) with no problems.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Water Softener?

[Rich Thomas]

I do in the summer, sometimes more.

--R

On 10/21/11 5:47 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
very few people drink a gallon of tap water in a day. 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Water Softener?

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:


I thought it was a significant contribution. I stand corrected.


Significant with respect to the recommended daily allowance?

Hmm, maybe I should at least attempt to do the math. Grains of hardness is 
grains of calcium per gallon of water, isn't it?


Since 23 grains of sodium displace 40 grains of calcium, then we're looking at 
17 grains of sodium to replace the typical (where I live) 30 grains of hardness.


I'm getting over a gram of sodium per gallon, around 1100 milligrams. That does 
eclipse the usual 10mg/liter found in soda pop, but very few people drink a 
gallon of tap water in a day.


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Re: [MBZ] Citric H+

[Max]

That's what I used this summer. 
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

glenn brown  wrote:


For what this is worth, this may be a convenient source of citric acid for your 
coolant system cleaning/flushing: 
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1366801&kw=citric+acid&origkw=citric+acid&searchId=53106054424

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Water Softener?

[Craig]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:04:11 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> 1. I drink unsoftened water from a separate tap, doesn't everybody?

Since I have never had a softener, I didn't think about that. Of course,
it depends on how your house is plumbed.


> 2. The sodium in a gallon of water from an ion exchange softener is
> less than the average person consumes from other sources in a day.

I thought it was a significant contribution. I stand corrected.


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Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[Rich Thomas]

Sounds like it's good to go.  Who needs a body shop?

--R

On 10/21/11 4:50 PM, Craig wrote:

So I pulled off the
road in the industrial area, pulled out the 2 pound hammer I brought
along, banged off the plastic panels on the outside of the body just
behind the right front wheel well, and then banged the metal about 1/2"
further back.


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Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[Mitch Haley]

Randy Bennell wrote:


Unfortunately, you also get an insurance claim out of the deal.


Better yet, a chargeable crash on Shirley's CLUE report.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[Randy Bennell]

On 21/10/2011 4:08 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Craig wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:36:37 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:


How much to buy it back?


$170.72


So if you take their settlement offer, you get what you were going to 
ask for the car, plus you get to keep the car?



Unfortunately, you also get an insurance claim out of the deal.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Water Softener?

[Randy Bennell]

On 21/10/2011 4:04 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Craig wrote:


It WILL raise you blood sodium level because of the salt in the softened
water. If that's not a medical problem for you, have at it.


1. I drink unsoftened water from a separate tap, doesn't everybody?
2. The sodium in a gallon of water from an ion exchange softener is 
less than the average person consumes from other sources in a day.


Mitch.

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But, it will also make you thirsty so you keep drinking more of it. 
Better to drink the unsoftened water.


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Re: [MBZ] It's home now

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:36:37 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:


How much to buy it back?


$170.72


So if you take their settlement offer, you get what you were going to ask for 
the car, plus you get to keep the car?


I don't see why you would remove the engine to swap the subframe. Wouldn't you 
just suspend the body on tall jack stands, suspend the engine from a chain fall, 
unbolt everything, and slide out the complete suspension?


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Water Softener?

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:


It WILL raise you blood sodium level because of the salt in the softened
water. If that's not a medical problem for you, have at it.


1. I drink unsoftened water from a separate tap, doesn't everybody?
2. The sodium in a gallon of water from an ion exchange softener is less than 
the average person consumes from other sources in a day.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] MB's US CEO canned/sin binned

[Dieselhead]

If it was MBUSI, then DOJ has a say, because it is a "US COMPANY"   I 
can see where they would have to make certain "accommodations" to get 
ML, R and other US made vehicles into the eastern bloc countries.





The WSJ report said the company was operating with extreme sensitivity
to proper expense accounting after reaching a truce of sorts with the
USA over bribes paid in eastern europe.  Why the USA would care, or have
any authority over MB paying bribes in eastern europe was not clear to
me.



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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Craig]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:30:55 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Is $3778 the car's replacement value, or the check they'll write after
> deductible?

The check they will write after the deductible.

Thanks for pointing that out; I had forgotten about it.

That would make their offer $4028.


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[MBZ] It's home now

[Craig]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:36:37 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> How much to buy it back?

$170.72


> Surely it can be fixed fairly easily

Not according to the body shop. The fellow had his assistant raise the
right front on a jack and showed me that the attachment for the right
lower control arm was bent backward so the sub-frame would have to be
replaced, which would require removing the engine.

The estimate includes $2275.35 of parts, including,
- Right lower control arm   $490.00
- Right strut   $294.00
- Right knuckle $350.00
- Suspension crossmember$590.00

It also includes,
- 13.5 hours of body labor  $634.50
-  9.3 hours of paint labor $437.10
- 11.7 hours of mechanical labor$877.50
-  6.0 hours of frame labor $450.00
-  9.3 hours of paint supplies  $279.00

plus tax for a grand total of $5359.01.


I went to the body shop in Santa Fe with Shirley (and Ori :-) ) in the
'95 E320 and talked with the owner of the shop. After showing me the
damage, he had his assistant swap the left front wheel of the '95 E320
(the more worn of the '95's front tires) with the right front of the '94
E420. With a more worn tire, there was more clearance at the back of the
'94's wheel well. We took off (Shirley in the '95 and me in the '94) and I
noticed the tire rubbed when I put on the brakes. So I pulled off the
road in the industrial area, pulled out the 2 pound hammer I brought
along, banged off the plastic panels on the outside of the body just
behind the right front wheel well, and then banged the metal about 1/2"
further back. I then swapped the other front wheels so both of the 16"
winter tires would be on the front of the '95 and we took off again.

We drove the 43 miles home on back roads (a very pretty drive along
Bishop's Lodge Road) with no problems.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] MB's US CEO canned/sin binned

[Peter Hertzing]

That about covers it.  And these foreign bribes are significantly different
then meals, trips and campaign donations by Political actions committees who
would never consider trying to influence a member of government with said
gifts.  Just Saying.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Allan Streib wrote:
>
> The WSJ report said the company was operating with extreme sensitivity
>> to proper expense accounting after reaching a truce of sorts with the
>> USA over bribes paid in eastern europe.  Why the USA would care, or have
>> any authority over MB paying bribes in eastern europe was not clear to
>> me.
>>
>
> We have federal laws against bribing foreign officials, including countries
> where it is impossible to do business without greasing the proper palm.
>
> Just a small part of the USA government's efforts to appoint itself the
> planet's chief of police.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Water Softener?

[Craig]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 14:22:18 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> It appears to be working. The city water here isn't that hard, so I
> can't really tell a difference. Guess it can't hurt anything...
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It WILL raise you blood sodium level because of the salt in the softened
water. If that's not a medical problem for you, have at it.


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Re: [MBZ] Citric H+

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM, glenn brown  wrote:
>
> For what this is worth, this may be a convenient source of citric acid for 
> your coolant system cleaning/flushing: 
> http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1366801&kw=citric+acid&origkw=citric+acid&searchId=53106054424
>

Looks like a good deal and convenient too---I have two Ace Hardwares
within 10 miles of my house---as long as it contains only pure citric
acid and not any other crap that would clog the coolant passages, etc.

I hear a lot of people recommending that you buy the food-grade stuff
available at home-brewing supply shops just to be on the safe side.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT Airplane pr0n

[Craig]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:08:06 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:

> Amazing how the tail (empennage) surfaces still look like a B-47 of mid
> to late 40's design.

True, but the wings certainly do not!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] MB's US CEO canned/sinned

[Rich Thomas]

I went to Tokyo once with a coupla colleagues, one night they decided 
they wanted some booze so we all went looking fo a likka sto, bought 
some Jack Daniels that ended up being cheaper than it was back home in 
Taxachussetts.  Go figure.


--R

On 10/21/11 2:25 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

A common practice in many countries, too, and just second or third world ones.

In many Asian countries it is not uncommon for the "guest" to bring a "gift" 
for the host.

When I did business in Japan I kept my local liquor store quite busy stocking 
Johnny Walker Black for my trips.

Dan

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On Oct 21, 2011, at 12:19 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:


Allan, Jim,
I worked for an oil company in the 70's when our gov't passed a law making it 
illegal to bribe foreign officials in order to get business. This oil company 
ran afoul of the law for bribing the oil minister in Nigeria to do business. 
Now if anyone cared to look, you didn't do business in Nigeria for oil unless 
you bribed the oil minister. Anyway, I think the US politicians wanted the 
bribe money to stay in the US and be given to them as campaign contributions or 
whatever you want to call it. We, USA, always tries to impose Western morality 
on other countries and it rarely works. I'm still waiting to see what's going 
to happen with Egypt, Iraq, and now Libya. Sudden changes are not always that 
great...seems we never hear about South Africa anymore...all must be well there.
Best Wishes,

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new)
www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique)

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[MBZ] Citric H+

[glenn brown]

For what this is worth, this may be a convenient source of citric acid for your 
coolant system cleaning/flushing: 
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1366801&kw=citric+acid&origkw=citric+acid&searchId=53106054424
 
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC   
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[MBZ] Following GPS directions....

[RELNGSON]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-15358886
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[MBZ] MB to produce another model at Tuscaloosa

[RELNGSON]

Daimler has said that it will further expand its US plant in Tuscaloosa, 
Alabama. From 2015, an entirely new - unidentified - Mercedes-Benz model will 
roll off the production line as its fifth product.

The plant has been the traditional production site of the brand's M-, GL-, 
and R-Class SUVs and will also build the C-Class for the North American 
market beginning 2014. For the production of the new model, Daimler said it 
will 
additionally invest US$ 350 million, and will create some 400 further jobs 
at the plant. 

Dieter Zetsche, Chairman of the Daimler Board of Management and Head of 
Mercedes-Benz Cars said: "This new model from the Tuscaloosa plant is an 
important element of our growth strategy. It is one of the ten additional 
models 
which we will introduce within the next four years alone across all 
segments." Referring to the Tuscaloosa plant's role within the global 
production 
network of Mercedes-Benz Cars, Zetsche added: "At the same time, we are 
systematically broadening our manufacturing footprint in the NAFTA region."

Robert Bentley, Governor of the State of Alabama said: "Since the time 
Mercedes-Benz chose Tuscaloosa County for its first US assembly plant 18 years 
ago, the company has proven to be an outstanding partner for the state. We 
join MBUSI in celebrating this milestone, and welcome the hundreds of jobs 
this announcement brings to Alabama."

Earlier this year, on the occasion of the Job #1 ceremony of the new 
Mercedes-Benz M-Class in July, Daimler announced the decision to invest more 
than 
US$2 billion in the Tuscaloosa plant (Mercedes-Benz U.S. International - 
MBUSI). In total, investment in the plant between 2010 and 2014 will thus 
amount to US$2.4 billion, while the number of newly created jobs will add up to 
1,400. 

Markus Schaefer, President and CEO of MBUSI, commented on these decisions: 
"The entire MBUSI team is proud of its role in the success of the models 
made in Tuscaloosa. We are looking forward to making further important 
contributions to the product offensive of Mercedes-Benz." 
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Re: [MBZ] MB's US CEO canned/sinned

[Dan Penoff]

A common practice in many countries, too, and just second or third world ones.

In many Asian countries it is not uncommon for the "guest" to bring a "gift" 
for the host.

When I did business in Japan I kept my local liquor store quite busy stocking 
Johnny Walker Black for my trips.

Dan

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> Allan, Jim, 
> I worked for an oil company in the 70's when our gov't passed a law making it 
> illegal to bribe foreign officials in order to get business. This oil company 
> ran afoul of the law for bribing the oil minister in Nigeria to do business. 
> Now if anyone cared to look, you didn't do business in Nigeria for oil unless 
> you bribed the oil minister. Anyway, I think the US politicians wanted the 
> bribe money to stay in the US and be given to them as campaign contributions 
> or whatever you want to call it. We, USA, always tries to impose Western 
> morality on other countries and it rarely works. I'm still waiting to see 
> what's going to happen with Egypt, Iraq, and now Libya. Sudden changes are 
> not always that great...seems we never hear about South Africa anymore...all 
> must be well there. 
> Best Wishes, 
> 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
> www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Water Softener?

[Dan Penoff]

Thanks, Rich.

Pretty much what I figured, just odd that there are no manufacturer's 
information on either the timer or valve.

It appears to be working. The city water here isn't that hard, so I can't 
really tell a difference. Guess it can't hurt anything...

Dan

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On Oct 21, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:

> I had one of those sitting next to the old well pump, and took it out and 
> took it apart to see how it worked.  The tank was heavy as hell with the 
> stuff (the little balls that collect the nasty stuff and water in it), and 
> the salt bin was just like a big plastic trash can with some piping, and it 
> was heavier, but I managed to dump it all out down by the marsh (I didn't 
> figure the salt would hurt the salt marsh), and took the mechanical thingie 
> apart to see how it worked.  Basically a flow meter timer sort of thing that 
> does the back flushing of the salt tank to clear out the crap the salt 
> collects, once it reaches the activation point.  I don't know if any 
> particular manufacturer would have any particular innovations on that thing, 
> they seem to be your basic electromechanical sort of controller that does the 
> one job.
> 
> The tank looks useful for something, and I used the salt can to make a water 
> level when I was putting in my addition deck to get it all leveled (and the 
> surveyor said I was only off 1/8" over the 32ft! -- yay for Egyptian 
> technology!).
> 
> --R
> 
> On 10/21/11 11:09 AM, LWB250 wrote:
>> http://gallery.me.com/dpenoff#100298
>> 
>> 
>> Got this device in my new house which has absolutely (and I mean it!) no 
>> identifying information on it anywhere.  I have been over every square inch 
>> of it, and not a manufacturer's name, model number, nada.
>> 
>> I am assuming it's a water softener, as it has a timer with a consumption 
>> "wheel" that counts down from 2200 gallons, at which time it recycles.  The 
>> same knob has a "Backflush" and a "Recycle" position as well.
>> 
>> There is a reservoir next to it that was empty when I moved in, but for the 
>> heck of it I filled it with a couple of 40 pound bags of softener salt and 
>> set it to "recycle."
>> 
>> If anyone can identify this thing I would appreciate it.  When I have time 
>> (ha!) I may crack open the timer box and see if there is anything in there 
>> that might identify the maker.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Dan Penoff]

Didn't know that. I just assumed they were both done by the NADA.

Learn something new every day...

Dan

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On Oct 21, 2011, at 12:51 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

> http://www.blackbookusa.com/
> 
> http://www.nadaguides.com/
> 
> 2 different companies
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 21, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>>> Nada and Black Book are 2 different things/companies.
>> 
>> What do they call the NADA 'Collector's Car Guide'?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Stubborn fuel leak - W123 300TD main fuel filter housing

[Max]

Also, new washers/O-rings would be a good idea.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Max  wrote:

Find a used one that's not cracked.

Local pick-n-pull, remove yourself and you'll be trained to install it.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

andrew strasfogel  wrote:

Max, I may not have stretched the bolt BUT there is a hairline crack in the
side of the aluminum housing of the fuel filter assembly!! Assuming this is
the source of the leak, what's involved in replacing it?

Rusty - is the 1985 assembly different from the 1983?

Andrew
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Max  wrote:

> He may have already stretched the center bolt, might need to replace it.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD
>
> Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> None of these should be super tight. The fact that you believe you
> have to overtorque the center bolt indicates that your problem is at
> the center bolt. Put new orings on it and find/make a new copper or
> aluminum washer for the center bolt.
>
> As for the input and output banjo fittings, order new washers for
> them. Without looking up the spec, you tighten them untill you feel
> them crush. That is when the wrench turns, but the resistance is
> constant. It is only about 20-25 ft-lb if I had to guess. Center
> bolt is maybe 30-35 ft-lb
>
>
> >The two tiny rubber rings on the center bolt appear to be OK, and as I
> >wrote, there is no fuel trickling down from underneath the bolt head.
> >
> >Hey Allan, regarding the hollow bolts on the input and output of the
> filter
> >housing - I have never touched these before. Are they torqued as super
> >tight(ly) as the center bolt on the filter housing? Were they to leak,
> >would the fuel pool up in the shallow depression atop the filter housing??
> >
> >I may not have mentioned that diesel is visible around the rim of the top
> of
> >the filter, but this appears to be a result of leaking down from above
> >rather than an upwelling due to improper seal with the canister housing.
> >
> >In a worst case scenario, whAt's involved in replacing the entire fuel
> >filter housing?
> >
> >Andrew
> >1985 and 1983 300TDs (one leaks, one doesn't)
>
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Re: [MBZ] Stubborn fuel leak - W123 300TD main fuel filter housing

[Max]

Find a used one that's not cracked.

Local pick-n-pull, remove yourself and you'll be trained to install it.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

andrew strasfogel  wrote:

Max, I may not have stretched the bolt BUT there is a hairline crack in the
side of the aluminum housing of the fuel filter assembly!! Assuming this is
the source of the leak, what's involved in replacing it?

Rusty - is the 1985 assembly different from the 1983?

Andrew
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Max  wrote:

> He may have already stretched the center bolt, might need to replace it.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD
>
> Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> None of these should be super tight. The fact that you believe you
> have to overtorque the center bolt indicates that your problem is at
> the center bolt. Put new orings on it and find/make a new copper or
> aluminum washer for the center bolt.
>
> As for the input and output banjo fittings, order new washers for
> them. Without looking up the spec, you tighten them untill you feel
> them crush. That is when the wrench turns, but the resistance is
> constant. It is only about 20-25 ft-lb if I had to guess. Center
> bolt is maybe 30-35 ft-lb
>
>
> >The two tiny rubber rings on the center bolt appear to be OK, and as I
> >wrote, there is no fuel trickling down from underneath the bolt head.
> >
> >Hey Allan, regarding the hollow bolts on the input and output of the
> filter
> >housing - I have never touched these before. Are they torqued as super
> >tight(ly) as the center bolt on the filter housing? Were they to leak,
> >would the fuel pool up in the shallow depression atop the filter housing??
> >
> >I may not have mentioned that diesel is visible around the rim of the top
> of
> >the filter, but this appears to be a result of leaking down from above
> >rather than an upwelling due to improper seal with the canister housing.
> >
> >In a worst case scenario, whAt's involved in replacing the entire fuel
> >filter housing?
> >
> >Andrew
> >1985 and 1983 300TDs (one leaks, one doesn't)
>
>_

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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

http://www.blackbookusa.com/

http://www.nadaguides.com/

2 different companies

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On Oct 21, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> Nada and Black Book are 2 different things/companies.
> 
> What do they call the NADA 'Collector's Car Guide'?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Water Softener?

[Rich Thomas]

I had one of those sitting next to the old well pump, and took it out 
and took it apart to see how it worked.  The tank was heavy as hell with 
the stuff (the little balls that collect the nasty stuff and water in 
it), and the salt bin was just like a big plastic trash can with some 
piping, and it was heavier, but I managed to dump it all out down by the 
marsh (I didn't figure the salt would hurt the salt marsh), and took the 
mechanical thingie apart to see how it worked.  Basically a flow meter 
timer sort of thing that does the back flushing of the salt tank to 
clear out the crap the salt collects, once it reaches the activation 
point.  I don't know if any particular manufacturer would have any 
particular innovations on that thing, they seem to be your basic 
electromechanical sort of controller that does the one job.


The tank looks useful for something, and I used the salt can to make a 
water level when I was putting in my addition deck to get it all leveled 
(and the surveyor said I was only off 1/8" over the 32ft! -- yay for 
Egyptian technology!).


--R

On 10/21/11 11:09 AM, LWB250 wrote:

http://gallery.me.com/dpenoff#100298


Got this device in my new house which has absolutely (and I mean it!) no 
identifying information on it anywhere.  I have been over every square inch of 
it, and not a manufacturer's name, model number, nada.

I am assuming it's a water softener, as it has a timer with a consumption "wheel" that counts down 
from 2200 gallons, at which time it recycles.  The same knob has a "Backflush" and a 
"Recycle" position as well.

There is a reservoir next to it that was empty when I moved in, but for the heck of it I 
filled it with a couple of 40 pound bags of softener salt and set it to 
"recycle."

If anyone can identify this thing I would appreciate it.  When I have time 
(ha!) I may crack open the timer box and see if there is anything in there that 
might identify the maker.

Thanks,

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Nada and Black Book are 2 different things/companies.


What do they call the NADA 'Collector's Car Guide'?



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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Nada and Black Book are 2 different things/companies.

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On Oct 21, 2011, at 10:12 AM, LWB250  wrote:

> Yes, banks can also subscribe to the NADA Black Book.
> 
> My dad had them around when he worked for GMAC, which was nice.  Don't know 
> what a subscription costs, but I'm sure they're not cheap.  I believe they 
> were updated every couple of weeks, too.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Allan Streib 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it
> 
> Dan Penoff  writes:
> 
>> NADA Black Book is the one to have. A dealer only subscription
>> service, it is very accurate, especially on a local market basis.
> 
> Is this also the book the banks use to decide if they will make a loan
> on a particular car?  My local credit union will let members use their
> "book" to see what cars are worth.
> 
> Allan
> -- 
> 1983 300D
> 1979 300SD
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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

How much to buy it back? Surely it can be fixed fairly easily

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On Oct 20, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Craig  wrote:

> I called my insurance company today and found out they are going to total
> our '94 E420. I'm planning on buying it back and bringing it home so I can
> get some parts off it.
> 
> The values I found for the car are all over the map:
> 
> -
> 
> http://www.kbb.com/mercedes-benz/e-class/1994-mercedes-benz-e-class/e420-sedan-4d/?vehicleid=9458&intent=trade-in-sell&options=348026|true&mileage=124000&category=sedan&pricetype=private-party&quizconditions=1|1|0|2|0|0|0|0|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|1
> 
> Excellent $5,875
> Good $5,425
> Fair $4,725
> 
> -
> 
> http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/e-class/1994/tmv-appraise-results.html
> 
> Pricing Details for a Mercedes-Benz E-ClassSedan E420
> 4.2L V8 4-speed Automatic
> Customized True Market Value_ Prices
> 
> Private   Dealer
>Trade-In  PartyRetail
> National Base Price   $981$1,510   $2,392
> Optional Equipment  $8   $11  $19
> Power Rear Sunshade $8   $11  $19
> Color Adjustment - White$1$1   $2
> Regional Adjustment
>   - for Zip Code 87544   $-10  $-16 $-26
> Mileage Adjustment
>   - 124,000 miles$536  $536 $536
> Condition Adjustment
>   - Average $-258 $-390$-606
>Total   $1,258$1,652   $2,317
> 
> -
> 
> http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/1994/Mercedes-Benz/E-Class/Sedan-4D-E420/Values
> 
> Pricing
>  Rough   Average   Clean   Clean
> Trade-In Trade-In Trade-In Retail
> Base Price$  675   $1,675   $2,525  $3,875
> Mileage: 124,000  $1,262   $1,262   $1,262  $1,262
> TOTAL PRICE   $1,937   $2,937   $3,787  $5,137 
> 
> -
> 
> I would say the car was in average/fair condition.
> Kelly Blue Book says the highest,  $4,725.
> Edmunds says the lowest,   $1,652.
> NADA Average Trade-In corrected by the ratio of Clean Retail
> Base Price to Clean Trade-In Base Price plus Mileage
>   [1675*(3875/2525)+1262] is $3,833.
> 
> USAA is offering me $3778.03. I'm fairly certain this will raise our
> insurance rates.
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] MB's US CEO canned/sinned

[rogerhga]

Allan, Jim, 
I worked for an oil company in the 70's when our gov't passed a law making it 
illegal to bribe foreign officials in order to get business. This oil company 
ran afoul of the law for bribing the oil minister in Nigeria to do business. 
Now if anyone cared to look, you didn't do business in Nigeria for oil unless 
you bribed the oil minister. Anyway, I think the US politicians wanted the 
bribe money to stay in the US and be given to them as campaign contributions or 
whatever you want to call it. We, USA, always tries to impose Western morality 
on other countries and it rarely works. I'm still waiting to see what's going 
to happen with Egypt, Iraq, and now Libya. Sudden changes are not always that 
great...seems we never hear about South Africa anymore...all must be well 
there. 
Best Wishes, 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] OT Airplane pr0n

[WILTON]

Amazing how the tail (empennage) surfaces still look like a B-47 of mid to 
late 40's design.


Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:


Is this also the book the banks use to decide if they will make a loan
on a particular car?  My local credit union will let members use their
"book" to see what cars are worth.


My CU has the yellow book subscription, but those only go back 8 years.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Stubborn fuel leak - W123 300TD main fuel filter housing

[andrew strasfogel]

Max, I may not have stretched the bolt BUT there is a hairline crack in the
side of the aluminum housing of the fuel filter assembly!!  Assuming this is
the source of the leak, what's involved in replacing it?

Rusty - is the 1985 assembly different from the 1983?

Andrew
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Max  wrote:

> He may have already stretched the center bolt, might need to replace it.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD
>
> Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> None of these should be super tight. The fact that you believe you
> have to overtorque the center bolt indicates that your problem is at
> the center bolt. Put new orings on it and find/make a new copper or
> aluminum washer for the center bolt.
>
> As for the input and output banjo fittings, order new washers for
> them. Without looking up the spec, you tighten them untill you feel
> them crush. That is when the wrench turns, but the resistance is
> constant. It is only about 20-25 ft-lb if I had to guess. Center
> bolt is maybe 30-35 ft-lb
>
>
> >The two tiny rubber rings on the center bolt appear to be OK, and as I
> >wrote, there is no fuel trickling down from underneath the bolt head.
> >
> >Hey Allan, regarding the hollow bolts on the input and output of the
> filter
> >housing - I have never touched these before. Are they torqued as super
> >tight(ly) as the center bolt on the filter housing? Were they to leak,
> >would the fuel pool up in the shallow depression atop the filter housing??
> >
> >I may not have mentioned that diesel is visible around the rim of the top
> of
> >the filter, but this appears to be a result of leaking down from above
> >rather than an upwelling due to improper seal with the canister housing.
> >
> >In a worst case scenario, whAt's involved in replacing the entire fuel
> >filter housing?
> >
> >Andrew
> >1985 and 1983 300TDs (one leaks, one doesn't)
>
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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:


What were you going to try to sell it for?


$3500


Sounds like you're all set.

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Re: [MBZ] MB's US CEO canned/sin binned

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:


The WSJ report said the company was operating with extreme sensitivity
to proper expense accounting after reaching a truce of sorts with the
USA over bribes paid in eastern europe.  Why the USA would care, or have
any authority over MB paying bribes in eastern europe was not clear to
me.


We have federal laws against bribing foreign officials, including countries 
where it is impossible to do business without greasing the proper palm.


Just a small part of the USA government's efforts to appoint itself the planet's 
chief of police.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Craig]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:39:23 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Maybe you can replace it for $3500. OTOH, you had that car pretty much
> sorted out, and anything you buy to replace it will likely need some
> money and time thrown into it.

That's a good point, but the one to replace it is the '95 E320 I bought
from Don Snook.


> This one is probably worth more than yours, and they've already posted
> it on CL 21 times since 9-13.
> http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/ctd/2656954738.html

The ad doesn't say what year it is, but it's not a W124 and is newer than
1994. BTW, what is all that junk below "spliter"?


> Maybe swap wheels and anything else you want with the 320, refuse the
> $3778, see if they'll bump it up $500 to close out the claim, and take
> your money.

I'm planning on bringing the car home and swapping wheels, etc.


> What were you going to try to sell it for?

$3500


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] CL laugh of the day

[andrew strasfogel]

I think what is particularly hilarious is the typo "Also comes with aluminum
*alloid *stock rims" when he clearly meant to write that it "... comes with
aluminum *Altoid* stock rims.".

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> > http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2649961777.html
> >
>
> Wonder how they got the 2008 rims on there.  I thought the bolt size
> changed (12 mm to 14 mm, something like that?) in the 2000s, and the
> offset is surely wrong.
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Water Softener?

[Craig]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:09:58 -0700 (PDT) LWB250  wrote:

> http://gallery.me.com/dpenoff#100298
> 
> If anyone can identify this thing I would appreciate it.  When I have
> time (ha!) I may crack open the timer box and see if there is anything
> in there that might identify the maker.

It's a water softener, for sure. Other than that, I can't offer any
information.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[LWB250]

Yes, banks can also subscribe to the NADA Black Book.

My dad had them around when he worked for GMAC, which was nice.  Don't know 
what a subscription costs, but I'm sure they're not cheap.  I believe they were 
updated every couple of weeks, too.

Dan





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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

Dan Penoff  writes:

> NADA Black Book is the one to have. A dealer only subscription
> service, it is very accurate, especially on a local market basis.

Is this also the book the banks use to decide if they will make a loan
on a particular car?  My local credit union will let members use their
"book" to see what cars are worth.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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[MBZ] OT - Water Softener?

[LWB250]

http://gallery.me.com/dpenoff#100298


Got this device in my new house which has absolutely (and I mean it!) no 
identifying information on it anywhere.  I have been over every square inch of 
it, and not a manufacturer's name, model number, nada.

I am assuming it's a water softener, as it has a timer with a consumption 
"wheel" that counts down from 2200 gallons, at which time it recycles.  The 
same knob has a "Backflush" and a "Recycle" position as well.

There is a reservoir next to it that was empty when I moved in, but for the 
heck of it I filled it with a couple of 40 pound bags of softener salt and set 
it to "recycle."

If anyone can identify this thing I would appreciate it.  When I have time 
(ha!) I may crack open the timer box and see if there is anything in there that 
might identify the maker.

Thanks,

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Allan Streib]

Dan Penoff  writes:

> NADA is the only real reference out there. I always love looking at
> Kelley BB, as the trade in values obviously benefit the dealer as do
> the resale prices

KBB is funny... their dealer retail prices only show the values for cars
in "excellent" condition as if dealers really do much more than a
quick detail cleaning to the trade-ins they get before they go out on
the used car lot.

Allan
-- 
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: MB's US CEO canned/sin binned

[Jim Cathey]

Why the USA would care, or have any authority over MB paying bribes
in eastern europe was not clear to me.


Latest business fad, I'd guess.  Our company is making all kinds
of noise about their new anti-bribery policy, etc...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Allan Streib]

Jaime Kopchinski  writes:

> Its interesting how high the estimate was for really minor damage.

Insurance companies will start getting nervous once the estimate gets
above 50% of the vehicle value.  They know if it was hit that hard there
is often hidden damage that is not evident until repairs are started.
Rather then end up on the hook for repairs that cost more than the
vehicle is worth, they will just offer a write-off at that point.

Fortunately it sounds like that was not the case for you.

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] CL laugh of the day

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2649961777.html
>

Wonder how they got the 2008 rims on there.  I thought the bolt size
changed (12 mm to 14 mm, something like that?) in the 2000s, and the
offset is surely wrong.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Allan Streib]

Dan Penoff  writes:

> NADA Black Book is the one to have. A dealer only subscription
> service, it is very accurate, especially on a local market basis.

Is this also the book the banks use to decide if they will make a loan
on a particular car?  My local credit union will let members use their
"book" to see what cars are worth.

Allan
-- 
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] MB's US CEO canned/sin binned

[Allan Streib]

Hendrik & Fay  writes:

> And why would Daimler remove someone who is good at their job and may
> be hard to replace, they could have asked Lieb to refund the money and
> given him a stern talking to, unless he was warned to be very careful
> in regards to using company funds.

The WSJ report said the company was operating with extreme sensitivity
to proper expense accounting after reaching a truce of sorts with the
USA over bribes paid in eastern europe.  Why the USA would care, or have
any authority over MB paying bribes in eastern europe was not clear to
me.


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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] CL laugh of the day

[Mitch Haley]

Michael Canfield wrote:

Wow that is ugly with that gold bottom and chrome wheels.


How about the ROLEX badge on the trunk lid?
Almost as funny as the price.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] CL laugh of the day

[Michael Canfield]

Wow that is ugly with that gold bottom and chrome wheels.

Mike
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[MBZ] OT Airplane pr0n

[Rich Thomas]

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/10/video-air-to-air-with-anas-787-dreamliner/

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[MBZ] CL laugh of the day

[Mitch Haley]

http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2649961777.html

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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Jaime Kopchinski]

$400-500... I forget exactly.  The other guy's company wanted $700.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Jaime,
>
> What was the buyout from your insurance company, if I might ask?
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
>
> > For your reference, I was just paid about $6500 for my '95 E320 wagon
> with
> > 110k miles by my insurance company. (Also note the "other guys" insurance
> > wanted to pay me $5000.)
> >
> > I found that to be more than enough to buy the parts (original MB) and
> > repair the car properly, so I did.  Just got it back this week.  Damage
> was
> > to a front fender and bumper, but didn't effect the hood or inner fender.
> > Its interesting how high the estimate was for really minor damage.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Craig  wrote:
> >
> >> I called my insurance company today and found out they are going to
> total
> >> our '94 E420. I'm planning on buying it back and bringing it home so I
> can
> >> get some parts off it.
> >>
> >> The values I found for the car are all over the map:
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.kbb.com/mercedes-benz/e-class/1994-mercedes-benz-e-class/e420-sedan-4d/?vehicleid=9458&intent=trade-in-sell&options=348026|true&mileage=124000&category=sedan&pricetype=private-party&quizconditions=1|1|0|2|0|0|0|0|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|1
> >>
> >> Excellent $5,875
> >> Good $5,425
> >> Fair $4,725
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >>
> http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/e-class/1994/tmv-appraise-results.html
> >>
> >> Pricing Details for a Mercedes-Benz E-ClassSedan E420
> >> 4.2L V8 4-speed Automatic
> >> Customized True Market Value_ Prices
> >>
> >>Private   Dealer
> >>   Trade-In  PartyRetail
> >> National Base Price   $981$1,510   $2,392
> >> Optional Equipment  $8   $11  $19
> >> Power Rear Sunshade $8   $11  $19
> >> Color Adjustment - White$1$1   $2
> >> Regional Adjustment
> >>  - for Zip Code 87544   $-10  $-16 $-26
> >> Mileage Adjustment
> >>  - 124,000 miles$536  $536 $536
> >> Condition Adjustment
> >>  - Average $-258 $-390$-606
> >>   Total   $1,258$1,652   $2,317
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/1994/Mercedes-Benz/E-Class/Sedan-4D-E420/Values
> >>
> >> Pricing
> >> Rough   Average   Clean   Clean
> >>Trade-In Trade-In Trade-In Retail
> >> Base Price$  675   $1,675   $2,525  $3,875
> >> Mileage: 124,000  $1,262   $1,262   $1,262  $1,262
> >> TOTAL PRICE   $1,937   $2,937   $3,787  $5,137
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >> I would say the car was in average/fair condition.
> >> Kelly Blue Book says the highest,  $4,725.
> >> Edmunds says the lowest,   $1,652.
> >> NADA Average Trade-In corrected by the ratio of Clean Retail
> >> Base Price to Clean Trade-In Base Price plus Mileage
> >>  [1675*(3875/2525)+1262] is $3,833.
> >>
> >> USAA is offering me $3778.03. I'm fairly certain this will raise our
> >> insurance rates.
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Dan Penoff]

NADA is the only real reference out there. I always love looking at Kelley BB, 
as the trade in values obviously benefit the dealer as do the resale prices

NADA Black Book is the one to have. A dealer only subscription service, it is 
very accurate, especially on a local market basis.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:30 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> I'm sure you know the $2300 Edmund's retail is a joke. Go to a used car 
> dealer and see what $2300 really buys.
> 
> Is $3778 the car's replacement value, or the check they'll write after 
> deductible?
> 
> Depending on condition, you might be able to replace it for $3500+tax, but 
> I'm pretty sure that would have to be a private party, not retail, deal.
> 
> Where's the car now? Is it at your house? You don't want things like your 
> wheels and new tires to start disappearing while you still own it.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Dan Penoff]

Jaime,

What was the buyout from your insurance company, if I might ask?

Dan

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On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> For your reference, I was just paid about $6500 for my '95 E320 wagon with
> 110k miles by my insurance company. (Also note the "other guys" insurance
> wanted to pay me $5000.)
> 
> I found that to be more than enough to buy the parts (original MB) and
> repair the car properly, so I did.  Just got it back this week.  Damage was
> to a front fender and bumper, but didn't effect the hood or inner fender.
> Its interesting how high the estimate was for really minor damage.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Craig  wrote:
> 
>> I called my insurance company today and found out they are going to total
>> our '94 E420. I'm planning on buying it back and bringing it home so I can
>> get some parts off it.
>> 
>> The values I found for the car are all over the map:
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.kbb.com/mercedes-benz/e-class/1994-mercedes-benz-e-class/e420-sedan-4d/?vehicleid=9458&intent=trade-in-sell&options=348026|true&mileage=124000&category=sedan&pricetype=private-party&quizconditions=1|1|0|2|0|0|0|0|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|1
>> 
>> Excellent $5,875
>> Good $5,425
>> Fair $4,725
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/e-class/1994/tmv-appraise-results.html
>> 
>> Pricing Details for a Mercedes-Benz E-ClassSedan E420
>> 4.2L V8 4-speed Automatic
>> Customized True Market Value_ Prices
>> 
>>Private   Dealer
>>   Trade-In  PartyRetail
>> National Base Price   $981$1,510   $2,392
>> Optional Equipment  $8   $11  $19
>> Power Rear Sunshade $8   $11  $19
>> Color Adjustment - White$1$1   $2
>> Regional Adjustment
>>  - for Zip Code 87544   $-10  $-16 $-26
>> Mileage Adjustment
>>  - 124,000 miles$536  $536 $536
>> Condition Adjustment
>>  - Average $-258 $-390$-606
>>   Total   $1,258$1,652   $2,317
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/1994/Mercedes-Benz/E-Class/Sedan-4D-E420/Values
>> 
>> Pricing
>> Rough   Average   Clean   Clean
>>Trade-In Trade-In Trade-In Retail
>> Base Price$  675   $1,675   $2,525  $3,875
>> Mileage: 124,000  $1,262   $1,262   $1,262  $1,262
>> TOTAL PRICE   $1,937   $2,937   $3,787  $5,137
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> I would say the car was in average/fair condition.
>> Kelly Blue Book says the highest,  $4,725.
>> Edmunds says the lowest,   $1,652.
>> NADA Average Trade-In corrected by the ratio of Clean Retail
>> Base Price to Clean Trade-In Base Price plus Mileage
>>  [1675*(3875/2525)+1262] is $3,833.
>> 
>> USAA is offering me $3778.03. I'm fairly certain this will raise our
>> insurance rates.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Jaime Kopchinski]

For your reference, I was just paid about $6500 for my '95 E320 wagon with
110k miles by my insurance company. (Also note the "other guys" insurance
wanted to pay me $5000.)

I found that to be more than enough to buy the parts (original MB) and
repair the car properly, so I did.  Just got it back this week.  Damage was
to a front fender and bumper, but didn't effect the hood or inner fender.
Its interesting how high the estimate was for really minor damage.

Jaime


On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Craig  wrote:

> I called my insurance company today and found out they are going to total
> our '94 E420. I'm planning on buying it back and bringing it home so I can
> get some parts off it.
>
> The values I found for the car are all over the map:
>
> -
>
>
> http://www.kbb.com/mercedes-benz/e-class/1994-mercedes-benz-e-class/e420-sedan-4d/?vehicleid=9458&intent=trade-in-sell&options=348026|true&mileage=124000&category=sedan&pricetype=private-party&quizconditions=1|1|0|2|0|0|0|0|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|1
>
> Excellent $5,875
> Good $5,425
> Fair $4,725
>
> -
>
> http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/e-class/1994/tmv-appraise-results.html
>
> Pricing Details for a Mercedes-Benz E-ClassSedan E420
> 4.2L V8 4-speed Automatic
> Customized True Market Value_ Prices
>
> Private   Dealer
>Trade-In  PartyRetail
> National Base Price   $981$1,510   $2,392
> Optional Equipment  $8   $11  $19
> Power Rear Sunshade $8   $11  $19
> Color Adjustment - White$1$1   $2
> Regional Adjustment
>   - for Zip Code 87544   $-10  $-16 $-26
> Mileage Adjustment
>   - 124,000 miles$536  $536 $536
> Condition Adjustment
>   - Average $-258 $-390$-606
>Total   $1,258$1,652   $2,317
>
> -
>
>
> http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/1994/Mercedes-Benz/E-Class/Sedan-4D-E420/Values
>
> Pricing
>  Rough   Average   Clean   Clean
> Trade-In Trade-In Trade-In Retail
> Base Price$  675   $1,675   $2,525  $3,875
> Mileage: 124,000  $1,262   $1,262   $1,262  $1,262
> TOTAL PRICE   $1,937   $2,937   $3,787  $5,137
>
> -
>
> I would say the car was in average/fair condition.
> Kelly Blue Book says the highest,  $4,725.
> Edmunds says the lowest,   $1,652.
> NADA Average Trade-In corrected by the ratio of Clean Retail
> Base Price to Clean Trade-In Base Price plus Mileage
>   [1675*(3875/2525)+1262] is $3,833.
>
> USAA is offering me $3778.03. I'm fairly certain this will raise our
> insurance rates.
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Mitch Haley]

Maybe you can replace it for $3500. OTOH, you had that car pretty much sorted 
out, and anything you buy to replace it will likely need some money and time 
thrown into it.


This one is probably worth more than yours, and they've already posted it on CL 
21 times since 9-13.

http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/ctd/2656954738.html

Maybe swap wheels and anything else you want with the 320, refuse the $3778, see 
if they'll bump it up $500 to close out the claim, and take your money.


What were you going to try to sell it for?


Mitch Haley wrote:
Depending on condition, you might be able to replace it for $3500+tax, 
but I'm pretty sure that would have to be a private party, not retail, 
deal.



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Re: [MBZ] Well, they are going to total it

[Mitch Haley]

I'm sure you know the $2300 Edmund's retail is a joke. Go to a used car dealer 
and see what $2300 really buys.


Is $3778 the car's replacement value, or the check they'll write after 
deductible?

Depending on condition, you might be able to replace it for $3500+tax, but I'm 
pretty sure that would have to be a private party, not retail, deal.


Where's the car now? Is it at your house? You don't want things like your wheels 
and new tires to start disappearing while you still own it.


Mitch.


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