[RBW] Re: Cheviot in 2024

[jaredwilson]

Shoot, it's "Mouse" not "Moose"

None the less, enjoy the ride!

jared



On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:28:06 PM UTC-8 Drurad (Sacramento) wrote:

> So stoked on this photo!!!
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 5:01:58 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>
>> [image: C963BEC1-EE1F-44C1-BB4B-044E35CB1E48.jpeg]
>>
>> Thanks to some fine NorCal folks I’m the proud new owner of this fun 
>> riding Cheviot. Cheers to 2024!
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot in 2024

[Drurad (Sacramento)]

So stoked on this photo!!!

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 5:01:58 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:

> [image: C963BEC1-EE1F-44C1-BB4B-044E35CB1E48.jpeg]
>
> Thanks to some fine NorCal folks I’m the proud new owner of this fun 
> riding Cheviot. Cheers to 2024!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Jason Fuller]

I like the Wandrer goals especially because it forces one to explore their 
surroundings thoroughly. I haven't set a goal specific to this, but I 
should consider it. It's probably my top pick for things that are magical 
about riding a bike.  It's my kind of competitive. 

The only goal I've explicitly set for myself is to bike-commute at least 
once every week for the year, excluding vacation weeks. I only need to go 
in twice a week, otherwise i'm wfh. It's about an hour's ride each way; not 
too long but long enough it takes a bit of commitment.  I typically end up 
in the 6000 - 7500 km range for the year. 

Another, less explicit goal is to get out for at least a few overnighter 
campouts on the bike. Three to six nights is reasonable. We have two dogs, 
one of which is quite reactive and a stress-ball, so we can't get 
dog-sitters nor take him with; this means I have to leave my partner to 
take care of both dogs (which need to be walked separately) so being away 
is a bit of an ask; hence the modest goal here. It's a balance. 

On Friday 12 January 2024 at 18:32:41 UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> My goals for 2024 are to enjoy every ride I take and to break for coffee 
> outdoors on any ride over one hour in duration. We'll see if I can achieve 
> them. 
>
> Steve in Asheville
>
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 8:19:54 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> I'm planning on completing a 200k, 300k and 400k randonee in preparation 
>> for the SRCC Terrible Two (TT), where I am hoping to finish with at least 
>> an hour of time to spare.  I've only completed the TT with under 30 minutes 
>> to spare and am trying to pick up the pace for "fun", why not?
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Kim H.]

@Leah -

I am certain with your new anodized bicycle parts will make you smile 
loudly with a lot of joy making you go faster than ever before.

Enjoy !

Kim Hetzel enjoying my blue 52cm Clem with a lot of joy and smiles. 

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 3:40:37 PM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:

> I had the pleasure to meet and converse with Paul at the Philly Bike Expo. 
> His approachability, perspective and overall friendliness adds to the MUSA 
> points and makes me a fan of his parts any time I can use them. I think I'm 
> dearly holding on to my orange Rambouillet because of the center bolt Racer 
> brakes I added years ago to make room for more fender and tire.
>
> Name that bike "Varod". 
>
> Andy Cheatham 
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
>> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
>> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
>> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>
>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>
>> We colored it all. 
>>
>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>>
>> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
>> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
>> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
>> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
>> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
>> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>>
>> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
>> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
>> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
>> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
>> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
>> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
>> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>>
>> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
>> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
>> never seen. 
>>
>> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul 
>> emblems. 
>>
>> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>>
>> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
>> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
>> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
>> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
>> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>>
>> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I 
>> have heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their 
>> own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like 
>> me.
>>
>> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
>> asked. 
>>
>> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Richard (I hope I got your name right),

Please provide more details.  Like you I have a 51 Gus and it weighs 40lbs 
and I am having second thoughts of bringing it to my next big trip.
I am thinking of bringing my 48 Hunqapillar but I prefer the ride quality 
of my Gus.
I also consider myself not a weight weenie when buying parts and 
accessories.
But after getting my Gus, it felt heavy compared to my 48 Hunqapillar 
(26"), 50 Atlantis (26") and 51 Appaloosa (650b).

Thanks Richard!

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 9:05:10 AM UTC+8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am in the middle of a cold weather tear down / deep cleaning of my Clem 
> L. This project started with ordering a new chain & large chainring to 
> replace worn units. I start taking things apart and am unable to stop. 
> Bottom bracket felt crappy so took it out and everything was just really 
> dirty so I did not stop until I had a bare frame. In the process a couple 
> of interesting things were discovered.
> First item pertains to the new chainring for my Silver wide / low crank. 
> Its aluminum of course as described by Riv. What is interesting is the 
> original was steel and a relative boat anchor! This discovery led me down a 
> rabbit hole of weighing everything. I have never been a weight weenie even 
> less so since getting my Rivs. But, armed with a very accurate scale and a 
> driveway covered in snow I started taking notes...
> That aluminum chainring saved me 85 grams weighing in at a scant 58.5 
> grams vs the originals 163.5. Held in ones hand that felt like at least a 
> pound. I am curious about when Riv started making the larger rings out of 
> aluminum?
> The size 52 Clem L bare frame with headset cups installed weighs 2,932 
> grams or 6lbs. 7.4 ounces, topping my list of things I did not need to know.
> The bare fork is 1,063 grams or 2lbs. 5.5 ounces. I feel certain the fork 
> on my large Gus is twice that!
> My 650b cliffhanger wheels built with 36 hole deore hubs shod with 
> Simworks Homage tires mounted with tubes come out to 4lbs. 7.1 ounces rear 
> and 4lbs. 0.3 ounces front. Cassette and q.r. skewers not included.
> I will be weighing everything else before assembly but probably will not 
> bore the group with the details. I will say this; I am very interested in 
> why my Gus weighs at least 32lbs. while another guy's weighs 26! I must 
> find out why.:)
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

[Kim H.]

The quest for knowledge continues to grow with anticipation and wonder.

Kim Hetzel.

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 5:05:10 PM UTC-8 Richard Rose wrote:

> I am in the middle of a cold weather tear down / deep cleaning of my Clem 
> L. This project started with ordering a new chain & large chainring to 
> replace worn units. I start taking things apart and am unable to stop. 
> Bottom bracket felt crappy so took it out and everything was just really 
> dirty so I did not stop until I had a bare frame. In the process a couple 
> of interesting things were discovered.
> First item pertains to the new chainring for my Silver wide / low crank. 
> Its aluminum of course as described by Riv. What is interesting is the 
> original was steel and a relative boat anchor! This discovery led me down a 
> rabbit hole of weighing everything. I have never been a weight weenie even 
> less so since getting my Rivs. But, armed with a very accurate scale and a 
> driveway covered in snow I started taking notes...
> That aluminum chainring saved me 85 grams weighing in at a scant 58.5 
> grams vs the originals 163.5. Held in ones hand that felt like at least a 
> pound. I am curious about when Riv started making the larger rings out of 
> aluminum?
> The size 52 Clem L bare frame with headset cups installed weighs 2,932 
> grams or 6lbs. 7.4 ounces, topping my list of things I did not need to know.
> The bare fork is 1,063 grams or 2lbs. 5.5 ounces. I feel certain the fork 
> on my large Gus is twice that!
> My 650b cliffhanger wheels built with 36 hole deore hubs shod with 
> Simworks Homage tires mounted with tubes come out to 4lbs. 7.1 ounces rear 
> and 4lbs. 0.3 ounces front. Cassette and q.r. skewers not included.
> I will be weighing everything else before assembly but probably will not 
> bore the group with the details. I will say this; I am very interested in 
> why my Gus weighs at least 32lbs. while another guy's weighs 26! I must 
> find out why.:)
>

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[RBW] Grant's Mountain Today

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Mt. Diablo, on a cold morning today, peeking out from under the clouds. Rain is 
coming tomorrow, but today was just cold and cloudy.

Shot on film with a Pentax camera on Kodak film. Processed and scanned at home.



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[RBW] Re: WTB/T Nitto Tallux 5cm Stem

[John Rinker]

Thank you, Michael! This will certainly be my next step after I give the 
'reduce, reuse' strategy a go. 

Cheers, John

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 3:42:37 PM UTC-8 Michael Connors wrote:

> Crust has 5cm x 250 Technomic stems for $55
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/stems/products/nitto-technomic-stem
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 4:59:06 PM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Gonna bump this 'cause I'm still hoping someone's holding. Cheers. 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 10:56:24 AM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> Looking to shorten my reach a bit, and I'm wondering if one of you might 
>>> be holding a Nitto Tallux 5 or 6cm stem (25.4, 225mm). I'm happy to 
>>> purchase or I have an 8cm, 26.0 for trade.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Bicycle Fan Club now open for membership

[Steve]

I just now joined the club!

I like the idea - Good on you G.P. & good on RBW.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bicycle-fan-club?mc_cid=58d4e2075a&mc_eid=5d4cbaf1a4

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Steve]

My goals for 2024 are to enjoy every ride I take and to break for coffee 
outdoors on any ride over one hour in duration. We'll see if I can achieve 
them. 

Steve in Asheville


On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 8:19:54 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm planning on completing a 200k, 300k and 400k randonee in preparation 
> for the SRCC Terrible Two (TT), where I am hoping to finish with at least 
> an hour of time to spare.  I've only completed the TT with under 30 minutes 
> to spare and am trying to pick up the pace for "fun", why not?
>
> Toshi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm planning on completing a 200k, 300k and 400k randonee in preparation
for the SRCC Terrible Two (TT), where I am hoping to finish with at least
an hour of time to spare.  I've only completed the TT with under 30 minutes
to spare and am trying to pick up the pace for "fun", why not?

Toshi

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot in 2024

[jaredwilson]

Looking slick.

Love your 2-speed Clem build and good to see Moose has a home on the Chev 
as well!

Makes me miss my old 60cm Cheviot, if you want trade (locally) for a 64cm 
Clem in the same color give me a holler ;)

jared

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 5:01:58 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:

> [image: C963BEC1-EE1F-44C1-BB4B-044E35CB1E48.jpeg]
>
> Thanks to some fine NorCal folks I’m the proud new owner of this fun 
> riding Cheviot. Cheers to 2024!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

[Richard Rose]

I am in the middle of a cold weather tear down / deep cleaning of my Clem 
L. This project started with ordering a new chain & large chainring to 
replace worn units. I start taking things apart and am unable to stop. 
Bottom bracket felt crappy so took it out and everything was just really 
dirty so I did not stop until I had a bare frame. In the process a couple 
of interesting things were discovered.
First item pertains to the new chainring for my Silver wide / low crank. 
Its aluminum of course as described by Riv. What is interesting is the 
original was steel and a relative boat anchor! This discovery led me down a 
rabbit hole of weighing everything. I have never been a weight weenie even 
less so since getting my Rivs. But, armed with a very accurate scale and a 
driveway covered in snow I started taking notes...
That aluminum chainring saved me 85 grams weighing in at a scant 58.5 grams 
vs the originals 163.5. Held in ones hand that felt like at least a pound. 
I am curious about when Riv started making the larger rings out of aluminum?
The size 52 Clem L bare frame with headset cups installed weighs 2,932 
grams or 6lbs. 7.4 ounces, topping my list of things I did not need to know.
The bare fork is 1,063 grams or 2lbs. 5.5 ounces. I feel certain the fork 
on my large Gus is twice that!
My 650b cliffhanger wheels built with 36 hole deore hubs shod with Simworks 
Homage tires mounted with tubes come out to 4lbs. 7.1 ounces rear and 4lbs. 
0.3 ounces front. Cassette and q.r. skewers not included.
I will be weighing everything else before assembly but probably will not 
bore the group with the details. I will say this; I am very interested in 
why my Gus weighs at least 32lbs. while another guy's weighs 26! I must 
find out why.:)

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[RBW] Re: WTB/T Nitto Tallux 5cm Stem

[Michael Connors]

Crust has 5cm x 250 Technomic stems for $55
https://crustbikes.com/collections/stems/products/nitto-technomic-stem
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 4:59:06 PM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:

> Gonna bump this 'cause I'm still hoping someone's holding. Cheers. 
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 10:56:24 AM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> Looking to shorten my reach a bit, and I'm wondering if one of you might 
>> be holding a Nitto Tallux 5 or 6cm stem (25.4, 225mm). I'm happy to 
>> purchase or I have an 8cm, 26.0 for trade.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[ascpgh]

I had the pleasure to meet and converse with Paul at the Philly Bike Expo. 
His approachability, perspective and overall friendliness adds to the MUSA 
points and makes me a fan of his parts any time I can use them. I think I'm 
dearly holding on to my orange Rambouillet because of the center bolt Racer 
brakes I added years ago to make room for more fender and tire.

Name that bike "Varod". 

Andy Cheatham 
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>
> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
> email) and we made a plan. 
>
> We colored it all. 
>
> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>
> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>
> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>
> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
> never seen. 
>
> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul emblems. 
>
> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>
> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>
> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I have 
> heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their own 
> right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like me.
>
> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
> asked. 
>
> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>
> Leah
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Patrick Moore]

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:40 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Responding to Bill L's 2nd thought experiment, here's my quick $0.02
> (can't find the cent key)
>
> Is Cyclist A's bike fast?
> It's as fast they like it to be.  They report 'happy' not necessarily fast
>
> Is the magical encouragement claimed by Cyclist B all in their head?
> No, with the initial gearing, they felt a higher gear would be ok and it
> worked out to be so.   Good for them
>
> Is "a slightly under geared bike" and "encourages me to ride one cog
> smaller" the exact same thing?
> Good point, in this case it seems to be.
>

For what it's worth, my "one gear higher" is based on a years' long
comfortable cruising gear, or very small range, basically 70-72" for a
heavier bike that carries loads. When I say that a bike encourages a gear 1
tooth smaller, that means about 75" instead of about 70". For the Herse and
the Matthews #1, for example, that meant I'd feel like riding a ~74-75"
gear in the same conditions that for the 2003 Curt I'd feel most
comfortable in a ~70" gear.


> Assumptions
> 1  both bikes have same tubing since weight is given as 17# for both with
> no qualifications for other components
> 2  A and B weigh about the same, within 20#
>
> Observation
> The gearing change was about 6% higher in both cases or about 4.4gi if
> using 700x32 tires (74.4gi to 78.8gi).  This is pretty much my upper
> cruising range, so we are not talking hills.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 02:03:29 PM EST, Bill Lindsay <
> tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I only got one taker on my last thought experiment.  Here's another one:
>
> Cyclist A has a 17-pound fixie.  They take a guess at a gear for the
> fixie, install a 49x18 and ride it around.  They decide "This seems a
> little under geared." and they switch the 18 tooth cog for a 17.  They ride
> that and decide "this is just right" and ride the bike happily
>
> Cyclist B has a 17-pound fixie.  They take a guess at a gear for the
> fixie, install a 49x18 and declare this is "usual". They ride it around and
> find the bicycle encourages them to ride one tooth smaller.  They obey the
> bicycle's encouragement and switch the 18 tooth cog for a 17.  They ride
> that happily, and ask everyone around them "What makes this bike encourage
> me to ride one tooth smaller than usual, consistently?"
>
> Is Cyclist A's bike fast?  Is the magical encouragement claimed by Cyclist
> B all in their head?  Is "a slightly under geared bike" and "encourages me
> to ride one cog smaller" the exact same thing?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:42:00 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> OK, thought experiment time!
>
> You have to build four bikes. All four bikes must fit you identically.
> All the contact points of all four bikes will be identical.  All four bikes
> will have geometry/handling that are similar enough to each other that
> you'll concede they ride/handle the same.
>
> Bike A is for sand and has 3.0" wide tires and weighs 30 pounds
> Bike B is for grocery runs, pavement and firm dirt.  It's got front and
> rear derailleurs and weighs 30 pounds unloaded and 75 pounds with groceries
> Bike C has an IGH and is used for pavement and grocery runs.  It weighs 28
> pounds unloaded and 73 pounds with groceries
> Bike D is a stripped down fixie for unloaded pavement rides only.  It
> weighs 17 pounds
>
> You mostly ride bikes A, B and C.  Every once in a while you ride bike D
> and every time you do, it feels amazingly fast and easy to pedal.
>
> Question:  Why does Bike D feel fast and easy to pedal?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:12:25 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> All bikes have the same effective sta: the 1999 and the Matthews #2 clone
> both have 73* stas, and the Matthews #1 has the saddle forward on the rails
> to compensate for the 72* sta. I start setup with saddle height and setback
> wrt the bb centerline -- pretty close to identical for all my bikes -- and
> use the saddle to gauge bar and brake lever position.
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 2:49 PM 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW
> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>
> Patrick
>
> Maybe this was asked/answered, but is the STA or saddle setback the same
> on Ford Blue as the others??   Are you in a different position??
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 5:35:08 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is hardly a new question for me or for others, but it is a question
> that strikes me anew when I ride the 1999 Joe Starck and find, once again
> as always in getting on for 25 years of ownership that *it's just easier
> to maintain speed and cadence in given conditions in given gears,* this
> both on the flats and on hills. I remember being struck by this, again at
> the start of each ride on it, in the first years of ownership.
>
> Tires make a difference, 

[RBW] Re: WTB/T Nitto Tallux 5cm Stem

[John Rinker]

Gonna bump this 'cause I'm still hoping someone's holding. Cheers. 

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 10:56:24 AM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> Looking to shorten my reach a bit, and I'm wondering if one of you might 
> be holding a Nitto Tallux 5 or 6cm stem (25.4, 225mm). I'm happy to 
> purchase or I have an 8cm, 26.0 for trade.
>
> Cheers, John
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[jaredwilson]

Wow, Leah.

Absolutely killer job on this collaboration, can't wait to see them 
installed!

And on the topic of a name, I kinda like the sound of "Paul 'The Racing' 
Platypus", as an homage to, well...

Enjoy your new found braking power!

Jared



On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:23:28 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Gosh, a bike name…I have just been calling it The Racing Platypus, which 
> is just funny. But it is my club ride bike, so…
>
> Keith, good points. I know this is going to fade, I’m just hoping not as 
> quickly as the first time around with the previous stuff. It only took 4 
> months to bleach it to silver. If it fades a bit over time, fine. If it’s 
> drastic, I’ll never try for rose ano again. Maybe I’d re-do it in a teal to 
> match the pedals. My teal pedals are as bright as the day I got them in 
> 2021. I will keep it out of the sun mostly. It lives in the garage and not 
> outside, except when I’m riding it.
>
> It’s so good to hear everyone’s positive Paul reviews! Thanks for joining 
> me in the excitement. I do appreciate it. So much.
> Leah
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> What a great story!  
>>
>> In case it didn't come up, you should still try to keep your bike out of 
>> direct sunlight when you're not riding it.  I've have a fair number of Paul 
>> components at this point (first ones were those same moto-lite V brakes 
>> from 1995 or thereabouts), and most of them HAVE faded.  Black is kind of 
>> brown now.  I doubt it will be like your others, but you might as well 
>> preserve them the best you can.  Also, if anodizing is anything like paint, 
>> red tones will naturally oxidize quicker than other colors.
>>
>> If I remember correctly, there are at least two methods of anodizing.  
>> The one Paul uses is much less toxic and more environmentally sound, but 
>> doesn't impart as hard or glossy or deep of a change to the aluminum.  I'm 
>> sure I over-simplified that though.
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> George, never.
>>>
>>> The photo I showed was from Paul. It was just to show me the color 
>>> before they shipped my order to me. Paul  had to break everything into tiny 
>>> pieces for anodizing and then they put it back together in gorgeous 
>>> packaging and shipped it to me.
>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 12:30 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hopefully you took the bike and the brake parts to that good bike shop 
>>> over there this time where they know what they're doing, not the one that 
>>> you tried once and they lost some of your parts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Marc - my thoughts, too! I know if will fade a little bit over time, 
 but should not be so severe.

 Minh, no, these are a new and full set that Paul sent to the anodizer 
 for me! I did pay extra for that, but it was a nominal fee, I thought. 
 They 
 don’t usually do the entire brake, usually levers and barrel adjustors, I 
 think, but we got wild and decided to do the whole kit. We just have to be 
 careful setting them up, but then it should be fine and shouldn’t mark up 
 the posts.

 On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Minh  wrote:

 pretty cool, so they did not have fully made parts but were able to 
 sell you a box of partial parts to mix and match your own?  i"m guessing 
 this is a little too labor intensive to make a regular thing but very nice 
 of them to still be able to do this. 



 On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:

> If Paul did the anodizing, this time it will be right!
>
> Marc
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers 
>> came with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO 
>> brake levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly 
>> fast and everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>
>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any 
>> of 
>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an 
>> employee 
>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>
>> We colored it all. 
>>
>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of 
>> it. 
>>
>

Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Gosh, a bike name…I have just been calling it The Racing Platypus, which is 
just funny. But it is my club ride bike, so…

Keith, good points. I know this is going to fade, I’m just hoping not as 
quickly as the first time around with the previous stuff. It only took 4 
months to bleach it to silver. If it fades a bit over time, fine. If it’s 
drastic, I’ll never try for rose ano again. Maybe I’d re-do it in a teal to 
match the pedals. My teal pedals are as bright as the day I got them in 
2021. I will keep it out of the sun mostly. It lives in the garage and not 
outside, except when I’m riding it.

It’s so good to hear everyone’s positive Paul reviews! Thanks for joining 
me in the excitement. I do appreciate it. So much.
Leah

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

>
> What a great story!  
>
> In case it didn't come up, you should still try to keep your bike out of 
> direct sunlight when you're not riding it.  I've have a fair number of Paul 
> components at this point (first ones were those same moto-lite V brakes 
> from 1995 or thereabouts), and most of them HAVE faded.  Black is kind of 
> brown now.  I doubt it will be like your others, but you might as well 
> preserve them the best you can.  Also, if anodizing is anything like paint, 
> red tones will naturally oxidize quicker than other colors.
>
> If I remember correctly, there are at least two methods of anodizing.  The 
> one Paul uses is much less toxic and more environmentally sound, but 
> doesn't impart as hard or glossy or deep of a change to the aluminum.  I'm 
> sure I over-simplified that though.
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> George, never.
>>
>> The photo I showed was from Paul. It was just to show me the color before 
>> they shipped my order to me. Paul  had to break everything into tiny pieces 
>> for anodizing and then they put it back together in gorgeous packaging and 
>> shipped it to me.
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 12:30 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Hopefully you took the bike and the brake parts to that good bike shop 
>> over there this time where they know what they're doing, not the one that 
>> you tried once and they lost some of your parts.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Marc - my thoughts, too! I know if will fade a little bit over time, but 
>>> should not be so severe.
>>>
>>> Minh, no, these are a new and full set that Paul sent to the anodizer 
>>> for me! I did pay extra for that, but it was a nominal fee, I thought. They 
>>> don’t usually do the entire brake, usually levers and barrel adjustors, I 
>>> think, but we got wild and decided to do the whole kit. We just have to be 
>>> careful setting them up, but then it should be fine and shouldn’t mark up 
>>> the posts.
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Minh  wrote:
>>>
>>> pretty cool, so they did not have fully made parts but were able to 
>>> sell you a box of partial parts to mix and match your own?  i"m guessing 
>>> this is a little too labor intensive to make a regular thing but very nice 
>>> of them to still be able to do this. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>>
 If Paul did the anodizing, this time it will be right!

 Marc

 On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers 
> came with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO 
> brake levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly 
> fast and everything was silver 4 months later. 
>
> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any 
> of 
> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an 
> employee 
> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
> email) and we made a plan. 
>
> We colored it all. 
>
> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>
> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The 
> envelope had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just 
> because, with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever 
> seen. Swoon! I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami 
> inside. 
> I uncovered the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So 
> beautiful. Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I want

Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It is a great story and a great testament to Paul.  If it fades, so what? 
 We all fade.  Ride and enjoy!  It is snowing hard though.  Puts me in a 
mood.  Tim

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 3:10:28 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

>
> What a great story!  
>
> In case it didn't come up, you should still try to keep your bike out of 
> direct sunlight when you're not riding it.  I've have a fair number of Paul 
> components at this point (first ones were those same moto-lite V brakes 
> from 1995 or thereabouts), and most of them HAVE faded.  Black is kind of 
> brown now.  I doubt it will be like your others, but you might as well 
> preserve them the best you can.  Also, if anodizing is anything like paint, 
> red tones will naturally oxidize quicker than other colors.
>
> If I remember correctly, there are at least two methods of anodizing.  The 
> one Paul uses is much less toxic and more environmentally sound, but 
> doesn't impart as hard or glossy or deep of a change to the aluminum.  I'm 
> sure I over-simplified that though.
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> George, never.
>>
>> The photo I showed was from Paul. It was just to show me the color before 
>> they shipped my order to me. Paul  had to break everything into tiny pieces 
>> for anodizing and then they put it back together in gorgeous packaging and 
>> shipped it to me.
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 12:30 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Hopefully you took the bike and the brake parts to that good bike shop 
>> over there this time where they know what they're doing, not the one that 
>> you tried once and they lost some of your parts.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Marc - my thoughts, too! I know if will fade a little bit over time, but 
>>> should not be so severe.
>>>
>>> Minh, no, these are a new and full set that Paul sent to the anodizer 
>>> for me! I did pay extra for that, but it was a nominal fee, I thought. They 
>>> don’t usually do the entire brake, usually levers and barrel adjustors, I 
>>> think, but we got wild and decided to do the whole kit. We just have to be 
>>> careful setting them up, but then it should be fine and shouldn’t mark up 
>>> the posts.
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Minh  wrote:
>>>
>>> pretty cool, so they did not have fully made parts but were able to 
>>> sell you a box of partial parts to mix and match your own?  i"m guessing 
>>> this is a little too labor intensive to make a regular thing but very nice 
>>> of them to still be able to do this. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>>
 If Paul did the anodizing, this time it will be right!

 Marc

 On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers 
> came with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO 
> brake levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly 
> fast and everything was silver 4 months later. 
>
> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any 
> of 
> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an 
> employee 
> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
> email) and we made a plan. 
>
> We colored it all. 
>
> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>
> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The 
> envelope had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just 
> because, with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever 
> seen. Swoon! I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami 
> inside. 
> I uncovered the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So 
> beautiful. Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, 
> rose 
> color. 
>
> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on 
> its 
> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces 
> back 
> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the 
> shop. 
> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, 
> “I 
> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
> to see what is in

Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

My #1 2024 S.M.A.R.T. Goal is to ride 4x per week... more specifically, one 
ride per week on each of my 4 current bikes.  I hadn't ridden since 
Thanksgiving until this week but I just completed my fourth mid-day 30+ 
minute local ride of the week across 3 of my bikes so this week is a yes 
for 4 rides but a no for all 4 bikes.  I kind of started this idea back in 
late summer/early fall 2023 and despite increasing my ride frequency I 
still failed at successfully completing a single 4 ride/4bike week. I think 
I got some weeks with 4 or more rides but without rotating through all four 
bikes.  I didn't really intend to keep record last year so kind of failed 
at the measurement part but thinking I'll try to actually keep track this 
year and see the results.

Brian

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 3:41:55 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:

> Hi Toshi, 
>
> Riding in Utah is indeed a gift. I mostly trade the bike for nordic skiing 
> in the winter, so I haven't ridden outside much of late, but riding up the 
> canyons never gets old. 
>
> Our club is so small as to manage only a handful of rides each year, 
> though in the warmer months I can piece together a nice 300k out my front 
> door (downtown Salt Lake--Emigration Canyon--Big Mountain Pass--Mountain 
> Green--Trapper's Loop Road (past Snowbasin)--North Ogden Divide--Antelope 
> Island out to Fielding Garr Ranch--back to SLC). I've thought about doing 
> that as a 300+200 or whatever if I can't manage the club 600k this year, 
> but I've finally got everything on the calendar in a way that works with 
> the rest of our family obligations, so fingers crossed. 
>
> Happy riding, 
>
> Brady
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 1:31:56 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> Hey Brady,
>>
>> You live in a beautiful area!  I've only been there in the winter to the 
>> ski resorts but imagine that it is amazing cycling there.  
>>
>> I don't know if your local club has 300k + 300k or something like that, 
>> then you could practice the sleep thing.  The way I approached the 600k is 
>> to ride 400k + 200k, so my practice was getting the 400k to a reasonable 
>> time where I could grab a few hours before starting the 200k after rest.  
>> I've done a few 600k events, but never a 1200k.  It won't be this year, but 
>> I'm targeting the next Gold Rush Randonee in a couple of years.
>>
>> Have fun,
>> Toshi in Oakland
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 10:34 AM Brady Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> As an educator, I'm also a fan of S.M.A.R.T goals, probably more so than 
>>> my middle schoolers, though. 
>>>
>>> In 2023 I managed to ride 200k, 300k, and 400k brevets. For 2024, I'm 
>>> planning on adding the 600k, in part because I've always wanted to do the 
>>> whole series, in part because I scored an entry for for LEL 2025, and I 
>>> need some practice riding, sleeping, then riding again. 
>>>
>>> I'd also like to commit to more mountain biking and finally make it up 
>>> Little Cottonwood Canyon on the road bike, a feat I've never attempted due 
>>> to its fearsome reputation and it being just a bit farther away from home 
>>> than it's less fearsome sibling. 
>>>
>>> Brady in SLC
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Responding to Bill L's 2nd thought experiment, here's my quick $0.02 (can't 
find the cent key)
Is Cyclist A's bike fast?  It's as fast they like it to be.  They report 
'happy' not necessarily fast
Is the magical encouragement claimed by Cyclist B all in their head?No, with 
the initial gearing, they felt a higher gear would be ok and it worked out to 
be so.   Good for them
Is "a slightly under geared bike" and "encourages me to ride one cog smaller" 
the exact same thing?
Good point, in this case it seems to be.
Assumptions1  both bikes have same tubing since weight is given as 17# for both 
with no qualifications for other components2  A and B weigh about the same, 
within 20#
ObservationThe gearing change was about 6% higher in both cases or about 4.4gi 
if using 700x32 tires (74.4gi to 78.8gi).  This is pretty much my upper 
cruising range, so we are not talking hills.
John HawrylakWoodstown NJ

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 02:03:29 PM EST, Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:  
 
 I only got one taker on my last thought experiment.  Here's another one:
Cyclist A has a 17-pound fixie.  They take a guess at a gear for the fixie, 
install a 49x18 and ride it around.  They decide "This seems a little under 
geared." and they switch the 18 tooth cog for a 17.  They ride that and decide 
"this is just right" and ride the bike happily
Cyclist B has a 17-pound fixie.  They take a guess at a gear for the fixie, 
install a 49x18 and declare this is "usual". They ride it around and find the 
bicycle encourages them to ride one tooth smaller.  They obey the bicycle's 
encouragement and switch the 18 tooth cog for a 17.  They ride that happily, 
and ask everyone around them "What makes this bike encourage me to ride one 
tooth smaller than usual, consistently?"  
Is Cyclist A's bike fast?  Is the magical encouragement claimed by Cyclist B 
all in their head?  Is "a slightly under geared bike" and "encourages me to 
ride one cog smaller" the exact same thing?
Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:42:00 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

OK, thought experiment time!  
You have to build four bikes. All four bikes must fit you identically.  All the 
contact points of all four bikes will be identical.  All four bikes will have 
geometry/handling that are similar enough to each other that you'll concede 
they ride/handle the same.
Bike A is for sand and has 3.0" wide tires and weighs 30 poundsBike B is for 
grocery runs, pavement and firm dirt.  It's got front and rear derailleurs and 
weighs 30 pounds unloaded and 75 pounds with groceriesBike C has an IGH and is 
used for pavement and grocery runs.  It weighs 28 pounds unloaded and 73 pounds 
with groceriesBike D is a stripped down fixie for unloaded pavement rides only. 
 It weighs 17 pounds
You mostly ride bikes A, B and C.  Every once in a while you ride bike D and 
every time you do, it feels amazingly fast and easy to pedal.  
Question:  Why does Bike D feel fast and easy to pedal?  
Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:12:25 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

All bikes have the same effective sta: the 1999 and the Matthews #2 clone both 
have 73* stas, and the Matthews #1 has the saddle forward on the rails to 
compensate for the 72* sta. I start setup with saddle height and setback wrt 
the bb centerline -- pretty close to identical for all my bikes -- and use the 
saddle to gauge bar and brake lever position.
On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 2:49 PM 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
Bunch  wrote:

Patrick
Maybe this was asked/answered, but is the STA or saddle setback the same on 
Ford Blue as the others??   Are you in a different position??
John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 5:35:08 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

This is hardly a new question for me or for others, but it is a question that 
strikes me anew when I ride the 1999 Joe Starck and find, once again as always 
in getting on for 25 years of ownership that it's just easier to maintain speed 
and cadence in given conditions in given gears, this both on the flats and on 
hills. I remember being struck by this, again at the start of each ride on it, 
in the first years of ownership.
Tires make a difference, tho' it felt this way with 571 X 23 mm Conti Grands 
Prix and Michelin Pro Races and with 559 X 23 mm Specialized Turbos; with the 
slightly wider (27.19 mm rear at 60 psi and 27.49 mm front at 55 psi on my 19 
mm OW rims) and even lighter and more supple Elk Passes it feels even faster 
and smoother. 
BTW, I wholly discountenance the opinion that harshness or vibration makes 
riders think they're going fast. At least, perhaps some people do that, but 
I've always associated harshness with slowness and smoothness with speed. But 
again, the '99 has always felt smooth and fast.
What provoked this perennial question was my very pleasant mid-afternoon ride 
today. My route included about 1 mile of steep hill starting at Broadway and, 
feeling tir

Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B72 Reissued!

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

After a month long cycling hiatus I finally came around to revisit this 
topic now that I've received my own Brooks adapter kit (from Brooks 
directly) and decided to experiment with it on my Clem this week.  It's a 
costly adapter kit at $50 and unless ordering with other items to qualify 
for free shipping it was an extra $9 in shipping.  I forget the actual 
turnaround time but ultimately wasn't very long considering it arrived from 
Italy and during the holidays.

On the plus side, the two piece shims and multiple bolts/spacers should 
allow functionality with a variety of posts as it completely eliminates 
interference with the bolts.
On the downside, the separate shims make installation a little more 
finnicky and in my limited usage I found with my initial installation the 
two separate shims allowed some lateral movement and slippage.  I'm using 
an old chromed rail B72 with some pre-existing warping of the rails/frame 
from prior usage and it's entirely possible I just didn't tighten as much 
as I could have but just one short ride and the saddle slipped an went off 
center.

Upon further inspection and comparison of a couple of my available 
seatposts, I found that I could fortunately use the other Breezer single 
piece shim with one of the posts that has more widely spaced front to back 
saddle clamp bolts.  I'll be making another attempt with this configuration 
combining the Breezer shim with the longer bolts from the new Brooks kit 
and think that will work a little better in keeping everything in alignment 
but I also suspect if pairing the new adapter plates with a newer B72 
saddle with the black coated rails it could simply be a better fit with 
less slippage?  I think between my current post with possible oversized 
cradle combined with the old chromed and slippery narrow rails and my own 
avoidance of hamfisting the bolts it may have just been a lackluster fit 
and adjustment so will report back on whether the reconfigured hardware 
combo is successful or not with pics, hopefully.

Brian
Lawrence NJ 

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:02:27 AM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I use SnoSeal myself, hard to imagine having a Brooks warrantee issue as 
> all the ones I own are at least 25 years old!
>
> Will
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 12:57 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> @Roberta -
>>
>> "Obenauf's has been my go-to in the past"
>>
>> I have been using Obenauf's Heavy Duty LP for a very long time, years in 
>> fact for my leather shoes and my Brooks saddles that I did own.  I recently 
>> received in the mail a Brooks B-66 saddle from purchasing it on eBay. It is 
>> very dried out to say none the least. Have you every used Obenauf's Leather 
>> Oil to restore a leather saddle or other leather goods that you might own 
>> ?  I am considering buying some and trying it out to moisturize the leather 
>> and bring it back to life. 
>>
>> Thank-you,
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:15:26 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>> I ordered the B72 in brown with the saddle sandwich directly from Brooks 
>> England.  I signed up for their newsletter and since this was my first 
>> direct purchase from them, received a 15% discount.  Shipping  is free at 
>> this purchase point.  Also, if you register your saddle with them within 
>> three months of  purchase, the two year warranty becomes a 10 year 
>> warranty. Because of Mark's nose comment and other rail breaking comments I 
>> read on the web, I definitely will be registering the B72.  I have an A 
>> Homer Hilsen and a Betty Foy, both with B68 saddles, and I'm planning this 
>> saddle mainly for my Betty. 
>>
>> I also ordered a tin of Proofide, not to help with the break in (I just 
>> ride saddles to break them in), but possibly later on for water 
>> resistance.  Obenauf's has been my go-to in the past but not for this 
>> saddle;  if I need to file a warranty claim I wouldn't want it dismissed 
>> because of the "wrong" saddle treatment.  
>>
>> When I get the saddle, I'll post some pictures of it next to B68 and B67 
>> saddles I have.
>>
>> There is also a thread on the iBob board with some additional 
>> information:
>> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/syTF_Oq3Kr0/m/ruwkM3UwAQAJ
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 2:06:07 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have a B72 on my Hunq - I 3D printed (well, had an online service do 
>> it) a 2-rail saddle adapter in glass-filled nylon, using this pattern - 
>> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3143229.  It's going on 2 years and 
>> has worked great.  Awesome that Brooks is reissuing this though and making 
>> an adapter!
>>
>> James in North Jersey
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
>> wrote:
>>
>> FYI for anyone that hasn't already noticed the resurrection of the B72 
>> model.
>> https://theradavist.com/brooks-b72-review/
>>
>> I know the B68 gets a bit more attention as the wide, unsprung, single 
>> rail 

[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Dyno lights sold, patch gone. 
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Update
> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, 
> post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
> Thanks
> Joe
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[iamkeith]

What a great story!  

In case it didn't come up, you should still try to keep your bike out of 
direct sunlight when you're not riding it.  I've have a fair number of Paul 
components at this point (first ones were those same moto-lite V brakes 
from 1995 or thereabouts), and most of them HAVE faded.  Black is kind of 
brown now.  I doubt it will be like your others, but you might as well 
preserve them the best you can.  Also, if anodizing is anything like paint, 
red tones will naturally oxidize quicker than other colors.

If I remember correctly, there are at least two methods of anodizing.  The 
one Paul uses is much less toxic and more environmentally sound, but 
doesn't impart as hard or glossy or deep of a change to the aluminum.  I'm 
sure I over-simplified that though.
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> George, never.
>
> The photo I showed was from Paul. It was just to show me the color before 
> they shipped my order to me. Paul  had to break everything into tiny pieces 
> for anodizing and then they put it back together in gorgeous packaging and 
> shipped it to me.
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>
> On Jan 12, 2024, at 12:30 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Hopefully you took the bike and the brake parts to that good bike shop 
> over there this time where they know what they're doing, not the one that 
> you tried once and they lost some of your parts.
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Marc - my thoughts, too! I know if will fade a little bit over time, but 
>> should not be so severe.
>>
>> Minh, no, these are a new and full set that Paul sent to the anodizer for 
>> me! I did pay extra for that, but it was a nominal fee, I thought. They 
>> don’t usually do the entire brake, usually levers and barrel adjustors, I 
>> think, but we got wild and decided to do the whole kit. We just have to be 
>> careful setting them up, but then it should be fine and shouldn’t mark up 
>> the posts.
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Minh  wrote:
>>
>> pretty cool, so they did not have fully made parts but were able to sell 
>> you a box of partial parts to mix and match your own?  i"m guessing this is 
>> a little too labor intensive to make a regular thing but very nice of them 
>> to still be able to do this. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>>> If Paul did the anodizing, this time it will be right!
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers 
 came with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO 
 brake levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly 
 fast and everything was silver 4 months later. 

 But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
 sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
 they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
 their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
 got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
 I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
 the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
 email) and we made a plan. 

 We colored it all. 

 The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 

 The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
 had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
 with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. 
 Swoon! 
 I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
 the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
 Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 

 I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
 experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
 way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces 
 back 
 in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
 I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, 
 “I 
 have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
 to see what is in these boxes?” 

 So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
 parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
 never seen. 

 “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul 
 emblems. 

 “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.

 I left th

[RBW] Re: First turns of the pedals on my new Platypus

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Another happy Platypus owner. I’m so happy you’re enjoying it; it will be 
fun to see what customizations you arrive at as you discover how you’d like 
the setup to be. Starting with new Paul brakes, so I hear!

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:28:40 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> We had a rare 41 and sunny day here in upstate NY so I decided to take my 
> new Platypus for a quick spin. Here are my observations on the complete in 
> Sergio Green.
>
> *Color *- The color looks amazing in the sunlight. Nice little gold hue 
> to the green. 
> *Shifters* - I thought I would want to swap the trigger shifter out right 
> away. On the contrary. The shifting is nice and crisp on the rear SunRace 
> derailleur. Aesthetically I don't love the way the derailleurs look 
> (especially the front) but it just shifts so well! I might just leave it 
> alone. 
> *Drive train* - The 42/30 Silver crankset is perfect. I usually ride a 
> 175 crankarms on all my bikes. I don't even notice that this one is a 173. 
> *Geometry *- My first experience riding a mixte. I got to say my initial 
> impression is two thumbs up. Rides great and feels surprisingly zippy. The 
> slack head tube make for a great handling mellow ride. 
> *Wheels* - The stock wheelset is pretty darn nice! Alex 21's laced to 
> Novatec hubs. The rear Novetec is dead silent. Folks pay $450 for a Onyx to 
> get that silent drive. These are pretty nice wheels although I'll probably 
> build up some Velocity Quills so I can have a dyno hub. 
> *Bars *- Swapping out the Tosco bars for the Billies was the right choice 
> for me. I've had good experience with these bars and they will be great! 
> *Stem* - I thought I wanted a 13cm stem to accommodate my long arms. 
> Honestly I don't think I would notice much of a difference going from the 
> 11cm stem that came with it. 
>
> I still need to add grips and install my front rack. This bike is pure joy 
> so far! 
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTB 53 or 55 roadeo

[J L]

Hello all,

Anyone wanting to send their roadeo (size 53 or 55cm) back into the wild? I’m 
looking for a straight forward road bike and that could fit just perfectly. 

I have an orange 54cm QB that I might be convinced to trade.

Please send offers or questions offlist to minimize the message clutter.

Thanks!
JL in SF

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[RBW] Orange Blossom Special in FL tomorrow?

[Brian Turner]

I realize this may be a long shot, but is anyone here planning to ride the 
"Orange Blossom Special" event in Avon Park, FL tomorrow (Sat. Jan 13th)? 
I'll be there with my Atlantis; looking forward to checking out the variety 
of surfaces this ride has promised. It would be cool to meet up with any 
other folks from this community while I'm there!

Brian
Lex KY

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[RBW] Re: First turns of the pedals on my new Platypus

[Roberta]

Looks nice.  I also thought the Billies were a perfect bar for the Platy.  
I have it on a tall 10cm stem (it doesn't come longer than 10 cm) and found 
I needed to remove 1cm from the bars to make it perfect.

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:57:45 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:

> Looking good! I too was pleasantly surprised how silent the rear hub is. 
> You're making me want a frame pump :) 
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:42:45 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_4837.jpeg]
>>
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:28:40 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> We had a rare 41 and sunny day here in upstate NY so I decided to take 
>>> my new Platypus for a quick spin. Here are my observations on the complete 
>>> in Sergio Green.
>>>
>>> *Color *- The color looks amazing in the sunlight. Nice little gold hue 
>>> to the green. 
>>> *Shifters* - I thought I would want to swap the trigger shifter out 
>>> right away. On the contrary. The shifting is nice and crisp on the rear 
>>> SunRace derailleur. Aesthetically I don't love the way the derailleurs look 
>>> (especially the front) but it just shifts so well! I might just leave it 
>>> alone. 
>>> *Drive train* - The 42/30 Silver crankset is perfect. I usually ride a 
>>> 175 crankarms on all my bikes. I don't even notice that this one is a 173. 
>>> *Geometry *- My first experience riding a mixte. I got to say my 
>>> initial impression is two thumbs up. Rides great and feels surprisingly 
>>> zippy. The slack head tube make for a great handling mellow ride. 
>>> *Wheels* - The stock wheelset is pretty darn nice! Alex 21's laced to 
>>> Novatec hubs. The rear Novetec is dead silent. Folks pay $450 for a Onyx to 
>>> get that silent drive. These are pretty nice wheels although I'll probably 
>>> build up some Velocity Quills so I can have a dyno hub. 
>>> *Bars *- Swapping out the Tosco bars for the Billies was the right 
>>> choice for me. I've had good experience with these bars and they will be 
>>> great! 
>>> *Stem* - I thought I wanted a 13cm stem to accommodate my long arms. 
>>> Honestly I don't think I would notice much of a difference going from the 
>>> 11cm stem that came with it. 
>>>
>>> I still need to add grips and install my front rack. This bike is pure 
>>> joy so far! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: First turns of the pedals on my new Platypus

[tio ryan]

Looking good! I too was pleasantly surprised how silent the rear hub is. 
You're making me want a frame pump :) 

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:42:45 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> [image: IMG_4837.jpeg]
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:28:40 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> We had a rare 41 and sunny day here in upstate NY so I decided to take my 
>> new Platypus for a quick spin. Here are my observations on the complete in 
>> Sergio Green.
>>
>> *Color *- The color looks amazing in the sunlight. Nice little gold hue 
>> to the green. 
>> *Shifters* - I thought I would want to swap the trigger shifter out 
>> right away. On the contrary. The shifting is nice and crisp on the rear 
>> SunRace derailleur. Aesthetically I don't love the way the derailleurs look 
>> (especially the front) but it just shifts so well! I might just leave it 
>> alone. 
>> *Drive train* - The 42/30 Silver crankset is perfect. I usually ride a 
>> 175 crankarms on all my bikes. I don't even notice that this one is a 173. 
>> *Geometry *- My first experience riding a mixte. I got to say my initial 
>> impression is two thumbs up. Rides great and feels surprisingly zippy. The 
>> slack head tube make for a great handling mellow ride. 
>> *Wheels* - The stock wheelset is pretty darn nice! Alex 21's laced to 
>> Novatec hubs. The rear Novetec is dead silent. Folks pay $450 for a Onyx to 
>> get that silent drive. These are pretty nice wheels although I'll probably 
>> build up some Velocity Quills so I can have a dyno hub. 
>> *Bars *- Swapping out the Tosco bars for the Billies was the right 
>> choice for me. I've had good experience with these bars and they will be 
>> great! 
>> *Stem* - I thought I wanted a 13cm stem to accommodate my long arms. 
>> Honestly I don't think I would notice much of a difference going from the 
>> 11cm stem that came with it. 
>>
>> I still need to add grips and install my front rack. This bike is pure 
>> joy so far! 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] First turns of the pedals on my new Platypus

[Tim Bantham]

We had a rare 41 and sunny day here in upstate NY so I decided to take my 
new Platypus for a quick spin. Here are my observations on the complete in 
Sergio Green.

*Color *- The color looks amazing in the sunlight. Nice little gold hue to 
the green. 
*Shifters* - I thought I would want to swap the trigger shifter out right 
away. On the contrary. The shifting is nice and crisp on the rear SunRace 
derailleur. Aesthetically I don't love the way the derailleurs look 
(especially the front) but it just shifts so well! I might just leave it 
alone. 
*Drive train* - The 42/30 Silver crankset is perfect. I usually ride a 175 
crankarms on all my bikes. I don't even notice that this one is a 173. 
*Geometry *- My first experience riding a mixte. I got to say my initial 
impression is two thumbs up. Rides great and feels surprisingly zippy. The 
slack head tube make for a great handling mellow ride. 
*Wheels* - The stock wheelset is pretty darn nice! Alex 21's laced to 
Novatec hubs. The rear Novetec is dead silent. Folks pay $450 for a Onyx to 
get that silent drive. These are pretty nice wheels although I'll probably 
build up some Velocity Quills so I can have a dyno hub. 
*Bars *- Swapping out the Tosco bars for the Billies was the right choice 
for me. I've had good experience with these bars and they will be great! 
*Stem* - I thought I wanted a 13cm stem to accommodate my long arms. 
Honestly I don't think I would notice much of a difference going from the 
11cm stem that came with it. 

I still need to add grips and install my front rack. This bike is pure joy 
so far! 





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[RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

[Jason Fuller]

Drew - indeed, quite a departure from the earier protos, and neat as well - 
but now that it's lugged it seems to overlap existing models a bit more 
other than the novel drop tube.  I wonder if it shares the upper HT lug as 
the new Susie (TT angle more flat due to HTA)

John - Yeah I agree, the Sam is stout enough for basically any touring 
maybe short of a dedicated world-tourer. I've never found the limit of mine 
either in terms of capacity, just tire clearance as you mention. 

On Friday 12 January 2024 at 10:19:37 UTC-8 John Bokman wrote:

> Jason, I concur with your assessment of the new Atlantis. I had always 
> pined for one, ever since the inception of the model. In fact, other than 
> the "LongLow", it was the first Riv I coveted. But, alas, things have 
> changed (Grant would say for the better).
>
> I finally purchased a Riv, the original 60cm model Sam, in 2009. I now 
> ride a size smaller Sam (the 58cm). I think it is from the 2017 era? At any 
> rate, I had a local builder install canti-bosses, like the original had. I 
> find it to be surprisingly stout. In fact, I regularly load it for bear, 
> and find it to be more bike than I want in some instances (uphill, without 
> a load, for example). I believe that the "new" Sam is more stout than the 
> original. In fact, it felt lighter in the hand to both myself and my 
> mechanic who had history with both of these bikes. Turns out the seat tube 
> had changed from 27.2 to 26.8. My mechanic thinks the thicker steat tube is 
> the answer to the increased heft. That, and the longer chainstays.
>
> All to say, I understand your want for an old school Atlantis in the 
> lineup. But, as someone who rides a larger framed 700c Sam (can't speak to 
> the 650B Sam), it's pretty right on for this purpose. The thing I think 
> that could be improved as a loaded tourer is the tire clearance. Being able 
> to fit a 2" tire under a fender would make it outstanding. I suppose this 
> would make it the de-facto "new Atlantis"? Just musing...
>
> John
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:42:26 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Word is the Sam is unchanged from previous batches, geometry-wise, which 
>> is wonderful news as Sam is perfect.  No plans to pick up anything this 
>> year, in fact it's my fourth annual "no new bikes" resolution which has 
>> failed three times thus far. 
>>
>> I am a big fan of the new Susie's combination of specs, more stout than 
>> the old one (which was flexy to the extent it didn't make a good off-road 
>> tourer for most people) but quill stem. Dig that.
>>
>> I find the Appaloosa to be a lot better on the eyes than the modern 
>> Atlantis and I struggle to understand why since they're nearly the same. In 
>> my dream scenario, the Atlantis would go backwards slightly to bit a little 
>> more roadish in geometry, something similar to the Sam, but with the 
>> additional stoutness and tire clearance. I feel like this more road-focused 
>> true touring bike is currently missing in the lineup, and still falls 
>> within modern Riv sensibilities. Of course, I have no say in this, but a 
>> guy can dream. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 13:03:05 UTC-8 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Saw this in the last email:
>>>
>>>
>>>- February - Clems
>>>- March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
>>>- April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
>>>- May - Sam Hillbornes
>>>- June - Appaloosas
>>>- July - Platypus bikes and frames
>>>- August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info 
>>>later
>>>- September - Roadini
>>>
>>> Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans 
>>> to pick up a new frame in 2024? 
>>>
>>> Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement 
>>> is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there 
>>> still pining for that turquoise dream? 
>>>
>>> - Drew  
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Bill Lindsay]

I only got one taker on my last thought experiment.  Here's another one:

Cyclist A has a 17-pound fixie.  They take a guess at a gear for the fixie, 
install a 49x18 and ride it around.  They decide "This seems a little under 
geared." and they switch the 18 tooth cog for a 17.  They ride that and 
decide "this is just right" and ride the bike happily

Cyclist B has a 17-pound fixie.  They take a guess at a gear for the fixie, 
install a 49x18 and declare this is "usual". They ride it around and find 
the bicycle encourages them to ride one tooth smaller.  They obey the 
bicycle's encouragement and switch the 18 tooth cog for a 17.  They ride 
that happily, and ask everyone around them "What makes this bike encourage 
me to ride one tooth smaller than usual, consistently?"  

Is Cyclist A's bike fast?  Is the magical encouragement claimed by Cyclist 
B all in their head?  Is "a slightly under geared bike" and "encourages me 
to ride one cog smaller" the exact same thing?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:42:00 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> OK, thought experiment time!  
>
> You have to build four bikes. All four bikes must fit you identically. 
>  All the contact points of all four bikes will be identical.  All four 
> bikes will have geometry/handling that are similar enough to each other 
> that you'll concede they ride/handle the same.
>
> Bike A is for sand and has 3.0" wide tires and weighs 30 pounds
> Bike B is for grocery runs, pavement and firm dirt.  It's got front and 
> rear derailleurs and weighs 30 pounds unloaded and 75 pounds with groceries
> Bike C has an IGH and is used for pavement and grocery runs.  It weighs 28 
> pounds unloaded and 73 pounds with groceries
> Bike D is a stripped down fixie for unloaded pavement rides only.  It 
> weighs 17 pounds
>
> You mostly ride bikes A, B and C.  Every once in a while you ride bike D 
> and every time you do, it feels amazingly fast and easy to pedal.  
>
> Question:  Why does Bike D feel fast and easy to pedal?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:12:25 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> All bikes have the same effective sta: the 1999 and the Matthews #2 clone 
>> both have 73* stas, and the Matthews #1 has the saddle forward on the rails 
>> to compensate for the 72* sta. I start setup with saddle height and setback 
>> wrt the bb centerline -- pretty close to identical for all my bikes -- and 
>> use the saddle to gauge bar and brake lever position.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 2:49 PM 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
>> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> Maybe this was asked/answered, but is the STA or saddle setback the same 
>>> on Ford Blue as the others??   Are you in a different position??
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 5:35:08 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 This is hardly a new question for me or for others, but it is a 
 question that strikes me anew when I ride the 1999 Joe Starck and find, 
 once again as always in getting on for 25 years of ownership that *it's 
 just easier to maintain speed and cadence in given conditions in given 
 gears,* this both on the flats and on hills. I remember being struck 
 by this, again at the start of each ride on it, in the first years of 
 ownership.

 Tires make a difference, tho' it felt this way with 571 X 23 mm Conti 
 Grands Prix and Michelin Pro Races and with 559 X 23 mm Specialized 
 Turbos; 
 with the slightly wider (27.19 mm rear at 60 psi and 27.49 mm front at 55 
 psi on my 19 mm OW rims) and even lighter and more supple Elk Passes it 
 feels even faster and *smoother.* 

 BTW, I wholly discountenance the opinion that harshness or vibration 
 makes riders think they're going fast. At least, perhaps some people do 
 that, but I've always associated harshness with slowness and smoothness 
 with speed. But again, the '99 has always felt *smooth* and *fast.*

 What provoked this perennial question was my very pleasant 
 mid-afternoon ride today. My route included about 1 mile of steep hill 
 starting at Broadway and, feeling tired and sluggish and being old I 
 considered swapping the Phil 17/19Dingle wheel (76" and 68") with the SA 
 TF 
 wheel (76" and 57" underdrive), but didn't want the bother and decided I'd 
 just walk if necessary.

 I did plan to move the chain to the 19 t/68" gear once I got downtown, 
 but didn't do this, either. Winds variable up to about 7-8 mph.

 I took it easy but found myself following some youngster on a thin-tire 
 700C derailleur hybrid for about 8 miles; I finally caught up to him at 
 the 
 first light on Coal and followed him up the climb. I think he was a UNM 
 student and at least 45 years younger than I, and he put a few yards on me 
 up the hill spinning in a low gear

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Dorothy C]

My son is planning to come too, he has a 55cm lime Platy from the first run

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:11:50 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I would recommend minimal singletrack to keep this ride as inclusive as 
> possible. Not all Riv riders have extra wide tires / experience on dirt. 
> (Not speaking for myself, I prefer dirt) Don't wanna scare anyone off! The 
> more the merrier. 
>
> Wasn't able to visit AllezLA as they were closed on Tuesday. Will post 
> ride beta here as I gather it from friends / perhaps a future visit. 
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a fun ride. Wish I was still local!
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any kind of 
>>> steep or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by flowy, 
>>> Riv-friendly single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of single-track 
>>> with my mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, rocky 
>>> parts, and I haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. I 
>>> know the bike can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, the 
>>> path and plan you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  
>>>
>>> How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from 
>>> South Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to 
>>> Allez. 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level 
 of people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to 
 try out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ 
 miles on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super 
 flexible.

 How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of 
 getting more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.


 @Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can 
 let us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. I 
 think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't 
 speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.

 @Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had 
 mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer 
 anyday! 




 On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.
>
> Riv dealers and great people, after all!
>
> I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the 
> block.
>
> Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down 
> through the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog at 
> Walt’s is never a bad time.
>
> 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single 
> track and fire roads.
>
> Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely 
> be inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being surrounded 
> by Rivendells, despite not owning one. 
>
> Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large 
> groups. I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to 
> ride on the east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la river/griffith 
> park could be great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by 
> Allez LA and pick their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. 
>
> What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride? 
>
> Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by 
> then too :). 
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; got 
>> my Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love to 
>> join a 
>> ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans permitting). 
>> Question: How long/demanding will the ride be? I’m usually a solo rider 
>> and 
>> with my Appaloosa I’m more of a joy rider than a racer.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>> Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is in 
>>> town during the week of the 12th, so this seems like a great 
>>> opportunity 
>>> for a fun, super causal ride.
>>>
>>> Sunday the 11th 
>>> Monday the 12th (state holiday)
>>> Saturday the 17th
>>

Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[John Bokman]

Agreed. Speaking only for myself, the reason for using a triple,  is for 
loaded hauling. I have plenty low enough low on my compact double for other 
riding (44/30 with a 12-36 9-speed cassette). Obviously, this depends on 
terrain, one's riding habits, and vigor. However, what I fail to understand 
is, as nice as the new VO crank looks to be, the ratio has a big ring of 48 
teeth. Why? I can't imagine needing larger than a 44 tooth big ring for 
such a setup. If they offered a 44-34-24, I'd be very interested. 
Otherwise, I'd buy the crank and immediately swap out the big ring. I 
guess, to answer my own question, they are trying to please all of the 
people all of the time.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 1:14:25 PM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring bikes 
> triples make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am carrying around 
> 40 lbs on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on long and/or 
> steep hills. When home in central  New Hampshire many of my favorite roads 
> are diificult if not impossible for me to ride without a 15-18” gear.
>
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:43 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
>> I'm planning on going from 3x to 1x on my all-around Tosco'd LHT. Maybe 
>> even do that today, and replace the big ring with the Rivendell chainring 
>> guard. 
>>
>> I haven't used the 48 in a long, long time. As for the 26 inner: there 
>> was a t-shirt from the 80s from a bike shop in Ketchum that read, "if you 
>> ain't hikin', you ain't mountain bikin'". If it gets that low, I appreciate 
>> the change in blood circulation by just walking those few minutes. 
>>
>> - Chris
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
>> NJ wrote:
>>
>>> Bill L stated:   " If it were me, I'd experiment with a 42-tooth big 
>>> ring before going to a triple"
>>>
>>> Question to Bill:   Will a 42T large ring result in the FD hitting the 
>>> chain stay in the inner ring of a triple (say 24T or 26T) ???
>>>
>>> PS  I agree with your comment on the 46-11 being a very high gear.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Ben

 You run a 46/30 with an 11-34 11sp cassette.  If it were me, I'd 
 experiment with a 42-tooth big ring before going to a triple.  46x11 is 
 pretty darn high for a commuter/city bike.  Anything higher than a 4:1 in 
 my book is for the sole purpose of pedaling at >>40mph.  That is a real 
 use-case in hilly areas, but not for me, and especially not for a 
 commuter/city bike.  That's just a suggestion.  The jump from 42 to 30 is 
 much less dramatic.  

 BL in EC

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:25:39 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly part of L.A. 
> My commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a 46/30 front. I've been 
> finding the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It feels much more 
> dramatic 
> than 50-34. For instance, if I switch big to small in the from, I'll sift 
> down at least 3 cogs on the back to totally avoid spinning out 
> immediately. 
> I sometimes find myself mildly cross chaining in either direction to find 
> the right gear.
>
> So I've been thinking of either going 1x, or 3x. My other bike is 1x, 
> and it's a carbon all-road/gravel thing. I like the setup for rougher 
> terrain. Also, I just don't like the idea of having duplicate bikes. I 
> also 
> romanticize the bike I had about 20 years go, which had an 11-27 9 speed 
> with 24/36/46. At the time, it felt luxurious, natural, and easy. But I 
> didn't know then what I know now, and many times when I've set up a 
> modern 
> bike like this one from my past, I get quickly disillusioned and undo 
> that 
> change.
>
> I kinda feel like the headline should be "triples: still fun and 
> useful for hands on bike nerds who like to tinker."
>
> Ben
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:44:06 AM UTC-8 
> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I dissent.  Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated to setup, 
>> and so are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s.  I have 1X 10 one two 
>> bikes, and love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a Deore 5100 
>> derailer 
>> and 11-51 cassette for my BMC Monstercross.  The whole drivetrain cost 
>> less 
>> than a nice triple crankset, it's all lighter too.  Check out Analog 
>> Cycles 
>> for inspiration.
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the rear 
>>> because people didn't need to shift that much. The message was to push 
>>> through if its too hard or even ge

[RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

[John Bokman]

Jason, I concur with your assessment of the new Atlantis. I had always 
pined for one, ever since the inception of the model. In fact, other than 
the "LongLow", it was the first Riv I coveted. But, alas, things have 
changed (Grant would say for the better).

I finally purchased a Riv, the original 60cm model Sam, in 2009. I now ride 
a size smaller Sam (the 58cm). I think it is from the 2017 era? At any 
rate, I had a local builder install canti-bosses, like the original had. I 
find it to be surprisingly stout. In fact, I regularly load it for bear, 
and find it to be more bike than I want in some instances (uphill, without 
a load, for example). I believe that the "new" Sam is more stout than the 
original. In fact, it felt lighter in the hand to both myself and my 
mechanic who had history with both of these bikes. Turns out the seat tube 
had changed from 27.2 to 26.8. My mechanic thinks the thicker steat tube is 
the answer to the increased heft. That, and the longer chainstays.

All to say, I understand your want for an old school Atlantis in the 
lineup. But, as someone who rides a larger framed 700c Sam (can't speak to 
the 650B Sam), it's pretty right on for this purpose. The thing I think 
that could be improved as a loaded tourer is the tire clearance. Being able 
to fit a 2" tire under a fender would make it outstanding. I suppose this 
would make it the de-facto "new Atlantis"? Just musing...

John

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:42:26 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Word is the Sam is unchanged from previous batches, geometry-wise, which 
> is wonderful news as Sam is perfect.  No plans to pick up anything this 
> year, in fact it's my fourth annual "no new bikes" resolution which has 
> failed three times thus far. 
>
> I am a big fan of the new Susie's combination of specs, more stout than 
> the old one (which was flexy to the extent it didn't make a good off-road 
> tourer for most people) but quill stem. Dig that.
>
> I find the Appaloosa to be a lot better on the eyes than the modern 
> Atlantis and I struggle to understand why since they're nearly the same. In 
> my dream scenario, the Atlantis would go backwards slightly to bit a little 
> more roadish in geometry, something similar to the Sam, but with the 
> additional stoutness and tire clearance. I feel like this more road-focused 
> true touring bike is currently missing in the lineup, and still falls 
> within modern Riv sensibilities. Of course, I have no say in this, but a 
> guy can dream. 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 13:03:05 UTC-8 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Saw this in the last email:
>>
>>
>>- February - Clems
>>- March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
>>- April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
>>- May - Sam Hillbornes
>>- June - Appaloosas
>>- July - Platypus bikes and frames
>>- August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info later
>>- September - Roadini
>>
>> Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans 
>> to pick up a new frame in 2024? 
>>
>> Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement 
>> is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there 
>> still pining for that turquoise dream? 
>>
>> - Drew  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 A 1010 steel frame would typically be a thicker tube gauge than a 531 frame, 
since it has a lower tensile strength.   Since the majority of frames of this 
period used 1" diameter TT and 1-1/8" diameter DT, the thicker tube gauge 
results in a stiffer frame of the same frame size.   It would be interesting to 
see the 73 Moto frame weights.
John Hawrylak  Woodstown NJ
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 12:30:31 PM EST, Ron Mc 
 wrote:  
 
 '73 catalog, Grand Touring was straight-gauge 1020

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

 P Moore asked:   "what besides tubing stiffness might make a main triangle 
stiff or stable?"
Frame size:  small frames are stiffer than large frames.
John HawrylakWoodstown NJ
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:48:14 AM EST, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:  
 
 And yet that very light 531 normal gauge 1973 Motobecane frame handled heavy 
rear loads (all comparisons on Tubus Fly racks) better than much stouter 
frames. Why should that have been?
To turn that into another question: what besides tubing stiffness might make a 
main triangle stiff or stable?
It was rather remarkable: That presumably thinnish-wall, and certainly lighter, 
normal gauge 531 Motobecane handled rear loads better (for me -- this is all 
judged by seat-of-pants feel -- than that (for me) overbuilt 2003 Curt 
frameset, and better than with the Ram.
Fond memory: grunting 45 lb on the rear Fly in a 67" fixed gear on that 
Motobecane up an uber-steep 4/10 mile hill at 4 mph by the bike computer -- 
yep, 20 rpm. 
On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 6:13 AM Ron Mc  wrote:

Hi Patrick, on the rear load thing - that stability is in the main triangle. 


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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Update: saddle and pedals sold, sticker is gone, shifters still pending.

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Update
> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, 
> post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
> Thanks
> Joe
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Ron Mc]

'73 catalog, Grand Touring was straight-gauge 1020
[image: Capture.JPG]

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
NJ wrote:

> P Moore asked:   "what besides tubing stiffness might make a main triangle 
> stiff or stable?"
>
> Frame size:  small frames are stiffer than large frames.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:48:14 AM EST, Patrick Moore <
> bert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> And yet that very light 531 normal gauge 1973 Motobecane frame handled 
> heavy rear loads (all comparisons on Tubus Fly racks) better than much 
> stouter frames. Why should that have been?
>
> To turn that into another question: what besides tubing stiffness might 
> make a main triangle stiff or stable?
>
> It was rather remarkable: That presumably thinnish-wall, and certainly 
> lighter, normal gauge 531 Motobecane handled rear loads better (for *me* -- 
> this is all judged by seat-of-pants feel -- than that (for me) overbuilt 
> 2003 Curt frameset, and better than with the Ram.
>
> Fond memory: grunting 45 lb on the rear Fly in a 67" fixed gear on that 
> Motobecane up an *uber-*steep 4/10 mile hill at 4 mph by the bike 
> computer -- yep, 20 rpm. 
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 6:13 AM Ron Mc  wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick, on the rear load thing - that stability is in the main 
> triangle. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[George Schick]

Hopefully you took the bike and the brake parts to that good bike shop over 
there this time where they know what they're doing, not the one that you 
tried once and they lost some of your parts.

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Marc - my thoughts, too! I know if will fade a little bit over time, but 
> should not be so severe.
>
> Minh, no, these are a new and full set that Paul sent to the anodizer for 
> me! I did pay extra for that, but it was a nominal fee, I thought. They 
> don’t usually do the entire brake, usually levers and barrel adjustors, I 
> think, but we got wild and decided to do the whole kit. We just have to be 
> careful setting them up, but then it should be fine and shouldn’t mark up 
> the posts.
>
> On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Minh  wrote:
>
> pretty cool, so they did not have fully made parts but were able to sell 
> you a box of partial parts to mix and match your own?  i"m guessing this is 
> a little too labor intensive to make a regular thing but very nice of them 
> to still be able to do this. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> If Paul did the anodizing, this time it will be right!
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
>>> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
>>> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
>>> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>>
>>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
>>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
>>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>>
>>> We colored it all. 
>>>
>>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>>>
>>> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
>>> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
>>> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
>>> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
>>> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
>>> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>>>
>>> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
>>> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
>>> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
>>> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
>>> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
>>> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
>>> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>>>
>>> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
>>> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
>>> never seen. 
>>>
>>> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul 
>>> emblems. 
>>>
>>> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>>>
>>> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
>>> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
>>> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
>>> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
>>> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>>>
>>> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I 
>>> have heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their 
>>> own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like 
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
>>> asked. 
>>>
>>> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Matthew Williams]

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> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:46 AM, Michael Morrissey  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a Trek 
> FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her right. 
> She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is small but I 
> think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest wheel size. 
> Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously proportioned bicycle. 
> It looks like a penny-farthing.
> 
> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea and 
> quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
> 
> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of cheap) 
> with the smallest of touring bikes: 
> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
> Atlantis in 47cm?
> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
> Others???
> 
> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur in 
> 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
> 
> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> Michael 
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Re: [RBW] Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

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> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:46 AM, Michael Morrissey  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a Trek 
> FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her right. 
> She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is small but I 
> think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest wheel size. 
> Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously proportioned bicycle. 
> It looks like a penny-farthing.
> 
> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea and 
> quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
> 
> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of cheap) 
> with the smallest of touring bikes: 
> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
> Atlantis in 47cm?
> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
> Others???
> 
> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur in 
> 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
> 
> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> Michael 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 P Moore asked:   "what besides tubing stiffness might make a main triangle 
stiff or stable?"
Frame size:  small frames are stiffer than large frames.
John HawrylakWoodstown NJ
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:48:14 AM EST, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:  
 
 And yet that very light 531 normal gauge 1973 Motobecane frame handled heavy 
rear loads (all comparisons on Tubus Fly racks) better than much stouter 
frames. Why should that have been?
To turn that into another question: what besides tubing stiffness might make a 
main triangle stiff or stable?
It was rather remarkable: That presumably thinnish-wall, and certainly lighter, 
normal gauge 531 Motobecane handled rear loads better (for me -- this is all 
judged by seat-of-pants feel -- than that (for me) overbuilt 2003 Curt 
frameset, and better than with the Ram.
Fond memory: grunting 45 lb on the rear Fly in a 67" fixed gear on that 
Motobecane up an uber-steep 4/10 mile hill at 4 mph by the bike computer -- 
yep, 20 rpm. 
On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 6:13 AM Ron Mc  wrote:

Hi Patrick, on the rear load thing - that stability is in the main triangle. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Leah Peterson]

Marc - my thoughts, too! I know if will fade a little bit over time, but should not be so severe.Minh, no, these are a new and full set that Paul sent to the anodizer for me! I did pay extra for that, but it was a nominal fee, I thought. They don’t usually do the entire brake, usually levers and barrel adjustors, I think, but we got wild and decided to do the whole kit. We just have to be careful setting them up, but then it should be fine and shouldn’t mark up the posts.On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Minh  wrote:pretty cool, so they did not have fully made parts but were able to sell you a box of partial parts to mix and match your own?  i"m guessing this is a little too labor intensive to make a regular thing but very nice of them to still be able to do this. On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:If Paul did the anodizing, this time it will be right!MarcOn Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and everything was silver 4 months later. But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via email) and we made a plan. We colored it all. The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants to see what is in these boxes?” So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had never seen. “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul emblems. “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I have heard they are a small operation, but they are famous in their own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like me.Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he asked. Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.Leah 



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[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Minh]

pretty cool, so they did not have fully made parts but were able to sell 
you a box of partial parts to mix and match your own?  i"m guessing this is 
a little too labor intensive to make a regular thing but very nice of them 
to still be able to do this. 


On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:

> If Paul did the anodizing, this time it will be right!
>
> Marc
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
>> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
>> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
>> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>
>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>
>> We colored it all. 
>>
>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>>
>> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
>> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
>> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
>> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
>> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
>> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>>
>> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
>> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
>> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
>> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
>> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
>> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
>> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>>
>> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
>> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
>> never seen. 
>>
>> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul 
>> emblems. 
>>
>> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>>
>> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
>> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
>> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
>> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
>> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>>
>> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I 
>> have heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their 
>> own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like 
>> me.
>>
>> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
>> asked. 
>>
>> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>  
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Marc Irwin]

If Paul did the anodizing, this time it will be right!

Marc

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>
> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
> email) and we made a plan. 
>
> We colored it all. 
>
> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>
> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>
> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>
> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
> never seen. 
>
> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul emblems. 
>
> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>
> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>
> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I have 
> heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their own 
> right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like me.
>
> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
> asked. 
>
> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>
> Leah
>
>  
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[RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Ginz]

Actually, I was thinking of putting one of these away for my kids. 
Unfortunatley, the 42cm model only fits 26" wheels on the 
dual-pivot/centerbull brake version,  49-57mm reach.  Not the end of the 
world but not at good as canti brakes.


On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:21:11 AM UTC-5 Ginz wrote:

> Soma Fab has a 42cm Buena Vista Mixte. I don't think it gets you a MUCH 
> shorter top tube (518mm vs the typical 525mm or 540mm on a 48cm frame) , 
> but it is easier to mount for a smaller rider.
>
> They also go on sale now and then.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
>> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
>> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
>> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
>> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
>> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>>
>> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
>> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
>> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
>> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
>> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
>> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
>>
>> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
>> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
>> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
>> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
>> Atlantis in 47cm?
>> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
>> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
>> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
>> Others???
>>
>> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a 
>> Romanceur in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>>
>> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> Michael 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Ginz]

Soma Fab has a 42cm Buena Vista Mixte. I don't think it gets you a MUCH 
shorter top tube (518mm vs the typical 525mm or 540mm on a 48cm frame) , 
but it is easier to mount for a smaller rider.

They also go on sale now and then.



On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>
> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
>
> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
>
> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
> Atlantis in 47cm?
> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
> Others???
>
> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur 
> in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>
> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>
> Thanks! 
>
> Michael 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Patrick Moore]

The stiffness of the main triangle might be a big part of rear load
stability, but I'd guess that the stiffness of the rear rack is equally a
cause; I recall carrying a 2 feet tall (literally) stack of mostly hardback
library books in a pannier on the left side of a Fly on the very flexy
(normal gauge aluminum tubing) Raleigh Technium, and finding the bike still
perfectly rideable, if not perfectly balanced.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 6:13 AM Ron Mc  wrote:

> Hi Patrick, on the rear load thing - that stability is in the main
> triangle.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Patrick Moore]

And yet that very light 531 normal gauge 1973 Motobecane frame handled
heavy rear loads (all comparisons on Tubus Fly racks) better than much
stouter frames. Why should that have been?

To turn that into another question: what besides tubing stiffness might
make a main triangle stiff or stable?

It was rather remarkable: That presumably thinnish-wall, and certainly
lighter, normal gauge 531 Motobecane handled rear loads better (for *me* --
this is all judged by seat-of-pants feel -- than that (for me) overbuilt
2003 Curt frameset, and better than with the Ram.

Fond memory: grunting 45 lb on the rear Fly in a 67" fixed gear on that
Motobecane up an *uber-*steep 4/10 mile hill at 4 mph by the bike computer
-- yep, 20 rpm.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 6:13 AM Ron Mc  wrote:

> Hi Patrick, on the rear load thing - that stability is in the main
> triangle.

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[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[abraham nussbaum]

...and what a charming story about Paul. Good reminder of why we like 
craftspeople. Lovely!

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 6:38:52 AM UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Every ride is going to be like Valentines Day on that gorgeous bike!
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
>> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
>> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
>> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>
>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>
>> We colored it all. 
>>
>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>>
>> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
>> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
>> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
>> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
>> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
>> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>>
>> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
>> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
>> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
>> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
>> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
>> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
>> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>>
>> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
>> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
>> never seen. 
>>
>> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul 
>> emblems. 
>>
>> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>>
>> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
>> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
>> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
>> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
>> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>>
>> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I 
>> have heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their 
>> own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like 
>> me.
>>
>> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
>> asked. 
>>
>> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[tio ryan]

Thrilled to be part of the Riv family! I just commuted to work on my Platy 
and was smiling ear to ear the entire way. I even got a friendly ding-ding 
from a fellow Riv rider traveling in the opposite direction (I've seen a 
few others here in Brooklyn over the years). I'm sure more changes will 
come with time, I'm curious to see myself how it'll look in a year or two. 
In the near future, I know I'd like to add a rear rack, or maybe a bag. 

Steve, that's exactly what it is! I'm not even sure who makes this 
particular one, but it had been strapped to my old man's Hardrock since the 
early 90s. It's quite nice inverted on a step-thru since the underside of 
the bag has a reinforced/padded strap that's very comfortable to sit on, or 
to rest your feet. It also doesn't hurt that it can fit some tools as I'm 
still dialing in my saddle/bar heights & angles. It was this 
 Blue Lug/Riv video 
where I saw one on Roman's bike and copied the idea. It's fantastic.

-tio

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:22:41 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tio - I meant to ask about the bag -- Inverted MTB portage bag?
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>
>> Tio, you've got yourself a good looking Platypus there!!!   It's always 
>> nice to see another Man On A Mixte.   Enjoy!!!
>>
>> Steve
>> Platypus
>> Ritchey Outback
>> Sampson Silverton 650b conversion
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> After years of admiration, I finally talked myself into purchasing a 
>>> 50cm Platypus complete (Sergio Green) back in November. It arrived 
>>> mid-December and brought my current fleet of bikes to 3, each with a 
>>> different wheel size: 26", 700c, and now 650b. This purchase was also my 
>>> first brand new complete bicycle in over 25 years. I chose the complete 
>>> since I liked the cranks/wheels, but knowing how much I like to tinker I 
>>> should have realized it wouldn't stay that way for long. 
>>>
>>> I rode the bike stock for a short while before eventually changing out 
>>> the shifters, brakes, bars/stem, seatpost, and adding on a campee rack, 
>>> kickstand, and most recently, sks bluemels. I also swapped the chainrings 
>>> for my preferred biopace style in a 44/28 combo with a front derailer 
>>> delete since I don't need it right now (and the stock one is ugly). With 
>>> these changes, this bike is beginning to feel like 'my own' and I've never 
>>> owned such a nice bicycle! Here's a photo of how mine looks currently:
>>>
>>>  [image: platy.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Bars: Nitto Albatross w/ Control Tech extensions
>>> Shifter: Suntour Power Ratchet
>>> Brakes: Shimano DXR MX70
>>> Pedals: Simworks Taco 
>>>
>>> It took me a minute to realize the easiest way to carry the bike up to 
>>> my 3rd floor apartment is by shouldering it through the rear triangle. 
>>> Since learning this, I've had no problem getting the bike in and out of my 
>>> apartment, despite it's longer length. My favourite modification is the 
>>> upside down shoulder bag that I copied from Roman. Combined with the 
>>> kickstand, it provides the perfect place to rest my feet while seated on a 
>>> bench. At traffic lights, it's a very comfortable place to sit! 
>>>
>>> I am absolutely loving this bike and I'm ecstatic to finally own a Riv. 
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:41:29 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 My Platypus complete in Sergio's Green has landed. Swapped out the 
 Tosco bars for Billies. Installing a Sims Obento front rack and basket 
 next. I've got a long wait until spring! 

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:17:00 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> What a delight for your wife to see this under the Christmas tree!
>
> Sarah
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0972.jpg]
>> Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for 
>> Christmas. 
>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5 
>> sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame 
>>> on its way to you!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all 
 the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting 
 a new 
 frame... 🤔

 Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 

 On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
> wife’s in time! 
>
> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>
> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping 
> to put my wife's under the

[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Sarah Carlson]

Every ride is going to be like Valentines Day on that gorgeous bike!

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>
> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
> email) and we made a plan. 
>
> We colored it all. 
>
> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>
> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>
> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>
> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
> never seen. 
>
> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul emblems. 
>
> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>
> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>
> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I have 
> heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their own 
> right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like me.
>
> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
> asked. 
>
> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>
> Leah
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

[Drew Fitchette]

The last Charlie sightings(blue lug visit) almost has it looking like a
Homer with the Mixte like top tube. I appreciate it as someone with short
legs and a long torso, though the tire clearance and v brake/canti options
of the Sam has my vote.

- Drew


On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 01:09 Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Yeah!  Despite following the Charlie development perhaps more closely than
> anyone outside Riv HQ for the longest time, it's changed a bunch and I've
> kind of lost the pulse on what makes it unique in the lineup. I used to
> think it was going to be the evolution of the Roadini but it seems to be
> something else. Regardless I am betting it'll be a quick bike as the name
> implies, perhaps with just a little more embedded versatility compared to
> the Roadini?
>
>
> On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 20:25:19 UTC-8 rockthr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am intrigued by the Charlie Gallop. The random photos I’ve seen so far
>> make it look like a road, path, , rail trail cruiser that I need.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:17:49 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jason, I 100% agree with you on the Joe vs. Atlantis, and the void in
>>> Riv’s lineup for a classic-styled roadish tourer (which is why I think so
>>> many folks are searching for early era Atlantis frames these days - I’m
>>> glad to have found one this past year). I’m not a fan of what the Atlantis
>>> has evolved into, but wouldn’t rule out an Appaloosa in my near future.
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>> Lex Ky
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 10:42 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
>>> Word is the Sam is unchanged from previous batches, geometry-wise,
>>> which is wonderful news as Sam is perfect.  No plans to pick up anything
>>> this year, in fact it's my fourth annual "no new bikes" resolution which
>>> has failed three times thus far.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a big fan of the new Susie's combination of specs, more stout than
>>> the old one (which was flexy to the extent it didn't make a good off-road
>>> tourer for most people) but quill stem. Dig that.
>>>
>>> I find the Appaloosa to be a lot better on the eyes than the modern
>>> Atlantis and I struggle to understand why since they're nearly the same. In
>>> my dream scenario, the Atlantis would go backwards slightly to bit a little
>>> more roadish in geometry, something similar to the Sam, but with the
>>> additional stoutness and tire clearance. I feel like this more road-focused
>>> true touring bike is currently missing in the lineup, and still falls
>>> within modern Riv sensibilities. Of course, I have no say in this, but a
>>> guy can dream.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 13:03:05 UTC-8 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Saw this in the last email:


- February - Clems
- March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
- April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
- May - Sam Hillbornes
- June - Appaloosas
- July - Platypus bikes and frames
- August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info
later
- September - Roadini

 Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have
 plans to pick up a new frame in 2024?

 Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into
 retirement is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer.
 Anyone out there still pining for that turquoise dream?

 - Drew

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Ron Mc]

Hi Patrick, on the rear load thing - that stability is in the main 
triangle.  
People sought out old Raleigh Grand Prix to build touring bikes because of 
the straight-gauge 10-20 tubes and rigid main triangle.  
In comparison, my International frame has too much flex in the main 
triangle to carry a rear load, but it's a wonderful ride and climber.  
Regards

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 4:34:47 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Oh, one more tangentially related remark: The best bikers I've owned for 
> rear load carrying have had light and flexy frames; most notably the 1973 
> Motobecane Grand Record whose frame felt so light compared to that 2003 Riv 
> Curt custom and was noticeably more flexible. The flexy-flyer early -ed 
> Raleigh Technium sports tourer also carried rear loads very well, better 
> than the current 2020 Matthews; and the current .8 .4 .8 normal gauge 531 
> 2020 Matthews, if not the best load carrier, does as well as the over-stiff 
> 2003 Curt and the 2nd gen Rambouillet; Tubus Flys, tho' the 2003 later had 
> a Matthews custom rack and the 2020's Fly was modified in by Bilenky to, 
> among other things, to sit lower over the shorter, 26" wheel.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 3:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I'm sure weight makes a difference; I'm not convinced it makes all the 
>> difference since I've had at least a couple of bikes that consistently felt 
>> "faster" despite weighing 10 or 12+ lbs more than the 1999. I expect as 
>> others have said that it is a happy coincidence of weight, flex, tires, 
>> fit, and position.
>>
>> The 2 Matthews -- fat tire road bike for dirt, 26" wheel road bike for 
>> errands -- actually have, I think, thinner tubing and lighter frames, 
>> proportions preserved, than the 1999. The 2020 Matthews errand bike frame 
>> was deliberately built with lighter, more flexible tubes than the 2003 Riv 
>> Goodrich custom which cloned the 1999, and indeed, with Elk Passes, I began 
>> to think that it might even be faster than the 1999 despite it's 8 or 10 lb 
>> greater weight. It feels fast with the el NPs but no longer a competitor to 
>> the 1999. The 622 fat tire Matthews felt almost as fast with the Big Ones 
>> (and only slightly slower again with the Somas, preferred for their 
>> pavement handling) and despite a 12 or 13 lb weight difference, but part of 
>> that may have been the "feel" of longer 175 mm cranks, tho this too had 
>> thinwall (OS) tubing.
>>
>> But again: the 1958 Herse felt (consistently over 18 or 24 months) 1 cog 
>> faster than "usual" despite thick-wall tubes that caused 2 other owners to 
>> pass it on cheap, heavy weight (forget, but it must have been at least 28 
>> lb if not more with racks), and ho-hum 32 mm Paselas. Tho' the thick-wall 
>> tubing was normal gauge.
>>
>> Again, all of these and my other bikes have been set up for largely the 
>> same riding position.
>>
>> Too look at the question from the reverse -- What made a bike feel so 
>> slow and awkward? -- the Monocog is a good instance, tho' it's current and 
>> improved "feel" is merely "nice" and not superlative. When I got it, with 
>> stiff, heavily knobbed and IIRC wire bead tires, OEM wide (2012) bar, and 
>> 172 mm Q crank, it just felt penitential to ride, on dirt and certainly on 
>> pavement. Supple (relatively) WTB Rangers, 156 mm Q crank, close-in 44 cm 
>> (hoods) drop bar with no ramps, tiny-reach upjutter stem (7 cm along 
>> extension, 30 or 35* rise), now it's actually fun to ride. What hasn't 
>> changed is the girder-stiff tubing.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 1:22 PM 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
>> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>>
>>> Bill L questioned the 12# weight difference.
>>>
>>> I sort of missed the 12#, mainly since Bike D was stated to 'feel fast' 
>>> and I assumed B & C would use heavier tubing due to the 73 to 75# load 
>>> requirement and A must be thick gauge tubing given the 30# weight (Schwinns 
>>> in the 1980"s used 1010 18 gauge tubing in lugged frames and quoted 30 to 
>>> 32# weights).
>>>
>>> I admit D should be about 1 mph faster than the A, B C due to the 11 to 
>>> 13# weight difference (basis R Schwinn stated Schwinn tests showed 12# 
>>> change in frame resulted in a 1 mph change with same effort).   I focused 
>>> on the 'feel fast' vs 'tested and shown faster'.
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Ron Mc]

Can't get too much Paul or too much bling - anxiously awaiting results 
photos.  
A bike with that much love may also need a christening - what's his/her 
name?  

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 6:30:43 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’m anxious to see your impressions of the Paul Motolite brake setup. In 
> my experience, the combo of Love lever and Motolite v-brake has the best 
> feel, best stopping power, and easiest setup and adjustment of any brake 
> setup I’ve ever used. 
>
> -Brian
> Lex Ky 
>
> On Jan 12, 2024, at 7:23 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
> That is a really cool story and so glad to hear. I am an absolute sucker 
> for anything Paul. The moto-lite brakes and Love Levers are my all time 
> favorites. Although I didn't need much persuading you have inspired me to 
> pony up the dough to swap out the parts for Paul Components on my own 
> Platypus. 
>
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 12:44:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> That rose is so pretty. I grant your swanky new Paul brakes my 
>> highest praise, they're RIDICULOUS 
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
>>> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
>>> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
>>> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>>
>>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
>>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
>>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>>
>>> We colored it all. 
>>>
>>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>>>
>>> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
>>> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
>>> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
>>> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
>>> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
>>> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>>>
>>> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
>>> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
>>> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
>>> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
>>> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
>>> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
>>> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>>>
>>> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
>>> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
>>> never seen. 
>>>
>>> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul 
>>> emblems. 
>>>
>>> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>>>
>>> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
>>> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
>>> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
>>> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
>>> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>>>
>>> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I 
>>> have heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their 
>>> own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like 
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
>>> asked. 
>>>
>>> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Brian Turner]

I’m anxious to see your impressions of the Paul Motolite brake setup. In my experience, the combo of Love lever and Motolite v-brake has the best feel, best stopping power, and easiest setup and adjustment of any brake setup I’ve ever used. -BrianLex Ky On Jan 12, 2024, at 7:23 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:That is a really cool story and so glad to hear. I am an absolute sucker for anything Paul. The moto-lite brakes and Love Levers are my all time favorites. Although I didn't need much persuading you have inspired me to pony up the dough to swap out the parts for Paul Components on my own Platypus. On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 12:44:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:That rose is so pretty. I grant your swanky new Paul brakes my highest praise, they're RIDICULOUS On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and everything was silver 4 months later. But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via email) and we made a plan. We colored it all. The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants to see what is in these boxes?” So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had never seen. “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul emblems. “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I have heard they are a small operation, but they are famous in their own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like me.Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he asked. Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.Leah 



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[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Tim Bantham]

That is a really cool story and so glad to hear. I am an absolute sucker 
for anything Paul. The moto-lite brakes and Love Levers are my all time 
favorites. Although I didn't need much persuading you have inspired me to 
pony up the dough to swap out the parts for Paul Components on my own 
Platypus. 

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 12:44:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That rose is so pretty. I grant your swanky new Paul brakes my highest 
> praise, they're RIDICULOUS 
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
>> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
>> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
>> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>
>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>
>> We colored it all. 
>>
>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>>
>> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
>> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
>> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
>> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
>> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
>> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>>
>> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
>> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
>> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
>> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
>> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
>> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
>> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>>
>> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
>> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
>> never seen. 
>>
>> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul 
>> emblems. 
>>
>> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>>
>> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
>> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
>> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
>> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
>> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>>
>> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I 
>> have heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their 
>> own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like 
>> me.
>>
>> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
>> asked. 
>>
>> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>  
>>
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