Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Steve MacSween]

someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hollywood plastic surgeons must have buckets of renderable fat.

Wow. You mean I can run my 240d off a tankful of Joan Rivers?

(SHUDDER)

Mac
I dunno what dat is, but it AIN'T NO BIODIESEL, DUDE

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[redghost]

Hollywood plastic surgeons must have buckets of renderable fat.

And some fellow will get the idea for "Biodiesel of the Stars" from it

On Monday, August 22, 2005, at 06:57 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


The cheaper the bacon, the greater the output of grease!!


On 8/19/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

LT Don wrote:

$1.59 on sale at Fareway in Iowa. Not the grease -- ya gotta actually
cook and eat the stuff to get the grease. I call it "my burden" for
the Chris Project.



If I could get a gallon for $1.59 there MIGHT be an argument to be 
made,

but I doubt that $1.59 would generate even a qt of grease

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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[redghost]

It's the feathers.  Damn feathers make everything stink.

Probably operator error of failure to RTFM.  WA state ferry system 
suspended their trial of BioD.  Claimed it clogged the filters.Ran 
148k gallons through the ship, plugged filters.  Then stopped.  Ran D2 
for a bit.  Went back to BioD.  Plug filters.  Stop and call in some 
PhD expert.  Get charged bunch of cash to learn--


Biodiesel is a wonderful solvent and it cleans all the CRAP out of your 
poorly run engines.  The process of cleaning will use many filters, but 
that will stop when all the turds are removed.  Labor cost goes up, but 
then will drop drastically as the ships run smoother.


Solution--

Stop using the BioD because it makes the filters plug with crud.  
Equivalent to not urinating because it hurts to pass a kidney stone.


On Monday, August 22, 2005, at 05:36 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:


Right, but I think they have hit some snags...which,
hopefully, will be worked out. THen I can give them my
bacon grease :-)

Christopher

--- redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Article in Discover Mag. two years ago claims it
puts out #2, and able
to refine up to petrol of low octane.  Think best
use was to get carbon
black out of all the junk put in.

the plant is not supposed to stink.  The whole
process makes it all
clean according to marketing folks

On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 08:03 PM, Christopher
McCann wrote:


thought of visiting the place. It was supposed to

put

out oil at $15/barrel...right now it's costing
$80/barrel and the plant stinks so bad that the
neighbors are not happy. Warren Buffett's son is a

big

investor in it. All I know. I thought it was a

lower

grade than #2...

Christopher

--- redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The Butterball Turkey plant some place in MO is
putting out #2 type
fuel for internal vehicle use from the offal.

The

process is thermal
depolymerization and the stuff coming out the end

is

#2 (must be bio of
a sort).  Would the thermal part of it have rid

the

feed stock of water
and other crud to the point it renders rendered
turkey goo as truck
fuel?

On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 11:10 AM, LT Don
wrote:


No, I think he is as serious as an injector

heart

attack (which isn't

a bad analogy).

On 8/19/05, Steve MacSween


OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined

animal

fat? Through a Bosch

plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime,

even strained do death.




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At least YOU felt good about yourself.  Well done!

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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[andrew strasfogel]

The cheaper the bacon, the greater the output of grease!!


On 8/19/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LT Don wrote:
> > $1.59 on sale at Fareway in Iowa. Not the grease -- ya gotta actually
> > cook and eat the stuff to get the grease. I call it "my burden" for
> > the Chris Project.
> >
> 
> If I could get a gallon for $1.59 there MIGHT be an argument to be made,
> but I doubt that $1.59 would generate even a qt of grease
> 
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Christopher McCann]

Right, but I think they have hit some snags...which,
hopefully, will be worked out. THen I can give them my
bacon grease :-)

Christopher

--- redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Article in Discover Mag. two years ago claims it
> puts out #2, and able 
> to refine up to petrol of low octane.  Think best
> use was to get carbon 
> black out of all the junk put in.
> 
> the plant is not supposed to stink.  The whole
> process makes it all 
> clean according to marketing folks
> 
> On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 08:03 PM, Christopher
> McCann wrote:
> 
> > thought of visiting the place. It was supposed to
> put
> > out oil at $15/barrel...right now it's costing
> > $80/barrel and the plant stinks so bad that the
> > neighbors are not happy. Warren Buffett's son is a
> big
> > investor in it. All I know. I thought it was a
> lower
> > grade than #2...
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> > --- redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> The Butterball Turkey plant some place in MO is
> >> putting out #2 type
> >> fuel for internal vehicle use from the offal. 
> The
> >> process is thermal
> >> depolymerization and the stuff coming out the end
> is
> >> #2 (must be bio of
> >> a sort).  Would the thermal part of it have rid
> the
> >> feed stock of water
> >> and other crud to the point it renders rendered
> >> turkey goo as truck
> >> fuel?
> >>
> >> On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 11:10 AM, LT Don
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> No, I think he is as serious as an injector
> heart
> >> attack (which isn't
> >>> a bad analogy).
> >>>
> >>> On 8/19/05, Steve MacSween
> 
>  OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined
> animal
> >> fat? Through a Bosch
>  plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime,
> >> even strained do death.
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Christopher McCann]

Actually, I did, but decided to keep the 240 engine in
the car and experiment that way...real driving
conditions. I would not run any other diesel engine
(300SD, generator, etc) on anything but D2.
Experiments are limited to the 240.

Also, seems that it's alot of work to create a frame
for the 240D engine and cooling system, etc to run a
genset. Much easier to have a dedicated generator
which simply mounts to a frame..although I'm still
kicking the idea around, especially since I have a
double detatched garage at my new house which, God
help me, will enable MORE experimentation and
tinkering.

Christopher

--- Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Looked at a diesel generator tonight too...screw
> the
> > grid. You know people are running HOME fuel oil
> > furnaces on veggie oil (but probably not pig fat
> or
> > gear lube)...endless possibilities
> 
> Why? You've got an OM616. You could have a bacon fat
> diesel generator!
> 
> LoL. Seriously, did you not consider just using the
> 240d engine?
> 
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[Don & Teresa Merriman]

Save the whales. Collect one of each.

On 8/20/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> David Brodbeck wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, but Japanese and Norwegian sailors would always be trying to embed
> > harpoons in your hood.
> 
> And a watch repairman would steal your car so he could sell the contents
> of the fuel tank by the ounce and retire on the proceeds. They can't get
> sperm oil any more, and I've heard there's nothing quite as good. OTOH,
> how many watch repairmen are left in the world, maybe twice as many as
> there are typewriter repairmen?
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Mitch Haley]

David Brodbeck wrote:
> 
> Yeah, but Japanese and Norwegian sailors would always be trying to embed
> harpoons in your hood.

And a watch repairman would steal your car so he could sell the contents
of the fuel tank by the ounce and retire on the proceeds. They can't get
sperm oil any more, and I've heard there's nothing quite as good. OTOH,
how many watch repairmen are left in the world, maybe twice as many as
there are typewriter repairmen?

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[David Brodbeck]

redghost wrote:
> It would be same as lamp oil of old.  No way it would smoke, and of 
> course it would make the car faster.  You ever see how fast a whale 
> goes?  May even allow the car to convert to amphibious mode like a Bond 
> car.  Then  you can get from Baja  to AK without using up the tires

Yeah, but Japanese and Norwegian sailors would always be trying to embed
harpoons in your hood.

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[redghost]

It would be same as lamp oil of old.  No way it would smoke, and of 
course it would make the car faster.  You ever see how fast a whale 
goes?  May even allow the car to convert to amphibious mode like a Bond 
car.  Then  you can get from Baja  to AK without using up the tires


On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 10:33 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Maybe I'll get some of that stuff I get emails for, and mix it with 
the sperm whale oil, and the car will be much more powerful?


--R

redghost wrote:

Right or Sperm?

On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 04:48 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:



You think whale oil would work in the Benz?  It is a very fine
lubricant, and burns with no soot.

--R




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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[BenzBarn]

   I once had a bumper sticker that read:

   '' Nuke the gay, unborn, baby whales ''  


  Not sure why it upset so many activists

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Rich Thomas]

Maybe I'll get some of that stuff I get emails for, and mix it with the 
sperm whale oil, and the car will be much more powerful?


--R

redghost wrote:


Right or Sperm?

On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 04:48 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

 


You think whale oil would work in the Benz?  It is a very fine
lubricant, and burns with no soot.

--R

   

 


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[redghost]

Article in Discover Mag. two years ago claims it puts out #2, and able 
to refine up to petrol of low octane.  Think best use was to get carbon 
black out of all the junk put in.


the plant is not supposed to stink.  The whole process makes it all 
clean according to marketing folks


On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 08:03 PM, Christopher McCann wrote:


thought of visiting the place. It was supposed to put
out oil at $15/barrel...right now it's costing
$80/barrel and the plant stinks so bad that the
neighbors are not happy. Warren Buffett's son is a big
investor in it. All I know. I thought it was a lower
grade than #2...

Christopher

--- redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The Butterball Turkey plant some place in MO is
putting out #2 type
fuel for internal vehicle use from the offal.  The
process is thermal
depolymerization and the stuff coming out the end is
#2 (must be bio of
a sort).  Would the thermal part of it have rid the
feed stock of water
and other crud to the point it renders rendered
turkey goo as truck
fuel?

On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 11:10 AM, LT Don
wrote:


No, I think he is as serious as an injector heart

attack (which isn't

a bad analogy).

On 8/19/05, Steve MacSween


OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal

fat? Through a Bosch

plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime,

even strained do death.




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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Steve MacSween]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Looked at a diesel generator tonight too...screw the
> grid. You know people are running HOME fuel oil
> furnaces on veggie oil (but probably not pig fat or
> gear lube)...endless possibilities

Why? You've got an OM616. You could have a bacon fat diesel generator!

LoL. Seriously, did you not consider just using the 240d engine?

Mac

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[redghost]

Right or Sperm?

On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 04:48 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:



You think whale oil would work in the Benz?  It is a very fine
lubricant, and burns with no soot.

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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

[redghost]

Chris!!!

You have to get some baby seal oil for the car!  I understand it has 
incredible lubricity and will make your IP squeaking clean when hit 
with a club.  If you have a hard time getting the seal oil, maybe the 
whale oil (available from your local First Nations store) will be of a 
high enough cetane to allow you to out run one of those lame m617 turbo 
models.


Should both those fail, might have some slick liberal lawyer oil, 
extracted at great cost from right thinking persons/creche 
displays/terror suspects with trampled rights.


On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 04:04 PM, LT Don wrote:


Now don't start knocking ACLU. And don't EVEN think about putting in a
Greenpeace slam!




--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[redghost]

Yup!  Gump has to get a fresh batch of M1 added to her IP when there is 
too much #2 in there.


On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 02:30 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:


Macs

No need for the kevlar from here  A correction to the quote 
below...


IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication 
qualities of the fuel.  The pumps in our cars use motor oil for 
lubrication.


That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a critical factor in Bosch 
pumps as it is in rotary injection pumps that use diesel fuel for 
lubrication.



On Aug 19, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Steve MacSween wrote:

The Bosch inline diesel injection pump looks from the outside like a 
robust


piece of kit, but on the inside it works as well as it does because 
it's a


precision instrument on the order of a Swiss watch. In particular, it 
relies


upon the lubricating qualities, and general purity, of the diesel that 
runs


through it. 




--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

[OK Don]

Now remember, you can't have too many measuring tools -- always have
to have these sorts of things on hand!
Now you've got me started - why am I sending oil samples off to be
analyzed? I got A's in qualitative analysis. I have forgotten 90% of
it in the last 35 years, but it sure was fun.

On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LOL - we had one donated to us in High School (I was
> in the science club) and we could never get it to
> work...don't really want to go that route. Would
> rather find a service. gonna google it now.
> 
> CM

-- 
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK 
'87 300SDL
'81 240D
'78 450SLC

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Christopher McCann]

Answerd my own question:

"As long as TBN is above 0.5 there is no need to
change SynLube™, and even if TBN becomes NEGATIVE
(TAN) then only small addition of 4 to 8 oz of TBN
additive that is available from SynLube,Inc. will
drastically increase TBN readings (sometimes OVER 10).

TBN is generally ONLY concern in some Diesel Engines
that have sensitivity to oil which turns acidic.

Most transmission oils are intentionally acidic as
this helps with adhesion of anti-scuff additives onto
gear faces and teeth."

SO:

1. ATF is already acidic (bad)
2. There is a TBN additive, which could compensate
(perhaps) for the sulphur in the gear lube, rendering
my a-1 sauce neutral...yes? no?

Feedback is truly welcome.

Christopher


--- Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Marshall,
> 
> Thank you for explaining the problem with the high
> sulfur content of gear lube. I guess that's why the
> new stuff smells almost as bad as the used stuff. I
> can see why this is a problem. Perhaps the
> alkalinity
> of the very large amount of motor oil
> (proportiionally) in the mix (of the oil from a-1
> barrel company) will compensate for the sulfuric
> acid
> produced, but then again, maybe not, since the
> detergents get burned in the same combustion
> process.
> 
> Question: Does ATF have TBN values anywhere near
> those
> of motor oil? I would think not. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Will rethink the current procedure.
> 
> Cancer research: I'll leave that to professionals.
> Alternative energy, prefer to do that myself without
> credentials. Don't really fancy doing marketing as a
> hobby since I do it all day long.
> 
> "see" y'all on Monday. No internet at home.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
> --- Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Christopher McCann wrote:
> > > I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen)
> last
> > > nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd
> > smelled
> > > disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the
> tank.
> > > Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease.
> I
> > > took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2
> and
> > put
> > > it in the freezer. It gelled. Added the
> > appropriate
> > > amount of GE 8932Q and dumped the whole lot in
> the
> > > tank.
> > > 
> > > We are now at about 25% recylced oil in the mix.
> > The
> > > engine is incredibly quiet. Smokes a fair amount
> > at
> > > start up, but id fine once warm (which still
> > amazes
> > > me).
> > > 
> > > As soon as I move (close today, if they get the
> > title
> > > right), I will order 1,000 liters of "a-l sauce"
> > and
> > > start more carefully measuring my oil-diesel
> > > proportions, will also set up the large qty
> filter
> > > system at this time and start keeping more
> > detailed
> > > records.
> > > 
> > > Diesels are amazing...wonder what would happen
> if
> > I
> > > put bacon fat in my wife's Toyota Sienna?... :-)
> > > 
> > > Christopher
> > 
> > The sulfur in any ep grease results in the the
> > accumulation of sulfuric 
> > acid combustion by-products in the oil and GREATLY
> > increased engine wear 
> > and corrosion. Frequent oil changes using high TBN
> > oils can control this 
> > to some degree, but there will be sulfur acids in
> > the exhaust emissions.
> > 
> > When you finish with this project you might want
> to
> > try to concoct 
> > remedies for cancer. I feel sure you're just as
> > qualified and there 
> > really IS a need!
> > 
> > Or perhaps it might be more desirable to let
> people
> > with knowledge and 
> > training in the subjects find cancer cures or
> > alternate energy sources.
> > 
> > Marshall
> > -- 
> >   Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned
> > questions)
> >"der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2
> > 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
> > 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
> >Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member
> > GWSection
> > 
> http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
> > 
> > 
> > ___
> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > For new parts see www.buymbparts.com
> > For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com
> > 
> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> >
>
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> > 
> 
> 
> Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
> -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf"
>
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> -1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen
> Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test
> Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A
> PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
> -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 
>  
> 
> ___
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> For new parts see www.buymbparts.com
> For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com
> 
> T

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Christopher McCann]

To frighten y'all even more, after trashing the 240D
(2 to 1 odds in the next two months), I plan on
running a 560 SEL on gasogen, building a waste oil
heater
(http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html#mwoh)
and making a biogas digester to fuel my gas log.

Looked at a diesel generator tonight too...screw the
grid. You know people are running HOME fuel oil
furnaces on veggie oil (but probably not pig fat or
gear lube)...endless possibilities

BTW, who on the list does oil analysis? I'd like to
have the a-l sauce tested for sulphur content,
seriously.

God Bless, enjoy the weekend.

Christopher




--- Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Marshall,
> 
> Thank you for explaining the problem with the high
> sulfur content of gear lube. I guess that's why the
> new stuff smells almost as bad as the used stuff. I
> can see why this is a problem. Perhaps the
> alkalinity
> of the very large amount of motor oil
> (proportiionally) in the mix (of the oil from a-1
> barrel company) will compensate for the sulfuric
> acid
> produced, but then again, maybe not, since the
> detergents get burned in the same combustion
> process.
> 
> Question: Does ATF have TBN values anywhere near
> those
> of motor oil? I would think not. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Will rethink the current procedure.
> 
> Cancer research: I'll leave that to professionals.
> Alternative energy, prefer to do that myself without
> credentials. Don't really fancy doing marketing as a
> hobby since I do it all day long.
> 
> "see" y'all on Monday. No internet at home.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
> --- Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Christopher McCann wrote:
> > > I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen)
> last
> > > nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd
> > smelled
> > > disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the
> tank.
> > > Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease.
> I
> > > took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2
> and
> > put
> > > it in the freezer. It gelled. Added the
> > appropriate
> > > amount of GE 8932Q and dumped the whole lot in
> the
> > > tank.
> > > 
> > > We are now at about 25% recylced oil in the mix.
> > The
> > > engine is incredibly quiet. Smokes a fair amount
> > at
> > > start up, but id fine once warm (which still
> > amazes
> > > me).
> > > 
> > > As soon as I move (close today, if they get the
> > title
> > > right), I will order 1,000 liters of "a-l sauce"
> > and
> > > start more carefully measuring my oil-diesel
> > > proportions, will also set up the large qty
> filter
> > > system at this time and start keeping more
> > detailed
> > > records.
> > > 
> > > Diesels are amazing...wonder what would happen
> if
> > I
> > > put bacon fat in my wife's Toyota Sienna?... :-)
> > > 
> > > Christopher
> > 
> > The sulfur in any ep grease results in the the
> > accumulation of sulfuric 
> > acid combustion by-products in the oil and GREATLY
> > increased engine wear 
> > and corrosion. Frequent oil changes using high TBN
> > oils can control this 
> > to some degree, but there will be sulfur acids in
> > the exhaust emissions.
> > 
> > When you finish with this project you might want
> to
> > try to concoct 
> > remedies for cancer. I feel sure you're just as
> > qualified and there 
> > really IS a need!
> > 
> > Or perhaps it might be more desirable to let
> people
> > with knowledge and 
> > training in the subjects find cancer cures or
> > alternate energy sources.
> > 
> > Marshall
> > -- 
> >   Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned
> > questions)
> >"der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2
> > 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
> > 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
> >Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member
> > GWSection
> > 
> http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
> > 
> > 
> > ___
> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > For new parts see www.buymbparts.com
> > For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com
> > 
> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> >
>
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> > 
> 
> 
> Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
> -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf"
>
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> -1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen
> Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test
> Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A
> PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
> -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 
>  
> 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Christopher McCann]

Whateverthanol - I like it, but not using any alcohol,
although if I drink enough Boulevard Wheat Beer
tonight, I might try that :-)

Eco-coal - Dr. Rudy Diesel did that. Didn't work too
well (idiot)...then he tried "benzine" and blew up
half his shop (idiot), then tried peanut oil and
amazed the 1893 Paris world's fair...

Christopher (PROFESSIONAL idiot)

--- David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As usual, the Onion lends some perspective:
> http://www.onion.com/infograph/index.php?issue=4133
> The bottom bullet point makes me think of our friend
> Christopher.
> 
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Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A 
PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"

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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

[Christopher McCann]

keeping a close eye on the fuel strainer and both
filters. When the IP croaks, you'll be the first to
know.

Christopher

--- David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > Im not going to get sued, and even if I did they
> wouldnt get much.  Keep 
> > on posting your results.  Although I will say you
> will blow your engine 
> > up sooner or later.
> 
> I think he'll just ruin his injector pump. 
> Actually, it's more likely
> he'll clog up the fuel strainer before he gets that
> far.
> 
> I'm not nearly as adventurous, although I did use my
> Mercedes to dispose
> of a pint of lamp oil and an old quart of 10W30,
> last month.  Both were
> mixed with about 15 gallons of B20.  The car didn't
> notice.  In fact, I
> had it emission tested while it was on that tank of
> fuel.
> 
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Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A 
PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"




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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Christopher McCann]

thought of visiting the place. It was supposed to put
out oil at $15/barrel...right now it's costing
$80/barrel and the plant stinks so bad that the
neighbors are not happy. Warren Buffett's son is a big
investor in it. All I know. I thought it was a lower
grade than #2...

Christopher

--- redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The Butterball Turkey plant some place in MO is
> putting out #2 type 
> fuel for internal vehicle use from the offal.  The
> process is thermal 
> depolymerization and the stuff coming out the end is
> #2 (must be bio of 
> a sort).  Would the thermal part of it have rid the
> feed stock of water 
> and other crud to the point it renders rendered
> turkey goo as truck 
> fuel?
> 
> On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 11:10 AM, LT Don
> wrote:
> 
> > No, I think he is as serious as an injector heart
> attack (which isn't
> > a bad analogy).
> >
> > On 8/19/05, Steve MacSween
> >>
> >> OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal
> fat? Through a Bosch
> >> plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime,
> even strained do death.
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
> >
> > ___
> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > For new parts see www.buymbparts.com
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> 
> 
> --
> Clay
> Seattle Bioburner
> 
> 1972 220D - Gump
> 1995 E300D - Cleo
> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
> 
> 
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-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A 
PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"

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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Christopher McCann]

Marshall,

Thank you for explaining the problem with the high
sulfur content of gear lube. I guess that's why the
new stuff smells almost as bad as the used stuff. I
can see why this is a problem. Perhaps the alkalinity
of the very large amount of motor oil
(proportiionally) in the mix (of the oil from a-1
barrel company) will compensate for the sulfuric acid
produced, but then again, maybe not, since the
detergents get burned in the same combustion process.

Question: Does ATF have TBN values anywhere near those
of motor oil? I would think not. Thanks in advance.

Will rethink the current procedure.

Cancer research: I'll leave that to professionals.
Alternative energy, prefer to do that myself without
credentials. Don't really fancy doing marketing as a
hobby since I do it all day long.

"see" y'all on Monday. No internet at home.

Christopher


--- Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last
> > nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd
> smelled
> > disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the tank.
> > Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease. I
> > took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2 and
> put
> > it in the freezer. It gelled. Added the
> appropriate
> > amount of GE 8932Q and dumped the whole lot in the
> > tank.
> > 
> > We are now at about 25% recylced oil in the mix.
> The
> > engine is incredibly quiet. Smokes a fair amount
> at
> > start up, but id fine once warm (which still
> amazes
> > me).
> > 
> > As soon as I move (close today, if they get the
> title
> > right), I will order 1,000 liters of "a-l sauce"
> and
> > start more carefully measuring my oil-diesel
> > proportions, will also set up the large qty filter
> > system at this time and start keeping more
> detailed
> > records.
> > 
> > Diesels are amazing...wonder what would happen if
> I
> > put bacon fat in my wife's Toyota Sienna?... :-)
> > 
> > Christopher
> 
> The sulfur in any ep grease results in the the
> accumulation of sulfuric 
> acid combustion by-products in the oil and GREATLY
> increased engine wear 
> and corrosion. Frequent oil changes using high TBN
> oils can control this 
> to some degree, but there will be sulfur acids in
> the exhaust emissions.
> 
> When you finish with this project you might want to
> try to concoct 
> remedies for cancer. I feel sure you're just as
> qualified and there 
> really IS a need!
> 
> Or perhaps it might be more desirable to let people
> with knowledge and 
> training in the subjects find cancer cures or
> alternate energy sources.
> 
> Marshall
> -- 
> Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned
> questions)
>"der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2
> 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
> 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
>Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member
> GWSection
>  http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
> 
> 
> ___
> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> For new parts see www.buymbparts.com
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> 
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Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A 
PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"




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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[David Brodbeck]

As usual, the Onion lends some perspective:
http://www.onion.com/infograph/index.php?issue=4133
The bottom bullet point makes me think of our friend Christopher.

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

[David Brodbeck]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Im not going to get sued, and even if I did they wouldnt get much.  Keep 
> on posting your results.  Although I will say you will blow your engine 
> up sooner or later.

I think he'll just ruin his injector pump.  Actually, it's more likely
he'll clog up the fuel strainer before he gets that far.

I'm not nearly as adventurous, although I did use my Mercedes to dispose
of a pint of lamp oil and an old quart of 10W30, last month.  Both were
mixed with about 15 gallons of B20.  The car didn't notice.  In fact, I
had it emission tested while it was on that tank of fuel.

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[redghost]

The Butterball Turkey plant some place in MO is putting out #2 type 
fuel for internal vehicle use from the offal.  The process is thermal 
depolymerization and the stuff coming out the end is #2 (must be bio of 
a sort).  Would the thermal part of it have rid the feed stock of water 
and other crud to the point it renders rendered turkey goo as truck 
fuel?


On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 11:10 AM, LT Don wrote:


No, I think he is as serious as an injector heart attack (which isn't
a bad analogy).

On 8/19/05, Steve MacSween


OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal fat? Through a Bosch
plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime, even strained do death.




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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

[Christopher McCann]

thought of that already. The Jews considered hanging
pork fat in busses to deter Muslim suicide bombers.
General Pershing used lard tipped bullets in putting
down a Muslim uprising in the Philippines...maybe I
should write to Donald Rummy.

Christopher

--- Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ROTFLMAO
> 
> Royce Engler
> 1985 300TD Turbo 265K 
> 
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Rich Thomas
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease
> and OLD gear lube (DO
> NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)
> 
> 
> Does it smell good when you drive it?  From the
> bacon not the gear lube 
> (that stuff smells foul even when new, burned
> probably worse).
> 
> I am extremely concerned however that you might be
> inadvertantly 
> exposing devout Jews, Muslims, vegans, PETA
> activists and perhaps some 
> erudite Hollywood actors and washed-up pop singers
> to vaporous pork 
> products, through inhaled (un)combusted pork
> by-products, thereby 
> insuring their lives and afterlives will not be
> remotely happy.  How can 
> you live with yourself for this atrocity? 
> Please do not drive the 
> testmobile at Gitmo or AbuGraib or we will have
> non-stop cable news 
> coverage for the next 6 months, with attendant ACLU
> rantings and 
> forged-but-accurate reports.  I don't think there
> are any prohibitions 
> against dinosaur product consumption, though there
> is a museum here in 
> Texas that has proof they walked side-by-side with
> Man, but the 
> implication is that they were intelligently-designed
> Christians so I am 
> guessing they did not have any issues with eating
> them (dominion over 
> beestes and all that) or using them to propel a
> vehicle.
> 
> In the fall you might be able to get some moose
> grease and try that.
> 
> --R
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Experiments

[Christopher McCann]

Thanks for the encouragement, Bill. Don't really think
this is cutting edge, but would like to substantiate
or disprove all the "I added horse piss to my benz for
20 years and it worked just fine" stories.

Thanks, Christopher


--- Bill Aston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I  would imagine that there will be critics of your
> lab procedures even 
> after you succeed in turning the engineering world
> on its ear.  Please do 
> continue, let us know how things are going, and then
> consider publishing in 
> a learned journal. I believe that Henry Ford started
> with such basic 
> material.
> Cheers
> Bill Aston 
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-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

[Royce Engler]

ROTFLMAO

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO
NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)


Does it smell good when you drive it?  From the bacon not the gear lube 
(that stuff smells foul even when new, burned probably worse).

I am extremely concerned however that you might be inadvertantly 
exposing devout Jews, Muslims, vegans, PETA activists and perhaps some 
erudite Hollywood actors and washed-up pop singers to vaporous pork 
products, through inhaled (un)combusted pork by-products, thereby 
insuring their lives and afterlives will not be remotely happy.  How can 
you live with yourself for this atrocity?  Please do not drive the 
testmobile at Gitmo or AbuGraib or we will have non-stop cable news 
coverage for the next 6 months, with attendant ACLU rantings and 
forged-but-accurate reports.  I don't think there are any prohibitions 
against dinosaur product consumption, though there is a museum here in 
Texas that has proof they walked side-by-side with Man, but the 
implication is that they were intelligently-designed Christians so I am 
guessing they did not have any issues with eating them (dominion over 
beestes and all that) or using them to propel a vehicle.

In the fall you might be able to get some moose grease and try that.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Christopher McCann]

good point, but that could be true of any used veggie
oil, not just bacon grease.

Christopher

--- Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Somebody else said it first but when I read about
> the gear lube I was wondering why you wanted to put
> water in the fuel... If it looks like chocolate
> milk, or worse, coffee milk its got water in it.
> Do you know what makes bacon into bacon? Smoke and
> SALT. I bet if you check it that grease is quite
> salty (thats what makes it tasty) and as such is
> definately corrosive.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease
> and OLD gear lube
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID:
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Yes, I was serious. Yes, it's a $500 rust bucket
> (that
> runs well, for the time being anyway).
> 
> So:
> 
> 1. what is so different about gear lube than other
> oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad. You
> mention sulfur additive...is that going to cause a
> mechanical problem, or simply violate Ultra-low
> sulfur
> fuel guidelines? BTW, is the sulfur why it smells so
> bad (both new and used)?
> 
> 2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly
> refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so
> why
> should it cause a problem in the injection
> pump?...it's not like it's corrosive to metal or
> seals
> or gets cold in the pump and "hardens the
> arteries"..proportion of bacon grease to diesel is
> probably 1-2%. I can see obvious jelling issues in
> the
> winter if the proportion were too high.
> 
> Not saying I'm right (I'm probably not), just would
> like some more elaboration...trying to learn,
> probably
> the hard way.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
> 
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-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Curt Raymond]

Somebody else said it first but when I read about the gear lube I was wondering 
why you wanted to put water in the fuel... If it looks like chocolate milk, or 
worse, coffee milk its got water in it.
Do you know what makes bacon into bacon? Smoke and SALT. I bet if you check it 
that grease is quite salty (thats what makes it tasty) and as such is 
definately corrosive.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Yes, I was serious. Yes, it's a $500 rust bucket (that
runs well, for the time being anyway).

So:

1. what is so different about gear lube than other
oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad. You
mention sulfur additive...is that going to cause a
mechanical problem, or simply violate Ultra-low sulfur
fuel guidelines? BTW, is the sulfur why it smells so
bad (both new and used)?

2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly
refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so why
should it cause a problem in the injection
pump?...it's not like it's corrosive to metal or seals
or gets cold in the pump and "hardens the
arteries"..proportion of bacon grease to diesel is
probably 1-2%. I can see obvious jelling issues in the
winter if the proportion were too high.

Not saying I'm right (I'm probably not), just would
like some more elaboration...trying to learn, probably
the hard way.

Thanks,

Christopher





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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Mitch Haley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  One of the few things the French have done
> recently that's worth admiring is sinking Rainbow Warrior.

As recently as 241 months ago, eh?
http://library.christchurch.org.nz/Childrens/NZDisasters/RainbowWarrior.asp

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Im not going to get sued, and even if I did they wouldnt get much.  Keep 
on posting your results.  Although I will say you will blow your engine 
up sooner or later.  I would like to start a pool on this, i give it 2 
months.


Christopher McCann wrote:


Dear Steve,

No need for the Kevlar suit. I appreciate your
comments.

1. First your concern about people taking what is said
casually as if it were gospel. I make a point, more
than anyone else on this list, of confessing my
newbie-ness and general ignorance. I hope nobody reads
one of my posts and decides it's perfectly fine to use
bacon grease in their car. I already have something of
a disclaimer in my signature...the AKP-Wagen is
specifically named and translated as "Alternative Fuel
Test Vehicle". I would NEVER do this with my excellent
SD. NEVER. I bought a $500 rust bucket for this. I
think I have made that clear in nearly all my posts
and have been asked to keep people updated, which I am
doing. I respect all the feedback I get BECAUSE people
like you are on the list with lots of experience. I
myself have read many posts of people adding all sorts
of things to their fuel (even Marshall uses motor oil
as a "tonic", truckers regularly add ATF to their
fuel, another man on the list filtered used motor oil
and put a quart per tank in his car for decades.
Luther is running a 60/40 oil/diesel mix...this all
fascinates me and that's why I decided to see what
really happens, hence this rust bucket test vehicle.
So I am a certified ignoramous, but still had the
sense to NOT do this to my nice SD...so if I figured
that out, I bet most people can. This is a DISCUSSION
group, not an official MB "here is the Black Forest
engineers exact recommendation on everything list."
Although, I will say, that I am all for doing
everything MB says on my SD down to gleitungspaste for
my sunroof, M1 for my engine, green grease for my
bearings and Zerex G-05 for my coolant. We can't limit
our discussion to absolute "automotive truths" becuase
there might be an idiot on the list. The example you
give from last week is an opportunity for a
knowledgeable person like you to say, "hey buddy,
that's dangerous."

2. "never heard of anyone running gear oil through
their diesel fuel system." I had never heard of anyone
running anything but diesel fuel through their system
till I started talking to people. ATF is not motor
oil, is not gear lube, is not veggie oil, is not bacon
grease. Some are reported to work, maybe some don't.
I'm trying to figure that out.

3. difference between used oil and garbage - well, I
don't know. It's filtered, it has a relatively low
flash point between diesel and veggie oil and it
burns. It's not being used as a lubricant anymore, so
for fuel purposes, I don't know.

4. I realize that IP's have very tight tolerances, on
the level of MICRONS. The fuel does not lubricate it
(and even if it did, grease certainly lubricates
better), so it's a question of purity and filtering,
not what exact oil it is, be it fuel or cooking.

5. "the day that anything that cooked out of something
else in a frying pan goes into my car, filtered,
remixed diluted, or whatever, will be when social
conditions have hit the Mad Max level." You may here
be speaking of the bacon and not veggie oil, for
example. If it's the former, fine, I agree, it's
pushing the envelope. If it's the latter, then I
wonder what you think, in general, on the use of
vegetable oil as a diesel fuel. Perhaps you are more
concerned becuase of my single tank approach rather
than a double tank one. I don't know.

6. IP repair complexity. It's a 30 year old car. If it
gets ruined, replace it with a $100 used one from the
P&P.

7. "propagating questionable practices" I'm not
propagating anything, I'm testing. Alternative Fuel
TEST vehicle...note the change to my signature.

well, it seems that your main point was about newbies
taking my experiments as SOP. Fine. Agreed.
DISCLAIMER: DONT TRY THIS AT HOME, YOU MIGHT KILL
YOURSELF OR YOUR CAR. LET CHRIS MCCANN DO IT FIRST AND
WE'LL ALL HAVE A GOOD LAUGH AT HIM.

okay, a bit of a flame, but if the consensus of the
list is that they don't want to hear about my
experiments for fear of Kaleb getting sued, I'll quit
posting about it. Seriously.

Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf"
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen
Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test
Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A
PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"



--- Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



1. what is so different about gear lube than other
oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad.


Nothing, inherently, that I am aware of, makes it
BAD. Though I have never
heard of anyone running gear oil through their
diesel fuel system. Also, it
obviously has different properties to ATF and 

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Marshall Booth]

Christopher McCann wrote:

I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last
nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled
disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the tank.
Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease. I
took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2 and put
it in the freezer. It gelled. Added the appropriate
amount of GE 8932Q and dumped the whole lot in the
tank.

We are now at about 25% recylced oil in the mix. The
engine is incredibly quiet. Smokes a fair amount at
start up, but id fine once warm (which still amazes
me).

As soon as I move (close today, if they get the title
right), I will order 1,000 liters of "a-l sauce" and
start more carefully measuring my oil-diesel
proportions, will also set up the large qty filter
system at this time and start keeping more detailed
records.

Diesels are amazing...wonder what would happen if I
put bacon fat in my wife's Toyota Sienna?... :-)

Christopher


The sulfur in any ep grease results in the the accumulation of sulfuric 
acid combustion by-products in the oil and GREATLY increased engine wear 
and corrosion. Frequent oil changes using high TBN oils can control this 
to some degree, but there will be sulfur acids in the exhaust emissions.


When you finish with this project you might want to try to concoct 
remedies for cancer. I feel sure you're just as qualified and there 
really IS a need!


Or perhaps it might be more desirable to let people with knowledge and 
training in the subjects find cancer cures or alternate energy sources.


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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you are correct macswine.

Steve MacSween wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 >

 > IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication
qualities of
 > the fuel.  The pumps in our cars use motor oil for lubrication.
 >

 > That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a critical factor in Bosch 
pumps as

 > it is in rotary injection pumps that use diesel fuel for lubrication.

The first shop that explained the workings of the inline pump to me, 
said that the actual delivery pistons are lubcricated by the fuel, which 
makes perfect sense if you look at a cutaway view of the pump. That is 
why the choice of whether or not to use a fuel additive, and then if you 
do which additive is chosen, is so critical and sparks so much debate, 
as any interference with the action of those pistons affects fuel 
delivery volume and amount (and of course there are seals issues as 
well, with some lubcricants).


This applies to injectors as well, of course, but you can 
remove/clean/rebuild injectors more easily and cheaply than messing with 
the pump.


Mac




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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Even if this 240D was rough body wise, the engine is at least worth not 
abusing.  It may run OK for a while, but one day it will all the sudden 
loose compresson in 1 or more holes because its carboned up or worse.


Mitch Haley wrote:


Christopher McCann wrote:


I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last
nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled
disgusting. 



So you put sulphur additive gear oil, likely mixed with water
if it's that color, in your fuel? With bacon skillet drippings?

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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Marshall Booth]

LT Don wrote:

$1.59 on sale at Fareway in Iowa. Not the grease -- ya gotta actually
cook and eat the stuff to get the grease. I call it "my burden" for
the Chris Project.



If I could get a gallon for $1.59 there MIGHT be an argument to be made, 
but I doubt that $1.59 would generate even a qt of grease


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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hey chris, thanks for the package, it arrived.

Christopher McCann wrote:


I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last
nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled
disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the tank.
Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease. I
took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2 and put
it in the freezer. It gelled. Added the appropriate
amount of GE 8932Q and dumped the whole lot in the
tank.

We are now at about 25% recylced oil in the mix. The
engine is incredibly quiet. Smokes a fair amount at
start up, but id fine once warm (which still amazes
me).

As soon as I move (close today, if they get the title
right), I will order 1,000 liters of "a-l sauce" and
start more carefully measuring my oil-diesel
proportions, will also set up the large qty filter
system at this time and start keeping more detailed
records.

Diesels are amazing...wonder what would happen if I
put bacon fat in my wife's Toyota Sienna?... :-)

Christopher




--- LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Chris,

I'd suggest an email to Virginia Tech. LOTS of guys
down there (such
as my son was) looking for MS projects.

On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


that's a great idea. There is plenty of "room" for
very serious research in this field. trip to UMKC


(U


of MO @ KC)...chemistry...environmental
sciences...engineering...

CM

--- TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


wrote:


A university lab might do it for free and chalk


it


up to "research".
You could even side up with a grad student and
convince them it's
thesis material...

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't


hurt


to


phone the KCPD lab and ask if they do outside


jobs


too. If university labs do it for a little


cash,


why


not the cops?

CM


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-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen"


(Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen =
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[LT Don]

Greenpeace!!!1

On 8/19/05, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> You think whale oil would work in the Benz?  It is a very fine
> lubricant, and burns with no soot.
> 
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Rich Thomas]

You think whale oil would work in the Benz?  It is a very fine 
lubricant, and burns with no soot.


--R

 

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[LT Don]

$1.59 on sale at Fareway in Iowa. Not the grease -- ya gotta actually
cook and eat the stuff to get the grease. I call it "my burden" for
the Chris Project.

On 8/19/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LT Don wrote:
> > I think bacon grease is pushing the envelope of sanity a bit too much.
> > I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all
> > costs.
> >
> 
> And has anybody checked out what bacon fat costs per gallon for pretty
> poor fuel??
> 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Marshall Booth]

LT Don wrote:

I think bacon grease is pushing the envelope of sanity a bit too much.
I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all
costs.



And has anybody checked out what bacon fat costs per gallon for pretty 
poor fuel??


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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

[LT Don]

Now don't start knocking ACLU. And don't EVEN think about putting in a
Greenpeace slam!

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

[Rich Thomas]

Does it smell good when you drive it?  From the bacon not the gear lube 
(that stuff smells foul even when new, burned probably worse).


I am extremely concerned however that you might be inadvertantly 
exposing devout Jews, Muslims, vegans, PETA activists and perhaps some 
erudite Hollywood actors and washed-up pop singers to vaporous pork 
products, through inhaled (un)combusted pork by-products, thereby 
insuring their lives and afterlives will not be remotely happy.  How can 
you live with yourself for this atrocity?  Please do not drive the 
testmobile at Gitmo or AbuGraib or we will have non-stop cable news 
coverage for the next 6 months, with attendant ACLU rantings and 
forged-but-accurate reports.  I don't think there are any prohibitions 
against dinosaur product consumption, though there is a museum here in 
Texas that has proof they walked side-by-side with Man, but the 
implication is that they were intelligently-designed Christians so I am 
guessing they did not have any issues with eating them (dominion over 
beestes and all that) or using them to propel a vehicle.


In the fall you might be able to get some moose grease and try that.

--R


 

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

[Christopher McCann]

Dear Steve,

No need for the Kevlar suit. I appreciate your
comments.

1. First your concern about people taking what is said
casually as if it were gospel. I make a point, more
than anyone else on this list, of confessing my
newbie-ness and general ignorance. I hope nobody reads
one of my posts and decides it's perfectly fine to use
bacon grease in their car. I already have something of
a disclaimer in my signature...the AKP-Wagen is
specifically named and translated as "Alternative Fuel
Test Vehicle". I would NEVER do this with my excellent
SD. NEVER. I bought a $500 rust bucket for this. I
think I have made that clear in nearly all my posts
and have been asked to keep people updated, which I am
doing. I respect all the feedback I get BECAUSE people
like you are on the list with lots of experience. I
myself have read many posts of people adding all sorts
of things to their fuel (even Marshall uses motor oil
as a "tonic", truckers regularly add ATF to their
fuel, another man on the list filtered used motor oil
and put a quart per tank in his car for decades.
Luther is running a 60/40 oil/diesel mix...this all
fascinates me and that's why I decided to see what
really happens, hence this rust bucket test vehicle.
So I am a certified ignoramous, but still had the
sense to NOT do this to my nice SD...so if I figured
that out, I bet most people can. This is a DISCUSSION
group, not an official MB "here is the Black Forest
engineers exact recommendation on everything list."
Although, I will say, that I am all for doing
everything MB says on my SD down to gleitungspaste for
my sunroof, M1 for my engine, green grease for my
bearings and Zerex G-05 for my coolant. We can't limit
our discussion to absolute "automotive truths" becuase
there might be an idiot on the list. The example you
give from last week is an opportunity for a
knowledgeable person like you to say, "hey buddy,
that's dangerous."

2. "never heard of anyone running gear oil through
their diesel fuel system." I had never heard of anyone
running anything but diesel fuel through their system
till I started talking to people. ATF is not motor
oil, is not gear lube, is not veggie oil, is not bacon
grease. Some are reported to work, maybe some don't.
I'm trying to figure that out.

3. difference between used oil and garbage - well, I
don't know. It's filtered, it has a relatively low
flash point between diesel and veggie oil and it
burns. It's not being used as a lubricant anymore, so
for fuel purposes, I don't know.

4. I realize that IP's have very tight tolerances, on
the level of MICRONS. The fuel does not lubricate it
(and even if it did, grease certainly lubricates
better), so it's a question of purity and filtering,
not what exact oil it is, be it fuel or cooking.

5. "the day that anything that cooked out of something
else in a frying pan goes into my car, filtered,
remixed diluted, or whatever, will be when social
conditions have hit the Mad Max level." You may here
be speaking of the bacon and not veggie oil, for
example. If it's the former, fine, I agree, it's
pushing the envelope. If it's the latter, then I
wonder what you think, in general, on the use of
vegetable oil as a diesel fuel. Perhaps you are more
concerned becuase of my single tank approach rather
than a double tank one. I don't know.

6. IP repair complexity. It's a 30 year old car. If it
gets ruined, replace it with a $100 used one from the
P&P.

7. "propagating questionable practices" I'm not
propagating anything, I'm testing. Alternative Fuel
TEST vehicle...note the change to my signature.

well, it seems that your main point was about newbies
taking my experiments as SOP. Fine. Agreed.
DISCLAIMER: DONT TRY THIS AT HOME, YOU MIGHT KILL
YOURSELF OR YOUR CAR. LET CHRIS MCCANN DO IT FIRST AND
WE'LL ALL HAVE A GOOD LAUGH AT HIM.

okay, a bit of a flame, but if the consensus of the
list is that they don't want to hear about my
experiments for fear of Kaleb getting sued, I'll quit
posting about it. Seriously.

Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf"
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen
Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test
Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A
PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"



--- Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> > 1. what is so different about gear lube than other
> > oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad.
> 
> Nothing, inherently, that I am aware of, makes it
> BAD. Though I have never
> heard of anyone running gear oil through their
> diesel fuel system. Also, it
> obviously has different properties to ATF and oil,
> otherwise you would not
> have a situation where some manual gearboxes can be
> damaged by using it,
> where engine oil is specified.
> 
> However, you yourself described how 'used up' it
> was, in terms of colour and
> smell. IMN

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Steve MacSween]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication qualities of
> the fuel.  The pumps in our cars use motor oil for lubrication.
> 
> That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a critical factor in Bosch pumps as
> it is in rotary injection pumps that use diesel fuel for lubrication.

The first shop that explained the workings of the inline pump to me, said
that the actual delivery pistons are lubcricated by the fuel, which makes
perfect sense if you look at a cutaway view of the pump. That is why the
choice of whether or not to use a fuel additive, and then if you do which
additive is chosen, is so critical and sparks so much debate, as any
interference with the action of those pistons affects fuel delivery volume
and amount (and of course there are seals issues as well, with some
lubcricants).

This applies to injectors as well, of course, but you can
remove/clean/rebuild injectors more easily and cheaply than messing with the
pump.

Mac

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Chuck Landenberger]

Mac,

Forgot to sign off.

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
1980 300SD
On Aug 19, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:


Macs

No need for the kevlar from here  A correction to the quote  
below...


IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication  
qualities of the fuel.  The pumps in our cars use motor oil for  
lubrication.


That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a critical factor in  
Bosch pumps as it is in rotary injection pumps that use diesel fuel  
for lubrication.



On Aug 19, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Steve MacSween wrote:

The Bosch inline diesel injection pump looks from the outside like  
a robust
piece of kit, but on the inside it works as well as it does  
because it's a
precision instrument on the order of a Swiss watch. In particular,  
it relies
upon the lubricating qualities, and general purity, of the diesel  
that runs

through it.


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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Chuck Landenberger]

Macs

No need for the kevlar from here  A correction to the quote  
below...


IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication  
qualities of the fuel.  The pumps in our cars use motor oil for  
lubrication.


That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a critical factor in Bosch  
pumps as it is in rotary injection pumps that use diesel fuel for  
lubrication.



On Aug 19, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Steve MacSween wrote:

The Bosch inline diesel injection pump looks from the outside like  
a robust
piece of kit, but on the inside it works as well as it does because  
it's a
precision instrument on the order of a Swiss watch. In particular,  
it relies
upon the lubricating qualities, and general purity, of the diesel  
that runs

through it.

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Bucks2]

So all the dinosaurs were skinny? Crude oil is lean muscle mass? I'm getting 
confused again.

Ken


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I think bacon grease is pushing the envelope of sanity a bit too much.
I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all
costs.

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Steve MacSween]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
> 1. what is so different about gear lube than other
> oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad.

Nothing, inherently, that I am aware of, makes it BAD. Though I have never
heard of anyone running gear oil through their diesel fuel system. Also, it
obviously has different properties to ATF and oil, otherwise you would not
have a situation where some manual gearboxes can be damaged by using it,
where engine oil is specified.

However, you yourself described how 'used up' it was, in terms of colour and
smell. IMNHO, any used lubricant does not even belong in a waste oil
recycling stream (I say that advisedly, given the recent dire warnings being
given to shops about contaminants in the oil they dump into their recycling
tanks), let alone in the fuel supply of an automotive diesel engine. Any
more than, for example, used engine oil from the car of some dim bulb who
left it in for 50k miles without a change. There is a difference between
used oil and garbage, right?

> 2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly
> refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so why
> should it cause a problem in the injection
> pump?...it's not like it's corrosive to metal or seals
> or gets cold in the pump and "hardens the
> arteries"..proportion of bacon grease to diesel is
> probably 1-2%. I can see obvious jelling issues in the
> winter if the proportion were too high.

Well if there's a chemist, or chemical engineer, or lubricants specialist in
the house, now would be the time to stop lurking ;-).

The Bosch inline diesel injection pump looks from the outside like a robust
piece of kit, but on the inside it works as well as it does because it's a
precision instrument on the order of a Swiss watch. In particular, it relies
upon the lubricating qualities, and general purity, of the diesel that runs
through it. 

The equipment to properly service or rebuild one is expensive and there are
very, very few people really qualified to do it and/or who have a solid
track record. I have been on Mercedes lists for more than a decade, and I've
read countless posts from people qualified to talk about it. To say nothing
of what I've heard in conversations with diesel mechanics who have decades
of experience on these engines.

YMMV, but the day that anything that cooked out of something else in a
frying pan goes into my car, filtered, remixed, diluted, or whatever, will
be when social conditions have hit the Mad Max level.

Now of course you are free to do what you want with the car, it's yours and
good luck with your experiments. That is not really my point.

HOWEVER, my concern is wider than this issue, and comes up because I almost
posted a rant a week ago on another subject. That is, that the vast, vast
majority of people who read list content we never hear from or know what
they take away and do with the information. On most lists, 5-10 percent of
the membership contributes 90 percent of the traffic. Some people only read
part of threads, or only join the list for a short time and may not even
take away the collected wisdom of an entire thread.

So I get uncomfortable when I hear stuff like this being discussed as though
it's all harmless weekend shits and giggles, that's all. Much like the
thread a week or so ago about welding up a stressed bar (anti-sway bar),
then someone posting an anonymous pic of a homemade repair using some metal
sleeve. There is a difference between sharing information and propagating
questionable or dangerous practices, and it would be good if we all kept
that in mind and put prudence before raw enthusiasm. (To say nothing of the
fact that some clever legal beagle could probably hold Kaleb responsible for
suggestions on this list that result in mishaps.)

Ask any shop owner how many cars he has seen towed in, completely FUBAR-ed
by someone who's bigmouth BiL or know-it-all neighbour, or whomever, gave
him advice about how to work on it, or substitute parts, or whatever, and
got him in so deep the car is now a mess. I have friends who run shops, I've
seen it.

Okay, end of sermon, putting on my Kevlar suit.

Mac

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Christopher McCann]

:-)

If I keep these grease posts up, you might use them to
get me committed to your institution!

Christopher

--- LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You are overlooking the cholestoral issues here. Try
> cutting it with
> Lipitor perhaps.
> 
> On 8/19/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly
> > refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so
> why
> > should it cause a problem in the injection
> > pump?
> 
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-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
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-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"



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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[LT Don]

You are overlooking the cholestoral issues here. Try cutting it with
Lipitor perhaps.

On 8/19/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly
> refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so why
> should it cause a problem in the injection
> pump?


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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Christopher McCann]

Yes, I was serious. Yes, it's a $500 rust bucket (that
runs well, for the time being anyway).

So:

1. what is so different about gear lube than other
oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad. You
mention sulfur additive...is that going to cause a
mechanical problem, or simply violate Ultra-low sulfur
fuel guidelines? BTW, is the sulfur why it smells so
bad (both new and used)?

2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly
refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so why
should it cause a problem in the injection
pump?...it's not like it's corrosive to metal or seals
or gets cold in the pump and "hardens the
arteries"..proportion of bacon grease to diesel is
probably 1-2%. I can see obvious jelling issues in the
winter if the proportion were too high.

Not saying I'm right (I'm probably not), just would
like some more elaboration...trying to learn, probably
the hard way.

Thanks,

Christopher


--- LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And this, boys and girls, is why he was smart enough
> to buy a "beater"
> Benz diesel for this project rather than
> experimenting on his S-Class
> diesel.
> 
> On 8/19/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Christopher McCann wrote:
> > >
> > > I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen)
> last
> > > nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd
> smelled
> > > disgusting.
> > 
> > So you put sulphur additive gear oil, likely mixed
> with water
> > if it's that color, in your fuel? With bacon
> skillet drippings?
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-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[LT Don]

And this, boys and girls, is why he was smart enough to buy a "beater"
Benz diesel for this project rather than experimenting on his S-Class
diesel.

On 8/19/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christopher McCann wrote:
> >
> > I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last
> > nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled
> > disgusting.
> 
> So you put sulphur additive gear oil, likely mixed with water
> if it's that color, in your fuel? With bacon skillet drippings?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Mitch Haley]

Christopher McCann wrote:
> 
> I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last
> nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled
> disgusting. 

So you put sulphur additive gear oil, likely mixed with water
if it's that color, in your fuel? With bacon skillet drippings?

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[LT Don]

No, I think he is as serious as an injector heart attack (which isn't
a bad analogy).

On 8/19/05, Steve MacSween 
> 
> OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal fat? Through a Bosch
> plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime, even strained do death.



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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Steve MacSween]

someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all
> costs.

OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal fat? Through a Bosch
plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime, even strained do death.

MAC

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[LT Don]

I think bacon grease is pushing the envelope of sanity a bit too much.
I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all
costs.

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

[Christopher McCann]

I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last
nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled
disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the tank.
Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease. I
took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2 and put
it in the freezer. It gelled. Added the appropriate
amount of GE 8932Q and dumped the whole lot in the
tank.

We are now at about 25% recylced oil in the mix. The
engine is incredibly quiet. Smokes a fair amount at
start up, but id fine once warm (which still amazes
me).

As soon as I move (close today, if they get the title
right), I will order 1,000 liters of "a-l sauce" and
start more carefully measuring my oil-diesel
proportions, will also set up the large qty filter
system at this time and start keeping more detailed
records.

Diesels are amazing...wonder what would happen if I
put bacon fat in my wife's Toyota Sienna?... :-)

Christopher




--- LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> I'd suggest an email to Virginia Tech. LOTS of guys
> down there (such
> as my son was) looking for MS projects.
> 
> On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > that's a great idea. There is plenty of "room" for
> > very serious research in this field. trip to UMKC
> (U
> > of MO @ KC)...chemistry...environmental
> > sciences...engineering...
> > 
> > CM
> > 
> > --- TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > A university lab might do it for free and chalk
> it
> > > up to "research".
> > > You could even side up with a grad student and
> > > convince them it's
> > > thesis material...
> > >
> > > Tim
> > > 1982 300TD Moby
> > >
> > > On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't
> hurt
> > > to
> > > > phone the KCPD lab and ask if they do outside
> jobs
> > > > too. If university labs do it for a little
> cash,
> > > why
> > > > not the cops?
> > > >
> > > > CM
> > >
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> > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf"
>
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > -1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen"
> (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen =
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

[LT Don]

Chris,

I'd suggest an email to Virginia Tech. LOTS of guys down there (such
as my son was) looking for MS projects.

On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that's a great idea. There is plenty of "room" for
> very serious research in this field. trip to UMKC (U
> of MO @ KC)...chemistry...environmental
> sciences...engineering...
> 
> CM
> 
> --- TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > A university lab might do it for free and chalk it
> > up to "research".
> > You could even side up with a grad student and
> > convince them it's
> > thesis material...
> >
> > Tim
> > 1982 300TD Moby
> >
> > On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't hurt
> > to
> > > phone the KCPD lab and ask if they do outside jobs
> > > too. If university labs do it for a little cash,
> > why
> > > not the cops?
> > >
> > > CM
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

[TimothyPilgrim]

Go to the Chem department first. That's where you'll find a GC/MS.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that's a great idea. There is plenty of "room" for
> very serious research in this field. trip to UMKC (U
> of MO @ KC)...chemistry...environmental
> sciences...engineering...
> 
> CM

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

[Christopher McCann]

that's a great idea. There is plenty of "room" for
very serious research in this field. trip to UMKC (U
of MO @ KC)...chemistry...environmental
sciences...engineering...

CM

--- TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A university lab might do it for free and chalk it
> up to "research".
> You could even side up with a grad student and
> convince them it's
> thesis material...
> 
> Tim
> 1982 300TD Moby
> 
> On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't hurt
> to
> > phone the KCPD lab and ask if they do outside jobs
> > too. If university labs do it for a little cash,
> why
> > not the cops?
> > 
> > CM
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

[TimothyPilgrim]

A university lab might do it for free and chalk it up to "research".
You could even side up with a grad student and convince them it's
thesis material...

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't hurt to
> phone the KCPD lab and ask if they do outside jobs
> too. If university labs do it for a little cash, why
> not the cops?
> 
> CM

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

[Christopher McCann]

that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't hurt to
phone the KCPD lab and ask if they do outside jobs
too. If university labs do it for a little cash, why
not the cops?

CM

--- TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No, a forensic lab will do its work in-house.
> There's a little thing
> called continuity or chain-of-custody that prevents
> outsourcing. Some
> labs will do civilian work, but at a fee. It might
> be affordable,
> might not. Depends on what lab it is, if they'll do
> it at all.
> 
> Tim
> 1982 300TD Moby
> 
> On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was thinking of calling a forensic lab and
> asking if
> > they send samples out to be tested. Will try to
> find a
> > service.
> > 
> > CM
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

[Christopher McCann]

gas chromatography services - that was easy.

http://fp.uni.edu/rrttc/mts/services.asp
http://fp.uni.edu/rrttc/mts/GasChromatography.asp
http://www.chem.fsu.edu/facilities/fa_sl_bass.asp#services

and a bunch of others...wonder what they charge. :-/
Will keep y'all updated.

CM


--- Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> LOL - we had one donated to us in High School (I was
> in the science club) and we could never get it to
> work...don't really want to go that route. Would
> rather find a service. gonna google it now.
> 
> CM
> 
> --- OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Start searching eBay for Mass specttometers and
> gas
> > chromatagraphs -- 
> > 
> > 
> > > Wonder how much it would cost to have this stuff
> > > identified with a spectrometer?...
> > > 
> > > Pax,
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > Norman, OK 
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> > '81 240D
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>
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> -1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen
> Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test
> Vehicle)
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> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

[TimothyPilgrim]

No, a forensic lab will do its work in-house. There's a little thing
called continuity or chain-of-custody that prevents outsourcing. Some
labs will do civilian work, but at a fee. It might be affordable,
might not. Depends on what lab it is, if they'll do it at all.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was thinking of calling a forensic lab and asking if
> they send samples out to be tested. Will try to find a
> service.
> 
> CM

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

[Christopher McCann]

LOL - we had one donated to us in High School (I was
in the science club) and we could never get it to
work...don't really want to go that route. Would
rather find a service. gonna google it now.

CM

--- OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Start searching eBay for Mass specttometers and gas
> chromatagraphs -- 
> 
> 
> > Wonder how much it would cost to have this stuff
> > identified with a spectrometer?...
> > 
> > Pax,
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK 
> '87 300SDL
> '81 240D
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

[Christopher McCann]

I was thinking of calling a forensic lab and asking if
they send samples out to be tested. Will try to find a
service.

CM

--- TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Any half decent forensic lab will have a GS/MS that
> would fit the
> bill. How you go about getting use of it may require
> some undesirable
> steps on your part... :)
> 
> Tim
> 1982 300TD Moby
> 
> On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > mixed 1 part A-1 sauce (stuff from barrel
> > remanufacturer - mostly motor oil and tranny oil,
> > unused) with 1 part D2...blended perfectly. Then
> put
> > that mix along with straight d2 in the freezer
> > overnight...both were thicker by morning, but the
> > a-1/d2 mix seemed a little more thicker...but if
> you
> > measured the CHANGE in viscosity from room temp to
> > freezer temp, the a-1 mix gained less viscosity
> than
> > the d2 only. I can imagine that if that were
> > extrapolated (with more data points), the a-1 mix
> > would remain liquid at colder temps than d2
> > alone...sure of it.
> > NOW - the a-1 mix created nothing strange at
> first,
> > but after taking out of the freezer and letting it
> > warm up a bit, there was a white ring forming next
> to
> > the glass, which you could swhish around..the
> white
> > stuff remained visible. I saved a sample, along
> with
> > the sample of the odd (fat? water?) droplets from
> my
> > first experiment mixing various dino oils, D2,
> used
> > and unused veggie oil.
> > Wonder how much it would cost to have this stuff
> > identified with a spectrometer?...
> > 
> > Pax,
> > 
> > 
> > Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
> > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf"
>
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > -1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen"
> (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen =
> Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
> > -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
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-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

[TimothyPilgrim]

Any half decent forensic lab will have a GS/MS that would fit the
bill. How you go about getting use of it may require some undesirable
steps on your part... :)

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> mixed 1 part A-1 sauce (stuff from barrel
> remanufacturer - mostly motor oil and tranny oil,
> unused) with 1 part D2...blended perfectly. Then put
> that mix along with straight d2 in the freezer
> overnight...both were thicker by morning, but the
> a-1/d2 mix seemed a little more thicker...but if you
> measured the CHANGE in viscosity from room temp to
> freezer temp, the a-1 mix gained less viscosity than
> the d2 only. I can imagine that if that were
> extrapolated (with more data points), the a-1 mix
> would remain liquid at colder temps than d2
> alone...sure of it.
> NOW - the a-1 mix created nothing strange at first,
> but after taking out of the freezer and letting it
> warm up a bit, there was a white ring forming next to
> the glass, which you could swhish around..the white
> stuff remained visible. I saved a sample, along with
> the sample of the odd (fat? water?) droplets from my
> first experiment mixing various dino oils, D2, used
> and unused veggie oil.
> Wonder how much it would cost to have this stuff
> identified with a spectrometer?...
> 
> Pax,
> 
> 
> Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
> -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
> (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> -1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs 
> Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
> -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

[OK Don]

Start searching eBay for Mass specttometers and gas chromatagraphs -- 


> Wonder how much it would cost to have this stuff
> identified with a spectrometer?...
> 
> Pax,
> 


-- 
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'81 240D
'78 450SLC