On 23/01/2007, at 4:40 AM, Barney Carroll wrote:
Jon Gunderson wrote:
Got good readings for my latest site, bumped into two failings:
1. No headings preceding navigation s (debatable intrinsic worth).
2. No navigation s.
I think point 1 is a clue to what qualifies: "navigation area" ==
lis
Katrina wrote:
I notice a very interesting phenomenon: CSS is widely used, but
validation is not considered important, for either CSS or HTML, and I
don't think accessibility has been given a high priority either amongst
these pages.
Does anyone know why? Why have many of them made similar ch
Hey, I've just looked at a dozen of these... And I know this is a web
standards list, but does it strike anyone that, more so than being full
of invalid code, these sites are just ugly, cumbersome and uninspired?
Forgetting coding standards and going on user experience, I wouldn't
rank any of t
Many thanks Bill.
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I work for a state agency which deals with a great deal of money (Oregon
Department of Revenue) who are very careful about software we install
for security reasons which is the main problem with installing IE7 since
there are absolutely no plans to update anytime soon to this new
version. I consi
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Hi all,
I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve the quality of this
article:
http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/how_to_style_thumbnail_and_caption.asp
Demo:
http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/thumbnail_and_caption/gallery_of_thumbnails.asp
Thanks.
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Hey Thierry,
Looks good!
One question that people may ask you is "how would this system work with
different sized images or different length captions".
The entire layout could fall to pieces if one caption in the middle of the
page is much longer. The following floats may be caught by this long
Does any one can recommend me a good CMS software?
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Hi Russ,
> Looks good!
Thanks
> One question that people may ask you is "how would this system work
> with different sized images or different length captions".
> The entire layout could fall to pieces if one caption in the middle
> of the page is much longer. The following floats may be caught
On 1/23/07, Terrence Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 23/01/2007, at 4:40 AM, Barney Carroll wrote:
> Jon Gunderson wrote:
> Got good readings for my latest site, bumped into two failings:
>
> 1. No headings preceding navigation s (debatable intrinsic worth).
> 2. No navigation s.
I think po
I was actually a judge for the AIMIA awards and it was interesting going
through the judging criteria. Accessibility and Usability were judged
together, I think for a total of 15 or 20 points.
The first thing I looked at was the code on all the sites - out of the 5
sites I was judging, 4 of them
What about W3C validation especially for business.gov.au 60 HTML
errors, meta tags, alt tags?
I haven't worked on the business.vic.gov.au site since early 2006, but at
the time it had almost perfect validation. There were some errors still
remaining in various pockets of content transferred to
On 1/24/07, Cheryl Lead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I did write a lot of comments about it though so hopefully these comments
will make it back to the site owners. It's just such a shame that in 2006
(when the judging was done) the majority of companies are still so unaware
of accessibility standa
AIMIA is traditionally very multimedia-based rather than web-based,
which influences the types of entries, I think. In previous years it's
always been the Flash-driven and very flashy sites that have won over
the usable and accessible.
So true - I wanted the usable accessible sites to win in m
So indicative of the fine line between good design and good
business, which often do not seem to take notice of each other until
someone truly inspired gets a chance to make an impression on the
delivery method. True online accessibility must also be visually
appealing, while accountin
>> [...] Nothing bugs me more than a super-cool looking site that shows off the
>> ability of the artist who built it, yet does nothing for the idea, product
>> or service it promotes.
>> Art for art's sake is fantastic. Businesses need more.
>> Noah
But any design without art, feeling and
Quoth Noah at 01/24/07 11:10...
Nothing bugs me more than a super-cool looking site
that shows off the ability of the artist who built it, yet does nothing
for the idea, product or service it promotes.
Or, of course, breaks the law. Accessibility is a legal requirement in
Australia[1], altho
Quoth Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer at 01/24/07 11:32...
But any design without art, feeling and emotions is trivial and boring
We can be artistic and accessible, and need to prove it time and time
again to dispel the myth that "accessible is ugly". Artists and techies
can work
We can be artistic and accessible, and need to prove it time and time
again to dispel the myth that "accessible is ugly". Artists and techies
can work together - I've done it before AND we were still talking to each
other at the end ;-)
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Of course Matthew - You've got right
It's really the only way to go if you want to deliver true value to
your clients and provide forward-thinking results on the cutting edge.
Anybody can make pretty pictures; true value is in making those
designs do more than just look good.
Noah
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> Quoth Noah at 01/24/07 11:10...
> > Nothing bugs me more t
>> It's really the only way to go if you want to deliver true value to your
>> clients and provide forward-thinking results on the cutting edge. Anybody
>> can make
>> pretty pictures; true value is in making those designs do more than just
>> look good.
>> Noah
Yep I know Noah, and after a
No Andreas
http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWeb.html
Australian gov websites are not tested for accessibility before they
are launched.
They are not even changed years later when someone points out the
errors.
They stay are they were launched full of the same errors everyday
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> No Andreas
>
> http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWe
Asfar as I know accessibility compliance is a requirement for every new govt
website project that is out for tender.
Yes that is right. I am involved at the moment of a redesign of a gov website
and we have to create the website to cover level 3 standards...
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> They are flawed and stay flawed everyday. Get real Andreas.
Everyone please take a deep breath and calm down. We are all on the same
side. No need for friendly fire. :)
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Those people could speak for themselves the "many" who "will disagree
with me". You presume to speak for many others. Me generalising, when
you speak for "many" others. Really Andrea!
No I am not generalising, I am quoting from some research I did on
.gov.au websites 22 federal .gov.au sites.
Some of the comments on the AIMIA thread seem to indicate that the
authors believe accessibility is solely about validation and testing,
and that art is only about pretty pictures. I believe that both views
are flawed.
Accessibility is/should be a way of life for anyone building websites. I
d
Web professionals are not doctors and doctors, in Australia at the very
least,
would have their licenses revoked if they did exactly what their
patients asked them to do.
Web professionals however have no licences and do not deal with
life-threatening situations.
The fact of the matter is if som
Yes I need work as well, but I would have to warn a client in writing
that I would proceed to make a website as specified unless they took
the responsibility under the 1992 Discrimination Act.
The doctor must do what is best practice evidence based medicine, not
what the client wants. Web p
Yeah I totally agree. I seriously doubt there are architects writing into
lists saying "we have to design a building that is beautiful AND
accessible"; they just incorporate both into every design.
Web should be the same, it should go without saying that it will be
accessible and it should look a
Hello!
Here's an issue that's been bugging me for a while and I'd really love some
clarification.
There's been a bit of discussion at my work about where we use an image as a
link that we must also provide a text link beneath the image as an
alternative. The text alternative is usually mirroring
I thought from memory that most text readers ignored the title
attribute, A research paper by Vision Australia ex staff member last
year.
Why not put the image in the CSS background-image:
url("Pics/Thispic.jpg");
You can add onfocus or hover events to change the pic and the page is
still clean
If the title attribute is ignored by screen readers, still, it would read
the alt attribute of the image which would include a meaningful description
of where the link is taking them to. Is this an annoying hurdle for screen
reader users - having an alt attribute to go by rather than a plain text
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