Is anyone collecting all the augenblick gesos?

[Larry Colen]

If no one else does, I may try to go back and collect all the geso and  
peso links of pictures from last weekend. I'd love to see them all in  
one place, I'm so swamped right now, I don't know when I'll have a  
chance to do more than grep the list for posts that mention my name.


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Re: geso - Chicago

[Larry Colen]

On May 12, 2010, at 8:23 PM, Sasha Sobol wrote:


Thanks.
I have uploaded even more.


You've got some great stuff there.

I'm amused by the one where it looks like Jostein is checking me out.


Link is the same:
http://flickriver.com/photos/sobol/tags/chicago/
not all shots are good, but that's all I have for now.


But some are very good, and there aren't any real clinkers in there  
either.


Larry, I did not like that photo as much as I thought, but it is  
still there.


I quite like it. I'm going to have to diversify in my use of  
background colors for portraits, that bright yellow works far better  
than I ever would have guessed.



--S

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

On 5/12/2010 3:20 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:


Sasha Sobol wrote:


http://flickriver.com/photos/sobol/tags/chicago/

--Sasha



Sorry I didn't respond sooner, Sasha. I was busy erasing any trace  
of my

sanity.

I very much enjoyed these. That shot of Jostein is classic, and  
the one

of Meg, Stan, Larry, and Christine is just luminous.


Sasha,

What happened to that portrait you showed me of Meg against the  
yellow?


That was a wonderful shot. Or at least it seemed so on the back of  
your

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Re: Canon S90 Remarks

[Rob Studdert]

On 13/05/2010, George Sinos  wrote:
> Hi Tim and Miserere
>
> The S90 is a great little camera.  Just a couple of notes.

You guys are just plain bad.

I bought one today, got the IXUS S210 IS Touch the other day via the
insurers to replace the Canon P&S that was stolen when my home was
broken into a few weeks back. I can see how it could appeal to the
iPhone crowd et al. but it's just far too clumsy for me and the bells
and whistles have replaced virtually all general photographic
controls. Not a great camera for a hands on photographer IMO, so it's
off to eBay shortly. The S90 looks like it will fit the bill nicely (a
Pentax P&S wasn't even a blip on the radar).

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RE: Canon S90 Remarks

[John Sessoms]

From: Tim Bray

I don't think many will come to love it, but it's still remarkably
handy: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/05/11/Canon-S90-Notes

 -Tim


I guess if I needed to replace my current P&S (A60 2Mpx leave it in the 
car all the time) camera I might consider this one.


... or maybe not. Doesn't look like it has a viewfinder, and I'm not 
comfortable with the 
hold-it-at-arms-length-squint-at-the-little-TV-and-pray style of shooting.


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Re: My Chicago photos (slide show with music, pre alpha)

[Boris Liberman]

Well, I am uploading another version of this show, this time in .scr
(screen saver) format. When I double click on this file on my
computer, it simply opens and plays like a slide show with music.

http://liberman-family.com/boris/chicago_2010/chicago_pdml.scr

If this does not work for you, then, I am afraid, it will have to wait
until I find a way to produce a video file of some kind.

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Re: GESO - The Usual Suspects (Chicago)

[frank theriault]

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Tom C  wrote:
> After pizza Saturday evening we fell out of the joint and took up a
> huge amount of sidewalk space blocking egress into the restaurant
> momentarily.
>
> It was time to get out the DA 14/2.8. The ladies always remember me,
> first for getting up in their face, and 2nd for the images. I think
> Misere or Boris took the one of me. Does anyone remember? My usually
> eidetic memory fails me.
>
> Peradventure, these are typical Pentax users.
>
> Enjoy: http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=967136

Fun stuff.  Love it!!

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Re: geso - Chicago

[frank theriault]

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Sasha Sobol  wrote:
> http://flickriver.com/photos/sobol/tags/chicago/
>

Glorious!

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PESO - After the Storm - Part II

[frank theriault]

I fully expected a giant hand to poke through the bright part of the
clouds and lift me to the Pearly Gates, but no such luck:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/05/after-storm-part-ii.html

The sky ~did~ look pretty cool, though.

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

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Re: geso - Chicago

[Sasha Sobol]

Thanks.
I have uploaded even more.
Link is the same:
http://flickriver.com/photos/sobol/tags/chicago/
not all shots are good, but that's all I have for now.
Larry, I did not like that photo as much as I thought, but it is still there.
--S

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> On 5/12/2010 3:20 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
>>
>> Sasha Sobol wrote:
>>>
>>> http://flickriver.com/photos/sobol/tags/chicago/
>>>
>>> --Sasha
>>>
>>
>> Sorry I didn't respond sooner, Sasha. I was busy erasing any trace of my
>> sanity.
>>
>> I very much enjoyed these. That shot of Jostein is classic, and the one
>> of Meg, Stan, Larry, and Christine is just luminous.
>
> Sasha,
>
> What happened to that portrait you showed me of Meg against the yellow?
>
> That was a wonderful shot. Or at least it seemed so on the back of your
> camera.
>
>>
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Re: phone test

[Stan Halpin]

Yes.
But is it art?

On May 12, 2010, at 10:09 PM, cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:

> did this get through
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Re: phone test

[Rob Studdert]

On 13/05/2010, cagu...@earthlink.net  wrote:
> did this get through

Yep! ;-)

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did this get through

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Re: PESO - After the Storm

[frank theriault]

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Fernando  wrote:
> Stunning image Frank. Beautiful tones and composition.
>
> Does the bike path make it close to where you are there? If so we
> probably rollerblade there on sunny days -a rarity lately...
>
> PS: I can see my place there in the background ;-)

I think the path is interrupted for a bit around my place.  I'm near
Islington and Lakeshore Blvd.  Just south of my apartment is Lakeshore
~Drive~ which goes along the water - I think it's the de facto bike
path for a few kilometres.  If you've been along Lakeshore Drive,
you've been close to my place.

Thanks to everyone who commented.  Glad you all liked!

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Re: PESO - Early Morning Run

[frank theriault]

On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Bob W  wrote:

> Whoa, dude - that's not just a keeper, it's one for next year's book and
> gallery!
>
> Although what I assume is a person does actually look rather like an alien.

Well, it's that "alien" look that keeps it from being a "Class A
keeper" in my books.  The unusual look is due to the fact that the
jogger had her hands clasped behind her head as she was running - an
exercise of some sort, I guess.  I kept hoping she'd put them down,
but no, so I had to snap.  I waited for about 5 minutes for another
runner to go by (geez, usually I'm tripping over the damned fools -
sorry, Mark) but I got bored and moved along.

Thanks to everyone for the kind comments.

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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[Stan Halpin]

Miserere and I had a brief discussion about Eggleston's work while we were 
wandering through. It got me to thinking rather than just feeling. Thanks 
Miserere!
First, I don't study art, I don't read art critics' stuff, and I may have once 
heard the name Eggleston but had no clue who he was and what his purported 
place is/was in the pantheon of photographic greats. From the viewpoint of that 
naive viewer, I think I liked his work. First, except for the B&W portraits, it 
all seemed to be of one style. This is a guy comfortable with his vision of the 
world. Second, it was all of one "place." St. Ansel's place was not just 
Yosemite but all outdoors. Egglestons place was the American mid-south. I think 
both represented their own place well, in very different ways obviously! I 
wonder if  someone who is an urban dweller with no prior experience with the 
Southwest or Yosemite, etc. could see the art in Adams' work? I think that one 
who has no prior experience  with the American South would likewise have 
difficulty feeling the Eggleston work. But even so, there is much to be admired 
in both. Their compositions, their ability to capture the essence of place and 
time. Eggleston happened to use color rather than B&W and was obviously as 
comfortable with the use of color as Adams was with the use of sharp B&W.

Do I "like" Eggleston's work? I am not sure about that but I think so. And I 
did buy the exhibit book and I expect I will spend quite a few hours looking at 
the images. Do I admire his work? Sorta. Am I inspired to try to shot like him? 
No, I would rather find my own way. But for me, the important metric is Will I 
remember his images? And there the answer is Yes. There are a few that stick in 
my mind, and they join a few handfuls of other images I have seen in galleries, 
museums, and PDML books. 

Thanks to Doug (?) who first suggested that exhibit as a Saturday morning 
outing for the group.

stan


On May 12, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Tom C wrote:
> 
>> I think Doug has valid points even though I was not impressed with the
>> bulk of Eggleston's work on display last weekend.
>> 
>> I bow to his knowledge on the subject because he no doubt has a far
>> vaster knowledge of photographic history than I do.
>> 
>> And in the end, even discussing the subject has made me think, which I
>> believe was Doug's intent (or maybe he just likes me better after
>> having met me in person). LOL.
> 
> Tom, perhaps what's bugging you about Eggleston's work subconsciously
> is that same thing that bugs me consciously about it. I'm not an
> Eggleston hater - quite the contrary, I find I have a greater
> appreciation for his work after seeing it in person and in a large
> collection. I see some pretty good ideas at play and some pretty good
> work resulting. What annoys me is the over-glorification of Eggleston
> by the art world. It's as if, after years of dismissing color
> photography, when the art snobs found one color photographer they
> liked they overreacted to the point of near-deification, compensating
> for past oversights by heaping excessive praise on work that didn't
> deserve it.
> 
> In short, I think his work does deserve praise, but not the ridiculous
> adulation it's received from some quarters.
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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Miserere"

Subject: Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago




Summary of how I feel about Eggleston: If Stephen King were given a
camera, he'd take the photographs Eggleston takes.



Having read Stephen King's assessment of how to write horror, I really think 
you have hit pretty close to the bone.


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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago


Wow Tom, your really pressing Doug's buttons.
This is the most he's written to the list in years.

I'm quite enjoying the exchange of ideas.
Both Doug and Tom are photographers whose images I respect at worst, and 
like a whole lot at best. Getting their philosophies as well is huge.


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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[Doug Brewer]

Miserere wrote:

On 12 May 2010 20:51, Mark Roberts  wrote:

Tom, perhaps what's bugging you about Eggleston's work subconsciously
is that same thing that bugs me consciously about it. I'm not an
Eggleston hater - quite the contrary, I find I have a greater
appreciation for his work after seeing it in person and in a large
collection. I see some pretty good ideas at play and some pretty good
work resulting. What annoys me is the over-glorification of Eggleston
by the art world. It's as if, after years of dismissing color
photography, when the art snobs found one color photographer they
liked they overreacted to the point of near-deification, compensating
for past oversights by heaping excessive praise on work that didn't
deserve it.

In short, I think his work does deserve praise, but not the ridiculous
adulation it's received from some quarters.


I think Mark has summed up my feelings here. I've never hated
Eggleston, I just didn't understand why others like him. Like I said a
number of times before Chicago, I really wanted to see the exhibit
because maybe seeing prints and taking time to look at a good chunk of
his work would help me understand. But it didn't. True, there are some
shots in there that I liked, but they were few and far between. When I
remarked to Stan how I quite liked his large portraits out in the
corridor, he said "I hate them, but I love the rest". So I learnt one
thing: Stan is the opposite of me. Ha ha.

I did come away with one thing, though. Like Christine said, Eggleston
has a knack for American Gothic and the bizarre, even if it's not
immediately apparent. Many of his photos had elements that made them
strangely unsettling, like the begining of a Friday the 13th movie,
when all is nice, calm and beautiful, just before Jason comes out and
hacks everyone to pieces. I could see putting a book together with all
of these Eggleston pics (which might have already been done) and
calling it a day. But like Mark said, the Art Snobs just keep going on
and on about it.

Summary of how I feel about Eggleston: If Stephen King were given a
camera, he'd take the photographs Eggleston takes.


  --M.



dang. It's tough being an Art Snob around here.

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Re: JetLag 0, Boris 1

[Anthony Farr]

On 13 May 2010 07:57, Cotty  wrote:
> On 12/5/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>That, my friend, is my mighty pizza muscle.
>
> You should see my beer muscle.
>

That's nothing!  My beer-&-pizza muscle is so well developed that my
jaw needs 2 chins to keep up with demand.

regards,
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The evolution of a photographer

[Fernando]

Some humor:
http://www.f1point0.com/2010/04/19/the-evolution-of-a-photographer/

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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[Miserere]

On 12 May 2010 20:51, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>
> Tom, perhaps what's bugging you about Eggleston's work subconsciously
> is that same thing that bugs me consciously about it. I'm not an
> Eggleston hater - quite the contrary, I find I have a greater
> appreciation for his work after seeing it in person and in a large
> collection. I see some pretty good ideas at play and some pretty good
> work resulting. What annoys me is the over-glorification of Eggleston
> by the art world. It's as if, after years of dismissing color
> photography, when the art snobs found one color photographer they
> liked they overreacted to the point of near-deification, compensating
> for past oversights by heaping excessive praise on work that didn't
> deserve it.
>
> In short, I think his work does deserve praise, but not the ridiculous
> adulation it's received from some quarters.

I think Mark has summed up my feelings here. I've never hated
Eggleston, I just didn't understand why others like him. Like I said a
number of times before Chicago, I really wanted to see the exhibit
because maybe seeing prints and taking time to look at a good chunk of
his work would help me understand. But it didn't. True, there are some
shots in there that I liked, but they were few and far between. When I
remarked to Stan how I quite liked his large portraits out in the
corridor, he said "I hate them, but I love the rest". So I learnt one
thing: Stan is the opposite of me. Ha ha.

I did come away with one thing, though. Like Christine said, Eggleston
has a knack for American Gothic and the bizarre, even if it's not
immediately apparent. Many of his photos had elements that made them
strangely unsettling, like the begining of a Friday the 13th movie,
when all is nice, calm and beautiful, just before Jason comes out and
hacks everyone to pieces. I could see putting a book together with all
of these Eggleston pics (which might have already been done) and
calling it a day. But like Mark said, the Art Snobs just keep going on
and on about it.

Summary of how I feel about Eggleston: If Stephen King were given a
camera, he'd take the photographs Eggleston takes.


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Re: GESO - The Usual Suspects (Chicago)

[Tom C]

So sorry. :-)  Tell her that cameras DO LIE and say it over and over
and over. Then just tell her I'm a crap photographer... OK?

Because they do indeed lie!

Tom

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Tom,
> That gallery is good fun, but I just forwarded the link to my wife.
> Sometimes her sense of humor is weak.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Tom C  wrote:
>> Thanks Chris - glad you approve. :-)
>>
>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Chris Mitchell
>>  wrote:
>>> Excellent Tom. I remember the taking well, but not who took yours. Perhaps 
>>> someone will own up...
>>>
>>> Chris

 From: Tom C 
 Date: 2010/05/12 Wed AM 12:53:24 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
 Subject: GESO - The Usual Suspects (Chicago)

 After pizza Saturday evening we fell out of the joint and took up a
 huge amount of sidewalk space blocking egress into the restaurant
 momentarily.

 It was time to get out the DA 14/2.8. The ladies always remember me,
 first for getting up in their face, and 2nd for the images. I think
 Misere or Boris took the one of me. Does anyone remember? My usually
 eidetic memory fails me.

 Peradventure, these are typical Pentax users.

 Enjoy: http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=967136

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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[Tom C]

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>
> Tom, perhaps what's bugging you about Eggleston's work subconsciously
> is that same thing that bugs me consciously about it. I'm not an
> Eggleston hater - quite the contrary, I find I have a greater
> appreciation for his work after seeing it in person and in a large
> collection. I see some pretty good ideas at play and some pretty good
> work resulting. What annoys me is the over-glorification of Eggleston
> by the art world. It's as if, after years of dismissing color
> photography, when the art snobs found one color photographer they
> liked they overreacted to the point of near-deification, compensating
> for past oversights by heaping excessive praise on work that didn't
> deserve it.
>
> In short, I think his work does deserve praise, but not the ridiculous
> adulation it's received from some quarters.
>

Mark,

Interesting perspective.  I must admit that I've never known there was
a predjudice regarding color photography in it's early days.  I've of
course noticed how black and white is often viewed as art regardless
of the merits of the image, so maybe that's still a leftover from
years ago. I'm sure some still deify B&W.

You're basically right I think.  What annoys me (to the degree I wish
to be comfortably annoyed) is that I think an image should stand or
fall on it's own merits. I saw three images in the Eggleston exhibit
that I felt stood very tall on their own.  I saw a handful of images
that I thought were interesting, but I left feeling much the way I
feel about some of my own images, i.e., if I'm not sure, then "no".
The rest were rejects in my opinion.

So in the end, I think I agree.  I liked some of his work, but I
cannot understand the wholesale carte blanche that appears to be
granted.

Thanks for providing that insight.  It's made me think once again.

Tom C.

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Re: GESO - The Usual Suspects (Chicago)

[Bob Sullivan]

Tom,
That gallery is good fun, but I just forwarded the link to my wife.
Sometimes her sense of humor is weak.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Tom C  wrote:
> Thanks Chris - glad you approve. :-)
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Chris Mitchell
>  wrote:
>> Excellent Tom. I remember the taking well, but not who took yours. Perhaps 
>> someone will own up...
>>
>> Chris
>>>
>>> From: Tom C 
>>> Date: 2010/05/12 Wed AM 12:53:24 GMT
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>> Subject: GESO - The Usual Suspects (Chicago)
>>>
>>> After pizza Saturday evening we fell out of the joint and took up a
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>>> Misere or Boris took the one of me. Does anyone remember? My usually
>>> eidetic memory fails me.
>>>
>>> Peradventure, these are typical Pentax users.
>>>
>>> Enjoy: http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=967136
>>>
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Re: Peso Freezing at the horse show

[Jack Davis]

Loyal, supportive, close relatives to a horse owner. Bless 'em! :={

Jack

--- On Wed, 5/12/10, David J Brooks  wrote:

> From: David J Brooks 
> Subject: Peso Freezing at the horse show
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" , 
> "Harry Bolton" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 4:15 PM
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11005294
> 
> First out door show this past Sunday. Really cold and
> windy, snow
> earlier in the AM.
> 
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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[Mark Roberts]

Tom C wrote:

>I think Doug has valid points even though I was not impressed with the
>bulk of Eggleston's work on display last weekend.
>
>I bow to his knowledge on the subject because he no doubt has a far
>vaster knowledge of photographic history than I do.
>
>And in the end, even discussing the subject has made me think, which I
>believe was Doug's intent (or maybe he just likes me better after
>having met me in person). LOL.

Tom, perhaps what's bugging you about Eggleston's work subconsciously
is that same thing that bugs me consciously about it. I'm not an
Eggleston hater - quite the contrary, I find I have a greater
appreciation for his work after seeing it in person and in a large
collection. I see some pretty good ideas at play and some pretty good
work resulting. What annoys me is the over-glorification of Eggleston
by the art world. It's as if, after years of dismissing color
photography, when the art snobs found one color photographer they
liked they overreacted to the point of near-deification, compensating
for past oversights by heaping excessive praise on work that didn't
deserve it.

In short, I think his work does deserve praise, but not the ridiculous
adulation it's received from some quarters.

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Re: GESO - The Usual Suspects (Chicago)

[Tom C]

Thanks Chris - glad you approve. :-)

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Chris Mitchell
 wrote:
> Excellent Tom. I remember the taking well, but not who took yours. Perhaps 
> someone will own up...
>
> Chris
>>
>> From: Tom C 
>> Date: 2010/05/12 Wed AM 12:53:24 GMT
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: GESO - The Usual Suspects (Chicago)
>>
>> After pizza Saturday evening we fell out of the joint and took up a
>> huge amount of sidewalk space blocking egress into the restaurant
>> momentarily.
>>
>> It was time to get out the DA 14/2.8. The ladies always remember me,
>> first for getting up in their face, and 2nd for the images. I think
>> Misere or Boris took the one of me. Does anyone remember? My usually
>> eidetic memory fails me.
>>
>> Peradventure, these are typical Pentax users.
>>
>> Enjoy: http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=967136
>>
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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[Tom C]

I think Doug has valid points even though I was not impressed with the
bulk of Eggleston's work on display last weekend.

I bow to his knowledge on the subject because he no doubt has a far
vaster knowledge of photographic history than I do.

And in the end, even discussing the subject has made me think, which I
believe was Doug's intent (or maybe he just likes me better after
having met me in person). LOL.

Tom

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Wow Tom, your really pressing Doug's buttons.
> This is the most he's written to the list in years.
> Regards,  Bob S.   :-)
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
>> Tom C wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Doug,  (take everything I say as not an argument, but more or less
>>> musing)
>>>
>>> I don't know the history of Eggleston or how/why he became famous.

 From the exhibit I saw, I suspect either some beatniks in a coffehouse
>>>
>>> somewhere or some art professors who talk vs. do, were looking for
>>> deeper meaning and stared at some photographs long enough until they
>>> thought that they'd found it.  Realizing he could achieve fame and/or
>>> money by doing more of the same he set out to deliver what the
>>> 'intellectuals' wanted.
>>
>> You're going to play the populist card?
>>
>> If it weren't for Eggleston, Stephen Shore, and Joel Meyerowitz, and their
>> pioneering color work, we'd probably all still be out looking for Saint
>> Ansel's tripod marks and f/64ing the hell out of our monochrome emulsions,
>> because no serious photographer would ever shoot in color.
>>
>> Like it or not, critical and curatorial judgment affects what we do. Edward
>> Hopper would have been laughed out of any number of salons and local art
>> clubs, but someone had to decide his work was good. Monet, Gauguin, , Walker
>> Evans, the list is endless. People who produced work that was not in keeping
>> with the prevailing style. Someone stepped up and said hey wait, this is
>> good. Then that stuff goes on to influence whoever came next, either in
>> agreement or opposition.
>>
>> Of course, it can go bad. I don't care for what Andy Warhol did, but I
>> understand what he was saying, and somewhat agree.
>>
>>>
>>> The above may not be true, but it's the sense I get, because if I were
>>> to show a similar set of photographs, which would be quite easy to
>>> produce, I'd be uniformly chastized.
>>
>> Sounds like a challenge to me. Go ahead. Make a gallery of Eggleston-like
>> photos. But do keep in mind, and this is key: subject matter plays but a
>> supporting role in the work. Color is everything.
>>
>> But don't do it for my amusement. Do it as a challenge to yourself. Get out
>> of your photographic comfort zone and see how easy or hard it is to produce
>> usable work in a different style.
>>
>>>
>>> If a person deliberately sets about shooting in what I'd call a
>>> 'crappy snaphot style', is it good because it was deliberate as
>>> opposed to haphazard?  Or is it good because it reminds people of the
>>> way things were in years gone by and hence evokes an emotion?
>>>
>>> I called his photographs crappy because I found them largely devoid of
>>> any discernible style or intent, and I did not find them aesthetically
>>> pleasing.  I did not enjoy the majority of them individually nor did I
>>> see any cohesiveness as a group. If that was what he was shooting for,
>>> he achieved it.
>>
>> Well, they do have a discernible style; He doesn't shoot like anyone else.
>> Intent is there, but you (generic you) have to be open to it.
>>
>>
>>> Yes, I deliberately tried NOT to articulate the reasons why I would
>>> consider a photograph good, and leave it open to interpretation.  :-)
>>>
>>> Why? Because I KNOW, that sure as grass is green, if I elaborate on
>>> some specific criteria that someone will argue the opposite or the
>>> exception, and point out to me (as if I'm a total idiot) that I cannot
>>> be the sole arbiter of what makes a good photograph (and I can't).  So
>>> I did not fall into the trap.  :-)
>>
>> I don't think anyone thinks you're an idiot. Remember, I'm carrying the
>> minority flag on this. If anyone looks foolish, it's me, and I'm quite
>> accustomed to it. You've met me. Do you really think I'm allowed out in
>> public that often?
>>
>>>
>>> I do however agree with your statements above.  The formula for making
>>> a good photograph is wide and varied, and we can easily become trapped
>>> in our formulaic way of seeing and producing. That, in essence,
>>> probably becomes our style, but it's certainly good to keep an open
>>> mind and consider that our subject at the time could posiibly benefit
>>> from a different approach than our norm.
>>
>> Yes, I like to call it working the subject.
>>
>>>
 The same can be said for how we view photographs. We like best those that
 are like what we shoot, as photographers. The trick is to separate our
 photographer selves from our viewer selves and go from there. Can we do

Re: My Chicago photos (slide show with music, pre alpha)

[paul stenquist]

I don't think I can open exe files on my mac. Would love to see the gallery.
Paul

On May 12, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Tom C wrote:

> That was my feeling as well, not to be critical, but I think a regular
> gallery would be better and more universally accessible...
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> Boris,
>> I'm reluctant to download an executable from anyone.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>> 
>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> Presently it contains 54 photos and music "Paintings" by Space. I
>>> still need to work on it make it fit the length of a sound track,
>>> however if you want to get a sense of what the final version will
>>> contain please download it from here:
>>> 
>>> http://liberman-family.com/boris/chicago_2010/chicago_pdml.exe
>>> 
>>> This is executable (sorry, only Windows) that I made with the help of
>>> FSViewer...
>>> 
>>> Any comments will be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> P.S. From time to time I will upload a new version but the URL will
>>> remain the same.
>>> 
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Re: My Chicago photos (slide show with music, pre alpha)

[Tom C]

That was my feeling as well, not to be critical, but I think a regular
gallery would be better and more universally accessible...

Tom

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Boris,
> I'm reluctant to download an executable from anyone.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Presently it contains 54 photos and music "Paintings" by Space. I
>> still need to work on it make it fit the length of a sound track,
>> however if you want to get a sense of what the final version will
>> contain please download it from here:
>>
>> http://liberman-family.com/boris/chicago_2010/chicago_pdml.exe
>>
>> This is executable (sorry, only Windows) that I made with the help of
>> FSViewer...
>>
>> Any comments will be appreciated.
>>
>> P.S. From time to time I will upload a new version but the URL will
>> remain the same.
>>
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Re: Chicago Double Whammy

[paul stenquist]

On May 12, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> I think I can arrange US visas for my daughters for such an occasion ;-).

I'm counting on it!
Paul
> 
> On 5/6/2010 4:01 PM, Cotty wrote:
>> On 6/5/10, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> Your *double whammy* is a *double bummer*, Paul.  I think our next PDML
>>> outing is just going to have to be near you, so we can all meet you  :-).
>> 
>> Party at Pauls! Party at Pauls! :)
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Re: Canon S90 Remarks

[Miserere]

On 12 May 2010 19:27, George Sinos  wrote:
> Hi Tim and Miserere
>
> The S90 is a great little camera.  Just a couple of notes.
>
> You most likely shoot RAW, but if you use JPG, Canon's default
> compression is is the mid-level that they call "fine."  I'm guessing
> you would prefer "superfine."  To change it, you need to move from
> Auto to Program.  They don't even give you the option in auto.
>
> The local Canon expert says that Canon assumes that most of their
> point and shoot customers share photos in email and, if they print at
> all,  never make anything larger than a 4x6 print.  I guess they feel
> the smaller file size is more important.
>
> As for the oddities of Auto - a lot of the camera makers disable a
> variety of features in auto.  They feel they are protecting their
> customers from accidentally changing settings that would give them
> worse than average photos.
>
> George Sinos

George,

You are correct on all counts. The S90 offers advanced features for
us, ahem, advanced photographers, but Canon makes sure the camera will
be capable of working correctly if a rich idiot buys it too. No reason
not to collect money from the rich idiots if they're already
collecting it from us poor idiots.


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Re: PESO squatters

[Bruce Walker]

Madame RD wrote:
they settled uninvited in my flowerpots but I quite like them and i'm 
disappointed when they don't show up .


http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4601435482/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4601436298/in/photostream/

not a squatter but hadn't shown a flower until now .
http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4600818825/

about time i posted some pictures ...

dominique


Nice!  These tiny delicate flowers are too easy to miss when the bigger, 
showier flowers are out.


You've broken the ice now, Dominique.  Keep the pix coming! :)

-bmw

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Re: Canon S90 Remarks

[George Sinos]

Hi Tim and Miserere

The S90 is a great little camera.  Just a couple of notes.

You most likely shoot RAW, but if you use JPG, Canon's default
compression is is the mid-level that they call "fine."  I'm guessing
you would prefer "superfine."  To change it, you need to move from
Auto to Program.  They don't even give you the option in auto.

The local Canon expert says that Canon assumes that most of their
point and shoot customers share photos in email and, if they print at
all,  never make anything larger than a 4x6 print.  I guess they feel
the smaller file size is more important.

As for the oddities of Auto - a lot of the camera makers disable a
variety of features in auto.  They feel they are protecting their
customers from accidentally changing settings that would give them
worse than average photos.

George Sinos

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> I don't think many will come to love it, but it's still remarkably
> handy: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/05/11/Canon-S90-Notes
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Re: Peso Old Ballantrae farm house.

[Bob Sullivan]

That roof looks too damned good!
Regards,  Bob S.

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> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11005290
>
> Went out for a drive last Sunday, really crappy day, but, bad weather
> makes:-)
>
> This is an old farm house, one of the original in the area, i'm trying
> to find the story done on this.
>
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Peso Freezing at the horse show

[David J Brooks]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11005294

First out door show this past Sunday. Really cold and windy, snow
earlier in the AM.

K10D, D AF 50-200

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Peso Old Ballantrae farm house.

[David J Brooks]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11005290

Went out for a drive last Sunday, really crappy day, but, bad weather
makes:-)

This is an old farm house, one of the original in the area, i'm trying
to find the story done on this.

K10D, D AF 50-200

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Re: software misfeature of the K-x

[Steve Sharpe]

At 8:10 AM -0700 5/12/10, Larry Colen wrote:
On Monday night I was photographing a dance and was having a really 
rough time with exposure. I was shooting in manual mode, I'd take a 
picture, then the next time I shot, the exposure was way off.  Or it 
would change.  It took me a while to realize that I had left the 
shutter in "bracket".


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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[Bob Sullivan]

Excuses, excuses.
We always like to hear what you have to say.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> Wow Tom, your really pressing Doug's buttons.
>> This is the most he's written to the list in years.
>> Regards,  Bob S.   :-)
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> I'm between sessions and don't have to shoot anything until tomorrow.
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Re: Chigago, This Time with Pictures

[Bob Sullivan]

Bill,
It was a very pleasant surprise to see you at the opening!
Next time you've got to stay longer.
I really enjoyed the link to your family bagpipes.  (I own bagpipe records.)
And it was nice to see your gallery of Chicago.
It's fun to see others photos of a place you know well.
We must have missed just missed you on Navy Pier.
Boris has some shots of the same cloud with the John Hancock sticking thru it.
And I see you still like girls in leather boots.
I like the river shots and the Marina City boats by the House of Blues.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:44 AM, William Robb  wrote:
> Second attempt.
>
> A week or so before leaving for this trip, I borrowed a little point and
> shoot from a friend, with the intention of traveling light.
> A little Panasonic with a Leica lens.
> The name "Leica" sold me for obvious reasons.
> I don't know anything about it other than how to run it on something called
> "Intelligent Automatic" and manual.
> And it's lens is a 24-60/2.0 equivalent.
> I presume equivalent to a lens on a 35mm camera.
> I don't know, but it seemed fairly wide angle.
> It's lens is also quite good.
> But this isn't a camera review, this is a total fuck up by someone who
> drinks too much.
> But, as always, I digress.
>
> Doug, you really should have come for pizza on Saturday.
> If we do this again, we should probably arrange our hotels to be closer.
> I hope we do this again.
>
> It's funny, the things that we do, and the things that happen. On Saturday,
> Tom and I hooked up with Stan, and we did somewhat of a tourist gig at the
> Bean, a large chrome thing.
> By good fortune, this coincided with a Scottish Pipe Band playing Scotland
> the Brave passingly well.
>
> I believe I mentioned at the time the existence of my family's pipe band.
> This is them:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GY-2MxMn2c&feature=related
>
>
> OK, we'll see how many have been scared off by the bagpipes.
>
> And on to the things that happen.
> Last year at about this time, I was playing tug with my dog. At some point,
> he hit my knee with his body and bent it sideways.
> I am now somewhat lame.
> On several levels, I am sure, but in this case, I can only stand up for so
> long before I need to find a place to sit.
> But as always, I digress yet again.
>
> Oh yes, I was hanging out with Tom and Stan.
> And my knee said screw you, I am now going to torment you until you cry like
> a girl.
> And so we found a little coffee shop and Stan, Tom and I talked about many
> things.
> Stan, it turns out, is a lover of Great Danes, and at one time was thinking
> about breeding
> them.
> And so we talked about dogs for a while.
> And Stan told us about a fellow that turns entire towns into his studio.
> Which had nothing to do with dogs, but that isn't important.
> None of this is.
> And then we went off again into the rather chilly Chicago afternoon.
> Eventually wandering away, Stan going off to do whatever he was off to, Tom
> and I wandered back to the art gallery where we carefully avoided Eggleston,
> in favour of old Chinese Pottery and Renaissance Italian painters.
> I should have stuck with the Eggleston. All that happened was my knee
> started to hurt again and the only place to sit was outside that gallery.
>
> OK, now we'll see how many have been scared off by my long winded
> writing
>
> As the subject line says, there are pictures. Fifty three of them, in fact.
>
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/gesos/chicago/index.html
>
> Next time I come to Chicago, I'll bring a real camera and some lenses.
>
> William Robb
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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[Doug Brewer]

Bob Sullivan wrote:

Wow Tom, your really pressing Doug's buttons.
This is the most he's written to the list in years.
Regards,  Bob S.   :-)


I'm between sessions and don't have to shoot anything until tomorrow.


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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

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Wow Tom, your really pressing Doug's buttons.
This is the most he's written to the list in years.
Regards,  Bob S.   :-)

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> Tom C wrote:
>>
>> Hi Doug,  (take everything I say as not an argument, but more or less
>> musing)
>>
>> I don't know the history of Eggleston or how/why he became famous.
>>>
>>> From the exhibit I saw, I suspect either some beatniks in a coffehouse
>>
>> somewhere or some art professors who talk vs. do, were looking for
>> deeper meaning and stared at some photographs long enough until they
>> thought that they'd found it.  Realizing he could achieve fame and/or
>> money by doing more of the same he set out to deliver what the
>> 'intellectuals' wanted.
>
> You're going to play the populist card?
>
> If it weren't for Eggleston, Stephen Shore, and Joel Meyerowitz, and their
> pioneering color work, we'd probably all still be out looking for Saint
> Ansel's tripod marks and f/64ing the hell out of our monochrome emulsions,
> because no serious photographer would ever shoot in color.
>
> Like it or not, critical and curatorial judgment affects what we do. Edward
> Hopper would have been laughed out of any number of salons and local art
> clubs, but someone had to decide his work was good. Monet, Gauguin, , Walker
> Evans, the list is endless. People who produced work that was not in keeping
> with the prevailing style. Someone stepped up and said hey wait, this is
> good. Then that stuff goes on to influence whoever came next, either in
> agreement or opposition.
>
> Of course, it can go bad. I don't care for what Andy Warhol did, but I
> understand what he was saying, and somewhat agree.
>
>>
>> The above may not be true, but it's the sense I get, because if I were
>> to show a similar set of photographs, which would be quite easy to
>> produce, I'd be uniformly chastized.
>
> Sounds like a challenge to me. Go ahead. Make a gallery of Eggleston-like
> photos. But do keep in mind, and this is key: subject matter plays but a
> supporting role in the work. Color is everything.
>
> But don't do it for my amusement. Do it as a challenge to yourself. Get out
> of your photographic comfort zone and see how easy or hard it is to produce
> usable work in a different style.
>
>>
>> If a person deliberately sets about shooting in what I'd call a
>> 'crappy snaphot style', is it good because it was deliberate as
>> opposed to haphazard?  Or is it good because it reminds people of the
>> way things were in years gone by and hence evokes an emotion?
>>
>> I called his photographs crappy because I found them largely devoid of
>> any discernible style or intent, and I did not find them aesthetically
>> pleasing.  I did not enjoy the majority of them individually nor did I
>> see any cohesiveness as a group. If that was what he was shooting for,
>> he achieved it.
>
> Well, they do have a discernible style; He doesn't shoot like anyone else.
> Intent is there, but you (generic you) have to be open to it.
>
>
>> Yes, I deliberately tried NOT to articulate the reasons why I would
>> consider a photograph good, and leave it open to interpretation.  :-)
>>
>> Why? Because I KNOW, that sure as grass is green, if I elaborate on
>> some specific criteria that someone will argue the opposite or the
>> exception, and point out to me (as if I'm a total idiot) that I cannot
>> be the sole arbiter of what makes a good photograph (and I can't).  So
>> I did not fall into the trap.  :-)
>
> I don't think anyone thinks you're an idiot. Remember, I'm carrying the
> minority flag on this. If anyone looks foolish, it's me, and I'm quite
> accustomed to it. You've met me. Do you really think I'm allowed out in
> public that often?
>
>>
>> I do however agree with your statements above.  The formula for making
>> a good photograph is wide and varied, and we can easily become trapped
>> in our formulaic way of seeing and producing. That, in essence,
>> probably becomes our style, but it's certainly good to keep an open
>> mind and consider that our subject at the time could posiibly benefit
>> from a different approach than our norm.
>
> Yes, I like to call it working the subject.
>
>>
>>> The same can be said for how we view photographs. We like best those that
>>> are like what we shoot, as photographers. The trick is to separate our
>>> photographer selves from our viewer selves and go from there. Can we do
>>> it?
>>> Can we look at other photographs, or do the years seeing the world
>>> through a
>>> viewfinder ruin that for us?
>>
>> It should not ruin it for us, but as individuals we all have
>> preferences and tastes in both subject and style. Certainly we can
>> learn by trying to see thinngs differently than our own personal norm.
>
> Yes. Again, it doesn't matter to me if you or any else likes what I like.
> What I am intensely curious about is how other people see.
>>
>> Tom C.
>>
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Re: geso - Chicago

[Larry Colen]

On 5/12/2010 3:20 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:

Sasha Sobol wrote:

http://flickriver.com/photos/sobol/tags/chicago/

--Sasha



Sorry I didn't respond sooner, Sasha. I was busy erasing any trace of my
sanity.

I very much enjoyed these. That shot of Jostein is classic, and the one
of Meg, Stan, Larry, and Christine is just luminous.


Sasha,

What happened to that portrait you showed me of Meg against the yellow?

That was a wonderful shot. Or at least it seemed so on the back of your 
camera.







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Re: PESO - After the Storm

[Cotty]

 > Wow! I leica.

 'Sony a wave.

>>>
>>>Rolleing onto shore.
>>
>> Scary, makes me want my mamiya.
>
>I canon take this any more

You've had a nikon the head boy.


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Re: geso - Chicago

[Doug Brewer]

Sasha Sobol wrote:

http://flickriver.com/photos/sobol/tags/chicago/

--Sasha



Sorry I didn't respond sooner, Sasha. I was busy erasing any trace of my 
sanity.


I very much enjoyed these. That shot of Jostein is classic, and the one 
of Meg, Stan, Larry, and Christine is just luminous.


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Re: geso - Chicago

[David J Brooks]

Very nice Thanks for sharing

Dave

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Re: PESO - After the Storm

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On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Cotty  wrote:
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>>> > Wow! I leica.
>>>
>>> 'Sony a wave.
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>>Rolleing onto shore.
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> Scary, makes me want my mamiya.

I canon take this any more

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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[Doug Brewer]

Tom C wrote:

Hi Doug,  (take everything I say as not an argument, but more or less musing)

I don't know the history of Eggleston or how/why he became famous.

From the exhibit I saw, I suspect either some beatniks in a coffehouse

somewhere or some art professors who talk vs. do, were looking for
deeper meaning and stared at some photographs long enough until they
thought that they'd found it.  Realizing he could achieve fame and/or
money by doing more of the same he set out to deliver what the
'intellectuals' wanted.


You're going to play the populist card?

If it weren't for Eggleston, Stephen Shore, and Joel Meyerowitz, and 
their pioneering color work, we'd probably all still be out looking for 
Saint Ansel's tripod marks and f/64ing the hell out of our monochrome 
emulsions, because no serious photographer would ever shoot in color.


Like it or not, critical and curatorial judgment affects what we do. 
Edward Hopper would have been laughed out of any number of salons and 
local art clubs, but someone had to decide his work was good. Monet, 
Gauguin, , Walker Evans, the list is endless. People who produced work 
that was not in keeping with the prevailing style. Someone stepped up 
and said hey wait, this is good. Then that stuff goes on to influence 
whoever came next, either in agreement or opposition.


Of course, it can go bad. I don't care for what Andy Warhol did, but I 
understand what he was saying, and somewhat agree.




The above may not be true, but it's the sense I get, because if I were
to show a similar set of photographs, which would be quite easy to
produce, I'd be uniformly chastized.


Sounds like a challenge to me. Go ahead. Make a gallery of 
Eggleston-like photos. But do keep in mind, and this is key: subject 
matter plays but a supporting role in the work. Color is everything.


But don't do it for my amusement. Do it as a challenge to yourself. Get 
out of your photographic comfort zone and see how easy or hard it is to 
produce usable work in a different style.




If a person deliberately sets about shooting in what I'd call a
'crappy snaphot style', is it good because it was deliberate as
opposed to haphazard?  Or is it good because it reminds people of the
way things were in years gone by and hence evokes an emotion?

I called his photographs crappy because I found them largely devoid of
any discernible style or intent, and I did not find them aesthetically
pleasing.  I did not enjoy the majority of them individually nor did I
see any cohesiveness as a group. If that was what he was shooting for,
he achieved it.


Well, they do have a discernible style; He doesn't shoot like anyone 
else. Intent is there, but you (generic you) have to be open to it.




Yes, I deliberately tried NOT to articulate the reasons why I would
consider a photograph good, and leave it open to interpretation.  :-)

Why? Because I KNOW, that sure as grass is green, if I elaborate on
some specific criteria that someone will argue the opposite or the
exception, and point out to me (as if I'm a total idiot) that I cannot
be the sole arbiter of what makes a good photograph (and I can't).  So
I did not fall into the trap.  :-)


I don't think anyone thinks you're an idiot. Remember, I'm carrying the 
minority flag on this. If anyone looks foolish, it's me, and I'm quite 
accustomed to it. You've met me. Do you really think I'm allowed out in 
public that often?




I do however agree with your statements above.  The formula for making
a good photograph is wide and varied, and we can easily become trapped
in our formulaic way of seeing and producing. That, in essence,
probably becomes our style, but it's certainly good to keep an open
mind and consider that our subject at the time could posiibly benefit
from a different approach than our norm.


Yes, I like to call it working the subject.




The same can be said for how we view photographs. We like best those that
are like what we shoot, as photographers. The trick is to separate our
photographer selves from our viewer selves and go from there. Can we do it?
Can we look at other photographs, or do the years seeing the world through a
viewfinder ruin that for us?


It should not ruin it for us, but as individuals we all have
preferences and tastes in both subject and style. Certainly we can
learn by trying to see thinngs differently than our own personal norm.


Yes. Again, it doesn't matter to me if you or any else likes what I 
like. What I am intensely curious about is how other people see.


Tom C.




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Re: WEBCAM Video of Chicago Exhibition

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> May I ask why Florac in Lozere   ?  .. goodness ! you can't imagine how
> far it is for a Parisian   just joking of course 
> thanks ßob . not sure I can but it would be nice .. .
>
>
> dominique

it is even further for a Londoner than it is for a Parisian, believe me!
If I had thought about how to get there before I booked everything perhaps
I would have chosen somewhere else for my holiday. I have to catch the
Eurostar to Paris, cross Paris to catch the TGV to Clermont Ferrand, then
take a 3-hour bus trip to Mende, then get a taxi to Florac because there
is only one bus per week! How I'll manage with the bicycle, the double
bass and the great Dane I don't know.

But why Florac?I had originally thought of cycling the Loire to its source
in the Auvergne, but that proved impractical in the time, so I started
planning to stay in the Auvergne, inspired by some books. I discussed this
with some French friends who independently recommended the Cevennes
instead, so I booked a gite in a good place  (Florac) for walking and
cycling. But I neglected to  check first on how to get there with my bike.
So I will leave the bike here and hire one when I arrive.




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Re: software misfeature of the K-x

[Larry Colen]

On 5/12/2010 2:55 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Wed, 12 May 2010 18:27 +0200, "Dario Bonazza"
  wrote:

I've set my K20D so that it takes all bracketing shots with a single push
on
the release button (Custom Setting #8) and the K-7 can also act that way
(Custom Setting #7).





On the K200D, one press of the shutter release takes all three
exposures.  In fact that seems to be the only way it operates - there's
no custom function that I can find to change it, unlike on the K20D and
K7.

Larry, is there no custom function on your K-x to change the way
bracketing operates?


That lack is exactly what I was complaining of. I'll space and leave the 
K20 in bracket mode, but realize it after the first shot. At least I now 
know the symptoms of doing that on the K-x, such as the shutter speed 
blinking in the display.


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Re: My Chicago photos (slide show with music, pre alpha)

[Bob Sullivan]

Boris,
I'm reluctant to download an executable from anyone.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Presently it contains 54 photos and music "Paintings" by Space. I
> still need to work on it make it fit the length of a sound track,
> however if you want to get a sense of what the final version will
> contain please download it from here:
>
> http://liberman-family.com/boris/chicago_2010/chicago_pdml.exe
>
> This is executable (sorry, only Windows) that I made with the help of
> FSViewer...
>
> Any comments will be appreciated.
>
> P.S. From time to time I will upload a new version but the URL will
> remain the same.
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Re: JetLag 0, Boris 1

[Cotty]

On 12/5/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>That, my friend, is my mighty pizza muscle.

You should see my beer muscle.

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Mini PDML Paris

[Cotty]

On 12/5/10, Christian Skofteland, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Speaking of Paris...  I'll actually be in Paris for two weeks (for work)
>starting May 16th.
>Send me an off-list email if you want to try to get together for a few
>hours some afternoon.
>Cotty is actually trying to show up for a day next week.

I am :) but it's 50/50 whether it will actually happen :(

I'm waiting for a large invoice to be paid and I thought it might be
this week, but looking unlikely now, more likely next week. If it's
early next week we're in business :) If later next week we're not :(

Oh the joys of running a business.

On the chance that I do get paid in time, looking at an evening get-
together for a meal, either Friday the 21st or Saturday the 22nd. If I
can make it, I plan to arrive Thursday the 20th for 2 nights. Christian
is committed (well we knew that didn't we) during the days so it's
evening-only for him. However, for anyone else let's walk-n-snap?

I'm sorry I can't give a 100% at this time but c'est la vie unh?

All welcome, even Ralph wearing a hat made out of an umbrella.


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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[Larry Colen]

Tom C wrote:

As I said, I think the PDML exhibit in Chicago was a far better
collection of images than the Eggleston exhibit. That's my opinion.
For instance I saw nothing artistic or good about the photographs of a
pile of garbage or the black porcelain interior of an oven.
  
There were half a dozen to a dozen photos at Eggleston that I really 
liked.  While I can empathize with his finding beauty in the mundane, 
those photos work better on their own than mixed in with 150 others.


Also, our photos had the advantage of each photographer going through a 
year's worth of photos to pick their three best from the year. Then Mark 
went through those and picked one or two of their best. Then Sue went 
through and picked 45 of those. So each photograph was by some measure, 
the best of the best of the best.


Meanwhile, Eggleston had something like 30 from one day in Carter's 
hometown.  I don't care who you are, nobody in one day is going to crank 
out 30 photos of the caliber of most of the pictures in the PDML 
exhibition. Maybe none of our best photos match Eggleston's best, and 
maybe he'll get 30 in a year of the quality that we aspire to get a few 
of each year, but of those 30, I'd say that there were maybe three worth 
showing. Granted, his goal wasn't 30 great shots, it was a set to convey 
the feeling of that one town.


Another advantage that we had is the 40 or so years of state of the art, 
both artistic and technologic between when his pictures were taken and 
when ours were. I don't know if I could do what he did, using the 
equipment that he did. I've also had the benefit of looking at pictures 
taken by people who have looked at all the pictures taken between then 
and now. 

It's probably easier to define a bad photograph as opposed to a good one.

A bad photograph is one that a person sees once and never cares to
look at again.
  


Unless the photo was meant to evoke a negative response, perhaps like 
the famous one of the vietnamese officer executing a prisoner. The 
reason someone may not want to see it again could have everything to do 
with what makes it a great photo.

Tom C.

  



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Re: software misfeature of the K-x

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On Wed, 12 May 2010 18:27 +0200, "Dario Bonazza"
 wrote:
> I've set my K20D so that it takes all bracketing shots with a single push
> on 
> the release button (Custom Setting #8) and the K-7 can also act that way 
> (Custom Setting #7).
> 



On the K200D, one press of the shutter release takes all three
exposures.  In fact that seems to be the only way it operates - there's
no custom function that I can find to change it, unlike on the K20D and
K7.

Larry, is there no custom function on your K-x to change the way
bracketing operates?


Cheers

Brian

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Re: PESO - After the Storm

[Cotty]

>> > Wow! I leica.
>>
>> 'Sony a wave.
>>
>
>Rolleing onto shore.

Scary, makes me want my mamiya.


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Re: PESO squatters

[Cotty]

On 12/5/10, Madame RD, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4601435482/

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Re: JetLag 0, Boris 1

[Larry Colen]

Cotty wrote:

On 12/5/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

  

I ended up consoling myself with Giordano's pizza.



I still love you man, and I've never even met you. Seen your stomach on
a webcam sure, but never met you.
  


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Re: JetLag 0, Boris 1

[Cotty]

On 12/5/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I ended up consoling myself with Giordano's pizza.

I still love you man, and I've never even met you. Seen your stomach on
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Re: My Chicago photos (slide show with music, pre alpha)

[AlunFoto]

Boris, how big is the file?
Jostein

2010/5/12 Boris Liberman :
> Hi!
>
> Presently it contains 54 photos and music "Paintings" by Space. I
> still need to work on it make it fit the length of a sound track,
> however if you want to get a sense of what the final version will
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>
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>
> This is executable (sorry, only Windows) that I made with the help of
> FSViewer...
>
> Any comments will be appreciated.
>
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> remain the same.
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Re: Worth selling the K10D if I'm getting the K7?

[Ken Waller]

Well I'd like to buy my wife a K-x so I can use it.


MARK!

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From: "Bob Sullivan" 


Subject: Re: Worth selling the K10D if I'm getting the K7?


Well I'd like to buy my wife a K-x so I can use it.   :-)  Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

Well, you're wrong, mister ;-). If you'd written something like: "When
on the walk with my daughter, I don't want to have to haul too much
weight 'cause I am too lazy" then I might have agreed with you ;-).

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Miserere  wrote:

Translation: Having seen a K-x in Chicago makes me wanna buy myself a
new backup camera...


--M.


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Re: geso - Chicago

[Larry Colen]

Sasha Sobol wrote:

http://flickriver.com/photos/sobol/tags/chicago/
  

Nice set!

I love that shot of Jostein.  I assume that the shots with the blurry 
outside were done with the lensbaby?

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Re: GESO: My Chicago

[Bob Sullivan]

Tim,

I think you're the only pdml'er I didn't meet on Friday...tall guy in
the back of the room???  I'm sorry about that.  I enjoyed your gallery
and am especially happy you found the restaurant on the 95th floor of
the John Hancock Building.  Lunch there is the most economic way to
enjoy the view without having to pay for the entrance fee to the
observation deck.  And because it's so close to the lake, the view is
spectacular - much better than the observation deck on the Sears
(Willis) tower.

I like the first shot in your gallery for the height it conveys and
the way you use the adjacent building to focus attention on the
subject.  I think you got around some and picked up on some of the old
iron and structures around town.  The Banksy is a great find.  I never
knew about it.  And I hadn't seen our Picasso 'horse' in hockey
headgear, but we have a history of dressing our sculptures up for the
playoffs.  ;-)

Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> My trip to Chicago was relatively unsuccessful aside from the couple
> of hours I got to spend with the PDMLers, but I did manage to take a
> couple of snaps that avoided the quick cull.  The slide-show is at
> http://www.tbray.org/pdml/Chicago-May-2010/ (only 8) but since I can't
> figure out how to make Lightroom put individual labels on its
> slideshow output, here are the ones that deserve a little more
> comment:
>
> >From the restaurant on the 95th floor of the Hancock - instead of
> paying $15 and up to look at the view from the observatory, you can
> buy a very decent lunch for about the same unless you drink which I
> did of course and the view is really extraordinary:
> http://www.tbray.org/pdml/Chicago-May-2010/content/PS089239_large.html
>
> I'm pretty sure this is a Banksy, the first live one I've ever seen:
> http://www.tbray.org/pdml/Chicago-May-2010/content/PS089241_large.html
>
> The big Picasso downtown, dressed for the hockey playoffs:
> http://www.tbray.org/pdml/Chicago-May-2010/content/PS089257_large.html
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>  -Tim
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Re: GESO - PDML Refusés

[Doug Franklin]

Here are mine:

The one that was selected:
http://NutDriver.org/AtTheReady.jpg

The ones that weren't:
http://NutDriver.org/CleaningCrew.jpg
http://NutDriver.org/HotAssist.jpg

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Re: JetLag 0, Boris 1

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-05-12 9:49, Boris Liberman wrote:


Presently I feel ever so slightly tired but nothing to really worry about.


That's the way I've always done it:

1.  Sleep on the flight if possible (always possible for me)
2.  Don't sleep at the destination until (almost) my regular time
3.  Eat all meals at destination on destination time, starting as soon 
as I land


Doing it this way, especially going east, I'm a bit tired the next day, 
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Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion

[Bruce Walker]

Doug Franklin wrote:

On 2010-05-11 21:41, William Robb wrote:


For myself, it was a terrific opportunity to get my work out there, even
in a relatively small way.


Had my shot been selected, I would've gladly paid just to have the print 
that Mark made. :-)  I'm not wholly joking, here.  Sure, it would've 
been nice to have my work "out there", but it's very likely that my 
largest benefit would've been a beautiful Mark-print. :-)


I'm looking forward very much to seeing my own personal Markachrome. :)

I wish I could have seen it in the context of all the other wonderful 
prints, but I'll settle for my one-off.  I just hope the shipping fee 
isn't too bank-breaking.


-bmw

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Re: software misfeature of the K-x

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Untrue, David. Take apart a Pentax K10D shutter/mirror/iris actuation
assembly sometime and you'll see how it's put together. It's not
servos ... it's springs and levers. As are virtually all SLR shutter
assemblies.

My friend at the local camera repair shop has them apart on the bench
all the time. I haven't seen one yet with servo actuation setup to
mirror, shutter and iris actuator.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:20 AM, David Parsons  wrote:
> Mirror, shutter, and aperture control are not mechanically linked in
> modern dSLRs.  They are separately actuated using servos.


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Re: Worth selling the K10D if I'm getting the K7?

[Tom C]

I've kept my K20D after getting a K-7, but only because I'm too busy
or lazy to sell it.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Well I'd like to buy my wife a K-x so I can use it.   :-)  Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Well, you're wrong, mister ;-). If you'd written something like: "When
>> on the walk with my daughter, I don't want to have to haul too much
>> weight 'cause I am too lazy" then I might have agreed with you ;-).
>>
>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Miserere  wrote:
>>> Translation: Having seen a K-x in Chicago makes me wanna buy myself a
>>> new backup camera...
>>>
>>>
>>>  --M.
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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[Tom C]

Hi John,

Are they really snapshots?  Do you not expend some effort reaching the
locale, getting set up, in the right spot, using a desired focal
length lens, and then set aperture and shutter speed, and compose,
then fine-tune?

If so, then they're not really snapshots, to my way of thinking. While
maybe not what you would consider art, you must certainly have
criteria for judging how successful your shots are, and some you are
no doubt sublimely happy with, while others must be considered
failures, and the range between both ends of the spectrum.

Personally, liking cars and auto racing, I would consider a well
composed, thought out, aesthetically pleasing photo of a race car, a
work of art.

Tom C.


On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 01:40:06PM -0400, Tom C wrote:
>> Hi Doug,  (take everything I say as not an argument, but more or less musing)
>>
>> I don't know the history of Eggleston or how/why he became famous.
> {snip, snip]
>> I called his photographs crappy because I found them largely devoid of
>> any discernible style or intent, and I did not find them aesthetically
>> pleasing.  I did not enjoy the majority of them individually nor did I
>> see any cohesiveness as a group. If that was what he was shooting for,
>> he achieved it.
>
> There probably has to be a little more to it than that, though.
>
> The foregoing critique could pretty much describe most of my photography.
> Perhaps the intent is apparent in my action photographs (of cyclists or of
> race cars), but apart from that I produce snapshots rather than artwork.
>
> But I'm happy with that (and that I'm not a famous photographer).
>
> Perhaps that's part of it - if I tried to persuade you that my work had
> artistic merit (whatever that may be) you would judge it more harshly.
>
> (Again, not trying to be argumentative; just adding my musings to yours)
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Re: Worth selling the K10D if I'm getting the K7?

[Bob Sullivan]

Well I'd like to buy my wife a K-x so I can use it.   :-)  Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Well, you're wrong, mister ;-). If you'd written something like: "When
> on the walk with my daughter, I don't want to have to haul too much
> weight 'cause I am too lazy" then I might have agreed with you ;-).
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Miserere  wrote:
>> Translation: Having seen a K-x in Chicago makes me wanna buy myself a
>> new backup camera...
>>
>>
>>  --M.
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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

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On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 01:40:06PM -0400, Tom C wrote:
> Hi Doug,  (take everything I say as not an argument, but more or less musing)
> 
> I don't know the history of Eggleston or how/why he became famous.
{snip, snip]
> I called his photographs crappy because I found them largely devoid of
> any discernible style or intent, and I did not find them aesthetically
> pleasing.  I did not enjoy the majority of them individually nor did I
> see any cohesiveness as a group. If that was what he was shooting for,
> he achieved it.

There probably has to be a little more to it than that, though.

The foregoing critique could pretty much describe most of my photography.
Perhaps the intent is apparent in my action photographs (of cyclists or of
race cars), but apart from that I produce snapshots rather than artwork.

But I'm happy with that (and that I'm not a famous photographer).

Perhaps that's part of it - if I tried to persuade you that my work had
artistic merit (whatever that may be) you would judge it more harshly.

(Again, not trying to be argumentative; just adding my musings to yours)


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RE: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion

[J.C. O'Connell]

I like the clearer one. the blurriest one looks
like a mistake, the clearer one looks like an effect.

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On 2010-05-11 21:41, William Robb wrote:

> For myself, it was a terrific opportunity to get my work out there, 
> even in a relatively small way.

Had my shot been selected, I would've gladly paid just to have the print 
that Mark made. :-)  I'm not wholly joking, here.  Sure, it would've 
been nice to have my work "out there", but it's very likely that my 
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My Chicago photos (slide show with music, pre alpha)

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

Presently it contains 54 photos and music "Paintings" by Space. I
still need to work on it make it fit the length of a sound track,
however if you want to get a sense of what the final version will
contain please download it from here:

http://liberman-family.com/boris/chicago_2010/chicago_pdml.exe

This is executable (sorry, only Windows) that I made with the help of
FSViewer...

Any comments will be appreciated.

P.S. From time to time I will upload a new version but the URL will
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Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

[Tom C]

Hi Doug,  (take everything I say as not an argument, but more or less musing)

I don't know the history of Eggleston or how/why he became famous.
>From the exhibit I saw, I suspect either some beatniks in a coffehouse
somewhere or some art professors who talk vs. do, were looking for
deeper meaning and stared at some photographs long enough until they
thought that they'd found it.  Realizing he could achieve fame and/or
money by doing more of the same he set out to deliver what the
'intellectuals' wanted.

The above may not be true, but it's the sense I get, because if I were
to show a similar set of photographs, which would be quite easy to
produce, I'd be uniformly chastized.

If a person deliberately sets about shooting in what I'd call a
'crappy snaphot style', is it good because it was deliberate as
opposed to haphazard?  Or is it good because it reminds people of the
way things were in years gone by and hence evokes an emotion?

I called his photographs crappy because I found them largely devoid of
any discernible style or intent, and I did not find them aesthetically
pleasing.  I did not enjoy the majority of them individually nor did I
see any cohesiveness as a group. If that was what he was shooting for,
he achieved it.

> And what I'm trying to do, somewhat clumsily, is get you to articulate those
> reasons. What I'm trying to get at is that we all have our templates, as
> photographers, and sometimes to our detriment. How often do we take the lazy
> way out and just rely on the rule of thirds to compose a photo instead of
> taking the time to think about what composition really suits the subject
> matter best? The rule of thirds is not the only game in town, and the same
> can be said for any other compositional/sharpness/exposure/color habit we
> get into.

Yes, I deliberately tried NOT to articulate the reasons why I would
consider a photograph good, and leave it open to interpretation.  :-)

Why? Because I KNOW, that sure as grass is green, if I elaborate on
some specific criteria that someone will argue the opposite or the
exception, and point out to me (as if I'm a total idiot) that I cannot
be the sole arbiter of what makes a good photograph (and I can't).  So
I did not fall into the trap.  :-)

I do however agree with your statements above.  The formula for making
a good photograph is wide and varied, and we can easily become trapped
in our formulaic way of seeing and producing. That, in essence,
probably becomes our style, but it's certainly good to keep an open
mind and consider that our subject at the time could posiibly benefit
from a different approach than our norm.

> The same can be said for how we view photographs. We like best those that
> are like what we shoot, as photographers. The trick is to separate our
> photographer selves from our viewer selves and go from there. Can we do it?
> Can we look at other photographs, or do the years seeing the world through a
> viewfinder ruin that for us?

It should not ruin it for us, but as individuals we all have
preferences and tastes in both subject and style. Certainly we can
learn by trying to see thinngs differently than our own personal norm.

Tom C.

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Re: Something Funny Happened on the Way to Chicago

[Mark Roberts]

Doug Brewer wrote:

>Miserere wrote:
>> On 11 May 2010 23:12, Tom C  wrote:
>>> and I suspect Miserere was just being silly...
>> 
>> Would it have helped if I'd used an emoticon? If so, e-mail Doug and
>> let him know! I'm trying out writing Doug-style since I got back from
>> Chicago and have been making enemies left and right.

Yeah, but - admit it - you're getting a much *better* class of enemies
now.

>> Note to Self: Must remember never to listen to Doug ever again.

You have a long way to go to catch up to the number of times I've said
that.

>I recall saying something to the effect of "don't try this at home. I am 
>a professional."

You need a disclaimer sort of like in the car commercials, only for
writing:

"Professional writer on a closed course. Do not attempt. Extra commas
not included."


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Re: Worth selling the K10D if I'm getting the K7?

[Boris Liberman]

Well, you're wrong, mister ;-). If you'd written something like: "When
on the walk with my daughter, I don't want to have to haul too much
weight 'cause I am too lazy" then I might have agreed with you ;-).

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Miserere  wrote:
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> new backup camera...
>
>
>  --M.

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Re: My Chicago Pic.

[David J Brooks]

I drove through Chicago on my return trips from Fargo ND when i worked
for the pilot car company, does that count.

Dave

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:52 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
>
> On May 11, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Jerry in Arizona wrote:
>
>> I grew up in Chicago (go Cubbies!)
>
> I grew up in Chicago as well, but on the southside where Cubby fans feared 
> for their lives:-).  I've been to Comisky hundreds of times, but only twice 
> to Wrigley. Once for the fire department/police game in 1956 and once for the 
> Bears/49ers in 1962.
>
> Where in Chicago did you grow up? I lived in Avalon Park, near 83rd, between 
> Stony and Cottage Grove.
>
> Paul
>
>> and first took up photography there.  Here is one I took, from the then new 
>> John Hancock Building, viewing Grant Park and Michigan Ave.  Just below 
>> center is the Chicago Art Institute.  Don't remember what the camera was.  
>> Maybe my old Kodak Pony, my first 35mm.  Alot of things to fix, but brings 
>> back alot of memories.
>>
>>
>> http://s896.photobucket.com/albums/ac164/gelewis_2010/Pentax/?action=view¤t=ChicagoatNight1961_002A1.jpg
>>
>> Jerry in Arizona
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Re: PESO - After the Storm

[David J Brooks]

You done good kid.;-)

This works very well in B&W.

One more move and you'll be in my neck of the woods.,:-)

Dave

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:33 PM, frank theriault
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> Took this one Saturday morning.  I hoped to get together a GESO, but
> things got crazy on Saturday afternoon and I haven't been on the
> computer since.  So far this and Early Morning Run are the only two
> I've had a chance to render.
>
> Anyway, we had intense thunderstorms here in Toronto on Friday night.
> By Saturday morning the rain had stopped but Lake Ontario was still
> pretty pissed off about the whole thing.  I had no idea that our
> little Great Lake could produce the waves I saw that morning.  Not
> quite surfing material, but still, bigger than I expected.
>
> Hope you enjoy:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/05/after-storm.html
>
> This also gives locals an idea of how far I am from downtown now.
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
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Re: Geso: Rogues gallery

[Larry Colen]

Mark Roberts wrote:

Larry Colen wrote:

  
I do not do well at quick photos of people.  At some point I may try  
to clean some of these up, but at least it'll help you connect the  
photographers, with the photographs:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623920448635/



Very nice!

Mind if I grab your shot of me for my web site? I need to update to a
more current shot.
  


You're all welcome to use the shots of you.  If people want, let me know 
and I can send you the raw file when I get home.  I didn't do any 
cleanup, not even cropping, on any of them.
  



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geso - Chicago

[Sasha Sobol]

http://flickriver.com/photos/sobol/tags/chicago/

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Re: JetLag 0, Boris 1

[Larry Colen]

Miserere wrote:

On 12 May 2010 10:15, AlunFoto  wrote:
  

Good to see Larry posting on PDML again despite how he was treated on
Sunday, btw. I think that was not nice behaviour on Bob, Lynn and
Stan's part. :-(



Wow, what did I miss? Oh, this was Sunday, not Saturday. Poor Larry,
did someone tell him not to post? C'mon Larry! Post the hell out of
the PDML!
  


I just had a frustrating day.  It took almost two hours on the train for 
me to get to Oak Park.  I called Stan to find out where people were and 
he was on a different street than he thought he was.  I walked up and 
down the wrong street for a bit without finding people, then when I 
tried to find a place to use the bathroom, got a bit lost. 
A few minutes after I finally found everyone, they all piled into Bob's 
van and drove off.

I ended up consoling myself with Giordano's pizza.

As for jet-lag, I've found that when flying East it's best to land mid
afternoon or early evening. When flying West, however, it's best to
land mid afternoon or early evening.

Rats, did I say the same thing twice? My Chicago-to-Boston jetlag is
killing me these days...


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Re: software misfeature of the K-x

[David Parsons]

Mirror, shutter, and aperture control are not mechanically linked in
modern dSLRs.  They are separately actuated using servos.

They are most likely setup that way because the timing chain is
already setup and it's much easier to tell the camera to actuate 3
times, than to reprogram the timing chain to lift the mirror, close
the aperture, and open-close the shutter x times.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> Of course it needs to operate the shutter ... all electronic shutters
> as yet do not have the control and resolution possible with a
> mechanical shutter. And like with most SLRs, the shutter regulation,
> aperture control and mirror are a linked mechanical operation so
> there's no good way to cycle the shutter without also cycling the
> others.
>
> On Olympus bodies, the auto-bracket feature and the "capture three on
> one shutter press" are implemented separately: you have to turn on
> auto-bracket AND drive mode to achieve this automation. I find this
> very useful in some situations (say when using a flash unit to allow
> time for recycling).
>
> If a camera has independently, electronically controlled shutter,
> mirror and aperture operation, then an option to do auto-bracketing on
> one press cycling only the shutter as quickly as possible would be a
> nice feature for use when appropriate. I don't believe it's possible
> with the design of today's Pentax (or any other) SLR bodies.
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> On Monday night I was photographing a dance and was having a really rough
>> time with exposure. I was shooting in manual mode, I'd take a picture, then
>> the next time I shot, the exposure was way off.  Or it would change.  It
>> took me a while to realize that I had left the shutter in "bracket".
>>
>> There is no reason that pressing the shutter once in bracket mode shouldn't
>> take all three exposures.
>>
>> For that matter, it should be designed so that the mirror doesn't flop and
>> bounce after every exposure.  I'm not even sure that it should need to fire
>> the mechanical shutter between each exposure.
>>
>>
>> --
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Re: JetLag 0, Boris 1

[AlunFoto]

2010/5/12 Miserere :
> On 12 May 2010 10:15, AlunFoto  wrote:
> Wow, what did I miss? Oh, this was Sunday, not Saturday. Poor Larry,
> did someone tell him not to post? C'mon Larry! Post the hell out of
> the PDML!

A bad case of foot in mouth disease on my part.

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Re: Book, Exhibit and Chicago Galleries

[DagT]

Den 12. mai 2010 kl. 09.54 skrev eckinator:

> 2010/5/12 Brian Walters :
>> On Wed, 12 May 2010 07:52 +0100, "Cotty"  wrote:
>>> What Rob said :-)
>> 
>> 
>> As much as I dislike 'me too' threads
>> 
>> Me too!
> 
> I was going to say Me too! too and then opted against it but I guess
> 
> ME TOO =)


And me...

Nice book (nice to be mentioned by Doug) and I wish I was able to be there at 
the opening.

Thanks for all the work that has been done!

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Re: Canon S90 Remarks

[Miserere]

On 12 May 2010 03:56, Tim Bray  wrote:
> I don't think many will come to love it, but it's still remarkably
> handy: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/05/11/Canon-S90-Notes
>
>  -Tim

Tim, I'm also a fan of the S90.

Part 1 of my long-ass review of the camera:

http://enticingthelight.com/2009/11/09/review-canon-s90-part-1-first-impressions/

Some photos I've taken with it:

http://enticingthelight.com/2009/12/16/some-canon-s90-sample-shots/

I bought it because it was trouser-pocketable (also pants-pocketable)
while offering great control and very good IQ for its teeny-weeny
sensor. I am still very annoyed about its lacking auto-ISO in M mode,
but I don't expect Canon to address that issue--they're not exactly
known for listening to their customers.

Did you end up getting the grip? I have largish hands but don't have
an issue with holding the S90; then again, I don't hold it like a DSLR
so the grip would be useless to me.

Cheers,


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Re: Chicago

[Ira Bryant]

Reading this thread, and then today's "The Abominable Charles Christopher" made 
me laugh.



Ira



- Original Message 
> From: Miserere 
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> Subject: Re: Chicago
> 


Doug, I actually wrote an article describing what makes a 
> "Great
Photograph". I titled it... "What Makes a Great Photograph" (see 
> how
my mind works?). You might enjoy it--at the very least there are 
> no
emoticons and Eggleston gets a 
> mention:

http://enticingthelight.com/2010/02/21/what-makes-a-great-photograph/

Let 
> me know what you think.

Cheers,


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Re: PESO: The Winter Guard

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Charles.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> On May 9, 2010, at 19:33, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, my Rotary Club gave a reception honoring those who have
>> made significant contributions to the community.  The highlight of the
>> event was a performance by the Winter Guard from our local high
>> school.  I was sitting fairly far back in the theater, far out of
>> flash range, so I decided to test the high ISO performance of my
>> camera:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10991077
>>
>
> Well done!  Just the right shutter speed for those flying flags.
>
> Someone else asked so I'll just toss it in here since I have it handy:
>
> Auto exposure, Program AE, 1/20 sec, f/4.5, ISO 3200
>
>  -Charles
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Re: PESO: The Winter Guard

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks.  That was shot at 3200 ISO.

Dan

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Great shot!  The noise doesn't intrude even at full size (which is huge).  
> What was the ISO?
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> --- On Sun, 5/9/10, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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>> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
>> Subject: PESO: The Winter Guard
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 8:33 PM
>> On Saturday, my Rotary Club gave a
>> reception honoring those who have
>> made significant contributions to the community.  The
>> highlight of the
>> event was a performance by the Winter Guard from our local
>> high
>> school.  I was sitting fairly far back in the theater,
>> far out of
>> flash range, so I decided to test the high ISO performance
>> of my
>> camera:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10991077
>>
>> Comments, Criticisms, Suggestions and Abuse are welcome.
>>
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Re: PESO: The Winter Guard

[Charles Robinson]

On May 9, 2010, at 19:33, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

> On Saturday, my Rotary Club gave a reception honoring those who have
> made significant contributions to the community.  The highlight of the
> event was a performance by the Winter Guard from our local high
> school.  I was sitting fairly far back in the theater, far out of
> flash range, so I decided to test the high ISO performance of my
> camera:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10991077
> 

Well done!  Just the right shutter speed for those flying flags.

Someone else asked so I'll just toss it in here since I have it handy: 

Auto exposure, Program AE, 1/20 sec, f/4.5, ISO 3200

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Re: Worth selling the K10D if I'm getting the K7?

[Charles Robinson]

On May 12, 2010, at 11:14, Miserere wrote:

> On 12 May 2010 09:38, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> I also kept mine. It is Galia's camera now. And some times my backup. In
>> fact, I would be interested to know when and how it will actually completely
>> expire.
>> 
>> That said, having seen K-x in Chicago makes me wanna buy Galia a new
>> camera...
>> 
>> Boris
> 
> Translation: Having seen a K-x in Chicago makes me wanna buy myself a
> new backup camera...
> 

My dad's got a K-x... maybe I'll try borrowing it the next time I have a dark 
concert to shoot.

Sure is small 'n' light!

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Re: Chicago

[Miserere]

On 12 May 2010 12:30, Doug Brewer  wrote:
>
> I've read that before, and thought it was very funny.

Oh, you thought I was joking?

> Only category you missed was "Post it on the Internet, especially on
> flickr." Someone will say it's great, and there you go.

I did consider mentioning Flickr, but thought I had already insulted
enough people.


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Re: PESO squatters

[Jack Davis]

I like the way you've included their "habitat", Dominique.

Delicate quiet images.

Jack

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> From: Madame RD 
> Subject: PESO  squatters
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 7:01 AM
> they settled uninvited in my
> flowerpots but I quite like them and i'm disappointed when
> they don't show up .
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4601435482/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4601436298/in/photostream/
> 
> not a squatter but hadn't shown a flower until now .
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4600818825/
> 
> about time i posted some pictures ...
> 
> dominique
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Re: JetLag 0, Boris 1

[Miserere]

On 12 May 2010 10:15, AlunFoto  wrote:
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> Good to see Larry posting on PDML again despite how he was treated on
> Sunday, btw. I think that was not nice behaviour on Bob, Lynn and
> Stan's part. :-(

Wow, what did I miss? Oh, this was Sunday, not Saturday. Poor Larry,
did someone tell him not to post? C'mon Larry! Post the hell out of
the PDML!

As for jet-lag, I've found that when flying East it's best to land mid
afternoon or early evening. When flying West, however, it's best to
land mid afternoon or early evening.

Rats, did I say the same thing twice? My Chicago-to-Boston jetlag is
killing me these days...


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Re: Chicago

[Bob Sullivan]

M,
Just read your what-makes-a-great-photograph and I'm now prepared to
do some fabulous work!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Miserere  wrote:
> Doug, I actually wrote an article describing what makes a "Great
> Photograph". I titled it... "What Makes a Great Photograph" (see how
> my mind works?). You might enjoy it--at the very least there are no
> emoticons and Eggleston gets a mention:
>
> http://enticingthelight.com/2010/02/21/what-makes-a-great-photograph/
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
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Re: Chicago

[Doug Brewer]

Miserere wrote:

On 12 May 2010 00:47, Doug Brewer  wrote:

OK, if we're going to discuss this, first you have to define what exactly
makes a good photograph, without saying "a good photo is not this..." or "a
good photo is not that..."

Fire when ready.


Doug, I actually wrote an article describing what makes a "Great
Photograph". I titled it... "What Makes a Great Photograph" (see how
my mind works?). You might enjoy it--at the very least there are no
emoticons and Eggleston gets a mention:

http://enticingthelight.com/2010/02/21/what-makes-a-great-photograph/

Let me know what you think.

Cheers,


  --M.



I've read that before, and thought it was very funny.

Only category you missed was "Post it on the Internet, especially on 
flickr." Someone will say it's great, and there you go.


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Re: software misfeature of the K-x

[Dario Bonazza]

I've set my K20D so that it takes all bracketing shots with a single push on 
the release button (Custom Setting #8) and the K-7 can also act that way 
(Custom Setting #7).


Dario 



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Re: Geso: Rogues gallery

[Miserere]

On 12 May 2010 02:31, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I do not do well at quick photos of people.  At some point I may try to
> clean some of these up, but at least it'll help you connect the
> photographers, with the photographs:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623920448635/
>
> The one not standing next to a photo is Sue Barton.

Larry, thanks for using the soft-focus filter on my photo. [insert
winky emoticon here]


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Re: Something Funny Happened on the Way to Chicago

[Doug Brewer]

Miserere wrote:

On 11 May 2010 23:12, Tom C  wrote:

and I suspect Miserere was just being silly...


Would it have helped if I'd used an emoticon? If so, e-mail Doug and
let him know! I'm trying out writing Doug-style since I got back from
Chicago and have been making enemies left and right.

Note to Self: Must remember never to listen to Doug ever again.


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I recall saying something to the effect of "don't try this at home. I am 
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Re: Something Funny Happened on the Way to Chicago

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On 11 May 2010 23:12, Tom C  wrote:
>
> and I suspect Miserere was just being silly...

Would it have helped if I'd used an emoticon? If so, e-mail Doug and
let him know! I'm trying out writing Doug-style since I got back from
Chicago and have been making enemies left and right.

Note to Self: Must remember never to listen to Doug ever again.


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Re: Jetlagged babble

[Miserere]

On 12 May 2010 00:50, mike wilson  wrote:
> Miserere wrote:
>>
>> Slightly surprised
>> that you had a teeny, tiny British accent mixed in with the Norwegian.
>> Not at all surprised at how tall you were.
>
> We've been working on that for a long time. Must try harder.

You want to make him even taller?


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