Re: [PD] scripts instead of preferences WAS: reorg of puredata.info/docs/developer
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 01:43:33PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: OK, sounds good. But let's just remember the use case when we want pd to remember which plugins to load and which not. As plugins load before any patch, and they couldn't really be enabled/disabled per patch, their preferences will have to be stored somewhere else. We agreed before that the /disabled folders method is no good, and that we (probably me) will code up a logic which stores this in preferences (via ::pd_guiprefs). I'm interested in further brainstorming but right now I feel that good old preferences is something we'll have to live with for a longer time. We'll have to make a distinction between global stuff (plugins, global prefs) and those things which are better handled per patch, from inside patches. Yes, I agree. For things that affect the editor and not the patch itself, then preferences makes more sense. .hc Having a list of plugins would be probably the best cross-platform solution. However, it may be a good idea to have plugin sets, if one needs to start-up in kiosk mode or something else at times :) Perhaps the file with plugin list should supplied as an argument. Cheers, -- Ilya ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT: emails to the list / SMTP servers / SPF record
András, Firstly, I cannot see this being relevant to anyone on the list. Secondly, from my personal experience SPF doesn't help very much - you will need DomainKey and that need to be setup in the MTA. My personal solution to all mail delivery issues is to use Google Apps with my domain name. If your SMTP server has potentially or really bad reputation (spam history, shared hosting, home ISP IP) - the chances that your mail arrives at gmail/hotmail/other are terribly unstable. I know this from my work experience at a shared hosting company. The solution to this is to have private IP on a private host or use gmail/hotmail/other. Cheers, -- Ilya On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 07:15:50PM +0200, András Murányi wrote: Dear List, Gmail has made some changes so with emails that are not sent from the domain of the email address (eg: an email from don...@duck.com sent by an SMTP server smtp.alligator.com) I get warnings such as This message may not have been sent by: don...@duck.com, and/or the sender is displayed as don...@duck.com via alligator.com. I've made some research and all this is because of increasing protection against email spoofing. The solution is to add a so-called SPF (Sender Policy Framework) record to your DNS records. (More info: http://www.openspf.org/) Some ISPs like Godaddy support it with their DNS editor, some others need to add a TXT record manually (in my case something like this: v=spf1 mx mx: smtp.myisp.net include:smtp.gmail.com include:myotherisp.net -all). Hope this helps some of you. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT: emails to the list / SMTP servers / SPF record
On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 03:09:09AM +0200, András Murányi wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 23:29, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: Firstly, I cannot see this being relevant to anyone on the list. It is - I see the warning attached to many people's mails (on this mailing list). Actually your mail has arrived with the warning: This message may not have been sent by: errordevelo...@gmail.com - Learn more - Report phishing Yes, that's because the message was sent via the list server. SPF won't help, the warning which you is an awfull non-sense. Secondly, from my personal experience SPF doesn't help very much - you will need DomainKey and that need to be setup in the MTA. I'll need to see if SPF has a positive effect on this - at the moment, I just thought this is an emerging issue and people better hear about it from a mailing list than having person-to-person mails lost in nowhere. Nope, you had been mislead by those silly warnings. I am not going to explain how email delivery works. As I said, the reason why this sort of warning may come-up, is because the message from the list arrive with senders address in 'From:' from field, however it goes via the mailing list server, hence other fields do not match the domain name of the sender. Whoever coded the software you are using, haven't placed an exception for mailing lists. There are RFC-coliant header fields which must be looked at by that software, but they are being ignored, which is wrong. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libpd and BUG Labs
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 09:15:29PM -0400, Andrew Turley wrote: I work for BUG Labs. In my spare time I've been playing around with some ideas for using libpd on our device. I put up a blog post about my work here: http://community.buglabs.net/aturley/posts/240-libpd-Embedding-Graphical-Programming Nothing revolutionary, but I thought people might enjoy seeing Pure Data on yet another platform (in this case, running in OSGi on ARM). andy That's great, nevertheless your company's product or too expensive for what they are! May be if you were to come up with something like Panda or Beagle board, but more pro-audio oriented (i.e. with ballanced mic input and good 96Hz converters) - many people here would be intereseted :) It doesn't have to be OMAP (in fact better not OMAP), but any other multicore ARM with VPF, e.g. Marvell ARMADA. Contact me if you do need more information on this .. And certainly a cheaper enclosure .. I see that your company make these nice and expensive eclosures ..which would rather be optional, from my point of view! Cheers, -- Ilya D ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Touchscreen Kiosk audio experiments
Hi Simon, Very interesting indeed! Please write about the hardware or give a link to those details :) Cheers, -- Ilya On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 08:02:49PM +, Simon Kilshaw wrote: Hi All, Here are some examples of interactive touchscreen installations I'm working on with pd/gem. No multitouch yet, but any feedback would be welcome! www.youtube.com/mrsimonkilshawhttp://www.youtube.com/mrsimonkilshaw All the best Simon [Royal Welsh College of Music Drama]http://www.rwcmd.ac.uk/ Royal Welsh College of Music Drama, Castle Grounds, Cathays Park, Cardiff CF10 3ER A subsidiary of the University of Glamorgan Company registration 6013744, registered in England and Wales Coleg Brenhinol Cerdd a Drama Cymru, Maes y Castell, Parc Cathays, Caerdydd CF10 3ER Is-gwmni Prifysgol Morgannwg Cofrestriad cwmni 6013744, a gofrestrwyd yn Lloegr a Chymru ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd suddenly huge in Russia?
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:05:30AM +0100, pierlu wrote: Given that 84% of dowloads are from russia and 84% of OSes are of type Unknown... I guess that those are not regular users... As of why so many downloads... I cannot even imagine something stupid to say. p. I had this feeling without even looking at OS stats! even having Putin's pro-Linux policies in mind, doesn't make you believe that PD would become next to none! perpas Apache is more like to have 30% (at max) of downloads from Russian IPs .. Well a torrent client would hit the 70%, for godsake may be! lol :) On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:36 AM, palmieri, ricardo ricardopalmi...@gmail.com wrote: is it related to some kind of new non-open source cold war? no way palm 2011/2/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at I was just looking at the download statistics, and it seems there was an insane burst of downloads from Russia recently: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pure-data/files/pd-extended/0.42.5/stats/timeline?dates=2011-01-01+to+2011-02-22 Anyone have any ideas on why? .hc Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- twitt-me: @ricardopalmieri mobile# +551185833173 [memelab.com.br] [palm.estudiolivre.org] [myspace.com/livenoisetupi] [skype:palmieriricardo] [msn: ricardopalmi...@bol.com.br] [linux user # 392484] ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Are there alternative means of creating patches besides the graphical editor?
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 09:04:18AM +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: HI, Morgan Packard wrote: Hello there. I'm interested in using PD. However, as someone who spends a lot of time with code, I'm actually a little afraid of the learning curve involved with the graphical programming language! I'd be much more comfortable creating my patches using, for example, a Python tool. Does such a programmatic PD patch generation tool exist? I can't imagine I'm the first person who's wanted such a thing. People will probably point you to csound or supercollider for your first statement... Anyway the curve is not really so steep, dataflow is of course a slightly different mindset, although if you are skilled at coding that will nevertheless prove benefical. Regarding python, you might have a look at py/pyext [1]. I couldn't successfully have it setup in Ubuntu, because it is strongly tied to a particular python version. Something more 'flexible' IMHO would be nice, ideally running directly within pd would be really nice, even at the level of non-dsp abstractions to begin with (similarly to javscript in MAX)... But this doesn't seem to be of much interest currently. Lorenzo You can write plug-in scripts in Tcl/Tk. Since 0.43 there is an official way of loading them .. though Miller disregards this feature. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Are there alternative means of creating patches besides the graphical editor?
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Re: [PD] Are there alternative means of creating patches besides the graphical editor?
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 10:06:21AM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-02-03 09:37, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: You can write plug-in scripts in Tcl/Tk. Since 0.43 there is an official way of loading them .. though Miller disregards this feature. what makes you say something like that? do you really think, that anything that miller totally dislikes, will make it into pd-vanilla? sorry for not being very politically correct. When I asked Hans about what's heppening with the plugins, he said that Miller has an opinion about this feature to remain but no plugin code is being supplied in the git repository. I mean to say that this could be made a better feature, though it is not even advertised. perhaps there is just more work to be done to make the API usuable. Also, I think it would be quite streight forward to implement a gui-level simple [scrip] object .. it would be a kind of a fake object though and won't work without Tk gui ;( BUT making a Tk scriping fully avaliable for creating widgits would be really neat this way! fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1KcA0ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRt7ACgnPcX9WDflFm4znMe2ZZ5jkYS Ga4An1dtgc0LsY1zY2/5ajUfNewH7tuq =Cc1Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Are there alternative means of creating patches besides the graphical editor?
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 01:02:19PM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-02-03 12:18, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: sorry for not being very politically correct. When I asked Hans about what's heppening with the plugins, he said that Miller has an opinion about this feature to remain but no plugin code is being supplied in the git repository. hmm, but Pd also provides an API for creating external objects, and still there are virtually no externals in the git repository nor in the releases (virtually no as compared to the number of externals you find in the pure-data svn or in the Pd-extended releases) for me the entire idea about plugins is about not needing to distribute them with a small core applications. IOhannes, in any case I didn't mean to argue with you on this subject. I just thought that one who pulls git repo may want to see a simple plugin example (the key biddings example could a decent pick BTW). once again, I am sorry for spreading gossips ;( fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1KmUsACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRxqACcDYsvFYU7EFirT0Pqpy5iVM0E 1rIAoOHs5EvESLXJOlr3psqnrX/IA22D =v1XH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] question about clip and reverb
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:11:03PM +, Andy Farnell wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:34:08 +0100 IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/03/2011 01:39 PM, ronni montoya wrote: Hello, i like the distorsion effect that i get when i turn up the amplitude of a freeverb~ until it clips the signal. The sound is interesting but the problem is that since its clipping it affects all the other sound pd is generating. My question is: How can i replicate that distorsion effect in a way that it doesnt affect the others sounds? hey, try using softclip --[expr~ tanh($v1)] there many things you can do with this :)) you can try filtering and apply different distortions to different sections of the spectrum .. for exaple. The distortions you would get by overdriving [dac~] is probably quite basic really.. but you said that you were using [freeverb~] ? hm ..may be freeverb does some softclipping internally .. well, make sure that the effect appears with no other sound involved. e.g. what you are describing seems like you are saturating the [dac~]. now what you are sending to the dac is a sum of all signals, and this sum is then saturated (if the absolute sum of your signals is 1 and the sound-infrastructure you are using cannot handle floating point signals) The gotchya is that different sound systems handle 1(FSD) in differenmt ways. So using [clip~], although offering portable results, is sometimes not the same as overdriving the DAC. Symptom - you get a great sound that using [clip~] cannot substitute. But I learned that you must never rely on the results of overdriving an unknown system back when moving a piece written on a linux-ALSA 386 PC with a soundblaster card to a Mac with an external firewire sound interface - totally different sound. I never did discover exactly why, though I guess the signal, was finding its way into either signed or unsigned ints at different stages and getting wrapped or truncated in either case. The lesson is, make sure you get the sound exactly how you like with plenty of headroom to spare. therefore, the perceived effect depends on all signals sent to the dac. the solution is of course to make the effect happen without involving all signals and then scale it back so that the sum of all signals does not trigger another distortion. Is there a external that recreates that type of distorsion? no. you can do that with vanilla Pd objects, e.g. [clip~] Pd itself has plenty of objects to do most complicated stuff, often there is no need to resort to an external (otoh, even though you can do the requested thing with Pd-vanilla just fine, i'm sure that there is an external that does what you need) Maybe looking at some distortion techniques using table lookups might get you a similar sound. Oh, speaking f distortions ..it such a wide subject really .. I better go to bed before I get to excited! fgmsdrt IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0h0FAACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQjdgCdH1bjG5MGZq/8vpmNpWHeHpDF 56wAnjef7EkkTeXLPmW2DY5fBvLQnPp6 =pebv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] compiling Gstreamer
Have you tried editing pdgst.h ? may be just change '#error' to '#warnig' .. that would cause least harm :) On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 04:48:18PM +0100, Adrian Riffo wrote: Hi list! I try to compile Pdgst on a i386 32-bit Ubuntu 10.4 with Pd 42.5. I get this error ../include/pdgst/pdgst.h:64:3: error: #error need at least Pd 0.41 Would it be better to downgrade to 41.4? I'm trying to find the m_pd.h, to get the installation done. I wonder if it's linked to the Pd version. ../include/pdgst/pdgst.h:58:18: error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory Thanks and happy new year! -- adrian riffo 2 rue Vulpian 75013 paris 06.70.12.57.50 09.50.46.96.98 skype : adrian_kostia http://www.myspace.com/arghmusique FBook : adrian kostia riffo duvet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd openembedded beagleboard-demo-image
Greate to hear that vanilla compiles ok and starts up!! what version of GCC did you use? how floating point is handled ? have you tried using USB audion instead? I just had been looking at the Pandora Board, which uses 2-core Cortex-A9 with FPU, thing to get it soonish to run my pd WSN project (http://wmi.new-synth.info). On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:14:44AM -0800, mark gross wrote: I'm trying to get vanilla PD working on a beagle board using open embedded's angstrom-2010.x distro. I've hacked up a bit bake recipe (still a hack job) and the task-beagleboard-demo-image.bb to make a image that will actually run the PD GUI on a BB. My problem now is with the audio. I can't seem to get PD's audio + midi test to make any more than queuer counter noises. I've played with using OSS and Alsa, and disabling pulse from the build. aplay does play a 22050Hz mono-wave file. I get the following errors from PD when I attempt to run it as root: using OSS I get clicks from the test patch. Using Alsa I get a spike in cpu use and things get really sluggish. and I get -- tried but couldn't sync A/D/A ... I would like to get any debugging tips or advice possible to finish this project and post a howto (and perhaps add the puredata.bb recipe to OE) Thanks! --mark ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd openembedded beagleboard-demo-image
oops, it's in fact PANDA board, not pandora :))) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd refcards
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 06:39:31PM +, Pedro Lopes wrote: Very nice. We could make an open one an publish it somewhere more visible. If you want to share the source maybe people could modify it. I'd like to make a simpler version, with just the very basics. What do you define as 'very basics'? pd is already quite basic. Okay, may be midi, fft, raw filters and things like lists and as well perhaps tabsend, tabosc and other stuff can be placed on the second page .. 'Cause I just gave a tutorial yesterday, to a musician interested in pd, I'll forward the card to him. I think it makes quite a good synopsis of the whole class. Thanks for sharing, Best regards, Pedro On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karim Barkati digital...@online.fr wrote: Hi all, I just laid out a one-sided pd refcard for my students and I'd like to share it ;-) There's one in english and one in french, and I uploaded them on : http://puredata.info/docs/manuals/pdrefcards Cheers, Karim ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Liep?ja, Latvia (Was Re: Aix-en-Provence)
L0l, hm ..this wasn't meant to be posted here was it? I have been there too by the way, just once :) do they still have this media lab at an old stalin's age buiding, I think it was called Karosta .. Rember that in fact the day when I was there was when they had the votes for joining the EU. and that was indeed my first chance to vote which I missed very happily! On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 02:16:51PM +, Marco Donnarumma wrote: oo, Liepaja has a wonderful seashore and some huge hidden ruins of military bunkers... you should have had a walk around! (well, they also have one of the most creepy soviet style neighbourhood I ever saw) M I was teaching a Workshop in Liep?ja this week, students only as well. http://mplab.lv/iweek/index.php?lapa=workshops greetings, max Am 25.11.2010 um 14:43 schrieb Mathieu Bouchard: Btw, I am teaching PureData and GridFlow at Aix-en-Provence this week. It's reserved for students of the school, so, I didn't announce it, but it's just to say that it's happening. Total duration is between 20 and 30 hours long, approx. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: Signierter Teil der Nachricht URL: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20101126/e7cbb3bc/attachment-0001.pgp -- Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher Ongoing MSc by Research, University of Edinburgh, UK PORTFOLIO: http://marcodonnarumma.com LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Liep?ja, Latvia (Was Re: Aix-en-Provence)
Ah I can see it is in fact a reall discussion on pd-list. Heh, I like this list :) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD, Linux and USB multichannel interface
Most of USB audio devices out there are basic stereo in // stereo out and they can do up to 48kHz sampling rate. What you need is USB audio 2.0, which is firly recent, despite the fact that most of other USB devices use the capabilities of 2.0 standard, the audio products didn't catch up just yet. There very few implementation out there, if you find any thing decent - let every one know! I haven't looked it up very recently, so there may be something already :) The latest ALSA driver should have quite good support for it, I would advise you to browse ALSA dveloper's mailing list. for example I can see from back in August: [alsa-devel] Problem with USB Class 2 Audio Driver Good Luck, -- Ilya On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:42:51PM +0100, Carlo Benzi wrote: Hi! I have a question: is there a USB multichannel interface (for example 8 in - 8 out) running under ubuntustudio or studio64 (processor: Intel Pentium M 740 with 1 GB ram)? I'd like to buy it in order to use Pure Data with this equipment. Thanks a lot for your help! Best greetings Carlo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] multimedia performance in London nov 26
Hey, I would like to come and see it ;) Are based in Stanford? I'd be quite interested to find a team to work with on something theatrical ..based in London. Regards, -- Ilya On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 05:56:58AM -0700, Oded Ben-Tal wrote: I will be involved in this performance later this month. Much of the music for this is done with Pd interacting live with performers (musicians dancers). Ukiyo [Moveable World] a choreographic installation fusing dance, sound, design and digital projections ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
Hey ...great idea! i'll vote for London :) myself can help with a few things and there will be plenty of people around here who can join the local crew! On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 05:42:03PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: hey all, I just had an inspiring two weeks at DebConf (Debian Conference) here in NYC. Its really an impressive crew of people, and now we are on the fast track to getting lots of Pd libraries into Debian and therefore Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Knoppix, etc. So on that note, it got me thinking of the joy that is PdCon! There were two cities that I remember in the running to host the next PdCon: London and Weimar. Any word on that? I'm happy to help where I can. .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Layered Signal Processing and Transport Architecture
be good for lighting and other controll applications .. here is the place for GUI interfaces, hardware controllers, control surfaces ...etc ~ Signal Processing Subsystem (SPS) ~ Core Signal Bus (CSB) : our inter-connect it has one common clock one or more control ports and one or more signal ports (a port can be input, output, or both) the control ports are exposed to CMI layer the signal prorts can be: bridged (over Ethernet (i.e. AVB), USB or FireWire) interfaced (to say I2S, AES/EBU, AES-50 ..MADI, ADAT) or streamed to a codec or uncompressed file dumping Let's call it an Port Exposure Layer ~ Core Signal Elements (CSE) the main abstraction for this is library (our cross-platform API) compiler (to produce platform dependent code) interpreter (to configure and glue the blocks) ~ General Purpose Operating System Of course it is still there ..it could be on a remote machine or anything ..and it could be everywhere around, even General Purpose CPU could be a fall-back option ..well, this is all about abstraction after all :) This is with parallel audio clustering applications and distributed chain processing in mind. Looking forward to here some discussion, I would like to set up a wiki and discusion list for this! Regards, -- Ilya Dmitrichenko Илья Дмитриченко email: errordeveloper at gmail.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Layered Signal Processing and Transport Architecture
Sorry for being a little bit off-topic, but I would like here from everyone on this list as well as Miller himself, because MAX used to run on a DSP core (according to Wikipedia) This the message that i have posted to alsa-devel list yesturday: I have a proposal for this Layered Model, which would allow implementation of new audio interfaces with DSP cores, with cross-platform compatibility and audio networking in mind. it would be a sort of OSI for signal processing, but with some extra stuff to it, such as a common language (library) for hardware programming. it's not to replace ALSA, but just to bring a different approach for design engineers of professional audio applications. we all know that these days a lot manufactuares chose Linux for their Mixing Consoles (such as Midas, Lawo, Calrec and others), also other products use Linux, but there might be only a few who use ALSA (as far as i could find out there rather NONE in pro-audio Linux devices). Linux runs on devices such as Blackfin and OMAP, which have DSP cores, but the interface is device-specific, hence low-level. ALSA had been designed for conventional sound-cards (largely) also there drivers for RME, DigiGram and other pro-interfaces, but the hardware is still proprietary and it isn't quite flexible. The idea is to bring new concepts to the world, well not 100% new, but new in a way. One of these would be to implement an open-source audio processor interface of a kind. It would have configurable channel strips with (multi-band EQ and dynamics). Another motivating factor is upcomming completition of AVB ethernet standard from IETF/IEEE, there had been no publicaly avaliable code for this, nor i could find any discussions of how it could be implemented in Linux. However i have contact with a professor Richard Foss from Rhodes University, and there they have implemented a library and packet generator for AVB, though they haven't yet published this code. There also hasn't heppend any wide adoption of OSC, and may be OSC is not that great? I am currently working on Control and Monitoring Protocol which could take part in this architercture on it's TOP Layer. The fallowing are the ABSTRACTION layers that i have thought being most general: ~ Control, Monitoring and Information (CMI) ACMP (above mentioned above, it's kind of OSC-based) or AES-x170 (both can fit together) also OSC ..or even MIDI but ACMP is more general, it should be good for lighting and other controll applications .. here is the place for GUI interfaces, hardware controllers, control surfaces ...etc ~ Signal Processing Subsystem (SPS) ~ Core Signal Bus (CSB) : our inter-connect it has one common clock one or more control ports and one or more signal ports (a port can be input, output, or both) the control ports are exposed to CMI layer the signal prorts can be: bridged (over Ethernet (i.e. AVB), USB or FireWire) interfaced (to say I2S, AES/EBU, AES-50 ..MADI, ADAT) or streamed to a codec or uncompressed file dumping Let's call it an Port Exposure Layer ~ Core Signal Elements (CSE) the main abstraction for this is library (our cross-platform API) compiler (to produce platform dependent code) interpreter (to configure and glue the blocks) ~ General Purpose Operating System Of course it is still there ..it could be on a remote machine or anything ..and it could be everywhere around, even General Purpose CPU could be a fall-back option ..well, this is all about abstraction after all :) This is with parallel audio clustering applications and distributed chain processing in mind. Looking forward to here some discussion, I would like to set up a wiki and discusion list for this! Regards, -- Ilya Dmitrichenko Илья Дмитриченко email: errordeveloper at gmail.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] qpd-0v2 released (finally)
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 04:02:32PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Sounds cool, you could use this on the N900 phone for example. .hc sure thing! i was more interested in DirectFB (qt-embedded). i have to learn SVG widgets and ..QT-OpenGL too :)) Have you tried it, Hans? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd concert video
I like this one as well :) On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 01:38:01PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Nice! I like the mix of media, live guitar plus computer sound plus live visuals. The staging is well done too, it took me a little while to realize that you were being lit by the screen of your laptop. You were barely looking at it, so its a clever way to keep the laptop there yet not make it a typical staring-at-the-screen laptop performance. I did find a bit distracting when you did press the keys on the laptop tho, it took the focus away from you and the doll a bit. You should post a video of the whole performance, if you have it. .hc On Jul 11, 2010, at 8:53 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hi all, I've uploaded some excerpts of a piece I performed last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkzYT0HVjG4 Nothing fascinating going on, especially in terms of DSP business, but I was quite fascinated to try out myself what a single laptop can manage nowadays. -- David Shimamoto ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] qpd-0v2 released (finally)
Hi pd-list, so i finally got around cleaning up and releasing the qpd code on github. so please see it on: http://github.com/errordeveloper/qpd or just: `git clone git://github.com/errordeveloper/qpd.git` there is now a README file and it should all work. * What is qpd for? If you wanna build a little app in QT Creator IDE to send control parameters to Pure Data and use [netreceive]---[route x xx xxx]-- it uses TCP btw ..if you don't like it, send me a patch to change from TCP to UDP if you get around to do it, better use a command line switch in the app. i would like to test it with QT-embedded using DirectFB .. i still didn't get that setup ..so then we can make full screen embedded linux touchpanels running pd with GUI ;) Cheers Everyone, -- Ilya д. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] qpd-0v2 released (finally)
Thanx Pedro, i hope you will find it usefull :) On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:37:45PM +0100, Pedro Lopes wrote: Nice project! I'll giv it a go... always looking for interfaces for pd :) On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:33 PM, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi pd-list, so i finally got around cleaning up and releasing the qpd code on github. so please see it on: http://github.com/errordeveloper/qpd or just: `git clone git://github.com/errordeveloper/qpd.git`http://github.com/errordeveloper/qpd.git%60 there is now a README file and it should all work. * What is qpd for? If you wanna build a little app in QT Creator IDE to send control parameters to Pure Data and use [netreceive]---[route x xx xxx]-- it uses TCP btw ..if you don't like it, send me a patch to change from TCP to UDP if you get around to do it, better use a command line switch in the app. i would like to test it with QT-embedded using DirectFB .. i still didn't get that setup ..so then we can make full screen embedded linux touchpanels running pd with GUI ;) Cheers Everyone, -- Ilya д. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (ongoing MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on n900
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 04:40:12PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I have Pd-anywhere running on my N810. There were some people in the recent past trying with the N900, check the archives. Pd-vanilla should run on the N900. does n900 omap chip have vfp or fpu ? .hc On Jul 2, 2010, at 4:30 AM, atuc wrote: hallo, has anybody tried to run pda on the nokia n900? any experiences with it? thanks, alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] thoughts on Pd's networking framework
well .. antennas are important btw .. but check how many networks are there in the area, then if you could find what channels they use try to use a channel with least number of networks ;) but if you still don't get it ..then something is crap. also try to setup a network between two machines ..but why do you need wireless anyway? it's not good for this application .. if you really wanna use it - try to disable all posible clients (make 300% sure that there is nothing going on the network appart form you pd thing). and as i've said - check for noise .. and may be try with bigger antennas ;) On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:51:09PM -0400, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: So, we've tried to do a series of tests using tcpserver/client as well as netserver/client and found the following: Using either off-the-shelf wifi hardware or an industrial strength wifi router (in our case Cisco), we get unexpected lag spikes on local WLAN with 16 clients at times even exceeding 2 seconds for some of the clients. Network connection in these tests was unencrypted. Packets tested were small to medium using both UDP and TCP (from a single number, up to a sentence, plus a couple numbers). When using off-the-shelf router we even had clients drop connections to the router in a high-traffic context. By using an industry strength router these took much longer to occur (but have still nonetheless occurred). So, with the router being less likely of a culprit I am wondering what is causing these spikes? Without looking closely at Pd's network code one suggested culprit by a CS colleague might be how Pd reuses ports and a possibility of it starving the router. Is this possible? The problem is apparent when sending sporadic TCP packets to all 16 machines as well as when using both UDP and TCP connections. One last thought is whether there might be something on the router settings that would make this an issue in both cases. Any thoughts on this would be most appreciated. Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound Intermedia Studio Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy) Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) i...@vt.edu http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/bukvic/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] AES 128 London (this weekend)
Hello lists (sorry for cross-posting), is anyone going to attend AES conevetion this weekend in London? let me know ..may be we could meet up! Cheers, -- Ilya .d ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode
Oh, i've been looking for this kid of thing for a while! the only problem is that i still haven't got GEM installed ..(( i should sort it out :%) On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:12:04PM +0200, Lorenzo wrote: Ok I thought I'd share this anyway and I think it fits well here. What I've lately been experimenting with is using GEM for 'gui'... and of course gem can go full screen... Some of the ideas so fare here: http://lorenzosu.altervista.org/pd/gem%20gui/ Lorenzo. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 01:43:19PM +0200, Andre Osku Schmidt wrote: On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 11:29 +0100, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: well ..SVG could be nice, but i haven't yet figure how to do it in QT in nice a streight forward way. but there some really nice svg widget example on the Nokia's website :) you mean these ? http://qt.nokia.com/developer/embedded-widget-demos yes, that would be nice. but the last time i looked i couldn't figure out neither how to do own svg widgets. but im no coder anyway ;) yeah ..me neither ..i need to learn the qt svg stuff ..)) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 04:53:46PM +0200, Jordi Sala wrote: All it's ok! The problem with the .h file was that make creates a link to the original .h file, but the path is absolute, so it targets to your home in your computer. i knew this one :) bloody typical! Now I have installed some missed libraries in my qtcreator, and it connects to the pd perfect. I'm going to do some test,... that's excellent! :)) very happy to hear this :) you see the thing with qt is that it's extreamly portable! i bet we can run this on N900 and symbian nokias as well and any other os/arch where qt had been ported to! i still didn't figure qt-embedded ..then we can use DirectFB (i.e. fullscreen GUI without Xserver!! and with driver that uses the graphics adapter with some accelleration capabilities too) i got qt-embedded installed but still didn't manage to run the demo apps ;( also getting OpenGL widgets could be really nice .. because i found the QT sliders and all that stuff quite limiting in terms how BORING the GUI could look like if you have a whole lot of these things ..( and at some point it doesn't even fit on the screen 17 screen ..very sad :((( On 23 April 2010 15:27, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 01:43:19PM +0200, Andre Osku Schmidt wrote: On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 11:29 +0100, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: well ..SVG could be nice, but i haven't yet figure how to do it in QT in nice a streight forward way. but there some really nice svg widget example on the Nokia's website :) you mean these ? http://qt.nokia.com/developer/embedded-widget-demos yes, that would be nice. but the last time i looked i couldn't figure out neither how to do own svg widgets. but im no coder anyway ;) yeah ..me neither ..i need to learn the qt svg stuff ..)) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Jordi Sala http://musa.poperbu.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gui devel idea: kiosk mode
i think it's probably better to do this via a msg so basically there would be commands like: gui-hide-menu gui-hide-scrollbar gui-hide- ... gui-canvas-fullscreen gui-hide-decortion so basically you can put this into a subpatch and loadbang whichever one you need ;) may it's better to implement this via gui object which you would send msgs to .. [hide-canvas( | | [gui] or we do this kind of stylie: [; pd-gui command( ? i'm not sure which way is more practical .. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 09:57:51PM +0200, András Murányi wrote: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:01 PM, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, just had a thought for a gui development: a runtime mode, feasible for demos or finished applications where the user only gets presented with the finished program, and no menus. In opera it's called kiosk mode ( http://www.opera.com/support/mastering/kiosk/): all the menus are hidden, and the user should only interact with the program. It doesn't have to go as far as opera's mode (and disable key shortcuts), but if it's not complicated, a presentation mode could be nice for patch showcase, finished performance patches or tools, ... As far as I imagine, some simple options might be enough: - hide menus - hide window lane - hide borders - fullscreen mode Best, João Sounds good! Seems this is not supported in Tcl/Tk 8.3 but from 8.4 up it is. Which, according to current 'policy', predestines it to be a plugin (?), actually a very simple one. Shall be bind to F11! Provided this fullscreen feature, (how) do want to be able to scroll the canvas? I suppose we just keep the scrollbars...? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Zen Garden re-implementing the wheel in C++?
I think that using [throw~]/[catch~] and [s~]/[r~] can do the job really ..i'm not sure what are you trying to archieve but i hope you get my idea .. also, can someone tell if sending or throwing signals adds any processing overhead? On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:24:14AM +0100, Andy Farnell wrote: Yes. This was a design goal from early on. A dynamically rewritable signal graph is quite essential to advanced procedural audio. On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:04:09 +0200 Tim Blechmann t...@klingt.org wrote: I'm excited about the idea of a more object-oriented approach, and especially with the idea of ditching all the Tk/Tcl garbage, but I don't really see the utility of re-implementing all the DSP graph code. depending on their implementation, it may be possible to do click-free changes of the dsp graph, which is the weakest part of the dsp engine of pd. from my understanding impossible to fully eliminate audio dropouts when changing max-like signal graph, since the implicit resource access order may change, depending on the use case. tim -- t...@klingt.org http://tim.klingt.org After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say I want to see the manager. William S. Burroughs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- --- Sent from my 3 (http://three.co.uk) mobile broadband Third world internet for a first world economy. * 20 bytes/second * 99% packet loss * 60 second latency All for only £20/month (Odious and predatory terms apply) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] networking with Pd (was Re: (no subject))
ALSA library is capable to do that for you, look in aseqnet(1) manpage. i haven't had a chance to use it yet myself.. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 09:05:29PM -0300, Ariane stolfi wrote: Hi, just another question in this subject, what do you sugest for sending midi values between two computers through ethernet? tnx ariane 2010/4/13 Andrew Faraday jbtur...@hotmail.com: Thanks, folks, there's a lot to think about there. Another workshop this evening, so we'll see what we find most useful. Yeah, the lack of a subject was a sheer accident on my part. Cheers Andrew Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:29:37 +0200 From: zmoel...@iem.at CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: [PD] networking with Pd (was Re: (no subject)) is there a reason for omitting the subject? On 2010-04-12 21:11, Paulo Casaes wrote: netsend and netreceive can send any type of message. You should look into OSC for your needs. well afaics, OSC doesn't give you any advantage with the original problems. the problem seems to be related to Pd's messages rather than the net-objects (e.g. [blu( - [send val1 $1( won't work, but if you use [symbol blu( it will; see the Pd-documentation and the list archives for why this is so) In a related question, what is the difference between netsend and sendOSC? #0 i don't know whether i have said this before, but just in case: [sendOSC] is unmaintained and buggy, and i would suggest to not use it. use mrpeach's [packOSC] and [udpsend] instead. #1 they are different objects; [netsend] uses FUDI (which looks just like Pd-messages) as the application layer protocol, whereas [sendOSC] oses OSC Can netsend and netreceive be used for OSC? no. they are different, non-compatible application layer protocols (OSC uses binary data enriched with meta-data, whereas Pd's FUDI is plain text with a special meaning of semicolon) you can probably construct an OSC-message that is parseable as a FUDI message and vice-versa, but nothing that i would use. fgmasr IOhannes Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. Sign-up now. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] networking with Pd (was Re: (no subject))
metronome broadcast msg is interesting .. so you are using netserver/client to do that? can you go into some advanced networking with these couple? On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 12:35:07PM +0100, Andrew Faraday wrote: Hey all Out of all that, [netserver] and [netclient] won over, we're working on a couple of abstractions for network conducting including metronome, broadcast messenger and a universal volume modifier. If anyone's interested I can make these available once tested and let you know about the experiences. Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:43:57 +0100 From: errordevelo...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] networking with Pd (was Re: (no subject)) ALSA library is capable to do that for you, look in aseqnet(1) manpage. i haven't had a chance to use it yet myself.. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 09:05:29PM -0300, Ariane stolfi wrote: Hi, just another question in this subject, what do you sugest for sending midi values between two computers through ethernet? tnx ariane 2010/4/13 Andrew Faraday jbtur...@hotmail.com: Thanks, folks, there's a lot to think about there. Another workshop this evening, so we'll see what we find most useful. Yeah, the lack of a subject was a sheer accident on my part. Cheers Andrew Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:29:37 +0200 From: zmoel...@iem.at CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: [PD] networking with Pd (was Re: (no subject)) is there a reason for omitting the subject? On 2010-04-12 21:11, Paulo Casaes wrote: netsend and netreceive can send any type of message. You should look into OSC for your needs. well afaics, OSC doesn't give you any advantage with the original problems. the problem seems to be related to Pd's messages rather than the net-objects (e.g. [blu( - [send val1 $1( won't work, but if you use [symbol blu( it will; see the Pd-documentation and the list archives for why this is so) In a related question, what is the difference between netsend and sendOSC? #0 i don't know whether i have said this before, but just in case: [sendOSC] is unmaintained and buggy, and i would suggest to not use it. use mrpeach's [packOSC] and [udpsend] instead. #1 they are different objects; [netsend] uses FUDI (which looks just like Pd-messages) as the application layer protocol, whereas [sendOSC] oses OSC Can netsend and netreceive be used for OSC? no. they are different, non-compatible application layer protocols (OSC uses binary data enriched with meta-data, whereas Pd's FUDI is plain text with a special meaning of semicolon) you can probably construct an OSC-message that is parseable as a FUDI message and vice-versa, but nothing that i would use. fgmasr IOhannes Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. Sign-up now. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Twitter?
My answer is NO, there is nothing twitterly exciting for you. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 12:15:40PM -0700, Jerome Covington wrote: Any recommendations on Twitter users to follow who are doing/trending exciting work in audio development? -- Regards, Jerome Covington . . . . : . . . . : define audio development ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] any mac OS terminal experts?
Dan, i am sorry but your function { } business is teribly misleading!
it's gust alias pd=/path/to/app/bin/pd that anyone would ever need ..
well, do you wanna go like:
PD=//Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
THIS_COULD_BE_THE_ONLY_REASON_WHY_WE_NEED_IT=$MY_ERRORNO_CMD_NOT_FOUND
function pd {
if [ -x $PD ] then
`dirname $PD`/`basename pd`
else
echo COMMAND NOT FOUND, this is a redundant msg!
exit $THIS_COULD_BE_THE_ONLY_REASON_WHY_WE_NEED_IT
}
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 07:57:26PM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
On Mar 25, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Andrew Faraday wrote:
Hey All
I've recently started learning Ruby (on Ubuntu 9.04), part of what I'm
trying to do is control PD through ruby, using the terminal.
The main trouble I'm having now is that I'm mostly using a Mac OS X machine
which doesn't recognize the 'pdsend' and 'pdreceive' commands (as the linux
shell does). I've tried opening the files with these names in
/resources/bin which open a new terminal window and display what looks like
the relevant -help text. But I can't seem to use these to send messages to
and from pd from the Mac OS terminal. (in theory I could then automate this
with Ruby).
Any ideas, at all?
I had the same issue when trying to use some scripts I made in Linux with pd.
I solved it by adding some function wrappers to my ~/.bash_profile:
# pd commandline
function pd {
/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd $@;
}
export -f pd
function pdsend {
/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pdsend $@;
}
export -f pdsend
Make sure to restart the terminal session for it to take effect.
Dan Wilcox
danomatika.com
robotcowboy.com
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Re: [PD] PD_FLOATYPE=double
ok ..so there should be no output issues, just the ugen's need to be implemented, rigth? IOhannes, could you give a brief idea on what porting to double float is generally about? i suppose there should be some generic patern, right? i would consider trying to crack on with this ..if it's just a boring job with a lot of testing etc.. as my experience is quite little so far. also from what i can figure there is a little dilema - weather we should make all object to use any float size OR just work around what to do if the size is double ..hm, what if in a short time we would need bigger floats for some crazy reason.. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 05:13:55PM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2010-03-17 16:33, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: or [osc~] is all we got working with doubles so far?? i guess most of the double-precision code is still the one i wrote. which means, that the lookup-table generators (phasor~, cos~, osc~) are not implemented at all. soundfiles should work though. masdrt IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PD_FLOATYPE=double
Hello Miller and everyone on the list! i have finally got around testing pd compiled to use double precision floats.. what i did was this: pulled the sources from miller's git repo, in fact i didn't realise there was a master tree like this! (if i understand it correct it's the current version repository? the version that i can see in Help-About is reported to be 0.42.5 or may be it's .42.5+ ? please correct me on that ..) so i just used `env CFLAGS=-pipe -O2 -march=athlon64 -DPD_FLOATTYPE=double' ./configure` CFLAGS=-pipe -O2 -march=athlon64 is what i always use ..tought all versions of pd i have compiled before were compiled with this CFLAGS. then `make all` whent fine, but failed to compile sigmund~, that's ok as haven't used sigmund~ yet ..)) then i ran pd and tryied the testtone.pd ..and that's what was weired - it output noise+sine ..hm maybe to do with conversion ..i use RME Hammerfall card .. so there is conversion heppening somewhere .. ok, made another patch, basica [osc~ 200]--[dac~ 1] and that gave DC into the soundcard. using number-[osc~] WORKED and number-[vline~]-[osc~] DID NOT..(( cannot tell if that was a pure sine for 100%, but somewhere most likely pure :) so trying to use a phasor~ seems to be failing too .. has anyone else tested this propertly? as Miller says in CHANGES.txt: 0.42.0 changed definition of t_float, t_sample, t_floatarg so that they can be set via #defines (PD_FLOATTYPE, etc). ..hm what does etc mean?? maybe i need to define something extra? or [osc~] is all we got working with doubles so far?? well, i checked again ..and it's actually not that near to a sinewave ..it's got some harmonics ..hm i can test anything else ..but there is a general issue to be resolved. can anyone help? it would be very nice to get this working ..hopefully 64bit DAC's are not to far from the general public market :) oh, i forgot to give some details: gcc (Gentoo 4.3.4 p1.1, pie-10.1.5) 4.3.4 so basically i am on gentoo, it's a current stable branch ..sort of but i think it doesn't matter really..it's to do with general porting i reckon! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
Hans, that's excellent! i was quite curious how kids could react to pd .. hm ..i'd love to do some pd tutorials one day, and yeah i was thinking about kids as well! the only thing is that i couldn't check the video - i still don't have sound working in flash with my soundcard setup ;( may be you have the video somewhere else? abby/cclive doesn't support blip.tv and i tried videosnag.com ..but it didn't do anything .. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:56:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New York. It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to experiment: http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design .hc Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] object that receives print to console messages
i would suggest you to use udev rules, it is quite easy.
for example here is a line i used for arduino to appear as
/dev/arduino_SERIALNO:
KERNEL==ttyUSB*, SUBSYSTEMS==usb, ATTRS{product}==FT232R USB UART,
ATTRS{idProduct}==6001, ATTRS{idVendor}==0403,
SYMLINK+=arduino.port%n arduino_$attr{serial}
arduino_$attr{serial}.port%n,
RUN+=/bin/stty --file=/dev/arduino_$attr{serial}.port%n
if i remeber correct [hid] wants the minor numbers, right?
read some udev rules example and you will figure ..if you are really in
trouble - give us a shout.
hint: use `udevadm control --reload-rules` after you add or modified
something in /etc/udev/rules.d/
(btw, this the new udev command syntax, they keep changing it ..
the older one was like --reload_rules and before it was something else
too ;) so beware! )
so using udev rules the particular device will always have the same
symlink in /dev/. it up to you what you wanna name it ..
Hi,
does anybody know if I can receive the stdout that prints to the pd console?
I am trying to get the ID number of an hid gamecontroller / joystick
automatically at startup. I tried sending dmesg | grep Joystick to the
shell object which gives me the hidraw ID but not the one that Pd uses.
[print( - [hid] gives me the correct IDs but I don't know how to get these
into pd.
Alternatively I could use the hidraw ID if I would know how to open the
[hid] device with that ID.
Any help appreciated!
Ingo
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Re: [PD] -nogui and dsp loadbang breaks audio
may be you could send a specific msg to pd (from within patch) specifying the audio API to use .. looks like pd defaults to OSS in every posible way you cannot even attempt to ./configure --without-oss so i think you should be able to set the API within a patch and then turn the dsp on. anyway it's what you want to be sure that you are using that particular alsa device. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:16:58PM +, Florian Hollerweger wrote: Hi Hans, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think I got it to work by putting a [delay 1000] between the [loadbang] and the [; pd dsp 1( Thanks for your help; I have actually just come up with the same workaround, but I was wondering whether there might be a less hacky solution (especially since for my application a rapid startup time is somewhat critical). Anyone else? best, flo.H On Jan 27, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Florian Hollerweger wrote: For pd -nogui mypatch.pd I get a /dev/dsp (read/write): Device or resource busy [...] audio I/O stuck... closing audio if, and only if, mypatch.pd contains a [loadbang] | [; pd dsp 1 The same patch loads fine if I omit the -nogui flag. The problem can not only be produced by loadbanging the DSP, but also like this: pd -nogui -send pd dsp 1 mypatch.pd The problem can *not* be solved by specifying further flags such as -alsa -r 44100 -audiodev [...] as suggested at [1], [2] and possibly elsewhere. The only workaround for me so far is to turn on the DSP later using a message from pdsend to [netreceive]. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ppc/linux build issues..
hm .. it looks like you should try with GCC 4.3 or .2, 4.4.x is to recent ;) also, if no chances with getting different gcc version - try --without-alsa so it can skip that bit ;) if everything goes ok after make clean ./configure --without-alsa then there could be two things to fix it: a) may be recompile alsa with the new gcc first b) if still get this error - look into s_audio_alsa.c good luck ..)) On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 03:48:47AM +1000, dmotd wrote: hi there.. running linux on a powerpc (old powerbook g4), pd-0.42-5 fails to compile (success with older pd-0.41-1, failure with pd-gui-rewrite). any clues? error follows: --- $ make cc -g -O2 -DPD -Wall -W -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -DDL_OPEN -DPA_USE_OSS -DUNIX -DUNISTD-DUSEAPI_OSS -fno-strict-aliasing -DPA_USE_ALSA -DUSEAPI_ALSA -O6 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -DINSTALL_PREFIX=\/usr/local\ -c -o ../obj/s_audio_alsa.o s_audio_alsa.c s_audio_alsa.c: In function ‘alsa_send_dacs’: s_audio_alsa.c:472: error: called object ‘stderr’ is not a function s_audio_alsa.c:472: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘;’ token s_audio_alsa.c:474: error: too few arguments to function ‘fprintf’ s_audio_alsa.c:474: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘}’ token s_audio_alsa.c:584: error: called object ‘stderr’ is not a function s_audio_alsa.c:584: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘;’ token s_audio_alsa.c:586: error: too few arguments to function ‘fprintf’ s_audio_alsa.c:586: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘}’ token make: *** [s_audio_alsa.o] Error 1 --- $ gcc -v Using built-in specs. Target: powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++,ada --enable-threads=posix --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-multilib --libdir=/usr/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --enable-clocale=gnu --disable-libstdcxx-pch --with-tune=powerpc --with-cpu=powerpc --disable-altivec --without-altivec Thread model: posix gcc version 4.4.2 (GCC) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] hosting
Hello Fabio, it could be fabulous to get have a stand-alone host for pd community could be great! then we could have it as central SVN (or may be even bazar?) independent from sf.net ;) and some pretty web interface with some documentation and comments on how the abstractions and externals are actually working @:) basically SVN web-vier with discussion etc .. ;) also various projects could make their oun page too ;}~ On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 04:51:20PM +0100, mbutubuntu wrote: Hello folks, I'm Fabio Buda and I recently started to work with hosting; I support OpenSource and FreeSoftware and I'm offering free hosting+DB services to opensource projects or communities, are puredata community interested in it? Best Regards, Fabio Buda +39 338 9423302 http://www.netd.it ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] a little phenomenon ..
Hello Miller and the pd-list, i have just felt like this is a bit of a discovery, i will accept bricks thrown at me, but i doubt that is gonna happend. i am not very sure ..may be this is purely a personal discovery, but it doesn't feel like a personal one. this was really sudden and ..basically you can see the patch in the attachment. when you use it as an abstraction you have to stick a filter after it, otherwise something might blow. so this gives us a very interesting unit generator which i'm right in a middle (expect we are still terribly long way to the actual middle) of observing of what it can do :) i didn't mean that it can launch rockets, but the energy is all being transfered ..well, i'm not too sure, basicallt i'm trying to talk about that the tangent function goes up to infinity, and if we flat that down it's like an infinite energy that we are getting form it. oops, sorry i have actually put [/~ 0.5] and that's why it was blowing my headphones and seemed to have too much energy! hell.. anyway this seems to be quite a nice ugen, isn't it? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] little phenomenon ..oops, i forgot to attach the patch!
#N canvas 0 0 1010 735 10; #X obj 73 131 sig~ 1; #X obj 73 192 /~; #X obj 120 177 osc~; #X obj 73 228 expr~ tanh($v1); #X obj 119 91 inlet~; #X obj 73 299 outlet~; #X obj 141 107 inlet; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 1 0 3 0; #X connect 2 0 1 1; #X connect 3 0 5 0; #X connect 4 0 2 0; #X connect 6 0 2 1; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:18:54AM -0500, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: The point of looking into the netbook was as an affordable piece of hardware that wouldn't cost me as much to replace if it got busted up / stolen at a show. If I was looking to find the optimal system I would, of course, be looking elsewhere. ah ..well but may be you could apply other techniques of theft prevention - like make it look on so shiny - i mean put stickers all over the place .. You don't think GEM will run on a netbook? Even if it's got an independent graphics card (of course, that kinda squashes the cheap factor) ? Also, do you have any experience using GEM or are you just hating? Sorry, have to ask. Since you didn't actually offer any advice in your response I just don't know. -Ben no, i'm really quite an audio person, but i know how much the graphics take. there such accelerated video cards that you can plug exteranly - those machines (like accer one or eeepc) don't have anything apart from usb (!) my friend got a decent laptop for graphics (live vj'ing he does) and that costed hi over a thousand quid (may be even 1500something). the brand is ROCK (they are no so famoust but apparently very good) that has got like 1024meg of video ram ;) you probaly don't need to get something like that unless you really can aford it ;) may be you could instead get a cheapish pc (like mini- or pico- ATX) and install good pic-express graphics card in that .. also you can make a case like these ones - http://audiopint.org/ that would prevent it from being stolen (presuming that the duedes are particularly after lappies and such stuff that looks good for a quick dodgy sale). yeah.. cause if you consider any other laptop capable for that graphics stuff, you'd have to go for a big fancy machine (like a one which would suite a gamer), and that is obviously the winner from the point of view of the thiefs! also keep in mind that good graphics need more power and better cooling :) this looks quite good - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4076168220.html i do look at small boards lately, but the market is too rapid and i'm not buying one now.. i plan to make some machines like the audiopint dude did ;) cheers, hope this helps, -- ilya d. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:58:54AM -0500, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: I currently use a Macbook (OS 10.5) for all my PD patching. However, as I am primarily focused on using GEM for live video performance alongside musical groups, I am thinking about getting a second laptop for performances (to keep my Macbook safe). I'm thinking of getting an Acer Aspire One netbook running linux. better install a popular distro instead of the Linpus thing which acer ships ;) I'd like to know the pros and cons of this. -Will swapping patches between Mac OS and Linux be a problem (I'm guessing no, but I figured I'd ask)? -I've heard of some problems with VGA out on Linux laptops, is this going to be an issue? what is that about? -Does the netbook have enough processing power for general GEM applications? I'm usually not dealing with video files, but rather particle generation, shape manipulation, GIF texturing, and audio-response. On my Macbook (2.0 GHz intel processor) the CPU meter always shows below 50% usage (of course, that's not to say that it doesn't freeze up and boot me out sometimes). none of them netbooks will cope with that stuff! why did you think of a such low-end machine for such a task?!? -Are there any other issues that you think of given this scenario? and if so, what other affordable/really-cheap laptops are there out there that I can run linux on? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pdtoblender
hi me too .. i just started to study blender .. to get to interact with pd is a brilliant idea - i was thinking of 3d visual interfaces to some syhnths would be great! did you make any progerss with pd+blender since that post? i'm quite keen on python ..but seems like it's not very pyhtonie stuff that .. cheers, please keep in touch! -- ilya .d On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:26:25PM +0200, patrice colet wrote: Hi, I started to learn to use Blender for controlling it with puredata with OSC protocol, I would have been glad to use gamelogic sockets instead but it's poorly documented and OSC seems more useful in huge project implementations Welcome to any kind of comment instructions are into blend file ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [OT] [DMRN-LIST] Unlocking Audio 2 conference: registration call for papers
i just found this, i think it might be quite revelant ;) - Forwarded message from Ranft, Richard richard.ra...@bl.uk - Message-ID: 91d70a46a0bdc940ab24eb675947c89601eed...@w2k3-lonex2.ad.bl.uk The British Library will be pleased to welcome your participation at Unlocking Audio 2: Connecting With Listeners 16-17 March 2009, The British Library Conference Centre, London NW1 http://www.bl.uk/unlockingaudio www.bl.uk/unlockingaudio Supported by the Joint Information Systems Committee celebrating the successful end of the 2nd http://sounds.bl.uk/ Archival Sound Recordings project Keynotes by http://www.charlesleadbeater.net/home.aspx Charles Leadbeater (a leading authority on innovation and creativity in organisations) and http://www.eduserv.org.uk/foundation/people/andypowell/ Andy Powell (Head of Development at the Eduserv Foundation) This conference is a key event exploring the use of sound recordings online, focussing on ways that researchers and other audiences expect to discover, browse, audition and analyse archival audio resources. It will be of interest to: · content owners · academics students · service providers · user groups · resource managers · system integrators · designers and implementers of search content analysis tools Important dates Deadline for abstracts12:00 hours GMT on 12 December 2008 Deadline for early registration 12:00 hours GMT on 19 December 2008 Deadline for late registration 12:00 hours GMT on 16 February 2009 Conference dates 6-17 March 2009 Call for papers and registration Please visit the conference website: http://www.bl.uk/unlockingaudio www.bl.uk/unlockingaudio (authorised blogging tag: unlockingaudio) Contact details: Alison Faraday, Unlocking Audio The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB United Kingdom Fax: +44 (0)207 412 7441 Email: mailto:unlockingau...@bl.uk unlockingau...@bl.uk ** Experience the British Library online at www.bl.uk The British Library's new interactive Annual Report and Accounts 2007/08 : www.bl.uk/knowledge Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. Adopt a Book. www.bl.uk/adoptabook The Library's St Pancras site is WiFi - enabled * The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the postmas...@bl.uk : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the British Library. The British Library does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. * - End forwarded message - ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [Openlab] London Patching Circles - 25/01/09
i just put my name down ;) see you there! cheers, -- ilya .d On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:57:51PM +, Rob Canning wrote: Ed Kelly wrote: 25th is good for me. i am going to confirm the 25th as fixed if we are using deckspace ie. i will be there on the 25th and can buzz people in I#ve been out of the loop for a bit - where are we meeting? http://dek.spc.org http://dek.spc.org/views.html if its =12 people - otherwise we will find somewhere else its important that people sign up on the wiki as its not a officially a public space and we know what to plan http://puredata.info/community/DeckSpace so far we only have 2 people signed up i think there is more interest than that... if you dont know how to use a wiki just email me and i'll stick your name down but really... ;) rob c ciao, ed Lone Shark: Synchromatic: Out December 1st 2008 http://www.pyramidtransmissions.com/store Also available through the iTunes store --- On Thu, 8/1/09, Claude Heiland-Allen claudiusmaxi...@goto10.org wrote: From: Claude Heiland-Allen claudiusmaxi...@goto10.org Subject: Re: [Openlab] London Patching Circles - 25/01/09 To: openlab open...@lists.pawfal.org Date: Thursday, 8 January, 2009, 1:23 PM Chris McCormick wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:14 PM, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: Let's do it on Sun 25th, mayb? generally that weekend 23,24,25 is good, isn't it? On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 05:27:47PM +, Robert Munro wrote: i could make it then. bring it on!! ditto! me too -- Claude ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] saxophone/truphet/trabone -LIKE sound in pd
hi i'd like to make a synth which would sound quite like the metal wind-blown instruments .. unfortunatly i haven't got Perry Cook's book handy, i had from the library before, but now .. has anyone done any of similar stuff in pd? my project is not about making the same sound and/or simulate the instruments, but just make a synth which would have some similar sound character, i mean something that wouldn't just remind the instrument sound (like some cheap old kidies synthie could //) more like a sax put through some spacy effects is what i'm looking for! cheers, happy patching! -- ilya ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.42-0 released
hello Miller, could you please tell us a bit more about -batch mode..? you said it will run faster, right? so we can use for processing or generating soundfiles quicker then it takes in real .. does it imply -nogui as well? may be someone who knows the best use for them could write an article with examples.. i'm still really quite in doubt about -guicmd and -guiport .. but i kindda have some idea what could be done with it but unsure will it work, cuase something that i tried so far didn't quite work. cheers, -- ilya ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] London Patching Circles - 25/01/09
Hi. fallowing earlier discussion .. Let's do it on Sun 25th, mayb? it seems that should be alright, we still have 3 weeks to prepere and looking at the dates all of you guys mentioned when you gonna be away it looks like generally that weekend 23,24,25 is good, isn't it? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] patching circle in London ? WHEN?
hi. so when do you guys think we shall do it? should we just put a date ..and adjust everything to that? cheers, -- ilya .d ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] patching circle in London ?
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:41:54PM +, Solen Music wrote: cool. i can bring a pair of akg 414's if they're any use? yeah, that'd be good to have ;) we also have a recording studio well covered in acuostic foam, so recording something in there is possible too ;) 2008/11/19 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:44:09PM +, Rob Canning wrote: Solen Music wrote: i'm down for it too. based in bow. will be going back to ireland from 19th dec but any other time is good for me.\ ok .. i was thinking about mid-december .. irish in north east london? me too :) should i register with the wiki and join the members or will this post suffice? makes sense to write on the wiki so we can keep track of things centrally without having to use too much brain power. i reckon that that wiki memebr list is optional, you can get on the list if want to ..just in case if you wanna be contacted or whatever ..we not aming to track evry one! we will just have to post a list of people on the malinglist to get the right number of how many of us are gonna be there ;) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- John http://www.myspace.com/solenband ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] trigger: [t b 1 2]
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 05:48:45PM +0100, Damian Stewart wrote: hey, i find myself often repeating a construct like this: [t b a] | | [1 ( ... | why don't you just make some handy abstraction ? now, the last time i was using Max, i noticed that Max's trigger object allows you to go [t 1 a] and the left outlet will send out the number 1. or even: [t reset a] and the left outlet sends out the message 'reset'. this seems to me like an extremely handy feature, so if it gets the blessings of the list(s) i'd like to go and implement it and submit a patch. what do folks think of this? i know there was some discussion a year or two ago, talking about how you should only be using the 'bang' and 'anything' keywords with trigger and not using it as a type-bashing object. not sure what came of that though... chur d -- damian stewart | skype: damiansnz | [EMAIL PROTECTED] frey | live art with machines | http://www.frey.co.nz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [Openlab] patching circle in London ?
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 03:27:19PM +, evan.raskob [lists] wrote: It would be cool to keep this stuff on-list, as I for one) don't really follow the Max or Pd lists much anymore, even though I do more Max/Pd projects than ever. Cheers Evan sure ;) also guys, .. there is the wiki page on puredata.info, may be add something to it. i have said there that i got a 14channel AH mixer +some cables. i think i can sort out some other audio equipment (gat some speakers and mics of a my mates).. it's easy if we do it at my place but otherwise i'll need to get transport (to bring speakers, but the mixer fits in my bag). If we can get some money, then i can get a bigger PA with subs (so we could actually here how our stuff sounds on them big subs!) i personaly 'd love to do that actually! i worked at pa compony wherehouse, but there people would bother if someone make noise .. ;) but the loudness could be an issue here (well our squat could be fine, but i cannot say for sure right now) .. and may be we should stick to a basic mackie speaker option then. what else do we need? screens and projectors? i've got some CRT monitors and a few LCD ones .. good network swithces are also avaliable. with some cat5 cables On 10 Nov 2008, at 10:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi Rob. no that wasn't meant to be off-list, however it might have acidentialy got off-list ;( sorry for confusing, i meant 'my squat' .. i think i was ansvering 10 emails in a row at that point and hadn't paid enough attention to what i actually wrote ;..( i think we actually should shift this discussion to pd-list or everyone is on openlab-list anyway? On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 11:04:55AM +, Rob Canning wrote: hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greenwich is nice :) well.. in case we really get lots of people, then yeah your sqaut is just right for it :) my squat? i'm confused. it's not a tidy but we got a lot of room ;!] what you guys think is the best date for it? mid-week or weekend / end of november or in december? well in few weeks could be nice but in december could be fine too.. was this meant to be off list? cheers rob ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] patching circle in London ?
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:44:09PM +, Rob Canning wrote: Solen Music wrote: i'm down for it too. based in bow. will be going back to ireland from 19th dec but any other time is good for me.\ ok .. i was thinking about mid-december .. irish in north east london? me too :) should i register with the wiki and join the members or will this post suffice? makes sense to write on the wiki so we can keep track of things centrally without having to use too much brain power. i reckon that that wiki memebr list is optional, you can get on the list if want to ..just in case if you wanna be contacted or whatever ..we not aming to track evry one! we will just have to post a list of people on the malinglist to get the right number of how many of us are gonna be there ;) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Patching Circles
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 04:20:10PM -0600, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Ok, I added http://puredata.info/community/PatchingCircles to the wiki. Now we just need some content. here is London the page for the London group: http://puredata.info/community/LondonPatchingCircle please add stuff. i had created a few sections: Members (for a list of buddies), Equipment (what's avaliable), Locations (where we gonna do it..). cheers, -- ilya .д ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] patching circle in London ?
hi Rob. no that wasn't meant to be off-list, however it might have acidentialy got off-list ;( sorry for confusing, i meant 'my squat' .. i think i was ansvering 10 emails in a row at that point and hadn't paid enough attention to what i actually wrote ;..( i think we actually should shift this discussion to pd-list or everyone is on openlab-list anyway? On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 11:04:55AM +, Rob Canning wrote: hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greenwich is nice :) well.. in case we really get lots of people, then yeah your sqaut is just right for it :) my squat? i'm confused. it's not a tidy but we got a lot of room ;!] what you guys think is the best date for it? mid-week or weekend / end of november or in december? well in few weeks could be nice but in december could be fine too.. was this meant to be off list? cheers rob ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Float accuracy
On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:50:51PM +, Mark Sexton wrote: Hi I need PD to make simple but accurate calculations for a sonification project. However there seems to be a problem working accurately with floats that have 7 or more digits in total (before or after the decimal point). PD always seem to round the figure to 6 digits whether in a calculation, or even typing a 7+ digit float into a number box e.g. 1234.5678 rounded to 1234.57 have you the size of numbox set to '0' ? I've got a couple of ugly hacks to work around for now, but it seems a fairly fundamental thing to do, so would be grateful to hear if I'm missing a simple way to get PD to work accurately with floats of any arbitrary length above 6 digits. i think there is octave object, try and see if that could give any different results, but i doubt it would ;) Cheers Mark ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Float accuracy
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 09:45:32AM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Mark Sexton wrote: Hi I need PD to make simple but accurate calculations for a sonification project. However there seems to be a problem working accurately with floats that have 7 or more digits in total (before or after the decimal point). PD always seem to round the figure to 6 digits whether in a calculation, or even typing a 7+ digit float into a number box e.g. 1234.5678 rounded to 1234.57 I've got a couple of ugly hacks to work around for now, but it seems a fairly fundamental thing to do, so would be grateful to hear if I'm missing a simple way to get PD to work accurately with floats of any arbitrary length above 6 digits. you don't need anything. Pd does uses IEEE floating point values for numbers, you don't loose a single bit. it's only the GUI that likes to round the numbers when displaying it. internally everything is correct (as far as it is possible using single precision floats) actually i have thought if pd could be ported to use double precision? may be optionaly so if your machine is meant to be fast enough then you opt doubles .. is it quite doable? you could change the width of a number-box to see more digits. fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Float accuracy
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:21:19AM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: there has been quite some code added to Pd-0.42 in preperation to make single/double precision a compile-time option. that's the way forward ;_) i think the only major thing that is still missing for a fully functional double-precision Pd is some ugens, namely [phasor~], [cos~] and [osc~]. and of course most externals will not work properly. right ..sure, i was thinking it's just a metter of changing the header .. also then someone (like me) wishes to have the double precision sample stored in soundfile too ;) actually i see that my editor (Snd) can handle it very esealy :)) i really need sndlib instead of pd's audiofiler .. fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] patching circle in London ?
Fallowing up a few posts about the patching circle events .. shall we have one in London as well? i could arrange it at my place .. or we got a plenty of other choises in town ;) no-id gallery ,for instance, they could be up for it, i can speak with them.. it's in shoredich as well. we could do at the foundry but i rekon people might get too drunk! ;) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] patching circle in London ?
Hi Chris, nice to here there is quite a few people up for it! On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:37:53PM +0900, Chris McCormick wrote: Hey There, I lost the Puredata list mail, but I just moved to London and am definately up for some kind of London Pd bash. Best, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Hunting denormals?
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 04:27:08PM -0400, Bill Gribble wrote: I have a patch of medium complexity, with a handful of instruments~ and a bunch of sequencing and arranging-type message handling. On my speedy Intel laptop it has no problem and barely notches the CPU usage. However, when I run this patch on my teeny Geode-based UMPC it pegs CPU at 100%. i wouldn't expect a lot from a geode machine ;)) I'm pretty sure this is a denormal issue. There are a grand total of maybe 5 noise~, 5 osc~, 10 vline~, 5 lop~, and 1 delay line in the whole patch and not much else besides message processing... I wouldn't guess this to run me out of compute power. pardon, but what the word 'denormals' means? ..never heard it Any hints on how to isolate where the denormals might be popping up? I have looked for signal processing loops, and the only ones I create are around the delayline (feedback) and I suppose in the iir implementation of the lop~. Any help appreciated, Bill Gribble ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] tape-like transport emulation (search for external)
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:11:14AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you ever look at record~? the one in svn/externals/miXed ? i'm trying to compile it now .. Best recards ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] issues with [readsf~]/[writesf~]
hello. i just want to report a few bugs that i can spot with the [readsf~]/[writesf~] couple .. a) i have already wrote about this, and i'll write again, cause i'm very sure on this one. when i write a file with this command: [open -byte 4 -nextstep -little -rate 96000 /tmp/recording-ex01( it produces a file which is recognised by unix command file(1) as just a 'data' file, and then opening it in Snd editor it come up as a raw pcm and i set the header values and write the header to it, ..then file actualy gives this output: '/home/110101/mtk/rec/recording-ex01.snd: Sun/NeXT audio data: stereo, 96000 Hz' instead of '/tmp/recording-ex01.snd: data' so trying to load the modified header file into [readsf~] doesn't parse the header, but trying to load the unmodified one is okay. probably it's about endianes of the magic byte .. well.. it could be actually not a pd bug but Snd and file(1) bug .. but they are two, i'll try to check with other programms but it's a majority to me already. b) [readsf~] heppends to segfault Pd when i load my 4channel 10min lond file which was recorded with [writesf~] with above [open( command. i run Pd (version 0.41-4) on amd64 linux machine which has 1g of ram .. it segfaults in a big patch, which i'll hopefully manage to package soon ..it has really a lot of abstraction that i made and quite many subpatches. i did manage to get it working with some subpatches [switched~] off. so i think it's definetly some memory allocation problem in there, could be in soundfiler code, or may be in some other objects that i have there ..(there are many VUs which are now in [switch~]ed subpatches and when i'm kindda carefull it doesn't crash ;) well, anyhow i reckon that readsf~ needs some replacment for my purpose .. cause the file is that big .. (du -hs reports 1022M) perhaps, i could experiment on system with ONLY puredata running, but there a lot of important processes which i cannot kill at the moment.. cheers, -- ilya .d ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] help with making a parametric EQ
On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 11:44:04PM +0900, hard off wrote: (oh, and sorry if this mail gets sent to the list twice - i forgot to add the [pd] bit to the subject first time) in fact it is being added by the mailman program ;) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd and matlab
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 03:56:37PM +0200, Damien Henry - Voxler wrote: Hi list ! Does anyone as already used matlab to make externals ? i find it quite odd .. the idea of using matlab which is t00 sl0w! but if really wish to check out - might look at the octave exteral ;] i think i live in the SVN. Cheers, Damien. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] place for loaders
hi Marius and everybdy, i'm not quite sure what are they? but i reckon the organization of makefiles in the svn is too messy, i was considering an option of actually offering myself taking the responsibility for that! but while considering that, i was tald that the concept is that each subdir is maintained exclusivle by the author ..which i actually respect, as it sort of right way for me, as it gives the individuality to the complite set of software - pd+etx+abs :) still may be we could introduce proper guidlines, especially what 'install' target has to do, the actuall directories where the lib it's helpfile and exples would be put! last time i tryed just simple make .pd_linux make install - it did try to mess up my setup, so i had either both lib and helpfile in one place, or the lib in that place and the helpfile somewhere else ;( and i can remeber what else it done back then .. so i did just copy every usefull file into two dirs that i named abs and ext, all helpfiles could go into subdirs of the two, but i did just out then together. well.. i don't need much stuff of there, just most of the time i've been happy with core objs ;[ the self organised pojects, i mean those which take their own dir, like the mtl bunch and netpd are totaly fine as they are ;) also some makefiles tend to have odd CFLAGS, many are missing -fPIC, which you need on x86_64, so right .. that all wanted to say about that.. also i will meantion here that there still a little annoying issue in Millers's src/ :( the makefile was fixed and the .pd file don't get +x permission when installed, but they together with some other .c files do have it in the src dir, which is definetly the source of the prob ;( well.. i definetly suspect this is comes with cross platform development, when you use the msdos fs, and copy stuff onto and from it, all the files on there when mounted on linux turn out to have +x bit (by default). the fix for it is to put a line like this into fstab: /dev/sde1 /mnt/sd1auto user,group,noauto,rw,noatime,umask=027,fmask=0117,posix,gid=100 0 0 this sets the file and dir mask, the important bits are umask=027 and fmask=0117 the rest is site specific. On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:57:44AM -0400, marius schebella wrote: hi, surfing the cvs I just wondered if loaders should be a subdir of externals at all? I can't find a discussion about this in the archives and I also think it is not that important. but shouldn't it go side by side with the externals folder? nevermind... marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] call for old PC100/PC133 RAM donations
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 09:42:18PM +0100, Steffen Juul wrote: On 25/03/2008, at 21.08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i had always considered to write a couple of ebuilds and emerge pd just a s normal, but i didn't actyually learn to write them propertly yet .. but i reckon i can sort that out really ;) Then maybe you'll find http://pd-overlay.sf.net/ useful. yeah, i looked at it, but did want to rewrite some stuff just for the sake of doing it my way.. cause i want pd to be in /opt/audio prefix .. it didn't work yet what i have writen ..i'd like to get back to it soon :) and the ram, i'll probably keep for now.. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] call for old PC100/PC133 RAM donations
hi Hans and the list, first i have thought that i could actually send a couple of pc133 sticks over, but here is only a few and in fact i think i'd rather help up with 64ish thing .. i do have machine runnig gentoo on 64-bit athlon, but it actually has pd built manualy with each update and not too many externals to it .. but i think i could set up a weekly cron job or something to actually build a pd binary, may be not all the externals.. but the vanilla source for sure :) the only thing is that i've said that pd is build manualy each time over here ..i'm not too sure, i wasn't too interested to try and build the whole set of externals with it ..may be we still could do something for just the sake of making binaries for other people .. as i'm gentoo based, it's slitghtly different, but still could do .. i had always considered to write a couple of ebuilds and emerge pd just a s normal, but i didn't actyually learn to write them propertly yet .. but i reckon i can sort that out really ;) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] writesf produces incorrect header (pd-0.41.0)
i have recently decided that recordings i make have to be little endian, as the architecture has that byte order. so i have used [writesf~] sending it a message: open -bytes 4 -nextstep -little -rate 96000 /tmp/recording-XX after the recording is done, i have a file /tmp/recording-XX.snd, which is not recognised by the file(1) command ..it just says that's a data file ;( i can open the sf in Snd editor, and set header to what i know it is supposed to be - everything works. it seems like [writesf~] has a glitch with that ..it doesn't write header totaly incorrectly or may be somewhat doesn't write it at all.. it's in the latest version of pd, compiled localy on x86_64, gcc-4.1.2, gentoo linux. -- cheers, ilya .d ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] this is crazy
do you see something unusual in this patch? i have never noticed anything like that .. i only might have had something similar when i didn't know what hot and cold inlets are .. :) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] slightly: building audio computer with PD
i'd suggest logging to a loghost, in clasic syslog.conf: *.* @loghost will send all logs to loghost machine, which has to be added to your hosts file. if you are using syslog-ng, it's slightly more complicated, but gives you more advantages! syslog-ng can send via TCP, so you can encrypt it with stunnel .. having an old-skool syslog at port 514(udp) is a potential security hole, but i do use it localy. once tried to have it over the internet - had about 5 people attacking me after a few hours! i can post a syslog-ng.conf file if you wish .. i couldn't get stunnel working yet ;( but there tutorials .. On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 10:18:13PM +0100, Derek Holzer wrote: Either way could work, the ramdisk is a particularly good idea. Unless the installation is networked, there's not too much need for logfiles in the classic server or multiuser environment sort of sense. You could probably also just disable to logging daemon by removing it from the boot scripts using rc-update (on Gentoo at least, or with another distro-specific equivalent). I imagine that logging would simply just fail quietly if the partition were read-only... I mean, what would log the fact that the logs weren't logging? ;-) best, d. Peter Plessas wrote: * Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-31 18:47]: So I made sure to mount all my drives read-only, and that everything would start from a script on power-up. Having the whole operating system on a Flash card/USB stick (again, no logging, read-only) is also quite How do you do that? Do you mount /var/log as ramdisk which gets erased at reboot, or do you tell every service/daemon not to log? -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 184: Where is the edge? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] slightly: building audio computer with PD
On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 09:32:35PM +, Andy Farnell wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:57:18 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Plessas) wrote: * Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-31 18:47]: So I made sure to mount all my drives read-only, and that everything would start from a script on power-up. Having the whole operating system on a Flash card/USB stick (again, no logging, read-only) is also quite How do you do that? Do you mount /var/log as ramdisk which gets erased at reboot, or do you tell every service/daemon not to log? Symlink logs to /dev/null or use logrotate to delete them on the hour. Better if you can tell a process not to log though, stop the problem at its source. well, better to just comment, or empty /etc/syslog.conf, or may be even write something like '*.* /dev/null' in there :) btw, has anyone heared of something that would give some special features to a directory, so for example all files which are created in there will become just links to /dev/null ? or something else would happend to ecach of them .. ? thanks, PP ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] slightly: building audio computer with PD
hm .. how about locks and other stuff ? there always some things which want to be written to somewhere in /var! the gentoo runscripts use /var/lib/init.d/ i reckon having a bit of space writable in /var and /tmp symlinked to /var ..could be usefull, keep one or two day's logs as well and log them on a loghost or mail before they being wiped off.. you can mail without a server .. might be able to use mutt or some command line util to do it via smtp .. well, this deppends on the network availability! On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 10:49:14PM +0100, Derek Holzer wrote: Can't use logrotate if the partition is mounted readonly. I can see the point if the idea wasn't to fill up disk space, but my whole idea is to not write to the disk at all. Symlink is also a good idea, though. best, d. Andy Farnell wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:57:18 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Plessas) wrote: * Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-31 18:47]: So I made sure to mount all my drives read-only, and that everything would start from a script on power-up. Having the whole operating system on a Flash card/USB stick (again, no logging, read-only) is also quite How do you do that? Do you mount /var/log as ramdisk which gets erased at reboot, or do you tell every service/daemon not to log? Symlink logs to /dev/null or use logrotate to delete them on the hour. Better if you can tell a process not to log though, stop the problem at its source. thanks, PP ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 65: Emphasize differences ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd object quick reference sheet
that's very good, but i think that is what pdpedia is aming for :_) On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 07:11:49PM +0100, Fred Jan Kraan wrote: Hi, My first post here. As should be expected for newbies, beside sweeping the floor, is doing something that could be useful. As I couldn't find a compact alphabetic list of Pd objects, I made one: http://www.xs4all.nl/~fjkraan/digaud/puredata/index.html. I compared it with http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla and ./pd/doc/5.reference/help-intro.pd and found some differences. My list reflects the objects present in the 0.40-2 Pd distribution from Ubuntu 7.10. An attempt to do the same for the objects in the Pd-0.39.3-extended distribution is there too but unfinished, it probably needs another format.. Fred Jan ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Release of PdSVN Alpha 1
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:44:13PM -0800, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: Hello everyone, I've been working on a library for subversion support within Pd. I thought I'd upload the first working alpha to get some feedback, since I'd like everyone to be happy with how it operates. The basic idea is that you spawn [pdsvn] inside the patch you're working on. It acts as a svn status indicator as well as a control center for svn operations upon that patch. So, if the patch is unversioned, it will let you add it to the repository, then commit (asking for a log message on the way). If it's already versioned, it will let you diff changes to your working copy to the Pd Console, as well as commit those changes. Great, this anables patches to be uploadeble from within themselves ! but is there an svn repository ..? the main one runs cvs (at sf.net) .. which one are you using Luke ? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] performance question: connections versus sends
On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 12:04:31AM +, Andy Farnell wrote: The slight difference is for [s~][r~] vs signal connections the order of creation can change things. It's been discussed before in the context of delay/resonator string models. what is the difference between r~/s~ and throw~/catch~ ? -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis Study
is it just about getting rand. varieble amplitude sinusoid ? i have made a nice object called 0sc~ - which is like an unstable oscillator (amplitude wise, and frequency wise if Q is small) it is just a cascade of vcf~ with noise~ (and pink~) put trough that mine isn't making sound similar to yours ..i'm not sure does it fall in the granular concept ? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib
so what you got there with /usr/lib/pd and doc/ in there ?? who does that belong to to whatever ..check it out and emerge --resume then .. ah, seems you got FEATURES=userpriv - so you might diasable thet .. but seems actually this a bug in the ebuild , it shouldn't try making that directory at 'install' stage. directories are made at the 'merge' stage ACCESS DENIED mkdir: /usr/lib/pd/doc install: cannot create directory `/usr/lib/pd/doc': Permission denied make: *** [install] Error 1 /usr/portage/local/layman/pd-overlay/media-plugins/maxlib/maxlib-.ebuild: line 32: emake install failed: command not found Completed installing maxlib- into /var/tmp/portage/media-plugins/maxlib-/image/ --- ACCESS VIOLATION SUMMARY --- LOG FILE = /var/log/sandbox/sandbox-media-plugins_-_maxlib--512.log mkdir: /usr/lib/pd/doc i will get netpd and build from the main site; i know it will work like that. /a yeah, i think that's the ebuild which isn't very well written. i wish i have done some ebuild .. but i only need a few externals - so compiled those manualy into my own prefix ;) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib
the Makefiles in the pd CVS tree are very are definetly not good. they needs fixing globaly. who is responsible for the CVS ? i think that all of them have to be generalised ,so we can easiely build anything. i do everything manually on my system, cause quite a few makefiles try to use -m32 in CFLAGS and many of them need -fPIC to be added. there basic externals , which don't have any ./configure part, i think we need to work on those first , leaving Gem and DataFlow aside .. also there is acouple of external which have duplicated objects. i'm not totaly experienced with writing from the scratch makefiles, but i could help checking it out on amd64 (gentoo).. and hopefully mac-ppc (obsd) soon as well. On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 10:01:05AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so what you got there with /usr/lib/pd and doc/ in there ?? who does that belong to to whatever ..check it out and emerge --resume then .. no way-.- ah, seems you got FEATURES=userpriv - so you might diasable thet .. but seems actually this a bug in the ebuild , it shouldn't try making that directory at 'install' stage. CVS ebuilds (ebuilds that pull sources from VC repositories) are a hell. I promised myself to make periodically snapshots, so I wouldn't had such issues. at te time I wrote the ebuild it worked fine. directories are made at the 'merge' stage ACCESS DENIED mkdir: /usr/lib/pd/doc install: cannot create directory `/usr/lib/pd/doc': Permission denied make: *** [install] Error 1 it seems that Makefile system ignored DESTDIR DESTDIR is an environment variable for staged installs. and Gentoo does staged installs. it means it does not install directly into /usr/lib, but first does install tasks inside a sandbox, chrooted in $DESTDIR directory. if makefile tries to write directly to root / filesystem (thus, not respecting the DESTDIR directive) it raises that Access Violation error above I'll fix as soon as I have time thanks for reporting -- Federico Ferri ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib
On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 01:56:19PM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Makefiles in the pd CVS tree are very are definetly not good. they needs fixing globaly. who is responsible for the CVS ? nobody. the authors are responsible for their stuff. so: if zexy/src/Makefile is broken, it is my fault... i think that all of them have to be generalised ,so we can easiely build anything. i do everything manually on my system, cause quite a few makefiles try to use -m32 in CFLAGS and many of them need -fPIC to be added. at least the pd-sources (+externs) have fixed this by now. i think the (erroneous) use of the -m32 flag in pd-0.40 convinced several developers to add this flag to their makefiles. i kidda realise thatr as well . there basic externals , which don't have any ./configure part, i think we need to work on those first , leaving Gem and DataFlow aside .. GridFlow you mean? ah , sure yeah :) also there is acouple of external which have duplicated objects. what do you mean here? nameclashes? duplicated functionality? aliases? yeah ..i can't remenber, but when i used my strategy: #' foreach pde (`find -iname '*.pd_linux'`) ln -s $pde /opt/audio/lib/pd/ext/cvs-all/ end #' i found some file with the same names .., and they seemd to copy some stuff from on external directory into anothr in order to resolvetheir little dependency , i suppose .. such things should be included in some guidelines may be, if we wish to have any guide lines as such . fmga.sdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] installing netpd under gentoo using layman error maxlib
On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 04:59:18PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh, it would be a definitely GOOD THING to tidy up our build systems. but HOW? i think of having one Makeglobal which will contain DESTDIR, CFALGS , *FLAGS ..etc all the general variebles.. and procedures (or how do you call it in make terminology ?) - ah targets may be .. i mean the way you wanna do make install and make clean .. etc i'd suggect make syminst (which will link .pd and .pd_linux) files into the path instead of copying it - save a litle space (practicaly) AND make update of the abstraction very simple! so there we set like all the abstractions to go into $libdir/abs or something that you perefere .. and the externals can go into $libdir/ext - stick to 3char convention is a good idea i think (once the situation permits)! so i'm just giving some organizational idea ..(i organize my installation in that manner actually). so having this Makeglobal (or ..Makefile.glob if you wish), athors just add their Makelocal's which will only contain the compilation procedure definition. one solution could be modularizing and hierarchicalizing Makefiles perhaps pd-extended build system uses this approach (Hans, can you spend some words here?). another approach could be auto*-tools, but I don't know anything about that. if anyone has experience with that and he thinks it is reasonable to use autoconf/automake it would be appreciated if he can write some lines on the wiki, describing a standardized build procedure for externals based on autotools i think we don't really need autoconf or any of those - having the above structure one can just go into the external's dir and do make install or make syminst we don't need --with-blah and --enable-foo for simple externals , i reckon apart from massive things like GridFlow and GEM ..(which have already got it ;) writing Makefiles it means much more than making a bunch of C files to compile. the end user just use the compile part, but other environments (see the Gentoo build system) use more advanced Makefiles features. I just mention some: - CC, STRIP, LD, ... variables can override the default programs - DESTDIR is used as filesystem root for staged installs - test target is used to perform tests - CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS *must* be honored instead of hardcoding CFLAGS (like -march, -mcpu, -funroll-loops, -fomit-frame-pointer, -fpipe, ...) into Makefiles I wrote very few externs (notemono, tracker) and I should admit even my makefiles are broken and don't respect all of the above features writing a Makefile by hand is a PITA and much error-prone :| i don't think it's a big deal to have some basic makefile structure like that .. ok, well if we got any auto-tools specialist , who has a good solution now around here .. just my 0.02 Euro -- Federico Ferri ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-etended AMD64 build
you probably want to install pd-0.41-0test6, which have the array bug fixed for x86_64. i had it for ages and was really disapointed how the arrays and graphs worked. On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 08:52:06PM -0500, Justin Robert wrote: Hi, I'm a newbie to the list and pd. :) I am running the latest pd-extended on windows, but would like to get it on my laptop that is running mepis linux AMD64. is there a build for AMD? I downloaded the source, but there is no configure file in src folder, so I get a not found when I run ./configure. What am I doing wrong? Thank you in advance. Justin Robert www.justinrobert.com ps- thank you for your help on the list IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] minimize mac
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 09:21:34AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mathieu Bouchard wrote: What do you mean, resizing does not always help? Resizing the window doesn't always cause a scrollbar to appear. Tim that looks like the old wll known bug. it appears after you edit the patch - just ctrl+e and touch one object basically - it refreshes the scrollbar stae and you can scroll. seems to happend on all the platforms. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] minimize mac
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 06:58:12AM -0700, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: Hallo, I've mentioned this before... if the issue is worth $15 to you you can grab this : )http://www.atomicbird.com/mondomouse/ (no affiliation) Cheers Luke probably mac users can afford such little things :_) .. especial because their beloved OS + GUI doesn't provide this to them! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Files attached and the archive of this mailing list
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 06:14:28PM +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote: you don't need to convert anything, since pd-files already are textfiles, but with the extension '.pd'. roman on windows there may be an EOL problem, so notepad or something won't display it propertly - all will go in one line .. i'm not sure if pd patch parser can read both ..? deppends.. did anyone experienced anything about it? i think it's only windows has different EOL symbol these days. macosx has the regular unix EOL isn't it? On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 17:41 +0100, Javier Garcia wrote: Hi, dont the files attached to mails appear in the archive of this mailing list ( http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/ ) ?? how can i convert a patch to text? br. GARFF __ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Der fr?he Vogel f?ngt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] russian pdpedia template ready
On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:08:45PM +0100, danja vasiliev wrote: Hello Ilya, good job ;) i commented on some, i think the tongue can be a little easier, somewhat simpler... yeah , we must keep it that way. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i just made the basic translation of the template. could be nice if Danya could consider the alternative options (i put in the comments) i also couldn't get the css stuff quite right -;( but http://wiki.puredata.info/ru/MediaWiki:Common.css seems to be right, or it is not? it's strange to me .. do you have more clue in web related stuff ? i have changed most of the stuff according to the comments. # wikipedia terms (these should come straight from Wikipedia) my $stub = Заготовка; my $template = Шаблон; my $category = Категория; ## или раздел ? my $infobox = Инфорамка; # термины pdpedia my $objectclass = Объект-класс; # заголовки my $inlets = Впуска; ## по словарю а. мюллера # Вход ? my $outlets = Выпуска; # Выход ? # i was thinking that's more appropriate.. впуск/выпуск это типа из сантехники или какого-то другого # моделирования с трубами .. , звучит смешнее ;)+ # а так же , главное что - inlet/outlet - дело промежуточное, вход/выход - это вещи оканчательные # незря Миллер назвал их так , а не in/out ! my $arguments = Параметры; # Опции (the last (options) may be no correct as some object require arguments, is it so?) # i think better stick to the one which is more russian then, cause we # got too much of all cyrillic-writen-english bits all over the place my $messages = Сообщения; # infobox my $name = Название; my $description = Описание; my $abbreviation = Сокращение; my $library = Библиотека; my $author = Автор; my $developer = Разработчик; my $releaseVersion = Версия релиза; my $releaseDate = Дата выпуска; my $dependencies = Зависимости; my $license = Лицензия; my $website = Домашняя страница; my $programmingLanguage = Язык программирования; my $platform = Платформа; my $operatingSystem = Операционная Система; my $language = Язык; my $dataType = Тип данных; my $distributions = Дистрибутивы; ## Дистрибуции это как-то туповато звучит :) my $status = Статус; -- _|_ danja vasiliev ---(*)---http://k0a1a.net/recent ' +31-64-2654486 -- ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] russian pdpedia template ready
hello Hans and Danya (+ anyone else who might be involved in the russian pdpedia business), i just made the basic translation of the template. could be nice if Danya could consider the alternative options (i put in the comments) i also couldn't get the css stuff quite right -;( # wikipedia terms (these should come straight from Wikipedia) my $stub = Заготовка; my $template = Шаблон; my $category = Категория; ## или раздел ? my $infobox = Инфорамка; # термины pdpedia my $objectclass = Объект-класс; # заголовки my $inlets = Впуска; ## по словарю а. мюллера my $outlets = Выпуска; my $arguments = Аргументы; ## ;) и факты ? my $messages = Сообщения; # infobox my $name = Название; my $description = Описание; my $abbreviation = Аббревиатура; ## псевдоним ? my $library = Библиотека; my $author = Автор; my $developer = Разработчик; my $releaseVersion = Версия релиза; ## номер выпуска ? my $releaseDate = Дата релиза; ## выпуска ? или рЭлиза ? my $dependencies = Зависимости; my $license = Лицензия; my $website = Домашняя страница; my $programmingLanguage = Язык программирования; my $platform = Платформа; my $operatingSystem = Операционная Система; my $language = Язык; my $dataType = Вид данных; my $distributions = Дистрибутивы; ## или может Дистрибуции ? my $status = Статус; ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] russian pdpedia
hi danja. i can help if you need. may be we could actully meet up on irc or something ? you can email me directly. i was looking for russian pd users an dwas gonna posto to this list about it one day. let's , get in touch .;;] -- cheers, ilya .d On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 12:32:21AM +0200, danja vasiliev wrote: hi there, taking on this ultimately nice initiative of pdpedia i'd like to talk for the russian part of pd users. so far i know only few of them but im sure they are out there being hit by the brownian motion of pd particles. i can translate the main/english tread of pdpedia in to russian and keep it updated, also would keep eye on some russian specifics (if there are any...? utf..phhh). -- _|_ danja vasiliev ---(*)---http://k0a1a.net/recent ' +31-64-2654486 -- ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd command-line options . ( -guicmd , -guiport )
hello pd-list. I would like to find out more on how exactly the undocumented options '-guicmd' and '-guiport' might be used? when pd starts up it usualy listens to port 5401 and the netstat gives %netstat|grep 5401 tcp0 0 localhost:5401 localhost:52381 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 localhost:52381 localhost:5401 ESTABLISHED does it mean that 5401 if where 'pd' sits and 5381 is where 'pdgui' comes from? so the could be on different host or there any restrictions? i have got pd compiled only one machine , so could not test this yet .. also another option - '-guicmd' - what about this one? i thinking how to setup a such a 'multi-station', which could have multiple users using some set of programms for their multimedia production with such a particular oportuniti to work in the same programm at time .. so with PD, in fact , i can see many ways of implimenting that. it is event too many ways to try, needs benchmarking i think. .. appart from what could be done with built-in pd stuff, i'd like to try Xdmx and may be even just XdmCP (simply when a user log-in on a thin client - he gets a full-sceen patch as an Xsession ) .. but i'm realy curious what those undocumented options are ! -- === my gpg keyserver : - http://keyserver.noreply.org:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD0E440AEfingerprint=onhash=onop=index ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [writesf~] gets stucked when no space left on a device
hello list. i felt like reporting one of bugs, which are quite rear to find in pd. i had recorded something massive (8chan/96k/4byte) for longer then usual and ran out of space (was about 1gig, i reckon) ..so pd got just stucked in a way that i could'n stop it or close/save any patch. even after i freed some space , it still was in the same state and kept printing 'pd: siglaing watchdog ...'. so just in case anyone gets around bug fixes - could be usefull to have some warning comming up when [writesf~] doesn't enuf have space left, ormay be let it give up writing when 99.6% are filled up.. cheers. Ilya. -- === my gpg keyserver : - http://keyserver.noreply.org:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD0E440AEfingerprint=onhash=onop=index ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
