Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-08 Thread Brian Toscano
The inter-mountain West is semi-arid or desert. The "dirt" in your front yard can be sand. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: > Georgetown Traditions: What's A Hoya? > The origins of the word "Hoya" defy simple explanation. Over the years, > some > have claimed it is an India

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-06 Thread Gerry Archer
Georgetown Traditions: What's A Hoya? The origins of the word "Hoya" defy simple explanation. Over the years, some have claimed it is an Indian word, while those of a legal mind thought it related to the French word oyez, the traditional opening of judicial sessions. Still others held that with Ge

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-06 Thread Dieselhead
'Been wondering that, myself. Wilton Loren, where *do* you get this "hoya" stuff as a synonym for B.S.? Don't have time for the story where I got the word, but as alex surmises it stands for the S part of BS, but is not gender specific, and applies only to large N.A mammals Cattle

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-06 Thread WILTON
'Been wondering that, myself. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ... Well, my boy is a Hoya right now, and my niece was a Hoya, and I s

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-06 Thread Rich Thomas
Well, my boy is a Hoya right now, and my niece was a Hoya, and I still ask them, "What the hell's a Hoya?" --R On 6/6/13 1:56 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: I really wanted to keep saying "Hoya" from the back row repeate

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > I really wanted to keep saying "Hoya" from the back row repeatedly. I >> held my tongue, but it is discouraging to hear BSA espousing such BS. > > Loren, where *do* you get this "hoya" stuff as a synonym for B.S.? I've ne

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Dieselhead
http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm "New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire causes the cone of an older jack pine tree to open up and release seeds. Cones that need heat, such as the heat from fire, in order to open are called serotinous cones

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Dieselhead
I suspect a lot of that has to do with where "here" and "there" are. To get the ground to turn into glass here in New England would require tremendous heat as even when its very dry its still fairly wet. If you were already starting from fairly dry I suspect that you'd require less heat to dry

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2013-06-05 Thread Mountain Man
Curt wrote: > ...coating on the seeds that only gets broken down when heated by fire... > > I agree that many of the forestry policies in practice now are dumb but I > don't think fire is always a bad thing. > When my son and I drove our '83 240D home from LA we took US20 all the way home from it

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread clay
e... > > I agree that many of the forestry policies in practice now are dumb but I > don't think fire is always a bad thing. > > -Curt > > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:22:06 -0400 > From: Andrew Strasfogel > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fro

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2013-06-05 Thread Curt Raymond
3 11:22:06 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm "New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire cau

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
If they do they will burn their mouths.. On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Max wrote: > Squirrels don't eat pine cones in Michigan? > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston, SC > '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 > > Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > >http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Max
Squirrels don't eat pine cones in Michigan? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm > >"New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire causes the >cone >of an older jack pine t

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm "New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire causes the cone of an older jack pine tree to open up and release seeds. Cones that need heat, such as the heat from fire, in order to open are called serotinous cones

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2013-06-04 Thread Max
Squirrels! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >Fire DOES release seeds. Ever hear of jack pine? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://ww

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
rn > >much more readily and more easily create more heat. As you've got a lot > >less under brush I'd bet the winds whip up a lot better in a fire too. > > > >Huge regional variation across this great land of ours yet it seems > >like our political idiots feel like

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Max
great land of ours yet it seems >like our political idiots feel like one management schema always makes >the most sense. > >-Curt > >Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:22:11 -0600 >From: Craig >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ... >Message-ID: <

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Scott Ritchey
I seem to recall a particular place in NM where the soil fit this description. They called it Trinity Site. > The top surface of the soil is glazed like glass and repels water. All >of the vegetative material, even that below the soil, is destroyed. >We have had those kinds of fires near

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread clay
03 Jun 2013 20:52:47 -0400 > From: Max > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ... > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > 'Tis a real crime how the enviro-nazis have successfully halted management of > our federal forest

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond
it seems like our political idiots feel like one management schema always makes the most sense. -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:22:11 -0600 From: Craig To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ... Message-ID: <20130604112211.e7ec073d49af7c0c1f44b...@pisquared.net> C

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2013-06-04 Thread Scott Ritchey
On Tuesday, June 04, 2013 12:08 PM Curt Raymond wrote ... Fire is natures forest refresher. --- In a prior life I had some responsibility for the test range at Eglin AFB in the FL panhandle. We accidently started a lot of fires there with various munitions tests.

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Craig
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond wrote: > "The sterilized ground left behind won't support much life at all for > years" Now Max that part just isn't true at all. The ground isn't > sterilized and life comes back almost immediately. There are even > plants (mostly trees I thin

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: There are even plants (mostly trees I think) that REQUIRE fire before their seeds will open. Jack Pine is Michigan's example. Since Kirkland's Warbler pretty much exclusively nests in Jack Pine forests, the foolish attempts to prevent regular forest fires (so we get much

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond
ll open. Fire is natures forest refresher. -Curt Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 20:52:47 -0400 From: Max To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 'Tis a real crime how the enviro-nazis have successfully halted mana

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-03 Thread Dieselhead
Back in the '70s or '80s, I think it was, we were told that something we were doing would cause global cooling. Recently we're told that CO2 is causing global warming. Seems like if we combined the global cooling stuff with global warming CO2 we could strike a balance and everyone would be hap

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-03 Thread Craig
On Mon, 3 Jun 2013 23:51:58 -0400 "Gerry Archer" wrote: > Back in the '70s or '80s, I think it was, we were told that something > we were doing would cause global cooling. Recently we're told that CO2 > is causing global > warming. Seems like if we combined the global cooling stuff with global

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-03 Thread Max
I also listen to too much talk radio! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rick Knoble wrote: >On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:52 PM, "Max" wrote: > >> Dumps tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, but don't worry >only the evil CO2 from burning fossil fuels causes global w

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-03 Thread Gerry Archer
Back in the '70s or '80s, I think it was, we were told that something we were doing would cause global cooling. Recently we're told that CO2 is causing global warming. Seems like if we combined the global cooling stuff with global warming CO2 we could strike a balance and everyone would be h

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-03 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:52 PM, "Max" wrote: > Dumps tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, but don't worry only the > evil CO2 from burning fossil fuels causes global warming... You're as cynical as I am. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-03 Thread Max
'Tis a real crime how the enviro-nazis have successfully halted management of our federal forests, so now millions of acres burn every year. The resulting forest fires not only destroy the trees so beloved by the tree-huggers, all the animals are either killed or displaced. The sterilized grou

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-02 Thread Mountain Man
Darren wrote: > Once I get it cruisin that sounds like a great idea. Where are you loc? > Elgin. Bow Truss needs a storefront out here. Ain't nuthin' out here to talk about. Bow Truss have good review from a year ago at home-barista, but nothing lately. mao

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2013-06-02 Thread Darren Marshall
Once I get it cruisin that sounds like a great idea. Where are you loc? Darren Marshall http://doejo.com http://bowtruss.com On Jun 2, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > Darren wrote: >> Used to live in NM as a kid; Rio Rancho and Corrales... > > My son lives in ABQ - he is chief pilot (l

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-02 Thread Mountain Man
Darren wrote: > Used to live in NM as a kid; Rio Rancho and Corrales... My son lives in ABQ - he is chief pilot (lear35) there. We should drive either your '78 or my '84 240D out there for a visit. He likes Cafe Bella - they pull shots with Fat Boy Roastery coffee. mao ___

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2013-06-02 Thread Craig
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:53:25 -0500 Darren Marshall wrote: > Awesome, Craig. > > Used to live in NM as a kid; Rio Rancho and Corrales, until I was about > 12, moved from Fairbanks, AK when my dad was transferred to Kirkland > AFB. > > Love the Balloon Fiesta, parents were a part of a chase crew

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-02 Thread Darren Marshall
Awesome, Craig. Used to live in NM as a kid; Rio Rancho and Corrales, until I was about 12, moved from Fairbanks, AK when my dad was transferred to Kirkland AFB. Love the Balloon Fiesta, parents were a part of a chase crew we'd drive all over the state in a 50s Chevy pickup, to refuel them on

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-02 Thread Craig
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:28:59 -0500 Darren Marshall wrote: > Craig, where are you in NM? Los Alamos Craig > On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Craig wrote: > > > Fire season has started. There is a fire east of us, north of Santa > > Fe, and another to the west of us in the Jemez mountains. Smoke

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-02 Thread Dan Penoff
He lives on "The Hill" - Los Alamos. At night you can see the glow from Santa Fe. Dan On Jun 2, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Darren Marshall wrote: > Craig, where are you in NM? > > Darren Marshall > http://doejo.com > http://bowtruss.com > > On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Craig wrote: > >> Fire seas

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-02 Thread Darren Marshall
Craig, where are you in NM? Darren Marshall http://doejo.com http://bowtruss.com On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Craig wrote: > Fire season has started. There is a fire east of us, north of Santa Fe, > and another to the west of us in the Jemez mountains. Smoke in the sky > today. > > The (closer

[MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-01 Thread Craig
Fire season has started. There is a fire east of us, north of Santa Fe, and another to the west of us in the Jemez mountains. Smoke in the sky today. The (closer) one to the west of us is listed at http://nmfireinfo.com/2013/05/31/crews-battle-thompson-fire-north-of-jemez-springs/ The update say