Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
CSH Can spec it to resist up to 320 mph winds, maybe more if you have the funds to do it, but that is the highest number I have heard so far. http://customsuperhomes.com/video.wmvMyk Hill--- On Mon 07/04, Nancy Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Nancy Canning [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgDate: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 20:44:32 -0500Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? What about cast earth, and how would it compare to flyash concrete construction? - Original Message - From: Randall To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 5:38 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?Try these links: http://www.papercrete.com/ http://www.rammedearthworks.com/ http://www.deatech.com/cobcottage/ http://www.adobebuilder.com/ http://www.earthship.org/ http://www.touchtheearthranch.com/tirestart.htm --RandyCharlotte, NC - Original Message - From: Josephine Wee To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 3:13 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?Ms. Nancy Canning We are interested in how one builds a house with recycled tires, dirt and stucco. where can I find a website showing this? thanks. - Original Message - From: Nancy Canning To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:51 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?what about recycled tires. filled with dirt, then covered with stucco. Makes a mighty good building and is being used all over the southwest. - Original Message - From: Chris To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:35 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?I just built a utility building using the recycled steel structure by Panasteel, and I didn't have to join a get-rich-quick scheme to do it. Chris KCayce, SC - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:04 PMSubject: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? Have you ever wondered how many trees were killed to build your home ? Go to this link an see how many and what you can do to change that whether it be a garage or a stadium ?http://customsuperhomes.com/mykI would like to make that change for America, after viewing the information signup to send me your information so we can build it together,Myk HillEnvironmental Builder Professionalhttp://customsuperhomes.com/mykPh Fx: 206-600-5632PO Box 291Morrisville, NC 27560 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list
LR fuel lines - was Re: [Biofuel] (no subject)
Hello Alex Hello All Thanks for all the advice in the past. After a year of making Biodiesel and not being able to use it i purchased a 1994 Discovery (at the Right price ) I wanted somthing after 1996 but couldnt afford it so 1994 is it.I have checked for all the normal stuff eg cracked head ,transmission etc and it all seems ok.only some bushes have to be changed and tyres. 1. My question is about the fuel lines (what seems like hard plastic of a unknow kind )and fuel system the two pumps. Dose any one know what type of rubber is in the 1994 Landrover TDI 300 fuel system.Is it safe to use 100% Biodiesel if not what parts should i change??? The fuel lines and other fuel system parts will be resistant to low-sulphur diesel and to biodiesel. You won't have problems, and even in the highly unlikely event that you do have problems it won't be sudden, you'll have enough warning to avoid a disaster. Please see this previous message: If your BioD is properly made (i.e. a complete reaction) , more importantly well washed (typically 3 or 4 washes) I see no reason to fear pump failure even in early pumps. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51514.html RE: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump See also: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#rubber Biodiesel and your vehicle Compatibility: -- Rubber (I am slowly introducing biodiesl at around 5---10% so far )but i dont want to go any higher till i get some advice about the fuel lines etc.I am just cleaning out the system slowly.but dont want to do any damage. 2. Also what is the effect of using a Petrol fuel filter but with a mix of Diesel/Biodiesel is it safeI am driving around with a 2nd new landrover filter incase my filter gets blocked but i havent found a in line filter for diesel so i am unsure if it is safe to us a Petrol filter. Safe enough, but how effective it will be depends on how fine it filters. Preferably it should be the same screen as your final filter. It doesn't have to be a Land Rover filter. Best wishes Keith Thanks in advance for any advice Alex. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] (no subject)
Hi Alex, your asking your question in the right place! I have a 90 Range Rover Classic that was converted from 3.9 petrol to 300TDi before I got it, not very well I might add, I suspect the previous owner had run it on kero too as the diesel pump was knackered (clouds of black smoke) Im in the process of a near complete rebuild (mechanical bodywork) Any questions you have, feel free to ask, Id be only too glad to help. Land Rover recently issued a recall on vehicles this age group because of fuel line problems. The factory fitted steel pipes corroded ending in leaks the recommendation was to replace all fuel lines with the white plastic type, I think its nylon. Id changed mine anyway. To connect the new lines at the tank the pump you use neoprene tube jubilee clips that you will get from a diesel rebuild shop, it will have fuel use or similar stamped on it, it will be fine for bioD. I dropped the tank to give it a clean out but it was clean as a whistle. It sounds like your Discovery has had the lines replaced already, but to be sure check that the nylon lines run the full length, both ways (mine didnt there were 3 different types of tubing!!), check the black tubing used to join the lines at either end if it were me I would change those for known fuel rated tubing. As far as filters go, a good place to start is the diesel rebuild shop, they will be able to advise / supply in line filters Im sure. I havent installed one as I know my fuel system is squeaky clean now, the bio Ill be putting in will be well filtered to start with. I dont think it makes a difference what fuel type the filter you have used is, as Keith says its the screen size thats important. CAUTION never use silicon sealant on any part of the fuel system its a sure fire way to block your newly fitted lines. Hope that helps any questions just ask. Regards Malcolm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alex burton Sent: 05 July 2005 02:08 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject) Hello All Thanks for all the advice in the past. After a year of making Biodiesel and not being able to use it i purchased a 1994 Discovery (at the Right price ) I wanted somthing after 1996 but couldnt afford it so 1994 is it.I have checked for all the normal stuff eg cracked head ,transmission etc and it all seems ok.only some bushes have to be changed and tyres. 1. My question is about the fuel lines (what seems like hard plastic of a unknow kind )and fuel system the two pumps. Dose any one know what type of rubber is in the 1994 Landrover TDI 300 fuel system.Is it safe to use 100% Biodiesel if not what parts should i change??? (I am slowly introducing biodiesl at around 5---10% so far )but i dont want to go any higher till i get some advice about the fuel lines etc.I am just cleaning out the system slowly.but dont want to do any damage. 2. Also what is the effect of using a Petrol fuel filter but with a mix of Diesel/Biodiesel is it safeI am driving around with a 2nd new landrover filter incase my filter gets blocked but i havent found a in line filter for diesel so i am unsure if it is safe to us a Petrol filter. Thanks in advance for any advice Alex. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars?
Robert Rabello Flextek can be used in most repeat in most engines not all of them. Instead increasing compression ratio it changes ignition timing. Potential problems are fuel pump "erosion" type unless changed to typical alcohol fuel pump and winter time ignition. This part is solved by using a small reservoir of gasoline using an small electric pump like the one used to flush water to clean the windshield. Most of the elastomer are compatible with alcohol so low probability in having problems in here. Very best for all of us. Chico robert luis rabello wrote: Ryan Hall wrote: Robert, I have seen several people mention E 100 on this list lately. I personally want to buy a diesel and produce bio diesel, but I drive EFI gasoline cars right now. The flextek device offers great promise for me to "do my part" now without waiting until I buy my Jetta. That's the promise. I don't know if the technology will deliver, but it seems like an elegant solution to the problem of modifying EFI engines to run on ethanol. Personally, I would still boost the compression ratio or run forced induction, as I do with my truck. There's no sense in running 105 octane fuel in an engine designed for low grade pump gas. Nonetheless, the Flextek system should work on an engine that is unmodified. My question is, where do you get E100. Is this available at the pumps, or is it something you would need to get elsewhere. A city about 45 miles from where I live just got E85, but I have heard nothing of E100. If I have the choice, I can just fill up on E85 every time I go there (usually about 1-2 times/week.) Fuel stations in Brasil have been selling E 100 for many years now, but that would be a long way for you and I to drive for a fill up, don't you think? E 85, which is available in some American states, is likely your best option, unless you want to get a BATF permit and distill your own ethanol. I wish I could do that here in Canada! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars?
I forgot to inform Flextek will work in most _*injected*_ engines FRANCISCO wrote: Robert Rabello Flextek can be used in most repeat in _*most*_ engines not all of them. Instead increasing compression ratio it changes ignition timing. Potential problems are fuel pump erosion type unless changed to typical alcohol fuel pump and winter time ignition. This part is solved by using a small reservoir of gasoline using an small electric pump like the one used to flush water to clean the windshield. Most of the elastomer are compatible with alcohol so low probability in having problems in here. Very best for all of us. Chico robert luis rabello wrote: Ryan Hall wrote: Robert, I have seen several people mention E 100 on this list lately. I personally want to buy a diesel and produce bio diesel, but I drive EFI gasoline cars right now. The flextek device offers great promise for me to do my part now without waiting until I buy my Jetta. That's the promise. I don't know if the technology will deliver, but it seems like an elegant solution to the problem of modifying EFI engines to run on ethanol. Personally, I would still boost the compression ratio or run forced induction, as I do with my truck. There's no sense in running 105 octane fuel in an engine designed for low grade pump gas. Nonetheless, the Flextek system should work on an engine that is unmodified. My question is, where do you get E100. Is this available at the pumps, or is it something you would need to get elsewhere. A city about 45 miles from where I live just got E85, but I have heard nothing of E100. If I have the choice, I can just fill up on E85 every time I go there (usually about 1-2 times/week.) Fuel stations in Brasil have been selling E 100 for many years now, but that would be a long way for you and I to drive for a fill up, don't you think? E 85, which is available in some American states, is likely your best option, unless you want to get a BATF permit and distill your own ethanol. I wish I could do that here in Canada! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Emeka What is the car manufacturer model mfg. year and engine type ? Chico emeka ugoala wrote: dear sir, Re: Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars? Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars?
Luis Eduardo Puerto wrote: I don't know very much of E85 or E100, I know that in Brazil it is being produced in big quantities as well as in USA. I don't know where exactly you can get it in Canada. It's not available here, at least on the west coast. We have a company that blends a small percentage of ethanol into its gasoline, but I'm sure it's no better than E 10. I have a question, for what type of cars is etahnol appropriate??? Can it be used with any car at all?? Any car that runs gasoline will be able to use ethanol. Older models require replacing rubber parts in the fuel system, changes to the carburetor jets, and some sort of fuel preheating device for cold weather. Newer, fuel injected vehicles sold in North America may have ethanol resistant parts from the factory, but cannot run ethanol blends greater than 50% without changes to the injector pulse width. This makes ethanol conversion more difficult for the average person. I know that biodiesel only suits diesel engines with no modification required, but the ethanol I don't know its implications. If anybody can explain it to me I will be glad to know. Unlike biodiesel, the fuel system in a gasoline engine MUST be modified to run ethanol. It would also be helpful to increase compression pressure by some means, if ethanol will be the primary fuel. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars?
FRANCISCO wrote: Flextek can be used in most repeat in most engines not all of them. Instead increasing compression ratio it changes ignition timing. I think, perhaps, a language issue is cropping up here. The Flextek device plugs into the automobile's fuel injector harness. It modifies the length of the injection pulse, not the ignition timing, which refers to the crankshaft angle when spark is delivered to the cylinder. I mentioned increasing compression pressure, though doing so isn't recommended in the Flextek promotional literature, merely because it makes thermodynamic sense to do so. Ethanol tolerates high compression pressures far better than gasoline. The fuel I run in my truck right now costs about $1.10 per liter. I can't run low grade gasoline in my vehicle, but ethanol would work very well. The engine would burn cleaner and run cooler than it does at present. Potential problems are fuel pump erosion type unless changed to typical alcohol fuel pump and winter time ignition. I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're writing here. I believe you're telling me that potential problems exist with the fuel pump, perhaps because of parts compatibility with ethanol. Most fuel systems with which I am familiar constantly circulate fuel between the tank and the injector system, so additional wear on the pump should not be an issue. If I'm in error, please let me know. This part is solved by using a small reservoir of gasoline using an small electric pump like the one used to flush water to clean the windshield. This is a solution to cold weather starting issues. Most of the elastomer are compatible with alcohol so low probability in having problems in here. This is why you've given the caveat that MOST modern gasoline engines will work with ethanol. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Symbiosis with nature, or at least less competition
With the global warming looming over us and animal species disappearing every day, I think humans should work towards a more symbiotic relationship with nature. Humans cut down trees to make room for houses to live in. Human activity creates CO2, which is (should be) absorbed in large part by trees. Humans have been competing with animals, with animal species disappearing daily. Humans justify destroying animal species as nuisance and useless species.Humans can get out of the competiton with animals by putting themselves and most of their possessions out of reach from large animals (Wolves, bears and big predators, moose, deer and other plant-eating animals) by living above the ground, either in the trees themselves, in houses hanging from trees or in platforms high above the ground. In our consumer society, humans have learned to consume, consume, take, take. I think it's time for humans to learn to give (at least our organic wastes properly composted). The trees and plants would happily receive it. http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues97/aug97/treehouses.html http://www.gcrio.org/gwcc/part1.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_sink ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] cast earth versus flyash concrete
A good foundation is a must,but the roof is what most people consider last.If your roof will not withstand global warmings "off-the-scale"weather,everything will be ruined!Most of the home types mentioned have the same type roof that a tornado or typhoon or whatever will tear off.A tire or straw bale home WILL burn if there is a crack in the wall material,not even taking the roof into count. A flyash -cement dome home built using class c flyash with a class h oil-field type cement at a 50/50 ratio with your sand -gravel mix shotcreted on 6 inches thick without ANY rebar to rust and crack the concrete should outlast the pyramids if they were built today!Ten years after a flyash-cement home is built,the concrete will be still getting STRONGER and more DENSE,i read.DUCTAL concrete can be well over 30,000 psi in strength,their company claims.A slogan on www.earth-house.com is "my roof IS my insurance."Flyash is still free for the taking in some locations,so look around and test it out. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Symbiosis with nature, or at least less competition
That is a start - Original Message - From: r [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Symbiosis with nature, or at least less competition With the global warming looming over us and animal species disappearing every day, I think humans should work towards a more symbiotic relationship with nature. Humans cut down trees to make room for houses to live in. Human activity creates CO2, which is (should be) absorbed in large part by trees. Humans have been competing with animals, with animal species disappearing daily. Humans justify destroying animal species as nuisance and useless species.Humans can get out of the competiton with animals by putting themselves and most of their possessions out of reach from large animals (Wolves, bears and big predators, moose, deer and other plant-eating animals) by living above the ground, either in the trees themselves, in houses hanging from trees or in platforms high above the ground. In our consumer society, humans have learned to consume, consume, take, take. I think it's time for humans to learn to give (at least our organic wastes properly composted). The trees and plants would happily receive it. http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues97/aug97/treehouses.html http://www.gcrio.org/gwcc/part1.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_sink ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
Todd, of course you are correct that energy is used to recycle steel. However, no more land is strip mined, and no new land is disturbed to bury the old broken washing machine that got melted down. Were the electricity generated in a sustainable way, it would be all good. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel? Something that requires a boatload of fossil fuels to smelt, sheet and press. Nice thing about renewables. They're renewable. And to a very large they do it in a carbon neutral way without much interference from humans. Todd Swearingen. Josephine Wee wrote: To Nancy Canning: We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel? thanks. - Original Message - *From:* Nancy Canning mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:51 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? what about recycled tires. filled with dirt, then covered with stucco. Makes a mighty good building and is being used all over the southwest. - Original Message - *From:* Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? I just built a utility building using the recycled steel structure by Panasteel, and I didn't have to join a get-rich-quick scheme to do it. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:04 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? Have you ever wondered how many trees were killed to build your home ? Go to this link an see how many and what you can do to change that whether it be a garage or a stadium ? http://customsuperhomes.com/myk I would like to make that change for America, after viewing the information signup to send me your information so we can build it together, Myk Hill Environmental Builder Professional http://customsuperhomes.com/myk Ph Fx: 206-600-5632 PO Box 291 Morrisville, NC 27560 http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSief010 http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSief010 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
Hard to say where the truth is in all of this debate regarding cutting trees. In Canada forest is one of our largest natural .ahemresources. Currently more forest area is lost to natural causes than logging. Trees are renewable and the lumber industry now replants more trees than it takes. The ecological impact is not a clear cut issue (pardon the pun). Granted a mature forest supports a different ecology than a second growth but for instance studies have shown that there is more food for bears in a clearcut zone than there is in a mature forest. I can vouch for this and the proof is in the sheer number of bears I have seen in clearcut areas in the province of British Columbia vs old growth areas. Clear cutting is still bad for what it does to soil retention on slopes but consider that a mature forest WILL burn eventually one hot dry summer during an electrical storm and all the lumber will have gone to waste and a lot of CO2 and particulate would have gone into the air. I have also been told that trees contibute relatively little oxygen to our atmosphere compared to the majority which comes from algae in the sea. Is this true? I've not verified it. Surely in a place like Canada using lumber makes sense from the perspective of localization vs globalization. Steel mills and recycling foundaries are few and far apart and require energy and transportation over long distances. The lumber industry uses heavy equipment for sure but there are thousands of saw mills that can process lumber right where it is cut and it can be used there as well. Lumber will not disappear any time soon as a building material. If logging was banned here construction companies would look for imported lumber possibly imported from regions where lack of environmental standards and logging practices are much more damaging to the earth. What is really needed is to put the brakes on the pervasive need for expansion that our capitalist system requires in order to sustain itself. I don't know what can replace it but I have a feeling we are going to find out in the next decade or so. Joe Chris wrote: Todd, of course you are correct that energy is used to recycle steel. However, no more land is strip mined, and no new land is disturbed to bury the old broken washing machine that got melted down. Were the electricity generated in a sustainable way, it would be all good. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel? Something that requires a boatload of fossil fuels to smelt, sheet and press. Nice thing about renewables. They're renewable. And to a very large they do it in a carbon neutral way without much interference from humans. Todd Swearingen. Josephine Wee wrote: To Nancy Canning: We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel? thanks. - Original Message - *From:* Nancy Canning mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:51 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? what about recycled tires. filled with dirt, then covered with stucco. Makes a mighty good building and is being used all over the southwest. - Original Message - *From:* Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? I just built a utility building using the recycled steel structure by Panasteel, and I didn't have to join a get-rich-quick scheme to do it. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:04 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? Have you ever wondered how many trees were killed to build your home ? Go to this link an see how many and what you can do to change that whether it be a garage or a stadium ? http://customsuperhomes.com/myk I would like to make that change for America, after viewing the information signup to send me your information so we can build it together, Myk Hill Environmental Builder Professional
RE: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel
To me the VW diesels sold in America are the best bang for the buck. They get 50mpg and they can be ran on biodiesel. My total cost per gallon for biodiesel is way less than $1 US. As long as I can make my own fuel I will be making it and I buy nothing but diesels. To me a diesel hybrid is not worth the extra expense because of the hybrid part. Economical diesels are the way to go. Bill From: Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:11:24 -0700 Yes but there is the issue of Battery life and cost. The batteries are warranted for 8-10 year or 80K/100K miles. Prorated - Who knows. There cost is in the $7000 bracket. So lets see, My Toyota Camry 1985 has 321K miles no rebuilds. I will admit it is near death. It get 27 odd MPG. 31 on the freeway. I will make the assumption that maintained cost are about equal for both cars. Assume the same time period and fuel prices. So my cost of ownership is (Toyota Camry) Fuel consumed = 321,000/27 = 11888 gallons. Fuel cost avg $1.50 Total fuel cost = $17,833 Cost per/year = $17,833/20years = $891 fuel costs. Battery cost $0 total = $891/year So my cost of ownership is (VW Jetta) Fuel consumed = 321,000/47 = 6829 gallons. Fuel cost avg $1.50 Total fuel cost = $10,244 Cost per/year = $10,244/20years = $512 fuel costs. Battery cost $0 total = $512/year As a Honda with a 80K/$7000 battery 2005 Honda Accord mileage 30/37 = avg around 35 mpg Fuel consumed = 321,000/35 = 9171 gallons. Fuel cost avg $1.50 Total fuel cost = $13,757 Total batteries used @ 80k mile/bat = 321/80 = 4.012 = 4 4 x 7000 = $28,000 Cost per/year = $13,757/20years = $687 fuel costs. Cost per/year = $28,000/20years = $1400 Battery costs. total = $2100/year @ 80K battery Assume a 150K battery = 2 changes = $14,000 Cost per/year = $13,757/20years = $687 fuel costs. Cost per/year = $14,000/20years = $700 Battery costs. total = $1387/year @ 80K battery As a Honda with a 100K/$7000 battery Insight mileage 60/66 = avg around 63 mpg Fuel consumed = 321,000/35 = 5095 gallons. Fuel cost avg $1.50 Total fuel cost = $7,642 Total batteries used @ 100k mile/bat = 321/100 = 3.21 = 3 3 x 7000 = $21,000 Cost per/year = $7,642/20years = $328 fuel costs. Cost per/year = $21,000/20years = $1050 Battery costs. total = $1378/year @ 100K battery Assume a 150K battery = 2 changes = $14,000 Cost per/year = $13,757/20years = $328 fuel costs. Cost per/year = $14,000/20years = $700 Battery costs. total = $1028/year @ 150K battery Conclusion: Toyota Camry 27mph $891/year Honda Accord$2100/year @ 80K battery 135% higher Honda Accord$1387/year @ 150K battery 56% higher Honda Insight $1387/year @ 100K battery 56% higher Honda Insight $1024/year @ 150K battery 14% higher VW Jetta$512/Year Honda Accord$2100/year @ 80K battery 310% higher Honda Accord$1387/year @ 150K battery 170% higher Honda Insight $1387/year @ 100K battery 170% higher Honda Insight $1024/year @ 150K battery 100% higher So I see not cost benefit to Hybrids, my poor Camry is less expensive. And what about life expectancy. My last Diesel Rabbit was retired at 450,000 miles. No rebuilds. When gas get to $4+ a gallon then there could be a net advantage to the hybrids, if the engine systems can last 20+ years. But still will not compeate with the diesels. Sorry the calculations do not include CO2 carbon credits. Just random thoughts. M ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] cast earth versus flyash concrete
CSH Had done something similar with their flyashe and tests showed the same results with a longevity of something like 300 yrs.Myk --- On Tue 07/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgDate: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:02:28 EDTSubject: [Biofuel] cast earth versus flyash concreteA good foundation is a must,but the roof is what most people consider last.If your roof will not withstand global warmings "off-the-scale"weather,everything will be ruined!Most of the home types mentioned have the same type roof that a tornado or typhoon or whatever will tear off.A tire or straw bale home WILL burn if there is a crack in the wall material,not even taking the roof into count. A flyash -cement dome home built using class c flyash with a class h oil-field type cement at a 50/50 ratio with your sand -gravel mix shotcreted on 6 inches thick without ANY rebar to rust and crack the concrete should outlast the pyramids if they were built today!Ten years after a flyash-cement home is built,the concrete will be still getting STRONGER and more DENSE,i read.DUCTAL concrete can be well over 30,000 psi in strength,their company claims.A slogan on www.earth-house.com is "my roof IS my insurance."Flyash is still free for the taking in some locations,so look around and test it out. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] US close to climate change concessions
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1521054,00.html Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | US close to climate change concessions Ewen MacAskill and agencies Monday July 4, 2005 The United States is edging towards important concessions on climate change at this week's G8 summit, it has been revealed. US President George Bush is now ready to concede that climate change has scientific basis, and that collective action is required over global warming. Until now, Mr Bush has adopted an intransigent position, insisting there is no scientific basis to conclude that there is such a phenomenon as global warming. The move was signalled during last weekend's sherpas meeting at Lancaster House in London, where officials met to work on a draft agreement ahead of this week's summit in Gleneagles. One of the diplomats involved in the negotiations confirmed today that the US sherpa had moved and accepted a draft text in which the existence of the problem is recognised. The foreign secretary, Jack Straw, said he hoped for a satisfactory outcome both in respect of aid to Africa and in respect of climate change at the G8 talks later this week. Each country comes to these negotiations ... with its own national perspective, Mr Straw said. It is, I think, remarkable how far sentiment has moved in the period since the prime minister identified aid to Africa and climate change as the key (issues) of this G8 summit. Mr Bush's stance will be underlined in an interview to be shown this evening on ITV's Tonight With Trevor McDonald. He will describe climate change as a significant, long-term issue that we've got to deal with, acknowledging that human activity is to some extent to blame. But Mr Bush will also warn that he will not make major concessions on climate change in return for Tony Blair's staunch support over Iraq. In particular, he will rule out committing the US to a Kyoto-style binding agreement on greenhouse gases. In the interview, recorded last week before the sherpas meeting, Mr Bush made clear he regarded new technology as the key to halting global warming. He indicated he believes Mr Blair is also ready to move beyond the Kyoto agenda and focus on techniques like the sequestration of carbon dioxide in underground wells, rather than on a regime of limits on emissions. Environmental activists immediately voiced dismay at Mr Bush's comments, which they said could block any progress on climate change at Gleneagles. They urged leaders of the other seven G8 countries to sign a communiqué excluding the US rather than accept a watered down statement which avoids calling for cuts in CO2 emissions. But the environment secretary, Margaret Beckett, said she was deeply reluctant to try to interpret Mr Bush's words. I think it's been clear for some days that negotiations were likely to go to down to the wire and that appears still to be the case, she told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme. What we wanted and what we do still want is to try to end up going in the same direction, that wherever people come from there is a recognition about the urgency of the problem and there is agreement. What we hope for is quite an ambitious action plan on steps that the international community can take, and also agreement to try to take forward discussion and dialogue about the future. Downing Street said that Mr Blair had never seen his relationship with the US president in terms of a quid pro quo. G8 is not about drawing the US into Kyoto or setting new standards, a spokeswoman said. Because they take a different view doesn't mean that the US cannot work with Europe and others to take forward measures to tackle climate change. Mr Bush's comments will be broadcast as thousands of protestors continue a week of protest in Edinburgh and around Scotland, following the weekend's huge Live 8 concerts and the Make Poverty History march in the Scottish capital. On the issue of Africa, the president brushed off campaigners' complaints that his decision to double US development aid by 2010 was too little, too late. The US gives 0.2% of its GDP in overseas aid - well below the UN's 0.7% target, which EU states are committed to reaching in the next few years. But Mr Bush insisted America was leading the world when it comes to helping Africa. He expressed readiness to abandon farm subsidies which make it difficult for African economies to compete, but only if the EU was also prepared to scrap its common agricultural policy. We've got agricultural subsidies, not nearly to the extent that our friends in the EU have, he said. And so the position of the US government is, we're willing to do so and we will do so with our fine friends in the European Union. Asked if he would make a special effort to help Mr Blair at the summit, which begins on Wednesday, in return for his support over Iraq, Mr Bush replied: I really don't view our relationship as one of quid
[Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/03/g8.bush.ap/index.html CNN.com - - Jul 3, 2005 Bush wants to shift global warming debate Sunday, July 3, 2005; Posted: 11:24 p.m. EDT (03:24 GMT) Bush: You can grow your economy and at the same time do a better job of harnessing greenhouse gases. LONDON, England (AP) -- Ahead of this week's G8 summit, President Bush says he wants to shift debate on global warming away from limits on greenhouse gas emissions to new technology that would reduce environmental harm without restricting energy use. In an interview with British journalist Trevor McDonald to be broadcast on ITV television Monday, Bush repeated his opposition to the Kyoto Protocol on climate change and said the United States would not sign it or any similar deals limiting gas emissions. I think you can grow your economy and at the same time do a better job of harnessing greenhouse gases, Bush said. That's exactly what I intend to talk to our partners about. British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who hosts the three-day summit of major industrial powers that begins Wednesday in Scotland, plans to make action on global warming a top focus along with tackling poverty in Africa. Bush spoke of his administration's investment of $20 billion (16.55 billion euros) in developing hydrogen-powered vehicles, zero-emission power stations and other technology. The Bush administration opposes the 1997 Kyoto treaty because officials believe it would raise energy prices and cost 5 million U.S. jobs. My hope is -- and I think the hope of Tony Blair is -- to move beyond the Kyoto debate and to collaborate on new technologies that will enable the United States and other countries to diversify away from fossil fuels so that the air will be cleaner and that we have the economic and national security that comes from less dependence on foreign sources of oil, Bush said. Blair, who has described global warming as probably the most serious threat we face wants an agreement among G8 leaders on the scientific threat posed by global warming and the urgent need for action. He also wants greater research in so-called green technology, and to draw emerging economies such as China, India, Brazil and Mexico into the debate. Prospects of agreement when the leaders of the United States, Russia, France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan join Blair in Gleneagles, Scotland, remain uncertain. Bush described climate change as a significant, long-term issue that we've got to deal with and acknowledged that human activity is to some extent to blame. Bush also made it clear that he was not ready to slash the farm subsidies that critics say distort global trade and make it difficult for African economies to compete unless the European Union was also prepared to scrap its Common Agricultural Policy. We've got agricultural subsidies, not nearly to the extent that our friends in the EU have, he said. ... The position of the U.S. government is, we're willing to do so and we will do so with our fine friends in the European Union. In the interview, Bush was also asked if he would make a special effort to support Blair at the summit in return for the British leader's backing for the war in Iraq. I really don't view our relationship as one of quid pro quo, Bush replied. Tony Blair made decisions on what he thought was best for keeping the peace and winning the war on terror, as I did. So I go to the G8 not really trying to make him look bad or good, but I go to the G8 with an agenda that I think is best for our country. Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-5117756,00.html Guardian Unlimited | World Latest | Schwarzenegger Urges Global Warming Action Schwarzenegger Urges Global Warming Action Monday July 4, 2005 6:16 PM AP Photo NY109 By The Associated Press LONDON (AP) - California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is urging governments - including that of President Bush - to face up the reality of global warming. ``The debate is over,'' he wrote in Britain's Independent on Sunday newspaper. ``We know the science. We see the threat posed by changes in our climate. And we know the time for action is now.'' Schwarzenegger, a Republican, did not mention Bush by name, but called on ``governments everywhere'' to join action to combat climate change. He contradicted Bush's claims that taking action will damage the U.S. economy. Climate change is one of the major issues expected to be discussed at the upcoming Group of Eight summit at the Gleneagles resort in Scotland. Schwarzenegger has vowed to make California a leader in the battle against global warming, calling on the state to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases while increasing use of renewable energy. ``Global warming threatens California's water supply, public health, agriculture, coastlines and forests - our entire economy and way of life,'' Schwarzenegger wrote. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] No favours on climate change, says Bush
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news __international_newsarticleid=244473 : Mail Guardian Online No favours on climate change, says Bush 04 July 2005 02:51 United States President George Bush will on Monday warn that he will not make concessions on climate change in return for British Prime Minister Tony Blair's staunch support over Iraq. In an interview with ITV's Tonight With Trevor McDonald programme, to be screened on Monday evening, Bush will rule out committing the US to a Kyoto-style binding agreement on greenhouse gases. However, the US president also showed signs that he was coming into line with global scientific opinion on climate change, describing the issue as a significant, long-term issue that we've got to deal with. He also acknowledged that human activity was to some extent to blame for global warming, but made it clear he regards new technology as the key to halting it. He indicated that he believed Blair was also ready to move beyond the Kyoto agenda and focus on techniques such as the sequestration of carbon dioxide in underground wells rather than on a regime of limiting emissions. When asked whether he would make a special effort to help the prime minister at the summit -- which begins on Wednesday -- in return for his support over Iraq, Bush said: I really don't view our relationship as one of quid pro quo. Tony Blair made decisions on what he thought was best for keeping the peace and winning the war on terror, as I did. So I go to the G8 not really trying to make him look bad or good, but I go to the G8 with an agenda that I think is best for our country. He made it clear he was not ready to sign up to an agreement to reduce carbon emissions, saying: If this looks like Kyoto, the answer is no. The Kyoto treaty would have wrecked our economy, if I can be blunt. Instead, he said, he wanted to talk to his fellow G8 leaders about developing new technologies to limit climate change without reducing the availability of energy to individuals and businesses. He highlighted his administration's $19,88-bn investment in developing technologies such as hydrogen-powered cars, zero emission power stations and carbon sequestration, and said: I think you can grow your economy and at the same time do a better job of harnessing greenhouse gases. Environmental activists immediately voiced dismay at Bush's comments, which they said could block any progress on climate change at Gleneagles. They urged the leaders of the other seven G8 countries to sign a communique excluding the US rather than accept a watered-down statement that avoided calling for cuts in CO2 emissions. However, the environment secretary, Margaret Beckett, said she was reluctant to try to interpret the president's words. I think it's been clear for some days that negotiations were likely to go to down to the wire, and that appears still to be the case, she told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. What we wanted, and what we do still want, is to try to end up going in the same direction ... that wherever people come from there is a recognition about the urgency of the problem and there is agreement. Bush's remarks will be broadcast as thousands of protestors continue a week of demonstrations in Edinburgh and around Scotland intended to put pressure on the G8 leaders. There were fears of violence around an anti-capitalist demonstration planned for Edinburgh city centre. He shrugged off campaigners' claims that his decision to double US development aid to Africa by 2010 was too little, too late. The US gives 0,2% of its GDP in overseas aid -- well below the UN's 0,7% target, which EU states are committed to reaching in the next few years, but Bush insisted the US was leading the world when it comes to helping Africa. He expressed readiness to abandon farm subsidies which make it difficult for African economies to compete -- but only if the EU was also prepared to scrap its common agricultural policy. We've got agricultural subsidies, but not nearly to the extent that our friends in the EU have, he said. And so the position of the US government is that we're willing to do so and we will do so with our fine friends in the European Union. - Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
I think that trees are a (renewable) resource that should be harvested. Otherwise, trees, like other resources, will get depleted, no matter the quantity of trees. The more there is of the resource, the more time it takes to deplete it and the more the hurt after it is gone. I ordered this fascinating book Les Methodes Jean Pain ou Un Autre Jardin (The Jean Pain Methods or Another Garden) from www.jean-pain.com (in French) that does just that. It can be ordered using Paypal, among other payment methods. Tree harvesting. removing dead branches, shred them and compost them. Removing dead branches has the added benefit of reducing wild fire risk. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hard to say where the truth is in all of this debate regarding cutting trees. In Canada forest is one of our largest natural .ahemresources. Currently more forest area is lost to natural causes than logging. Trees are renewable and the lumber industry now replants more trees than it takes. The ecological impact is not a clear cut issue (pardon the pun). Granted a mature forest supports a different ecology than a second growth but for instance studies have shown that there is more food for bears in a clearcut zone than there is in a mature forest. I can vouch for this and the proof is in the sheer number of bears I have seen in clearcut areas in the province of British Columbia vs old growth areas. Clear cutting is still bad for what it does to soil retention on slopes but consider that a mature forest WILL burn eventually one hot dry summer during an electrical storm and all the lumber will have gone to waste and a lot of CO2 and particulate would have gone into the air. I have also been told that trees contibute relatively little oxygen to our atmosphere compared to the majority which comes from algae in the sea. Is this true? I've not verified it. Surely in a place like Canada using lumber makes sense from the perspective of localization vs globalization. Steel mills and recycling foundaries are few and far apart and require energy and transportation over long distances. The lumber industry uses heavy equipment for sure but there are thousands of saw mills that can process lumber right where it is cut and it can be used there as well. Lumber will not disappear any time soon as a building material. If logging was banned here construction companies would look for imported lumber possibly imported from regions where lack of environmental standards and logging practices are much more damaging to the earth. What is really needed is to put the brakes on the pervasive need for expansion that our capitalist system requires in order to sustain itself. I don't know what can replace it but I have a feeling we are going to find out in the next decade or so. Joe Chris wrote: Todd, of course you are correct that energy is used to recycle steel. However, no more land is strip mined, and no new land is disturbed to bury the old broken washing machine that got melted down. Were the electricity generated in a sustainable way, it would be all good. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel? Something that requires a boatload of fossil fuels to smelt, sheet and press. Nice thing about renewables. They're renewable. And to a very large they do it in a carbon neutral way without much interference from humans. Todd Swearingen. Josephine Wee wrote: To Nancy Canning: We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel? thanks. - Original Message - *From:* Nancy Canning mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:51 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? what about recycled tires. filled with dirt, then covered with stucco. Makes a mighty good building and is being used all over the southwest. - Original Message - *From:* Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? I just built a utility building using the recycled steel structure by Panasteel, and I didn't have to join a get-rich-quick scheme to do it. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate
OK, I've been a little preoccupied lately and haven't been able tocontributions to recent discussions. However, one of Kieth's recent postscaught my attention. Please allow me to vent. ...I'm quoting parts of Kieth's post in reverse order. "My hope is -- and I think the hope of Tony Blair is -- to move beyond the Kyoto debate and to collaborate on new technologies that will enable the United States and other countries to diversify away from fossil fuels so that the air will be cleaner and that we have the economic and national security that comes from less dependence on foreign sources of oil," Bush said."Bush spoke of his administration's investment of $20 billion (16.55 billion euros) in developing hydrogen-powered vehicles, zero-emission power stations and other technology." Bush's position shifts like the tide -- like atideresultingfrom global warming and which might swallow Bangladesh.He starts out with "...away from fossil fuels...", then differentiates who's fossil fuels with "...less dependence on foreign sources of oil". Finally, (In an earlier statement) he spoke of his administrations$20 billion investmentin hydrogen powered vehicles, demonstratinghis steadfast commitment to oil interests. He wants to projectconcern toward (only the mostuneducated) environmentalists with a technology that addresses the storage of energy and not sustainable resourcesfor conversion. At the same time, he chooses a cause which the oil industry can actively participate. Finally, a low emphasis on greenhouse gas emissions is an invitation for some companies to manufacture "green" products with no regard to the manufacturing processes and how it contributes to global warming -- thus, defeating the purpose. I think I need to throw up now. Mike___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 45 gallons of cream
I made a batch of diesel a couiple days ago that went perfect. I made another batch the same as the first that sepparated good. I added about 5 gallons of water to the 40 gallons of diesel that I had to wash, and heated it to about 90F as I did for the first. When I went back to change the water, I found 45 gallons of cream. I have reheated it to over 100F but it hasn't broke yet. Any Ideas? Brent ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate
Mike, It is an excellent example on how it goes, when you try to hide and not acknowledge that the mad cow decease hit US a long time ago. Not being able to keep the balance is a clear sign. Cannibalism is also recognized as a root cause. I am not saying that Bush is one of the victims, probably not, since the mad cow decease is a degeneration of brain cells and without them, no mad cow decease. Hakan At 11:49 PM 7/5/2005, you wrote: OK, I've been a little preoccupied lately and haven't been able to contributions to recent discussions. However, one of Kieth's recent posts caught my attention. Please allow me to vent. ...I'm quoting parts of Kieth's post in reverse order. My hope is -- and I think the hope of Tony Blair is -- to move beyond the Kyoto debate and to collaborate on new technologies that will enable the United States and other countries to diversify away from fossil fuels so that the air will be cleaner and that we have the economic and national security that comes from less dependence on foreign sources of oil, Bush said. Bush spoke of his administration's investment of $20 billion (16.55 billion euros) in developing hydrogen-powered vehicles, zero-emission power stations and other technology. Bush's position shifts like the tide -- like a tide resulting from global warming and which might swallow Bangladesh. He starts out with ...away from fossil fuels..., then differentiates who's fossil fuels with ...less dependence on foreign sources of oil. Finally, (In an earlier statement) he spoke of his administrations $20 billion investment in hydrogen powered vehicles, demonstrating his steadfast commitment to oil interests. He wants to project concern toward (only the most uneducated) environmentalists with a technology that addresses the storage of energy and not sustainable resources for conversion. At the same time, he chooses a cause which the oil industry can actively participate. Finally, a low emphasis on greenhouse gas emissions is an invitation for some companies to manufacture green products with no regard to the manufacturing processes and how it contributes to global warming -- thus, defeating the purpose. I think I need to throw up now. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
U Chris, that's not quite correct. New steel is generally added to recycled steel to maintain structural integrity. Otherwise it begins to get to tinny. Not only do more mining energies go into the new fraction, but fossil fuels are still consumed in refining. This means more mining of coal - inclusive of strip mining - and production of coke. Essentially, even recycled steel products are entirely carbon negative. Less energy than virgin steel, but entirely carbon negative. That negative is considerably less when incorporating renewable building products, whether it be straw bale in less humid climes or new or engineered wood products. Yes, some fossil fuel will go into harvesting equipment. Some into transportation and harvest energies. Some even into milling and molding. But the equation's product is still phenomenally more carbon negative than metal ores, whether recycled or not, especially when the construction is done in a manner consistant with 100 year + builidng life cycles and carbon storage for such a long duration. Save the metal for those applications where no other material can replace it, or where it reduces life-cycle, fossil energy inputs. Steel may be quick, but it's not magically less painless for the environment simply becuase humans have painted a recylced triangle on the base of every metal framing stud. Chris wrote: Todd, of course you are correct that energy is used to recycle steel. However, no more land is strip mined, and no new land is disturbed to bury the old broken washing machine that got melted down. Were the electricity generated in a sustainable way, it would be all good. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel? Something that requires a boatload of fossil fuels to smelt, sheet and press. Nice thing about renewables. They're renewable. And to a very large they do it in a carbon neutral way without much interference from humans. Todd Swearingen. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
Ditto. De-evolution anyone? I'm sure Southern Baptists, et al, would fight the teaching of that in the U.S. public school systems every bit as staunchly as they oppose evolution. How about a three-sixths compromise.? Intelligent de-evolution. :-) Todd Swearingen What is really needed is to put the brakes on the pervasive need for expansion that our capitalist system requires in order to sustain itself. I don't know what can replace it but I have a feeling we are going to find out in the next decade or so. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hard to say where the truth is in all of this debate regarding cutting trees. In Canada forest is one of our largest natural .ahemresources. Currently more forest area is lost to natural causes than logging. Trees are renewable and the lumber industry now replants more trees than it takes. The ecological impact is not a clear cut issue (pardon the pun). Granted a mature forest supports a different ecology than a second growth but for instance studies have shown that there is more food for bears in a clearcut zone than there is in a mature forest. I can vouch for this and the proof is in the sheer number of bears I have seen in clearcut areas in the province of British Columbia vs old growth areas. Clear cutting is still bad for what it does to soil retention on slopes but consider that a mature forest WILL burn eventually one hot dry summer during an electrical storm and all the lumber will have gone to waste and a lot of CO2 and particulate would have gone into the air. I have also been told that trees contibute relatively little oxygen to our atmosphere compared to the majority which comes from algae in the sea. Is this true? I've not verified it. Surely in a place like Canada using lumber makes sense from the perspective of localization vs globalization. Steel mills and recycling foundaries are few and far apart and require energy and transportation over long distances. The lumber industry uses heavy equipment for sure but there are thousands of saw mills that can process lumber right where it is cut and it can be used there as well. Lumber will not disappear any time soon as a building material. If logging was banned here construction companies would look for imported lumber possibly imported from regions where lack of environmental standards and logging practices are much more damaging to the earth. What is really needed is to put the brakes on the pervasive need for expansion that our capitalist system requires in order to sustain itself. I don't know what can replace it but I have a feeling we are going to find out in the next decade or so. Joe Chris wrote: Todd, of course you are correct that energy is used to recycle steel. However, no more land is strip mined, and no new land is disturbed to bury the old broken washing machine that got melted down. Were the electricity generated in a sustainable way, it would be all good. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel? Something that requires a boatload of fossil fuels to smelt, sheet and press. Nice thing about renewables. They're renewable. And to a very large they do it in a carbon neutral way without much interference from humans. Todd Swearingen. Josephine Wee wrote: To Nancy Canning: We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel? thanks. - Original Message - *From:* Nancy Canning mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:51 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? what about recycled tires. filled with dirt, then covered with stucco. Makes a mighty good building and is being used all over the southwest. - Original Message - *From:* Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? I just built a utility building using the recycled steel structure by Panasteel, and I didn't have to join a get-rich-quick scheme to do it. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:04 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
Re: [Biofuel] Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars?
Hey Robert Luis, thank you very much for your answer man Now I understand the implications of ethanol. Until next. Luis Eduardo Puerto wrote: I don't know very much of E85 or E100, I know that in Brazil it is being produced in big quantities as well as in USA. I don't know where exactly you can get it in Canada.It's not available here, at least on the west coast. We have a company that blends a small percentage of ethanol into its gasoline, but I'm sure it's no better than E 10. I have a question, for what type of cars is etahnol appropriate??? Can it be used with any car at all??Any car that runs gasoline will be able to use ethanol. Older models require replacing rubber parts in the fuel system, changes to the carburetor jets, and some sort of fuel preheating device for cold weather. Newer, fuel injected vehicles sold in North America may have ethanol resistant parts from the factory, but cannot run ethanol blends greater than 50% without changes to the injector pulse width. This makes ethanol conversion more difficult for the average person. I know that biodiesel only suits diesel engines with no modification required, but the ethanol I don't know its implications. If anybody can explain it to me I will be glad to know. Unlike biodiesel, the fuel system in a gasoline engine MUST be modified to run ethanol. It would also be helpful to increase compression pressure by some means, if ethanol will be the primary fuel.robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782Ranger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/__Correo Yahoo!Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 45 gallons of cream
Any Ideas? Yup. But you're not going to like 'em. 1st) Your batch didn't go perfect if you got that heavy of an emulsion. 2nd) Best to always do a quick swirl wash of only an ounce or two prior to comitting to washing an entire batch. 3rd) Remove several 100 ml samples of the emulsion. Label and log each sample. Treat each with various salt/water ratios and/or various small volumes of first acetic acid, then phosphoric or sulfuric. Record EVERY variable for future reference. Someone has previously mentioned using calcium carbonate to break an emulsion. In theory, anything that is hydrophillic will help, presuming it doesn't hurt... :-) Eventually the majority of the emulsion will break on their own. But you can hasten that with a little intervention. Just be sure to neutralize your waste water prior to disposing/dispersing. Brent S wrote: I made a batch of diesel a couiple days ago that went perfect. I made another batch the same as the first that sepparated good. I added about 5 gallons of water to the 40 gallons of diesel that I had to wash, and heated it to about 90F as I did for the first. When I went back to change the water, I found 45 gallons of cream. I have reheated it to over 100F but it hasn't broke yet. Any Ideas? Brent ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Hydrogen: Seperating the Wheat From the Chaff
Remember our discussion on "above unity" devices?
Well, our president in his profound wisdom has been selling the idea of a "hydrogen economy" without telling anyone where the hydrogen is coming from -- passing it off as a clean and renewableenergy "source".
Whilehe was babbling, I was reminded of how easy it is to sell an idea to an audience who wants to believe it -- especially if it has some foundation in fact.
Let's share a nostalgic moment with Stanley Meyer and the water powered car.
"Dennis Lee and Stanley Meyers drove together in Stanley's water powered car from California to New York using about 28 gallons of Water. Stanly was subsequently conscripted to work for the Pentagon and then was murdered by poison hoisting a toast to success powering Army Tanks using the hydrogen in water. "
See the local news clip on the revolutionary, water powered car.http://befreetech.com/energysuppression.htm
See Stanley Meyer's Water Powered Car Broadband Dialup
An illusion of legitimacy or a technology squashed by big oil interests?
Stanley Meyer's"water car patents":
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Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars and motorcycles
Ha I guess this is called Synchronicity. I just won this diesel engine on ebay and plan on installing it in a motorcycle frame. I do not have a donor bike yet, but I do have some ideas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=29520item=4367731706rd=1 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars and motorcycles todd, that's awesome! curiously, i've been pondering this very concept--a diesel-powered motorbike--recently. i figured it had to have been done somewhere by someone. best fo luck! -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future
i've never heard this term of 'the bilderbergers' before, butidon't find teh notion too farfetched. more likely to me that their idea of safeguarding supply is simply to make it more expensive, regardless of whether it provokes economic downturn or depression. take the fact that oil prices spiked again simply because of this tropical storm in the gulf right now; the rationale being that it could disrupt supply. how do people swallow this bunk? by the same reasoning, oil should have surpassed $75/bbl the very day we invaded iraq. as far as your last comment is concerned, isn't it interesting that left wing parties and labor movements were far more widespread and mainstream *prior to (and during)* the great depression than *after* (this is especially true of the situation in the u.s.a.).? -chris b. -Original Message-From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:52:06 -0700Subject: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future From the latest ASPO Newsletter: http://www.peakoil.net/ Expect a severe downturn in the world's economy over the next two years as Bilderbergers try to safeguard the remaining oil supply by taking money out of people's hands. In a recession or, at worst, a depression, the population will be forced to dramatically cut down their spending habits, thus ensuring a longer supply of oil to the world's rich as they try to figure out what to do. I know, your eyes glaze over when you hear anything about the Bilderbergers :-) Interesting idea, tho. My Dad was poor enough in the Great Depression that hey traded with their Polish neighbors for sauerkraut and potatoes. OTOH, my Mom was sort of aristocracy, and the same event hardly even broke their stride! Funny how economic downturn may even be in the best interest of the world's richest -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future
on 7/5/05 6:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isn't it interesting that left wing parties and labor movements were far more widespread and mainstream *prior to (and during)* the great depression than *after* (this is especially true of the situation in the u.s.a.).? -chris b. As they say, it has to get worse before it gets better! Our own Decl. of Indep. talks about how people will put up with much $%@ before finally pushing back. Oil price is a good example. England now pays something like $8 USD per gallon for petrol -- I'm still only paying $2.50 for dinodiesel. Will US wake up at $6? Probly not. 15$ ?? Maybe.-K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
Essentially, even recycled steel products are entirely carbon negative. Less energy than virgin steel, but entirely carbon negative. Uh., make that carbon positive. (Knew I should have taken that speed thinking course instead of the speed typing one.) Todd Swearingen Appal Energy wrote: U Chris, that's not quite correct. New steel is generally added to recycled steel to maintain structural integrity. Otherwise it begins to get to tinny. Not only do more mining energies go into the new fraction, but fossil fuels are still consumed in refining. This means more mining of coal - inclusive of strip mining - and production of coke. Essentially, even recycled steel products are entirely carbon negative. Less energy than virgin steel, but entirely carbon negative. That negative is considerably less when incorporating renewable building products, whether it be straw bale in less humid climes or new or engineered wood products. Yes, some fossil fuel will go into harvesting equipment. Some into transportation and harvest energies. Some even into milling and molding. But the equation's product is still phenomenally more carbon negative than metal ores, whether recycled or not, especially when the construction is done in a manner consistant with 100 year + builidng life cycles and carbon storage for such a long duration. Save the metal for those applications where no other material can replace it, or where it reduces life-cycle, fossil energy inputs. Steel may be quick, but it's not magically less painless for the environment simply becuase humans have painted a recylced triangle on the base of every metal framing stud. Chris wrote: Todd, of course you are correct that energy is used to recycle steel. However, no more land is strip mined, and no new land is disturbed to bury the old broken washing machine that got melted down. Were the electricity generated in a sustainable way, it would be all good. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel? Something that requires a boatload of fossil fuels to smelt, sheet and press. Nice thing about renewables. They're renewable. And to a very large they do it in a carbon neutral way without much interference from humans. Todd Swearingen. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
hi, joe. a few counterpoints to some of your observations. Currently more forest area is lost to natural causes than logging. well, truly this is how it should be, so long as the 'natural' causes are not anomalously numerous due to 'unnatural' i.e. human-made environmental imbalances. Trees are renewable and the lumber industry now replants more trees than it takes. how many of these replanted trees survive to maturity? is there independent data on this? the industry should be planting, at a minimum, three trees for each that it cuts for a reasonable assurance of achieving a net balance of 1-to-1. Granted a mature forest supports a different ecology than a second growth but for instance studies have shown that there is more food for bears in a clearcut zone than there is in a mature forest. i don't see the relevance of this. you could make the same argument for garbage dumps. does that mean we should be sending all these huge barges full of waste to the canadian wilderness? who conducted these studies? and who funded them? Clear cutting is still bad for what it does to soil retention on slopes but consider that a mature forest WILL burn eventually one hot dry summer during an electrical storm and all the lumber will have gone to waste and a lot of CO2 and particulate would have gone into the air. forest fires have been sending co2 into the atmosphere for millenia, but that isn't what has precipitated global warming. furhtermore, in the case of north america, fire has been one of the primary evolutionary forces. the ecosystem of this continent has a sort of co-dependency with fire; sort of like a purging/renewal mechanism. in fact, there are certain conifers which need the high tempatures of a wildfire for their cones to open and release the seeds. I have also been told that trees contibute relatively little oxygen to our atmosphere compared to the majority which comes from algae in the sea. Is this true? i don't know about this, but i've kind of always assumed that a plant's 'oxygen cycle' and 'co2 cycle' pretty much cancel each other out. but there's no denying that trees sequester large quantities of carbon (breaking down co2 to do so, no?). i love wood, so i don't think i'd want to see the lumber industry just disappear. but logging is hardly practiced in an ecological or environmentally friendly way, even in our countries with our. . .ahem. . .lofty environmental standards. the cases of truly thoughtful, careful, minimally disruptive logging on this continent are precious few. they can probably be counted on the fingers of one hand, and probably don't even account for 1% of the total logging activity. What is really needed is to put the brakes on the pervasive need for expansion that our capitalist system requires in order to sustain itself. couldn't agree with you more. -chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future
"left wing parties and labor movements were far more widespread and mainstream *prior to (and during)* the great depression" Eugene Debs: Socialist andPresidential Candidate Debs ran in 1900,1904,1908,1912 and 1920, the last race from Atlanta Prison. The slogan on a campaign poster in 1920 read: From Atlanta Prison to the Whitehouse, 1920, and a popular campaign button showed Debs in prison garb, standing outside the prison gates, with the caption: For President Convict No. 9653, Debs received nearly one million votes that year! http://www.eugenevdebs.com/pages/polit.html Mike Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/5/05 6:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isn't it interesting that left wing parties and labor movements were far more widespread and mainstream *prior to (and during)* the great depression than *after* (this is especially true of the situation in the u.s.a.).? -chris b.As they say, "it has to get worse before it gets better!" Our ownDecl. of Indep. talks about how people will put up with much $%@before finally pushing back. Oil price is a good example. Englandnow pays something like $8 USD per gallon for petrol -- I'm stillonly paying $2.50 for dinodiesel. Will US wake up at $6? Probly not.15$ ?? Maybe. -K ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future
Chris b, The fact is that the oil price has gone up very much thanks to the Iraq venture. The oil production in Iraq, before the occupation, was almost as large as what they call the swing production, or with other words the cushion that evened out production and demand. The biggest problem and reason, has also been the US filling up their strategic storage, which was going down due to the war. Bush has been filling up, independent of the price of the day. With the swing production gone and higher demand from China and India, the price have moved up in a steady way and will continue to do so. It is also interesting to note that the high oil price is mainly a US problem and countries that pegged their currencies to the greenback. In many other currencies, the oil price has not gone up that much. This because the dollar lost significantly in value, 0.89 dollar for one Euro, before the war, has changed to 1.25 to 1.35. This mean that EU is less effected by the higher oil price in dollar. One reason for the low response at the time of the war, was the general opinion that US would gain and be able to stabilize the oil supplies rapidly. This has not happened and in combination with that, it was discovered that a large part of the general oil reserves was paperwork. It is much worse times to come and maybe a serious US lead depression will be necessary to establish lower oil demand levels. On the other hand, it might nor help, since the growth in China and India, will outstrip the effects of a depression. A depression will probably hit US, but it has more to do with adjustments to a new world economic balance. The forgiveness of the African debts, is necessary and sound adjustments of the books, not our leaders sudden rebirth and alter egoistic mood. Hakan At 03:29 AM 7/6/2005, you wrote: i've never heard this term of 'the bilderbergers' before, but i don't find teh notion too farfetched. more likely to me that their idea of safeguarding supply is simply to make it more expensive, regardless of whether it provokes economic downturn or depression. take the fact that oil prices spiked again simply because of this tropical storm in the gulf right now; the rationale being that it could disrupt supply. how do people swallow this bunk? by the same reasoning, oil should have surpassed $75/bbl the very day we invaded iraq. as far as your last comment is concerned, isn't it interesting that left wing parties and labor movements were far more widespread and mainstream *prior to (and during)* the great depression than *after* (this is especially true of the situation in the u.s.a.).? -chris b. -Original Message- From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:52:06 -0700 Subject: [Biofuel] ASPO on the Economic near-Future From the latest ASPO Newsletter: http://www.peakoil.net/http://www.peakoil.net/ Expect a severe downturn in the world's economy over the next two years as Bilderbergers try to safeguard the remaining oil supply by taking money out of people's hands. In a recession or, at worst, a depression, the population will be forced to dramatically cut down their spending habits, thus ensuring a longer supply of oil to the world's rich as they try to figure out what to do. I know, your eyes glaze over when you hear anything about the Bilderbergers :-) Interesting idea, tho. My Dad was poor enough in the Great Depression that hey traded with their Polish neighbors for sauerkraut and potatoes. OTOH, my Mom was sort of aristocracy, and the same event hardly even broke their stride! Funny how economic downturn may even be in the best interest of the world's richest -K ___ Biofuel mailing list mailto:Biofuel%40sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
RE: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate
Before you throw up... Can you tell us the solution? Bio-fuel, wind, and solar are great starts on energy, but all combined are still a tiny drop in the bucket up against fossil fuels. If the oil stops - we starve. Ties to middle east oil are likely to drag us into WWIII (consult your Bible nightly news for details). Kyoto as it stands is nothing but a money and politicalpower grab, I wouldn't support it either (and yes I have read it). Hydrogen/fuel cell cars are the low hanging fruit here, we can possibly cut auto fuelusage by30%-40%through efficiency. I remember the fuel crisis of the 70's that resulted minor long term changes. Seams to me we do need a short term and long term policy... Short term, get as far away from the evils as possible (environmental,political, and economic). Long term, exploit every energy source possible. I you have any viable real world solutions lets hear it. O-yes, I live in Kansas wherepeople are fighting against wind farms (we are a high wind state) because it disrupts their view of the country side. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Michael RedlerSent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:50 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate OK, I've been a little preoccupied lately and haven't been able tocontributions to recent discussions. However, one of Kieth's recent postscaught my attention. Please allow me to vent. ...I'm quoting parts of Kieth's post in reverse order. "My hope is -- and I think the hope of Tony Blair is -- to move beyond the Kyoto debate and to collaborate on new technologies that will enable the United States and other countries to diversify away from fossil fuels so that the air will be cleaner and that we have the economic and national security that comes from less dependence on foreign sources of oil," Bush said."Bush spoke of his administration's investment of $20 billion (16.55 billion euros) in developing hydrogen-powered vehicles, zero-emission power stations and other technology." Bush's position shifts like the tide -- like atideresultingfrom global warming and which might swallow Bangladesh.He starts out with "...away from fossil fuels...", then differentiates who's fossil fuels with "...less dependence on foreign sources of oil". Finally, (In an earlier statement) he spoke of his administrations$20 billion investmentin hydrogen powered vehicles, demonstratinghis steadfast commitment to oil interests. He wants to projectconcern toward (only the mostuneducated) environmentalists with a technology that addresses the storage of energy and not sustainable resourcesfor conversion. At the same time, he chooses a cause which the oil industry can actively participate. Finally, a low emphasis on greenhouse gas emissions is an invitation for some companies to manufacture "green" products with no regard to the manufacturing processes and how it contributes to global warming -- thus, defeating the purpose. I think I need to throw up now. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biofuel as a rural community developement project in Belize
I am in the process of doing the same in Belize, Central America. I have some land and want to grow Jatropha and encourage the local people to grow it as a cash crop to help the local economy and ease the high price of fuel there. Anyone know of where to find a good seed oil press for a third world application? Also, is there a place where I find a plant oil cooking stove? What is known about using palm nut/coconut oil for as veggie oil in a diesel engine? There is a wild palm nut in Belize that might be used as a biofuel. Thanks, Dennis From: Armando R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Biofuel as a rural community development projectinMozambique Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:58:09 +0200 Alexis, With the current oil prices I am sure many things can be done in rural communities in Mozambique in the area of biofuels. I would leave fuel ethanol for the sugar cane factories to produce. It can be mixed up to 10% in gasoline as the Malawians are doing, apparently. The rural poor buy kerosene (and sometimes gasoil) for illumination at very high prices, above USD1000,00 per cubic metre in many remote areas, were vegetable oil (coconut oil for instance) could be used. This would be a very small-scale project, but the local alternative price of the raw material should be investigated. I have done some calculations on coconut oil and found out that the raw material (copra) is the most important single cost in the production of oil. The vegetable oil could also be used in diesel engines running the small-scale mills scattered around the rural communities. Best regards, Armando A.C. Rodrigues Av Francisco O. Magumbwe, 149 C.P 3279 Maputo 2 Maputo - Moçambique Tel. Móvel: +258 82 3016040 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nome de Alexis Rawlinson Enviada: segunda-feira, 27 de Junho de 2005 20:43 Para: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Assunto: [Biofuel] Biofuel as a rural community development project inMozambique I am toying with the idea of trying to set up a pilot rural community development project involving biofuel (bioethanol or biodiesel or SVO, whichever is most appropriate) in Mozambique. I am hoping that you can give me your opinion and advice on the technical feasibility, commercial viability and ultimately, long-term sustainability, in a poor isolated African rural setting, of small-scale, community-based, locally-run biofuel production. If anyone has had experience of a similar project, I would be extremely interested to have information about that. Am I right in thinking that the technical feasibility is beyond question? Bear in mind that we are talking about very isolated and poor communities where everything has to be low-tech and low-maintenance. On the basis of this criterion, biodiesel appears to be the most appropriate fuel as it can be used in diesel vehicles/machines/generators (even very old and rickety ones?) with no engine modifications. We can discount the issue of having to change filters initially because of accumulated petrodiesel deposits falling off (we could include the cost of new filters in start-up subsidies). We also don't need to worry about problems with cold starts, since Mozambique is a tropical country. I am more concerned about the question of commercial viability. The project will only be replicable on a larger scale and sustainable in the long term if, after initial start-up costs, every link in the value chain has an incentive to participate and it is profitable for all concerned (i.e. the anticipated gains should outweigh the expected costs, including the opportunity cost of doing something else). a) Inputs: Local farmers will have an incentive to supply the biofuel production facility with feedstock only if prices paid and quantities required by the production facility are stable and remunerative compared to undertaking other activities, such as growing other crops for other purposes. b) Production: Local entrepreneurs will have an incentive to make investments in biofuel production facilities and operate and maintain those facilities only if they can sell their fuel at a remunerative price, i.e. if they can compete against fossil fuels (whether locally, nationally, regionally or globally, depending on the scale of production). c) Demand: We know that the world market for biofuels is growing rapidly and that the policy environment is becoming extremely favourable. However, supposing, as is most likely to be the case, that local biofuel is most competitive on the local market (and least competitive on the global market, where it has to compete with industrial-scale production), there must be a critical mass of buyers on that market, i.e. local communities must have the desire / ability to invest in machines, vehicles or generators, and the ability to pay for biofuel on a regular basis to run
[Biofuel] 45 gallons of cream(part 2)
Just a note from my last post. I took the temp of my failure to 140F and then had a brainwave to add more methanol. I added 4 liters to the 45 gallons. I had almost imediate separation down to about 4 from the top. A thin layer also was floating on top. Any ideas? Brent ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars?
Dear Ethanol users, The below information (re: modifications to car to run on ethanol) is incorrect in my experience. I live in Brazil and I export conversion kit (petrol to ethanol) to Australia. Kits in Australia are being used in both vehicles manufactured by both Holden (GM) and Ford. Here in Brazil the kits are used in Fiats, VW's, GM's, Ford's, Nissan, Honda's, etc, etc. with NO modifications; that is on MULTI POINT fuel injection vehicles. These included 4, 6 and 8 cylinder cars. There is no need to increase the compression of petrol engines vehicles produced in the past 5 years or so. The new engines in car produced today have higher compression ratings than in the past. Not as high as the flex power engines, but higher than previous petrol engines. There will be a need to change the fuel pump at some stage (2 to 5 years) as the ethanol corrodes the copper used on the bushes of the pump. The ethanol pumps use graphite instead of copper, and silver wires instead of copper wires. It costs about US$ 50. There are over 100,000 petrol vehicles in Brazil which have been fitted with kits to allow them to run on 100% ethanol or any mixture of petrol / ethanol; and I am not referring to the ` flex-powered vehicles' being manufactured by Ford, Gm, Fiat, VW, etc. I am referring to after market installed kits. I wouldn't bother trying to change a carburetor based engine, these engines were always a hassle for cold starting even here in Brasil where it is quite warm (compared to Canada) all year round, and where the big car amnufacturers here producing 100's of thousands of units. The conversion kits can come with small ptrol tanks (1 litre) which is used for cold starting. Skipper - Original Message - From: Luis Eduardo Puerto To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars? Hey Robert Luis, thank you very much for your answer man Now I understand the implications of ethanol. Until next. Luis Eduardo Puerto wrote: I don't know very much of E85 or E100, I know that in Brazil it is being produced in big quantities as well as in USA. I don't know where exactly you can get it in Canada.It's not available here, at least on the west coast. We have a company that blends a small percentage of ethanol into its gasoline, but I'm sure it's no better than E 10. I have a question, for what type of cars is etahnol appropriate??? Can it be used with any car at all??Any car that runs gasoline will be able to use ethanol. Older models require replacing rubber parts in the fuel system, changes to the carburetor jets, and some sort of fuel preheating device for cold weather. Newer, fuel injected vehicles sold in North America may have ethanol resistant parts from the factory, but cannot run ethanol blends greater than 50% without changes to the injector pulse width. This makes ethanol conversion more difficult for the average person. I know that biodiesel only suits diesel engines with no modification required, but the ethanol I don't know its implications. If anybody can explain it to me I will be glad to know. Unlike biodiesel, the fuel system in a gasoline engine MUST be modified to run ethanol. It would also be helpful to increase compression pressure by some means, if ethanol will be the primary fuel.robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782Ranger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __Correo Yahoo!Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined
Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars and motorcycles
Wow, cool. Thats really interesting, i'm big into engines and mechcanics in general. Will 6HP be enough, or by motorcycle do you mean large scooter? What about gearing? what bike are you planning on putting it in? - Original Message - From: Busyditch To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars and motorcycles Ha I guess this is called Synchronicity. I just won this diesel engine onebay and plan on installing it in a motorcycle frame. I do not have a donorbike yet, but I do have some ideas.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=29520item=4367731706rd=1- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:46 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars and motorcycles todd, that's awesome! curiously, i've been pondering this very concept--a diesel-powered motorbike--recently. i figured it had to have been done somewhere by someone. best fo luck! -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate
Ha, very true. It is quite annoying that the American public is so blinded by television that if they tell you there's no mad cow you better believe it. I fear it is also this sense of American bravado that says, it won't happen to us, we're American. People have already forgotten we said that on September 10th 2001. So many people, so few of them with minds. Ryan - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bush wants to shift global warming debate Mike, It is an excellent example on how it goes, when you try to hide and not acknowledge that the mad cow decease hit US a long time ago. Not being able to keep the balance is a clear sign. Cannibalism is also recognized as a root cause. I am not saying that Bush is one of the victims, probably not, since the mad cow decease is a degeneration of brain cells and without them, no mad cow decease. Hakan At 11:49 PM 7/5/2005, you wrote: OK, I've been a little preoccupied lately and haven't been able to contributions to recent discussions. However, one of Kieth's recent posts caught my attention. Please allow me to vent. ...I'm quoting parts of Kieth's post in reverse order. My hope is -- and I think the hope of Tony Blair is -- to move beyond the Kyoto debate and to collaborate on new technologies that will enable the United States and other countries to diversify away from fossil fuels so that the air will be cleaner and that we have the economic and national security that comes from less dependence on foreign sources of oil, Bush said. Bush spoke of his administration's investment of $20 billion (16.55 billion euros) in developing hydrogen-powered vehicles, zero-emission power stations and other technology. Bush's position shifts like the tide -- like a tide resulting from global warming and which might swallow Bangladesh. He starts out with ...away from fossil fuels..., then differentiates who's fossil fuels with ...less dependence on foreign sources of oil. Finally, (In an earlier statement) he spoke of his administrations $20 billion investment in hydrogen powered vehicles, demonstrating his steadfast commitment to oil interests. He wants to project concern toward (only the most uneducated) environmentalists with a technology that addresses the storage of energy and not sustainable resources for conversion. At the same time, he chooses a cause which the oil industry can actively participate. Finally, a low emphasis on greenhouse gas emissions is an invitation for some companies to manufacture green products with no regard to the manufacturing processes and how it contributes to global warming -- thus, defeating the purpose. I think I need to throw up now. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
Hello Rich I think that trees are a (renewable) resource that should be harvested. Yes, but how? Good ways and bad ways... there are some interesting discussions (and arguments) about this in the list archives. Otherwise, trees, like other resources, will get depleted, no matter the quantity of trees. The more there is of the resource, the more time it takes to deplete it and the more the hurt after it is gone. I ordered this fascinating book Les Methodes Jean Pain ou Un Autre Jardin (The Jean Pain Methods or Another Garden) from www.jean-pain.com (in French) that does just that. It can be ordered using Paypal, among other payment methods. Tree harvesting. removing dead branches, shred them and compost them. Removing dead branches has the added benefit of reducing wild fire risk. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#pain Biofuels Library - Journey to Forever Jean Pain: France's King of Green Gold http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#treecrops Small Farms Library - Journey to Forever Tree Crops: A Permanent Agriculture by J. Russell Smith The Overstory, Agroforestry Net, Inc. http://www.overstory.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hard to say where the truth is in all of this debate regarding cutting trees. In Canada forest is one of our largest natural .ahemresources. Currently more forest area is lost to natural causes than logging. Trees are renewable and the lumber industry now replants more trees than it takes. The ecological impact is not a clear cut issue (pardon the pun). Granted a mature forest supports a different ecology than a second growth but for instance studies have shown that there is more food for bears in a clearcut zone than there is in a mature forest. I can vouch for this and the proof is in the sheer number of bears I have seen in clearcut areas in the province of British Columbia vs old growth areas. Clear cutting is still bad for what it does to soil retention on slopes but consider that a mature forest WILL burn eventually one hot dry summer during an electrical storm and all the lumber will have gone to waste and a lot of CO2 and particulate would have gone into the air. I have also been told that trees contibute relatively little oxygen to our atmosphere compared to the majority which comes from algae in the sea. Is this true? I've not verified it. Surely in a place like Canada using lumber makes sense from the perspective of localization vs globalization. Steel mills and recycling foundaries are few and far apart and require energy and transportation over long distances. The lumber industry uses heavy equipment for sure but there are thousands of saw mills that can process lumber right where it is cut and it can be used there as well. Lumber will not disappear any time soon as a building material. If logging was banned here construction companies would look for imported lumber possibly imported from regions where lack of environmental standards and logging practices are much more damaging to the earth. What is really needed is to put the brakes on the pervasive need for expansion that our capitalist system requires in order to sustain itself. I don't know what can replace it but I have a feeling we are going to find out in the next decade or so. We'll replace it. There may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States and world public opinion. - The New York Times http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030414s=schell The Other Superpower | Jonathan Schell Best wishes Keith Joe Chris wrote: Todd, of course you are correct that energy is used to recycle steel. However, no more land is strip mined, and no new land is disturbed to bury the old broken washing machine that got melted down. Were the electricity generated in a sustainable way, it would be all good. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel? Something that requires a boatload of fossil fuels to smelt, sheet and press. Nice thing about renewables. They're renewable. And to a very large they do it in a carbon neutral way without much interference from humans. Todd Swearingen. Josephine Wee wrote: To Nancy Canning: We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel? thanks. - Original Message - *From:* Nancy Canning mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:51 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? what about recycled tires. filled with dirt, then covered with stucco. Makes a mighty good building and is being used all over
