Re: 3022 is awesome

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Friday, October 29, 2004, 01:23, Michael L. Wilson wrote:
> I love the bat!  I love 3.0.2.2.  It is fast, stable and wonderful.

Confirmed, too. :)

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 7:59:07 PM [GMT -0500], Arjan De
Groot wrote:

> Then set the release version to leave messages on the server.

Don't worry about him. :)

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Mic Cullen]

At 19:37 [GMT+0200] on Thursday October 28 (actual time - 1:37am on Friday in
Perth, Western Australia), you wrote:

[snips]

>>> Then, don't volunteer to beta test. Period. :)

>> Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does
>> it.

Alexander> But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program,
Alexander> aye?

Depends. It's not like official releases are much different.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Bill McCarthy]

On Thu 28-Oct-04 10:04pm -0400, Nick Andriash wrote:

> On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 8:02:50 PM, Tony wrote:

>> Can't say I agree with anything you wrote, this is
>> about the best, fastest and so far, most efficient
>> and capable version I've used for years.

> Perhaps, but there are an awful lot of users such as
> myself who are unable to even close The Bat, so I
> would have to say that for us it's not the best.

There are a few annoying problems with the beta, such
as not properly updating the virtual folders -
particularly for those of us who read our mail with
ctrl-right_arrow (you find yourself reading mail you've
already read).

But this close problem, which I've hit twice after
repeatedly testing for it, doesn't appear to be a big
deal.  Closing TB! is something I don't do very often -
perhaps once every week or two - usually it's when a
new beta comes out :-)  [Note: if you close down every
night, as I do, use standby or hibernate.]

Also, I've always been able to close with the Task
Manager on both the 2 times it happened during that
testing.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Nick Andriash]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 8:02:50 PM, Tony wrote:

> Can't say I agree with anything you wrote, this is about the best, fastest
>  and so far, most efficient and capable version I've used for years.

Perhaps, but there are an awful lot of users such as myself who are unable
to even close The Bat, so I would have to say that for us it's not the best.



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Re: 3022 is awesome

[Leif Gregory]

Hi Michael,

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, at 16:23:18 [GMT -0700] (which was 5:23 PM where
I live) you wrote:
MLW> I love the bat! I love 3.0.2.2. It is fast, stable and wonderful.
MLW> I have tested it on three machines, all different brands, with no
MLW> problems. Wonderful release.

Confirmed.



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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Arjan de Groot]

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:16:49 +0200, MAU wrote:

>>Set the test client to leave messages on the server.

>No, because if I do I will _not_ be using my normal working
>environment as I never leave messages on server.

Then set the release version to leave messages on the server.


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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Arjan de Groot]

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:19:32 +0200, MAU wrote:

>I know _I_ am taking a risk by doing what I describe in my
>reply to Allie ,
>but how else can I test TB with all the accounts, filters,
>templates, QTs, etc., that I normally use for my work?

You could do that:

1) by running The Beta! version simultaneously on another
machine (just like I did until I got fed up with it).
2) by running The Beta! version simultaneously on the same
machine, but as an independent program.

This should not be very hard to understand.


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Re[2]: current NOD32 plugin

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Wednesday, October 13, 2004, Miroslav Florensen wrote:

> http://bat-mail.de.vu/download.html » PlugIns » Anti-Virus PlugIns » NOD 32

> [94 KB] http://thebat.orgavision.de/zip/nod32.zip

this is very old version, last one can be downloaded here for example:

http://www.thebat.cz/stazeni/beta/nod32.rar (50kB)

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Re: 3022 is awesome

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roelof!

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 6:29 PM, you wrote:

MLW>> I love the bat!  I love 3.0.2.2.  It is fast, stable and wonderful.

RO> Confirmed.

Confirmed.

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Re: 3022 is awesome

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Michael,

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:23:18 -0700GMT (29-10-2004, 1:23 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MLW> I love the bat!  I love 3.0.2.2.  It is fast, stable and wonderful.

Confirmed.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo MAU,

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:16:49 +0200GMT (29-10-2004, 1:16 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>> Set the test client to leave messages on the server.

M> No, because if I do I will _not_ be using my normal working environment
M> as I never leave messages on server.

I know you're using Mercury as mail server and I'm not familiar with
it, but my mail server enables me to send copies to an archive (I can
set the archive to automatically expire to any period). I've been
using Mailtraq for years now, but most mail servers I've tried in the
past had a similar feature.

M> Anyway, don't worry about me.

I won't. ;-)

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Zygmunt Wereszczynski]

On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 19:06:42 [UTC-0400] (Friday, October 29,
2004 01:06 my local time) Peter Gannushkin wrote:

M>> Yes, I understood it has to do with LCD monitors. But I have an LCD
M>> monitor and had never heard about it, therefore my question. And, as I
M>> can see in the link you provided, it is only available on XP.

> As far as I remember, it worked on Win2K as well. Just try google
> ClearType and see if it will work for you.

It was very short response from Microsoft on such question:

Q. Does Microsoft plan to provide an update to enable ClearType on Windows
   2000, Windows NT, Windows ME or Windows 9x?
A. No.

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3022 is awesome

[Michael L. Wilson]

TB BETA ERS,

I love the bat!  I love 3.0.2.2.  It is fast, stable and wonderful.  I
have tested it on three machines, all different brands, with no
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Re: 3022 is awfull

[MAU]

Hello Allie,

> Set the test client to leave messages on the server.

No, because if I do I will _not_ be using my normal working environment
as I never leave messages on server.

Anyway, don't worry about me. There have been times in the past, and may
be in the future, that I do not engage in beta testing. But when I do,
_I_ decide to do so and _I_ decide to take the risk. Also, if normally
just do a daily backup, while I am beta testing I may easily set my
Second Copy 2000 to backup TB several times a day.

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hello MAU,


>> Something specific to LCD monitors.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypeInfo.mspx

M> Yes, I understood it has to do with LCD monitors. But I have an LCD
M> monitor and had never heard about it, therefore my question. And, as I
M> can see in the link you provided, it is only available on XP.

As far as I remember, it worked on Win2K as well. Just try google
ClearType and see if it will work for you.

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Re: Has "Recipient" definition changed in v3.0.2.2?

[MAU]

Hello Max,

> These changes are probably related to the recently fixed bug:
> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3928

I thought about it, but that report _clearly_ refers to 'Header Field'
condition. Anyway, let's wait and see if 9Val says something.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Tony Boom]

Hello Alexander,

  A reminder of what Alexander S. Kunz typed on:
  28 October 2004 at 19:36:55 GMT +0200

ASK> But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program,
ASK> aye?

 With all due respect, it doesn't solve the problem. Beta testing involves
 finding problems and reporting them. If we all stuck to public releases
 there would be no new versions and if there was they'd be full of holes and
 bugs. There would be a very long time in between new versions if all
 testing were left to the developers.

 Granted people shouldn't moan about them all the time but there you go,
 such is life :)

 Just for the record, 3022 has been running on the other PC all day,
 starting up and shutting down with not a single problem. 3022 is absolutely
 perfect, don't know what your all moaning about :)


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Re: SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 03:53 PM, MAU wrote:

> Not really. When I get a new program I usually try to see what it
> can do and what options it has but PowerPro has so many! I
> learnt enough to write a few keyboard macros and add some buttons
> and menus to TB and then forgot all about it.

That's been my approach as well. I learn and use on a need to know and
use basis. :)

> No, I don't mind if you don't mind paying for a beer each time ;-)
> Anyway, believe what I say above. There are "thousands" of things
> and options about PowerPro that I have never tried.

Sure. I didn't really expect you to know all about PowerPro. All I
personally use it for at the moment, is for executing keyboard macros.
That's it. I see you have some experience with debugging these macros.
That's all. I'm not necessarily expecting exhaustive knowledge. :)

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 04:19 PM, MAU wrote:

> Maxxx, I understand what you want. But I think that if you want to
> beta test you _have_ to take some risk and use the software in a
> real working environment. I know _I_ am taking a risk by doing what
> I describe in my reply to Allie
> , but how else can I
> test TB with all the accounts, filters, templates, QTs, etc., that I
> normally use for my work?

Prepare the other installation and then overwrite that alternative
installation directory with the contents of your regular install. You
now have parallel installations that are configured the same way. Set
the test client to leave messages on the server.

When one install is getting significantly different to the other, do
another overwrite. The registry settings aren't really that important
to the working of either installs. It's as you say, those templates
and filters which aren't stored in the registry.

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Re: Has "Recipient" definition changed in v3.0.2.2?

[Max Shirshin]

Hello MAU,

These changes are probably related to the recently fixed bug:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3928

Maybe the fix was achieved by changing the meaning of "Recipient"?

I can't test it on my machine because I still use the release
version...

M> I have a number of filters that check on "Recipient contains..."
M> conditions. These filters have been working for ages with OFS and as
M> automatically converted to NFS a couple of months ago, with no problem
M> until this beta. Today I have noticed some messages were not sorted to
M> proper folder and remained in Inbox. I have traced the problem to the
M> (apparent) fact that they fail if the e-mail address is on the CC: field
M> and work fine if in the To: field. While, as I have said above, these
M> used to work whether the email address was in the To or CC fields.

M> Like I say, I always understood "Recipient" to mean To or CC fields and
M> it has been working like this for years.

M> Are the failures I've seen today due to a bug or is it that the
M> 'definition' of Recipient has been changed and it now means _only_ To:?

M> I certainly hope it is a bug. I know I can change my filters to use
M> Header Field To: OR Header Field CC:, but that is not the point. I think
M> that changing now what Recipient has always meant in the OFS and in all
M> betas and 2 release versions with NFS would be a mistake and an
M> unnecessary change.

M> 9Val?




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Re: CC tends to get stuck while using both IMAP and POP3

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 04:52 PM, Roelof Otten
wrote:

> I've been trying IMAP for a while and I was not very enthusiastic
> about the behaviour of the CC.

.. explanation of problem snipped for brevity.

> These events were reproducible with 3.0.1.33, 3.0.2.1 and 3.0.2.2
> However, after deleting my IMAP account, I don't have any problems
> any more. Kept TB running overnight, mail collection went fine,
> closing TB went fine (I was running the infamous 3.0.2.2)

> Don't know whether it is the combination of a POP3 and IMAP
> accounts, both were using SMTP with authentication.

I have both IMAP and SMTP accounts here. I can't say that I've had any
problems with mail collection, though my wish on which account to keep
active is the reverse. I keep the IMAP accounts active while the POP3
accounts are just there and never poll for mail.

> I'm using BayesFilter 1.5.6 and AVG 7.0 plug-in, as I'm keeping my
> AVG up to date, I guess I've got the latest plug-in. ;-)

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 04:03 PM, Peter Gannushkin
wrote:

> Something specific to LCD monitors.
> http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypeInfo.mspx

Though designed for LCD monitors, it makes a great difference on CRT
monitors. I couldn't do without it while using my last CRT monitor. It
made the fonts so much richer in appearance. The difference was just
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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Roelof,

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:02:22 +0200GMT (29-10-2004, 0:02 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

PG>> Look at those screenshots. When the email is created on the computer
PG>> with the LCD monitor TB! starts to screw up part of the status bar. If
PG>> I start clicking to the, lets say, "English" area of it, then the text
PG>> on the block type, cursor mode, account name and the character set
PG>> will be getting more and more weird. However if I change any of those
PG>> setting by clicking on them then the bar will switch back to normal.

RO> Can't confirm.

Enabled ClearType, definitely don't like it, but can confirm the bug.

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Re: Bug 3.0.2.2 (Rush): Virtual folders not updating

[MAU]

Hello Peter,

>  In this and in at least one previous version, TB! does not update
>  read/unread status for VFs. They have been set as Auto Update - but
>  they still show as bolded after the messages they contain have been
>  read in their original/real folders. On Esc all is OK.

Confirmed here.

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Peter,

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:22:05 -0400GMT (28-10-2004, 17:22 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

PG> Look at those screenshots. When the email is created on the computer
PG> with the LCD monitor TB! starts to screw up part of the status bar. If
PG> I start clicking to the, lets say, "English" area of it, then the text
PG> on the block type, cursor mode, account name and the character set
PG> will be getting more and more weird. However if I change any of those
PG> setting by clicking on them then the bar will switch back to normal.

Can't confirm.

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[MAU]

Hello Peter,

>>> Have you tried disabling ClearType?
>> What is "ClearType", something specific to XP?
> 
> Something specific to LCD monitors.
> http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypeInfo.mspx

Yes, I understood it has to do with LCD monitors. But I have an LCD
monitor and had never heard about it, therefore my question. And, as I
can see in the link you provided, it is only available on XP.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tim,

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:16:27 -0400GMT (28-10-2004, 4:16 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

TC>   This is the worst I have seen.

Can't confirm. I absolutely love it. Starts fast, exits as a breeze. I
don't use any VF's though and I read that they're not functioning
optimally.

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CC tends to get stuck while using both IMAP and POP3

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo tbbeta,

  I've been trying IMAP for a while and I was not very enthusiastic
  about the behaviour of the CC. Mind that I was using both POP3 and
  IMAP to the same server over my LAN.
  I could check mail for both accounts without any troubles, exit
  afterwards without getting stuck as long as I set the CC 'show
  automatically', when I told it to hide my TB wouldn't exit properly.
  Didn't try 'show always' now that I think of it.
  I've configured my system to go blank after 30 minutes, when I
  access it after that time I have to choose what account I want to
  use.
  After going blank, the CC would stop collecting messages on pop3,
  that could be without any message being collected (the CC would show
  only the IMAP account being online) or while it was collecting POP3
  messages.
  As I was merely receiving duplicates in my IMAP account, I tried not
  to activate the IMAP connection (I had it set to connect when
  selecting the account), but even then my CC got stuck during POP3
  handling.
  These events were reproducible with 3.0.1.33, 3.0.2.1 and 3.0.2.2
  However, after deleting my IMAP account, I don't have any problems
  any more. Kept TB running overnight, mail collection went fine,
  closing TB went fine (I was running the infamous 3.0.2.2)

  Don't know whether it is the combination of a POP3 and IMAP
  accounts, both were using SMTP with authentication. And even when
  the POP3 collection got stuck, my POP3 account could send perfectly.

  I'm using BayesFilter 1.5.6 and AVG 7.0 plug-in, as I'm keeping my
  AVG up to date, I guess I've got the latest plug-in. ;-)

  Any confirmations, comments?

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Has "Recipient" definition changed in v3.0.2.2?

[MAU]

Hello all,

I have a number of filters that check on "Recipient contains..."
conditions. These filters have been working for ages with OFS and as
automatically converted to NFS a couple of months ago, with no problem
until this beta. Today I have noticed some messages were not sorted to
proper folder and remained in Inbox. I have traced the problem to the
(apparent) fact that they fail if the e-mail address is on the CC: field
and work fine if in the To: field. While, as I have said above, these
used to work whether the email address was in the To or CC fields.

Like I say, I always understood "Recipient" to mean To or CC fields and
it has been working like this for years.

Are the failures I've seen today due to a bug or is it that the
'definition' of Recipient has been changed and it now means _only_ To:?

I certainly hope it is a bug. I know I can change my filters to use
Header Field To: OR Header Field CC:, but that is not the point. I think
that changing now what Recipient has always meant in the OFS and in all
betas and 2 release versions with NFS would be a mistake and an
unnecessary change.

9Val?

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Beta testing (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo MaXxX,

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:55:34 +0200GMT (28-10-2004, 19:55 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

M> I'm asking for a way to make betatesting easier, as it was for the
M> short time between introducing the /REG parameter and turning to MSI
M> installations.

Well, you could always configure another user account in Windows 2000
and do a second install. I realize that that might not be the optimal
solution for you, but IMO beta testing should be done with a working
configuration as beta testing should be testing whether the thing
works in everyday use.
Since everybody need to make his own decisions about running his/her
system, you and I are entitled to different opinions on how to run
tests.
Never mind the cookie though. ;-)

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Re: Question about Virtual Folders

[MAU]

Hello Stuart,

> BTW I noticed you have no references in your reply. Is this by design.
> It did not thread on my end.

Look at his message headers:

> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[MAU]

Hello MaXxX,

>> Then, don't volunteer to beta test. Period. :)
> 
> Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does
> it.

Maxxx, I understand what you want. But I think that if you want to beta
test you _have_ to take some risk and use the software in a real working
environment. I know _I_ am taking a risk by doing what I describe in my
reply to Allie , but how
else can I test TB with all the accounts, filters, templates, QTs, etc.,
that I normally use for my work?

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Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 9Val wrote:

> The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available from
> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

> Here is a short list of changes:

and

[+] Confirmation dialog for opening/replying more than 10 messages

:-)

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Re[2]: 3022 is awfull

[Tim Casten]

Hello Alexander,

Thursday, October 28, 2004, 1:37:51 PM, you wrote:

> But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program,
> aye?

You are absolutely right they don't unless the company releases a beta
product as an official release, as we have recently experienced.

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Re[2]: 3022 is awfull

[Tim Casten]

Hello Allie,

Thursday, October 28, 2004, 6:07:45 AM, you wrote:

> You're using the backup utility to create backups that you restore from?

This was a backup that I had about 2 weeks ago.

> I've never done a complete uninstall of TB! since using it in 1999. I've
> usually just switched executables. If I have a problem with the new one,
> I replace it with the one I was using before. The beta download consists
> of just the program executable. I rename the one I was using and then
> place the beta in the installation directory. I then try it. If I'm not
> happy, I just delete it and rename the old executable back to the right
> name.

I do the same, however this time when I went back to beta 19
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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hi MAU,


>> Have you tried disabling ClearType?
> What is "ClearType", something specific to XP?

Something specific to LCD monitors.
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypeInfo.mspx

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Re: Threading and Sorting Problem

[MAU]

Hello Stuart,

>   I normally read my tbbeta using Thread by Reference and sort by
>   Created in Reverse order. I just noticed that my sorting seemed a
>   bit odd so I just checked. Even though the little arrow in the
>   header bar was pointing up in the Created column when I checked in
>   Manage Viewmodes it showed Sort by Subject. Changing this to Sort by
>   Created seems to have fixed things, but it seems an odd way for
>   things to work. Any one else see something different depicted in
>   the two areas.

I also use Threading by Reference and sorting by Created, but I have not
seen the problem you describe.

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[MAU]

Hello Alexander,

> Have you tried disabling ClearType?

What is "ClearType", something specific to XP?

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Re: SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)

[MAU]

Hello Allie,

> Hmmm. You're into PowerPro, aren't you? ;)

Not really. When I get a new program I usually try to see what it can do
and what options it has but PowerPro has so many! I learnt enough to
write a few keyboard macros and add some buttons and menus to TB and
then forgot all about it.

> I'll have a look at that and contact you off-list in case of problems.
> You seem like a good fella to get some assistance with on this one.
> Hope you don't mind. ;)

No, I don't mind if you don't mind paying for a beer each time ;-)
Anyway, believe what I say above. There are "thousands" of things and
options about PowerPro that I have never tried.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Tony Boom]

Hello Mary,

  I meant to comment on this point before but went to get a cuppa and
  forgot.


  A reminder of what Mary Bull typed on:
  28 October 2004 at 18:38:35 GMT +0200

MB> Do, but from all the information we've gathered so far, I'm beginning
MB> to suspect some effect of ISP's on the Connection Centre.

 One of my ISP's use authentication for both send and receive, the other
 doesn't, just receive. So wether that's a valid point or not I wouldn't
 know.


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Re: SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,

> PowerPro » Configuration » [Tab Setup] » Advanced setup... » [Tab Other]
>  » [ ] Use fast send keys

I have that option selected. Probably it was set by default but I don't
remember. Anyway, my last tweak of PWP was as described in my message to
Allie 

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Tony Boom]

Hello Mary,

  A reminder of what Mary Bull typed on:
  28 October 2004 at 18:38:35 GMT +0200

MB> Tony, do you think this behavior could be ISP related? I had a lot of
MB> trouble with my ISP on Tuesday.

 Don't really know Mary, I collect mail from two providers, NTL who I get
 Broad Band access from `and 1&1 who host my domain name, I have a email
 account with both and I'm having no problems with either.

 TB seems to run faster on this Laptop than it does the desktop but that's a
 processor issue, not a Bat issue. 3022 runs perfectly fine on both of them.
 I was going to try it on my Wifes Celeron but I bought Adobe Premiere
 Elements today to go with my Digital Video camera so I've been playing with
 that instead.

 There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it, it seems to have
 affected all types of machine, processor type and OS so I don't know what
 to try next. All the PC's here came with XP installed so I have no other OS
 to try it on... Trying it on the SuSE box wouldn't be a fair comparison I
 don't think.

 Like someone suggested earlier, it may be a conflict with another
 application, one that you and I don't use. Don't fancy listing every bit of
 software on this PC to test the theory though :)

 Either way, I don't think people should get moody or fall out over it, that
 won't solve anything.

 I've been away all summer and I've come back to "Crash, Bang, Wallop",
 think I'll go back to TBOT, they're more friendly on there!

 Just a JOKE, I don't mean it :)

 

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Running multiple instances of TB (was 3022 is awfull)

[MikeD (3)]

Hello hggdh,

Thursday, October 28, 2004, 1:29:38 PM, you wrote:

h> My own twopence: Yes, moving on to MSIs hase made testing betas much
h> more difficult. And, yes, RL should help on this. And, YES, MaXxX is
h> within reason with his request.

h> And, now that I understand MaXxX's problem better, I do agree that RL
h> should provide something that will allow two instances of TB! to be
h> used. With due care -- for example, by setting the second (beta) one
h> *not* to delete POP3 messages from teh server, one would be able even
h> to concurrently run the "production" and the beta without impact. Of
h> course, this still requires one to  duplicate the message base, but
h> this (I think) is a small problem.

h> And, again I stress, it is up to RL to state HOW to do this.

I have not tried this recently with TB (I use a separate machine for
my testing these days), but here is something that has worked in the
past for some programs.

I will assume that the initial install is in C:/pgm-files/TheBat and
the data is in C:/docs/TheBat.  Rename those two directories to
something like "OldBat" then install the new Beta version.  Assume it
is set up to use the same two directories, C:/pgm-files/TheBat and
C:/docs/TheBat.  Fine.  Now all you need are two batch files.  These
will remane the associated directories.

So Use-Old.bat will rename C:/pgm-files/TheBat to C:/pgm-files/BetaBat
and C:/docs/TheBat to C:/docs/BetaBat then rename C:/pgm-files/OldBat
to C:/pgm-files/TheBat and C:/docs/OldBat back to C:/docs/TheBat.

And Use-Beta.bat will rename C:/pgm-files/TheBat to C:/pgm-files/OldBat
and C:/docs/TheBat to C:/docs/OldBat then rename C:/pgm-files/BetaBat
to C:/pgm-files/TheBat and C:/docs/BetaBat back to C:/docs/TheBat.

To be safe, I would put tests that would make sure that the
directories were in the appropriate configuration for the requested
change or display a message.

You could not run both at the same time this way (dangerous in any
event) but gives you an easy way to switch between the two that should
not have problems ... unless there are incompatible registry entries.
In which case you could set about to "fix" those, but that is more
difficult and risky.  I have found the separate install on a "test
machine" to be much safer.

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Re: Threading and Sorting Problem

[Mary Bull]

Hello Stuart!

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 1:43 PM, you wrote:

SC>   I normally read my tbbeta using Thread by Reference and sort by
SC>   Created in Reverse order. I just noticed that my sorting seemed a
SC>   bit odd so I just checked. Even though the little arrow in the
SC>   header bar was pointing up in the Created column when I checked in
SC>   Manage Viewmodes it showed Sort by Subject. Changing this to Sort by
SC>   Created seems to have fixed things, but it seems an odd way for
SC>   things to work. Any one else see something different depicted in
SC>   the two areas.

Yes. Options/Preferences/Messages/View Modes had different settings
from both my column names and my View drop-down menu, when I first
found out the Preferences setting fields were there. (That's where the
"Manage View Modes" option in the right-click context menu takes you
to, at least, here, it is.)

This was back when I had the puzzling non-stick behavior in the
drop-down menu on my mind.

I filled in the fields in Preferences to correspond with my preferred
viewing style, Sort by Received time in descending order, View Threads
by None. Now everything matches and the match between column names and
the Preferences fields has been stable.

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Re: Ctrl-/ is not working

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 09:58 AM, Peter Gannushkin
wrote:

> Apparently Stefan as promised changed the Ctrl-[, Ctrl-] and Ctrl-\
> behaviors, but at the same time Ctrl-/ was just dropped out. It does
> nothing now. Hope it will be restored soon.

I use CTRL-] routinely to move from new message to new message here.
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Threading and Sorting Problem

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello tbbeta,

  I normally read my tbbeta using Thread by Reference and sort by
  Created in Reverse order. I just noticed that my sorting seemed a
  bit odd so I just checked. Even though the little arrow in the
  header bar was pointing up in the Created column when I checked in
  Manage Viewmodes it showed Sort by Subject. Changing this to Sort by
  Created seems to have fixed things, but it seems an odd way for
  things to work. Any one else see something different depicted in
  the two areas.

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Re: SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros

[Thomas Woelk]

* MAU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> If you use keyboard stroke macros the problems may come from different
> processor speeds. [...]In same cases I even had to include a /wait/
> command [...]

PowerPro » Configuration » [Tab Setup] » Advanced setup... » [Tab Other]
 » [ ] Use fast send keys

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Re: Feature wish- allow user to permanently permit session with "incomplete" SSL/TLS server certs

[hggdh]

Hello Army,

Tuesday, October 26, 2004, 21:58:41, you wrote:

AR> Hello hggdh,

AR> Sunday, October 24, 2004, 5:46:31 PM, you wrote:

(HUGE snip)

I did not forget you... I just need time to read it all & answer ;-)

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[hggdh]

Hello George,

Thursday, October 28, 2004, 12:45:28, you wrote:

GMM> Thursday, October 28, 2004, 8:42:35 PM, George M. Menegakis wrote:

>> beta test must take the decision and the implicit risk.

GMM> s/test/tester

ahhh, an UNIX user... Good. I was thinking I was alone here :-)

s/test/tester/

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[hggdh]

Hello Allie,

Thursday, October 28, 2004, 12:40:49, you wrote:

AM> On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Alexander S.
AM> Kunz wrote:

>> But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test
>> program, aye?

AM> Why not stop this? MaXXX wants to beta test. He just wishes to beta
AM> test without having to use his working installation as the beta test
AM> bed.

AM> He's looking for and asking for an easy way to run another
AM> installation in parallel to the one he relies on for day to day work.

AM> Prior to MSI installations, it was OK, but there are little glitches
AM> now that he mentioned. I don't find his concerns unreasonable. Clearly
AM> Ritlabs did too and offered something before.


My own twopence: Yes, moving on to MSIs hase made testing betas much
more difficult. And, yes, RL should help on this. And, YES, MaXxX is
within reason with his request.

And, now that I understand MaXxX's problem better, I do agree that RL
should provide something that will allow two instances of TB! to be
used. With due care -- for example, by setting the second (beta) one
*not* to delete POP3 messages from teh server, one would be able even
to concurrently run the "production" and the beta without impact. Of
course, this still requires one to  duplicate the message base, but
this (I think) is a small problem.

And, again I stress, it is up to RL to state HOW to do this.

I am still right on what I said earlier, but I now think I was too
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Re[2]: Question about Virtual Folders

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Nick,
Thursday, October 28, 2004, 9:12:46 AM, you wrote:

>>Have you tried compressing the original folders to clear out the  
>>remains of the original messages?

NA> All my Folders are set to compress automatically each time TB closes.

Have you tried going through folder maintenance. Maybbe there are
errors in the bases.

BTW I noticed you have no references in your reply. Is this by design.
It did not thread on my end.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Alexander!

On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 8:08:53 PM you wrote:

> It depends on the definition of "beta", and how to use it (as it was
> already stated here).

Couldn't we just agree on "everybody using beta as he likes"?

Corollary: ... at his own risk.




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Re: MailTicker and filtered messages

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Martin,

on Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:55:11 +0200GMT, you wrote:

MS> Seems new problem in 3.0.2.2:

MS> I have set several filters to move message to folders when they
MS> arrive. For these folder I have disabled the MailTicker on new
MS> messages - but not for the Inbox.

MS> Now: The message arrives at first in Inbox, the filer moves it to
MS> the folder - but the MailTicker shows new messages - because the
MS> mail was first in Inbox.

MS> It's not what I want.

It is probably related to the automatic refresh of Virtual Folders,
that doesn't work in this version.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Allie Martin & everyone else

28-Okt-2004 19:40, you wrote:

> He's looking for and asking for an easy way to run another installation
> in parallel to the one he relies on for day to day work.

It depends on the definition of "beta", and how to use it (as it was
already stated here). I remember the days when I tested different email
programs. Setting the one I tested to leave mails on the server while at
the same time carefully watching to not accidentally use the "productive"
other program (that is set to delete mails from the server), and whatnot...
personally, I find a parallel installation is just not usable for anything
else but "some testing". I for one wouldn't find the time to test in a
"real" environment, if I weren't using my normal & everyday installation.

Thus, I create backups & I revert to the previous version by exchanging the
executable again easily. No harm done. And yes, I've had damaged message
bases during the v3.01 beta cycle (but I never knew if it was the beta or
something else that wrecked havoc), but it doesn't worry me because I'm
using TB only for my private mails. Personally, I wouldn't use beta
versions in a productive environment (I had that once with the XPSP2 RC's,
and I'm cured, really).

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Mary Bull]

Hello MaXxX!

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 12:55 PM, you wrote:

M> I don't like this scenario one bit.

MaXxX, I don't like it either, as your contributions are very, very
valuable.

With Allie, I say that you make perfect sense.

All that needs dead-horsing is the series of attacks suggesting that
your request is unreasonable and suggesting for you to "like it or
leave it" in regard to the present beta-testing set-up.

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Re: Ctrl-/ is not working

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hi Allie,

>> Apparently Stefan as promised changed the Ctrl-[, Ctrl-] and Ctrl-\
>> behaviors, but at the same time Ctrl-/ was just dropped out. It does
>> nothing now. Hope it will be restored soon.

> I use CTRL-] to move from new message to new message and it still
> works here.

I forgot to add that these were the editor shortcuts. Ctrl-/ used to
capitalize the word.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[MaXxX]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 7:45:48 PM, Manuel Breitfeld wrote
the following words:

> Anyone heard of something called "Dead Horse"...? ;)

A very nice thing to pronounce on a thread that has been getting
derailed only lately.

I'm asking for a way to make betatesting easier, as it was for the
short time between introducing the /REG parameter and turning to MSI
installations.
People start suggesting that perhaps I shouldn't test, as if I hadn't
been doing it for the last several years quite well.
The suggestion of a dead horse, perhaps, is accepted.
So, I get unnecessarily attacked, and my question is not answered, as
the thread is closed.

I don't like this scenario one bit.

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Re: SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 12:40 PM, MAU wrote:

> Have you tried tweaking the the "typing" speed? In case you don't know,
> which I doubt, look in Configuration/Setup/Advanced Setup/Limits for
> "Delay in milliseconds for first and subsequent sent keys from *Keys"

Hmmm. You're into PowerPro, aren't you? ;)

I'll have a look at that and contact you off-list in case of problems.
You seem like a good fella to get some assistance with on this one.
Hope you don't mind. ;)

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Manuel Breitfeld]

Hello MaXxX,

on 28.10.2004 at 19:38 you wrote:

> On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 7:37:51 PM, the world was changed
> forever by what Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

>>> Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does
>>> it.

>> But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program,
>> aye?

> Hey, please. Are we talking about my participation, or about the ease
> of it? Can we please stick to it?

Anyone heard of something called "Dead Horse"...? ;)

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Alexander S.
Kunz wrote:

> But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test
> program, aye?

Why not stop this? MaXXX wants to beta test. He just wishes to beta
test without having to use his working installation as the beta test
bed.

He's looking for and asking for an easy way to run another
installation in parallel to the one he relies on for day to day work.

Prior to MSI installations, it was OK, but there are little glitches
now that he mentioned. I don't find his concerns unreasonable. Clearly
Ritlabs did too and offered something before.

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Re: Ctrl-/ is not working

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 09:58 AM, Peter Gannushkin
wrote:

> Apparently Stefan as promised changed the Ctrl-[, Ctrl-] and Ctrl-\
> behaviors, but at the same time Ctrl-/ was just dropped out. It does
> nothing now. Hope it will be restored soon.

I use CTRL-] to move from new message to new message and it still
works here.

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Re: SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)

[MAU]

Hello Allie,

> The slower machine seems to be executing too quickly,

Have you tried tweaking the the "typing" speed? In case you don't know,
which I doubt, look in Configuration/Setup/Advanced Setup/Limits for
"Delay in milliseconds for first and subsequent sent keys from *Keys"

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[MaXxX]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 7:37:51 PM, the world was changed
forever by what Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

>> Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does
>> it.

> But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program,
> aye?

Hey, please. Are we talking about my participation, or about the ease
of it? Can we please stick to it?

My point: betatesting of The Bat! is unnecessarily tedious, and could
easily be made more friendly.
Your counterpoint: "don't like it - get out".

Super.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello MaXxX & everyone else

28-Okt-2004 19:33, you wrote:

>> Then, don't volunteer to beta test. Period. :)

> Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does
> it.

But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program,
aye?

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[MaXxX]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 5:38:53 PM, the world was changed
forever by what MAU wrote:

>> me to restore from a backup. And backups don't solve ALL problems!
>> What if I receive a very important message when running a badly broken
>> beta? I don't have a backup of THAT message, right? And KABOOM goes
>> the message base. Oops. Message gone.

> Then, don't volunteer to beta test. Period. :)

Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does
it.

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 12:03 PM, Alexander S.
Kunz wrote:

> I just turned on ClearType (could've done that earlier, yes...), and
> yes, I can confirm the bug. Checked further - it was already there
> in v3.01.33

Confirmed here as well.

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Re[2]: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Alexey N. Vinogradov]

Hello, Peter.

You wrote 29.10.2004 @ 1:53 

PG> It is obviously ClearType related. TB! redraws the status bar somehow
PG> weird which makes the ClearType adjust more and more of a shadow.

It is an issue of used output method of GDI context device. There are two methods
exists: Opaque, when the background is filled with the current background color before
the text, and transparent, when the background remains untouched. It seems, that
"transparent" method is used, and it always leads to these collisions in the
case of ClearType, because new colors for the pixels are calculated on the base
of existing background, and the color of the text, but since in ClearType mode
the color of the text is not fixed and may be quite transparent on some places,
multiply applying of this method to the one area causes the text be drawn bolder
and bolder from time to time.

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Peter Gannushkin & everyone else

28-Okt-2004 18:53, you wrote:

> It is obviously ClearType related. TB! redraws the status bar somehow
> weird which makes the ClearType adjust more and more of a shadow.

I just turned on ClearType (could've done that earlier, yes...), and yes, I
can confirm the bug. Checked further - it was already there in v3.01.33 :)

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hi Alexander,

>>> Have you tried disabling ClearType?

>> I did not, but as it happens only with TB! and only with this particular
>> parts of the status messages, I would consider that it is TB's problem.

> Yes, but maybe its ClearType related nevertheless...

It is obviously ClearType related. TB! redraws the status bar somehow
weird which makes the ClearType adjust more and more of a shadow.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Mary Bull]

Hello Tony!

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 6:30 AM, you wrote:

AM>> I agree with that experiment.

TB> Well so far everything is fine, but it's only been running an hour
TB> or so. I've opened and closed it quite a few times, before and
TB> after sending and receiving with no trouble.

Since I began to keep a log of my closings and openings of TB!,
yesterday at 4:30 p.m. yesterday, I have been unable to reproduce the
hanging-on-exit behavior.

I did 5 consecutive closes and re-launches between 4:30 p.m. and 4:44
p.m., each of them with 30 seconds of Fetching mail, and one within 10
seconds of Sending mail.

I then ran TB! until 9:00 p.m., at which time I closed it--it closed
in a flash--and shut the computer down.

I launched TB! at 6:30 a.m., this morning, Thursday, October 28, and
have run it continuously since, until 11:15 a.m. At that point I
checked mail and immediately shut TB! down. It closed in a flash.

I cannot reproduce the "hang-ups" which occurred to me when I first
installed and began to use this beta.

TB>  Only difference so far is it doesn't open quite so fast but I put that down
TB>  to the fact the 1.7 Centrino maybe faster than a 2.4 Pentium 4. Not sure of
TB>  the exact speed comparisons but I was told doubling the speed of a centrino
TB>  chip gives the approximate P4 comparison speed?

My processor is Pentium 4.

TB>  Either way, two totally different PC's and 3022 runs just as well on
TB>  both... Touch wood so far anyway :)

Touch wood for me, too, for now.

Tony, do you think this behavior could be ISP related? I had a lot of
trouble with my ISP on Tuesday.

TB! (v. 3.0.2.1) would tell me in the Connection Centre the number of
messages, and then hang without displaying the Message Dispatcher. I
had to close with Windows Task Manager to get out of the freeze.

This went on intermittently for over 2 hours (I was going to
comcast.net's web-mail page to clear out the messages during this
time), and suddenly the bad behavior stopped and has not recurred
since.

I reported the behavior on tbudl and got one confirmation of a similar
behavior involving the German ISP gmx.

TB>  My wife uses a 1.8 Athlon so I may try it on there when I get time.

Do, but from all the information we've gathered so far, I'm beginning
to suspect some effect of ISP's on the Connection Centre.

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Peter Gannushkin & everyone else

28-Okt-2004 18:27, you wrote:

>> Have you tried disabling ClearType?

> I did not, but as it happens only with TB! and only with this particular
> parts of the status messages, I would consider that it is TB's problem.

Yes, but maybe its ClearType related nevertheless... (I just think it could
be helpful to the programmers if ClearTypes unveils a program with a
non-system conformal way of window redrawing, or whatever...)

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hi Alexander,

>> Look at those screenshots.

> Have you tried disabling ClearType?

I did not, but as it happens only with TB! and only with this
particular parts of the status messages, I would consider that it is
TB's problem.

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Peter Gannushkin & everyone else

28-Okt-2004 17:22, you wrote:

> Look at those screenshots. When the email is created on the computer with
> the LCD monitor TB! starts to screw up part of the status bar. If I start
> clicking to the, lets say, "English" area of it, then the text on the
> block type, cursor mode, account name and the character set will be
> getting more and more weird. However if I change any of those setting by
> clicking on them then the bar will switch back to normal.

Have you tried disabling ClearType?

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Re: IMAP got worse, not better

[Allie Martin]

Hi  Matt
You wrote:

> It's kind of funny how this works. New betas will bring a cornucopia
> of good and bad news. To some, it solves their issues. To others,
> makes them even worse. In relation to IMAP, 3.0.2.1 has been the best
> version (for me) yet.
>
> Allie, how is your IMAP new mail notification sound working? I noticed
> it would trigger three times on a new mail here...

It works here, but note that the sound works once there's detection of
new mail in an IMAP mail folder. This is necessary because if you're
filtering server side, sound notification only for Inbox mail would be
inadequate. Most of my mail is filtered server side. As a result, for
local filtering, the sound will be triggered when mail reaches the Inbox
and sound notification will be triggered again for the destination
folders.

What I've done is to disable sound notification for those folders that I
filter messages to locally. For other folders, I leave the notifications
on.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Michael Wilson]

-Original Message-
From: Tim Casten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Oct 27, 2004 7:16 PM
To: tbbeta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 3022 is awfull

Hello tbbeta,

  This is the worst I have seen.  I have spent the past 5 hours
  restoring going back in builds etc etc.

  I completely unistalled the Bat went back to 3.0 did a restore, then
  upgraded to this build and had the strangest occurance I have ever
  seen. A completely blank screen, nothing there except the Bat was
  downlading mail as the mail ticker was working and showing new mail
  downloaded, but I had no folders, nothing.  This happened two or
  three times and I went back to build 10 before rc1 and all was
  seemed to be fine except all of my folders were gone.  I then did a
  restore at that point and my message base and folders came back only
  to disappear the next time I restarted the Bat.  I then had to do a
  restore again, and then upgraded to this newest beta again and it is
  the sluggish thing I have ever seen, its running terrible and don't
  even think about shutting the program down.

Looks like your computer is really messed up.  Sorry to hear it.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[MAU]

Hello MaXxX,


> Well, you may be happy with completely separate "testing" and
> "working" time slices. I am not. I need to have a reliable e-mail
> client running 24/7. I'm not willing to shut it down just to test a
> new version that could well blow my message base to pieces and force
> me to restore from a backup. And backups don't solve ALL problems!
> What if I receive a very important message when running a badly broken
> beta? I don't have a backup of THAT message, right? And KABOOM goes
> the message base. Oops. Message gone.

Then, don't volunteer to beta test. Period. :)

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Re: Weird LCD monitor bug

[Peter Fjelsten]

Peter,

On 28-10-2004 17:22, you [PG] wrote in
:
PG> Look at those screenshots. When the email is created on the computer
PG> with the LCD monitor TB! starts to screw up part of the status bar.

I also get this sometimes in the Log panel - and I am on a 22'' CRT
running 2048*1536, large fonts on a Matrox G550.

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Re: SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 09:15 AM, MAU wrote:

> If you use keyboard stroke macros the problems may come from
> different processor speeds. Last August I upgraded to a much faster
> PC and found that some of my macros would not always (or never)
> work. I traced this to the fact that they were executing too fast
> (i.e. before some menus, windows or dialogs would actually pop up)
> and had to adjust PowerPro's "typing speed". In same cases I even
> had to include a /wait/ command so that macro execution would
> actually wait for the target application/window to get focus back or
> to open and get focus (i.e. wait active "Sorting Office*").

It would seem that this is the case for me, though the machine with
the problem is the slower of the two. One has a 3GHz P4 processor,
while the other has a 2.2Ghz Celeron. The slower machine seems to be
executing too quickly, so I put in a wait command and that hasn't
helped.  I've just about given up getting that macro to work.
It involves bringing windows in and out of focus as well as copying
and pasting window contents.

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Re: IMAP got worse, not better

[Matt Thoene]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004 @ 3:11:13 AM [-0700], Allie Martin wrote:

> This beta works very well for me here. v3.0.2.1 was not good. I would
> get a lot of AV's, at times cascading into oblivion and forcing a kill
> from the taskmanager. 

> I haven't seen an AV yet which is an improvement. I used to have hangs
> with folder syncs, but I'm no longer seeing that. 

> So while I've improved, you've gone downhill. 

It's kind of funny how this works. New betas will bring a cornucopia
of good and bad news. To some, it solves their issues. To others,
makes them even worse. In relation to IMAP, 3.0.2.1 has been the best
version (for me) yet.

Allie, how is your IMAP new mail notification sound working? I noticed
it would trigger three times on a new mail here...

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Weird LCD monitor bug

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hi All,

Look at those screenshots. When the email is created on the computer
with the LCD monitor TB! starts to screw up part of the status bar. If
I start clicking to the, lets say, "English" area of it, then the text
on the block type, cursor mode, account name and the character set
will be getting more and more weird. However if I change any of those
setting by clicking on them then the bar will switch back to normal.

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[Tony Boom]

Hello Allie,

  A reminder of what Allie Martin typed on:
  28 October 2004 at 13:14:10 GMT +0200

AM> I agree with that experiment.

 Well so far everything is fine, but it's only been running an hour or so.
 I've opened and closed it quite a few times, before and after sending and
 receiving with no trouble.

 Only difference so far is it doesn't open quite so fast but I put that down
 to the fact the 1.7 Centrino maybe faster than a 2.4 Pentium 4. Not sure of
 the exact speed comparisons but I was told doubling the speed of a centrino
 chip gives the approximate P4 comparison speed?

 Either way, two totally different PC's and 3022 runs just as well on
 both... Touch wood so far anyway :)

 My wife uses a 1.8 Athlon so I may try it on there when I get time.


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Ctrl-/ is not working

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hi All,

Apparently Stefan as promised changed the Ctrl-[, Ctrl-] and Ctrl-\
behaviors, but at the same time Ctrl-/ was just dropped out. It does
nothing now. Hope it will be restored soon.

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Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available

[drifthat]

Hello 9Val,

Thursday, October 28, 2004, 12:44:59 AM, you wrote:

9> I've returned :)

9> The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available from
9> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

9> Here is a short list of changes:


The DBCS support of this build is completely awful. It's bad news for Asian users.


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Re: 3022 is awfull

[MaXxX]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 3:54:10 PM, MAU sculpted a piece of
raw silicon into the thoughts below:

> Same here except for a slight difference. I usually keep several
> versions of TB executable in the same installation directory (sharing it
> as well as message base, etc.) with slightly different names and with
> shortcuts to each on my desktop.

Oh dear, do we have to get through this again? It's been done
already...

I have a message base of, say, crucial importance. Backed up, of
course, but still needed for everyday work.

If I keep running a Release version, I'm happy and it works nicely.

If I run a Beta EXE, I have to shut my Release version down, and back
up my mail base. Fine, fine, but what if I want to just continue
working, instead of JUST testing?

The solution is very, very simple, and that is why I don't understand
why it's not done yet. Changing the IDs by which TB! chooses its
registry keys AND determines that it is running AND where/how it
installs would solve all problems. I could install a "The Bat! Beta"
to a different directory, with a different registry key, with a
different mail base, running simultaneously with my "The Bat!"
release installation, one never interfering with the other.

> This way, I can easily start the version I want/need at a certain
> moment.

Well, you may be happy with completely separate "testing" and
"working" time slices. I am not. I need to have a reliable e-mail
client running 24/7. I'm not willing to shut it down just to test a
new version that could well blow my message base to pieces and force
me to restore from a backup. And backups don't solve ALL problems!
What if I receive a very important message when running a badly broken
beta? I don't have a backup of THAT message, right? And KABOOM goes
the message base. Oops. Message gone.

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Re: Life with Betas (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)

[MAU]

Hello hggdh,

> USE  AT YOUR  OWNRISK
> ##
> 
> This is part of the game. The function of a Beta is to be used, AS IF
> IT WERE THE REAL THING, by a sample population.

Agree 100%!!! Nobody is forced to use a Beta and _any_ beta tester
should know he's taking a risk.

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Re: Life with Betas (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)

[MAU]

Hello MaXxX,

> Sure, sure. As long as I can _ALSO_ be using a real version. The Bat
> is largely inconsistent in this manner - the executables can be run
> with specific /REG parameters, but the MSI installer installs where it
> does usually, without the option to install as a separate setup.

See my  on this same thread.

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Re: Life with Betas (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)

[MaXxX]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 4:21:20 PM, Hggdh jumped on the
stage, took a mike and sang:

> Please allow me to offer my version (it is, of course, still beta):

> ##
> BETA VERSIONS *ARE* DANGEROUS. THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES, IMPLICIT OR
> EXPLICIT, THAT YOUR MAIL BASE WILL SURVIVE. TAKE ALL NECESSARY
> PRECAUTIONS TO SAFEGUARD YOUR DATA.

> USE  AT YOUR  OWNRISK
> ##

> This is part of the game. The function of a Beta is to be used, AS IF
> IT WERE THE REAL THING, by a sample population.

Sure, sure. As long as I can _ALSO_ be using a real version. The Bat
is largely inconsistent in this manner - the executables can be run
with specific /REG parameters, but the MSI installer installs where it
does usually, without the option to install as a separate setup.

Unless, of course, the developers wish the users to use other mail
agents for their critical use, and TB only for testing it. But that
makes little sense, does it?

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Re: Cannot close The Bat!

[Cristina Ramos]

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Hello Mike,

On 27 October 2004 at 18:11:43GMT -0400 (which was 23:11 where I live)
Mike Pesce wrote and made these points on the subject of "Cannot close
The Bat!":

MP> No problems exiting so far here, running XP Pro.

Mine doesn't close. It does everything as if it were going to close,
like compressing folders, but then stops. I have to use Task Manager
to end the process.

Running Windows XP Home Edition.

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Re: Bug 3.0.2.2 (Rush): Virtual folders not updating

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Thursday, October 28, 2004, 13:55, Peter Fjelsten wrote:
>  In this and in at least one previous version, TB! does not update
>  read/unread status for VFs. They have been set as Auto Update - but
>  they still show as bolded after the messages they contain have been
>  read in their original/real folders. On Esc all is OK.

Confirmed.

E. g.:

I have a VF which watches flagged messages. When I unflag a message in
the VF, the message is unflagged in the specific folder, but the VF
does not remove it from its list. Only a manual refresh works.

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Life with Betas (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)

[hggdh]

Hello MaXxX,

Thursday, October 28, 2004, 04:39:08, you wrote:


M> That is the risk of Betas that insist on acting like Releases.

Sorry, MaXxX, but I fail to see the reason of a Beta that does not
function like the release product.

M> Let me say it once more, for good measure, so that anybody concerned
M> hears...

M> BETA VERSIONS SHOULD NOT EVEN TRY TO INSTALL AS 'NORMAL' PROGRAMS.
M> THEY SHOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT PROGRAM ID AND INSTALL SEPARATELY, NOT
M> EVEN TOUCHING THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION.

Please allow me to offer my version (it is, of course, still beta):

##
BETA VERSIONS *ARE* DANGEROUS. THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES, IMPLICIT OR
EXPLICIT, THAT YOUR MAIL BASE WILL SURVIVE. TAKE ALL NECESSARY
PRECAUTIONS TO SAFEGUARD YOUR DATA.

USE  AT YOUR  OWNRISK
##

This is part of the game. The function of a Beta is to be used, AS IF
IT WERE THE REAL THING, by a sample population.


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Re: Question about Virtual Folders

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 15:05, Nick Andriash wrote:

> Whoops! Spoke too soon. Started TB up this morning, and there they
> were again: Old messages that had been deleted long ago, still there
> in the VF's. A refresh seems to take care of the problem for the
> moment, but alas those pesky messages return.

Besides Alexander's comment on watching the Trash folder, have you
compressed your folders? Are the messages still visible in your VFs
after compressing? What if you turn "Store state between sessions" off?

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SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)

[MAU]

Hello Allie,

In  with Subject "Re: 3022 is
awfull" Allie Marting wrote:

> But then again, the problems are reversed with PowerPro. I have macros
> that work well on my machine at home and at work, the very same macros
> are very problematic. Same OS and same PowerPro versions. Different
> hardware though and that's likely what makes the difference.

If you use keyboard stroke macros the problems may come from different
processor speeds. Last August I upgraded to a much faster PC and found
that some of my macros would not always (or never) work. I traced this
to the fact that they were executing too fast (i.e. before some menus,
windows or dialogs would actually pop up) and had to adjust PowerPro's
"typing speed". In same cases I even had to include a /wait/ command so
that macro execution would actually wait for the target
application/window to get focus back or to open and get focus (i.e. wait
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Re: Question about Virtual Folders

[Nick Andriash]

On 28-Oct-2004 06:25:41, Stuart wrote:

>Have you tried compressing the original folders to clear out the  
>remains of the original messages?

All my Folders are set to compress automatically each time TB closes.


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Re: Question about Virtual Folders

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Nick,

Thursday, October 28, 2004, 3:05:01 PM, you wrote:

> Whoops! Spoke too soon. Started TB up this morning, and there they
> were again: Old messages that had been deleted long ago, still there
> in the VF's. A refresh seems to take care of the problem for the
> moment, but alas those pesky messages return.

Just a thought: do you maybe "watch" the trash folder with your VF (in
addition to the regular folders) and haven't emptied it yet?

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Re: 3022 is awfull

[MAU]

Hello Allie,

> I've never done a complete uninstall of TB! since using it in 1999. I've
> usually just switched executables. If I have a problem with the new one,
> I replace it with the one I was using before. The beta download consists
> of just the program executable. I rename the one I was using and then
> place the beta in the installation directory. I then try it. If I'm not
> happy, I just delete it and rename the old executable back to the right
> name.

Same here except for a slight difference. I usually keep several
versions of TB executable in the same installation directory (sharing it
as well as message base, etc.) with slightly different names and with
shortcuts to each on my desktop. This way, I can easily start the version
I want/need at a certain moment. I must say that this peculiar
configuration with several executables sharing the same installation has
never been a problem at all for me.

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Re: Bug 3.0.2.2 (Rush): Virtual folders not updating

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Nick,

@28-Oct-2004, 06:20 -0700 (28-Oct 14:20 UK time) Nick Andriash [NA] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>>In this and in at least one previous version, TB! does not update
>>read/unread status for VFs.

NA> Yes, I can confirm this behaviour, and wonder if we shouldn't submit a bug
NA> report along with it. This behaviour, together with the hand during
NA> shutdown, is a show-stopper for me.

NA> Is there anywhere we can download just the executable from the last
NA> version, or do we have to use the msi installer again?

I use RC10 as essentially the same version as the last release.

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Re: Question about Virtual Folders

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Nick,
Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 8:51:07 PM, you wrote:

NA> I have two VF's that contain 'important' and 'flagged' messages, but the
NA> problem is the messages in the virtual folders remain long after the
NA> originals have been deleted. What do I have to do to get rid of the residue
NA> that resides in those VF's?

NA> I've tried deleting them, but they come back every time I restart TB.

 Have you tried compressing the original folders to clear out the
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Re: Bug 3.0.2.2 (Rush): Virtual folders not updating

[Nick Andriash]

On 28-Oct-2004 04:55:22, Peter wrote:

>In this and in at least one previous version, TB! does not update
>read/unread status for VFs.

Yes, I can confirm this behaviour, and wonder if we shouldn't submit a bug
report along with it. This behaviour, together with the hand during
shutdown, is a show-stopper for me.

Is there anywhere we can download just the executable from the last
version, or do we have to use the msi installer again?


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Re: Windows editor: Quote problem

[Edvinas Matiušaitis]

Hello Allie,

On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 13:32, you wrote:

>> Confirmed here.

AM> Still not convinced that MicroEd is the way to go? :)

I am convinced and I'm using it! I just tested Windows Editor behaviour to
confirm what Martin observed.

However I have one bad feeling. I remember Maksim saying that PTV and
MicroEd will not support Unicode and that means *if* Unicode support finally
will be added to the Bat!, MicroEd will not support it anyway. Then I'll
have to switch from MicroEd to Windows Editor... :(

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