Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?

Do you have the radios something like 20ft of vertical separation to make this work? if they are too close together wouldn't the tx interfere with the rx of the link next to it shooting the same direction? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/13/2014 11:58 PM, Jo

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?

We have about 5 feet of horizontal separation on a flat roof. Data rates are max, ~3 mile shot. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 12:25 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: Do you have the radios something like 20ft of ve

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?

Yes, 5 on one site, but aimed in different directions. Do you have two af24 pairs in parallel, FDD, each using the full 200 MHz, linking two sites on exactly the same azimuth and elevation? On Oct 13, 2014 11:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds via Af" wrote: > That's incorrect. You have "link 1" on one set

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select

Are you using 5.5.10? The frequency hope supposed to be user defined — Sent from Mailbox On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:53 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: > . > i tried this a long time ago, it just hopped constantly > so i figured after a couple years they must have gotten it to work, so I > turned

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP Termination Providers

+1 > On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Charles Boening via Af wrote: > > SIP Routes has been great for us. I know a couple other providers using SIP > Routes. They seem very happy as well. > > We also use Century Link. > > > > Charlie > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mai

Re: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add

Did you guys make that video, or get it from a third party? It would be pretty easy to replace the audio voice over and sell it for English language markets thousands of Niles away from PR. Most of us are probably within one or two Niles. ~Seth lol

[AFMUG] TEST

What is going on? I am not receiving anything.

Re: [AFMUG] TEST

Put a ball of foil on your rabbit ears. From: Willi Gruber via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] TEST What is going on? I am not receiving anything.

Re: [AFMUG] TEST

Like this? [http://www.basketcasecomix.com/comics/2007-03-26-CXrabbit_ears.gif] From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST Put a ball of foil on your rabbit ears. From: Willi Gruber

[AFMUG] Downtilt tool

We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap... more than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements. I assume 2.4 450 would have similar requirements. So, I want to map out my dow

[AFMUG] 477 deadline

So I had actually forgotten about the 477 after the technical problem on the FCC site. It looks like it's still broken though, so I guess I didn't miss the boat yet. Has anybody heard when it will be back up?

Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system

Are they shipping product, or just datasheets and Powerpoints? Is it like Mimosa, and Cambium PTP450, announced but not seen in the wild? Are objects in mirror closer than they appear? Our industry needs a Steve Jobs, someone who announces the product you didn’t even know yet that you despera

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?

Not exactly. Given one endpoint, the link directly next to it has anazimuth ~30ft down at the same distance. Yes, FD. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 01:30 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Yes, 5 on one site, but a

Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system

The PTP450's are shipping now, we got ours last week. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: > Are they shipping product, or just datasheets and Powerpoints? Is it > like Mimosa, and Cambium PTP450, announced but not seen in the wild? Are > objects in mirror closer than t

Re: [AFMUG] 477 deadline

I believe Steve Coran posted something (probably over at the WISPA list) about November. I think it was based on ~2 weeks more addressing the mystery issue, and then 2 weeks notice for filers. It would be nice if they were a little more transparent about the issue/incident/anomaly. Was the d

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select

5.5.8 Im leery of a week old UBNT load. I put it on one backhaul and had an issue with it getting power from a toughswitch, but havent had a chance to see if it is one off or can be replicated. I dont care if I can define the hops or not, it shouldnt be hopping every single hopping period as far a

Re: [AFMUG] 477 deadline

it happenned right after we filed, Im assuming that our huge customer database overloaded their 486dx server, or they ran out of 5 1/4 floppies to offload On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: > I believe Steve Coran posted something (probably over at the WISPA list) > about

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

Linkplanner does epmp yet? On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: > We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are > going to really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum > overlap… more than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR > r

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select

You've got your hop time and hello count. Hello needs to be roughly 1/100th of your hop count, but anything shorter than 30/3000 will often have issues. Yes, the radio will hop every period, ideally to the channels that aren't on the "naughty" list. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SP

Re: [AFMUG] TEST

is this the permanent state of the list? On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:56 AM, James Howard via Af wrote: > Like this? > > > > > > [image: http://www.basketcasecomix.com/comics/2007-03-26-CXrabbit_ears.gif] > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via > Af > *Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbasedsystem

Cool, I couldn’t even find it on my reseller’s website. What frequency did you get, I assume probably 5 GHz? From: Steve Utick via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbasedsystem The PTP450's are ship

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select

It's not like a SCINGARS hop/10ms or anything. You can try pushing it till around 15/1500, but the biggest problem is that clients who drop association for whatever reason will have problems reconnectingif given only a short window to authenticate and sync. I hop I was fairly clear in what I j

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select

s/SINCGARS ugh, no more emails for me today... throwing in the towel :/ Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 07:44 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: It's not like a SCINGARS hop/10ms or anything. You can try pushing it

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

Trig? Tangent? How far out do you want to focus the main lobe? Take the tower height, divided by that distance (both in the same units) and do the arctan of that. So if the tower was 200 feet, and you want to target a spot 2 miles away, arctan(200/10560)=1 degree From: Paul McCall via Af Se

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

That's the method I've generally used. You can further calculate based on the vertical beamwidth where the outer edge of the -3db coverage circle would land, and where the inner edge would land. Then you can attempt to visualize it. I feel like somebody once linked to an online map tool tha

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

arctan sounds like a villain from he-ma On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: > Trig? Tangent? > How far out do you want to focus the main lobe? > Take the tower height, divided by that distance (both in the same units) > and do the arctan of that. > > So if the tower w

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

Adam, That’s what I was thinking also. That would be handy From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool That's the method I've generally used. You can further calculate base

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

It's Ceregon, so I think the ODU is not Remec. We have not gotten pricing yet. I'm told it will be another week before we get details on pricing. bp On 10/13/2014 10:25 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I like the specs. What's the waveguide interface, Remec? But what abo

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

You'll probably want a clean pair of pants to go with that pricing. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, Bill Prince via Af wrote: > It's Ceregon, so I think the ODU is not Remec. > > We have not gotten pricing yet. I'm told it will be another week before > we get details on pricing. > > bp > > On 10/

Re: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add

De Nile is just a river in Egypt. bp On 10/13/2014 5:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Did you guys make that video, or get it from a third party? It would be pretty easy to replace the audio voice over and sell it for English language markets thousands of Niles away from PR. On Oct 10, 201

Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbasedsystem

Yes, 5 GHz. Haven't put them up yet, hopefully next week. On Oct 14, 2014 7:44 AM, "Ken Hohhof via Af" wrote: > Cool, I couldn’t even find it on my reseller’s website. What frequency > did you get, I assume probably 5 GHz? > > *From:* Steve Utick via Af > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9

Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system

We got ours last week. Putting up one link today. Worried about output Tx power. bp On 10/14/2014 7:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Are they shipping product, or just datasheets and Powerpoints? Is it like Mimosa, and Cambium PTP450, announced but not seen in the wild? Are objects in mirro

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

Ask, and ye shall recieve.. http://www.gyokovsolutions.com/G-NetTilt/G-NetTilt.html -Ty On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: > Adam, > > > > That’s what I was thinking also. That would be handy > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffet

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

Bill, We have pricing as of last night and you are welcome to call me regardless of the condition of your pants. Jason From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

Is there an MSRP that you can share with everyone? Bill, We have pricing as of last night and you are welcome to call me regardless of the condition of your pants. Jason *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:42 AM *

[AFMUG] Dual polarity omni

The tower that got taken out by the straight line wind was built with sectors expecting a decent load. It has around 25 folks on it, most of them 1Mb customers. Not exactly a return on my investment. I'm replacing 802.11g sectors with an 802.11n AP w/omni. Might regret it, but it is what I'm d

Re: [AFMUG] Dual polarity omni

I've got a couple of the ARC 5ghz omnis up... no problems with them, so far. I do have a couple of the 2.4ghz omnis sitting on the shelf too, quality seems quite good. I've used a few different brands of dual polarity omnis, and the only ones I've ever had any issues with were UBNT - that being

Re: [AFMUG] Today's Job site

I'm jealous... you're always at all these neat places while the rest of us are standing around in mud and rotten corn getting rained on. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jaime Solorza via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:51 AM To: A

Re: [AFMUG] Dual polarity omni

Surely UBNT can make one invulnerable to 100,000V! Good to hear. Just about to put the order through. I've had good luck with the few ARC panels I've used. - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:52 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

The 32W power consumption, -48 or +24 (I assume a DC-DC converter built into the PoE injector?), 2048QAM and 80MHz channel bandwidth are all very nice. I don't really care if it's OEM'd Ceragon. Here's what I don't like from the info I've been able to find so far. License key for this, license

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

Teletronics had a cool utility for this Jaime Solorza On Oct 14, 2014 9:22 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" wrote: > Adam, > > > > That’s what I was thinking also. That would be handy > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via > Af > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2

Re: [AFMUG] Today's Job site

Such is my lot in life.. Jaime Solorza On Oct 14, 2014 10:51 AM, "Jaime Solorza via Af" wrote: > Headed up to replace control PC for 2 way repeater. > > Jaime Solorza >

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

Adam, Hit me offline and I will answer all of your questions. ja...@cni.net or 360.442.4414 Thanks, Jason From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com S

[AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the normal fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to place aerial cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial fiber cost for labor,fees, materials etc?

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

Many states regulate this. So you need to see what the rules are. The rules keep the power company from screwing you too much. You still get screwed. Much of this is determined by who owns the pole and if there is enough room on the pole for you. You will also have to pay for the the cost of

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

All over the board depending on your locality unfortunately. Some cities own the poles, some power companies own the poles, and other utilities own the poles. Find the poles you want to go on, get their ID numbers off each pole, and then contact each pole owner to get a contract. In our locality, t

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

cheaper than buried? Is that in upfront costs? arent pole fees recurring though or is that normally just a one time fee? On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Robbie Wright via Af wrote: > All over the board depending on your locality unfortunately. Some cities > own the poles, some power companies

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

Considerably cheaper than buried if the pole owner is reasonable. It can start to get close if they're a pain in the ass. There are up front pole fees and pole rent, the fees are generally one time and the rent is recurring. -Jason On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, That One Guy via Af wrote: > chea

[AFMUG] AirFiber 5

Putting together a quote for a Cambium 23 GHz 6.64 mile link and considering a back up link using a 5 GHz solution, They need over 200MBps so was wondering if you guys that have deployed the AirFiber 5 are getting good speeds at over 6 miles. Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-86

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

At 14 miles with some noise I am seeing 250/220 with two 40mhz channels. -Ty On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: > Putting together a quote for a Cambium 23 GHz 6.64 mile link and > considering a back up link using a 5 GHz solution, > They need over 200MBps so was wonde

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

24 GHz is kind of far for 6.64 miles. Can you do 18 or 11ghz or airfiber5 would work. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote: > At 14 miles with some noise I am seeing 250/220 with two 40mhz channels. > > -Ty > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af > wrot

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

200mbps should be do-able pretty easily, we have one doing 195mbps/65mbps at 4.6 miles using 40mhz and a 10mhz DFS channel (so low power). According to the AirFiber5's handy built-in link calculator, it should be able to do 307Mbps in a 40mhz channel (or two 40mhz channels for full duplex) at 6.

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

23Ghz is licensed and higher power than 24Ghz... I still wouldn't want to do that around here, but it's probably fine in Jaime's part of the world. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Darin Steffl via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:08

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

They have licenses for 23 GHz...very old gear in service with issues. They contacted Cambium and Cambium contacted us to assist with project. I know rain fade is affecting the link thus my recommendation for a back up frequency that is low cost. nothing firmed up yet. Jaime Solorza Wireless Sys

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

yep most years no rainthis year we had El Nino, La Nina, La Tia y mi abuela storms. lots of 23 GHz folks felt the pain. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: > 23Ghz is licensed and higher power than 24Ghz... I

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

ah, I was wondering why 23ghz, that makes sense if they already have the license. If you wanted to do even lower cost for a backup, 200mbps should be do-able over some of the new AC stuff too, like the RocketM5 AC PtP lite. It shouldn't be hard to get that sort of speed through 5ghz as long as t

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

But did you have “la madre de todas las tormentas”? From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:19 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5 yep most years no rainthis year we had El Nino, La Nina, La Tia y mi abuela storms. lots of 23 GHz folks felt the pain.

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

Restoration can be quite expensive for underground. Some cities try and use your construction as there stop gap to fix there st’s. We’ve been asked to re pave and entire st and fix all the side walks for submitting to go 120 ft of underground from a vault to a pole. Things like that can kill

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

No. Uvo mucha lluvia y vientos fuertes pero no fue la tormeta de "desmadre"... That is street talk for mayhem with f___ked undertone. Jaime Solorza On Oct 14, 2014 4:45 PM, "chuck--- via Af" wrote: > But did you have “la madre de todas las tormentas”? > > *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af > *Sen

Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system

PTP450 that is. Got the slave radio hung today. The master end still needs to be finalized on aiming; we only eye-balled the aim when we hung the master radio last week, so I am fairly surprised it came in this good. We're using a pair of MTI 24" panels (28 dBi), and the link is 8.49 miles.

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select

5.5.10 opens the 5.1 band you might not need to hop if you upgrade firmware On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: > s/SINCGARS > > ugh, no more emails for me today... throwing in the towel :/ > > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com >

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select

its amazing how long of a link you can make in 5.1 with a radio that the adjust eirp to regulation doesnt work in On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:21 PM, timothy steele via Af wrote: > 5.5.10 opens the 5.1 band you might not need to hop if you upgrade firmware > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Josh

[AFMUG] Bitcoin can (theorerically) be very profitable

http://www.coindesk.com/mit-bitcoin-trading-simulation-yields-profit-89-50-days/