Once again, I am passing along the the link for one of the obscure but
potentially interesting books sold by Michael Shamansky:
http://www.artbooks.com/wc.dll?AB~emailReview~&itemno=108051&custno=12840
Janet
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Too bad Walmart won't ship their books out of the USA. They advertise great
prices on some books.
Brin Kendall
Melody Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
HI,
There is a small publication from (of all places) Dover Press, the people who
make all those small craft-y books.
I bought one cal
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007, Melody Watts wrote:
>I bought one called " Charted Peasant Designs from Saxon
> Transylvania".
...
>He talkes aboutt he earlier work of the 12 th century Saxon women
> "precision of stitch,alike on both sides of the linen in pattern and
> clearness.'
I've seen this --
HI,
There is a small publication from (of all places) Dover Press, the people who
make all those small craft-y books.
I bought one called " Charted Peasant Designs from Saxon Transylvania".
The front part of the book has a 3 page introduction to the contents of the
items included, as well
That would be another string altogether. "Let's try embroidered cuff."
On 5/6/07, Lynn Roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have a question regarding Blackwork. How do you embroider on a cuff? If you
make a chemise and want to do blackwork on a cuff whats the best wa y to do it?
Lynn
--
Aspa
You have a cuff pattern is, right? So you trace it
onto the fabric, then cut around it, big enough to let
you work it in your embrodery frame or hoop. When
you're finished, cut out only the pattern shape. (This
saves you from cutting up the actual work.)
MaggiRos
--- Lynn Roth <[EMAIL PROTECTE
lots of fun embroidery discussion that I missed because I'm not online
over the weekend snipped for length, sigh :):
> Monochrome embroidery is actually considerably older than the
1400s...
Sue, any insights into embroidery meant to be seen from both sides, as
on
cuffs or collars? That's the real
I have a question regarding Blackwork. How do you embroider on a cuff? If you
make a chemise and want to do blackwork on a cuff whats the best wa y to do it?
Lynn
Bonnie Booker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Blackwork is my thing. I taught it
back at the Known World Art/Sci
Symposium in Orlando
I may have missed something, I just did a cursory look (and my copy is
titled "The ARt of Embroidery," but the most common title is
"Pictorial History of Embroidery" or "Das Stieckerwerk"), but ...
Until the 16th century, the only garments in Schuette are Ecclestical
(Copes, Dalmaticas, Chasubl
On Sun, 6 May 2007, Bonnie Booker wrote:
> Blackwork is my thing. I taught it back at the Known World Art/Sci
> Symposium in Orlando where you taught the Gothic fitted gown a few
> years ago. It is more correctly known as "monochrome embroidery" and
> was mentioned by Chaucer in Canterbury Tales.
Quoting Carmen Beaudry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
*snip*
The book you're looking for is "History of Western Embroidery" by
Shuette. I think I've got that right, if I don't, please someone
correct me. Good luck trying to find it, though. It's been out of
print for ages, the copy I owned fell victim
Here's one piece I know is reversible. Queen Jane's
cuffs. Unfortunately somewhat later than 1400.
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/blackwork/seymour.html
http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/jane-notes.html
MaggiRos
--- Robin Netherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 5 May 2007, otsisto
On May 5, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Robin Netherton wrote:
1. Is my memory correct -- is this indeed a characteristic of
blackwork?
Or any other kind of historic embroidery style?
Hi, Robin!
Some, but NOT all, historical blackwork is reversible (same on both
sides). The idea that ALL blackwork
On Sun, 06 May 2007 01:11:52 +0200, Robin Netherton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is one of those times. I'm talking with another researcher who's
working with a text reference to embroidery. One possible interpretation
of the reference would be that it describes embroidery that appears on
bot
me" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery
>
> On Sat, 5 May 2007, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
>
> > There are lots of examples from this period both in English and
> > Italian art where the collar/cuffs are em
On Sun, 6 May 2007, Sue Clemenger wrote:
> Monochrome embroidery is actually considerably older than the 1400s...
Sue, any insights into embroidery meant to be seen from both sides, as on
cuffs or collars? That's the real issue here -- how early that concept
might apply.
--Robin
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Blackwork is my thing. I taught it back at the Known World Art/Sci
Symposium in Orlando where you taught the Gothic fitted gown a few
years ago. It is more correctly known as "monochrome embroidery" and
was mentioned by Chaucer in Canterbury Tales. Chaucer mentions her
collar with blackwork inside
> So, questions:
>
> 1. Is my memory correct -- is this indeed a characteristic of
> blackwork?
> Or any other kind of historic embroidery style?
Some, but not all, blackwork is reversible, and if it is, it is perfectly
suited to cuffs and hankies and napkins where both sides will be seen.
That
I've sent my contact the images already cited as proof-of-concept for
Tudor period, and the information posted here that there were stitches
that could be reversible. That's a good start, but for publication
purposes she needs a published source on the stitch types for that period
(as seen in re
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 10:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery
>
>
> > > There is a form called Assisi work, uses the same stitches as
> > > blackwork, but
> > > was often worked in
Usually done in a form of long-armed cross stitch, as far as I know.
--Sue in Montana
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From: "Cynthia J Ley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery
> > T
at your friend is more likely to find evidence of
reversability in the cuffs and ruffles (applied or integral), than in the
collars.
--Sue
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From: "Robin Netherton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturda
]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: RE: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery
>
>
>
> Although with some stitches you can't help making the back nearly as neat
as
> the front (classics indeed being blackwork and tent stitch, etc), I
ge -
From: "Susan B. Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery
> To my knowledge -- and blackwork isn't my "thing" -- black
Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: RE: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery
> And here I thought this list would be full of people who who were
> obsessive about embroidery history who would have this stuff at their
> fingertips. I have no
> There is a form called Assisi work, uses the same stitches as
> blackwork, but
> was often worked in red, and I believe there's extant examples of
> that from
> the 12th cen. (1100's). I'll see what I can dig up.
>
> Melusine
It's my understanding that the actual pattern on Assisi (voided
In blackwork, double running is the primary stitch, but it's not the
stitch which creates the doublesidedness. It's the actual pattern--i.e.,
how it is executed.
Arlys
On Sat, 5 May 2007 23:02:40 -0500 (CDT) Robin Netherton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> On Sat, 5 May 2007, Susan B. Farmer wrot
On Sat, 5 May 2007, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
> There are lots of examples from this period both in English and
> Italian art where the collar/cuffs are embroidered with the
> implication that both sides will be seen -- more can be forthcoming if
> you need additional examples. I don't know what th
Quoting Robin Netherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On Sat, 5 May 2007, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
NOw that I can help with. Here's a larger image that I scanned out of
Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked
http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_FairGeraldine-qewuFig239.jpg
or
http://tin
On Sat, 5 May 2007, otsisto wrote:
> Have you read this woman's article?
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/medievalneedle/assisi.htm
No, and I haven't done a Web search, either. Web articles won't be citable
for my friend's purposes (an academic paper). I was really hoping that
someone here who is
On Sat, 5 May 2007, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
> NOw that I can help with. Here's a larger image that I scanned out of
> Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked
> http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_FairGeraldine-qewuFig239.jpg
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/2qtsgn
Aha. I have the book
On Sat, 5 May 2007, otsisto wrote:
> Perhaps this might work for an example though it is mid 1500s
> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/LadyDacre.jpg
Yes! Clearly reversible and meant to be seen as such. Proves the
principle, just not the period yet...
And here I thought this list would be full of
Have you read this woman's article?
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/medievalneedle/assisi.htm
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Perhaps this might work for an example though it is mid 1500s
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/LadyDacre.jpg
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Like this:
http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=11&viewmode=1&item=49.
7.32
About 135 years later than the reference I'm tracking, but shows a ca
Quoting Robin Netherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On Sat, 5 May 2007, Robin Netherton wrote:
That would certainly be the case for, say, a doublet, but for the cuffs or
collars of linen chemises, which are not lined, why would the embroidery
be done in advance, or assumed not to be seen? Chemises i
On Sat, 5 May 2007, Robin Netherton wrote:
> That would certainly be the case for, say, a doublet, but for the cuffs or
> collars of linen chemises, which are not lined, why would the embroidery
> be done in advance, or assumed not to be seen? Chemises in 16th century
> paintings are often shown
On Sat, 5 May 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Its appearance at cuffs and collars doesn't have any real relevance to
> the state of the back, as embroidery was done prior to the making up
> of the garment (usually), so that the back of the work would be
> unlikely to be seen.
That would certainl
Although with some stitches you can't help making the back nearly as neat as
the front (classics indeed being blackwork and tent stitch, etc), I'm not
aware of any medieval embroidery being made this way on purpose.
And whether styles like blackwork or asissi work, or several others, ver
At 07:10 PM 5/5/2007, you wrote:
If it helps, the description we're working with says the decoration is in
black silk around the collar of a chemise. Presumably the chemise would be
linen but it's not specified. All my friend wants to show that is that the
nature of the description points to the
At 06:52 PM 5/5/2007, you wrote:
To my knowledge -- and blackwork isn't my "thing" -- blackwork is
later than 1400. There are more knowledgeable folks on this list than
I in that respect.
susan
There is a form called Assisi work, uses the same stitches as
blackwork, but was often worked in r
On Sat, 5 May 2007, otsisto wrote:
> Though not an expert, (note:I'm having a brain fog) I believe that
> there are at least 4 embroidery stitches where the embroidery appears
> on the front and back. blackwork/Spanish work is one. Montenegrin
> crosstitch. Assisi(?) and a fourth that escapes me.
Assisi work is also called voided work and is not necessarily done in red
thread. Blackwork is not necessarily done with black thread. (are we
confused yet?) :)
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To my knowledge -- and blackwork isn't my "thing" -- blackwork is
later than 1400. There are more knowledgeab
Though not an expert, (note:I'm having a brain fog) I believe that there are
at least 4 embroidery stitches where the embroidery appears on the front and
back. blackwork/Spanish work is one. Montenegrin crosstitch. Assisi(?) and a
fourth that escapes me. (just finished mowing the lawn in humid weat
To my knowledge -- and blackwork isn't my "thing" -- blackwork is
later than 1400. There are more knowledgeable folks on this list than
I in that respect.
susan
There is a form called Assisi work, uses the same stitches as blackwork, but
was often worked in red, and I believe there's extant e
Quoting Robin Netherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
This is one of those times. I'm talking with another researcher who's
working with a text reference to embroidery. One possible interpretation
of the reference would be that it describes embroidery that appears on
both the inside and outside of the fa
I can't help you but I will be interested in what you find. My friend who
is quite good at embroidery always makes fun of mine because it looks
horrible on the back (okay, it doesn't always look great on the front side
either.) She claims it should look almost as good on the back as one the
front
I am not an embroiderer, and my knowledge of medeival embroidery is
skeletal -- enough to recognize situations in which it occurs, and to know
when to go to others with a question.
This is one of those times. I'm talking with another researcher who's
working with a text reference to embroidery. O
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