Re: [interface-discuss] UNO Logging API

le. You can find it at [2]. Feedback to this proposed API is highly welcome. Thanks & Ciao Frank [1]http://api.openoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/util/logging/module-ix.html [2]http://udk.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList -- Joerg Barfurth phone: +49 40

Re: [discuss] Math syntax

t;. But apparently the left langle bra mline right none or left none mline ket right rangle notations can be used to achieve this. - Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [discuss] StarOffice or OpenOffice.org

. There is no magic incantation to semantically fix an entire site ... -Jörg Lars D. Noodén wrote: Thanks. Some of the short descriptions of OOo and SO could use updating to reflect this. On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Joerg Barfurth wrote: Neither. There is only one codebase from which both StarOffice

Re: [discuss] StarOffice or OpenOffice.org

code repository at Sun. In this very limited sense you could say OOo source is the base for SO source. - Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<<<<&

Re: [interface-discuss] multiple inheritance interfaces, and method ambiguity

use that would be a very strong incompatibility. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth phone: +49 40 23646662 / x2 Software Engineermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop Technology http://reserv.ireland/twiki/bin/view/Argus/ Thin Client Software http://www.sun.com/

Re: [discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

Daniel Carrera wrote: Joerg Barfurth wrote: Take a look at Tools-Options-Load/Save-General. There is an option 'optimize XML for size'. This option defaults to 'optimize' and iirc it was introduced in an early effort to make the file load process faster. I'd assum

Re: [discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

retty-printing, compare their sizes and measuring the load times. Depending on details of the parser used, the same change in uncompressed size due to tag lengths could have a slightly larger effect than pure whitespace, because tags go through somewhat more processing (e.g. token lookups).

Re: [discuss] "Either another instance of OpenOffice.org is accessing your personal settings ..."

t instance has crashed, you are safe to 'continue' - in which case the message won't appear again. But I do wonder: if you are not logged in as a named user ("user ''"), then how can networked profile directories work? Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth

Re: [discuss] Editing in OO 2 writer

<http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/pre_submission.html>. If you'd prefer an online IRC chat to explore the problem collaboratively with someone else, please try the #users.openoffice.org channel on irc.freenode.net. HTH, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - D

Re: [discuss] OOo2 final swedish: when/where

version and given their 'go'. I don't know if anybody is actively doing QA for the swedish version, though. HTH, Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [discuss] Re: getstoragename "no content"

rOffice instead of OpenOffice.org, this folder is named C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Jörg\Anwendungsdaten\StarOffice7\ HTH, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaim

Re: [discuss] Re: What's happening with the layers in OOo Impress?

ents, subscribe to allfeatures@openoffice.org). The feature announcements also contain a pointer to the relevant specification. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [discuss] This is why we need a slim OOo

ertheless there is ongoing work to make OOo more modular - not at the application level, but on a feature level. The goal is, that code that is needed only for a particular feature will be loaded and consume resources only when that feature is used. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth S

Re: [discuss] dictionary development for oo.org

list. You could also look at the lingucomponent project site at <http://lingucomponent.openoffice.org>. If you want to get involved there, you should subscribe to that list. That ought to be acceptable, as the list is very low volume. HTH, Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun M

Re: [discuss] Open Office Question

lt;http://kohei.us/ooo/solver/summer.html>. HTH, Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<<<<<<<&l

Re: [discuss] inquiry

user Note that .openoffice.org1.9.113 is a hidden directory, which file managers or 'ls' may not show. HTH, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<<

Re: [discuss] Multiple Versions of Documents

t any other versioned document formats beyond sx* and od*) the format conversion may not be reversible unambiguously, so you can't be sure that you can recreate the original document version exactly. Is that really what you want in your audit trail? Ciao, Jörg -- Joerg B

Re: [discuss] RPM Packages untolerable

nager? There are many people who see this differently. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o

good practice to contribute product-specific work back to the upstream projects. AFAICT they even do this for localizations - at least we have several south african ones. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>

Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o

m OpenOffice.org CVS (including at most some necessary porting PATCHES from OOo Issuezilla), then it isn't an OpenOffice.org feature. Ciao, Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std

Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o

not a user interface for a desktop end user. But nothing else existed within OOo 2.0. Ciao, Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<<<<

Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o

could change it (only, once, forever) at user installation time? That also was one of the selling points. Of what? Ciao, Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std

Re: [discuss] no support for Solaris version of OO.o?

x27;WONTFIX: The problem described is an issue which will never be fixed'. ( http://www.openoffice.org/scdocs/issue_lifecycle.html ) How do you guys think? Yes. I think WONTFIX should be reserved for issues that don't fit the strategy and roadmap of the project or should not be in

Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o

h smarter in its default behavior, where it tries to honor the UI language used by the user for the OS/desktop. And language packs are much more versatile than old-style multi-lingual installers, because they allow adding (and removing) UI languages to/from existing installation properly (

Re: [discuss] re:updating OO and dicts

you can try to simply copy or rename your user data folder as you install newer milestones. HTH, Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<&l

Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

o everyone. Well, fd.o would probably make that $XDG_DATA_DIRS/templates// or so, which means that an entire search path needs to be derived from an environment variable, which is more complicated to inject into the OOo-internal system... Ciao, Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems

Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

ly invoke unopkg for this. Ciao, Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<&

Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

uthor does not provide as native packages for their distro. If administrators want to disallow that users install their own add-ons, that is a separate issue. This is probably possible by changing some OOo configuration. Ciao, Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop

Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

l" documentation/web page explaining all this to new, potential, one-time contributors? And *deprecating* the use of .sxw or .sxc files as installers? The UNO package manager is documented in the UNO developers guide <http://api.openoffice.org/DevelopersGuide/DevelopersGuide.html>

Re: [discuss] Linux installation

one help me with this?? You need to install the application rpms before the desktop integration ones. You can also try to do it all together by doing cd ~/Desktop/RPMS/ rpm -Uvh *rpm desktop-integration/*suse*rpm (On SuSE you may also try yast -i to install). HTH Ciao, Jörg -- Joerg Barfu

Re: [discuss] Re: Linux installation

picked up by the office automatically. If you want to select a particular Java or if the installed one is not found, you can configure the Java to use in Tools-Options. HTH, JÃrg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>

Re: [discuss] Re: Java in OO.o: Proprietary trap or creative commons?

Hi Johan, Johan Vromans wrote: What feature are you thinking of in particular? There has been a list of features requiring Java on one of the lists some time ago. Features included were (a.o.) writer wizards. IIRc some of the 1.1.x wizards were written in Java as well. So I don't see a qualitat

Re: [discuss] Re: Java in OO.o: Proprietary trap or creative commons?

. If you create a CD for distribution, you are free to include a copy of gcj for all platforms you ship. Or you can check with JRE vendors, if JRE licenses allow you to distribute a JRE for use with OOo on your CD. Ciao, Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hambu

Re: [discuss] Re: Java in OO.o: Proprietary trap or creative commons?

ry any more as gcj or similar projects mature. leaving the 'built correctly' version as an exercise to the community? What exactly would characterize a 'correctly built' version? Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>&

Re: [discuss] Re: Java in OO.o: Proprietary trap or creative commons?

But OOo 2.0 will not bundle the gcj runtime, if that is what you mean. It certainly will not include its own private copy of gcj to become 'standalone'. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance

Hi, Daniel Carrera wrote: + For a very small contribution (a macro) the annoyance of printing it and physically mailing it to California may be non-trivial. You are looking at JCA from the wrong side. You should ask: Please, keep in mind that I'm not suggesting that we nuke the JCA. I simply sa

Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

Hi, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le dimanche 24 avril 2005 Ã 23:54 +0200, Mathias Bauer a Ãcrit : Let's just say that linux users and sysadmins strongly disagree with you for their own reasons, that they yelled at every single software system that tried to do this very thing, and that none of the propon

Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

Hi, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le dimanche 24 avril 2005 Ã 22:02 +0200, Mathias Bauer a Ãcrit : M. Fioretti wrote: So you must not click something in ooo that opens an ooo specific program that messes up the system. You must make sure that the _native_ installer can present, in its package selection wi

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

icense. I was replying to your: And you do this with the full knowledge that it will be released under a license that permits propietary derivatives, and that if Sun likes your work, they can include it into StarOffice but leave OOo out of it. Ciao, Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Mi

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

ly needs to be reviewed by CollabNet and/or Sun Legal. If you want to try, the CC is probably the the best place for such an endeavour. BTW: As user I wouldn't download and run anything from a place, where anyone could put anything, for security reasons. Ciao, Jörg -- Joerg

Re: [discuss] Re: Has sun sacked half its developers?

) sample templates (3) and the add-ons themselves. For the web install, see Mathias' answer. If we support that and make it easy for anyone to upload their macros to an 'official' repository the security risk is really high. Ciao, JÃrg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun M

Re: [discuss] Re: Has sun sacked half its developers?

Daniel Carrera wrote: Joerg Barfurth wrote: If people really find something they can't live with they can use use our processes to get obstacles removed (like the Community Council or the Engineering steering comittee). But of course, as in any OSS project, if you can't live wi

Re: [discuss] Re: Has sun sacked half its developers?

fferent icon set and replace it in your copy of OOo. Ciao, Joerg Note that I am speaking for myself, not for Sun officially, nor do I pretend that many (or any) other Sun developers share these views. -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg &

[discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

his problem. And last but not least, you can always, for any OSS project, find cases where the project lead rejected patches, because they did not fit in with project policies or roadmap. Citing examples won't help this discussion much - we can find many cases of accepted patches as w

Re: [discuss] Re: shortcuts quickstarter

Daniel Carrera wrote: See the archives . Hhhmm... I see what you mean. Well, some of those emails would be considered "noise" by most people at discuss. Like this one: ---//--- Email Start --//-- http://specs.openoffice

Re: [discuss] Re: shortcuts quickstarter

Peter Kupfer wrote: Joerg Barfurth wrote: The strange usability scenarios may have played a minor role in the things that happened with that specification. But in the first place this is something where there was a real usability problem. If I get a document from someone else (e.g. by mail) it

Re: [discuss] Re: shortcuts quickstarter

Hi, Enrique wrote: Joerg Barfurth wrote: Completely unmoderated communication between developers and a wider less techinalical audience often don't work well, as can be seen by the way issue commenting is often (ab)used in ways that are perceived as counterproductive by most developers.

Re: [discuss] Re: shortcuts quickstarter

Enrique wrote: The whole point about this issue and similar ones is that many of us do not understand who ever asked to remove that menu from the quickstart (is an example). There was an issue on that? It is my impression that this one started as cleaning up the menu and additionally was part o

Re: [discuss] Re: shortcuts quickstarter

Hi Enrique, Enrique wrote: Dear Mathias, the point is not how much work have been involved in getting this again, but the effort wasted in a silly usability test, Not sure how that came up. What 'silly usability test' are you referring to? time wasted in making up the decision and writing a specs

Re: [discuss] Re: shortcuts quickstarter

Hi Daniel, Daniel Carrera wrote: And of course many votes don't necessarily mean that the issue must be done with any urgency or even done at all. First, we don't have countervotes. What if there are 200 in favor, but 2000 against? 1) People can leave comments saying they disagree. 2) Not a sin

Re: [discuss] your private showstopper

Hi Rich, Rich wrote: here are two that completely convinced me that i should use 1.1 for everything except testing... 1. when using generic widgets, floating toolbars always return to upper left corner. switch applications - they're back. some dialog - they're back. the only workaround i could

Re: [discuss] Re: shortcuts quickstarter

Hi Daniel, Daniel Carrera wrote: Andrew Brown wrote: I think Peter puts it best: "This kind of thing would NEVER happen this fast with a MS product. I know this seems slow, but it really only took 3 - 4 months of serious squacking to get it changed." It's good that it's changed -- and it seems t

Re: [discuss] Re: shortcuts quickstarter

Hi, Lars D. Noodén wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Enrique wrote: ... Even more if the "reason" argued is to "comply with Windows UI rules", is absolutely nonsense ... In general, I'd personally like to have OOo avoid repeating the terrible UI mistakes perpetrated (and perpetuated) by MS. Many, man

Re: [discuss] Suggestion: Compress/repair funktion.

atabase engine so we can offer a similar fixup tools? This is of course assuming that our database engine is smarter and automatically removes superfluous data eventually. If it isn't, then yes it should probably at least offer a similar tool. HTH, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth

Re: [discuss] Suggestion for the presentations tool

more details, like version and what exactly you did. Perhaps provide a link to the jpg file in questions so others can try. I have had no trouble inserting graphics in Impress. It might be helpful if you file and issue. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >

Re: [discuss] opening tab delimitted files with a .xls suffix in the OO spreadsheet pgm

If you chose a filter that can't open the selected file (e.g. text for a binary file), it will revert to the automatic detection. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&g

Re: [discuss] Re: What about SQLite, was: Funding for remaining HSQLDB work

Hi Marco, M. Fioretti wrote: Er... probably is a stupid question, but what would/did prevent "database documents" from being zip archives just like OOWriter/OOCalc etc... containing: one really XML _file_ with all the tags wherever they want to be one normal SQLite _file_/database, just when you us

Re: [discuss] Re: What about SQLite, was: Funding for remaining HSQLDB work

Hi, Jonathon Blake wrote: with 2.0 beta almost out of the door, Is this the reason the 2.0 beta was not released in November, as the _original_, not updated schedule proposed? The updated schedule slipped the date to December, then January, and now early summer. IIRC the reason to slip the beta

Re: [discuss] Re: What about SQLite, was: Funding for remaining HSQLDB work

us one, we will never get anywhere. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Re: [discuss] OO startup time

Hi Alexandro, Alexandro Colorado wrote: I have a comment regarding the OOo performance future. As most stuff are hanging from Java. I think is less likely that OOo will improve it's pefromance. How is 'most stuff hanging from Java'? There are a few parts in OOo that are realized in Java, but the

Re: [discuss] Re: Change OOo 2.x Workstation Installation Target Dirctory?

u need to rebuild the installer. At the current time this means you need to rebuild the entire beast. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<&l

Re: [discuss] Change OOo 2.x Workstation Installation Target Dirctory?

Oliver Braun wrote: Hi Charles, since your are talking about "Application Data", I assume you're running Windows. Locate the bootstrap.ini in the program directory of your OOo 1.9 installation, there is a key named "UserInstallation" with "$SYSUSERCONFIG" expanding to "...\Application Data". Actual

Re: [discuss] Re: Replace

et, HAMLET, ... and then? Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Re: [discuss] Re: Replace

MacbetH? MACbETH? MaCbEtH? I am not so sure it is clearly defined what is the 'same' capitalization in each case. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::discl

Re: [discuss] Horrendous v2 changes...

Hi Peter, Peter Kupfer wrote: Joerg Barfurth wrote: Peter Kupfer wrote: This is what they proposed. However in current pre-releases, the opening top last point is disabled and not shortcut key is added, and from what I can tell it will not be added by release date. How do you know that it won&#

Re: [discuss] Horrendous v2 changes...

re is an issue? Did you submit one? Of course, without logging an issue nothing will get fixed. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<<<

Re: [discuss] Re: OpenOffice 2.0 & Windows Installer

and unusable body of an installation, is the best thing you can do. Of course if the install fails repeatedly then it would be helpful to get a message (or log entry) that explains what failed and how, so you can fix it. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

unteers are welcome. (And I promise to be supportive.) Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<&

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

Rich wrote: Joerg Barfurth wrote: User configuration is stored in a limited set of files. To migrate stuff to another machine you could simply copy up all relevant files to the and this exactly is the problem... configuration options are scattered. user must know which files must be copied

Re: [discuss] Strange markup

above. This is probably why text is hard to control. The same probably goes for chage in fonts etc... Yes. To change the default character style (globally or for a certain paragraph style) use the stylist or style catalog to change the paragraph style (or the 'default' character style).

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

ances. For StarOffice there even is a tool where you can setup preferences in a central directory (using a webbased frontend) and have them apply those to all your instances or even to groups of people or machines. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg &g

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

n the exception for a mass product like OOo. Ciao, Joerg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<<<<<<<<

Re: [discuss] Re: OO.o evolution - thoughts?

Ciao, Jörg -- Joerg Barfurth Sun Microsystems - Desktop - Hamburg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using std::disclaimer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<&l

Re: [discuss] Re: OpenOffice 2.0 & Windows Installer

in the documentation of the MSI SDK. But what next? I should download .msi and two instmsi*.exe, then install instmsi*.exe (which one or in which order), then "run" .msi-ed distributive? Follow the installation instruction. You can also check, if the spec explains in