On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 12:43, Mad Scientist wrote:
> >
> > 48i not a 486 :)
>
> That's right. A 486 is a general purpose computer. And a 48i is a 48 port
> 10/100 switch. Neither one is a router in its default configuration. Both
> can be made into routers. That's the point I was making.
>
a 48i wo
Jeremy Brooking said:
> On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 16:58, Mad Scientist wrote:
>> > Not always the case though, for example you can route traffic on a
>> 48i. Guess it all comes down to what layer the switch is.
>>
>> Doesn't that really make it a router/switch? It depends on
>> configuration. Like a 4
> And what if the 'device' includes stuff like port filter rules,
> regular routing and things that are used in the so called
> 'broadband routers' and common firewalls? aaah, now it's getting
> tricky!
Actually, combining independent functions is pretty common in network
equipment. However, I'd
I think I would choose... hmm... sock, I mean that is also used to keep
stuff(read smelly feet) where it's suposed to be.
And what if the 'device' includes stuff like port filter rules, regular
routing and things that are used in the so called 'broadband routers'
and common firewalls? aaah, now it'
Your talking about 192.169.ect.ect 10.x.x.x ? A Cisco will route and
advertise those blocks just like any other addresses unless you filter
them out. There is no hard coded rule in a cisco that stops joe idiot
from annoucing 192.169.x.x to the world besides the clueful admin and
his bogon filter.
> But if I were to choose between hub, switch,
> router, brouter, bridge or gateway, I would say router because
> that is closest to the function...
And if you were to choose between boat, gorilla, alien, and sock, which
would you pick? It doesn't matter since none of the choices mentioned
by eit
oh, yeah, must keep this thread going!
Well, they are classed 'non routable', but they are fully routable...
A NAT device is somehow in the grey zone because it's connected to at
least 2 networks. And somewhere in the device it route packets. But as
you said, the packets also get translated which
> > A router (by my reckoning, anyway) would be any device that routes
> > packets between networks. A NAT device does this; a switch does not.
>
> I think thats correct, be it $100 or $38,000 not including
> operating system (thanks Cisco) if it moves packets from IP
> network to another, its a ro
> In other words, shut the f*** up. Thx la~
>
> Oh, and please respond promptly with some childish retort. I
> can't wait to hear it.
Oh my f***ing god, your s*** is so godd***ed mature right?. I assume
you had your daily dose of c*** and a** and *** *** * ** **
*** * ***?
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Hahaha
You know what made that more entertaining? "Newslfash!" It's like
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> Hmm, really? All the firewalls I've installed lately are
> routers also...
Guys, since this seems to be a recent affliction on this site:
Please remember that your own experience doesn't not necessarily
translate to global truth.
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> it makes you look cool. Newsflash, it doesn't
Newslfash, using "newsflash" in a sentence that way is very...dorky :P
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->Hmm, really? All
Hmm, really? All the firewalls I've installed lately are routers also...
If the firewall not is a router at the same time it must work
transparently, that is 2NIC's that is bridged togheter and with the
firewall that sits between and filtering all the stuff.
This is somehow not that good as if you
Mad Scientist wrote:
Stefan Huszics said:
Mad Scientist wrote:
I do believe you meant "maximum speed"...
Actually no. A "maximum speed" garantee wouldn't be much of a garantee
now would it ;)
Um, why not? It's the fastest they guarantee the chip will run at, hence,
maximum speed. They do n
Mad Scientist wrote:
And most firewall are
routers too (let's get the firewall definition guy started again :P)
Just for the record: no, they are not. Some are, but not most of them.
:)
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Matt wrote:
I'm hoping for this schedule.
2:00pm EST - IDE vs SCSI flamewar
4:00pm EST - Cheating flamewar
5:00pm EST - Opera
6:00pm EST - flamewar flamewar
10:00pm EST - someone unsubscribes and sends scathing goodbye note
10:01pm EST - huge flamewar
12:00pm EST - someone posts legit question in
Ronin wrote:
What I find most funny is that everyone else is wrong and he is right.
Typical child mentality. And your information is STILL wrong, Stefan.
*chuckles*
Actually the child mentallity is to repetedly say someone else is wrong
and don't know what they are talking about without ever the
Deacon said:
>> Oh of course not, im sure you know far more than I. Hence why
>> you regard ZoneAlarm as a firewall.
>
> Of course, I still see people referring to home NAT devices as
> "routers", too, so...
A NAT device is a router... it has different subnets on each interface,
doesn't it?
And Z
A home NAT box is a router. It is routing packets between your local network
and your DSL connection (and performing NAT on the packets). A router routes
packets :)
Eric (Deacon) wrote:
>> Oh of course not, im sure you know far more than I. Hence why
>> you regard ZoneAlarm as a firewall.
>
> Of c
> Oh of course not, im sure you know far more than I. Hence why
> you regard ZoneAlarm as a firewall.
Of course, I still see people referring to home NAT devices as
"routers", too, so...
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> I did a 2GB copy from Linux to a Windows machine
> using Samba. I got 5.85MB/sec.
Hint: use FTP instead. I can max out my 100Mb switched network
connection between my workstation and server using FTP, literally
pushing 95Mb to 97Mb, sustained.
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If you would only go look up the definition you would see but you won't.
You will simply hold to your incorrect thoughts. Go read a book. Nuff
said.
> On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 18:04, Me wrote:
>> Just because you've done something for a long time doesn't mean you've
>> been doing it right. Not tha
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> That doesn't seem like 1 single array :P
> And you know that we'll have to kill you when you write stuff like C:
>
> /Oscar
>
> Ronin wrote:
>
> > >271.98
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bah, stop telling yourself lies. I mean, if you don't want to go with
scsi raid, then who can resist an 3ware es
Jeremy Brooking said:
> 2am Flamewar over who started the flamewar
Not sure if I can make that one. Is it OK if I post the next morning?
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>>No, but AMD ownz, Intel sux. Oh, and RedHat ownz, slack sux.
>>So does all *BSD.
Hondaman, you're a fucktard. Though I use and support the items
you listed, you're a fucktard. Extremists are fucktards.
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No, but AMD ownz, Intel sux. Oh, and RedHat ownz, slack sux. So does
all *BSD.
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 23:16
Well...
Not to egg things on but I would be interested in everyones take on this.
Personally I've got 10k U160 drives in two of my PCs at home. One PC is
IDE as are the servers. I know I know, kinda stupid. But my servers
don't do much but store mp3s. :P
Now, I'm getting ready to set up a ser
Matt wrote:
So, anyone up for some good SCSI vs IDE action?
Yes :)
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Matt said:
> 2:00pm EST - IDE vs SCSI flamewar
> 4:00pm EST - Cheating flamewar
> 5:00pm EST - Opera
> 6:00pm EST - flamewar flamewar
> 10:00pm EST - someone unsubscribes and sends scathing goodbye note
> 10:01pm EST - huge flamewar
> 12:00pm EST - someone posts legit question inciting a flamewar
Deacon said:
>> So, anyone up for some good SCSI vs IDE action?
>
> What's to discuss? SCSI is obviously a great thing if you've got the
> extra cash burning a hole in your pocket, but it's simply a question of
> whether you can fit it into your budget.
>
> Personally, I'm happy with my 8MB cache
> What's to discuss? SCSI is obviously a great thing if you've got the
> extra cash burning a hole in your pocket, but it's simply a question of
> whether you can fit it into your budget.
There isn't really anything to discuss. I only posted it as a joke since
one day there was a huge flame war
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 23:16, Ronin wrote:
> > > What I find most funny is that everyone else is wrong and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 23:16, Ronin wrote:
> > What I find most funny is that everyone else is wrong and he is
> > right. Typical child mentality. And your information is STILL
> > wrong, Stefan.
> > *chuckles*
>
> So, anyone up for some good SCSI vs IDE action?
What's
Drew Broadley said:
> RELEASE == STABLE
> CURRENT == DEV
Negative.
For 4.x, RELEASE == STABLE; CURRENT == DEV.
For 5.0, RELEASE == CURRENT == DEV. STABLE != EXISTS.
It's in the release notes...
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On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 15:10, Mad Scientist wrote:
> Jeremy Brooking said:
> > When implimenting security measures they should never impact the service
> > itself, if it does, chances are the service was being used/setup wrong
> > in the first place.
>
> For the most part, this is true. However, sec
Ronin wrote:
I'm still waiting for you to prove that you have knowledge above and beyond
anything short of basic. I'm not seeing it.
Well, sometimes you can't see the wood for all the trees ;)
At least I backed up what I had to say. Can you?
You backed up what? I didn't see any references anyw
Jeremy Brooking said:
> When implimenting security measures they should never impact the service
> itself, if it does, chances are the service was being used/setup wrong
> in the first place.
For the most part, this is true. However, security measures such as
multi-factor authentication add diffic
>> FreeBSD 5.0 is offically a RELEASE.
>
>Does that differ, then, from STABLE?
RELEASE == STABLE
CURRENT == DEV
Afaik, that has been the practise I have been following (and have been
taught) and had no problems of hitting development kernels or any
addition/debugging output.
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Tyler \Overkill\ Schwend said:
>> wtf are you talking about?
>
> Mad, the conversation got really hostile all the sudden over
> something pretty stupid. Just a reminder of what we're all
> dealing with.
Oh, OK. Must have been those parts of the posts I ignored... Thanks for
the quote so I have a c
]>
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> > wtf are you talking about? Short quotes are good. No
> > quotes are as bad as
> > full quotes.
>
> Mad, the conversation got really hostile all the sudden over
> some
Stefan Huszics said:
> Did you miss the part of my post that sais "within the specifed voltages
> and MHz speeds for which the CPU was designed"?
The CPU is designed to run at the speed stamped on the box. It will run
fine at that speed. What's that got to do with overclocking?
> If you have 2 C
> wtf are you talking about? Short quotes are good. No
> quotes are as bad as
> full quotes.
Mad, the conversation got really hostile all the sudden over
something pretty stupid. Just a reminder of what we're all
dealing with.
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Tyler \Overkill\ Schwend said:
> I like cheese. And I have friends.
>
> Ease up guys. It's just a game. Er, a thread, or a processor, or
> whatever.
wtf are you talking about? Short quotes are good. No quotes are as bad as
full quotes.
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> Mad Scientist wrote:
>
> >Stefan Huszics said:
> >
> >
> >>Gees, now you a
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 14:59, Me wrote:
> > Security should never impact usability of something. If it does, then
> > something is not doing what it was designed to do.
>
> That's just plain wrong.
>
> I guess I just need to give you an example our you just can't see it.
>
> Let's say you are sittin
Mad Scientist wrote:
Stefan Huszics said:
Gees, now you are just making a fool out of yourself.
There is absolutely NOTHING that can "blow" from overclocking as long as
you keep within the specifed voltages and MHz speeds for which the CPU
was designed.
Temperature... electron migration... slow
Guess if he's got the money to blow if something happens, more power to him.
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> OTOH, he could just b
I had an 800 mHz Celeron running at 1200 on my server for like a
month and half until we upgraded. It actually helped. And things
somehow didn't get more unstable.
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> lol, ive never overclocke
begin with.
>
> The guy is taking the extremes of OCing (by using HardOCP as an example)
> as his standard of what a CPU will or will not do. That's just a bad
> idea, period.
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> From: "James Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <
I ask..wtf are you
> thinking? Your thought process is flawed, and your money management is
> questionable.
>
> *loves when he decides to return to the list and gets challenged*
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> From: "Stefan Huszics" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <
FreeBSD 4.6.2 / 4.7 are only classed as RELEASE aswel, there is CURRENT
which is the development of 5.0 which soon will become 5.1-RELEASE
> >> a word of warning, 5.0 still has a shitload of debugging stuff enabled
> >> by default, which slows down its performance enough that you might as
> >> wel
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 13:53, Me wrote:
> It's always a trade-off. Increased security always means decreased
> usability.
No, theres no increased security, just increased stupidity.
Breaking PMTU does not increase security, only decreases usability.
No trade off there.
It's always a trade-off. Increased security always means decreased
usability.
> On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 09:49, Me wrote:
>> Oh I agree 100%. Security is very important. It's really hard to get
>> my clients to realize how important. To them, it's just a server
>> reinstall. They refuse to grasp
It's always a trade-off. Increased security always means decreased
usability.
> On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 09:49, Me wrote:
>> Oh I agree 100%. Security is very important. It's really hard to get
>> my clients to realize how important. To them, it's just a server
>> reinstall. They refuse to grasp
>> a word of warning, 5.0 still has a shitload of debugging stuff enabled
>> by default, which slows down its performance enough that you might as
>> well stick w/ the 4.8 release.
Drew Broadley said:
> FreeBSD 5.0 is offically a RELEASE.
It may be a RELEASE but it's not a STABLE. There is still
amped.
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> What I was talking about, could be applied either or...
> http://www.freebsd.org
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->
->
->Apparently that's exactly what he has, as he seems to think he's going to
->get better performance by buying a lower end processor and OCing
->it, and if
->it fries, so what...he goes to buy ano
arch 12, 2003 5:50 PM
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->
->
->Is this not a thread about starting a new machine, not upgrading ?
->I am refering to a new build, not having to upgrade/cvsup at all.
->
->My bad if this is an upgra
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> On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 02:27:45PM -0800, Ronin wrote:
> > I wouldn't count on going to 2500+ speeds. That's a pretty damn healthy
> > jump (600Mhz or so). Bu
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 02:27:45PM -0800, Ronin wrote:
> I wouldn't count on going to 2500+ speeds. That's a pretty damn healthy
> jump (600Mhz or so). Buying a processor for the express intent to OC is
> fine and dandy, but that's not what you want to do on a system that you plan
> on making you
challenged*
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> Ronin wrote:
>
> >I wouldn't count on going to 2500+ speeds. That's
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> Not that I disagree w/ you, but from what I've seen on hardocp posts,
there
> are some cpus that will do the o
Ronin wrote:
I wouldn't count on going to 2500+ speeds. That's a pretty damn healthy
jump (600Mhz or so).
Not when you consider that the exact same CPU core & stepping is also
sold as the XP 2800+
If you are going to overclock you should always get the smallest version
of a specific CPU line (sin
nt: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:36 AM
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> I realise that fully. Have you not read the "switching to 5.0"
> articles/warnings on freebsd.org?
>
> ->-Original Message-
> ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ->[ma
Matt wrote:
The 1700+ will work good but now you loose your 333Mhz FSB feature!!
Why would I ever consider sticking to 266 busspeed when I overclock
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I'm running Outlook 2000 Threaded view, and it certainly
seems to do threading by subject
Maybe it's just trying to piss me off.
/me damns everything.
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 14:28, Jeremy Brooking wrote:
> This is how threading is done (as well as the In-Reply-To header in some
> cases) If your client does thread on this, then it is breaking a
> commonly practised standard.
That should be 'does not thread on this' sorry.
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On Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:18 PM [GMT+1200=NZT],
Tyler "Overkill" Schwend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I am. Excuse me for using Microsoft software, I'm such an
> idiot.
>
> I just don't see the point in changing the subject line in a
> thread that's already begun.
>
Lemme see... maybe s
>From my personal experience and that of other techs I work with, Tyan
motherboards have a high rate of defects. Although they have a nice set
of features, your chances of getting hosed are much higher if you go with
them.
> Get a twin set of p4 2.8ghz xeons with 8gb of ram and a SATA RAID, solve
nt handle that, then its thats your problem.
Check your mail source and you will see...
your message and id:
From: "Tyler \"Overkill\" Schwend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Yes, I am. Excuse me for using Microsoft software, I'm such an
idiot.
I just don't see the point in changing the subject line in a
thread that's already begun.
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