Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

The way to start is to wheel your bike into the store with an air of owning
the place. If someone questions you, you must assume an air of injured and
very superior dignity.

Note: if you get away with it for a year or so, then, when someone
questions you, you can say, "Well! I've been wheeling it through here since
well before you worked here."

Seriously, I do ask first -- "May I use this as my grocery cart?" Must try
it at the new Sprout's nearest my house -- have preferred the nice ride to
the Corrales one.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 9:23 PM 'clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Oh...A DahonNever mindI see your point.
> You have me wondering how my local Safeway would take to me using my
> Atlantis as a grocery cartSure would be simpler. No locking up the
> bike, getting a cart, forgetting my reusable bags, wiping off the slimy
> cart handle with handi wipes that are always dry, putting the groceries in
> the cart, unloading, scanning and plastic bagging them while getting dirty
> looks, recarting them, wheeling the cart out then block the sidewalk with
> my cart (more dirty looks), while I unload the shopping basket into the
> panniers, front basket and rear rack bag, then go to move my bike and
> realize its still locked to the rack (every time ).
>
> I like your way, way better.. Way.
> Load, scan, load. Done.
> Brilliant!
>
> Clayton
> DDD
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 4:13 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
> I entirely agree; the best stand for heavy rear loads, even rather
> assymetrical ones, was a $18 Greenfield dropout mount one. Problem is, this
> is a Dahon folder, and if you clutter up the left rear dropout area with
> one of those stands, it interferes with folding. I think I will remove the
> bb-mount stand and re-install my VO front wheel stabilizer; at least with
> that I can lean the bike up against shelves (I wheel the Dahon into the
> store as my grocery cart) and have it stay up.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[nick b]

My double top tube 58 Appaloosa with with the "big" front and rear racks, 
medium saddlesack (which I store the large shopsack in), big basket, 
generator hub and lights, a couple tubes, patches, pump, etc weighs 
42.4lbs.  It's so heavy I have stopped caring.  Friday night I carried 2 
helinox chairs, a growler of beer, and a sweatshirt up my regular climb in 
sandals and a soccer jersey and met my wife to watch the sunset.  It took 
me 15 minutes longer than it does on my road bike but that's beside the 
point.  I have several light bikes and I'd rather ride my Rivendell on most 
occasions.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 at 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
> weigh.
>  
> Would be informative to know:
> 1. Model
> 2. Framesize
> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
> (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
> dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
> bags/bottles on board, please).
> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
> everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
> expected.
>  
> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>  
> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh...A DahonNever mindI see your point. You have me wondering how my 
local Safeway would take to me using my Atlantis as a grocery cartSure 
would be simpler. No locking up the bike, getting a cart, forgetting my 
reusable bags, wiping off the slimy cart handle with handi wipes that are 
always dry, putting the groceries in the cart, unloading, scanning and plastic 
bagging them while getting dirty looks, recarting them, wheeling the cart out 
then block the sidewalk with my cart (more dirty looks), while I unload the 
shopping basket into the panniers, front basket and rear rack bag, then go to 
move my bike and realize its still locked to the rack (every time ).  
I like your way, way better.. Way. Load, scan, load. Done.Brilliant!
ClaytonDDD


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On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 4:13 PM, Patrick Moore  
wrote:

I entirely agree; the best stand for heavy rear loads, even rather assymetrical 
ones, was a $18 Greenfield dropout mount one. Problem is, this is a Dahon 
folder, and if you clutter up the left rear dropout area with one of those 
stands, it interferes with folding. I think I will remove the bb-mount stand 
and re-install my VO front wheel stabilizer; at least with that I can lean the 
bike up against shelves (I wheel the Dahon into the store as my grocery cart) 
and have it stay up.





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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It was whatever Rivendell installed when they built it; probably a 
Pletscher. It gets pretty windy here in Iowa, and I've learned to lay my 
bikes on the ground instead of using kickstands or leaning them against 
objects. Our Powderkeg sounds like scaffolding falling over when a big gust 
of wind catches it.

I haven't had a chance to ride the San Marcos since paring it down to 24.5# 
because our bike paths have been under water for the past month. I'm 
picking up a custom Guitar Ted-built wheelset of Velocity Quills for my 
Atlantis on Monday that should knock off considerable weight when I set it 
up tubeless next Spring.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 2:50:19 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 26.5 lb is not bad at all for such a build. My custom 26" wheel fixie, 
> with dynamo lighting, fenders, racks, is probably 1 1/2 lb lighter, and 
> that's with a Dingle fixed drivetrain in place of a 3X9.
>
> * I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike falling over all 
> of the time.*
>
> Now that is interesting, since stands are meant precisely to keep the bike 
> from falling over. What sort of kickstand, and why did it fall over? I am 
> ready to remove the bb-area stand from my Hon Solo, because when you have 
> even a bit more weight in the left-side pannier than the right, the stand 
> will not hold the bike up, as I discovered yet once again today at the 
> grocery store.
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:29 PM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I tore the bike down to the frame for a thorough cleaning and a Frame 
>> Saver treatment. I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike 
>> falling over all of the time. I then swapped the Sugino triple and 
>> Microshift FD for an IRD Lobo 46/30 with a Shimano CX-70 FD, and replaced 
>> the Noodle with a 46 cm Soba bar that was on my Atlantis. It now weighs 
>> 24.5 lbs. without the pump and seat bag.
>>
>> Soma San Marcos
>> 59
>> 26.5# with kickstand, frame pump, and Brand V seat bag
>> Sugino triple crankset
>> 9-speed
>> Tektro side-pull brakes
>> Cane Creek levers
>> Shimano bar-ends
>> Selle Anatomico Titantico-X
>> Noodle bars
>> Nitto stem
>> Nitto seatpost
>> Shimano XT spd pedals
>> Velocity Synergy rims 32-spoke
>> Shimano 105 hubs
>> Jack Brown Blue 
>> King SS bottle cages
>> bell, Garmin mount, and Newbaum's cloth tape
>>
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Bill Lindsay]

Toshi pointed out that I’ve got a fast Leo Roadini. It’s true that I do. I 
posted my best time ever for a 200k today on my Leo Roadini. I like my Leo very 
much. I’ll post a separate ride report. Bike reviews and ride reports tell you 
more about the person than they do about the bike. OMO

Bill Lindsay 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

I entirely agree; the best stand for heavy rear loads, even rather
assymetrical ones, was a $18 Greenfield dropout mount one. Problem is, this
is a Dahon folder, and if you clutter up the left rear dropout area with
one of those stands, it interferes with folding. I think I will remove the
bb-mount stand and re-install my VO front wheel stabilizer; at least with
that I can lean the bike up against shelves (I wheel the Dahon into the
store as my grocery cart) and have it stay up.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:28 PM 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> My bike falling over is extremely annoying, especially when something gets
> broken or scratched. I cannot begin to gush how much better a rear triangle
> mounted, Greenfield kickstand works, versus a chain stay mount. I just
> cannotI will not use a chain stay mount. I’d rather go without. Now
> that being said, I love my rear mount and wouldn’t think of taking it off.
> I’m in and out of my rack bag all the time and it does not fall over. When
> loading my groceries, I fill the rear left with some weight before loading
> the other bags. It never falls over.
> Esthetics(?) be damned. As with all kickstands, go light with the torque
> wrench when installingWAY more stable with loaded panniers than a
> bottom bracket install.
>
> Crap, I gushed.
>
> Clayton
> DDD
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My bike falling over is extremely annoying, especially when something gets 
broken or scratched. I cannot begin to gush how much better a rear triangle 
mounted, Greenfield kickstand works, versus a chain stay mount. I just 
cannotI will not use a chain stay mount. I’d rather go without. Now that 
being said, I love my rear mount and wouldn’t think of taking it off. I’m in 
and out of my rack bag all the time and it does not fall over. When loading my 
groceries, I fill the rear left with some weight before loading the other bags. 
It never falls over. 
Esthetics(?) be damned. As with all kickstands, go light with the torque 
wrench when installingWAY more stable with loaded panniers than a bottom 
bracket install. 

Crap, I gushed. 

Clayton 
DDD

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm trying to distinguish frame flex from faster riding.  For me, I'm not
sure that a Roadeo and Roadini built to the same weight would ride any
faster.  Of course, I feel a dramatic difference when I go from my 35 lb
racked and bagged up Hilsen to my 22 lb Roadeo, but I doubt that much of
that is due to the tubing.  Would a similarly built up Ram and Roadeo feel
different?  Yes, I think the Roadeo would feel faster because it handles
faster.  I don't know if it would go any faster, but maybe once you get the
feel for the livelier-handling Roadeo other bikes would feel slow.  I don't
know if that has anything to do with the tubing, but that's hard to tell.
As far as frame flex/planing goes I don't notice any on my bikes--maybe a
little on the Roadeo when I'm mashing up hills out of the saddle, but not
convincingly noticeable--only on my heavily loaded AHH did I feel a
consistent spring from the frame flex...

I know that Bill built up his Roadini and it feels fast and he goes fast on
it.  I guess he might be a good person to comment on the tubing because he
has a lightish Roadini and a light Legolas...

Toshi


Toshi


On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 11:48 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> I am 147lbs and 5'8"
> For me a noticeable diff between Bleriot/Sam, then a step up in ease of
> pedalling to Ram, then a dramatic step up to Roadeo. I can also confirm the
> diffs in mph and cog diffs in familiar terrain. Higher toothcounts front
> and back on Roadeo and getting up hills easier than with the other bikes.
> Though I am not obsessed with speed, but want a bike that moves easily as
> I pedal along and doesn't bog down on hills and make me feel like I am
> fighting the bike.
>
> I am guessing the diff is in frame tubing because the Roadeo is definitely
> the more efficient bike, even with very similar Rivish build. Maybe
> chainstay length, too.
>
> Toshi is about same size as me and we ride same frame sizes.
> Perhaps our diffs are in fit measurements.
> Also, Toshi is a power Randonneur, so he can probably blast any bike down
> the road with ease.
> Where I am a weak rider and maybe can feel the diffs.
> I remember that BQ stated the most dramatic diffs felt in their tires are
> felt by weak/slow riders. Maybe the same for tubing diffs.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

26.5 lb is not bad at all for such a build. My custom 26" wheel fixie, with
dynamo lighting, fenders, racks, is probably 1 1/2 lb lighter, and that's
with a Dingle fixed drivetrain in place of a 3X9.

* I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike falling over all
of the time.*

Now that is interesting, since stands are meant precisely to keep the bike
from falling over. What sort of kickstand, and why did it fall over? I am
ready to remove the bb-area stand from my Hon Solo, because when you have
even a bit more weight in the left-side pannier than the right, the stand
will not hold the bike up, as I discovered yet once again today at the
grocery store.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:29 PM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I tore the bike down to the frame for a thorough cleaning and a Frame
> Saver treatment. I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike
> falling over all of the time. I then swapped the Sugino triple and
> Microshift FD for an IRD Lobo 46/30 with a Shimano CX-70 FD, and replaced
> the Noodle with a 46 cm Soba bar that was on my Atlantis. It now weighs
> 24.5 lbs. without the pump and seat bag.
>
> Soma San Marcos
> 59
> 26.5# with kickstand, frame pump, and Brand V seat bag
> Sugino triple crankset
> 9-speed
> Tektro side-pull brakes
> Cane Creek levers
> Shimano bar-ends
> Selle Anatomico Titantico-X
> Noodle bars
> Nitto stem
> Nitto seatpost
> Shimano XT spd pedals
> Velocity Synergy rims 32-spoke
> Shimano 105 hubs
> Jack Brown Blue
> King SS bottle cages
> bell, Garmin mount, and Newbaum's cloth tape
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

As an extension of this thread, a related question: what is our list's
lightest Rivendell? Be sure to describe build (fixed, 1XN, 3XN) and size
(48 or 64).

My 1999 Joe Starck gofast fixie custom, 26" wheels, weighs 18.1 lb with all
bolt-on parts but no strap on or slip in parts, a disappointing increase of
0.3 0.-- 04 lb after I weighed it on an expensive digital scale instead of
an apparently less accurate spring scale. Afterward, I could feel the added
weight slowing me down. Actually, it was probably the added flipside Dingle
and the second Iris cage that bumped up the weight.

But seriously, though it has a (gasp!) titanium spindle in the Phil 113 mm
bb assembly, and a (even more gasp!) titanium stem binder bolt, it also has
2X Phil hubs, no lightweights, and 360 gram/pr Dura Ace 7410 SPD pedals
(replacing the ti-spindled, magnesium bodied spds that weighed about 240
grams the pair. *And* in addition to the lightweight 15 t Surly track cog
on side A, it has a 17/19 Dingle on side B, which adds a good 100 grams.
("Speeds" are 76", 67", and a stump-pulling 60".) The rest of the build
bits were chosen for a best-mix of strength + weight + comfort and + style
(I admit it): Pro 5 Vis 46t single, 7410 seatpost, Nitto Tech Deluxe stem,
quill amputated (in the absence of a Pearl; the TD has much the same finish
as the later Pearls); A9 headset, original issue Flite, Iris cages, 7410
brake levers, left with lever proper removed, right pulling (IIRC; logo
long gone) Suntour S Pro caliper. Sun M14A 559 rims, Schwalbe lightweight
26" tubes, Compass Elk Pass tires, Lezyne bar tape, thinner model.

What prompted my question was stumbling via Bike Radar onto a YouTube of
the 2018 National Hill Climb Championships in England, where one
participant, a scrawny 20-something, said his fixed gear entry weighed 5.41
kilos (11.9 lbs). I realize that no Rivendell on this earth will get close
to that, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone got a medium-sized Roadeo
below 18.1, multiple gears, rear brake, and all. So, speak up, please.

Back to the present thread: over 20 years, this bike surprises me each time
I get back on it after riding others with its ease of pedaling -- it
"wants" me to pedal in a higher gear (76" versus the usual ~70"), and it is
easier to get up to speed in that higher gear as well as to maintain it on
the flats. It also climbs easier, even with the higher gear. It's
noticeably easier to pedal than the almost identical 2003 Curt, which of
course is built with fenders, lights, racks. That said, when Chauncey
Matthews hoisted the frameset to take it back to his workshop for
modifications last summer, he shrugged and said, "Not so light."

Hill Climb Championships: Does anyone know the typical slopes and
distances? And what gears the winners typically use? I couldn't find any of
this in googleworld.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

I think Boulder Bikes won’t recommend 6/4/6 skinny tubes over certain rider 
weight either.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Paul G]

Interesting discussion as usual. I eeigh163 lbs and I sometimes wonder if my 
61cm Roadeo is more stout than ideal. That sounds silly given that it's Riv's 
lightest bike, but it has to be able to withstand 250 lbs of rider weight.

In the custom frame section of the Riv website, there's an explanation of how a 
stock frame has to be built to safely support the heaviest rider any participle 
size might have riding it. It explains that a custom allows taking advantage of 
a rider's weight, particularly if they are lightweight.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

I am 147lbs and 5'8"
For me a noticeable diff between Bleriot/Sam, then a step up in ease of 
pedalling to Ram, then a dramatic step up to Roadeo. I can also confirm the 
diffs in mph and cog diffs in familiar terrain. Higher toothcounts front 
and back on Roadeo and getting up hills easier than with the other bikes.
Though I am not obsessed with speed, but want a bike that moves easily as I 
pedal along and doesn't bog down on hills and make me feel like I am 
fighting the bike.

I am guessing the diff is in frame tubing because the Roadeo is definitely 
the more efficient bike, even with very similar Rivish build. Maybe 
chainstay length, too.

Toshi is about same size as me and we ride same frame sizes.
Perhaps our diffs are in fit measurements.
Also, Toshi is a power Randonneur, so he can probably blast any bike down 
the road with ease.
Where I am a weak rider and maybe can feel the diffs.
I remember that BQ stated the most dramatic diffs felt in their tires are 
felt by weak/slow riders. Maybe the same for tubing diffs.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

Got it; the 57 is what I'd want; at least, I think so: are the sizes listed
measured center to center? If c-t, the 57 would be a 56 c-c and slightly
too small, though with the sloping tt I could probably get it to fit. I do
want a 56 to 57 cm top tube; 58.2 is too long, or at least so far less than
optimum that I'd choose something else. (In fact, the best fitting
flat-top-tube bike I've owned was 60 c-c X about 56.)

Getting back to Lum's experience (Lum: what is you real name again?) that
the Roadeo rides faster and easier than the Ram: I was thinking about this,
and I doubt it's a couple of lbs of weight. Some of the sprightliest bikes,
or at least, those that most encourage me to pedal faster -- my metric is
that I tend to use a 1-tooth smaller cog in back while cruising on the flat
-- that I've owned have been tanks; that Herse; the Matthews; an ancient
long-stayed Raleigh Technium, heavy tho' made largely from narrow tubed
aluminum; and ancient Schwin Tempo made from heavy Tenax tubing. Wheels
play a part, and so do tires, but IME there isn't a direct correspondence;
the Tempo had dog tires; the Herse used the tires I scavenged from a much
lighter (standard diameter 531 throughout) Motobecane and just felt faster.
Note: this comparison is wrt flatland cruising; other factors may interfere
with the feel of the bike while climbing; the Matthews is fast on the
flats, but feels much more ponderous on hills; of course, even 430 gram
rims and 450 gram tires with such a large diameter make a considerably
effectively heavier wheel than very light rims and light, narrow tires.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 8:56 AM Paul G  wrote:

> 58 cm happens to be between the two Roadeo sizes where the tubing gauge
> changes. The 57 and below use the lighter gauge and 59+ are stouter, more
> like a Ram and Hilsen.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm no lightweight at ~150, but none of the Rivs I've owned have flexed for
me except the A Homer Hilsen loaded with about 30 lbs of groceries (54 cm
frame).  This includes the Roadeo/Ram/AHH/Cheviot/Custom.

Toshi


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> Probly but i think Its not the weight. Its the flex.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

Probly but i think Its not the weight. Its the flex.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Jonathan D.]

Woudn’t the weight difference between a Roadini and Roadeo frame built the same 
be about 1-2 lbs?  I would assume it is not just the weight but the flex of the 
frame. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Paul G]

58 cm happens to be between the two Roadeo sizes where the tubing gauge 
changes. The 57 and below use the lighter gauge and 59+ are stouter, more like 
a Ram and Hilsen.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

I'd guess that the principal reasons for the difference are cost and a more
general all-rounder use for the Roadini; the Roadeo is a high-end road bike
aimed at the club rider as an alternative to good if not top quality carbon
fiber frames -- heck, as an alternative to 15K carbon fiber frames, if it
comes to that. So small, incremental, but real improvements in weight and,
even more, that "springiness" that you feel with a top quality steel frame
are qualities that particular market will pay for.

Me, I'd love a Roadeo, but will not buy a Roadini. (Does anyone have a 58
to sell? (The 58 is 6-4-6, right?) -- Though I still wonder about getting
another 26-wheel road custom ...

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 2:22 PM Ash  wrote:

> 
>
> Another part I'm pondering (probably only the designer can answer) is if
> their previous iteration of road bikes is lighter because of a different
> thickness/tapering proportions, what's the compromise.  There's got to be a
> reason why they changed the design from Roadeo.  Or is it that due to the
> type of tubing/material, the lighter (yet strong enough) design is only
> possible in MUSA frames?...
>
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

Grant will gladly discuss these issues with you, based on my experience 
asking him about TAIHomer vs. Roadini vs. MUSARoadeo.
I was researching this all in depth for my latest purchase.
I wanted the lightest tubing set they make because I knew the usual Riv 
8/5/8 frames fight against me on hills. Needed something that cooperates 
better for me. I just can't power an 8/5/8. He understood that TaiHomer and 
Roadini might not be what I am looking for.

The Roadeo is made specifically for road riding and not for 
touring/commuting/off road. But I use it for all road riding, includung 
commuting, because I carry small loads on the saddle bag and 6/4/6 works 
better for me. Easier to get up hills. Noticeably.
I think the Legolas and MUSARoadeo are the thinnest tubing specs they ever 
made on production bikes and they still make the mUSA Roadeo in regular 
production for now. Legolas as a custom I think.

So for me, it was about getting a frame that just makes it easier to pedal 
along.. The only thing I give up is the ability to use 42mm tires. But it 
works great with 32mm tires and I am happy with that size. Cannot do 
fenders unless I use 28mm tires. Of course, 42 with fenders would be great, 
but then I would have to be on an 8/5/8 Rivbike, which I already know, 
after owning 4 of them, that it would not be worth the hardship getting up 
hills and fighting the bike. The 32mm is fine for me on the Roadeo. The 
28mm with fenders on the Rambouillet as foul weather bike is fine. I can 
always go back to 650b x 42 on the Ram if I want the wider tires and the 
conversion works perfect on the Ram. Would not work good on Roadeo because 
fendering a Roadeo would be harder to do as the chainstay bridge is really 
far from where the fender would have to engage it. So, with these not being 
one size fits all bikes, you have to think about what is the most important 
for you and be willing to compromise on the rest or have a second bike to 
fulfill your other wishes.




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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Ash]

Hey Lum,

Appreciate you staying with me on these questions.

The next one being my 3rd Riv, I want to think it through a little more 
before pulling the trigger.  Hence all these questions.

The big question in my head is, with its specific deliberate design,  how 
heaver is Roadini as compared to Roadeo.

Another part I'm pondering (probably only the designer can answer) is if 
their previous iteration of road bikes is lighter because of a different 
thickness/tapering proportions, what's the compromise.  There's got to be a 
reason why they changed the design from Roadeo.  Or is it that due to the 
type of tubing/material, the lighter (yet strong enough) design is only 
possible in MUSA frames?...



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>
> Roadini specs from RBW:
> Roadini: 
> “0.9 x 0.7 TT and the length is cut from the butt (0.9) end. So you get 
> the 0.9 up at the front, where top tubes buckle. The 0.7 is on the thick 
> side for a belly (though it's the same as old Columbus SP, which was 1.0 x 
> 0.7 x 1.0--as a historical reference). 
>   
> The 0.7 seat-post end is light. But that's the least stressed portion on a 
> top tube. We use the same tube on our heavier bikes, but they're not 
> "chopped from the butt." Weight  difference is minimal. 
>   
> DT is a tapered tube--31.8 x 1.1 at the head tube, to 28.6 x 0.8 at the 
> bottom bracket. It's another "chopped from the butt" tube, to minimize the 
> 1.1 length, but still giving it a lot of buckle-resistance. 
>   
> You might wonder why a tapered tube here, and why not fatten it at the BB? 
> (Like Serotta's old "Colorado Concept" tubes were.) Well...almost all of 
> the tilting/fatigue stress down there at the crank is localized on the base 
> of the seat tube. I've seen 30 bikes (not all ours, thanks...) break there, 
> and zero break at the downtube. Strain gauge stess analysis reveals that 
> the stress is light on the down tube, heavy on the seat tube. 
>   
> That's why, on our TIG'd bikes, the seat tube is 1.1 there, and ovalized 
> laterally to 34.9 x 28.6.”
>

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

Roadini specs from RBW:
Roadini: 
“0.9 x 0.7 TT and the length is cut from the butt (0.9) end. So you get the 
0.9 up at the front, where top tubes buckle. The 0.7 is on the thick side 
for a belly (though it's the same as old Columbus SP, which was 1.0 x 0.7 x 
1.0--as a historical reference). 
  
The 0.7 seat-post end is light. But that's the least stressed portion on a 
top tube. We use the same tube on our heavier bikes, but they're not 
"chopped from the butt." Weight  difference is minimal. 
  
DT is a tapered tube--31.8 x 1.1 at the head tube, to 28.6 x 0.8 at the 
bottom bracket. It's another "chopped from the butt" tube, to minimize the 
1.1 length, but still giving it a lot of buckle-resistance. 
  
You might wonder why a tapered tube here, and why not fatten it at the BB? 
(Like Serotta's old "Colorado Concept" tubes were.) Well...almost all of 
the tilting/fatigue stress down there at the crank is localized on the base 
of the seat tube. I've seen 30 bikes (not all ours, thanks...) break there, 
and zero break at the downtube. Strain gauge stess analysis reveals that 
the stress is light on the down tube, heavy on the seat tube. 
  
That's why, on our TIG'd bikes, the seat tube is 1.1 there, and ovalized 
laterally to 34.9 x 28.6.”

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Daniel D.]

1. Roadini
2. 50CM
3. 25.2, 25.4 lbs,sometimes the scale says 25.2 sometimes 25.4
4. Build List
Rivendell S!lver  170mm wide/low crankset 
Ultegra CX70 front derailleur
M952 xt rear derailleur 
KMC 9 Speed Chain   
XT M770 9 Speed 11-34 MTB Cassette  

Microshift  2/3-9 speed bar end shifters

Trp RRL SL brake levers 
TRP - RG957 brake calipers

Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX Tire 700x33
Fulcrum Cross Wheelset I had lying around

nitto B-132 randonneur handlebars
Nitto NTC-DX Technomic Deluxe Stem 100mm
NITTO NJ-SP72 Jaguar seatpost, no seatpost included for me :>(  

Brooks B17 Select

Yokozuna reaction cable and housing set
Fizik Superlight Classic Bar Tape metallic blue, 
King Iris cages
crane e-ne copper bell  

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

Roadini tubing way thicker walled than Roadeo. Below 59cm sizes Roadeos are 
6/4/6 DT/TT. 8/5/8 59 and up.
Rooadini is much thicker. I have an email with tubing specs from grant about 
it. I was researching lightest built frame to get. I posted it in another 
thread too. Have to dig out the email

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Kalmia Vt]

My Appaloosa (55cm) with fenders, front Mark's Rack and rear pannier rack, 
three water bottle cages and two semi-full bottles, frame pump, bell, and 
mirror, B-17 saddle, Gilles Berthoud front bag (with snacks, spare jersey, 
spare tube, tire levers, spare rechargeable light,and Crank-Brothers 
lightweight tool set), Silver triple crank, M-520 pedals, drop bar with 
cotton tape (Newbaum's, bright red) and three coats of shellac (amber), 
front and rear dynamo lights, SP dynamo hub, 36 spoke wheels, Cliffhanger 
rims, and WTB Riddler 700 x 45 tires (tubeless) weighs 41.0 pounds, as 
measured with the weigh-each-end-on-the-bathroom-scale method. Removing the 
pump, bag (and contents) and bottles to comply with the OP's stipulation 
reduces the weight to 33.5 pounds. 

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 at 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
> weigh.
>  
> Would be informative to know:
> 1. Model
> 2. Framesize
> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
> (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
> dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
> bags/bottles on board, please).
> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
> everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
> expected.
>  
> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>  
> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Ash]

Got it, Lum. You have perhaps done some research in this area.  Do you 
happen to know frame + fork weight delta between Roadini and Roadeo?  It 
may change based on the frame size.  If you happen to know the difference 
for your size frames that'll be sufficient for me.



On Tuesday, 30 October 2018 12:21:59 UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Oops. Sorry, to clarify, I meant that Roadini and Hilsen are NOT 
> lightweight, thin walled, flexy tubed  built frames. like the MUSARoadeo 
> and Legolas are.
> So I am talking about frame  tubing  and performance, not components.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

Oops. Sorry, to clarify, I meant that Roadini and Hilsen are NOT lightweight, 
thin walled, flexy tubed  built frames. like the MUSARoadeo and Legolas are.
So I am talking about frame  tubing  and performance, not components.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Ash]

The 'build' would depend on the components I pick.  But what's the weight 
difference just with the frame/fork?  More than a pound?



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>
> Then MUSA Roadeo or MUSA Legolas.
> Neither the Hilsen or Roadini are leightweight builds.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

Then MUSA Roadeo or MUSA Legolas.
Neither the Hilsen or Roadini are leightweight builds.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Ash]

Lum,

Big congrats on losing 33 pounds!  

Weight of both you and your bikes are heading in the same direction :)

I have read a few posts from you making a case for a lighter Riv.  Now I'm 
finally considering building one! Thinking whether to go with a Roadini or 
MIT Hilsen. 

Hilsen can be Jobst style go anywhere bike. 

I ran into Riv brand while researching how to make my road bike more 
comfier.  This is a modern road bike Reynolds tubing, Campy gruppo, etc. 
 It is quite good.  I raised the handlebar with steer tube extender and 
what not, but  the riding position (after 30 mins or so) never got to the 
point of my liking. After riding Joe A with Albatross and later Bosco, 
there was no going back.

The other evening I had prepped my road bike for riding up Mt Diablo next 
morning.  But in the morning, 5 mins before starting to drive to Danville I 
decided to pick up Joe A (who's 12 lbs heaver), knowing that a lot of 
climbing.  This is how much I prefer the comfort that Grant's design offers 
(riding position/frame design, road imperfections getting absorbed up by 
the stem/handlebar/tire combo etc).  It was a harder to go up.  Took 
longer.  Still I, somehow, enjoying being on Joe A's saddle than the other 
bike.  

Replacing the road bike with a Riv design might change things a bit.  While 
for most (70%?) of the rides (around the town rides, grocery/farmers market 
trips, sight seeing trips to close by towns, rides with kid trailer..) will 
still happen on Joe A (who sports 2" Schwalbe Almotions or WTB horizon 
depending on the week), there are times I'd enjoy riding riding a lighter 
bike: when I'm in a mood to ride bike to work occasionally (21 miles each 
way) or going up one of the many mountains around here, etc.

So begins a new bike project...



On Wednesday, 24 October 2018 09:52:50 UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> I know the theory but not sure I subscribe to the RBW “weight ruse”. 
>
> You have to get that bike up that hill somehow. So that weight counts. 
>
> I lost thirty-three pounds of fat off my body this summer on keto diet and 
> the hills are still tough. But 22lb Roadeo makes it way easier than 25lb 
> Ram and 27lb Sam and 27lb Bleriot. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[John Hawrylak]

Lum

Glad to hear they we OS.  The 8-5-8 OS is same rigidity as 10-7-10 STD or 
like Columbus Tenax tubing.  The 6-4-6 OS is like 8-6-8 STD.  So a 0.1 mm 
wall decrease helps with the planning.

Just be careful of denting on the DT, J Heine claims walls of < 0.5mm tend 
to dent, especially the DT.

John Hawrylak

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 2:33:09 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> JohnThe 858 i rode were all rivendell os tubing
> Roadeo is 646 os

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Jonathan D.]

I have a Joe and test rode the MIT atlantis. The MIT Atlantis actually reminded 
me of the Sam hillborne with the difference being 650B. I think it is the 
shorter top tube. Personally I preferred the MIT Atlantis with the shorter top 
tube and 650B to my current Joe. The Joe will probably go up for sale at some 
point. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

JohnThe 858 i rode were all rivendell os tubing
Roadeo is 646 os

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Ash]

Hi Edgar,

Joe is 51cm.

Atlantis feels more nimble and quicker to pick up speed.  Also relatively 
stiffer.  Joe A is more comfortable overall.  It seems to absorb road 
impressions better than my Atlantis.  Perhaps because the frame is slightly 
bigger.  The tubing might be thinner than Atlantis too.  Not sure.  Or 
maybe it is because of the fork design.  Or it might be the wheels (Atlas 
vs Cliffhangers).  Hard for me to tell.  Joe seems every so slightly 
flexier.   I enjoy it much better for longer rides.  On the other hand 
Atlantis feel more suited for loading up - that is relatively speaking.   
Because I have loaded Joe with over 50lbs on a few occasions.  Had no 
problems.  Atlantis feels ever so slightly more stable with weight.

hth,

Ash


On Saturday, 27 October 2018 15:35:13 UTC-7, ed wrote:
>
> Hi Ash,
> What size is your Appaloosa?
> How do you compare the ride with your MIT Atlantis?
> Edgar
>
> On 27 Oct 2018, at 11:24 PM, Ash > wrote:
>
>
> Here's my Joe A.  He's 34 lbs.
>
>
> On Saturday, 27 October 2018 08:21:59 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>>
>> My MIT Atlantis 50cm as shown weighs 31 lbs.
>>
>> Brooks B67, those bulky Schwalbes and Velocity Cliffhangers are 
>> contributing all the extra ozs.   But for my use they are almost perfect. 
>>  Happy to peddle a bit extra weight and burn some extra calories while 
>> enjoying the luxurious ride they offer :)
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:18:27 UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>> This custom from 2001 (62cm) weighs in at 22l lbs.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Ash,
What size is your Appaloosa?
How do you compare the ride with your MIT Atlantis?
Edgar

> On 27 Oct 2018, at 11:24 PM, Ash  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's my Joe A.  He's 34 lbs.
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, 27 October 2018 08:21:59 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>> My MIT Atlantis 50cm as shown weighs 31 lbs.
>> 
>> Brooks B67, those bulky Schwalbes and Velocity Cliffhangers are contributing 
>> all the extra ozs.   But for my use they are almost perfect.  Happy to 
>> peddle a bit extra weight and burn some extra calories while enjoying the 
>> luxurious ride they offer :)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:18:27 UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>> This custom from 2001 (62cm) weighs in at 22l lbs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[John Hawrylak]

Lum

Are the 8/5/8 frames standard diameters or OS diameters?   Assuming the 
Roadeo is OS?

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 4:31:15 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> How I select bikes now:
>
> After fighting 8/5/8 TT/DT bikes for years up hills, I bought a 6/4/6 
> Roadeo.
> The ride is way better now. Hills way easier. I look forward to riding 
> now, instead of fearing hills.
>
> So I have decided any bike over 6/4/6 tubing is not for me.
> So that is the first criteria to meet when I select.
> Second, has to be steel.
> Third, pretty with nice fork bend and lugs, but lugs not a deal breaker.
>

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Brian Campbell]

This custom from 2001 (62cm) weighs in at 22l lbs.



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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Brian Campbell]

Here is a picture. I have taken the rear rack off and am now running 35mm 
Compass EL tires vs. the 38mm in the pcture




On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 12:55:24 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> My 61cm AHH 26.2lbs (hanging digital scale)
>
> 61cm Frame
> 32/32 Ultegra Hub/ Open Pro Wheel set
> 12-30 10 speed cassette
> Ultegra Long cage RD
> Shimano FX70 FD
> IRD Bar end Shifters w/ riv pods
> 46cm Noodle Bars 
> 9cm Nitto Pearl stem
> Thomson Elite seatpost
> Brooks Ti b17 special
> Late 80's Shinano XT crankset w/TA rings 46/36/26
> Compass Barlow Pass Tires EL
> VO 50mm snakeskin fenders
> Schmidt Edelux headlight
> Velo Lumino tailight
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I tore the bike down to the frame for a thorough cleaning and a Frame Saver 
treatment. I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike falling 
over all of the time. I then swapped the Sugino triple and Microshift FD 
for an IRD Lobo 46/30 with a Shimano CX-70 FD, and replaced the Noodle with 
a 46 cm Soba bar that was on my Atlantis. It now weighs 24.5 lbs. without 
the pump and seat bag.

Soma San Marcos
59
26.5# with kickstand, frame pump, and Brand V seat bag
Sugino triple crankset
9-speed
Tektro side-pull brakes
Cane Creek levers
Shimano bar-ends
Selle Anatomico Titantico-X
Noodle bars
Nitto stem
Nitto seatpost
Shimano XT spd pedals
Velocity Synergy rims 32-spoke
Shimano 105 hubs
Jack Brown Blue 
King SS bottle cages
bell, Garmin mount, and Newbaum's cloth tape


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>
> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
> weigh.
>  
> Would be informative to know:
> 1. Model
> 2. Framesize
> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
> (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
> dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
> bags/bottles on board, please).
> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
> everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
> expected.
>  
> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>  
> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>  
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

Don't be scared.
I bet it is under 28lbs. without bags on it.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[stevef]

I enjoy my Rambouillet too much to weight it.


On Sunday, August 3, 2014 at 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
> weigh.
>  
> Would be informative to know:
> 1. Model
> 2. Framesize
> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
> (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
> dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
> bags/bottles on board, please).
> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
> everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
> expected.
>  
> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>  
> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Nick Payne]

My 61cm Bleriot kitted out with Hetres, mudguards, B17 saddle, Nitto rack, 
Carradice Camper longflap, frame pump, and two full 750ml waterbottles 
weighs 17kg (37.5lbs). It would have weighed rather more in this photo as I 
had the Carradice filled with enough gear for a short tour in the Victorian 
Alps:




Nick

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Scott G.]

One of the fast guys in the used to ride a Schwinn Varsity, he did fine on 
it.
The seat broke, he used a piece of rebar to replace it.

As Ford used to claim for the Pinto, "More road hugging weight"
than a Toyota.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

How I select bikes now:

After fighting 8/5/8 TT/DT bikes for years up hills, I bought a 6/4/6 
Roadeo.
The ride is way better now. Hills way easier. I look forward to riding now, 
instead of fearing hills.

So I have decided any bike over 6/4/6 tubing is not for me.
So that is the first criteria to meet when I select.
Second, has to be steel.
Third, pretty with nice fork bend and lugs, but lugs not a deal breaker.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Of course weight matters. When climbing. It also matters if you live in a walk 
up, like I do, and carry your bike up and down the stairs several times a day. 
I don’t like ‘stupid’ weight, where there is zero thought to weight in the 
design process. The basic bicycle is the greatest invention and should be 
treated with respect if you pray at the throne of Bikedom. That means no stupid 
heavy crap. 

Weight matters when climbing. I have a much nicer day climbing up into the 
Oregon Cascades on my very light S-works Crux, than I do on my full suspension 
mountain bike or Atlantis. It feels far easier and is quicker up hills.  If I 
lived somewhere flat-ish, I wouldn’t care much about weight. I’d obsess over 
rolling resistance instead. But I live in Bend and all the fun rides are up. I 
enjoy my Atlantis more since I gave it an extreme drivetrain diet and dumped a 
pound or two. 

Esthetics: Most expensive and light components are kinda ugly and far from 
classic and warm. Most of the heavy stuff is cheap and ugly. There seems to be 
a narrow area where you get light, pretty and strong. Shopping seemed to get 
hard, so I went with lightweight, and against the Riv esthetics with my 
drivetrain. I am very fortunate that I was gifted a Sram XX1 gruppo which is 
now on my Atlantis. I am happier and lighter with getting rid of two 
chainrings, a full set of chain ring bolts, front shifter, derailleur and 
cable, and aluminum cranks. 

 I have played with rear racks, going with a Tubus for awhile, but went to the 
heavier Nitto as I use a Nitto stem and Nitto WTB dirtdrops from the eighties 
and wanted some semblance of matchy-matchy. My bike is my only transportation 
and has been for many years, and a strong rear rack is important for rather 
heavy grocery loads, usually around forty to sixty pound loads. The Nitto rack 
has more sway than the Tubus as it isn’t triangulated, and it weighs more, but 
I prefer it. Weird. I guess matchy-matchy is more important than weight 
somewhere in my emotions, because it makes no sense. 

I am interested in how everyone pick a bike and components/accessories. 
Emotionally? Logically? A mix? How much do looks matter? Efficiency?  I would 
think that most on here pick emotionally, as Rivendells tickle the beauty 
button and the Riv lifestyle is warm and easy, versus high tech plastic clothed 
people, and bikes with six hundred dollar power meters and computers and 
electronic shifting, who usually ride smileless doing intervals.  I have high 
tech bikes and my Atlantis. I ride my Atlantis constantly, and my other bikes 
only to ‘train’ for summer bikepacking. My high tech plastic bikes are just 
appliances, and my Atlantis is a classic Triumph cafe motorcycle, which I LOVE. 
 For me, I think it is the lugs.

 I want to emotionally bond and buy a Gus boots as my new “the one”, but the 
lack of lugs and other major issues, don’t twang my heartstrings. From past 
experiences I know the ride quality alone does not cover up an appliance. My 
Crux rides like a magic carpet, but is attractive like a cheap refrigerator.  A 
bikepacking and car replacement bike needs to be a reasonable weight, at least 
here climbing in the Oregon Cascades, unless you are a masochist. A simple 
straight tubed frame with lugs and a sloping tube with 2.8 tire clearance would 
be my ultimate Riv. The sloping top tube would allow me to run a suspension 
seatpost AND a HiteRite for bikepacking, the lugs would make it beautiful and 
the simple clean design would be efficient both in rear cable routing and 
tubing weight. As of now, I am ‘weighting’ on the changes on the Gus before I 
have a custom lugged frame made, or buy a Ti bikepacker such as the Ti Fargo or 
Bearclaw. 

Heartstrings?  Or less ‘shut up legs, the bike isn’t heavy’? 

I am curious on everyone’s feelings about how you decide on a bike so I can 
figure out how I decide. 類 浪  I think any bike I buy will be inferior to my 
Atlantis, and I fear the expensive purchase. How to decidesigh. I know it 
won’t be ‘stupid’ heavy (designed with no respect to weight) unless it is so 
beautiful I don’t care. I haven’t seen a bike like that though...

Clayton 
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

I know the theory but not sure I subscribe to the RBW “weight ruse”.

You have to get that bike up that hill somehow. So that weight counts.

I lost thirty-three pounds of fat off my body this summer on keto diet and the 
hills are still tough. But 22lb Roadeo makes it way easier than 25lb Ram and 
27lb Sam and 27lb Bleriot.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[PG]

(This is group is sophisticated enough to understand there's a lot more 
going on than the objective weight of a bike. So bear with me. I know I'm 
preaching to the choir...)

I had two interesting experiences about 10 years ago regarding bike 
weight...and both happened at the end of the same ride.

I pulled into the lot where I was parked on my Rambouillet. I had just 
finished an 80 mile ride, and was tired and happy. When I dismounted, I 
rolled my bike over to car and hoisted it up into the back of my van. I was 
shocked how heavy it felt. I realized that because the bike was so balanced 
weight-wise and handling-wise, it felt light as a feather as I rode, even 
after 80 miles. It was at that moment that I stopped thinking about bike 
weight.

A few minutes later a friend, who was a bike racer, came driving up and got 
out of his car. He asked if he could ride my bike amount the lot for a 
minutes. He wanted to see what a leather saddle felt like. Before he 
mounted, he gave the frame a quick lift to check the weight, and was 
utterly horrified. 

Long story short, after riding around the lot for a while, he was grinning 
from ear to ear. Ten years later, he subscribes to BQ, rides a touring 
frame, and swears he has more fun than he ever did back in his weight 
weenie racer days.






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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

My 53 Roadeo is 22.9lbs. No fenders/racks-only dyno lights.
My 54 blue Rambouillet is 25.4 lbs. berthoud fenders and dyno lights.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Bill Schairer]

My Atlantis ~38 lbs ready to go out the door on an errand.  More for 
panniers if a marketing run or some such errand.

Bill

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 8:25:33 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>
> My Toyo Atlantis weight is 30.1 lbs., with no tools or bottles, but with a 
> rear Nitto rack, front Nitto M-12 rack, half frame bag, top tube bag and 
> kickstand. No fenders. 
>
> Build: 
>
> Sram XX1 single ring gruppo including crankset
> Paul V-brakes
> Son front hub with beefed up, 'armored' Luxo-U light
> WTB original dirt drop handlebars. 
> Nitto dirt drop stem
> Selle Anatomica leather saddle
> USE suspension seatpost
> SON front hub
> DT swiss rear hub and rims
> Custom shifter mount for the mountain bike shifter for use on drop bars
>
> Clayton Bailey
> #Dirtdance 
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My Toyo Atlantis weight is 30.1 lbs., with no tools or bottles, but with a 
rear Nitto rack, front Nitto M-12 rack, half frame bag, top tube bag and 
kickstand. No fenders. 

Build: 

Sram XX1 single ring gruppo including crankset
Paul V-brakes
Son front hub with beefed up, 'armored' Luxo-U light
WTB original dirt drop handlebars. 
Nitto dirt drop stem
Selle Anatomica leather saddle
USE suspension seatpost
SON front hub
DT swiss rear hub and rims
Custom shifter mount for the mountain bike shifter for use on drop bars

Clayton Bailey
#Dirtdance 

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My Toyo Atlantis weighs 30.1 lbs, with a half frame bag, top tube bag, rear 
Nitto medium rack, small Nitto rack up front and a suspension seat post 
with a Selle Anatomica leather saddle. No tools or bottles. My son gave me 
a Sram XX1 single ring drive train which help shed some weight. I also 
bought a XX1 Carbon crankset. 

Build:

XX1 gruppo including crankset
Paul V-brakes
USE carbon fiber suspension seatpost
Dt swiss rear hub 
Son front generator hub
Luxo-U (that I armorized)
Dt swiss rims, 32 spoke
Compass Rat trap tires
Original WTB dirtdrop handlebar
Nitto dirtdrop stem
San Anatomica saddle



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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[GAJett]

樂Sounds like that's complete with motor
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Carla Waugh]

Sam with Brooks and a Riv build and fenders is 31.2

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Philip Kim]

Joe Appaloosa 51cm

Velocity Dyad 650b wheelset 32h db spokes, shutter precision front, 
velocity lightweight ATB rear hub, 650bx42mm paselas
Schmidt edelux 2
Custom demiporteur rack from orc
Nitto Tallux with HT Boscos
Paul V-brake levers
WI crankset 40/26, WI stainless steel bb
Thomson seatpost
Brooks B17 titanium
Wald basket with cargo net
NOS XT cassette 11-32
XT RD, XT FD
Paul Motolite Brakes

Just a little over 28lb

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Brian Campbell]

My 61cm AHH 26.2lbs (hanging digital scale)

61cm Frame
32/32 Ultegra Hub/ Open Pro Wheel set
12-30 10 speed cassette
Ultegra Long cage RD
Shimano FX70 FD
IRD Bar end Shifters w/ riv pods
46cm Noodle Bars 
9cm Nitto Pearl stem
Thomson Elite seatpost
Brooks Ti b17 special
Late 80's Shinano XT crankset w/TA rings 46/36/26
Compass Barlow Pass Tires EL
VO 50mm snakeskin fenders
Schmidt Edelux headlight
Velo Lumino tailight

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Reed Kennedy]

My 62cm Hunqapillar weighs between 33 and 36 lbs, depending on rack,
wheelset, tires.

Lightest configuration is like this, but with 38mm Compass Barlow Pass
tires: https://goo.gl/photos/wcx2zxSLPC8kDdbC6
(Counting the rack and basket, not counting the lock, bags, tools.)
Oh, here's one with the right tires: https://goo.gl/photos/zoafhFJTGJ2Y9Yes8

Heaviest config is with a Nitto 27F rack on the front and 2.35 inch
Schwalbe Big One tires. Here's the right rack, but not the right tires:
https://goo.gl/photos/xYYFk7gsqhypQvU17
https://goo.gl/photos/uGkxqdKXQVgxFvBK8

Oh, and one more picture. Just because I really like it:
https://goo.gl/photos/DGV7kM4Cu68TvRkX8


Reed



On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:59 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> That's pretty light for an Atlantis!
>
> Mine:
>
> The '99 Custom 57 c-c: 17.8 lb with "heavy" Dura Ace SPD pedals but no bag
> -- would be 17.5 lb with the Xpedos, so I lose a couple of average miles p
> h for style.
>
> Wheels: Sun M14A 559; 70 gram tubes; Elk Pass tires; Phil hubs, rear with
> 15/17; Revolutions and aluminum nipples
> Phil Ti bb with TA Pro 5 Vis single 46
> KMC 9 speed chain
> Original Tange Rollerball headset
> Dura Ace SP 7400 post, original issue Flite
> Nitto Tech Deluxe cut down for ti bolt, Compass Maes Parallel 38 cm (not
> for weight; I like narrow bars)
> Single Iris cage
> Dura Ace 7400 levers (right to front, left with arm removed) pulling
> single front caliper -- caliper is either Superbe Pro or similar Dia Compe
>
> The '03 Custom 58 c-c: about 25 lb with ss fenders, dynolights, f and rear
> racks, HpX, no bag.
> Same rims, tires, sp, saddle, bb, crank (but 48)
> Original Ultegra headset
> 14/15 Sapims with black nipples for added speed
> M540 pedals
> Nitto Pearl with Maes Parallel 38
> Surly flip flop/SON 20 R + Edeluxe 1 and some sort of rack mount rear
> 17/19 Dingle, no freewheel
> Berthoud 45 mm fenders
> Custom rear and front lowrider ss racks
> 2 Irises
> Dura Ace 7400 brake levers pulling DA EX calipers (these are wonderful
> with fatter fenders)
>
>
> Matthews is about 30 lb fully dressed -- rack, dynolight, fenders, Silca
> Impero, no bag.
> Nice but brand unknown seatpost holding up later issue Flite
> Phil steel 130 bb, 175 Logic double with BB Bashguard, 42/28
> Rear generic Shimano, front SP disc
> K-Lite front, some German rack mount rear
> Sapims, 32, 14-15 with black nipples on Velocity Blunt SS rims
> Furious Freds tubeless
> BB7 Roads with Jagwire pulled by generic Shimano aero levers
> PowerRatchets pulling SRAM 10 speed chain through Jagwire over 10
> mismatched cogs, 13-28
> Dura Ace 740? front and rear derailleurs; rear has cartridge bearing
> Bullseye pulleys, something I didn't know until someone else pointed it out
> Logic 9 cm stem holding VO 42 cm Maes Parallel and St Christopher medal
> (thanks, Deacon)
> Custom rear rack; ditto front low riders not mounted
> Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, rear a shorty
> M540 pedals (I think; double sided Shimano mountain bike pedals, at any
> rate)
>
>
> Afraid to weigh the Hon Solo, but guessing it's 24-25 lb sans bag and
> seatpost rack.
> Otherwise stock except for:
> TA Pro 5 Vis with 50 t ring
> 14 t rear cog with 16 t bailout, not yet used
> Original issue Flite
> MKS GR-9s with Christophes and leather straps with pads and buttons (for
> speed, of course)
> Bar mast extender
> Original model Moustache bar
> Kojaks, folding
> Single Profile cage
> 8 speed era 105 levers, right pulling OEM caliper, left sans lever proper
> Sanyo bb generator with modern plastic headlamp, battery tail light
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Belopsky 
> wrote:
>
>> Bumping this old thread:
>>
>> Weighed my 56cm Riv Atlantis (Toyo build, if it matters)
>>
>> *24.6lbs *w/ the Mavic Crossmax and RTP tires and no weight-saving parts
>> taken into consideration. I built it up as my gravel/dirt bike. Would be
>> nice to get it lighter but this is good enough. Might try tubeless ;)
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[William deRosset]

My Heron Touring (55cm but rides like a 57 or 58) comes in at around 28lb 
including front and rear racks, fenders, lights, wire-bead 35mm tires, BOB 
trailer mount, etc.It is a mutt, has been set up a few different ways, and 
lives in VT, so a build list would be approximate.

Best,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 8:04:06 PM UTC-6, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> I'll play: my stock Joe Appaloosa 55 with R14 top rack, large saddlesack 
> (and various daily items), frame pump, mystery-brand Albatross clones and 
> 29x2.1 Smart Sams weighs in at 36.6 pounds. 
>
> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 at 3:04:20 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
>> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
>> weigh.
>>  
>> Would be informative to know:
>> 1. Model
>> 2. Framesize
>> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
>> (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
>> dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
>> bags/bottles on board, please).
>> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see 
>> what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and 
>> not expected.
>>  
>> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>>  
>> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
>> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
>> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Jim M.]

But I think I can get it down to 269 with a carbon fiber crank.

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:11:10 AM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>
> My Bombadil weighs about 270 pounds on the road.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek
>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Jim M.]

My Bombadil weighs about 270 pounds on the road.

jim m
walnut creek

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 7:59:18 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That's pretty light for an Atlantis!
>
> Mine:
>
> The '99 Custom 57 c-c: 17.8 lb with "heavy" Dura Ace SPD pedals but no bag 
> -- would be 17.5 lb with the Xpedos, so I lose a couple of average miles p 
> h for style. 
>
> Wheels: Sun M14A 559; 70 gram tubes; Elk Pass tires; Phil hubs, rear with 
> 15/17; Revolutions and aluminum nipples
> Phil Ti bb with TA Pro 5 Vis single 46
> KMC 9 speed chain
> Original Tange Rollerball headset
> Dura Ace SP 7400 post, original issue Flite
> Nitto Tech Deluxe cut down for ti bolt, Compass Maes Parallel 38 cm (not 
> for weight; I like narrow bars)
> Single Iris cage
> Dura Ace 7400 levers (right to front, left with arm removed) pulling 
> single front caliper -- caliper is either Superbe Pro or similar Dia Compe
>
> The '03 Custom 58 c-c: about 25 lb with ss fenders, dynolights, f and rear 
> racks, HpX, no bag.
> Same rims, tires, sp, saddle, bb, crank (but 48)
> Original Ultegra headset
> 14/15 Sapims with black nipples for added speed
> M540 pedals
> Nitto Pearl with Maes Parallel 38
> Surly flip flop/SON 20 R + Edeluxe 1 and some sort of rack mount rear
> 17/19 Dingle, no freewheel
> Berthoud 45 mm fenders
> Custom rear and front lowrider ss racks
> 2 Irises
> Dura Ace 7400 brake levers pulling DA EX calipers (these are wonderful 
> with fatter fenders)
>
>
> Matthews is about 30 lb fully dressed -- rack, dynolight, fenders, Silca 
> Impero, no bag.
> Nice but brand unknown seatpost holding up later issue Flite
> Phil steel 130 bb, 175 Logic double with BB Bashguard, 42/28
> Rear generic Shimano, front SP disc
> K-Lite front, some German rack mount rear
> Sapims, 32, 14-15 with black nipples on Velocity Blunt SS rims
> Furious Freds tubeless
> BB7 Roads with Jagwire pulled by generic Shimano aero levers
> PowerRatchets pulling SRAM 10 speed chain through Jagwire over 10 
> mismatched cogs, 13-28
> Dura Ace 740? front and rear derailleurs; rear has cartridge bearing 
> Bullseye pulleys, something I didn't know until someone else pointed it out
> Logic 9 cm stem holding VO 42 cm Maes Parallel and St Christopher medal 
> (thanks, Deacon)
> Custom rear rack; ditto front low riders not mounted
> Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, rear a shorty
> M540 pedals (I think; double sided Shimano mountain bike pedals, at any 
> rate)
>
>
> Afraid to weigh the Hon Solo, but guessing it's 24-25 lb sans bag and 
> seatpost rack.
> Otherwise stock except for:
> TA Pro 5 Vis with 50 t ring
> 14 t rear cog with 16 t bailout, not yet used
> Original issue Flite
> MKS GR-9s with Christophes and leather straps with pads and buttons (for 
> speed, of course)
> Bar mast extender
> Original model Moustache bar
> Kojaks, folding
> Single Profile cage
> 8 speed era 105 levers, right pulling OEM caliper, left sans lever proper
> Sanyo bb generator with modern plastic headlamp, battery tail light
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Belopsky  > wrote:
>
>> Bumping this old thread:
>>
>> Weighed my 56cm Riv Atlantis (Toyo build, if it matters)
>>
>> *24.6lbs *w/ the Mavic Crossmax and RTP tires and no weight-saving parts 
>> taken into consideration. I built it up as my gravel/dirt bike. Would be 
>> nice to get it lighter but this is good enough. Might try tubeless ;)
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

That's pretty light for an Atlantis!

Mine:

The '99 Custom 57 c-c: 17.8 lb with "heavy" Dura Ace SPD pedals but no bag
-- would be 17.5 lb with the Xpedos, so I lose a couple of average miles p
h for style.

Wheels: Sun M14A 559; 70 gram tubes; Elk Pass tires; Phil hubs, rear with
15/17; Revolutions and aluminum nipples
Phil Ti bb with TA Pro 5 Vis single 46
KMC 9 speed chain
Original Tange Rollerball headset
Dura Ace SP 7400 post, original issue Flite
Nitto Tech Deluxe cut down for ti bolt, Compass Maes Parallel 38 cm (not
for weight; I like narrow bars)
Single Iris cage
Dura Ace 7400 levers (right to front, left with arm removed) pulling single
front caliper -- caliper is either Superbe Pro or similar Dia Compe

The '03 Custom 58 c-c: about 25 lb with ss fenders, dynolights, f and rear
racks, HpX, no bag.
Same rims, tires, sp, saddle, bb, crank (but 48)
Original Ultegra headset
14/15 Sapims with black nipples for added speed
M540 pedals
Nitto Pearl with Maes Parallel 38
Surly flip flop/SON 20 R + Edeluxe 1 and some sort of rack mount rear
17/19 Dingle, no freewheel
Berthoud 45 mm fenders
Custom rear and front lowrider ss racks
2 Irises
Dura Ace 7400 brake levers pulling DA EX calipers (these are wonderful with
fatter fenders)


Matthews is about 30 lb fully dressed -- rack, dynolight, fenders, Silca
Impero, no bag.
Nice but brand unknown seatpost holding up later issue Flite
Phil steel 130 bb, 175 Logic double with BB Bashguard, 42/28
Rear generic Shimano, front SP disc
K-Lite front, some German rack mount rear
Sapims, 32, 14-15 with black nipples on Velocity Blunt SS rims
Furious Freds tubeless
BB7 Roads with Jagwire pulled by generic Shimano aero levers
PowerRatchets pulling SRAM 10 speed chain through Jagwire over 10
mismatched cogs, 13-28
Dura Ace 740? front and rear derailleurs; rear has cartridge bearing
Bullseye pulleys, something I didn't know until someone else pointed it out
Logic 9 cm stem holding VO 42 cm Maes Parallel and St Christopher medal
(thanks, Deacon)
Custom rear rack; ditto front low riders not mounted
Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, rear a shorty
M540 pedals (I think; double sided Shimano mountain bike pedals, at any
rate)


Afraid to weigh the Hon Solo, but guessing it's 24-25 lb sans bag and
seatpost rack.
Otherwise stock except for:
TA Pro 5 Vis with 50 t ring
14 t rear cog with 16 t bailout, not yet used
Original issue Flite
MKS GR-9s with Christophes and leather straps with pads and buttons (for
speed, of course)
Bar mast extender
Original model Moustache bar
Kojaks, folding
Single Profile cage
8 speed era 105 levers, right pulling OEM caliper, left sans lever proper
Sanyo bb generator with modern plastic headlamp, battery tail light



On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Bumping this old thread:
>
> Weighed my 56cm Riv Atlantis (Toyo build, if it matters)
>
> *24.6lbs *w/ the Mavic Crossmax and RTP tires and no weight-saving parts
> taken into consideration. I built it up as my gravel/dirt bike. Would be
> nice to get it lighter but this is good enough. Might try tubeless ;)
>
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Stuart Lovinggood]

I'll play: my stock Joe Appaloosa 55 with R14 top rack, large saddlesack 
(and various daily items), frame pump, mystery-brand Albatross clones and 
29x2.1 Smart Sams weighs in at 36.6 pounds. 

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 at 3:04:20 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
> weigh.
>  
> Would be informative to know:
> 1. Model
> 2. Framesize
> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
> (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
> dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
> bags/bottles on board, please).
> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
> everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
> expected.
>  
> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>  
> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Belopsky]

Bumping this old thread:

Weighed my 56cm Riv Atlantis (Toyo build, if it matters)

*24.6lbs *w/ the Mavic Crossmax and RTP tires and no weight-saving parts 
taken into consideration. I built it up as my gravel/dirt bike. Would be 
nice to get it lighter but this is good enough. Might try tubeless ;)

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Montclair BobbyB]

I agree with Andy the Wise...  It's all about bringing enough bike to the 
ride Perfect. 

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[DS]

Finally got around to this:

48cm Hunqapillar w/ 2.1 smart sams, standard build kit w/ albastache bars, 
front nitto mini rack, and 2 water bottle cages (without water bottles): 
28.4 lbs
55cm Cheviot with standard build kit, shimano dynohub, luxos b light, nitto 
mini front rack, pletscher rear rack, dyno tail light, water bottle cage, 
walde medium basket, bell, sks fenders - 38 lbs. 42 lbs with lock and 
sackville shopsack 

Also, for comparison, Gunnar sport with front nitto mini rack, 2x9 shimano 
105 drivetrain (brifters), 2 water bottle cages (empty) - 23 lbs

I have to say, i love the cheviot, its new, but hauling a 40 lb bike up and 
down steps and through a tight storage area that needs me to basically 
almost lift it up over my head to get out, and then up and down the BART 
stairs is a huge pain in the ass. I may need to balance it out with some 
sub 20 lb fixie bike with zero attachments.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
 weigh.
  
 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
 (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
 dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
 bags/bottles on board, please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
 everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
 expected.
  
 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
  
 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
 Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
 a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

Weight! Weight! Weight! Sounds like my (skinny and tall) 13-year-old
daughter (alas).

I just weighed my Fargo: just under 33 lb with at-least-3-lb saddlebag and
contents; this is the off road equivalent of a 58 cm frame. All bolt on
accessories, which for this one amounts to 4 nylon bottle cages and clip on
light mounts. (Lights clip on; mounts bolt or strap on.)

Gofast: weighed sans bag: 17.24 lb; the same digital suitcase scale very
nicely took off .24 lb since the last time I weighed it and I hope for
further reductions. All bolt-on accessories.

Didn't weight the Ram or the commuter, but guess ~25 lb and ~23 lb, no bags
but with lights and all bolt on accessories.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:33 PM, DS davecst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Finally got around to this:

 48cm Hunqapillar w/ 2.1 smart sams, standard build kit w/ albastache bars,
 front nitto mini rack, and 2 water bottle cages (without water bottles):
 28.4 lbs
 55cm Cheviot with standard build kit, shimano dynohub, luxos b light,
 nitto mini front rack, pletscher rear rack, dyno tail light, water bottle
 cage, walde medium basket, bell, sks fenders - 38 lbs. 42 lbs with lock and
 sackville shopsack

 Also, for comparison, Gunnar sport with front nitto mini rack, 2x9 shimano
 105 drivetrain (brifters), 2 water bottle cages (empty) - 23 lbs

 I have to say, i love the cheviot, its new, but hauling a 40 lb bike up
 and down steps and through a tight storage area that needs me to basically
 almost lift it up over my head to get out, and then up and down the BART
 stairs is a huge pain in the ass. I may need to balance it out with some
 sub 20 lb fixie bike with zero attachments.

 On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
 weigh.

 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
 fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells
 is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete
 build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
 what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
 not expected.

 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.

 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for
 Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on
 a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.


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  * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
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Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
* Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[shawn m.]

I get the 'how much does it weigh? question a lot from guys riding 
Cervelos for some reason. My answer is always the same: lift with your 
knees... My 54cm Hunqapillar is racked and fendered and basketed with a 
large saddlesack, so it's in the same ballpark as the others here have 
mentioned, but I don't actually know. When I had my Hillborne, I was 
killing time before a catching a train at my friend's bike shop. He 
couldn't help himself, had to weigh it, fully loaded for a tour. 71 pounds 
of bike and gear. No big deal. :)

On Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:42:47 PM UTC-7, Benedikt wrote:

 35 - 40ish. Depends what I got in the bags. I love taking it on group 
 rides. When the weight weenies see it they freak out. People LOVE that bike.
 - 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/neutralbuoyancy/9454194547/in/set-72157634961282335

 On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
 weigh.
  
 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
 (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
 dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
 bags/bottles on board, please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see 
 what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and 
 not expected.
  
 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
  
 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
 Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
 a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
  



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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

I remembered to weight the Fargo last night -- using a hi tek, $8 Deal
Extreme digital luggage scale: T handle gauge with nylon strap. Removed the
very large Jandd Mountain Wedge (big enough for a change of clothing --
pants and shirt -- if you roll tightly, this in addition to tubes, tools,
and Lezyne), so bare nekkid except for 3 bottle cages. 29.5 lb (actually
varied between 28 and change and 29.7, but more readings in the mid-29
range).

Riv #3 -- 58 cm c-c 559 wheeled fixie --  newly washed, 3 readings: 22.34,
22.63, 22.7 for average of 22.56 lb with lights, HpX, 2 Irises, and half
full medium sized Ruthworks wedge with 2 tubes and various small tools --
surprised me at how light it is.

#2 gofast (57 c-c fixed, one bottle cage) steady at 17.75.

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  * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
* Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[stonehog]

I have two Rivs and weighed them in at normal running weight with 
tools/bags/pump included.

The first one up is my grey/maroon Hunqapillar - 54cm = *39 lbs*
Includes full racks/basket/bag for camping:

1. Tubus Cosmo rear rack
2. Haulin' Colin front rack (custom)
3. large Wald basket
4. Medium Sackville with tools
5. Brooks B17 w/Nitto S83 seatpost
6. XD600 double
7. Thin Gripsters
8. Albastache w/Nitto Dirt Drop 10cm stem
9. Bell, frame pump, 3 bottle cages
10. Sykes wood fenders
11. Velocity Synergy rims
12. Clemente X'plor MSO tires
13. Schmidt 28 Dyno, BM Cyo IQ light and tailight
14. kickstand

Next up - '09 A. Homer Hilsen - 59cm = *29 lbs*

Rando setup:

1. Swift Industries Paloma handlebar bag
2. Honjo hammered 45mm fenders
3. Rene Herse crank
4. Thin Gripsters
5. XS Sackville tool bag with tools
6. Velocity A23s rims
7. Jack Brown Greens
8. Selle Anatomica saddle with Thompson seatpost
9. Nitto Noodle 42cm with Nitto 10cm lugged stem
10. Bell, frame pump, and 3 bottle cages
11. Schmidt dyno hub and Edelux and BM taillight
13. kickstand

For what it's worth, I also weight the current rando bike, my 57cm Velo 
Routier (Cycle Toussaint) with a very similar build and size to the Homer, 
and it came in 1 lb heavier at *30 lbs*.  The build differences on the 
Toussaint are: 

1. 650b - Hetre ELs
2. Acorn Tall Boxy Rando bag with tools
3. Speedplay Frog pedals
4. Berthoud 50mm steel fenders
5. Pacenti PL23 rims

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
 weigh.
  
 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
 (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
 dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
 bags/bottles on board, please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
 everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
 expected.
  
 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
  
 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
 Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
 a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Don Compton]

Patrick,
For some reason, I thought you owned a Ram.

On Friday, August 15, 2014 4:10:50 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I remembered to weight the Fargo last night -- using a hi tek, $8 Deal 
 Extreme digital luggage scale: T handle gauge with nylon strap. Removed the 
 very large Jandd Mountain Wedge (big enough for a change of clothing -- 
 pants and shirt -- if you roll tightly, this in addition to tubes, tools, 
 and Lezyne), so bare nekkid except for 3 bottle cages. 29.5 lb (actually 
 varied between 28 and change and 29.7, but more readings in the mid-29 
 range).

 Riv #3 -- 58 cm c-c 559 wheeled fixie --  newly washed, 3 readings: 22.34, 
 22.63, 22.7 for average of 22.56 lb with lights, HpX, 2 Irises, and half 
 full medium sized Ruthworks wedge with 2 tubes and various small tools -- 
 surprised me at how light it is.

 #2 gofast (57 c-c fixed, one bottle cage) steady at 17.75.

 Ram at Mom's.




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 *
   * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to 
 never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from 
 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to 
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
 in your time and your body can they be?*
  * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. 
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of 
 you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Bertin753]

Ram at Mom's!

Patrick Moore
iPhone

 On Aug 15, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Don Compton dpco...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Patrick,
 For some reason, I thought you owned a Ram.
 
 On Friday, August 15, 2014 4:10:50 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 I remembered to weight the Fargo last night -- using a hi tek, $8 Deal 
 Extreme digital luggage scale: T handle gauge with nylon strap. Removed the 
 very large Jandd Mountain Wedge (big enough for a change of clothing -- 
 pants and shirt -- if you roll tightly, this in addition to tubes, tools, 
 and Lezyne), so bare nekkid except for 3 bottle cages. 29.5 lb (actually 
 varied between 28 and change and 29.7, but more readings in the mid-29 
 range).
 
 Riv #3 -- 58 cm c-c 559 wheeled fixie --  newly washed, 3 readings: 22.34, 
 22.63, 22.7 for average of 22.56 lb with lights, HpX, 2 Irises, and half 
 full medium sized Ruthworks wedge with 2 tubes and various small tools -- 
 surprised me at how light it is.
 
 #2 gofast (57 c-c fixed, one bottle cage) steady at 17.75.
 
 Ram at Mom's.
 
 
 
 
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 *
  Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never 
 was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. 
 Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
  Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to 
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
 in your time and your body can they be?
   Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. 
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of 
 you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood  
 
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Edwin W]

Finally got around to weighing my 60cm Sam.
36 pounds

Build
Sugino 26/40/bashguard crank
Sneaker pedals
Mark's front rack
Wald medium basket with bungee net and a spare irish strap
Longboard fenders
Brooks B17
Nitto seatpost
Nitto stem (pearl?) 11cm
Albas
CR18 rims with 36 spokes
Novatech cheapie dynamo upfront, iq fly light in front, topline brake plus 
in back
LX hub in back
8 speed cassette
2 king cages
Public spring loaded rack in back

*Major *weight savings from:
Orange paint - scientifically proven to be faster and lighter
Single top tube
No front derailer

Not too light, not too heavy, in my book,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Benedikt]

35 - 40ish. Depends what I got in the bags. I love taking it on group 
rides. When the weight weenies see it they freak out. People LOVE that bike.
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On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
 weigh.
  
 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
 (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
 dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
 bags/bottles on board, please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
 everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
 expected.
  
 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
  
 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
 Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
 a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Philip Williamson]

Bags, my friend. Never weigh them!

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Tony DeFilippo]

I was pretty surprised about the commuting load weight to!  But that does 
include a full set of work clothes, tools, rain jacket, u luck, cable and of 
course two canvas bags.  Good thing I took out the laptop that I only 
occasionally have onboard of the number would have been really shocking!   :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Tony DeFilippo]

I was pretty surprised about the commuting load weight to!  But that does 
include a full set of work clothes, tools, rain jacket, u luck, cable and of 
course two canvas bags.  Good thing I took out the laptop that I only 
occasionally have onboard of the number would have been really shocking!   :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[AD]

I have a 20.5 lbs SimpleOne with magnesium bottom bracket, Brooks titanium, 
Paul levers and cantis, JB greens, Phil 36h (can probably drop some weight with 
32 WI), cut Nitto seatpost.  

Minimizing the weight was just for kicks as the bike is regulated to family 
rides on the Iron Horse trail. 

AD

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Philip Williamson]

Oh! I've been lapped in the singlespeed weight-weenie race!

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:34:29 PM UTC-7, AD wrote:


 I have a 20.5 lbs SimpleOne with magnesium bottom bracket, Brooks 
 titanium, Paul levers and cantis, JB greens, Phil 36h (can probably drop 
 some weight with 32 WI), cut Nitto seatpost.  

 Minimizing the weight was just for kicks as the bike is regulated to 
 family rides on the Iron Horse trail. 

 AD



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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[lungimsam]

 
...still waiting for Jan Heine and Grant Petersen  company to chime in on 
this...c'mon now y'all...join in on the fun...

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Bill Lindsay]

Don't hold your breath.  Jan doesn't ride a Rivendell (even though he still 
owns one), and Jan knows that bike weight doesn't matter anywhere near as 
much as people think.  Grant also knows that handwringing over bike weight 
is a pointless exercise.  He doesn't know what his bike(s) weigh, doesn't 
care, knows it doesn't matter, and is busy doing things that are less 
pointless to him than weighing his bike(s).  

Me though, I don't mind being pointless.  I weighed my road bike.  My 
budget Roadeo: 

Frameset:  Black Mountain Cycles 59cm, cane creek threadless headset

wheels:  Open pro 32 hole, ultegra rear, WTB front, vintage Dura Ace 
skewers, 12-25 9sp cassette, 700x32 challenge Eroica tires

drivetrain:  White Ind VBC cranks 44/30, White steel BB, Ultegra SPDs, Dura 
Ace F+R ders, DT shifters, SRAM chain

components:  flite saddle, ritchey alloy seatpost, noodle bars, civia 
bryant stem, Dia compe 610 centerpull brakes, paul funky monkey hangers, 
tektro levers, newbaums tape

extras:  alloy crane bell, gran compe ciclo ENE front rack, two king cages 

23.5lbs

On Friday, August 8, 2014 1:40:51 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

  
 ...still waiting for Jan Heine and Grant Petersen  company to chime in on 
 this...c'mon now y'all...join in on the fun...


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Chris Chen]

do you want me to weigh it with or without the two racks of ribs? or the
melon?


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Don't hold your breath.  Jan doesn't ride a Rivendell (even though he
 still owns one), and Jan knows that bike weight doesn't matter anywhere
 near as much as people think.  Grant also knows that handwringing over bike
 weight is a pointless exercise.  He doesn't know what his bike(s) weigh,
 doesn't care, knows it doesn't matter, and is busy doing things that are
 less pointless to him than weighing his bike(s).

 Me though, I don't mind being pointless.  I weighed my road bike.  My
 budget Roadeo:

 Frameset:  Black Mountain Cycles 59cm, cane creek threadless headset

 wheels:  Open pro 32 hole, ultegra rear, WTB front, vintage Dura Ace
 skewers, 12-25 9sp cassette, 700x32 challenge Eroica tires

 drivetrain:  White Ind VBC cranks 44/30, White steel BB, Ultegra SPDs,
 Dura Ace F+R ders, DT shifters, SRAM chain

 components:  flite saddle, ritchey alloy seatpost, noodle bars, civia
 bryant stem, Dia compe 610 centerpull brakes, paul funky monkey hangers,
 tektro levers, newbaums tape

 extras:  alloy crane bell, gran compe ciclo ENE front rack, two king cages

 23.5lbs


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 on this...c'mon now y'all...join in on the fun...

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Cecily Walker]

I think Kelly wins for the heaviest bike.

On Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:54:18 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:

 My Bombadil while touring... 110 lbs.

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/9018162182/in/set-72157633975989097

 Kelly

 On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:04:20 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
 weigh.
  
 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
 (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
 dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
 bags/bottles on board, please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see 
 what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and 
 not expected.
  
 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
  
 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
 Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
 a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
  



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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[ted]

Since I'm not doing anything with a point this evening anyway 
Ridable bikes on hand minus anything not bolted or zip tied on:

~53cm Gios road race bike, ~19.5 lbs (circa '80 weight weeny-ish steel w/ 
mostly current parts for ref)
mostly campi 10sp ergo, cane creek weight weeny brakes, Ritchey wcs bars, 
syncros quill stem, ti rail selle italia turbo, suntour superbe pro post, 
speedplay x pedals, 1 ac cage, 1 arundel sport cage.

56cm AHH ~23.0 lbs
32h lx/synergy wheels w/ soma GR green tires, xcd rd, old nr fd, shim 9sp 
dt shifters, rh cranks, misc cartridge bb, frog pedals, nitto stem  dream 
bars, old dia-comp areo levers, 559 brakes, s83 post, ti rail san marco 
rolls w/ kludged brass rail bag loop substitute, 2 king cages, 1 nitto tire 
cage

52cm Sam Hillborne ~25.6 lbs
32h lx/synergy wheels w/ non force field rumpkin tires, stndrd RBW most 
everywhere, lugged nitto post, b17., sneaker pedals, albatross bars, 1 king 
cage

56cm SimpleOne ~28.2 bs
son front hub, vo fixed/free rear, vo pbp rims, jack brown green tires, 
superbe pro track crank, phil bb, lyotard mb pedals w/ clips n straps, 
nitto stem  rb019 bars, s83 post, selle italia turbo, longboards, nitto 
mini, nitto top, wald med., edelux, bm linetec, pletscher kick stand, 2 
king cages

52 cm Bombadil ~28.8 lbs
32h lx/synergy w/ Quasi-Moto tires, xt rd, cx70 fd, sugino xd2 wide low 
double, very old sugino loose ball bb, mks urban pedals w/ clips n straps, 
cr720 cantis, 9sp shim on paul thumbies, large bullmoose bar, lugged nitto 
post, b17, 3 king cages, pletscher kick stand.

~56/53 long bike ~46.2 lbs (bonus fun bike)
531 super-tourist, RBW fork crown, very RBW build, albatross in front, 
bosco stoker, b17 for both, sneaker pedals, nitto big back rack, nitto mini.

I/we are very pleased with all of em (well the Gios may be too small), but 
that took longer than I thought it would. This weight stuff is indeed 
insidious, and best eschewed. Riding round the block a few times on any one 
of them would have been a much better plan.

On Friday, August 8, 2014 2:41:07 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Don't hold your breath.  Jan doesn't ride a Rivendell (even though he 
 still owns one), and Jan knows that bike weight doesn't matter anywhere 
 near as much as people think.  Grant also knows that handwringing over bike 
 weight is a pointless exercise.  He doesn't know what his bike(s) weigh, 
 doesn't care, knows it doesn't matter, and is busy doing things that are 
 less pointless to him than weighing his bike(s).  

 Me though, I don't mind being pointless.  I weighed my road bike.  My 
 budget Roadeo: 

 Frameset:  Black Mountain Cycles 59cm, cane creek threadless headset

 wheels:  Open pro 32 hole, ultegra rear, WTB front, vintage Dura Ace 
 skewers, 12-25 9sp cassette, 700x32 challenge Eroica tires

 drivetrain:  White Ind VBC cranks 44/30, White steel BB, Ultegra SPDs, 
 Dura Ace F+R ders, DT shifters, SRAM chain

 components:  flite saddle, ritchey alloy seatpost, noodle bars, civia 
 bryant stem, Dia compe 610 centerpull brakes, paul funky monkey hangers, 
 tektro levers, newbaums tape

 extras:  alloy crane bell, gran compe ciclo ENE front rack, two king cages 

 23.5lbs

 On Friday, August 8, 2014 1:40:51 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

  
 ...still waiting for Jan Heine and Grant Petersen  company to chime in 
 on this...c'mon now y'all...join in on the fun...



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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Jason Leach]

I'll chime in:

54cm Quickbeam
170mm cranks 42t with a chainguard
Albatross
Suzue Free/Free wheelset
B17
Mini Front/ wald/ shopsack
Big Back Rack/ canvas panniers
Planet Bike fenders
700x32mm Wire Bead Paselas
bungee chords, two tubes, a few tools

28lbs

Jason
SF,CA



On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote:

 My bike/weight:

 62cm Quickbeam

 Built as follows:

 Front wheel - PJW built Shimano 3N80 Dynamo laced to a Velocity Dyad
 Rear wheel - Rich built Phil double sided single speed hub laced to a
 Velocity A23
 Schwalbe 38mm Marathon Supremes
 SKS P45 fenders
 Cantilever brakes
 Sugino XD cranks, 40, 32 chainrings
 Cane Creek hoods
 MKS track pedals
 Nitto Jaguar seat post
 Fizik saddle
 Nitto Technomic Deluxe 11cm stem
 Nitto Noodle bars
 Nitto mini front rack
 Nitto Platrack
 Slickersack
 Schmidt Edelux dynamo light
 Portland Design Cygolite Hot Shot taillight
 Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit lock

 34.8 pounds

 If we leave out the lock (as I sometimes do riding to Downtown Berkeley),
 the weight is 30.6 pounds.

 We won't talk about the 50 - 60 pounds of groceries in the trailer I pull
 home several times a week.

 Regards,


 Corwin


 On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
 weigh.

 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
 fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells
 is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete
 build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
 what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
 not expected.

 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.

 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for
 Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on
 a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Tom Harrop]

Bill, your complete camping set up weighs significantly less than my 
unladen, unsackvilled Bomba. Good effort, but is it admissible without the 
booze...?

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Bill Lindsay]

Admissable?  Yes.  Is it usable or practical without the booze?  No

On Thursday, August 7, 2014 2:07:58 AM UTC-7, Tom Harrop wrote:

 Bill, your complete camping set up weighs significantly less than my 
 unladen, unsackvilled Bomba. Good effort, but is it admissible without the 
 booze...?


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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Kelly]

My Bombadil while touring... 110 lbs.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/9018162182/in/set-72157633975989097

Kelly

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:04:20 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
 weigh.
  
 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
 (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
 dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
 bags/bottles on board, please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
 everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
 expected.
  
 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
  
 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
 Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
 a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Philip Williamson]

So I have the lightest Quickbeam so far? 
Woot! 

Cryptoweightweenie,
Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Thursday, August 7, 2014 12:17:54 AM UTC-7, Jason Leach wrote:

 I'll chime in:

 54cm Quickbeam
 170mm cranks 42t with a chainguard
 Albatross
 Suzue Free/Free wheelset
 B17
 Mini Front/ wald/ shopsack
 Big Back Rack/ canvas panniers 
 Planet Bike fenders
 700x32mm Wire Bead Paselas
 bungee chords, two tubes, a few tools

 28lbs

 Jason
 SF,CA
  


 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Corwin ern...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 My bike/weight:

 62cm Quickbeam

 Built as follows:

 Front wheel - PJW built Shimano 3N80 Dynamo laced to a Velocity Dyad
 Rear wheel - Rich built Phil double sided single speed hub laced to a 
 Velocity A23
 Schwalbe 38mm Marathon Supremes
 SKS P45 fenders
 Cantilever brakes
 Sugino XD cranks, 40, 32 chainrings
 Cane Creek hoods
 MKS track pedals
 Nitto Jaguar seat post
 Fizik saddle
 Nitto Technomic Deluxe 11cm stem
 Nitto Noodle bars
 Nitto mini front rack
 Nitto Platrack
 Slickersack
 Schmidt Edelux dynamo light
 Portland Design Cygolite Hot Shot taillight
 Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit lock

 34.8 pounds

 If we leave out the lock (as I sometimes do riding to Downtown Berkeley), 
 the weight is 30.6 pounds.

 We won't talk about the 50 - 60 pounds of groceries in the trailer I pull 
 home several times a week.

 Regards,


 Corwin


 On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
 weigh.
  
 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
 fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells 
 is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete 
 build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see 
 what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and 
 not expected.
  
 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
  
 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
 Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
 a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Five pounds lighter than my Q Phillip. You're killing me here! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Dave @ Riv]

That guy on the HILSEN was our very own riv Jared!
Flyin.

On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 3:26:12 PM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote:


 On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:39:54 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 IIRC, my errand custom fixie is ~23 lb without fenders but with rack, 
 dyno lights, cages. The gofast is 17 3/4 lb. The Fargo IIRC is ~30 lb: it 
 may be 28 or it may be 31, I forget. Again, all ready to ride with all bolt 
 on parts except fenders but no bags or bottles. 

  
 Ha, you guys are a bunch of weight weenies!  :)  On Sunday, both buddy and 
 I were riding our carbon bikes climbing out of Sausalito towards the 
 bridge. His bike is the latest 2014 Trek Madone with ultegra di2, probably 
 weighs about 16 or so pounds. I'm on my tank calfee that weighs in at 
 18+lbs. As we were cruising up the first hill out of Sausalito, this guy 
 on a Hillborne blows past us. He had massive amounts of tattoos on both is 
 legs and arm and had a big Nelson type saddle bag. He was flying up the 
 hill pass us and I couldn't see anything else on his bike like whether it 
 had a double toptube or not. Needless to say, his bike was probably heavier 
 than both our bikes, but that in no way stopped him from flying up the 
 hill! 

 And my bars are 3 cm below saddle for the Maes Paralells (shallow drop), 
 perhaps 2 1/2 cm for the Noodles; 2 cm above for the Fargo.



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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Tony DeFilippo]

1. Saluki
2. 60cm
3. 28 lbs, 42 lbs at full commuting load

1. XO-3 (1993, 26), single speed
2. 59cm
3. 27 lbs.

I would have figured the XO to be a couple lbs lighter but I have some 
junky Kenda 1.95 tires and a B67 saddle that probably account for a pound 
or two of weight delta just there.  I believe my 650B converted, 531C 
framed Trek was right around 32lbs racked and fendered.  I'll have to come 
back to this once I receive my new-to-me rSOGN and build it up!
 
 

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[John Stowe]

58cm Sam Hillborne: 41 lb including pump and tool bag which are always on 
the bike; normally I ride with 5.9 lb. of locks and some water as well, so 
call it 48 lb. Then add my laptop bag with everyday carrying-around stuff, 
so call it 55 lb. for a regular commute. Then stuff the same bag with 
diapers, wipes and baby snacks, and 5 lb. of baby seat, and 27+++ lb. of 
baby, and you're up in the 90 lb. range. Oh wait, we stopped for groceries, a 
gallon of milk weighs 8.7 lb 
http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/above-amp-beyond-milk-run-17501799/?all...
 
are we still counting grams on the bike?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-O-ILsEAwl3c/U-I2cRhFQmI/Bf8/Qk6ICnIKEDs/s1600/14380834300_b3047796cf_o+%281%29.jpg
Yep, the Sam Hillborne is a do everything bike!

Mostly complete build list:
58cm Sam Hillborne (DTT), stock headset, seatpost, bottom bracket
Wheels: SON and WI hubs, Dyad rims, Schwalbe Delta Cruiser 700cx35
Drivetrain: Sneaker pedals, Sugino triple 175mm, Shimano 9sp 
chain/cassette, Shimano something road triple FD, Deore LX RapidRise RD
Brakes: Tektro R559
Cockpit: Bosco Bullmoose bars, Miesha's grips, Shimano MTB levers and 
bar-end shifters, bracket for the baby seat
Saddle: Brooks B17 Natural
Racks: Pass  Stow front, Tubus Cosmo rear (with some bungies/straps living 
on them, just in case)
Lights: BM IQ CYO front, Toplight Line Brake rear, Planet Bike Superflash 
for backup/extra viz. in the rear
Fenders: VO stainless steel 45mm, Sackville mudflaps (missing one at the 
moment, so add a few oz. I guess)
Kickstand: Pletscher twin-legger (tossed the rubber feet a few days ago, 
because the legs had punched through the bottom)
Topeak frame pump, Acorn tool roll with assorted tools, Carradice Bike 
Bureau



On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
 weigh.
  
 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
 (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
 dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
 bags/bottles on board, please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
 everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
 expected.
  
 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
  
 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
 Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
 a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Chris Chen]

You mean 27+++ lb of co-pilot, right? :)


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 7:45 AM, John Stowe stowe.j...@gmail.com wrote:

 58cm Sam Hillborne: 41 lb including pump and tool bag which are always on
 the bike; normally I ride with 5.9 lb. of locks and some water as well, so
 call it 48 lb. Then add my laptop bag with everyday carrying-around stuff,
 so call it 55 lb. for a regular commute. Then stuff the same bag with
 diapers, wipes and baby snacks, and 5 lb. of baby seat, and 27+++ lb. of
 baby, and you're up in the 90 lb. range. Oh wait, we stopped for groceries, a
 gallon of milk weighs 8.7 lb
 http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/above-amp-beyond-milk-run-17501799/?all...
 are we still counting grams on the bike?


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-O-ILsEAwl3c/U-I2cRhFQmI/Bf8/Qk6ICnIKEDs/s1600/14380834300_b3047796cf_o+%281%29.jpg
 Yep, the Sam Hillborne is a do everything bike!

 Mostly complete build list:
 58cm Sam Hillborne (DTT), stock headset, seatpost, bottom bracket
 Wheels: SON and WI hubs, Dyad rims, Schwalbe Delta Cruiser 700cx35
 Drivetrain: Sneaker pedals, Sugino triple 175mm, Shimano 9sp
 chain/cassette, Shimano something road triple FD, Deore LX RapidRise RD
 Brakes: Tektro R559
 Cockpit: Bosco Bullmoose bars, Miesha's grips, Shimano MTB levers and
 bar-end shifters, bracket for the baby seat
 Saddle: Brooks B17 Natural
 Racks: Pass  Stow front, Tubus Cosmo rear (with some bungies/straps
 living on them, just in case)
 Lights: BM IQ CYO front, Toplight Line Brake rear, Planet Bike Superflash
 for backup/extra viz. in the rear
 Fenders: VO stainless steel 45mm, Sackville mudflaps (missing one at the
 moment, so add a few oz. I guess)
 Kickstand: Pletscher twin-legger (tossed the rubber feet a few days ago,
 because the legs had punched through the bottom)
 Topeak frame pump, Acorn tool roll with assorted tools, Carradice Bike
 Bureau



 On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
 weigh.

 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
 fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells
 is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete
 build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
 what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
 not expected.

 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.

 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for
 Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on
 a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Interesting exercise. I weighed mine w bags, pumps, repair/patch kits, lights, 
but with no water bottles, in other words as they would be ridden:
1) Riv Road Custom, 61.5cm, standard build w brifters, Carradice saddlebag, 
28mm tires, 26 lbs.
2) Quickbeam, 60cm, with Nitto M12 front rack w Wald basket, medium sackville 
bag, banana bag,  two freecogs on the flip-flop back, JB tires, 30 lbs (wow!).
3) Legolas, 62cm set up in Rando mode with brifters, Nitto M12-like rack and 
Acorn handlebar bag, Carradice saddlebag, Longboard fenders, dynamo hub  
light, 32mm tires,  31.5 lbs.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

When I had my frame powder coated, I called Riv up for frame decals, but 
the only ones they could provide are the fragile decals that need a clear 
coat, which I didn't want to do. I found an online company that makes 
custom frame decals that you can design yourself. I have forgotten the name 
of the company though. Sorry. I just ordered Riv's Ressurecto stickers and 
might use those on the down tube for Urban anti theft camo. Maybe.

On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 12:04:33 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Clayton, that is EPIC.  Those fierce pannier flair bits are particularly 
 cool.  Tell us about your frame decals?

 On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:59:37 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8hHXOS8apfs/U-EpEAW5TbI/ADA/67rjfKUlDpA/s1600/IMG_1930.JPG

 36.6 Lbs for my Atlantis with fenders, Nitto mini front rack, Tubus front 
 and rear racks, Brooks special, USE suspension seatpost, rear mount 
 kickstand and two (one medium and one small) home made frame bags, and 
 Profile aero bars without the extensions. As shown? Grocery store trip (IT 
 is my car)...probably 85-90 lbs. Thankfully no hills.

 Clayton



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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Bill Lindsay]

Clayton, thanks for that info.  Yeah, I've heard of that decal company, and 
similarly don't recall its name.  Yours definitely are a different font 
than the regular Atlantis font.  They look good though.  

On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:14:26 PM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:

 When I had my frame powder coated, I called Riv up for frame decals, but 
 the only ones they could provide are the fragile decals that need a clear 
 coat, which I didn't want to do. I found an online company that makes 
 custom frame decals that you can design yourself. I have forgotten the name 
 of the company though. Sorry. I just ordered Riv's Ressurecto stickers and 
 might use those on the down tube for Urban anti theft camo. Maybe.

 On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 12:04:33 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Clayton, that is EPIC.  Those fierce pannier flair bits are particularly 
 cool.  Tell us about your frame decals?

 On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:59:37 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8hHXOS8apfs/U-EpEAW5TbI/ADA/67rjfKUlDpA/s1600/IMG_1930.JPG

 36.6 Lbs for my Atlantis with fenders, Nitto mini front rack, Tubus 
 front and rear racks, Brooks special, USE suspension seatpost, rear mount 
 kickstand and two (one medium and one small) home made frame bags, and 
 Profile aero bars without the extensions. As shown? Grocery store trip (IT 
 is my car)...probably 85-90 lbs. Thankfully no hills.

 Clayton



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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

IIRC, my errand custom fixie is ~23 lb without fenders but with rack, dyno
lights, cages. The gofast is 17 3/4 lb. The Fargo IIRC is ~30 lb: it may be
28 or it may be 31, I forget. Again, all ready to ride with all bolt on
parts except fenders but no bags or bottles.

And my bars are 3 cm below saddle for the Maes Paralells (shallow drop),
perhaps 2 1/2 cm for the Noodles; 2 cm above for the Fargo.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[lungimsam]

Is it legal to rebrand a bike? 

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Hudson Doerge' via RBW Owners Bunch]

weighed my simpleone with a bathroom scale, came to just about 30 lbs. with 
tubus vega + medium saddlesack, mini front rack + medium wald basket.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Brewster Fong]

On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:39:54 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 IIRC, my errand custom fixie is ~23 lb without fenders but with rack, dyno 
 lights, cages. The gofast is 17 3/4 lb. The Fargo IIRC is ~30 lb: it may be 
 28 or it may be 31, I forget. Again, all ready to ride with all bolt on 
 parts except fenders but no bags or bottles. 

  
Ha, you guys are a bunch of weight weenies!  :)  On Sunday, both buddy and 
I were riding our carbon bikes climbing out of Sausalito towards the 
bridge. His bike is the latest 2014 Trek Madone with ultegra di2, probably 
weighs about 16 or so pounds. I'm on my tank calfee that weighs in at 
18+lbs. As we were cruising up the first hill out of Sausalito, this guy 
on a Hillborne blows past us. He had massive amounts of tattoos on both is 
legs and arm and had a big Nelson type saddle bag. He was flying up the 
hill pass us and I couldn't see anything else on his bike like whether it 
had a double toptube or not. Needless to say, his bike was probably heavier 
than both our bikes, but that in no way stopped him from flying up the 
hill! 

 And my bars are 3 cm below saddle for the Maes Paralells (shallow drop), 
 perhaps 2 1/2 cm for the Noodles; 2 cm above for the Fargo.


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Bill Lindsay]

  
 Ha, you guys are a bunch of weight weenies!  :)  


There are no weenier weight weenies than the Camping weight weenies, so I 
set up a minimalist S24O kit.  I took my 27 lb double speed (with HA 
Panniers) and added:

Hammock + sleeping bag + VBL + stuffable pillow
stove + pot + utensils + cup + coffee kit + firestarters
parka + skull cap + tights + nighshirt headlamp
can opener beer opener bandana

34.0 lbs with no food and no water, and no whiskey.

I can substitute my solo tent and thermarest for my hammock and add 750g.   

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