Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] Serious problems with Insert Movie and Sound... on MAC OS X 2 bugs.
Declan, Saw your bugs when you filed them the first time and also the email to the forum. One thing that is very helpful is if in your ML exchanges regards bugzilla reporting your include your bug ID. Yours are: fdo#60218 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60218 for Writer text wrapping fdo#60228 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60228 for Writer/Impress non-playing videos fdo#60229 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60229 for BUGZILLAASSISTANT use with Safari - OSX 10.6.8 SnowLeopard All well written with exception that you did not identify what version of OS X and hardware. Your fdo#60228 is a know issue duplicating fdo#56847 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56847 , so yours will probably be closed and merged. I have confirmed your fdo#60218 as also valid on Windows 7 64-bit under LibreOffice 4.0.0 Please respond to any dev requests regards any of the bugs, and always appropriate to refine your submissions with additional details as you think of them or find work arounds. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Serious-problems-with-Insert-Movie-and-Sound-on-MAC-OS-X-2-bugs-tp4034018p4036223.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60390 Comment # 2 on bug 60390 from V Stuart Foote Also, confirm that ref file will not open in Windows build of LibreOffice 4.0.0 rc3. But on same system it will open in Office 2007 with no issue. And interestingly will also open in an Apache OpenOffice Dev 4.0 build (r1441343). So something in this .DOC MS Office 97-2003 formated file is now being mishandled by LibO. Changning to NEEDINFO as devs are going to need log details of what is causing the hang up. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: promotion possibility for LibO
rosttyo wrote Can this be forwarded to our marketing people to possibly use this for promotion? @rossttyo, Sure, but not clear what you are suggesting. LibreOffice's import of SVG has been very good since at least the 3.3 builds and fidelity to standards when editing imported SVG in Draw is still improving. You may want to work a bit in a current LibreOffice build with images from the Open Clipart site. You'll find that ALL LibreOffice components will correctly import and render the SVG to bitmap directly. And you'll find that Draw can directly open for edit these SVGs with some loss of format--mainly with transparency issues. Admittedly it would be nice to natively work/save in SVG rather than using export from Draw ODG. But, then I would probably be using the FOSS Inkscape http://inkscape.org project if I were doing any substantive vector art work as SVG. So what is it you were suggesting that LiberOffice Marketing promote regards this stale OpenOffice era blurb? Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/promotion-possibility-for-LibO-tp4039887p4039964.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: promotion possibility for LibO
ROSt52, Ok, understand your intent a little better. The text you found is a *very* outdated FAQ entry on the OpenClipArt Library (OCAL) project. Here is a valid link http://openclipart.org/faq#How_can_I_use_these_images_in_OpenOffice.org.3F . It should be updated, as the support for SVG graphics in LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice pretty much being maintained on a common code base by its primary developer Armin Le-Grand, a contributor to both projects. The FAQ usage details for both office products could be the same text. But, as Tom suggests, to have the FAQ entry corrected, someone on the OCAL project will have to be contacted. They look to have an active mailing list, at http://freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart http://freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart --suggestion for an edit would not need to come from TDF LibreOffice Marketing, so feel free. Imagine on the LO side, we should give a nod to the great work and resources available for use from OCAL. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/promotion-possibility-for-LibO-tp4039887p4040228.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\
Bug fdo#62303 ( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62303 ) has been submitted as an enhancement request to adjust the installation folder on Windows to a non-versioned folder e.g. C:\Program Files\LibreOffice\ Brief discussion on Discuss ( http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Install-path-for-LibreOffice-under-Windows-tp4041530.html ) but as we're asking to expedite this adjustment for a 4.0.3 build. solicit users and devs lists for any substantive reasons NOT to proceed. Advantage of placing into a non-versioned installation folder for Windows OS is that established configurations and function of 3rd party extensions will remain intact across version upgrades. Expect minimal impact on installation or bundled extensions and Windows registry and LibreOffice registry and user profile. Potential impact on migrating user profiles during upgrade, and possibly on 3rd party extensions. Comments? Substantive objections? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\
Dan, Would cause no change for Windows OS installations. You'd still have to do msiexec.exe /A administrative installation each of which registers its own LibreOffice user profile and minimal Windows registry entries. So, you can have one full installation, and multiple functional but not fully integrated /Administrative installations. Just as it has been. Stuart From: Dan Lewis [elderdanle...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:07 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\ On 03/13/2013 10:26 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Bug fdo#62303 ( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62303 ) has been submitted as an enhancement request to adjust the installation folder on Windows to a non-versioned folder e.g. C:\Program Files\LibreOffice\ Brief discussion on Discuss ( http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Install-path-for-LibreOffice-under-Windows-tp4041530.html ) but as we're asking to expedite this adjustment for a 4.0.3 build. solicit users and devs lists for any substantive reasons NOT to proceed. Advantage of placing into a non-versioned installation folder for Windows OS is that established configurations and function of 3rd party extensions will remain intact across version upgrades. Expect minimal impact on installation or bundled extensions and Windows registry and LibreOffice registry and user profile. Potential impact on migrating user profiles during upgrade, and possibly on 3rd party extensions. Comments? Substantive objections? Just a question: How will this change affect installing multiple versions of LibreOffice? --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\
The Wiki notes on doing the administrative installation are at this link., Along with a link to Florian Reisinger's LibreOffice Server Installation GUI extension for doing parallel administrative installs while avoiding Windows command line and msiexec.exe. Currently for Windows OS's only. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Administrativ_Installation: Florian will have to address any issues of a non-versioned default installation folder on his installer extension. But should not be much of a problem. Stuart From: V Stuart Foote Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:15 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\ Dan, Would cause no change for Windows OS installations. You'd still have to do msiexec.exe /A administrative installation each of which registers its own LibreOffice user profile and minimal Windows registry entries. So, you can have one full installation, and multiple functional but not fully integrated /Administrative installations. Just as it has been. Stuart From: Dan Lewis [elderdanle...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:07 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\ On 03/13/2013 10:26 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Bug fdo#62303 ( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62303 ) has been submitted as an enhancement request to adjust the installation folder on Windows to a non-versioned folder e.g. C:\Program Files\LibreOffice\ Brief discussion on Discuss ( http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Install-path-for-LibreOffice-under-Windows-tp4041530.html ) but as we're asking to expedite this adjustment for a 4.0.3 build. solicit users and devs lists for any substantive reasons NOT to proceed. Advantage of placing into a non-versioned installation folder for Windows OS is that established configurations and function of 3rd party extensions will remain intact across version upgrades. Expect minimal impact on installation or bundled extensions and Windows registry and LibreOffice registry and user profile. Potential impact on migrating user profiles during upgrade, and possibly on 3rd party extensions. Comments? Substantive objections? Just a question: How will this change affect installing multiple versions of LibreOffice? --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] RE: Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\
The enhancement was discussed at ESC mtg today ( http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-td4043820.html ) Install directory to be adjusted to LibreOffce 4, rather than dropping numbered versioning completely as proposed. Also won't adopt for 4.0.3, so soonest implementation will be at 4.1.0 RC1 Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Bug-62303-Enhancement-request-Set-default-install-folder-under-Windows-to-LibreOffice-tp4043695p4043845.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.1 error no suitable windowing system found, exiting.
Known issue that has been fixed in 4.0.2, work around with yum -y install libpng12 See https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61571 for details. Stuart From: Scott Castaline [skotch...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:03 PM To: LibreOffice Users Group Subject: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.1 error no suitable windowing system found, exiting. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just installed Fedora 18 and tried to install LO 4.0.1. When I try to start LO I get the following error, no suitable windowing system found, exiting. Google only shows some really old complaints of this dating back to 2009. None of the fixes apply to these versions (Fedora or LO). I can run the version from Fedora's repo which is 3.6.x, but I want to get 4.x.x running I was able to run it on my Fedora 17 system, anyone have any other ideas that I could try? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.1 error no suitable windowing system found, exiting.
Sorry, should have added that it is in the release notes (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0#Most_Annoying_Bugs ). Also, that you can also download and install 4.0.2 rc1 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/rpm/ which is probably the better way to go. Stuart From: V Stuart Foote Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:29 PM To: Scott Castaline; LibreOffice Users Group Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.1 error no suitable windowing system found, exiting. Known issue that has been fixed in 4.0.2, work around with yum -y install libpng12 See https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61571 for details. Stuart From: Scott Castaline [skotch...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:03 PM To: LibreOffice Users Group Subject: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.1 error no suitable windowing system found, exiting. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just installed Fedora 18 and tried to install LO 4.0.1. When I try to start LO I get the following error, no suitable windowing system found, exiting. Google only shows some really old complaints of this dating back to 2009. None of the fixes apply to these versions (Fedora or LO). I can run the version from Fedora's repo which is 3.6.x, but I want to get 4.x.x running I was able to run it on my Fedora 17 system, anyone have any other ideas that I could try? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] RE: Libre Office 4 and MS Sysprep
John, Hmm, not sure that in Windows 7 using Sysprep and using WAIK to prepare a CopyProfile=true Specialize stanza into a filename.xml reliably overwrites the default user run from any user other than the Administrator account running in Audit mode. Not sure what happens with file associations and per program user configurations if you use an account other than Administrator in Audit mode. But my sysprep.exe /generalize /oobe /unattend:filename.xml SYSPREPs prior to image capture seems to behave pretty well with customizations done in audit mode being copied into a new default user profile and apps running correctly. Only a few issues with occasional linkage to C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming for program configuration and temp space--but not LibreOffice. I've had no problems with desktop icons placed on the C:\Users\Public\Desktop On the file association side, I don't deploy with LibreOffice set as default for anything but its native ODF formats, so I can't comment there about SYSPREPs impact, not too surprised if MS allows SYSPREP to clobber some file associations. And, there are continuing problems with the LibreOffice file associations that make the whole issue kind of dicey. We have an enhancement request in place for a File Association Manager for Windows builds of LibreOffice (fdo#44462 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44462 ) Stuart From: Hallenberger, John - FSC Tech [hallenberg...@fox.k12.mo.us] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:44 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office 4 and MS Sysprep I have created an image of Windows 7 x64 and LO4 using sysprep. Sysprep is setup to copy the current user to the default profile yet all preconfigured settings are gone and desktop icons have disappeared when the system comes back up. Other desktop icons/settings make it through this process fine but Libre seems to revert to a generic default install. Is this by design or are there special steps I need to take during the sysprep process? Basically what I would like is for all LO programs to have their default save type as their Microsoft equivalents and icons on the desktop already setup in the default user so that whoever logs in is basically ready to go. I know LO pushes ODF but until we get a larger portion of our population changed over this is the most realistic for us. Any help would be great! Thanks, John -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Tom, No typo, http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/ Yes it is a nod to Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land... Stuart From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:56 AM To: michael.me...@suse.com Cc: LibreOffice Users Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice Hi :) Thanks for the answer. I think the question was beyond the scope of the Users List and i don't know if anyone got around to pointing the person to the devs lists. Err, was there a slight typo in the last paragraph? Seems like grep got typed as grok? which you can grok for user-visible strings Perhaps would have been more generic as look for? Regards from Tom :) From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com To: Stephen Morris samor...@netspace.net.au Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 11:54 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice In general - if you want to go from the UI - the source code, you need to go via the .src files - which you can grok for user-visible strings, and then look for the defined names of those in the .hrc files - which are shared between resources and C++ and hence into the relevant source code and down to a widget. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Hyperlink Bug in calc - bug 62289
Actually the bug is exactly as described. Testing with LibreOffice 4.0.2 rc1 The problem is in interpreting an incomplete hyper link. 1) If the complete hyper link is entered Sheet 2.A2 it becomes #Sheet 2.A2 And movement to that sheet and cell is reliable. 2) If you insert the hyperlink without the cell reference, e.g. #Sheet 2, it takes you that sheet but looks to retain the last cell referenced, i.e. the landing cell is erratic. 3) And if as Tanstaafl reports in fdo#62289 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62289 even if you use the GUI and select the numbers only page name, e.g. 3 so hyperlink is #3 ,the link is interpreted incorrectly and you remain on the same page--and apparently in that numbered row. So there is definitely an issue with the Target in Document GUI picker allowing an incomplete hyper link. Or equally an inconsistent parser/handling logic for incomplete hyperlink targets--would think that absent a complete hyperlink target, the parser should identify the sheet and default to a consistent cell--A1 I would imagine. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Hyperlink-Bug-in-calc-bug-62289-tp4043505p4044553.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing multiple versions of LibreOffice
Detailed instructions are at this project Wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Linux -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Installing-multiple-versions-of-LibreOffice-tp4044638p4044640.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Tom, Rather a substantive response to Steve's month long effort to get an Extension or feature delveloped for calc over on the devs list. Basically telling him that he can't get there from here using an IDE like Eclipse-- http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-libreoffice-users-Development-of-Extensions-for-LibreOffice-tp4035059.html And I'll disagree on the where to post. He is an ambitious programmer and clearly Steve's question would have played better from the start back in February on the devs list where, if worded correctly, he would have been set straight by the first answers--nobody attempts to use Eclipse for LibreOffice development because it won't work RELIABLY. The UNO core code base is just too unwieldy for an IDE to handle the full project. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Development-of-Extensions-for-LibreOffice-tp4034224p4044778.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4 paragraph marks, etc.
Paul, You should get functions you need from the Edit - Find Replace - More Options - Regular Expressions check box. You'll match your Paragraph ends with $. And replace/manipulate against this List of Regular Expressions: https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/List_of_Regular_Expressions Stuart From: Paul Schmidt [p...@unam.mx] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:24 PM there is one thing I use Word for quite often, and I cannot replicate it here, although the manual seems to imply I can. That is using find/replace to make changes to paragraph marks, new line marks, and tabs to format various types of documents in order to be able to import them into a FileMaker database. Feor the paragraph mark I have played around with $, ^., and \n, but no luck. I use a Mac running Snow Leopard. What am I not understanding? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Find Replace and \t expression [Writer]
As Gordom has found OpenOffice regular expression handling in Find/Replace is a little weird, full function in find but a bit limited in the replace. But it all functions well enough once you get past the warts. I think the best write up still lies with the Apache OpenOffice project wiki: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Regular_Expressions_in_Writer -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Find-Replace-and-t-expression-Writer-tp4047971p4048124.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc sheet freezing
Several ways of answering this come to mind, but I'll go with the gentler tact. You have some questions to ask yourself (and your collaborators). What is your desired end use--will this Excel 2003 spread sheet continue to be used on Excel 2003? If not will your use be exclusively on LibreOffice or a mix of Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice? Do you or some number of your users understand what data is being charted and how? Are you (they) familiar with both the Microsoft macros and the LibreOffice macros? Where I'm going is that depending on your intended use, you will need to --port-- the spread sheet either for use in calc. But likely for use in Excel 2007, or 2010 or 2012-- there is that much variation in the macro scripting between the Microsoft products. Sorry, but without seeing the function and logic of your existing spread sheet, the most we'll be able to do is suggest steps in doing a port. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Calc-sheet-freezing-tp4048140p4048144.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6
Bill, If you can't find your issue--please open a bug report against UI. LO Draw object pasted into Writer document is not retained, auto-save issue? And provide full details about OS and LibreOffice version and the file formats your are working in. Provide exact steps to reproduce using Draw and Writer. And even to avoid with auto-save turned off. Also, post up some sample documents. Here is a more complete FDO Bugzilla query to look at existing issues, as you can see handling of pictures and drawings (previews and OLE objects included) is an ongoing challenge for development and QA: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=RESOLVEDbug_status=VERIFIEDbug_status=CLOSEDbug_status=NEEDINFObug_status=PLEASETESTcomponent=Writerproduct=LibreOfficequery_format=advancedshort_desc=drawing%20drawings%20picture%20picturesshort_desc_type=anywordssubstrorder=bug_idquery_based_on= Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-downgrade-from-4-0-2-to-3-6-6-tp4051442p4052290.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: New bug 64028: Calc forgets cell format when cell is cut (^X)
Not clear if you are concerned with formatting of the source cell (which would be cleared bya Ctrl+X) or with the formatting of the pasted cell which with Ctrl+V will paste formatting with default settings but could be set other than default. Suspect all is functioning as designed. Please see comments to fdo#64028 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64028 and respond there. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/New-bug-64028-Calc-forgets-cell-format-when-cell-is-cut-X-tp4052660p4052908.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Crashing OOo Creating Dialogs in the IDE
Andrew, Here is the link to download prior versions libreoffice/old http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/ . With a couple of exceptions the x.x.x.2 are the rc2 that become final for each build. So do you think there was a bug--or not? As LibreOffice diverges from Apache Open Office, issues of Macros and support for scripting environments is evolving. No specifics, but would not be surprised by something being done to enhance Python could impact StarBase. So if you think there was an issue go ahead and post up your bug report, even though it has seemed to resolve, that way there is a permanent record if there really is an issue with active macros or with complex document formats like your text. For what it is worth, I grabbed a current copy of your OOME_30.odt and had it open in a current Apache OpenOffice build AOO400m1(Build:9700) - Rev. 1463876, Rev.1448553, and it crashed there, so who knows. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Crashing-OOo-Creating-Dialogs-in-the-IDE-tp4053149p4053153.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Crashing OOo Creating Dialogs in the IDE
Sorry, of course that should have read StarBasic. And also that I had the crash while in the Tools/Macro Organize IDE. And for Johnny, another non-response to the list, or did you mean to just PM Andrew this time? ;-) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Crashing-OOo-Creating-Dialogs-in-the-IDE-tp4053149p4053155.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Terrible problem with LibreOffice Word
Here are the LibreOffice specific reqular expressions and use cases: https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/List_of_Regular_Expressions -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Terrible-problem-with-LibreOffice-Word-tp4053247p4053318.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles
From: Ken Springer [snowsh...@q.com] Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 7:49 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46986 Will wonders never cease... The first one has been assigned to someone. Actually, FDO bug 44871 has been assigned since the date it was submitted during QA bug triage. But that means exactly squat since Cedric did not assign himself (indicating he accepted and was working on it). Assignment is just not a tool that has a lot of meaning in the LibreOffice project (and most other FOSS) because, as has been mentioned, development and quashing of bugs is driven by the interests of the respective developers. Some developers will assign to themselves, some will not--personal choice. Maybe there's hope after all, as I've got a list from long ago that I never bothered to file as these were never addressed and assigned, so I never bothered. Can't help but notice that in the ensuing time you have moved from OSX 10.6.8 to your current 10.8.3 build, yet YOU have not filed additional updates or status regards either issue. Truth is issues with OSX builds require a lot of care and feeding given the rapid changes to Apples APIs. If you want things fixed you have to be engaged and nurture the issues you raise. Please take the time to research the FDO Bugzilla ( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/query.cgi?format=advancedproduct=LibreOffice ) and if not already identified, submit as new issues items from your list. You should have a look at the OSX issues meta bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42082 and you'll get some idea. Regarding fdo#44871, the labeling as Distribute Rows Equally is clearly wrong. Its function is documented as Space Rows Equally -- Adjusts the height of the selected rows to match the height of the tallest row in the selection, which it does. So what you were really asking for is an enhancement. Which as was pointed out in comments to 44871 would receive the best review on the UX-Advise list. Did you follow up there? Just looked and saw no record. So, I've opened a new enhancement request in fdo#64242 and asked the UX-Advise list for discussion--essentially for handling Table columns and rows the UX is a bit muddled between Distribute and Equal Spacing actions. Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles
Tom, Were you thinking of this? http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Microfund-your-favourite-Issue-tc4035685.html#none Stuart From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 4:10 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles Hi :) A couple of months ago someone gave an excellent link to a place where you could 'vote' on what you want some free-lance devs to work on and assign a value of cash you would pay of they fixed it. Typical amounts would be around 1 beer in a pub but some people were putting quite large amounts down. Sometimes a few different people would put small amounts for the same thing so the dev would get several beers or even enough for something useful like rent or a new power-supply, or keyboard or something. Of course some of the devs do get paid anyway because some do work for large organisations and get paid to work on LO as part of that but then it's probably for doing something they are ordered to work on. So, if they got an extra boost from the voting thing then they deserve it too. Can anyone remember the link or know of something similar? Regards from Tom :) From: Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com To: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 9:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles Dear Ken, could you please post numbers of these bugs here? The topic sounds to be interesting Thanks Milos Dňa 05.05.2013 00:32, Ken Springer wrote / napísal(a): As I noted in private email, LO still has not assigned two bugs I filed to anyone yet. They are classified a low priority. As I mentioned, the issues are *not* low priority to me, so if they don't want to fix them, I'll pay for a program where the developers do care to fix the low priority issues. -- email jabber: sramek.mi...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles
From: Miroslaw Zalewski [mini...@poczta.onet.pl] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:25 AM In open source world, you are supposed to scratch your own itch (that is: send patches or hire someone to do it for you). If you can't or are unable to, then you might be better off somewhere else. This is one of reasons why Linux and other open source apps never really get substantial share of desktop market. Most desktop users can't scratch their own itch, so they leave. +1 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Arabesque font that is really English
LOL... Have a look at Rage Italic ( Ron Zwingelberg, ttf from Microsoft), or Gabriola Regular (J. Hudson, ttf from Microsoft) you should have both on a Windows PC with MS Office installed. Stuart From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:03 AM To: Kracked_P_P---webmaster; Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Arabesque font that is really English Hi :) I have a good Arabic font but it's in Arabic. I've got to get a poster together for an Arabic ladies coffee morning and having trouble finding a font that looks vaguely Arabic but is in fact English. DOes anyone know of a good free one? Regards from Tom :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
+1 From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit; one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing on what's gone before, then merely scroll down. Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite simple; oh, windows could be rolled up down in a car whenever; then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the engine was running ;-) +2 ;-) Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Gosh @anne-ology, Formatting of your posts are always sooo far out there, i.e. off standards, I figured to give you a nod with the top posted and right justified +1, and a centered +2--although if I'd been thinking sharply enough I'd have made it a +2¢--because I love the car window analogy. Stuart From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 9:32 AM To: V Stuart Foote Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators +2 ??? ;-) 2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits, a dollar ... all for ___, stand up and holler! well, my mind wanders ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Top post, bottom post, interspersed --- it is all pretty much the same in the end for delivering and exchanging information. But what REALLY makes a difference in effort for recipients and for following the thread is simply trimming the response--by hand, or allowing your favorite news reader or email client to do it. The need is especially notable if you review threads on Nabble archive--this thread for example: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Seeking-for-list-moderators-tp4053736.html Stuart From: felmon davis [moelmoel2...@gmail.com] on behalf of Felmon Davis [dav...@union.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:04 AM On Wed, 8 May 2013, Dries Feys wrote: All, Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to click scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as bottom posting in my compose window. Sorry for the inconvenience... it is inconvenient but so is the way gmail sets things up; I think some other email clients do the same. if I were using gmail, I also would probably top-post because it's one degree of inconvenience against another. I think trying to _write_ bottom-posting when the email program resists it is more difficult than trying to _read_ bottom-posting. (I'm not a dogmatist; I'm a pragmatist.) Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, mit herzlichen grüssen! F. -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users
From: Wolfgang Keller [felip...@gmx.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:42 AM Just a quick question - when on this list (users), shouldn't we keep the sender's email in the To / Cc list when we reply-all No. in case they haven't subscribed to the list (which makes sense if they're just looking for support and not for helping others out). A mailinglist allowing messages from non-subscribers is imho mis-configured. That is correct! Anything else would be a recipe for spam--non-subscribed users are be moderated through if the message merits--often with a personal note back from the moderator on how to subscribe. The reason I am asking this is because sometimes I see people replying to just the users list, That's the correct way to do it. No dis-courtesy copies. Never. +1 By replying directly to user, you are implying that you are taking response off list--please do so if that is your intent, i.e. to criticize or guide so as not to embarrass other subscribers don't need or want to see that. Otherwise the netiquette is to address discussion for the list to read--and keep response civil. So, use the respond to all option of your email reader of choice, it SHOULD pick up the mail list address. Delete the other direct addresses. And finally TRIM away any of the extra crud in the message. Leave just enough for the message to stand on its own, but not be distracting either to read--or when viewed in context in a News group reader or a web archive like Nabble. Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?
chimak111 wrote M Henri Day wrote In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that interested parties can see the reply ?... Henri Hi, I got an answer from Christian Lohmaier in that other thread. His reply is here: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05868.html You should be able to access that link from your browser without any problem. But just to be safe, I will forward his answer to you :) Actually, both threads are available for review in full at Nabble. This from the Users mail list at-- http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Why-such-large-svg-files-in-LibreOffice-Linux-tp4056944.html And the other response from the Design mail lists at-- http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Size-of-LibreOffice-svg-files-tp4057288.html The Document Foundation maintains the Nabble archive because it is very efficient in keeping the mail lists organized and accessible to all interested users. It has a fairly robust search capability. And, the Nabble service also brokers subscription to the respective lists. Non-subscribers CAN post onto any of the Nabble mail list archives--but message will be held for moderation when posting to a non-subscribed list. Poke through Nabble, it is a useful resource. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Why-such-large-svg-files-in-LibreOffice-Linux-tp4056944p4057417.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] To the moderators
Sharon, =-=-= From: Sharon Kimble [skimbl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:20 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] To the moderators At 1253 today I sent a email to the list under the heading of ' auto-spell checking not working on a fresh install.' asking for help with Libreoffice 4.0.3.3. This appears to have been removed from the main mailing list with no reason given. Why please? It was a genuine request for help with an ongoing problem that I have. I look forward to your reply. Sharon Kimble =-=-= Not sure what you think has happened but we saw your post come through opening a new thread, and it is resident in the TDF Nabble based mail archive, here: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/auto-spell-checking-not-working-on-a-fresh-install-td4058444.html A problem with your Usenet reader configuration? Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Importing a postscript file with proper formatting
You'll find the installers (both freeware (Affero GPL) and commercial) here: Ghostscript Downloads Page http://www.ghostscript.com/download/gsdnld.html -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Importing-a-postscript-file-with-proper-formatting-tp4059420p4059516.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: V4.0 On Mac OS X small vertical scroller does not scroller is flaky
snowshed wrote Lists confuse the folks who've never learned how to use them. I use the gmane interface and read the lists as if the list was a newsgroup. That's my preferred way. LO offers the lists, gmane for newsgroup software, and forums via the Nabble interface. If you were at the LO Home page, and clicked on Get Help, you would have been sent here: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/ That lists all the help options available. Scroll down to the Nabble entry, and you end up here: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/nabble-mailing-list-interface/ This is a forum style interface for the mailing lists. IMO, LO gives the user far more options for finding a preferred method of obtaining help than any other place I've been. And the same for printed documentation. FWIW, having used all three, lists, newsgroups, and forums, IMO forums are by far the most poorly organized method unless they offer a threaded view as the Nabble interface can do. -- Ken +1 Also, for those that prefer the Nabble interface, the Apache OpenOffice mail lists on Nabble http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/OpenOffice-f2721033.subapps.html are also available.Able to search for and follow topics for both projects with common set of tools. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/V4-0-On-Mac-OS-X-small-vertical-scroller-does-not-scroller-is-flaky-tp4060723p4060837.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Maurice, Simply reopen issue fdo#60858 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858 , but you will need to make a strong case from a UX position as to why a horizontal rule direct style object is needed. Also, HTML styles and direct editing still support use of HR or HR / tagging so the horizontal rule is an more an issue of direct styling paragraph separators. A more precise discussion Ask LibreOffice thread is: selection-of-horizontal-rule-no-longer-possible http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/15930/selection-of-horizontal-rule-no-longer-possible/ Looking at fdo#60858, the decision to remove the direct styling looks to have been one of code maintenance... 2012-11-23 Cédric BosdonnatRemoved horizontal rule ugly 1990 thing Change-Id: Ifafd8b2ffd9af90b6ac4ed2ee0ccd3c5e980731c https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.gita=searchh=HEADst=commits=Ifafd8b2ffd9af90b6ac4ed2ee0ccd3c5e980731c But a case has to be made for UX development to reestablish--that process is via the fdo#60858 bug and the LibreOffice UX-Advise http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/UX-Advise-f3619688.html list. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-3-3-Insert-Horizontal-rule-is-missing-tp4061308p4061331.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
I've gone ahead and reopened the fdo#60858 bug. But, is it a regression or a needed enhancement? In either case, please make your usage case for needing horizontal rule as separators. Should address both direct styling (i.e. from the menu) as well as page styling (i.e. the horizontal rule applied as paragraph separator). -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-3-3-Insert-Horizontal-rule-is-missing-tp4061308p4061335.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Maurice, Your bug was fdo#65719 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65719 but that has been consolidated as a duplicate of fdo#60858 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858 . Please comment against fdo#60858 Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-3-3-Insert-Horizontal-rule-is-missing-tp4061308p4061348.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
I have started a UX-Advise thread on design review of how Horizontal Rulers can be reintroduced to the Writer GUI. How-to-provide-horizontal-rule-paragraph-separators http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-provide-horizontal-rule-paragraph-separators-tp4061353.html Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-3-3-Insert-Horizontal-rule-is-missing-tp4061308p4061356.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Language selection
Should have a link marked -- Change System, Version or Language --translate.google.com service-- Változás Rendszer verzió vagy nyelv próbáld ezt a verziót http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86lang=hu From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eu] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:43 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Language selection Dear Sirs,Your site offer the choose of the language for the install package,but it seems, the install package decide independentthe language of the installation by the language of the operating system.It means, I couldn't install libreoffice Hungarian version on a machine,on which the operating system is German.I look forward to your advice andthank you in advanceAndrás Kiss -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Language selection
András, I beleive you can make needed adjustments from the Tools - Options -Language Settings - Language panel to change the configuration. Not sure of the exact pootle values, but look for something like... =-=-= Deutsch Werkzeuge Optionen Spracheinstellungen Sprache Panel Magyar eszköz Beállítások Nyelvi beállítások Nyelv panel From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eu] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:11 PM To: V Stuart Foote Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Language selection Hi Stuart, Thank you for your quick reply. Before I wrote my mail I have tested the problem: I have downloaded the Hungarian installation set on a computer, on which the Hungarian Windows is installed. When I start the installation on this computer the language is Hungarian. When I install the same file on my other computer on which the OS is German, the installed LibreOffice language is German. I look forward to your answer regarding my original question. Thank you in advance András 2013.06.23. 8:50 keltezéssel, V Stuart Foote írta: Should have a link marked -- Change System, Version or Language --translate.google.com service-- Változás Rendszer verzió vagy nyelv próbáld ezt a verziót http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86lang=hu From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eumailto:kissand...@softap.eu] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:43 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Language selection Dear Sirs,Your site offer the choose of the language for the install package,but it seems, the install package decide independentthe language of the installation by the language of the operating system.It means, I couldn't install libreoffice Hungarian version on a machine,on which the operating system is German.I look forward to your advice andthank you in advanceAndrás Kiss -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Language selection
András, So looks like from the LibreOffice menus in Deutsch... Extras - Optionen - Spracheinstellungen - Sprachen, változás a két Benutzeroberfläche Gebietsschema a Ungarisch mert Magyar nyelv. And then restart LibreOffice. Beyond that, not sure I can help as I don't have access to German language MS Windows. Stuart From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eu] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:35 PM To: V Stuart Foote Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Language selection Hi Stuart, Thank you for the prompt reply. I could change the language of the territory, but I can't change the language of the user level. Do you have any ideas? Thanks and regards András 2013.06.23. 22:13 keltezéssel, V Stuart Foote írta: András, I beleive you can make needed adjustments from the Tools - Options -Language Settings - Language panel to change the configuration. Not sure of the exact pootle values, but look for something like... =-=-= Deutsch Werkzeuge Optionen Spracheinstellungen Sprache Panel Magyar eszköz Beállítások Nyelvi beállítások Nyelv panel From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eumailto:kissand...@softap.eu] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:11 PM To: V Stuart Foote Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Language selection Hi Stuart, Thank you for your quick reply. Before I wrote my mail I have tested the problem: I have downloaded the Hungarian installation set on a computer, on which the Hungarian Windows is installed. When I start the installation on this computer the language is Hungarian. When I install the same file on my other computer on which the OS is German, the installed LibreOffice language is German. I look forward to your answer regarding my original question. Thank you in advance András 2013.06.23. 8:50 keltezéssel, V Stuart Foote írta: Should have a link marked -- Change System, Version or Language --translate.google.com service-- Változás Rendszer verzió vagy nyelv próbáld ezt a verziót http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86lang=hu From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eumailto:kissand...@softap.eu] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:43 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Language selection Dear Sirs,Your site offer the choose of the language for the install package,but it seems, the install package decide independentthe language of the installation by the language of the operating system.It means, I couldn't install libreoffice Hungarian version on a machine,on which the operating system is German.I look forward to your advice andthank you in advanceAndrás Kiss -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.4.1 crashes when running a report
federico quadri wrote I can't understand why 4.0.3.3 is no more downloadable. Available under the downloadarchive of old builds and releases... http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/4.0.3.3 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-4-1-crashes-when-running-a-report-tp4061319p4062844.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Language selection
András, Oh, of course! Completely forgot that you needed to open the installer and check the additional languages in a custom configuration--otherwise the dictionaries and any fonts are not added. And when on windows, can use the Add/Remove programs (appwiz.cpl) and modify the installation to perform the same additional language customization. Glad you've got it sorted. Stuart From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eu] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:52 AM To: V Stuart Foote Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Language selection Hi Stuart, I have found the solution: If you start the installation you must choose the Custom installation instead of the Typical and you can set additional languages. After this will be the language settable in the User interface. Thanks and regards András 2013.06.23. 23:15 keltezéssel, V Stuart Foote írta: András, So looks like from the LibreOffice menus in Deutsch... Extras - Optionen - Spracheinstellungen - Sprachen, változás a két Benutzeroberfläche Gebietsschema a Ungarisch mert Magyar nyelv. And then restart LibreOffice. Beyond that, not sure I can help as I don't have access to German language MS Windows. Stuart From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eumailto:kissand...@softap.eu] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:35 PM To: V Stuart Foote Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Language selection Hi Stuart, Thank you for the prompt reply. I could change the language of the territory, but I can't change the language of the user level. Do you have any ideas? Thanks and regards András 2013.06.23. 22:13 keltezéssel, V Stuart Foote írta: András, I beleive you can make needed adjustments from the Tools - Options -Language Settings - Language panel to change the configuration. Not sure of the exact pootle values, but look for something like... =-=-= Deutsch Werkzeuge Optionen Spracheinstellungen Sprache Panel Magyar eszköz Beállítások Nyelvi beállítások Nyelv panel From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eumailto:kissand...@softap.eu] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:11 PM To: V Stuart Foote Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Language selection Hi Stuart, Thank you for your quick reply. Before I wrote my mail I have tested the problem: I have downloaded the Hungarian installation set on a computer, on which the Hungarian Windows is installed. When I start the installation on this computer the language is Hungarian. When I install the same file on my other computer on which the OS is German, the installed LibreOffice language is German. I look forward to your answer regarding my original question. Thank you in advance András 2013.06.23. 8:50 keltezéssel, V Stuart Foote írta: Should have a link marked -- Change System, Version or Language --translate.google.com service-- Változás Rendszer verzió vagy nyelv próbáld ezt a verziót http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86lang=hu From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eumailto:kissand...@softap.eu] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:43 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Language selection Dear Sirs,Your site offer the choose of the language for the install package,but it seems, the install package decide independentthe language of the installation by the language of the operating system.It means, I couldn't install libreoffice Hungarian version on a machine,on which the operating system is German.I look forward to your advice andthank you in advanceAndrás Kiss -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Horizontal lines (rules) disappeared from Insert menu
The Insert -- Horizontal Rule feature was removed at the 4.0.0 release, including its gallery of graphics objects. And it was not replaced. There is an active bug fdo#60858 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858 , and discussion in the UX-Advise http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-provide-horizontal-rule-paragraph-separators-tt4061353.html functional design forum. For now, working in Writer, only capability is the manual insertion of a graphic as separator, or using text entry to format the paragraph style to include a paragraph boundary marking on the bottom edge. That is done, while completing a paragraph, by immediate keyboard entry of a triplet of: - (dash), _ (underscore), = (equal), * (asterisk) , ~ (tilde) or # (hash). And each will apply direct formatting creating a bottom edge border for the paragraph. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Horizontal-lines-rules-disappeared-from-Insert-menu-tp4063114p4063122.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: styles for plays?
Helen, Interesting issue. The manual centering is simply multiple tabs ,\t, or multiple space characters. Replace the multiple occurrences with nothing to remove it and bring all text to left margin. Get all the formatting removed so you are left with just the text. The key to your effort is to remove the direct styling from the text, and apply document wide styling to paragraphs. Choose from existing styles, or create new style sto apply against paragraphs, fonts, pages of each play as you'd like. If you are comfortable extracting the XML text component--content.xml-- from the .odt container you can flush it through the stream editor--sed. Or gawk, or perl, or python, etc. to make editing corrections (removing white space and joining actor to their lines with a colon). Then return the edited content.xml back to the .odt container, and then apply consistent styles from LibreOffice. However, working within Writer--you can accomplish much of the text clean up using the find-replace GUI widget. Open the + other options panel, and select the regular expression checkbox. LibreOffice regular expressions are described here: https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/List_of_Regular_Expressions with a bit more detailed instruction here (panels are a bit different between LibreOffice and OpenOffice): http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Regular_Expressions_in_Writer The other approach, would be to open the document and copy all contents out to a text file, then edit that with sed, gawk, perl or python--and insert the now consistent text into a new LibreOffice document and then apply styles to the text. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/styles-for-plays-tp4063106p4063138.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
From: William Drago [wdr...@suffolk.lib.ny.us] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 6:32 AM ... Horizontal Line Style in the Styles and Formatting window. If the entry for horizontal lines is not visible in the list of Paragraph Styles, select All Styles in the lower listbox. Well, there is no Horizontal Line Style listed even after selecting All Styles. No, it is there. open the Styles and Formatting window, first button on the Formatting toolbar (or just enter F11). When panel opens, if still set to install defaults, you'll be on the Paragraph tab with Default Style selected and the filter dropdown list set to Automatic. With that filter in place Horizontal Line is not a listed paragraph style. Change the drop down filter to ALL, or to HTML and you'll see the Horizontal Line. Unfortunately, the line weights for the paragraph border (just the bottom edge) set by the Horizontal Line style default settings are too thin. And the associated text handling for the paragraph style don't seem correct--but that could just be misuse on my part. Paragraph bottom border assigned as horizontal line with auto-replace of character triplets seem to have more reasonable default line weights--but since those are a direct styling of each paragraph, it is more efficient in the long run to figure out use of the style and formatting panel to handle whole document. Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Nabble or smth like that
Nick, This is the link to the LibreOffice Nabble User mail-list archive http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Users-f1639498.html And usnsubscribe by sending an email to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org or if you were taking a digest of the mail list: users+unsubscribe-dig...@global.libreoffice.org More help about unsubscribe is here: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe Stuart From: NickKolok [nickko...@mail.ru] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 10:58 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Nabble or smth like that Greetings from Russia, comrads! I've heard that there is a way to unsubsribe from this mailing list and read messages on a website called something like Nabble. Could ypou please tell me more about this? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Not impossible, you just have to reassert the paragraph style back to default (or to the paragraph style you are using for non HR separated text blocks). From: Maurice [maur...@bcs.org.uk] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:33 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:44:49 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: you will see one of a variety of borders attached to the preceding paragraph. This line is a property of that paragraph, not an entity by itself My problem with those is they seem impossible to delete! -- /\/\aurice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice website security
Petre, As has been pointed out to you several times since last month. This is not a problem of the LibreOffice download web servers. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Security-Issue-td4061840.html It is likely a FALSE Positive reported by your AVIRA anti-virus packages heuristic detection routines. http://www.avira.com/en/support-threats-description/tid/4142/tlang/en Your system is probably fine, please stop spreading FUD and it would be most productive if you were to properly submit a report to AVIRA so they can verify a the TDF site is clean and correct their detection routines--especially necessary with heuristic methods. Also, as AVIRA publishes frequent updated definitions and detection routines, having raised the specter of a Malware issue it is only good etiquette to test issue is resolved and to report its resolution back to this forum. Everyone else, please let's abandon this thread pending substantive reporting back from Petre regards what AVIRA finds--and move attention to more productive discussions actually related to LibreOffice. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-website-security-tp4061786p4065309.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: HTML Source
The UI Instructions are correct, if a little terse. The missing key is that the document must be a valid .HTM or .HTML file type. Done to a ODF formated document, by either *Export *to XHTML, or by using the*Save as* and selecting the HTML Document (Writer) and allowing the conversion to other than ODF format. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4065381/SavaAs_convertToHTML%28Writer%29dialog.jpg So either export to HTML or save a copy of an .ODT file being edited to HTML. Simply renaming using Widnows Explorer won't do the conversion, it needs to actually be HTML. Then when being edited in Writer, the View menu will show the HTML source. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4065381/Menu_VeiwHTML.jpg Which can also be toggled with an ALT+V, ALT+M accelerator when document has been detected as valid HTML or XHTML. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/HTML-Source-tp4065331p4065381.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
STOP! Anne, glad you're back but seriously? HSQLDB is the short title and Web address for HyperSQL, the Java language based SQL relational database that StarOffice then Sun chose as the imbedded database for the project. Currently we include the 1.8 release, and efforts will either see that ripped out of LibreOffice to be replaced, or the version of HSQLDB will be upgraded to a current 2.3 release. Mark, et al., all the details you could ever want are on the project webpage at hsqldb.org, just mind the version differences. Stuart From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:15 AM To: anne-ology; Mark LaPierre Cc: Mail List LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Hi :) My guess is that he meant H Sql Db SQL = the standard language used by most database programs. Most add a little bit (few extra commands and stuff) to the basic language to help ensure that people can't easily switch to another program even though they all ostensibly use Sql. Db = Database H is the only bit that distinguishes exactly which program is being talked about. Note that other programs also use Sql or Db in their name. For example MySql/MariaDb, Postgresql. Only Access doesn't have any of that in it's name. Of course MS make many claims that Access does use Sql but it's such a heavily tweaked version of Sql that it's almost unrecognisable. If you learn Access then you need to forgetre-learn if you want to switch to anything else. The others tend to just have a few differences so it's not so tough to move between them. At least, so i have heard. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com Cc: Mail List LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 16:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) before then communication was simply speaking to be understood ;-) BTW - many of these acronyms are duplicated - which causes even more confusion to the listener ;-) On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 07/13/2013 05:36 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: HSLQLDB is a bit picky about the syntax Does anyone know where I can find a good reference on HSLQLDB syntax? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: HSLQLDB syntax
Grivin, Thanks, no doubt you're correct as I admittedly did not research adoption of HSQLDB further. And that predates my use of OpenOffice. Was fighting with Sybase and Oracle products, while avoiding MS Access. Interesting history none the less :-) Stuart Girvin R. Herr wrote To keep the record straight, Stardivision's StarOffice did not use HSQLDB. Unless the name has been changed, Stardivision used the ADABASE D database engine in their StarOffice. As far as I can research, Sun dropped the proprietary Adabase D engine in favor of HSQLDB after it took over the StarOffice code from Stardivision. I never was able to get Adabase D working for me back then, but I was ignorant of real (non-Access) databases then and the StarOffice Adabase D database documentation was terrible. Girvin Herr -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/HSLQLDB-syntax-tp4065310p4065574.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Mark, Hey why should you care that it is off topic, no one else seems to understand the concept ;-) So, regards movement toward a non-Java JRE dependent default SQL DB for integration with the Base component. Several Bugzilla items worth reviewing: considering and rejecting SQLite as replacement https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38811 find a replacement for HSQLDB v1.8 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51781 considering an update to HSQLDB v2.x https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44854 move default to FireBird not HSQLDB in Base -- this is the current development effort https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780 Finally, here is the Wiki based project coordination for implementing FirebirdSQL https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Base/FirebirdSQL Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer. Stuart From: Mark LaPierre [marklap...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Well actually, I was going to ask what might replace HSQLDB but I thought it might be a bit too far off topic. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Yes if one or both are fully installed (as opposed to /A administrative installs) they will interfere in subtle ways. Actions to mitigate: 1) Disable the Quickstarter for both during installation -- the TDF LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice versions will conflict--best if both are off. Done from AppWiz.cpl and a modify installation of both. 2) Also, only one or the other should have the Windows Explorer Integration enabled (it provides a thumbnail view of ODF documents) in Desktop or Thumbnail views in Windows Explorer (Desktop and other folder views). Personally I also leave that unchecked when installing. 3) Finally, if using the release rather than development builds. The Windows registry will be written with file associations--the two programs should coexist to open a file type, but only one can be set as the default for any particular ODF or MS Office format. So keep track of that. Good luck. From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:13 PM To: Virgil Arrington; us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them. This link might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil -- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] LO 4 install deletes 3.6
Virgil, Not sure how far down the rabbit hole you'd like to go, but the simple truth is that full installs of LibreOffice 3.x and LibreOffice 4.x use identical components of Microsoft Windows registry and system paths and are mutually exclusive. One can happily run multiple versions of LibreOffice (or a mix of LibreOffice and OpenOffice), but they will not be fully integrated with Microsoft Windows OS--and at any given time only one can be fully integrated with the Windows OS. Recognizing that this is the normal use case--that is how the LibreOffice installer behaves by default. If you need it to do something else you have to do more than click on the installer. And, fyi, the Apache OpenOffice installer behaves exactly the same, but is less functional in migrating user settings and supporting extensions. Stuart From: Virgil Arrington [cuyfa...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:52 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] LO 4 install deletes 3.6 In an attempt to compare the latest LO and AOO offerings, today I installed both LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 on my Win7 machine. Until now, I have been happily using LO 3.6.6.2, having previously tried an earlier release in the LO 4 series. When I previously installed LO 4, I noticed that it seemed to uninstall my previous version of LO 3.6. After encountering some problems with LO 4, I uninstalled it and reinstalled LO 3.6. On the prior occasion, I just assumed that, when installing LO 4, I had inadvertently clicked some option to uninstall the old 3.6. So, today, when I installed LO 4, I was very careful to make sure that I did not check any box indicating my desire to uninstall LO 3.6.6.2. Nevertheless, LO 4 installed and, once again, my installation of LO 3.6.6.2 disappeared. Does anyone know if this is intentional behavior? It has happened to me now twice, and I’m 90% certain that it was not due to anything I did. If it is intentional, I find it most offensive. I can’t believe the TDF developers would be so presumptuous as to decide for me that I no longer want LO 3.6 on my system. This is the type of “let us think for you” behavior I would expect from MS, not from a FOSS project. btw, AOO 4.0 installed quite nicely *next to* AOO 3.4.1, and I am able to run both programs. Sorry, TDF, but on this one I have to give AOO a +1. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Steve, Well yes, but Windows has completely different application configurations for the Launchers on OS X, where manipulation of each programs .APP and some Plist values. And there are major differences in launcher setup with info.plist and each applications .app file when moving between OS X 10.6, 10.7, and 10.8--indications are that won't even run on 10.9. And of course the mix of DE and application packaging on the Linux flavors is an interesting mix as well. So the three primary OS environments for configuring LibreOffice are different enough that we can't generalize across the OSs even though the code base is mostly in common. That is because installation/configuration is where things diverge the most. Windows is an ugly beast. Linux Kernels and Darwin have reasonable methods for the most part. Although Unity leaves me scratching my head on occasion. Stuart From: Steve Edmonds [steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:33 PM To: V Stuart Foote Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi. I have 3.6, 4.1dev. and AOO 4.0 installed together on my mac. Steve On 2013-07-24 12:41, V Stuart Foote wrote: Yes if one or both are fully installed (as opposed to /A administrative installs) they will interfere in subtle ways. Actions to mitigate: 1) Disable the Quickstarter for both during installation -- the TDF LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice versions will conflict--best if both are off. Done from AppWiz.cpl and a modify installation of both. 2) Also, only one or the other should have the Windows Explorer Integration enabled (it provides a thumbnail view of ODF documents) in Desktop or Thumbnail views in Windows Explorer (Desktop and other folder views). Personally I also leave that unchecked when installing. 3) Finally, if using the release rather than development builds. The Windows registry will be written with file associations--the two programs should coexist to open a file type, but only one can be set as the default for any particular ODF or MS Office format. So keep track of that. Good luck. From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:13 PM To: Virgil Arrington; us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them. This link might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil -- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] stable vs new
Folks, In opening this thread ( Nabble http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/stable-vs-new-tp4068750.html ) Tom is correct in a practical sense. Stability is an inherent component of a mature product. And testing during the development cycles by more potential user willing to invest a little time in QA is essential to the health of the project. But a key aspect Tom omits is that LibreOffice development and release stages are tightly timed--and by proxy so is its support. Nor does he mention that the project has stayed on schedule since inception--synchronizing to a six month minor release cycle implemented in a broader ecosystem of Free and Open Source Software. The Release Plan for LibreOffice publishes the release schedule, current status and a historical record of the project, worth a read: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Plan Keeping to the time based release plan means that the delay between initial release on a minor version and the next minor version release is just six months. And that the delay between the x.x.0 release and each bug fix release has been and will continue to be just one month. So, while I don't completely agree Toms' assessment of how far along each bug fix takes things--it is just not the way the user feedback, QA,and development work proceeds--but it is not unreasonable practical advise. Support has kept to the same cycle--for the most part--user documentation (static HTML or wiki based, and published) can always use more active contributors and lags a bit as a result. This is not just development churn, there is solid User eXperience, QA and development work at every tick of the release cycle. And as a minor release nears end of its development life it gets less and less development attenetion--QA and development resources long since shifted to new development and bug fixes. Enhancements and bug fixes become more and more costly to push backward with each tick in development cycle--so less likely to occur. In a sense that also is stability, or maybe stagnation. The project is on sound footings as a time based release, that is not going to change so no sense in debating it here. Rather, if you have specific questions or comments about its implementation or how best to make use of software from time based release manged project that would be a worthwhile discussion. Stuart a LibreOffice QA volunteer, focusing on accessibility issues. p.s. For use Accessibility and Assistive Technology tools the use of a Java 7, Java Runtime Environment and the Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 was not ported backward to the 3.6.x branch. It was included in the 4.1.0 release, and has been patched for the upcoming 4.0.5 release. Users of 3.6.x must continue to use a Java 6 JRE (e.g. 1.6u45) and manual install of Java Access Bridge v2.0.2. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: stable vs new
Girvin, Girvin R. Herr wrote Now I know why I keep getting 3.x update notices when 4.x has been released some time ago. That surprised, but pleased, me. As a result of your description, I will have to repackage and install 3.6.7 after my monthly backup today. Absolutely, there is nothing wrong with continuing to use the earlier releases. Just be aware that the 3.6.x minor release will be designated EOL development status the 15th of this month. Meaning, it is a final release (for the minor and 3.6 major branch) No further patches will be accepted for the release and no project effort to fix compatibility or security issues. Support will continue in the mail list forum and the Ask site as well as Bugzilla issue tracking---but quality of that support will slack off as fewer users maintain a 3.6.x branch install. LibOReleaseLifecycle.png https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/2/2c/LibOReleaseLifecycle.png This graphic from the release plan presents a concise view of the project. With work on the master branch extending into the future, each minor release branch is categorized as release canidate, for Early adopters, for Recommended use, for Conservative use. With its EOL eminent, using 3.6.7 you would be well in the Conservative category--meaning simply that it is not the Project recommended category, which has shifted to the 4.0 major release--a 4.0.4 build. Please note, that when released at the end of the month--the 4.0.5 build will also transition to a conservative category. But as you say, what ever works best for your productivity, we just want you and others to understand the project infrastructure and how best they can contribute. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/stable-vs-new-tp4068750p4068822.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Conflicts?
Personally I've experienced no conflicts in documents when moving from AOO to LO 4.0/4.1 or back. But then I am comfortable moving between releases and administrative installs for QA work. Regards the design goals of a Sidebar, some good documentation worth a read. Apache OpenOffice 4.0 release notes on Sidebar are here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes an extract of the lead developers comments about how Sidebar was integrated are here: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Overview And when it was picked up for inclusion in LibreOffice 4.1.0 as an experimental feature, LO Devs have done some additional cleanup and rework of the UI as described in the those release notes: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.1#Other Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Conflicts-tp4066896p4068908.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1 and the Windows taskbar
Issues with Windows 7 and 8, Taskbar Startmenu and Jump List implementation has been cleaned up on the 4.1.1 and master builds. Should have better results with the upcomming 4.1.1 release. See FDO#35785 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35785 for details. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-4-1-and-the-Windows-taskbar-tp4070007p4070025.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.
Tom, Activating a Java Runtime Environment in LibreOffice 3.5.4 took a little while to complete its initial load following upgrade, but the JRE 1.7 update 5 does function correctly with JAB 2.02 installed with LibreOffice 3.5.4 on 64-bit Windows 7. So, not a problem with the LibreOffice Accesibility and the Assistive technology tools. Installation of the updates (32bit and 64bit versions from java.com) did not corrupt my LibreOffice user profile, and JAB 2.0.2 was not affected. The NVDA screen reader continues to work correctly with LibreOffice. So, the JRE installer is not the problem, and that leaves LibreOffice user profile configuration issues. I suspect you were just unluky this time round with the Java update misconfiguring some component of your profile. I beleive Bjørn's guidance to delete or to rename the *javasettings_Windows_x86.xml* file is the correct way to clear the issue by allowing your user profile to rebuild. Or you could completely remove your LibreOffice user profile and allow it to be rebuilt with defaults. The full profile is the folder located at *C:\Users\your user name\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user* which can be renamed. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/latest-java-update-has-broken-my-install-of-Libre-Office-tp3992173p3992267.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.
Tom, Java based programs on a Windows OS are frustratingly unstable when multiple Java Runtime Environments are present because of the way program configurations are pointed to the version of Java to call--registry entries, user environment variables, system environment variables. For stability, run with just one JRE--but don't allow it to update until convenient for you to monitor changes. You could jump in and immediately uninstall all things Java based (NVDA, Dolphin, JAB) and LibreOffice--and clean the registry. And then reinstall everything so configuration files are correct. But one simple option for additional troubleshooting would be to create a new user account on the computer. Login to it--and test your Java components. If JAB based utilities run, then check them in LibreOffice. And if while using the new account, JAB based programs fail (and they may), you probably will need to uninstall and reinstall. But if all is good for the new user account, the problem *is* configuration issue for you normal account, and you will need to dig into your Windows user profile. An uninstall, reinstall will fix either case but is tedious and error prone -- so use an uninstaller ( I prefer the VSRevo products with moderate registry clean-up, the free version is fine for 32-bit, but would need the Pro for 64-bit--has a modest license fee to use beyond trial period -- find them here: freeware 32-bit only -- http://www.revouninstaller.com/start_freeware_download.html pro version 32/64 -bit trial -- http://www.revouninstaller.com/download-professional-version.php ) Then reload these Windows programs in order: JRE 1.7u5 (this would now be the ONLY Java runtime on the system, with fresh configuration laid down) Java Access Bridge (use Jamal Mazrui's JWin installer from http://empowermentzone.com/JWin.htm ) Dolphin or NVDA (or both) (test that they're working) LibreOffice 3.5.4 (select the JRE, and activate Accessibility -- assistive technology tools) Obviously once Dolphin or NVDA come off you are likely to need some sighted assistance with the interface, but it should be brief and by running through the clean up this way--you will be more likely to have a stable and fully functioning system as an outcome. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/latest-java-update-has-broken-my-install-of-Libre-Office-tp3992173p3992366.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my installof Libre Office.
Tom, But the Java Access Bridge, v 2.02 did load against JRE 1.7u5--correct? Are you back up with your NVDA, and or Dolphin screen reader? Did you delete (or rename) your LibreOffice user profile following the uninstall prior to launching LibreOffice after reload? That would be the entire C:\Users\your user name\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice folder. Any difference working with a newly created user account? Stuart From: Tom Randall [mailto:kf6...@comcast.net] Sent: Tue 6/26/2012 11:10 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my installof Libre Office. Hi all. Ok well I have done as complete an uninstall and registry cleaning as I can reasonably do at this point. After uninstalling all java related things including L.O. I cleaned the registry and there were in fact some errors that were corrected. So I then re-installed the programs in the order that Stuart suggested. However, when I run L.O. and try to enable accessibility I get this error message. LibreOffice requires a Java runtime environment (JRE) to perform this task. The selected JRE is defective. Please select another version or install a new JRE and select it under Tools - Options - LibreOffice - Java. OK So, this is where I am at this point. I hope to hell somebody figures out what is going on with this since I am apparently not the only person having this problem. Fortunately my Mac version of L.O. is still working so I can use it to actually get work done because I cannot afford to keep frakking around with this all week. I'm done ranting for now, I do appreciate you guys trying to help out and I am sure we will get this figured out eventually. Best regards, Tom -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install ofLibre Office.
Michael, Have marked your File -- Send Java Bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50863 50863 as duplicate of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50371 50371 . It is probably related to the JRE problems folks are having with the Java Access Bridge based Accessibility features. But the JRE 1.7 misconfiguration issues are really only affecting Windows users (32-bit and 64-bit) the problems are with Windows unique configruation issues with the LibreOffice build and in JRE configuration under Windows (registry, system environment, user environment). More activity on the earlier 50371 report, and I have added the primary Windows build maintainer to the Bug. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/latest-java-update-has-broken-my-install-of-Libre-Office-tp3992173p3992534.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Does this file crash with the latest 3.6 beta?
Andreas, No crash observed. Guess you'll stay the course a while longer... Results as opened in LO 3.6.0.2, on Windows 7, 64-bit. Days column were not rendered on the MediaFire file preview in IE9 or FF 14.0.1 DOB Years Months Days 01/02/1994 18 6 24 01/03/2003 9 6 23 01/04/2002 10 6 22 01/07/2001 11 6 19 01/09/1977 35 6 17 01/13/1997 15 6 13 01/13/2004 8 6 13 01/20/1976 36 6 6 01/21/1983 29 6 5 01/23/1962 50 6 3 Stuart From: Andreas Säger [mailto:ville...@t-online.de] Sent: Wed 7/25/2012 11:26 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Does this file crash with the latest 3.6 beta? Hi, The simple spreadsheet document http://www.mediafire.com/view/?1s1wui59p3p2oxz crashes with LO-Dev Beta 1 (Build ID: 1f1cdd8). I know there is a more recent build of 3.6 but 3.5 will be my last version of LibreOffice. If someone confirms the crash with a more recent build, that would be a show stopper. Thanks, A.S. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
Marc Grober wrote First, I may be inconsequential, but I did not see any apology. Perhaps it only went out on the dev list. Yes the apology was issued over on the Dev and QA lists--inserted below. But we folks on the QA and User side do have a responsibility to follow our bugs when posted, and to participate when calls for NEEDINFO are issued. And also, that when bugs are closed we reopen them with careful attention to the information needed to fully describe the bug and the quality of detail the Devs will needs to resolve. Otherwise, let's move on folks! Stuart Joel Madero (to the Devs and QA lists) wrote Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:33:49 -0700 From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com Subject: Bug Closing Automation - Apology Hi All, First off, sorry that I'm starting a new thread, I'm not sure how to reply to something from the digest in gmail. A couple days ago there was a very brief discussion about NEEDINFO and that it wasn't very useful to have the NEEDINFO status sit for weeks or months on end if the users weren't responding to our requests for more information. I jumped the gun and asked if there was a way to automate closing these bugs if they were open for some period of time, another user volunteered to do this and went ahead and did it. I take full responsibility for the ill feelings, I should have waited longer for more input and thought about it more clearly before requesting if someone had the ability to automatically close these bugs. It has pissed off quite a few people, I take the blame, please direct your irritation my way and not at Florian or any other member of the QA team. Best wishes to everyone, Joel -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Excuse-me-but-your-opinion-is-simply-unimportant-Start-over-and-you-can-expect-more-of-the-same-tp4001269p4001571.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simplyunimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
Michael, It is pretty rare for specifics of bugs to be entered on the Users list, where there might have a passing comment that a bug would be or had been filed. But often no additional details of the bug in the discussion. But, that said, the threads are pretty descriptive. Being a new subscriber, maybe the Nabble web interface would be of use to efficiently identify substantive issues that may have associated bugs. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Users-f1639498.html Stuart From: Michael Meeks [mailto:michael.me...@suse.com] Sent: Thu 8/16/2012 11:50 AM snip One thing that frustrates me, since I've only just subscribed is that we seem to be talking about a load of bugs with no numbers I can easily lookup. I'd greatly appreciate it if some kind soul could scrape the thread in their mailbox for a list of bug links to the most significant issues and aggregate them in a single mail - so I can go and triage them. snip -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice Kills Windows Explorer
Dave, Already tracked in Bugzilla. The LibreOffice shell extension is being patched for 3.6.1 release. Bug #52078 ( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52078 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52078 ) has been closed resolved for 3.6.1 release. It was in the most annoying bugs https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6 But two new related active bugs have been spun off. fdo#53533 ( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53533 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53533 ) and fdo#53534 ( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53534 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53534 ). The fdo#53533 is to handle malformed or misnamed ODF files--which cause the LibreOffice shell extension to crash the Windows Explorer shell. While fdo#53534 enhances the LibreOffice Windows shell extension to handle flat file ODF content. Meanwhile, the Windows shell extension is an optional component at installation--could exclude it. Or just advise users of issue of pointing to ODF documents in Windows Explorer causing Explorer to crash, and not to do it. Open from within LO application. Stuart -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java
Bob, Review the LibreOffice Java configuration file with notepad, it is located at C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config\javase ttings_Windows_x86.xml Note that it has stanzas for Location and Version details--those must match the version of the 32-bit Java JRE you are attempting to run. If you have an entry in your PATH environment variable pointing to a 32-bit JRE, then deleting the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml configuration file will allow it to be rebuilt with the correct JRE details for your system. This delete/rebuild during version upgrades is just part of housekeeping that needs to happen. If you don't allow the rebuild--then the old JRE 1.6 configuration file will always fail with a 1.7 version JRE. As to dropping use of a JRE--this link shows exactly the LibreOffice components that have a Java dependency. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Java Stuart -Original Message- From: Bob McDonald [mailto:bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:23 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java I'm having a bit of a bother with any version of Libreoffice installed with JRE 1.7 on Windows 7. Libreoffice crashes on start with any version of Java JRE greater than 1.6. If I go back to 1.6 I'm O.K. Anyone else having issues? If so and this is a new bug, what do you want to see? Regards, Bob Bob McDonald Sr. IPAM Engineer (P) 267-236-0145 (F) 267-236-0016 (C) 215-370-3411 bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.commailto:bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com PCN Technical Expertise. Tangible Results. www.PCN-Inc.comhttp://www.lanusa.com/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Unhandled Exception: InvalidRegistryException
@contrazz, Should not need to re-install again, rather to clear things you'll need to completely remove (or rename) your old user configuration. Found here: C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\ Any extensions or customizations you have are likely not functional at 3.6, so deleting is probably simplest. Stuart -Original Message- From: contrazz [mailto:dig...@contrawise.net] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 3:58 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Unhandled Exception: InvalidRegistryException I just upgraded from 3.3 to 3.6 on a Win7 installation. I'm getting a fatal error: Unhandled Exception: InvalidRegistryException. Text of error: File:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)LibreOffice%203.6/program/../share/ext ensions/NLPSolver/components.rdb: duplicate implementation name=com.sun.star.comp.Calc.NLPSolverDEPSSolverImpl Re-installation hasn't helped. Nor has re-starting. Thanks in advance for any wisdom anyone can pass along ... -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java
Folks should understand that the Java Accessibility Bridge foundation for LibreOffice Assistive Technology and Accessibility Tools is one of the primary components entirely dependent on a functional JRE? Java is going to be with us in LibreOffice long after JRE 1.6 has been dropped from Oracle support. Dealing with JRE 1.7 configuration is necessary now and in the future. So, JRE 1.6u34 is the latest release of that branch and JRE 1.7u06 is the latest of that branch. But, both are completely functional with LibreOffice when properly configured, and both support Java Accessibility Bridge and Assistive Technology and the Accessibility Tools in LibreOffice. The problem is when they are not configured correctly. Java Access Bridge, LibreOffice AT, and LibreOffice in general require use of a 32-bit JRE to work seamlessly. Users on 64-bit Windows are tripped up by the Oracle JRE installers (or Ninite installer packaging) that generically install the 64-bit JRE. It is the generic Windows centric installation--of executables copied into the C:\Windows\System32 and C:\Windows\SysWOW64 folders that causes most problems for LibreOffice Java Access Bridge dependent users of LO Accessibility Tools. Simply put, the wrong version of the JRE gets called. To avoid that for JRE, JAB and LibreOffice AT users, forcing a proper configuration requires removal of the generic executables and inclusion of the JRE into system PATH variable. Convention says use a JAVA_HOME variable, but the full path to the JRE bin directory is just as effective, e.g. append ;C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre7\bin to the PATH variable. Sounds simplistic, but if you start with a solid 32-bit JRE install, the JAB will go on cleanly (use the JWin tool). Follow that with NVDA or commercial screen reader, and then a LibreOffice 3.6.1 installation. Which now offers Accessibility support during installation and startup. Additionally, for users that had a JRE 1.6 installation and had problems following a JRE 1.7 upgrade. Doing an upgrade to JRE 1.7 does not clear the JRE 1.6 configuration that LibreOffice had been using--and suspect there are JAB and other assistive technologies that will also have broken configurations. The most reliable way is to remove it all and start from the JRE installation. But for certain, with LibreOffice the configuration has to be manually cleared--and allowed to rebuild with correct JRE 1.7 details. A JRE 1.6 installation would be just as trouble prone if it were not configured correctly. Stuart -Original Message- From: Bob McDonald [mailto:bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:07 PM To: Tom Randall; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java It seems to work fine if you take JRE 1.7 off the machine and install JRE 1.6... Once they take Java out of the equation, it'll be fixed. Until they do, however, take 1.7 off and Install 1.6. That seems to fix the problem. YMMV, Bob Bob McDonald Sr. IPAM Engineer (P) 267-236-0145 (F) 267-236-0016 (C) 215-370-3411 bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com PCN Technical Expertise. Tangible Results. www.PCN-Inc.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java
Tom, Great idea--paste away. Feel free to edit my ramblings since I can be a bit verbose. But it gets even better, at least on the accessibility side (remembering though that a functioning Java JRE is required for other LO components). So now, in addition to JavaFX, Oracle has bundled Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 into the JRE 1.7u6; it is installed by default but is left inactive when a patch-in-place upgrade of JRE is done. I think the toggle between JAB active and inactive is going to be an issue during LO installation and use. http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/technotes/guides/access/enable_and_test.html#enabling_jab Jamal Mazrui's JWin JAB installer isn't obsolete, probably still the way to go for a clean JAB v2.0.2 installation, especially with a JRE 1.6u34 install. But I've sent Jamal a note suggesting it might be time to rework the JWin installer. Also, I have an open bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54064 of how I think the JRE and JAB bit me during a LO 3.6.1.2 (RC2) test installation--manifested as an installer hang at java with incomplete LO user configuration build for a non-privileged user account. Haven't yet attempted to reproduce to verify--but reopened the bug for review as I believe it is a Java JRE / JAB related installation issue that will need some work. Stuart From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tue 8/28/2012 9:12 AM To: V Stuart Foote; users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java Hi :) I really liked this answer and i think we need an FAQ page about java because the issue keeps cropping up. It seems a lot of people here each know about different problems with java and it would be good to collect together some of the issues and how to work around them. So, i made the page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java and am about to copy paste Stuart's email into the page. Please feel free to edit to make the page more useful. Regards from Tom :) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] RE: Unhandled Exception: InvalidRegistryException
If it is a Windows Vista or Windows 7 system the path to the profile is a s listed. It may be hidden. To unhide open Windows Explorer shell - Tools - Folder Options - View and in the Advanced settings section tic the radio button Show hidden files, folders, and drives The per-user C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice folder should become visible. Simply delete or rename it. That should clear any misconfiguration of extensions. The Wiki link Tom Davies posted has locations for other operating systems. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Unhandled-Exception-InvalidRegistryException-tp4003914p4004054.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
Bob McDonald wrote JRE 1.7 32 bit edition works if (and only if) JRE 1.6 is installed first and is pointed to in the options. (you can even uninstall JRE 1.6 afterward...) Neither of the 64 bit versions work. (or show up as Java versions in the options list under LO) Actually, that is completely wrong and in reality is one of the reasons so many folks have problems with the transition from JRE 1.6 to JRE 1.7--they do not clear out the old and incorrect configurations. Here are extracts of the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml configuration file with the JRE in use by Libre Office. It is found per-user at C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config For JRE 1.6u34: jreLocations xsi:nil=true/ javaInfo xsi:nil=false vendorUpdate=2004-01-30 autoSelect=false vendorOracle Corporation/vendor locationfile:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre6/location version1.6.0_34/version features0/features requirements0/requirements and of JRE 1.7u6 jreLocations xsi:nil=true/ javaInfo xsi:nil=false vendorUpdate=2004-01-30 autoSelect=false vendorOracle Corporation/vendor locationfile:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre7/location version1.7.0_06/version features0/features requirements0/requirements This .XML configuration file is NOT updated when you upgrade your JRE! It must be deleted and allowed to rebuild--using your system environment PATH, or you will end up with non-functional LO Java functions. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-and-Java-tp4003369p4004059.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
Bob, Sorry, too shrill on my part. Just because it was incorrect doesn't mean it was wrong. Apologies--and please remain engaged. Stuart -Original Message- From: Bob McDonald [mailto:bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:18 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java Well that was how it worked for me. Since it is completely wrong, I'll quit posting about it and watch what happens in the future. Have fun! Regards, Bob -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Sun dll shlxthdl and windows explorer.exe crash
Probably related to the LibreOffice's Windows Explorer extension Most issues fixed with 3.6.1 build. Ref these bugzilla reports: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52078 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53533 Install a current Java JRE and LO 3.6.1 and should resolve. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Sun-dll-shlxthdl-and-windows-explorer-exe-crash-tp4004653p4004659.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Sun dll shlxthdl and windows explorer.execrash
Dave, Sorry to hear that. You should consider reopening https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53533 and providing your details there. Also, while it is a hassle, back out LibO 3.6.1.2 deleting per-user profiles. Then reinstall selecting a Custom installation. Deselect the Windows Explorer extension and allow the installation to proceed. See if that clears your issues with ODF--and if you do reopen the bug, add those details to it. Stuart -Original Message- From: Dave Barton [mailto:d...@tasit.net] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:00 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Sun dll shlxthdl and windows explorer.execrash V Stuart Foote wrote: Probably related to the LibreOffice's Windows Explorer extension Most issues fixed with 3.6.1 build. Ref these bugzilla reports: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52078 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53533 Install a current Java JRE and LO 3.6.1 and should resolve. Stuart Unfortunately, this is not the solution. LO Version 3.6.1.2 (Build ID: e29a214) still kills Windows Explorer when the mouse is hovered over some ODF file names. It make no difference if Java is installed or not. Dave -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Sun dll shlxthdl and windows explorer.execrash
Heikki, Recent work on the LibO Windows Explorer extension (shlxthdl.dll) has caused the issue reported in referenced bugs. And is probably not at all related to the the Sun/Oracle JRE in use. Reinstall the 3.6.1.2 after your backup and uninstall. But this time perform a custom installation and uncheck the Windows Explorer extension. The shlxthdl folder and the .dll will not even be installed. Clearing off all your Sun/Oracle Java Runtime Environments, and then installing just a single current Oracle JRE is really just routine maintenance that will result in a more stable Windows system. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Sun-dll-shlxthdl-and-windows-explorer-exe-crash-tp4004653p4005066.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] wiki.documentfoundation.org - Vote_for_Enhancement: Implement the IAccessible2 accessibility API
Folks, I've placed Bug 39956 - Implement the IAccessible2 accessibility API onto the Document Foundation Vote for Enhancements wiki found here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement Most folks would be surprised to find just how spotty and incomplete Accessibility and Assistive Technology tools offered with LibreOffice are. But, I think all can agree that the current UNO - Java Accessibility Bridge continues to present Java Runtime Environment configuration issues for Windows. While Linux/Unix users supported with ATK and AT-SPI have had it better, there are a fair number of unresolved AT issues that affect all LibO/AOo users. Emerging AT-SPI2 efforts of the Open Accessibility (A11y) Group that require integration into LibreOffice are backing up. Implementing IAccessibility2 (NOT a trivial technical issue) would improve accessibility and Assistive Technology tools across all implementations of LibreOffice, and during the effort would present an opportunity to fully implement A11y recommendations. Please review the issues affecting this often overlooked aspect of LibreOffice, and let the BOD and Developer community know more consistent and complete accessibility support is an effort worth pursuing by commenting on the Vote for Enhancements wiki. Regards, Stuart refs: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/accessibility/iaccessible2/overview http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/accessibility/module-ix.html http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2010/07/linux-foundation-delivers-new-licensing-terms-testing-tools-accessi http://developer.gnome.org/accessibility-devel-guide/stable/gad-how-it-works.html.en -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
Yes, that is correct. Would still be broken if you don't also clean up the javasettings .xml configuration file. Additionally, for folks on a 64-bit build of Windows, if you install both a 32-bit and a 64-bit JRE, you need to watch which JRE gets called with LibreOffice. Oracle installers place copies of latest installed executable into the C:\Windows\system32 (the 64-bit executables), and also in C:\Windows\SysWOW64 (for the 32-bit executables). They are copied from the respective installation directories of the JREs, but with a default installation these executables will be found before any other instance referred by the PATH environment, so they are the JREs used by default--and that can cause problems if not expected (as can issues with location of a MS C++ runtime not being present with the Java virtual machine libraries). To convince yourself, leave the C:\Windows copies intact and run a Command Window, and then execute java -version, if you have the 64-bit JRE installed and you will see the version labeled as 64-bit build--not the 32-bit. And that also seems to causes problems for LibreoOffice which on Windows remains 32-bit. To precisely control which JRE is used, you have to remove the executables from the system32 and SysWOW64 directories, and then establish a specific location on the PATH for them. Can be anywhere in the PATH environment variable, but for security after the Windows OS components. Also by convention you can create a JAVA_HOME environment variable and use a %JAVA_HOME%\bin reference in the PATH. Very useful (and the norm in Linux) in that you can programmatically change the JAVA_HOME variable when you need a different JRE (either the version or use of a 64-bit build). Stuart From: Tanstaafl [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org] Sent: Thu 9/6/2012 10:21 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java Thanks Stuart... So, if you (like I always do) first uninstall JRE 1.6, then install 1.7 (32bit of course), will it still be broken? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] LibrreOffice 3.5.6
On Mon 9/10/2012 9:37 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: What we both need is for someone who uses Windows 64 bit to tell us how you can obtain 32 bit Java. (I use Linux.) Use these direct Oracle Java SE Runtime download links and select the 32-bit version appropriate for your OS, for LibreOffice you'll want the 32-bit Windows offline installer: JRE 1.7u7 -- http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html JRE 1.6u35 --http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u35-downloads-1836473.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u35-downloads-1836473.html -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: No Java could be found: LO 3.6.1.2: Win7 pro sp1; java 1.7.0_07
David, Waste of time to dig into the XmlSchema Name space, a little dated but it just works. But a reference is here: http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/5/api/javax/xml/bind/annotation/XmlSchema.html And here are the direct links to download from Oracle. *Either current build*, JRE 1.6u35 or JRE 1.7u7 will work well. Although JRE builds from 1.7u6 onward include the Java Accessibility Bridge, v 2.0.3, if that is of use to you. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u35-downloads-1836473.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html Deleting the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml forces LibreOffice to rebuild per user with a correct template. Each user then chooses what JRE to activate from the LibreOffice Tools - Options - Java panel. And, as Pedro notes, if you are on a 64-bit Win7 system you must install the 32-bit JRE and be sure LibO is using that executable. Only reliable way I've found when both 32-bit and 64-bit versions is to add an entry in the system path pointing to the 32-bit, coupled with a JAVAHOME. We have a Wiki article for Java Access Bridge here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java that should have enough detail. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/No-Java-could-be-found-LO-3-6-1-2-Win7-pro-sp1-java-1-7-0-07-tp4010076p4010119.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] query re. volunteering w/ LO
Anne, Correctly completing the CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart) is your key to establishing an account on the Wiki site maintained by the Document Foundation. We all have to pass that test to establish an account. And then, as we all do, you must authenticate with your personal account to make edits or add new content to the Wiki. Have a read of this Wikipedia site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA and you'll understand what the intent is. Stuart -Original Message- From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 2:18 PM To: Thomas Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. volunteering w/ LO Thanks for responding; I've been attempting to do just that - it states I must log-in to the wiki site ... so I attempt to set-up an account ... each time it states there's some math question with a blank to fill-in to prove I'm not some robot - but not finding this, I continue on only to be sent back to the initial log-in page ??? HOW does one avoid having to sign-in to this wiki site before being able to access the LO portion of the site ??? I've looked all over the page, but cannot locate where this supposed question/blank is located ??? Has no one else been required to log-in to the wiki site first? ... is this something new they've added? ... is there some help/contact page to send questions - and where they will respond with an actual answer? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] query re. volunteering w/ LO
Anne, Oops, looks like the Wiki maintainers have removed the graphical CAPTCHA. The math problem performs the same function and allows screen reader assistive technologies to function (although easier to circumvent). So, solve the math problem and complete the registration (if you've not already done so). Then navigate to the QA pages and edit to put your name in the pool. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/QA_Team Unfortunately, one more hoop for you to complete will be to ALSO create an account on the Bugzilla system hosted by Freedesktop.org-I would strongly recommend you keep these two sets of credentials in sync so you don't confuse yourself. Create the account here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/createaccount.cgi The Document Foundation bugs and requests are all filed under the LibreOffice Category on the hosted service-but you'll have access to all product and project Categories of the bug reporting/tracking system so it will be a little overwhelming. Just pay attention and be methodical to make entries in the correct category. You'll get help, but not a lot of hand holding. And a big thank you for Volunteering. Stuart From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 8:06 PM To: V Stuart Foote Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. volunteering w/ LO I have no problem with registering; but HOW when this CAPTCHA is no where to be found ??? On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote: Anne, Correctly completing the CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart) is your key to establishing an account on the Wiki site maintained by the Document Foundation. We all have to pass that test to establish an account. And then, as we all do, you must authenticate with your personal account to make edits or add new content to the Wiki. Have a read of this Wikipedia site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA and you'll understand what the intent is. Stuart From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 2:18 PM To: Thomas Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. volunteering w/ LO Thanks for responding; I've been attempting to do just that - it states I must log-in to the wiki site ... so I attempt to set-up an account ... each time it states there's some math question with a blank to fill-in to prove I'm not some robot - but not finding this, I continue on only to be sent back to the initial log-in page ??? HOW does one avoid having to sign-in to this wiki site before being able to access the LO portion of the site ??? I've looked all over the page, but cannot locate where this supposed question/blank is located ??? Has no one else been required to log-in to the wiki site first? ... is this something new they've added? ... is there some help/contact page to send questions - and where they will respond with an actual answer? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer bug?(bugzilla-link inside)
(1) No, IIRC Apple does not use the Java Accessibility API and Java Access Bridge for its native Aqua/Cocoa NSAccessibility framework as used in VoiceOver. And OOo/LibO accessibility libraries make use of roles from NSAccessiblity framework to support OS X builds. But for development/implementation of non-Aqua/Cocoa Java accessible applications under OS X, a JRE and Java Access Bridge is required on OS X. So, with Oracle now building the JRE used by OS X, it could conceivably be having an impact on the Apple Accessibility APIs. (2) The Java Access Bridge is capable of supporting all assistive technologies that are implemented in Java, but most defined roles came from the earlier Microsoft work on MSAA and IAccessible. The a11y accessibility working group has moved beyond that with IAccessible2, ATK/GAIL and AT-SPI efforts. And of course Microsoft is doing its own thing for Windows, replacing the MSAA/IAccessible with UI Automation. Both the Accessibility wiki and the Java wiki documentation can use more work. Stuart -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:42 PM To: Alexander Thurgood; Dushan Mitrovich Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer bug?(bugzilla-link inside) Hi :) There is a guide to help fix Accessibility issues on Windows by fixing the Java Accessibility Bridge. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java Does Mac also depend on Java for these accessibility tools? I've got a feeling that the JAB is just for screen-readers? Also the page doesn't help 100% of the time but i think it's not far off. Suggestions or expanding it to other platforms would be great :) Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 10/10/12, Dushan Mitrovich dush...@spinn.net wrote: From: Dushan Mitrovich dush...@spinn.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer bug? (bugzilla-link inside) To: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 10 October, 2012, 20:00 snip Alex, thank you for this info - it finally tells me where to look. In Mac OS X.6.8, Accessibility Tools is called Universal Access, and yes, I do have that turned on, for two reasons: to be able to magnify an area of the screen on occasion, and to run Zooom 2, which provides focus-follows-mouse. Both of these, and especially the latter, are very useful, so I'll wait for LO version 3.6.3 to see if that solves the crashing problem. Thanks for pointing me out of limbo. - Dushan snip -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date
LibreOffice versions 3.6.0 and later have not correctly implemented the Java Access Bridge (JAB) modules used to expose the Java Accessibility API roles for Windows users. It took me a little while to work out the testing methods, but the Oracle test utilities JavaFerret-32 and JavaMonkey-32 show that LibreOffice is not implementing the Java Accessibility API and therefore does not expose accessibility roles to Assistive Technologies. Neither JAB v.2.0.2 or v 2.0.3, nor current JRE version 1.6u35 or 1.7u7 will make a difference. I tested LibreOffice builds 3.6.0.4, 3.6.1.2, 3.6.2.2, and 3.6.3.1 none of which are functional. In addition today I completed testing of ALL builds of LibreOffice from 3.4.5 to 3.5.7rc2. With exception of the 3.5.0 build they all correctly map Java Accessibility API roles to UNO Accessibility roles. The Java Accessibility API is not as comprehensive as the IAccessible2 role mappings provided by IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0.1, but it is functional for the 3.4 and 3.5 releases of LibreOffice. And, for these versions Windows Assistive Technologies will work. For example, the Windows NVDA screen reader will function with cursor control and component announcements for the entire document tree. Windows versions of LibreOffice 3.6, including the current build 3.6.3 rc1, are NOT USEABLE with Assistive Technologies and they have not been usable with Windows Assistive Technologies at any point. For folks that I've mislead with my insistence that all is well with LibreOffice 3.6 and Java Access Bridge and JRE with use of Assistive Technologies like NVDA screen reader I was wrong--I apologize. I've updated the FDO#53474 (http: bug report https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) and would encourage folks to vote, i.e. comment on, the enhancement to implement IAccessible2 API ( http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement ) for Windows builds by incorporating the IBM contributed Symphony code base as a replacement of the Java Accessibility API as that is probably the fastest means of bringing Windows builds of LibreOffice to the same functional level as Linux builds that use the ATK AT-SPI accessibility APIs. Stuart -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date
LibreOffice versions 3.6.0 and later have not correctly implemented the Java Access Bridge (JAB) modules used to expose the Java Accessibility API roles for Windows users. It took me a little while to work out the testing methods, but the Oracle test utilities JavaFerret-32 and JavaMonkey-32 show that LibreOffice is not implementing the Java Accessibility API and therefore does not expose accessibility roles to Assistive Technologies. Neither JAB v.2.0.2 or v 2.0.3, nor current JRE version 1.6u35 or 1.7u7 will make a difference. I tested LibreOffice builds 3.6.0.4, 3.6.1.2, 3.6.2.2, and 3.6.3.1 none of which are functional. In addition today I completed testing of ALL builds of LibreOffice from 3.4.5 to 3.5.7rc2. With exception of the 3.5.0 build they all correctly map Java Accessibility API roles to UNO Accessibility roles. The Java Accessibility API is not as comprehensive as the IAccessible2 role mappings provided by IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0.1, but it is functional for the 3.4 and 3.5 releases of LibreOffice. And, for these versions Windows Assistive Technologies will work. For example, the Windows NVDA screen reader will function with cursor control and component announcements for the entire document tree. Windows versions of LibreOffice 3.6, including the current build 3.6.3 rc1, are NOT USEABLE with Assistive Technologies and they have not been usable with Windows Assistive Technologies at any point. For folks that I've mislead with my insistence that all is well with LibreOffice 3.6 and Java Access Bridge and JRE with use of Assistive Technologies like NVDA screen reader I was wrong--I apologize. I've updated the FDO#53474 (http: bug report https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) and would encourage folks to vote, i.e. comment on, the enhancement to implement IAccessible2 API ( http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement ) for Windows builds by incorporating the IBM contributed Symphony code base as a replacement of the Java Accessibility API as that is probably the fastest means of bringing Windows builds of LibreOffice to the same functional level as Linux builds that use the ATK AT-SPI accessibility APIs. Stuart Apologize for cross posting to the Users list--this had been an ongoing discussion on the Accessibility list with several open threads but a broader dissemination was appropriate as this is a major oops folks should be aware of. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Reality-Check-Windows-Java-Accessibility-API-non-functional-for-ALL-LibreOffice-3-6-x-releases-to-dae-tp4013336.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date
Had an open bug. Appended to it. FDO#53474 (http: bug report https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Reality-Check-Windows-Java-Accessibility-API-non-functional-for-ALL-LibreOffice-3-6-x-releases-to-dae-tp4013335p4013521.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Is it safe to install Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0
Guy, Only one way to find out for sure ;) However, with Apple turning over maintenance of the Java JRE for OSX to Oracle, you have little choice. You might poke around and see what has been said on the various Apple forums in general about stability of the upgraded JRE, but you should not have substantive issues with LibreOffice. As to needing to refresh your Java-applet plugins, probably a good idea since those tend to be the vectors for security compromises that the updated JRE repairs. Stuart -Original Message- From: Guy Voets [mailto:nimant...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:01 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Is it safe to install Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0 Hello, I wonder whether I can safely install the new Java for Apple (Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0) that is proposed by the App Store. The update improves security, reliability and compatibility , updating to 1.6.0_37 for Java SE 6. What worries me a little is that the update will eliminate the Java-applet plugin (from Apple) from all web browsers it find on my computer. I will then have to install manually the newest version of the Java-applet plugin from Oracle... What will be the incidence of this installation (and possible des-installation) on LibreOffice? I ask because there were earlier issues with Java updates (by Apple or otherwise) for the norùal functioning of LibO. Thanks for your ideas -- Guy using LibO 3.6.1.1 on a iMac Intel DualCore MountainLion 10.8.1 -- please reply only to users@global.libreoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form
Perhaps a Windows environment issue? See this thread (and similar) at StackOverflow on the SE: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2259718/mysql-environment-variable-on-windows Stuart From: John Clegg [mailto:john.cl...@nailsea.net] Sent: Fri 10/19/2012 10:04 AM To: jomali Cc: Alexander Thurgood; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form Really? Mine doesn't On 19 October 2012 15:55, jomali jomali3...@gmail.com wrote: What are you talking about? Of course there is a command line interface to MySQL in Windows. I use it all the time. Just go to Run and type mysql in the Open: box. You'll get a Command prompt with mysql command line ready to go. John On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.netwrote: Hm It isn't quite that simple in Windows (no command line mysql client) but I tried HeidiSQL and I can connect and amend data with no problems -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: What has happened to the proposed Zotero integration?
Two of substance: Anthony's original musing on the Users list http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Zotero-Intergration-with-LO-Proposition-Feature-Request-tt4001116.html#a4001139 and its initial reception on the Discuss list http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libre-Office-amp-Zotero-Integration-Proposition-of-a-New-Partner-tt4001146.html when posed there. Where things were left: / Aug 16, 2012; 1:44pm Anthony Easthope Anthony Easthope Righto, I will make a submission but it will need some guidance in the process for submission. I can tell you it is not going to happen right away as I have to go away but once I am back I'm sure that I can make a start on the pitch. infact thinking about it it should be a community idea so we should all contribute! :) / A white paper would be of help--but will need to see a lot more development addressing specifics of Zotero server hosting in a Zotero/LibreOffice project collaboration. How could it be made to function beyond the very capable plug-in that exists now. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/What-has-happened-to-the-proposed-Zotero-integration-tp4014020p4014427.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Use of MD5 and other HASH values of LibO package downloads and alternate distribution DVD uploads
Tim, We applaud the work you've been doing on the English-NA-DVD, but since you've taken on that responsibility its cradle to grave handling also requires that you validate receipt of the initial ISO image upload to the Document Foundation Mirrors. TDF will take your upload of bundled components and post it exactly as they receive it. Followed by TDF implemented MirrorBrain metadata service that calculates the initial HASH values (MD5, SHA-1, SHA-256 and BitTorrent) and publishes the details for use on the download mirrors. Point is, they won't normally test that they have a good upload from your build system--that responsibility is yours. And to add to your effort, to be technically correct you should probably verify the HASH value of each component installer you download for use in the compilation--found most conveniently at the http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/ where you probably want the stable/ tree (and can check on your box/ DVD distro). Navigate down into the build you are compiling and the OS. On the page listing the language specific installers each file will have a corresponding MirriorBrain provisioned link labeled Details that has full metadata of just that file including the HASH values. Check each package you will bundle against those values so you know you have a clean download. You probably don't want to be responsible for distributing a corrupt install package that was incompletely downloaded as you build the DVD. Then, once compiled into your English-NA-DVD .iso image, you need to calculate a HASH value of the ISO being uploaded. You need this to compare what you send against what the transfer server receives. After upload, or probably once published to the TDF mirror, compare the HASH value(s) the MirrorBrain published metadata. When uploading or downloading I generally will calculate and compare against the first few digits of MD5 and SHA256 HASH values As an example, since you are on a Linux, you have the terminal window command line use of these commands: md5sum LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso sha1sum LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso sha256sum LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso Folks on Windows don't have a Microsoft provided digest tool--command line or GUI. But there are many to be found. Because of the range of digest HASH types I have to deal with I prefer a digest tool integrated with the Windows shell and widely use the freeware Hash CRC tool published in the fileTweak utilizes of Febooti. Available here: http://www.febooti.com/downloads/ Installed as administrator, it then gives ALL users the ability to calculate HASH values from the Properties panel (i.e. right mouse) of any file viewable in Windows explorer shell GUI. If you'd like to compare for real, here are the HASH values for the last ISO build you posted as available at: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.6/LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso.mirrorlist LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso Powered by MirrorBrain Size: 3.8G (4044062720 bytes) Last modified: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:58:15 GMT (Unix time: 1345607895) SHA-256 Hash: 55d62394196ab920d99ec99480d515672d738a152c26c92177500cd3113c8fa7 SHA-1 Hash: 8560042169d28f30053f91aae5523fbac049234b MD5 Hash: 96560a0b6c117a07d32d33baa1e2ef30 BitTorrent Information Hash: 9ea3cc57031a78cb5af214a041637a5ff2f30648 Hope that is clear enough so that it helps you to understand that there is a bit more work you need to take on to assure the quality of your DVD box/ (i.e. as in Boxed set software distribution). Stuart p.s. I've cc'd this to the QA list to see if there are any other recommendations for the process. From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P [mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com] Sent: Sun 10/21/2012 10:34 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] North American DVD 3.5.6 NO ONE has given me the answer before on how to create a md5sum file before. And I asked that question back in the 3.3.x version days. I have printed your answer out to PDF and I will place it on my folder[s] for the NA-DVD work. I use Ubuntu 12.04/MATE [10.04/GNOME before this month] to create the NA-DVD web site and the ISO file. I use Kompozer and Kate for most of the HTML work. I use K3b to create the ISO file I use Filezilla as my FTP client. K3b creates a checksum but I do not know where it is stored for my use. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be
Re: [libreoffice-users] Use of MD5 and other HASHvalues of LibO package downloads and alternate distribution DVD uploads
Tim, Very reasonable that you would not have, or want, direct write access to the pool holding the master copies for distribution out to the mirrors--that is syssamdin magic better handled by the folks running the mirror service. My suggestion is that you verify that the MirrorBrain HASH values for the .ISO file against what you created locally prior to you upload. That way you can be certain that what you prepared will make it intact out to the mirrors. Each user then must be responsible for verifying their own downloads, with some trust that what is being downloaded is your original. Using the HASH values facilitates that at all steps--but you set the foundation for it. You can wait for it to post up to the mirrors and grab the MirrorBrain HASH (as either the Info, or Details link--same content), or you can ask your contact to provide you the HASH value of what they received at the transfer server. Or if you're conservative, just do both. Practice a bit with the md5sum, md256sum and you'll soon make it habit for all your data transfers--even locally between your computers. Stuart From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P [mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com] Sent: Sun 10/21/2012 6:55 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: Cloud-space? Re: [libreoffice-users] Use of MD5 and other HASHvalues of LibO package downloads and alternate distribution DVD uploads My 4.2 - 4.3 GB of an ISO file takes about 9 to 10 hours to upload. Also, I do not have access to the mirror system of servers. I upload it to a different server where it is them moved onto the system that it part of the mirror sync system. [or so I have been told] So I cannot use the TDF system to verify my uploaded file. I do not have that option[s]. I upload to the server I have access to via Filezilla. Personally, I really do not want to have the permissions to access the LO folder system that is part of the system that will be mirrored. I do not want to have a partially uploaded file get mirrored when the local mirror goes and syncs to the master files/folders on the LO server[s]. It is much safer to upload it to an outside server folder outside to the mirrored folders, and then have a server support person move it from the temporary folder to the one it needs to go to. For the 3.5.7 DVD it would be the folder that holds the files for the http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=3.5.7 page, where-ever it is located. For a different ISO file, the link is: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.6/LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso but that does not mean that it is the exact folder of /libreoffice/box/3.5.6/ off the download.sub-domain folder but something that the system associates with it. I know my hosting system has a lot of relative file/folder placements in my domain.us/folders/folders/file.html URLs. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Use of MD5 and other HASHvalues of LibOpackage downloads and alternate distribution DVD uploads
Tim, To close this thread out. A review of the MirrorBrain Info or Details for your latest DVD compilation http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=3.5.7 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=3.5.7 - Info or http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.7/ http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.7/ - details Mirrors for http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.7/LO-3.5.7_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v1_oct-18-2012.iso http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.7/LO-3.5.7_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v1_oct-18-2012.iso Powered by MirrorBrain Size: 3.9G (4239511552 bytes) Last modified: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:25:06 GMT (Unix time: 1350642306) SHA-256 Hash: 151f8e66d0f580c9e3ee63a33f1752b168ed62dbcbfb64656d20ae5e2cd799c7 SHA-1 Hash: 2cb51a758c70404de643c5b728de2c15b0b60366 MD5 Hash: c0cd7d8fcbc267ee904237a4745cfd97 BitTorrent Information Hash: 8c76b729d9c91de37cc010c0c89798465bac3bd6 shows the same MD5 HASH calculation you obtain before upload. You can now be comfortable the TDF mirrors are distributing exactly what you posted. And of course if they were not, you'd need to correct with another upload attempt until it is received correctly. Stuart =-=-= From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P [mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com] Sent: Mon 10/22/2012 7:43 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Use of MD5 and other HASHvalues of LibOpackage downloads and alternate distribution DVD uploads here is the results of the md5sum command for the ISO file I uploaded to the server admin. timothy@timothy-desktop:~$ md5sum LO-3.5.7_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v1_oct-18-2012.iso c0cd7d8fcbc267ee904237a4745cfd97 LO-3.5.7_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v1_oct-18-2012.iso timothy@timothy-desktop:~$ On 10/21/2012 09:18 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Tim, Very reasonable that you would not have, or want, direct write access to the pool holding the master copies for distribution out to the mirrors--that is syssamdin magic better handled by the folks running the mirror service. My suggestion is that you verify that the MirrorBrain HASH values for the .ISO file against what you created locally prior to you upload. That way you can be certain that what you prepared will make it intact out to the mirrors. Each user then must be responsible for verifying their own downloads, with some trust that what is being downloaded is your original. Using the HASH values facilitates that at all steps--but you set the foundation for it. You can wait for it to post up to the mirrors and grab the MirrorBrain HASH (as either the Info, or Details link--same content), or you can ask your contact to provide you the HASH value of what they received at the transfer server. Or if you're conservative, just do both. Practice a bit with the md5sum, md256sum and you'll soon make it habit for all your data transfers--even locally between your computers. Stuart -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?
Tom, Probably, I'm pretty certain this issue has actually been with us since the Java JRE 1.6 - JRE 1.7 crossover. It impacts usability with AT because large segments of the GUI are no longer functional with screen and brail readers under JRE 1.7's Java Accessibility API even though the JAB is appears to be delivering identical roles and obejcts. For now, rolling back to a JRE 1.6 and its more functional JAAPI may be the best suggestion for LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice users in need of AT. The Java dependency may eventually be dropped, depending on where things go with BASE and HSQLDB and implementing a non-Java accessibility bridge based AT for Windows, i.e.an IAccessible2 implementation or possibly an AT-SPI2 port. Question beside the workaround of using a JRE 1.6, is if there is much developer and TDF Board desire to repair AT and possibly BASE for use with JRE 1.7 and a more current HSQLDB build. Stuart From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:45 AM To: Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Cc: V Stuart Foote Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility? Hi :) Should the devs be made aware of problems with the newer release of Java (again)? Each new release of Java creates more problems and each is soon found to have more security issues so another new one needs to be released quickly. It's a 3rd party product that is difficult to track. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2012, 16:13 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility? Simon, There appears to be a change in the JRE 1.7 and JAB 2.0.3 that is reducing the fidelity of the Java Accessibility API rendering of both LibreOffice and OpenOffice. This is affecting both NVDA and Jaws screen readers. I've been unable to find any Oracle documentation on API changes from the 2.02 to 2.03 JAB or JAAPI, but something is definitely changed. Reviewing the JAB delivered document structure with JavaMonkey shows the 2.02 rendering to be identical with the 2.0.3 rendering--but with JRE 1.7 its JAAPI appears to process the result differently and does not fully render the results in either screen reader. Are you able to roll back to JRE 1.6 and a JAB 2.0.2 installation and retest the issues you've had with LibreOffice 3.6.4? And otherwise asses AT usability with the earlier Java runtimes? Downloads needed to roll back are here: JRE 1.6u38 http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u38-downloads-1877409.html JWin.exe installer for JAB 2.0.2 http://empowermentzone.com/JWin_setup.exe Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-where-s-the-accessibility-tp4023600p4026427.html Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Update the website
Thanks, reported to Web maintainers as: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58948 Incorrect text aside, preferred download link probably would be http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ Stuart From: C. H. D. [webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 8:57 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Update the website Hi, I think the following page should be updated: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86lang=en-USversion=4.0.0 Download LibreOffice This is a pre-release version not meant for general use. LibreOffice Windows, version 4.0.0, English (US). Not the version you wanted? Change System, Version or Language This is LibreOffice 3.6.0, prepared with care and presented with pride by the LibreOffice community. But since this is the very first version in the 3.6 series, please make sure you read the release notes (see right). LibreOffice is made available by volunteers around the globe, backed by a charitable Foundation. Regards, C. H. D. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER
Its already been posted as fdo#60177 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60177 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-0-3-has-no-printer-in-Win7-SHOW-STOPPER-tp4033793p4033822.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER
No I was replying to Tom's note. Your fdo#60177 bug is initial and only report of the problem. Sorry for confusion, also you'll have a number of emails coming from the Bugzilla mechanisim those are the ones to focus on while the bug is confirmed and addressed, or disproved. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-0-3-has-no-printer-in-Win7-SHOW-STOPPER-tp4033793p4033827.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER
Bug fdo#60177 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60177 resolved as invalid after successful installation and printer function. Anyone experiencing similar printer configuration issue on LibreOffice for Windows upgrade to 4.0.0.3 RC3, i.e. Print dialogs show no printers, please capture installation log and user profile and reopen this bug to post them. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-0-3-has-no-printer-in-Win7-SHOW-STOPPER-tp4033793p4034001.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
