[RBW] Re: Long overdue
Yeah, its a Quickbeam. The handlebar bag started out as a wald medium basket that got crashed. Some wire cutters and additional metal and some bending resulted in a frame that then got covered with the fabric. Its pretty simple with just the main compartment and no dividers or pockets. The bike handling is nice for touring, very stable climbing and plowing through rough trails/gravel (I can recall a certain railtrail in Ontario), but there is the shimmy when the speeds get high. The shimmy can mostly be relieved by getting all my weight onto the pedals. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Long overdue
That can't be a single speed? Must have an IGH? L00ks like you had a blast! Surf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] canti-rom
I just received the canti-rom frame/fork last night. It is in rather stunning shape and after looking it over I have to ask: Does anyone know why riv stopped making the simpler lug design? The more ornate lugs like on the AHH and atlantis are beautiful but there is something nicely understated about the ones on the romulus. I don't know about anyone else but if there was a bike riv was going to bring back as a taiwanese-built model I think this would be a good choice. It's just beautiful. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] canti-rom
Seth Vidal asked: Does anyone know why riv stopped making the simpler lug design? The more ornate lugs like on the AHH and atlantis are beautiful but there is something nicely understated about the ones on the romulus. --- IIRC, Grant Petersen generally prefers lugs to be more on the ornate side, but they increase production costs. E.g., as costs rose, the later Atlantis and Rambouillet had considerably simpler lugs that the early versions. I suspect that if some recent bikes have returned to the complex lugs, it¹s because Grant found the money in the production budget to do what he prefers. The man fights hard for his vision of the function and the form of his bikes. -- Jon ³Papa² Grant Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Long overdue
On Dec 3, 7:57 am, Mark mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote: That can't be a single speed? Must have an IGH? L00ks like you had a blast! Surf Yeah, what he said! Looks like it was a fantastic trip. Please tell us more about your set up! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] canti-rom
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I just received the canti-rom frame/fork last night. It is in rather stunning shape and after looking it over I have to ask: Does anyone know why riv stopped making the simpler lug design? The more ornate lugs like on the AHH and atlantis are beautiful but there is something nicely understated about the ones on the romulus. I don't know about anyone else but if there was a bike riv was going to bring back as a taiwanese-built model I think this would be a good choice. It's just beautiful. If i had to guess, i'd say that the cost savings of producing frames in Taiwan allowed the return of fancier lugs. Also, using fancier lugs would help avoid the idea of the Taiwan-produced frames being less desirable than the Japanese-built models. I like the simpler lugs of my Redwood, but i also really like the latest lugwork, especially the asymmetry in many of them. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: If you need a 56 Hillborne...
Likewise, we are down to our last Hillborne frameset as well. We have one 60cm Green Hillborne remaining, probably the last one anywhere. We've had a couple of interested buyers, but no takers just yet. Like Jim, we found the 56cm Hillborne to be the ideal demo bike ... and it is really tempting to just keep it around for rides to the post office and a really nice shop bike. We built it up like most of our customers request ... 105 drivetrain, Sugino cranks, Nitto, Brooks, etc. I'll post some pictures soon. Cheers, Bryan On Dec 2, 6:02 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I sold all my Hillbornes and Foys this year, except one 56 cm Hillborne, which has been a floor model for a couple months. The 56 size was the size that sold fastest for Riv, but, strangely that size was the slowest to sell for me. Just for grins, I took it for a short ride (7 miles) today, which was my first time going farther than around the block on a Hillborne. That's a fine machine. I should get one for myself someday, but this one is for sale:http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2009/12/sam-hillborne-ride.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: canti-rom
I had a canti-rom for awhile. It was a wonderful bicycle for long road rides, and I liked the simple lugs, 1-color paint, etc. Actually, the lugs on the Atlantis and other Japanese frames got much more ornate toward the end. Perhaps GP thought that fancier lugs would help justify the rapidly increasing prices during the last couple years, or maybe the extra cost in the lugwork seemed tiny compared to the extra cost from currency exchange. In any case, the simpler, rounded lugs of ~2004/2005-ish were more of a middle point than an ultimate end of the evolution of these frames. On Dec 3, 7:08 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I just received the canti-rom frame/fork last night. It is in rather stunning shape and after looking it over I have to ask: Does anyone know why riv stopped making the simpler lug design? The more ornate lugs like on the AHH and atlantis are beautiful but there is something nicely understated about the ones on the romulus. I don't know about anyone else but if there was a bike riv was going to bring back as a taiwanese-built model I think this would be a good choice. It's just beautiful. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: canti-rom
actually the lugs on the romulus look just like the lugs on the quickbeam... On Dec 3, 8:07 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I had a canti-rom for awhile. It was a wonderful bicycle for long road rides, and I liked the simple lugs, 1-color paint, etc. Actually, the lugs on the Atlantis and other Japanese frames got much more ornate toward the end. Perhaps GP thought that fancier lugs would help justify the rapidly increasing prices during the last couple years, or maybe the extra cost in the lugwork seemed tiny compared to the extra cost from currency exchange. In any case, the simpler, rounded lugs of ~2004/2005-ish were more of a middle point than an ultimate end of the evolution of these frames. On Dec 3, 7:08 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I just received the canti-rom frame/fork last night. It is in rather stunning shape and after looking it over I have to ask: Does anyone know why riv stopped making the simpler lug design? The more ornate lugs like on the AHH and atlantis are beautiful but there is something nicely understated about the ones on the romulus. I don't know about anyone else but if there was a bike riv was going to bring back as a taiwanese-built model I think this would be a good choice. It's just beautiful. -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Dromarti shoes
Nice, but expensive. Anyone seen or tried these? http://www.dromarti.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=10_14products_id=16 --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] AHH as a road bike
Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen’s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can’t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: canti-rom
On Dec 3, 8:08 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I just received the canti-rom frame/fork last night. Congrats on such a nice bike man! Those are pretty hard to find, I understand. Plus, I'm guessing the cantis will let you run slightly larger tires with fenders? I agree, the Romulus and Redwood are among the nicest bikes Rivendell has put out there. It's a shame they couldn't be continued for very long. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: canti-rom
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:40 AM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 3, 8:08 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I just received the canti-rom frame/fork last night. Congrats on such a nice bike man! Those are pretty hard to find, I understand. Plus, I'm guessing the cantis will let you run slightly larger tires with fenders? I agree, the Romulus and Redwood are among the nicest bikes Rivendell has put out there. It's a shame they couldn't be continued for very long. Well, I won't get to keep it for long. It's getting a headset pressed on today and it is off to my brother's house for him. ... hmmm.. If anyone out there has a romulus in a 59 or a 61 they are considering thinning out they should let me know, I may want to be all matchy-matchy with my brother. :) Or maybe I should wait to see what next year brings from riv. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] RBW lugs
They say that memory is the 1st thing to go, so correct me if mine has left the room, but I recall the 1st issue of orange Rambouillets having fancier lugwork than the main run, including later orange, all the blue and the final batch of green ones. The Saluki and AHH use the same lugs afik and these have remained unchanged since the start of Saluki. The earliest Rivs from Waterford had very fancy Sachs designed lugs, with later Riv customs being a bit more toned down. Rivs lugs are made for them in China, I read somewhere, maybe by Long Sheng? Their design, just cast in China. Not that many lug makers around. Pascenti's lugs are also made to his spec overseas, iirc. From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com Actually, the lugs on the Atlantis and other Japanese frames got much more ornate toward the end. Perhaps GP thought that fancier lugs would help justify the rapidly increasing prices during the last couple years, or maybe the extra cost in the lugwork seemed tiny compared to the extra cost from currency exchange. In any case, the simpler, rounded lugs of ~2004/2005-ish were more of a middle point than an ultimate end of the evolution of these frames. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
Not to throw a wrench in your plans for the AHH, but Jan Heine et. al. recently published results of an extensive test involving various tires/widths and speed, and they found that rolling resistance is a *weak* function of tire width.In other words, tire width had little to do with rolling resistance. They found that wider tires at moderate pressures are actually faster than narrow tires at high pressures. I do not have the issue of BQ (I'm working on getting a copy) but is in Vol. 5, No. 1 (Autumn 2006). Does anyone here have the article? On Dec 3, 9:34 am, Shawn sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen’s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can’t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:09 AM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Not to throw a wrench in your plans for the AHH, but Jan Heine et. al. recently published results of an extensive test involving various tires/widths and speed, and they found that rolling resistance is a *weak* function of tire width. In other words, tire width had little to do with rolling resistance. They found that wider tires at moderate pressures are actually faster than narrow tires at high pressures. I do not have the issue of BQ (I'm working on getting a copy) but is in Vol. 5, No. 1 (Autumn 2006). Does anyone here have the article? The interview with Terry bicycles gives you all the info you'd really need, I think: http://www.terrybicycles.com/podcast/?kc=em20091120utm_medium=emailutm_source=cpmasterutm_campaign=em20091120 and it's kinda cool to listen to. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW lugs
On Dec 3, 10:00 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Rivs lugs are made for them in China, I read somewhere, maybe by Long Sheng? Their design, just cast in China. Not that many lug makers around. Pascenti's lugs are also made to his spec overseas, iirc. I think they are made by Long Shen in Taiwan: http://www.longshen.com.tw/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
Here is Jan Heine's article on wide tires: www.vintagebicyclepress.com/images/BQ64TireTest.pdf On Dec 3, 9:09 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Not to throw a wrench in your plans for the AHH, but Jan Heine et. al. recently published results of an extensive test involving various tires/widths and speed, and they found that rolling resistance is a *weak* function of tire width. In other words, tire width had little to do with rolling resistance. They found that wider tires at moderate pressures are actually faster than narrow tires at high pressures. I do not have the issue of BQ (I'm working on getting a copy) but is in Vol. 5, No. 1 (Autumn 2006). Does anyone here have the article? On Dec 3, 9:34 am, Shawn sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen’s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can’t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Dromarti shoes
I came VERY close to getting a pair, but in the end probably decided the sole looked just a touch too delicate looking. The uppers are fantastic though I ended up with some Lakes which I love: http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2009/11/new-shoes-for-poppa.html On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Nice, but expensive. Anyone seen or tried these? http://www.dromarti.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=10_14products_id=16 --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
skinny tires aren't going to make you faster. not bogging the bike down with bags, racks, etc. and carrying a bunch of stuff with you, however, will make a difference. so, just keep the AHH stripped down. in your case, it will make a fine road bike - doesn't sound like you're concerned about getting dropped from a group ride or that the bike is holding you back. anyway, by all means, if you want some new sneaks - go for it! but why not ride a lightish 30-32mm tire at a higher pressure? tire pressure makes a huge difference in how the bike will feel and ride. On Dec 3, 9:34 am, Shawn sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen’s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can’t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] AHH as a road bike
You probably need to identify what you personally consider to be better in a road bike. I thought about a Hilsen, but got a Ram. I'm not sure I could have told the difference at the time, as far as which was better. What I later found made an enormous difference was tires. I went from Ruffy Tuffy to Jack Brown greens. It's like a different (and better) bike! You might find the feel you're seeking by going the other direction and putting on narrower tires. IMHO, you should experiment extensively with tires on your Hilsen to see if you have some sort of revelation about feel. I think you'd regret trading away the Hilsen for some elusive sense of road feel. What if you did trade for a Ram and discovered you actually liked it less? - Original Message - From: Shawn To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:34 AM Subject: [RBW] AHH as a road bike Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen’s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can’t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
Be aware that what Jan found to be faster are fat, *supple* tires -- not your 38 mm Paselas. The fastest tires in the test, IIRC, were some 24 mm racing tires, not because there were skinny but because they were very supple. A fat, heavy, stiff tire will all else equal be a dog comparatively speaking. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:09 AM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.comwrote: Not to throw a wrench in your plans for the AHH, but Jan Heine et. al. recently published results of an extensive test involving various tires/widths and speed, and they found that rolling resistance is a *weak* function of tire width.In other words, tire width had little to do with rolling resistance. They found that wider tires at moderate pressures are actually faster than narrow tires at high pressures. I do not have the issue of BQ (I'm working on getting a copy) but is in Vol. 5, No. 1 (Autumn 2006). Does anyone here have the article? On Dec 3, 9:34 am, Shawn sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen’s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can’t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] AHH as a road bike
I have ridden mine as a road bike and used 28C tires. With 28s it looks a lot like my Riv Road in general, but if you look closely you can see a ton of clearance at the brake areas and that does look a little goofy. Handling-wise it handles just fine with the 28s and I wouldn't hesitate to use them on a club ride with this bike. I have to say that I put the Jack Brown Greens on it a few months back and it has been quite a revelation. One day while commuting home, I was driving an overly competitive rider batty by keeping up with him and eventually passing him. He seemed a little annoyed that a guy on a bike with downtube shifters and fenders was passing him like that, and then even more annoyed that he couldn't re-take the lead. Overall, I find the Jack Browns to be just as fast, if not faster, tham the Continental Ultra 28s that I had used previously. I also find that the AHH when not loaded down with racks is as sprightly as you would need for most riding, and you still have options for racks and bags if the need arises. Joe Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:34:06 -0800 Subject: [RBW] AHH as a road bike From: sa240...@yahoo.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen’s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can’t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. _ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+gamesscope=cashbackform=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: canti-rom
Seth: Try www.bike123.com. Larry Black, who runs the place, has something like 2500 bikes, and I think he still has an almost new Rom for sale. I think it's a 59 or 61. He quoted me $2000, but maybe he'll negotiate; I didn't pursue it. -Original Message- From: Seth Vidal [mailto:skvi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:47 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: canti-rom On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:40 AM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 3, 8:08 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I just received the canti-rom frame/fork last night. Congrats on such a nice bike man! Those are pretty hard to find, I understand. Plus, I'm guessing the cantis will let you run slightly larger tires with fenders? I agree, the Romulus and Redwood are among the nicest bikes Rivendell has put out there. It's a shame they couldn't be continued for very long. Well, I won't get to keep it for long. It's getting a headset pressed on today and it is off to my brother's house for him. ... hmmm.. If anyone out there has a romulus in a 59 or a 61 they are considering thinning out they should let me know, I may want to be all matchy-matchy with my brother. :) Or maybe I should wait to see what next year brings from riv. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
On Dec 3, 10:09 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: They found that wider tires at moderate pressures are actually faster than narrow tires at high pressures. well, to be clear, it depends on what tires we're talking about. the width of a tire doesn't say a whole lot on it's own. it's really about how the tires are made. lots of wide tires are, indeed, clunky and slow. and lots of narrow tires are, indeed, very fast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW lugs
At least on the Atlantis, the lugs on the 2006ish-present frames were pointy and more ornate than the rounded lugs on the Atlantis I bought new in 2004. On Dec 3, 9:00 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: They say that memory is the 1st thing to go, so correct me if mine has left the room, but I recall the 1st issue of orange Rambouillets having fancier lugwork than the main run, including later orange, all the blue and the final batch of green ones. The Saluki and AHH use the same lugs afik and these have remained unchanged since the start of Saluki. The earliest Rivs from Waterford had very fancy Sachs designed lugs, with later Riv customs being a bit more toned down. Rivs lugs are made for them in China, I read somewhere, maybe by Long Sheng? Their design, just cast in China. Not that many lug makers around. Pascenti's lugs are also made to his spec overseas, iirc. From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com Actually, the lugs on the Atlantis and other Japanese frames got much more ornate toward the end. Perhaps GP thought that fancier lugs would help justify the rapidly increasing prices during the last couple years, or maybe the extra cost in the lugwork seemed tiny compared to the extra cost from currency exchange. In any case, the simpler, rounded lugs of ~2004/2005-ish were more of a middle point than an ultimate end of the evolution of these frames. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
Be aware that what Jan found to be faster are fat, *supple* tires -- not your 38 mm Paselas. The fastest tires in the test, IIRC, were some 24 mm racing tires, not because there were skinny but because they were very supple. A fat, heavy, stiff tire will all else equal be a dog comparatively speaking. I don't know. My 37mm Paselas are pretty supple. Maybe not as supple as some in the test, but when compared with other 700c tires in it's class the Pasela fairs well in suppleness and weight. The 35c pasela did really well in the performance test that was published in BQ Vol5 #1. At that time they were the fastest of the fat 700c tires tested. The surprisingly fast times of a few tires, such as the Panaracer Pasela (34.5m m wide), the Avocet Cross (34.5mm) and the Mitsoboshi Trimline (37mm) appear to be mostly due to their great width. My fast preference is the 32c tg pasela. I run them on a light aluminum go-fast and I'll pick them over every other tire I own. Again, they hold there own in suppleness and weight when compared to others in their class. I ride this bike with some really fast riders here in austin with carbon and skinny's and when they drop me I never blame the tire. The engine however... now that's another story. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: canti-rom
I agree Seth. I really like my Quickbeam lugs. Nothing fancy, just simple lugs. Nicely understated as you say. On Dec 3, 7:08 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I just received the canti-rom frame/fork last night. It is in rather stunning shape and after looking it over I have to ask: Does anyone know why riv stopped making the simpler lug design? The more ornate lugs like on the AHH and atlantis are beautiful but there is something nicely understated about the ones on the romulus. I don't know about anyone else but if there was a bike riv was going to bring back as a taiwanese-built model I think this would be a good choice. It's just beautiful. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Dromarti shoes
I got the SPD style and the road style and absolutely love them. The fit is the same as my Sidis, but these look a lot cooler. They remind me quite a bit of my Sidis in the early 80s, but the quality of these is even higher. I think the natural leather is probably more comfortable and perhaps even form-fitting, as compared to the synthetic materials of my Sidis. And I say that as a vegetarian! Plus, they look just awesome. I wear the SPD version at my Spinning classes, too. Oh, so stylish! I'm guessing they will last forever, too. (The soles are plenty tough; they might even be sourced from Sidi, by the looks of them.) On Dec 3, 7:20 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I came VERY close to getting a pair, but in the end probably decided the sole looked just a touch too delicate looking. The uppers are fantastic though I ended up with some Lakes which I love:http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2009/11/new-shoes-for-poppa.html On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Nice, but expensive. Anyone seen or tried these? http://www.dromarti.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=10_14;... --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dromarti shoes
The website shows what looks to be a tourist shoe type bottom. Do they make a model compatible with Look cleats? And how was ordering: through the website? Smooth and hassle free? Not that I really need to spend $250 on shoes ... On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:18 AM, XO-1.org Rough Riders adventureco...@gmail.com wrote: I got the SPD style and the road style and absolutely love them. The fit is the same as my Sidis, but these look a lot cooler. They remind me quite a bit of my Sidis in the early 80s, but the quality of these is even higher. I think the natural leather is probably more comfortable and perhaps even form-fitting, as compared to the synthetic materials of my Sidis. And I say that as a vegetarian! Plus, they look just awesome. I wear the SPD version at my Spinning classes, too. Oh, so stylish! I'm guessing they will last forever, too. (The soles are plenty tough; they might even be sourced from Sidi, by the looks of them.) On Dec 3, 7:20 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I came VERY close to getting a pair, but in the end probably decided the sole looked just a touch too delicate looking. The uppers are fantastic though I ended up with some Lakes which I love: http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2009/11/new-shoes-for-poppa.html On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Nice, but expensive. Anyone seen or tried these? http://www.dromarti.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=10_14;. .. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dromarti shoes
At the bottom-left, the Sportivo version has the spd-style sole, the Race version has a look-style sole. Beautiful shoes. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:47 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The website shows what looks to be a tourist shoe type bottom. Do they make a model compatible with Look cleats? And how was ordering: through the website? Smooth and hassle free? Not that I really need to spend $250 on shoes ... On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:18 AM, XO-1.org Rough Riders adventureco...@gmail.com wrote: I got the SPD style and the road style and absolutely love them. The fit is the same as my Sidis, but these look a lot cooler. They remind me quite a bit of my Sidis in the early 80s, but the quality of these is even higher. I think the natural leather is probably more comfortable and perhaps even form-fitting, as compared to the synthetic materials of my Sidis. And I say that as a vegetarian! Plus, they look just awesome. I wear the SPD version at my Spinning classes, too. Oh, so stylish! I'm guessing they will last forever, too. (The soles are plenty tough; they might even be sourced from Sidi, by the looks of them.) On Dec 3, 7:20 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I came VERY close to getting a pair, but in the end probably decided the sole looked just a touch too delicate looking. The uppers are fantastic though I ended up with some Lakes which I love:http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2009/11/new-shoes-for-poppa.html On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Nice, but expensive. Anyone seen or tried these? http://www.dromarti.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=10_14;... --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know. My 37mm Paselas are pretty supple. Maybe not as supple as some in the test, but when compared with other 700c tires in it's class the Pasela fairs well in suppleness and weight. The 35c pasela did really well in the performance test that was published in BQ Vol5 #1. At that time they were the fastest of the fat 700c tires tested. The surprisingly fast times of a few tires, such as the Panaracer Pasela (34.5m m wide), the Avocet Cross (34.5mm) and the Mitsoboshi Trimline (37mm) appear to be mostly due to their great width. Perhaps the Paselas aren't a good example overall, but since my Riv roads have 559 or 571 wheels, I am pretty limited in the good road tires I can find. I used 1.25 Paselas for a while but switched (on the commuter) to 22-23 mm (actual) Conti Grand Prix and Specialized Turbos because these, at least, fell faster and more nimble -- and the Paselas only weigh about 40 grams more, each -- 240 vs 200 grams. I know the Turbos, in particular, which I've used off and on for 18 years, are among my favorites and, if they came in a 28, would be even more favorite. (I have a stash of Turbos, since I believe that they haven't been made for some time.) BTW, when I say feel faster, I don't buy the more vibration makes it feel faster hypothesis; it's not vibration but smoothness and computer readouts that form my judgement. The Turbos in particular feel as smooth at 90/100 as the Paselas did a 70/80, but then the Turbos have always seemed exceptionally smooth despite their narrow width. The only other Paselas I've used recently were 27X1.25s, wire bead, and those felt like dogs; my experience, of course. Perhaps there are Paselas and Paselas. My fast preference is the 32c tg pasela. I run them on a light aluminum go-fast and I'll pick them over every other tire I own. Again, they hold there own in suppleness and weight when compared to others in their class. I ride this bike with some really fast riders here in austin with carbon and skinny's and when they drop me I never blame the tire. The engine however... now that's another story. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dromarti shoes
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: At the bottom-left, the Sportivo version has the spd-style sole, the Race version has a look-style sole. Beautiful shoes. Gee, thanks a lot! Now I am *really* tempted, even though I spent my own Christmas, 2009 present money back in October. Of course, these are onlly $198 ... D'ya think they'll have a post-Xmas sale? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: skinny tires aren't going to make you faster. They will if they weigh less. Especially if you're climbing. As anyone who has seen my green Atlantis can testify, I'm far from a weight weenie. But still, facts are facts. Lighter wheels make a difference, especially if you're climbing. -- -- Anne Paulson He who wills the ends wills the means -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: canti-rom
I had two Romulus--the first one a 59cm side-pull (http:// www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157600050554321/) that was just a tad too big for me (so I thought at the time, but my idea of fitting has changed since, and the second one a 57cm (http://www.flickr.com/ photos/franklyn/sets/72157603538257284/) that I bought used to replace the 59cm. I ended up selling the 57cm Romulus last year to fund a custom bike. I like the Romulus a lot as a all-round road bike. I also prefer the appearance over its fancier cousins. My taste has trended toward simple--thus my current choice of Ebisu. If I have the space and extra cash, i would have kept my Romulus. Franklyn On Dec 3, 8:11 am, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree Seth. I really like my Quickbeam lugs. Nothing fancy, just simple lugs. Nicely understated as you say. On Dec 3, 7:08 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I just received the canti-rom frame/fork last night. It is in rather stunning shape and after looking it over I have to ask: Does anyone know why riv stopped making the simpler lug design? The more ornate lugs like on the AHH and atlantis are beautiful but there is something nicely understated about the ones on the romulus. I don't know about anyone else but if there was a bike riv was going to bring back as a taiwanese-built model I think this would be a good choice. It's just beautiful. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto 120mm Technomic (225mm) 26.0 / 1
Stem has been claimed. Thanks, all. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Curtis Schmitt curtisrschm...@gmail.com wrote: Only used for about 50 miles, then removed (replaced w/ 80mm, 120mm was too long for me). May have some minor shop wear. Please contact me offlist to purchase or for photos, will take some this evening when I arrive home. $29 shipped USPS to CONUS. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
My Rx for road only is to get a nice treadless tire like the Schwalbe Kojak. It is relatively light, quality rubber, holds up very well on decent roads and is fast enough for most riders. On Dec 3, 11:03 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: skinny tires aren't going to make you faster. They will if they weigh less. Especially if you're climbing. As anyone who has seen my green Atlantis can testify, I'm far from a weight weenie. But still, facts are facts. Lighter wheels make a difference, especially if you're climbing. -- -- Anne Paulson He who wills the ends wills the means -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Waxing Well
Filson makes a paste wax for re-proofing their waxed cotton garments. I've used it on a Baggins with positive results. Hot weather, a heat gun or oven helps the wax to flow into the fabric. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
All, My mother has a 3 speed bicycle that she rides around town on. She gets some groceries, visits friends, rides to the gym, that sort of thing. She's really taken to cycling and she's taken the bike on some longer rides, probably 30 miles at the longest. She wants to do more of this. She wants to ride up big hills, she wants to ride on groomed dirt paths, she wants to get even more groceries, she wants to go riding with friends; basically she wants a do it all bike that is comfortable, user friendly and will get her up that big hill coming up. She'd also like a mixte/step through because she is getting older and it's much easier to mount those sorts of frames. The 3 speed just isn't cutting it for those longer rides. I ask you, members of this lovely list, what sort of bicycle does this lady need? I know the obvious choice would be a Betty Foy but she is squeamish about the price tag. I really think she should get one but she just doesn't want to spend that much money on anything, be it a bike or whatever else might cost that much. I am well aware that the bikes are worth the money and I've told her that. She just doesn't want a bike that nice. So, does anyone have any suggestions? I honestly cannot think of a single bike she could buy off the rack that would fit the bill and look good doing it. Best, Austin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: If you need a 56 Hillborne...
MSL still has a green Hilborne or three left (don't remember the sizes off the top of my head); I know I rode a 56 and a 60, and a 61 AHH, before I ended up putting a Ram in layaway there). Great folks there. Now, I just need to keep pitchin' my lunch money at it 'til I can take it home :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
I have been tempted lately by the Kojak. What size do you run? Don't they make a 32 or 35? Can you compare them to Jack Browns? My Rx for road only is to get a nice treadless tire like the Schwalbe Kojak. It is relatively light, quality rubber, holds up very well on decent roads and is fast enough for most riders. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
If her current bike fits well and is otherwise up to the task, could you upgrade it to a 7-8 speed internal geared hub-based drivetrain? New rear wheel and shifter should do it... -Original Message- From: Austin Andrews [mailto:austinfromthefoodc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:50 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother. All, My mother has a 3 speed bicycle that she rides around town on. She gets some groceries, visits friends, rides to the gym, that sort of thing. She's really taken to cycling and she's taken the bike on some longer rides, probably 30 miles at the longest. She wants to do more of this. She wants to ride up big hills, she wants to ride on groomed dirt paths, she wants to get even more groceries, she wants to go riding with friends; basically she wants a do it all bike that is comfortable, user friendly and will get her up that big hill coming up. She'd also like a mixte/step through because she is getting older and it's much easier to mount those sorts of frames. The 3 speed just isn't cutting it for those longer rides. I ask you, members of this lovely list, what sort of bicycle does this lady need? I know the obvious choice would be a Betty Foy but she is squeamish about the price tag. I really think she should get one but she just doesn't want to spend that much money on anything, be it a bike or whatever else might cost that much. I am well aware that the bikes are worth the money and I've told her that. She just doesn't want a bike that nice. So, does anyone have any suggestions? I honestly cannot think of a single bike she could buy off the rack that would fit the bill and look good doing it. Best, Austin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: canti-rom
Rom porn: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=romulus%20rivendellw=all Quite a handsome bicycle. I love mine (sidepull 59). I sometimes think of selling it to help fund an Ebisu or Toei but this bike does everything I need it to... Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Dec 3, 9:04 am, franklyn frankly...@gmail.com wrote: I had two Romulus--the first one a 59cm side-pull (http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157600050554321/) that was just a tad too big for me (so I thought at the time, but my idea of fitting has changed since, and the second one a 57cm (http://www.flickr.com/ photos/franklyn/sets/72157603538257284/) that I bought used to replace the 59cm. I ended up selling the 57cm Romulus last year to fund a custom bike. I like the Romulus a lot as a all-round road bike. I also prefer the appearance over its fancier cousins. My taste has trended toward simple--thus my current choice of Ebisu. If I have the space and extra cash, i would have kept my Romulus. Franklyn On Dec 3, 8:11 am, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree Seth. I really like my Quickbeam lugs. Nothing fancy, just simple lugs. Nicely understated as you say. On Dec 3, 7:08 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I just received the canti-rom frame/fork last night. It is in rather stunning shape and after looking it over I have to ask: Does anyone know why riv stopped making the simpler lug design? The more ornate lugs like on the AHH and atlantis are beautiful but there is something nicely understated about the ones on the romulus. I don't know about anyone else but if there was a bike riv was going to bring back as a taiwanese-built model I think this would be a good choice. It's just beautiful. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
on 12/2/09 8:49 PM, Austin Andrews at austinfromthefoodc...@gmail.com wrote: (mom goes 3-speeding, snipped) I know the obvious choice would be a Betty Foy but she is squeamish about the price tag. I really think she should get one but she just doesn't want to spend that much money on anything, be it a bike or whatever else might cost that much. I am well aware that the bikes are worth the money and I've told her that. She just doesn't want a bike that nice. So, does anyone have any suggestions? Longer riding really comes down to fit. If you feel handy enough with a wrench (or know a shop that does), you might set up a used mixte frame for her. By paying close attention to comfort and fit, you could set up something that would make her even more interested in riding. There have been several stories of mixte conversions and resurrections over on the ibob list. But, really what you are looking for is pretty scarce in the new market. Combine the versatility of on and off road, and you're right back to the Betty Foy design tenet, a set of about one. Most of the lightly used off the shelf mixtes were set up with relatively narrow tires, so you'd probably be looking at a 65B conversion project. It's not difficult with a resurrection or conversion project to spend a good chunk o' change, and you might work the numbers with mom to point that out. Also, if your mom is only 50, she's probably got 20-30 years of riding ahead of her, which may help her to amortize the expense a bit in her mind. Good luck! Great to hear your mother is getting excited about riding. -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - Send them here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines I threw one leg over my battle-scarred all-terrain stump-jumper and rode several miles to work. I'd sprayed it with some cheap gold paint so it wouldn't look nice. Locked my bike to a radiator, because you never knew, and went in. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Introduction from Austin, TX
Shawn, Tyler State Park (just north of town) is a good place for bike camping. I've done a couple of S24Os there. http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/sets/72157612820991950/ Angus On Dec 2, 10:20 pm, shawn calamari6...@gmail.com wrote: Angus, I'm not in Tyler often, but am happy to know you are representing there. I would like to camp out that way sometime, I've heard it's really beautiful there. On Dec 1, 9:17 pm, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: That is a great looking RB-T Shawn! Love those bikes. I'm a bit further away, but there are other like minded cyclists in the great state of Texas. Angus Tyler TX If you are ever in the area... On Nov 30, 8:47 pm, shawn calamari6...@gmail.com wrote: HI All, I have been lurking here for a few weeks, and thought I would finally introduce myself. Although I do not currently own a Rivendell (I'm in Grad school) I do have two Bridgestones and hope that I will be welcome here. I definitely subscribe to the Rivendell/Grant Petersen philosophy and look forward to participating in future conversations. Here are some pics of my bikes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11139...@n00/4149086420/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/11139...@n00/4148325593/in/photostream/ Thanks, Shawn Austin, TX- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
I personally would look at the Bianchi Milano which, I think, comes with an 8 speed hub. I wanted to get a twee little one for my 8 yr old daughter but she preferred the cruiser style Electra Townie 3i. I personally like road bikes for grocery getting, drop bars, fixed gears and all. http://www.bianchiusa.com/603.html http://www.bianchiusa.com/603.htmlPatrick Moore, who is 50-something himself. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Austin Andrews austinfromthefoodc...@gmail.com wrote: All, My mother has a 3 speed bicycle that she rides around town on. She gets some groceries, visits friends, rides to the gym, that sort of thing. She's really taken to cycling and she's taken the bike on some longer rides, probably 30 miles at the longest. She wants to do more of this. She wants to ride up big hills, she wants to ride on groomed dirt paths, she wants to get even more groceries, she wants to go riding with friends; basically she wants a do it all bike that is comfortable, user friendly and will get her up that big hill coming up. She'd also like a mixte/step through because she is getting older and it's much easier to mount those sorts of frames. The 3 speed just isn't cutting it for those longer rides. I ask you, members of this lovely list, what sort of bicycle does this lady need? I know the obvious choice would be a Betty Foy but she is squeamish about the price tag. I really think she should get one but she just doesn't want to spend that much money on anything, be it a bike or whatever else might cost that much. I am well aware that the bikes are worth the money and I've told her that. She just doesn't want a bike that nice. So, does anyone have any suggestions? I honestly cannot think of a single bike she could buy off the rack that would fit the bill and look good doing it. Best, Austin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
Might I suggest Soma's mixte. A sample 3 speed build-up would be around 1300 dollars, can be found here. http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/soma/soma-mixte/ But in anything, you should really try to convince her on buying a bike that she'll be happy to keep for the rest of her life. And when it comes to buying a bike there is no other substitution to a Rivendell. The people there alone is the only reason why I suggest it over anything. If she is really having trouble with the price, you have to put in into terms of the bike paying itself off in the long run. As she bikes more she'll save money on gas, get healthier, never have to worry about parking, be happier. Why buy a bike that she might have to buy more into? When she can get something she won't have to worry about for a while. The price tag overweights the many benefits. Really when buying a bike most people need to get out of the notion that it's like buying a toy, buying a bike is more like investing in a different style of living. Hope all goes well with her bike search. Good luck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] AHH as a road bike
on 12/3/09 6:34 AM, Shawn at sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen¹s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can¹t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Tires are relatively cheap, and if you think that will give you the ride you are looking for, I'd slap on some 28's and ride. The first time I rode the Hilsen over at RBW, they only had a set of 28's, and it definitely handled a little differently than the way I've got it set up now (JB's/33 1/3). But, that was a short ride, and it wouldn't be reasonable to say I recall how/what/why. But, honestly, thinner tires do not a Rrrroady bike make. Jack Brown Greens are pretty danged (warning - loaded phrase to follow) light. A Conti 25mm is in the 215 gram range, while the JB(G) right around 300. So, you are dragging another couple hundred grams around on your club ride, which matters maybe on the climbs. There has been a significant discussion of tire sizes affecting speed over on the iBob list following the last Bicycle Quarterly (not the current edition). Jan's experiments tend to support the idea that a supple, larger volume tire is really faster than a highly inflated thin (23 mm) typical road tire. Folks will tell you that the narrow tires are faster, but there's less real-world evidence to support that. In other words, when the fast kids go steaming past me, I don't think it's really got anything to do with other than the engine. You could play with a lighter wheelset, tweak your riding position a bit and upgrade parts to drop a little weight. But, there's nothing about the Hilsen that won't let it go fast, if you want to push it. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines Steel's what you want for a messenger bike. Weight. Big basket up front. Not cardboard with some crazy aramid shit wrapped around it, weighs about as much as a sandwich. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
Some of the Specialized Globe and Civia models looks really nice, though 8 and 9-speed setups would be $1400-1550. http://www.globebikes.com/us/en/globe/GlobeBike.jsp?pid=10LIVE3 http://www.civiacycles.com/civiacomplete_loring.php The SOMA Mixte and Bianchi that have already been mentioned would have lower price points. Best of luck! -Cheryl On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Austin Andrews austinfromthefoodc...@gmail.com wrote: All, My mother has a 3 speed bicycle that she rides around town on. She gets some groceries, visits friends, rides to the gym, that sort of thing. She's really taken to cycling and she's taken the bike on some longer rides, probably 30 miles at the longest. She wants to do more of this. She wants to ride up big hills, she wants to ride on groomed dirt paths, she wants to get even more groceries, she wants to go riding with friends; basically she wants a do it all bike that is comfortable, user friendly and will get her up that big hill coming up. She'd also like a mixte/step through because she is getting older and it's much easier to mount those sorts of frames. The 3 speed just isn't cutting it for those longer rides. I ask you, members of this lovely list, what sort of bicycle does this lady need? I know the obvious choice would be a Betty Foy but she is squeamish about the price tag. I really think she should get one but she just doesn't want to spend that much money on anything, be it a bike or whatever else might cost that much. I am well aware that the bikes are worth the money and I've told her that. She just doesn't want a bike that nice. So, does anyone have any suggestions? I honestly cannot think of a single bike she could buy off the rack that would fit the bill and look good doing it. Best, Austin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- “Do or do not... there is no try.” - Yoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
At the risk of heresy and banishment: I like skinny road-ish tires on my road bike; they look better, feel fast, and are faster (on the same rides as fatter tires). I am not opposing the views of JH or anyone else in the fatter-is-better camp and fully accept the possibility that what makes them faster is that I think they are faster and I ride harder when I ride that bike. There is no silver bullet or secret sauce when it comes to what works and what doesnt, and for every person who says one thing there is someone else saying the exact opposite. For me it is about trying out the different options and finding out what works for me regardless of what the current trends and opinions happen to be (whether JH's, Riv's, or Bicyling's). That said, putting different tires and dropping the extras on the AHH would probably work great. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
On Dec 3, 2009, at 9:09 AM, newenglandbike wrote: Not to throw a wrench in your plans for the AHH, but Jan Heine et. al. recently published results of an extensive test involving various tires/widths and speed, and they found that rolling resistance is a *weak* function of tire width.In other words, tire width had little to do with rolling resistance. They found that wider tires at moderate pressures are actually faster than narrow tires at high pressures. I do not have the issue of BQ (I'm working on getting a copy) but is in Vol. 5, No. 1 (Autumn 2006). Does anyone here have the article? Yeah I do as do several of us, and Jan reads this mailing list too. I've always had some problem with that particular report which I've discussed with Jan at great length (without convincing him nor he convincing me). However, the results did match pretty well with what one would expect (tries with thick rubber being slower, tires with knobbier treads being slower, etc.). However in the last issue of BQ they published a *very* interesting test using a Tune PowerTap to measure the power necessary to maintain speed over smooth and rough pavement. In both cases they found the fatter, softer tires (a Panaracer Pasela 700 x 37) to take less power than a skinny hard tire (Bontrager 700 x 25) to maintain the same speed. Over smooth pavement the differences were smaller but still significant; over rough pavement the differences were startling. I found this article fascinating and hope that Jan does more with it. Directly measuring the watts it takes to roll a tire seems to me to provide the most immediately useful data about tires. Exciting stuff. (OK, I'm a geek). The short version is that skinner is not necessarily faster; higher inflation is not necessarily faster. On the steel drum rolling resistance machine, all other things being equal, wider is faster and harder is faster. On the road, wider is faster and softer is faster. There is no doubt a point of diminishing returns or we'd all be riding Pugsleys with 4 wide tires. The main issue with rolling resistance is hysteresis, the loss of energy in flexing the tire and tube. Thinner tread, supple casings, etc. roll faster. This appears to be true on steel drum RR rigs and on the road. In practical terms, I did many crits, road races and club rides on my cyclo-cross bike with Avocet 700 x 32 slicks. I was just as fast on that bike as on my race bike with 700 x 23s. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
I looked at the title, and I was thinking, OK, the guy wants a bike for his elderly mother, something she can ride from the retirement home to the grocery store half a mile away. Then I remembered-- oh yeah, I'm a fiftysomething mother. I need to stop thinking of fifty as ancient and decrepit. I suggest that if she is truly becoming more interested in cycling, her next bike doesn't have to be her last bike. The Betty Foy is a fine bike, but pricey. A solid mixte commute bike, with gears, doesn't have to be as expensive as the Betty. A bike like the Bianchi Milano, which someone recommended already, looks like a good choice. It's not too expensive, it has gears, it's good for commuting/errands but can still be ridden on longer rides. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Austin Andrews austinfromthefoodc...@gmail.com wrote: All, My mother has a 3 speed bicycle that she rides around town on. She gets some groceries, visits friends, rides to the gym, that sort of thing. She's really taken to cycling and she's taken the bike on some longer rides, probably 30 miles at the longest. She wants to do more of this. She wants to ride up big hills, she wants to ride on groomed dirt paths, she wants to get even more groceries, she wants to go riding with friends; basically she wants a do it all bike that is comfortable, user friendly and will get her up that big hill coming up. She'd also like a mixte/step through because she is getting older and it's much easier to mount those sorts of frames. -- -- Anne Paulson He who wills the ends wills the means -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
I have 35s. Not sure if there is a 32. I have never ridden the Jack Browns. The bike with the Kojaks came with Paselas. I find the Kojaks smoother, faster, and more comfortable. Chicago streets may not have the infamous goatsheads, but they have plenty of nasties. The pavement itself is often a challenge to tires. My niece has had her Kojaks for three seasons now, with only one flat. I have had no flats a season and a half. On Dec 3, 12:17 pm, LouisvillePatrick flightofthebomba...@gmail.com wrote: I have been tempted lately by the Kojak. What size do you run? Don't they make a 32 or 35? Can you compare them to Jack Browns? My Rx for road only is to get a nice treadless tire like the Schwalbe Kojak. It is relatively light, quality rubber, holds up very well on decent roads and is fast enough for most riders.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Fw: [RBW] A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
Austin: My 50 something wife LOVES her Trek Pure Lowstep Sport. I got her the triple front, wide range 7 speed rear. $500 ish bucks, goes up hills, over dirt, great bike. Upright seating, crank forward design. Better made IMO than the Electra Townie which however has lots more choices for color/style. My wife liked the front basket option, and there is a rear basket/rack option too. http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/bike_path/pure/puresportlowstep/ If Mom gets serious about riding, you can upgrade her to a Foy... From: Austin Andrews austinfromthefoodc...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 10:49:30 PM Subject: [RBW] A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother. All, My mother has a 3 speed bicycle that she rides around town on. She gets some groceries, visits friends, rides to the gym, that sort of thing. She's really taken to cycling and she's taken the bike on some longer rides, probably 30 miles at the longest. She wants to do more of this. She wants to ride up big hills, she wants to ride on groomed dirt paths, she wants to get even more groceries, she wants to go riding with friends; basically she wants a do it all bike that is comfortable, user friendly and will get her up that big hill coming up. She'd also like a mixte/step through because she is getting older and it's much easier to mount those sorts of frames. The 3 speed just isn't cutting it for those longer rides. I ask you, members of this lovely list, what sort of bicycle does this lady need? I know the obvious choice would be a Betty Foy but she is squeamish about the price tag. I really think she should get one but she just doesn't want to spend that much money on anything, be it a bike or whatever else might cost that much. I am well aware that the bikes are worth the money and I've told her that. She just doesn't want a bike that nice. So, does anyone have any suggestions? I honestly cannot think of a single bike she could buy off the rack that would fit the bill and look good doing it. Best, Austin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: If you need a 56 Hillborne...
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: MSL still has a green Hilborne or three left (don't remember the sizes off the top of my head); I know I rode a 56 and a 60, and a 61 AHH, before I ended up putting a Ram in layaway there). Great folks there. Now, I just need to keep pitchin' my lunch money at it 'til I can take it home :) I agree about the folks at Mountain Sports Ltd. They were very helpful last winter when I bought the atlantis and I do so love that bike. I've considered calling to find out what they have lingering in stock but I daren't do it lest I find myself en-route to bristol. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
Joel, If you don't mind and when you have a chance, could you post the *actual* width of the 35mm Kojak? I'm able to run a 32 with fenders, so I'm thinking the 35 will fit without. I would be grateful. Patrick On Dec 3, 2:07 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I have 35s. Not sure if there is a 32. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
On Dec 3, 12:03 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: They will if they weigh less. Especially if you're climbing. But still, facts are facts. Lighter wheels make a difference, especially if you're climbing. i don't disagree. maybe he should get some Zipp 303s tubulars? I like these wheels a lot and I'm definitely faster on them. In fact, I shaved almost 12 seconds off a 3 mile climb with the Zipps vs. a wheelset that weighs about a pound more. I'm thinking about getting a set for cyclocross racing next year because I could use those seconds to get me to the next level. I don't think my situation, however, is the same as the OP's ;) and, in this case, i think context matters more than a 300g savings in a tire change. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
I won't enter into the tire width debate. But I will offer the following data point. On a timed group ride a couple of years ago this guy came in 21st out of 107 on a Hilsen with 23 mm Continental tires: http://tinyurl.com/yldr4yv I didn't get to talk to him about how the Hilsen handled with 23s, but when considering the race results, the skinny tires don't seem to have been a detriment. Whether fatter tires would have made him faster is impossible to know, I suppose, but I somehow doubt it, given that the route was essentially one long climb from beginning to end, with some sections with steep gradients. By the way, this guy's bike build was rather unconventional in Rivendell's scheme of things: he had a threadless fork/stem, Campagnolo wheels, and a Campagnolo Record gruppo, which included carbon cranks and levers. I would imagine that his Hilsen was considerably lighter than a more typical Riv build. All of which is a long-winded way of saying that at least one person out there has transformed an ostensibly country bike Hilsen into a road bike and is successfully using it in that guise. Aaron On Dec 3, 10:46 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Dec 3, 2009, at 9:09 AM, newenglandbike wrote: Not to throw a wrench in your plans for the AHH, but Jan Heine et. al. recently published results of an extensive test involving various tires/widths and speed, and they found that rolling resistance is a *weak* function of tire width. In other words, tire width had little to do with rolling resistance. They found that wider tires at moderate pressures are actually faster than narrow tires at high pressures. I do not have the issue of BQ (I'm working on getting a copy) but is in Vol. 5, No. 1 (Autumn 2006). Does anyone here have the article? Yeah I do as do several of us, and Jan reads this mailing list too. I've always had some problem with that particular report which I've discussed with Jan at great length (without convincing him nor he convincing me). However, the results did match pretty well with what one would expect (tries with thick rubber being slower, tires with knobbier treads being slower, etc.). However in the last issue of BQ they published a *very* interesting test using a Tune PowerTap to measure the power necessary to maintain speed over smooth and rough pavement. In both cases they found the fatter, softer tires (a Panaracer Pasela 700 x 37) to take less power than a skinny hard tire (Bontrager 700 x 25) to maintain the same speed. Over smooth pavement the differences were smaller but still significant; over rough pavement the differences were startling. I found this article fascinating and hope that Jan does more with it. Directly measuring the watts it takes to roll a tire seems to me to provide the most immediately useful data about tires. Exciting stuff. (OK, I'm a geek). The short version is that skinner is not necessarily faster; higher inflation is not necessarily faster. On the steel drum rolling resistance machine, all other things being equal, wider is faster and harder is faster. On the road, wider is faster and softer is faster. There is no doubt a point of diminishing returns or we'd all be riding Pugsleys with 4 wide tires. The main issue with rolling resistance is hysteresis, the loss of energy in flexing the tire and tube. Thinner tread, supple casings, etc. roll faster. This appears to be true on steel drum RR rigs and on the road. In practical terms, I did many crits, road races and club rides on my cyclo-cross bike with Avocet 700 x 32 slicks. I was just as fast on that bike as on my race bike with 700 x 23s. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
But his Woolistic jersey from RBW is spot on... From: Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com By the way, this guy's bike build was rather unconventional in Rivendell's scheme of things -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
Austin: Christmas is coming. Didn't your mom give you some pretty cool stuff when you were a kid? Time to reciprocate! Lots of the hybrids (?) have steeply sloping TTs, maybe not quite mixte but getting close. If Betty's a non-starter, check with the better shops in your area to see who's got what brands. RoadieRyan's list has a lot of good choices. Depending on hills, an 8 speed IGH can be a nice solution. REI had a commuter bike in their latest flyer that was nicely equipped (rack, fenders, lights) for around $800 IIRC. dougP On Dec 2, 8:49 pm, Austin Andrews austinfromthefoodc...@gmail.com wrote: All, My mother has a 3 speed bicycle that she rides around town on. She gets some groceries, visits friends, rides to the gym, that sort of thing. She's really taken to cycling and she's taken the bike on some longer rides, probably 30 miles at the longest. She wants to do more of this. She wants to ride up big hills, she wants to ride on groomed dirt paths, she wants to get even more groceries, she wants to go riding with friends; basically she wants a do it all bike that is comfortable, user friendly and will get her up that big hill coming up. She'd also like a mixte/step through because she is getting older and it's much easier to mount those sorts of frames. The 3 speed just isn't cutting it for those longer rides. I ask you, members of this lovely list, what sort of bicycle does this lady need? I know the obvious choice would be a Betty Foy but she is squeamish about the price tag. I really think she should get one but she just doesn't want to spend that much money on anything, be it a bike or whatever else might cost that much. I am well aware that the bikes are worth the money and I've told her that. She just doesn't want a bike that nice. So, does anyone have any suggestions? I honestly cannot think of a single bike she could buy off the rack that would fit the bill and look good doing it. Best, Austin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
I use the Challenge on my Romulus, from time to time. They're very nice. They were a pain to mount on my Mavic Open Pro the first time, but have since stretched and when I go back to re-mount them, they go on relatively easily now. They are slightly plumper than a Roll-y Pol-y or Ruffy Tuffy, but not by much. In my experience they roll faster than both, though the RP/RT seem to have better grip in wet conditions (the Challenge slid around a in a couple of wet corners, though I didn't lose control and bite it). The herringbone tread pattern leads to some road hum and vibration that the semi-slick RP/RT don't have, but it isn't anything too bad. The Challenge tread also seems a bit more fragile than the RP/RT and is prone to get more cuts, though the cuts I've gotten so far are shallow and haven't gone through the casing (as far as I can tell). As for flat resistance, the Challenge have been good and comparable to the RT/RP: only one flat so far. (I never had a single flat on my Ruffy Tuffies and perhaps only 1 flat on my RPs.) Their price is a bit steep, but if that is no deterrent, they're definitely worth trying. A On Dec 3, 2:22 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 14:19 -0800, R Gonet wrote: While we're talking about boosting performance with a tire change, has anyone considered the Challenge Paris-Roubaix tires that Jan sells at Vintage Bicycling? They are supposed to be very fast. If anyone has them, I'd like to know what the 27 mm tires actually measure. A friend of mine is using them on his Rambouillet. He can't stop raving about how nice they are. I believe they measure 28mm. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.
If anyone wants to come but lacking a fixedgear to ride, I have a 52 or 54cm you can borrow. Contact me offllist and we will work out the details. On Dec 3, 3:06 pm, RonLau ron...@ronlau.com wrote: To all, The ride is this coming Sat. morning at 9:00AM. Meet at the snack shop. For those who might be late for whatever reason, please email me at ron...@ronlau.com or call 4083683922. See you all on Sat. Thanks, Ron On Nov 28, 6:38 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 11/28/09 1:42 PM, RonLau at ron...@ronlau.com wrote: Just a reminder. This ride is a week away. Could you confirm the meeting time and place? Thanks! -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
The herringbone tread pattern leads to some road hum and vibration that the semi-slick RP/RT don't have, but it isn't anything too bad. The Challenge tread also seems a bit more fragile than the RP/RT and is prone to get more cuts, though the cuts I've gotten so far are shallow and haven't gone through the casing (as far as I can tell). Based on everything I have read, Challenge tires have excellent components and craftsmanship. If you only ride on pavement, the tread at most establishes trade dress. Exactly for the reasons you note, I wish there were more high quality wider treadless tires on the market. On Dec 3, 5:08 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: I use the Challenge on my Romulus, from time to time. They're very nice. They were a pain to mount on my Mavic Open Pro the first time, but have since stretched and when I go back to re-mount them, they go on relatively easily now. They are slightly plumper than a Roll-y Pol-y or Ruffy Tuffy, but not by much. In my experience they roll faster than both, though the RP/RT seem to have better grip in wet conditions (the Challenge slid around a in a couple of wet corners, though I didn't lose control and bite it). The herringbone tread pattern leads to some road hum and vibration that the semi-slick RP/RT don't have, but it isn't anything too bad. The Challenge tread also seems a bit more fragile than the RP/RT and is prone to get more cuts, though the cuts I've gotten so far are shallow and haven't gone through the casing (as far as I can tell). As for flat resistance, the Challenge have been good and comparable to the RT/RP: only one flat so far. (I never had a single flat on my Ruffy Tuffies and perhaps only 1 flat on my RPs.) Their price is a bit steep, but if that is no deterrent, they're definitely worth trying. A On Dec 3, 2:22 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 14:19 -0800, R Gonet wrote: While we're talking about boosting performance with a tire change, has anyone considered the Challenge Paris-Roubaix tires that Jan sells at Vintage Bicycling? They are supposed to be very fast. If anyone has them, I'd like to know what the 27 mm tires actually measure. A friend of mine is using them on his Rambouillet. He can't stop raving about how nice they are. I believe they measure 28mm.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
In a message dated 12/3/2009 6:28:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joelmatth...@mac.com writes: The Challenge tread also seems a bit more fragile than the RP/RT and is prone to get more cuts, though the cuts I've gotten so far are shallow and haven't gone through the casing (as far as I can tell). Based on everything I have read, Challenge tires have excellent components and craftsmanship. If you only ride on pavement, the tread at most establishes trade dress. Here's my experience with the Challenge tire: Had my first flat (slow leak due to road grit) at 785 miles on the rear tire. Put a kevlar liner on the rear and have ridden an additional 572 miles without a flat on either tire. All miles, except for 8 miles of gravel roads, were on paved, although at time, roughly paved roads. The tread on both tires still looks excellent. In my opinion, the Challenge tire is the best tire I have ever ridden on. It's unbelievably comfortable, fast, and the durability, admittedly after only 1357 miles, is acceptable. Bill Louisville, Ky -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
I am sure the Challenge is a great tire. My point remains if you ride most of the time on paved surface, it will be even better without tread. May look odd to some eyes, but the ride will be more smooth. On Dec 3, 5:50 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/3/2009 6:28:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joelmatth...@mac.com writes: The Challenge tread also seems a bit more fragile than the RP/RT and is prone to get more cuts, though the cuts I've gotten so far are shallow and haven't gone through the casing (as far as I can tell). Based on everything I have read, Challenge tires have excellent components and craftsmanship. If you only ride on pavement, the tread at most establishes trade dress. Here's my experience with the Challenge tire: Had my first flat (slow leak due to road grit) at 785 miles on the rear tire. Put a kevlar liner on the rear and have ridden an additional 572 miles without a flat on either tire. All miles, except for 8 miles of gravel roads, were on paved, although at time, roughly paved roads. The tread on both tires still looks excellent. In my opinion, the Challenge tire is the best tire I have ever ridden on. It's unbelievably comfortable, fast, and the durability, admittedly after only 1357 miles, is acceptable. Bill Louisville, Ky -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] AHH as a road bike
Buy a set of tubular rims and tire. You'll see a huge difference. I have a Mercian for which I have a set of clinchers and set of tubular. Every time I switch I like the bike all over again.That works in both switches. I love it both ways, about the time I'm getting tired of the bike I switch and its new toy time all over again. _ From: David Faller [mailto:dfal...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:33 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] AHH as a road bike You probably need to identify what you personally consider to be better in a road bike. I thought about a Hilsen, but got a Ram. I'm not sure I could have told the difference at the time, as far as which was better. What I later found made an enormous difference was tires. I went from Ruffy Tuffy to Jack Brown greens. It's like a different (and better) bike! You might find the feel you're seeking by going the other direction and putting on narrower tires. IMHO, you should experiment extensively with tires on your Hilsen to see if you have some sort of revelation about feel. I think you'd regret trading away the Hilsen for some elusive sense of road feel. What if you did trade for a Ram and discovered you actually liked it less? - Original Message - From: Shawn mailto:sa240...@yahoo.com To: RBW Owners Bunch mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:34 AM Subject: [RBW] AHH as a road bike Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen's clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can't sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Long overdue
Sorry, but no on bike shifting: 14 fixed rear 16/19 freewheel rear 28/34 up front Went alright for the most part, I've definitely been thinking about a shifter for doing my next tour though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
I think some of the Raleigh bikes might make a good choice, here's an example of one presently on sale from REI: http://www.rei.com/product/784368 It looks rather nice with an aluminum frame, 24 gears, lights, fenders and rack. Not exactly a Mixte/step-through, but it has a sloping top tube. Another attractive possibility: http://www.trekbikes.com/women/wsd_products/bikes/bike_path/bellevillewsd/ The Trek, a true Mixte, also with fenders and lights, it comes with a 3-speed hub, but it would not probably be too difficult to switch it out to a hub gear with more speeds. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Dec 2, 9:49 pm, Austin Andrews austinfromthefoodc...@gmail.com wrote: All, My mother has a 3 speed bicycle that she rides around town on. She gets some groceries, visits friends, rides to the gym, that sort of thing. She's really taken to cycling and she's taken the bike on some longer rides, probably 30 miles at the longest. She wants to do more of this. She wants to ride up big hills, she wants to ride on groomed dirt paths, she wants to get even more groceries, she wants to go riding with friends; basically she wants a do it all bike that is comfortable, user friendly and will get her up that big hill coming up. She'd also like a mixte/step through because she is getting older and it's much easier to mount those sorts of frames. The 3 speed just isn't cutting it for those longer rides. I ask you, members of this lovely list, what sort of bicycle does this lady need? I know the obvious choice would be a Betty Foy but she is squeamish about the price tag. I really think she should get one but she just doesn't want to spend that much money on anything, be it a bike or whatever else might cost that much. I am well aware that the bikes are worth the money and I've told her that. She just doesn't want a bike that nice. So, does anyone have any suggestions? I honestly cannot think of a single bike she could buy off the rack that would fit the bill and look good doing it. Best, Austin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
On Dec 3, 5:19 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: They are supposed to be very fast. If anyone has them, I'd like to know what the 27 mm tires actually measure. I ride these. definitely my favorite 700c tire. measure closer to 29/30 on my rims. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
Shawn, This thread has taken off on wheels and tires, so I'd like to propose another factor to consider - position. I have an old Riv Road Standard that was my go-fast bike for many years. After a gap of a few years spent mostly riding a recumbent I returned to the Riv and took it on a few rides with the local club. Now, this club as a rule rides fast and hard (cruising at 20+, bursts to 28 mph on the last flatland ride I did with them), and I found that sitting relatively upright on the Riv was not working for that kind of effort. I tried adjusting the Riv for a sportier position, but wasn't able to get it to 'gel'. I wound up falling into a deal on a modern racing frame with a slightly shorter top tube and steeper seat angle than the Riv, and darned if I'm not both faster and more comfortable *for that kind of riding*. It may be heresy around here, but racers ride racing bikes for a reason. When I'm taking it easy on my own or riding with a slower friend I don't ride the racer, it would beat me up too much. That's when I ride either the Riv (with the bars back up where Grant intended and the widest tires that will fit), or my 650b wheeled Kogswell, either of which are more at home at an easier pace. The AHH is built to be even slacker and more upright than my old Riv Road was. I'd say try light wheels and tires on the AHH as a go-fast, but recognize that it may not let you get into an optimal position for sporting riding. If it's not what you need, and a new Roadeo is out of reach, start scanning Craigslist or ebay for something used that might work better for you. There are deals to be had if you're patient - my go-fast frame cost me just over 1/3 of the price of a new one, and it looked essentially new when I picked it up. Bill On Dec 3, 6:34 am, Shawn sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen’s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can’t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
On Dec 3, 12:01 pm, Shawn sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: Good point, I do love the Hilsen, I was just under the impression that the Ram was more of a road type of bike than the Hilsen. I will definitely experiment with different types of tires and set ups before I do any trading or selling. Hey Shawn, I have a Rambouillet and a Hilsen. I have the Ram currently set-up with RTs and the Hilsen with Panarcer T-serves (700x35, basically like a Pasela but more durrable). There are differences with both bikes. The Ram is a 62 and the Hilsen a 63. The Ram sometimes feels faster but the Hilsen is more comfortable. There are slight differences in the way they're set-up. I've ridden tons of centuries on each and complete brevet series on each. Both have worked well. Still, if I had to choose one I'd keep the Hilsen hands down. It makes a great road bike. Hell, if I had the funds... I'd have two Hilsens, one set up with big tires, no fenders, triple and BE shifters and another set up with DT shifters, fenders and JB greens. The Hilsen is a great bike. As for tires... over the past three years I've been riding bigger tires (JBs, Paselas, Contacts, Schwalbe and T-serves). I like the shape and feel of the JB but I was using the blues and they did feel a bit dead. I really like Paselas but had problems with the sidewalls. The T-Serves are good. The Contacts... not so much. The Schwalbe Marathons that I toured on this past summer were great for touring on and off road but I don't know that I'd want to use them all the time. I think after the T-serves die I'll try some Marathon Supremes. I'm not sure what tires I'll use next year for brevets. I'm sure I'll go back and forth. Durability and dependibility trump speed for me when it comes to brevets so I may go with T-serves. Given what people here have said you might want to try some JB greens. If you like those, or some similar tire, why not just get some lighter wheels built up? Have fun exploring your options. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
Jim, Living in sunny southern California, I've never had much need to fender my Romulus -- and hence never have. According to Riv's Romulus catalog specs, it is supposed to be able to take a 32 mm tire with fenders or 35 without, so I'm confident my Romulus could fit fenders and the Challenge tires. It also uses the standard reach brakes. My understanding of the old Road Standard that you have is that it uses short reach brakes. Right? If so, it probably tighter clearance than the Romulus. I don't own a micrometer, so I can't comment with any accuracy on the width, but I seem to recall measuring the height once at about 28-29 mm from the top of the rim to the top of the tread. They're definitely plumper than their 27 mm label and I'd be inclined to agree with others who say they're more like 28-30 wide. From what I remember of the Pasela non-TG in 28 (which I briefly tried before the Challenge), the Challenge are roughly the same width and height on my Mavic Open Pro, if that gives you anything to grab onto for comparison's sake. (But the Challenge are a much nicer tire!) I hope this helps. Aaron On Dec 3, 5:01 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: Aaron, Just curious, does your Romulus have fenders? If so, what kind and is there a decent amount of clearance? I'm presently running a set of Panaracer Category Pro tires on my Rivendell Road Standard (this is one of the original models, made in 1996). The tires are marked 700x28C, but they actually measure closer to 25mm in height and width mounted on Mavic MA2 rims. I'm able to install or remove the tires from my bike with deflating them (although the clearance with my Suntour Superbe Pro sidepull caliper brakes doesn't make removal easy). At some point, I'm probably going to buy either the Grand Bois Cerf tires (Blue or Green label) or the Challenge Paris-Roubaix, but I'd like to keep my fenders mounted on my bike. I'd appreciate your reply. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Dec 3, 4:08 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: I use the Challenge on my Romulus, from time to time. They're very nice. They were a pain to mount on my Mavic Open Pro the first time, but have since stretched and when I go back to re-mount them, they go on relatively easily now. They are slightly plumper than a Roll-y Pol-y or Ruffy Tuffy, but not by much. In my experience they roll faster than both, though the RP/RT seem to have better grip in wet conditions (the Challenge slid around a in a couple of wet corners, though I didn't lose control and bite it). The herringbone tread pattern leads to some road hum and vibration that the semi-slick RP/RT don't have, but it isn't anything too bad. The Challenge tread also seems a bit more fragile than the RP/RT and is prone to get more cuts, though the cuts I've gotten so far are shallow and haven't gone through the casing (as far as I can tell). As for flat resistance, the Challenge have been good and comparable to the RT/RP: only one flat so far. (I never had a single flat on my Ruffy Tuffies and perhaps only 1 flat on my RPs.) Their price is a bit steep, but if that is no deterrent, they're definitely worth trying. A On Dec 3, 2:22 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 14:19 -0800, R Gonet wrote: While we're talking about boosting performance with a tire change, has anyone considered the Challenge Paris-Roubaix tires that Jan sells at Vintage Bicycling? They are supposed to be very fast. If anyone has them, I'd like to know what the 27 mm tires actually measure. A friend of mine is using them on his Rambouillet. He can't stop raving about how nice they are. I believe they measure 28mm. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
Not that I can maintain 20 mph any more -- I could, solo, in my youthful 40s; I can still maintain 18 solo on a flat out and back -- but as to Rivs being slower because of the favored riding position, let me say ad contram that the butt back position that Rivs encourage is, for me, precisely the position that gives me a low back and a lot of power. I wish I had had my two customs made with 72 seat tube angles instead of 72; as it is, I literally use a rubber mallet to get the saddles (Flites) all the way back on the considerable-offset older Dura Ace posts. Bars on short (8 cm) stems 2 below saddle. A steeper st angle would, for me, be awkward and slow. I would not discount a Riv design for fast riding --or, for that matter, for low bars. Lastly, I am not sure, but I think that older racing bikes (I have a 1973 Motobecane Grand Record; I used to own an oldish school 1989 Falcon) have geometries similar to the Rivs: long rear-center, short front-center, slacker st angles, encouraging a butt back position good for power and good weight balance for precise handling. The Motobecane mimics my Rivs quite well -- which is why I like it. YMMV, of course. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: Shawn, This thread has taken off on wheels and tires, so I'd like to propose another factor to consider - position. I have an old Riv Road Standard that was my go-fast bike for many years. After a gap of a few years spent mostly riding a recumbent I returned to the Riv and took it on a few rides with the local club. Now, this club as a rule rides fast and hard (cruising at 20+, bursts to 28 mph on the last flatland ride I did with them), and I found that sitting relatively upright on the Riv was not working for that kind of effort. I tried adjusting the Riv for a sportier position, but wasn't able to get it to 'gel'. I wound up falling into a deal on a modern racing frame with a slightly shorter top tube and steeper seat angle than the Riv, and darned if I'm not both faster and more comfortable *for that kind of riding*. It may be heresy around here, but racers ride racing bikes for a reason. When I'm taking it easy on my own or riding with a slower friend I don't ride the racer, it would beat me up too much. That's when I ride either the Riv (with the bars back up where Grant intended and the widest tires that will fit), or my 650b wheeled Kogswell, either of which are more at home at an easier pace. The AHH is built to be even slacker and more upright than my old Riv Road was. I'd say try light wheels and tires on the AHH as a go-fast, but recognize that it may not let you get into an optimal position for sporting riding. If it's not what you need, and a new Roadeo is out of reach, start scanning Craigslist or ebay for something used that might work better for you. There are deals to be had if you're patient - my go-fast frame cost me just over 1/3 of the price of a new one, and it looked essentially new when I picked it up. Bill On Dec 3, 6:34 am, Shawn sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen’s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can’t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
[RBW] Re: A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
How 'bout a fixer-upper? For my 50-something Mom, I found an early-80s Peugeot mixte for $15, added alloy rims, brake pads, new cables, tires, fenders, and a used Brooks Flyer. If you found such a bike, and paid a bike shop to do what I did, you could probably get it in for $500-ish. Anyway, here is the result: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiawathacyclery/4119187279/ Her previous bike was a Breezer Freedom 3sp, which was the source of numerous complaints on any ride more than 5 miles. On the new Peugeot, first time out, she rode 25 miles, with no complaints about the saddle, and she was able to ride at a decent speed. Those clunky comfort and city bikes marketed currently are rarely nice to ride, but a classic steel bike with decent high-pressure tires is a joy. On Dec 2, 10:49 pm, Austin Andrews austinfromthefoodc...@gmail.com wrote: All, My mother has a 3 speed bicycle that she rides around town on. She gets some groceries, visits friends, rides to the gym, that sort of thing. She's really taken to cycling and she's taken the bike on some longer rides, probably 30 miles at the longest. She wants to do more of this. She wants to ride up big hills, she wants to ride on groomed dirt paths, she wants to get even more groceries, she wants to go riding with friends; basically she wants a do it all bike that is comfortable, user friendly and will get her up that big hill coming up. She'd also like a mixte/step through because she is getting older and it's much easier to mount those sorts of frames. The 3 speed just isn't cutting it for those longer rides. I ask you, members of this lovely list, what sort of bicycle does this lady need? I know the obvious choice would be a Betty Foy but she is squeamish about the price tag. I really think she should get one but she just doesn't want to spend that much money on anything, be it a bike or whatever else might cost that much. I am well aware that the bikes are worth the money and I've told her that. She just doesn't want a bike that nice. So, does anyone have any suggestions? I honestly cannot think of a single bike she could buy off the rack that would fit the bill and look good doing it. Best, Austin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.
So, at the end of the ride, there will be a pack of tired fixed/SS riders weaving up the hill out of Sausalito? Sounds like fun to me. I'll be there. jim m On Dec 3, 3:19 pm, RonLau ron...@ronlau.com wrote: If anyone wants to come but lacking a fixedgear to ride, I have a 52 or 54cm you can borrow. Contact me offllist and we will work out the details. On Dec 3, 3:06 pm, RonLau ron...@ronlau.com wrote: To all, The ride is this coming Sat. morning at 9:00AM. Meet at the snack shop. For those who might be late for whatever reason, please email me at ron...@ronlau.com or call 4083683922. See you all on Sat. Thanks, Ron On Nov 28, 6:38 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 11/28/09 1:42 PM, RonLau at ron...@ronlau.com wrote: Just a reminder. This ride is a week away. Could you confirm the meeting time and place? Thanks! -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
I had a Bianchi Milano for a while. Cool looking but really not that fun to ride. It was fine for short errands but I wouldn't recommend it for longer rides. It has a very dead feeling frame with big aluminum tubes, and a sluggish ride. I agree with Mr. Thill's idea for a mixte fixer-upper. Peugeots are fine but are made from lesser steel, and you have to deal with French threading. You can find old Japanese mixtes made from chrome moly (also some Raleighs and Carltons) that provide a better foundation from which to build, IMHO. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] a bicycle for my 50+ mother
I second the Trek FX, my wife, at age 67, has a 7.3, she rides fairly hard, 12-16 mph and can go all day on it. No need for a granny bike. Roger Skallerud Belle Fourche, SD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Quickbeam Tracking Number!!!
When I checked my personal email after work I discovered that I'd been sent the tracking number for my new Quickbeam. Since I live in Honolulu it's going to take a few days, but if all goes as planned it will arrive next Tuesday, 12/8. I'd actually spoken with Jay at Riv about some last minute things this morning and he said they were boxing it up after taking a test ride and such. There is a big difference, I've discovered, between being told it is going to ship and actually getting a tracking number. Now comes the hard part...waiting. Still, living in the middle of the Pacific, I've had lots of practice. I plan on documenting the unpacking and such so I'll let everyone know how it goes. Aloha! -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrixblog.statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Long overdue
What kind of front lowrider rack is that you're using. Sounds fun! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Dec 3, 4:04 pm, Paul paulr...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, but no on bike shifting: 14 fixed rear 16/19 freewheel rear 28/34 up front Went alright for the most part, I've definitely been thinking about a shifter for doing my next tour though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.
Jim, Cool. See you then. Ron On Dec 3, 6:42 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: So, at the end of the ride, there will be a pack of tired fixed/SS riders weaving up the hill out of Sausalito? Sounds like fun to me. I'll be there. jim m On Dec 3, 3:19 pm, RonLau ron...@ronlau.com wrote: If anyone wants to come but lacking a fixedgear to ride, I have a 52 or 54cm you can borrow. Contact me offllist and we will work out the details. On Dec 3, 3:06 pm, RonLau ron...@ronlau.com wrote: To all, The ride is this coming Sat. morning at 9:00AM. Meet at the snack shop. For those who might be late for whatever reason, please email me at ron...@ronlau.com or call 4083683922. See you all on Sat. Thanks, Ron On Nov 28, 6:38 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 11/28/09 1:42 PM, RonLau at ron...@ronlau.com wrote: Just a reminder. This ride is a week away. Could you confirm the meeting time and place? Thanks! -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: A bicycle for my fifty something year old mother.
Speaking of Peugeot mixtes, here's a great documentation of a rebuild 650b conversion on one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/27089...@n00/sets/72157622773209148/ Just stylin'!!! On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: How 'bout a fixer-upper? For my 50-something Mom, I found an early-80s Peugeot mixte for $15, added alloy rims, brake pads, new cables, tires, fenders, and a used Brooks Flyer. If you found such a bike, and paid a bike shop to do what I did, you could probably get it in for $500-ish. Anyway, here is the result: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiawathacyclery/4119187279/ Her previous bike was a Breezer Freedom 3sp, which was the source of numerous complaints on any ride more than 5 miles. On the new Peugeot, first time out, she rode 25 miles, with no complaints about the saddle, and she was able to ride at a decent speed. Those clunky comfort and city bikes marketed currently are rarely nice to ride, but a classic steel bike with decent high-pressure tires is a joy. On Dec 2, 10:49 pm, Austin Andrews austinfromthefoodc...@gmail.com wrote: All, My mother has a 3 speed bicycle that she rides around town on. She gets some groceries, visits friends, rides to the gym, that sort of thing. She's really taken to cycling and she's taken the bike on some longer rides, probably 30 miles at the longest. She wants to do more of this. She wants to ride up big hills, she wants to ride on groomed dirt paths, she wants to get even more groceries, she wants to go riding with friends; basically she wants a do it all bike that is comfortable, user friendly and will get her up that big hill coming up. She'd also like a mixte/step through because she is getting older and it's much easier to mount those sorts of frames. The 3 speed just isn't cutting it for those longer rides. I ask you, members of this lovely list, what sort of bicycle does this lady need? I know the obvious choice would be a Betty Foy but she is squeamish about the price tag. I really think she should get one but she just doesn't want to spend that much money on anything, be it a bike or whatever else might cost that much. I am well aware that the bikes are worth the money and I've told her that. She just doesn't want a bike that nice. So, does anyone have any suggestions? I honestly cannot think of a single bike she could buy off the rack that would fit the bill and look good doing it. Best, Austin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Tracking Number!!!
Congratulations! You're about to be one of the official Pilotes du Quickbeam. Great bike. BTW - You're going to love seeing how well they pack those things. On Dec 3, 9:58 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: When I checked my personal email after work I discovered that I'd been sent the tracking number for my new Quickbeam. Since I live in Honolulu it's going to take a few days, but if all goes as planned it will arrive next Tuesday, 12/8. I'd actually spoken with Jay at Riv about some last minute things this morning and he said they were boxing it up after taking a test ride and such. There is a big difference, I've discovered, between being told it is going to ship and actually getting a tracking number. Now comes the hard part...waiting. Still, living in the middle of the Pacific, I've had lots of practice. I plan on documenting the unpacking and such so I'll let everyone know how it goes. Aloha! -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrixblog.statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bay Area Fixedgear ride, Dec. 5 Sat.
on 12/3/09 3:06 PM, RonLau at ron...@ronlau.com wrote: The ride is this coming Sat. morning at 9:00AM. Meet at the snack shop. For those who might be late for whatever reason, please email me at ron...@ronlau.com or call 4083683922. See you all on Sat. Excellent! I'm just trying to figure out if I can get away with not remounting the fenders for Saturday's ride. Should be there on an orange bicycle. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
