En relación a Re: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - R,
el 18 Jan 01, a las 4:44, Macdonald Stainsby dijo:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tony Abdo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> (startled by Yoshie):
>
> > Social Democratic 'Movement' vs SD 'results'???
>
> Umm, yeah. I would think t
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From: Tony Abdo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(startled by Yoshie):
> Social Democratic 'Movement' vs SD 'results'???
Umm, yeah. I would think this point is one of the least controversial that has been
made on the list. Put it this way: Austria has almost all services in pub
> This may be chauvinism. But probably the less "C" of all the CPs in the world
> was the Argentine one (and the Uruguayan?). I missed it on Mark's short list,
> when in fact it should have been heading it.
sorry, Nestor. My mistake.
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En relación a RE: [L-I] Re: Russia: CPRF Leader Interviewed - R,
el 17 Jan 01, a las 20:50, Mark Jones dijo:
> you don't think that the CPRF = Marxism-Leninism, do you?
>
> No, no and again no, as Vladimir Ilyich might say. But so what? Is it the use of
> the name 'communist' which winds people
>
> The man's craftier than Zyuganov, I gather. He has his supporters
> use the anti-Semitic rhetoric, avoiding it himself.
This was not an anti-semitic joke but a joke by a famous *Jewish* comedian. If the
context had been transferred to Brooklyn and the person who made the joke was Woodie
All
The joke was disgusting, by the way.
AD
At 10:23 PM 1/17/2001 -, you wrote:
>Yoshie wrote:
>> Putin, by co-opting anti-Semitic & anti-liberal rhetoric widespread
>> in Russia, can coopt the themes of "socialism = the modern form of
>> Russian patriotism" as well. The CPRF has only itself to
It's not a matter of "political analysis".
It has nothing to do with "rank-and-file members".
It's a question if Myers lies or tells the truth
that Makashov's position in the KPRF is higher than a CC member.
He lies.
Very simple.
Best,
AD
At 03:27 PM 1/17/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Makahov is
Yoshie wrote:
> Putin, by co-opting anti-Semitic & anti-liberal rhetoric widespread
> in Russia, can coopt the themes of "socialism = the modern form of
> Russian patriotism" as well. The CPRF has only itself to blame,
> since it's happy with the role of the loyal opposition.
On the contrary, Pu
you don't think that the CPRF = Marxism-Leninism, do you?
No, no and again no, as Vladimir Ilyich might say. But so what? Is it the use of the
name 'communist' which winds people up into such hysterical frenzies? But we have
had non-communist communist parties for years and decades and people ha
Yoshie wrote:
>
> The CPRF's program, such as it is, can never be achieved by the
> CPRF's means.
This means that it's a normal party no? Operating according to the normal rules of
hypocrisy, double-dealing, sanctimoniousness etc of bourgeois parties everywhere.
Until just a few years ago, the Br
Yoshie:
>The CPRF's program, such as it is, can never be achieved by the
>CPRF's means. I'm afraid that the anti-Semitic rhetoric employed by
>some officials of the CPRF is not just a reflection of "a society in
>deep crisis" but also rooted in the CPRF's social democratic
>orientation, easil
> >I do not know whether General Makashov was a CPRF CC member, but he was
>>elected on the CPRF slate to the Duma. Unfortunately it will be rather easy
>>to find more antisemitic quotes from leading CPRF members.
>>
>>Johannes
>
>Just as you will find antisemitic quotes from leaders of the Germa
Considering the sectarian nature of the matter, I tend to agree. Steve, your address
is [EMAIL PROTECTED], so people who are burning to get your analysis will get it there.
Too many people are choked at your analysis. Personally, I am not pleased with
calling the Zyuganov bunch "linked with the w
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > Mr Jones, you say Johannes should get his facts correct. I my opinion you
> >are an opologist for red-brownism, or you are a very silly person. The lies,
> >you call "a fact" above is promoted by the KPRF you defend.
>
> >Now - Mr Jones - prove the fact. Indeed it
Stever Myers wrote:
>This I will detail in an article I am doing research for
>currently - and put on this list.
I hope the moderators will permit no such thing.
Mark
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Steve Myers wrote:
>L-I Comrades,
>
>The post below from Owen Jones 2 days ago is as excellent concise
>characterisation of the "official" Russian "communist" party, Zyuganov's
>KPRF, as exists anywhere. In particular Owen, your description of the KPRF
as
>more of a reactionary danger to the Ru
>Makahov is very famous for these quotes all the time as not just a CC member
>of the KPRF, but higher than this -
Higher than a Member of the Central Committee?
What do you mean?
There are millions of Communists in Russia. So what?
If David Duke is a Republican, does that mean that all those
In a message dated 16/01/01 16:07:46 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The fact that 7 of the 8 'oligarchs' most associated with the plundering of
> Russia are Jewish
Mr Jones, you say Johannes should get his facts correct. I my opinion you
are an opologist for red-brownism, or
In a message dated 16/01/01 15:32:47 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Alexander Domrin wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:18:31 +,
> > Owen Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >One of the members of their [KPRF] Central Committee advocated the
> > extermination of
1.
>I do not know whether General Makashov was a CPRF CC member, but he was
>elected on the CPRF slate to the Duma.
Makashov was NEVER on the KPRF Party List.
In 1999 he was on the party list of "Movement in Support of Army"
(Ilyukhin, Makashov, Savelyev) which got 0.58 percent of votes and
fai
Johannes wrote:
> Unfortunately it will be rather easy
> to find more antisemitic quotes from leading CPRF members.
>
Unfortunately there is seemingly no end to attempts like this to create hysterias
about alleged pogroms, mass anti-semitism etc in Russia. Makashov was, of course,
roundly condem
>I do not know whether General Makashov was a CPRF CC member, but he was
>elected on the CPRF slate to the Duma. Unfortunately it will be rather easy
>to find more antisemitic quotes from leading CPRF members.
>
>Johannes
Just as you will find antisemitic quotes from leaders of the German
Communi
Alexander Domrin wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:18:31 +,
> Owen Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >One of the members of their [KPRF] Central Committee advocated the
> extermination of
> >the Russian Jewish population.
>
> Who? Where? When?
>
From:
http://www.adl.org/russia/russian_polit
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:18:31 +,
Owen Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>One of the members of their [KPRF] Central Committee advocated the
extermination of
>the Russian Jewish population.
Who? Where? When?
Alexander Domrin
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Owen Jones wrote:
> The CPRF are, unfortunately, anything else other than funny and should be
> regarded as even more reactionary and dangerous than the regime of Vladimir
> Putin.
>
regardless of the truth or not of what follows, there is no arguing that this is all
simply unsupoported, unsubs
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From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Why doesn't Owen ever supply citations?
Because he doesn't know how yet, in all seriousness. Remember, the lad is 16. He can
go the citation page at www.sfu.ca and check into it. That would help.
> If so, his posts would not
> The CPRF are, unfortunately, anything else other than funny and should be
>regarded as even more reactionary and dangerous than the regime of Vladimir
>Putin.
>
> This may appear to be a pretty wild assertion perhaps, but the future of
>the Russian workers' movement hinges on the destruction of
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