Re: UNIX A to Z List RFC

2013-02-04 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 10:27:42AM +, James Griffin wrote: I think vi(1) - not vim - would be a great tool for him to learn. A real hardcore UNIX editor, ed(1)

Re: userdel -p option - FAQ/man page issue?

2011-09-15 Thread William Boshuck
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:05:55PM +0200, Tomas Bodzar wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Richard Toohey richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote: That last sentence - sounds exactly like what I need - so I try

Re: Removing secondary groups with usermod -G

2011-03-21 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 01:18:41PM -0500, Chris Bennett wrote: OpenBSD's form of sed requires you to output to a new file and mv that back to original. .. or one could use ed, or perl, to change a file in place. -wb

Re: add new disk

2010-12-21 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 02:59:12PM +0100, roberth wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:25:35 -0600 Orestes Leal R. l...@cubacatering.avianet.cu wrote: Otto, this is not 4.8 it's 4.3, so this is a error now and not a warning, what I must changte in the comnand line to make it work with 4.8?

Re: matching escape string , doesn't work ?

2010-07-05 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 12:42:51PM +0200, Bret S. Lambert wrote: On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 06:35:01PM +0800, Aaron Lewis wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, echo %A3 | sed 's/(%[0-9A-Z]{2})//g' I'd like %A3 like string to be removed , what's wrong with

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread William Boshuck
Perhaps every section of the FAQ begin with an exhortation to read the entire FAQ. I am flabbergasted that someone who runs a 'production' box would put themeselves in this position.

Re: whiteboard over the net

2010-03-30 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 03:15:42PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: Drawing shit with the mouse. Not typing stuff with the keybored. Recently I saw a British geometer (currently in Norway) saying (on the categories mailing list) that he was quite happy with Jarnal.

Re: can a user override etc/mail.rc ignore directive

2010-03-14 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 05:43:13PM -0400, Douglas Maus wrote: When using mail, some header fields are not shown based on /etc/mail.rc: ignore headers (system) and ~/.mailrc: ignore headers (user) Even if a user removes the 'ignore' lines from his/her ~/.mailrc the system /etc/mail.rc

Re: obsd as domU?

2010-01-13 Thread William Boshuck
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 08:31:14AM +0200, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote: Sorry, but you guys from OpenBSD have proved that you can trust the skills of **some** developers viz., precisely those developers that are telling you to not trust the virtualization hype/crap. So, why not trust those

Re: OT: Python (was Re: vi in /bin)

2009-12-19 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 06:00:14PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: ... Really? then why do you use scrotwm? Because it kicks the balls out of every other wm.

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-06 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 11:11:07AM +0200, Soner Tari wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 17:08 -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Soner Tari so...@comixwall.org wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 21:30 +0100, Matthieu Herrb wrote: Making hardware is a lot more difficult than

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-06 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 06:43:01PM +0200, Soner Tari wrote: On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 10:16 -0500, William Boshuck wrote: Since your reply implicitly replaced making with designing, that shouldn't prove to much of a stretch. My reply explicitly emphasizes the difficulty in designing software

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-28 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 01:33:22PM -0200, Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense wrote: I'm not a nvidia fanboy, but I've found the need to clarify what nvidia actually does for open source community. You mean, what nvidia does to close parts of unprincipled projects that like to call themselves 'open

Re: less minor install issue

2009-10-22 Thread William Boshuck
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 03:34:45AM -0400, Daniel Malament wrote: On 10/22/2009 2:41 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: There used to be a message before the install script wiped out filesystems with newfs, listing the partitions and asking if you were sure. Was this removed, or did I somehow miss

Re: thanks for 4.6!

2009-10-22 Thread William Boshuck
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 09:54:20PM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: William Boshuck wrote: The man page is typically excellent, so you can learn au besoin on the fly. May I also suggest the FAQ article written by tmux author Nicholas Marriott? http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq7.html#tmux

Re: thanks for 4.6!

2009-10-22 Thread William Boshuck
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 07:22:27AM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:00:28PM -0700, patrick keshishian wrote: Funny, I always disliked CTRL-A being taken by screen, since it was so handy to go back to the beginning of the command line in ksh. But then, I make a lot

Re: thanks for 4.6!

2009-10-21 Thread William Boshuck
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 01:45:41PM -0400, John Cosimano wrote: --- Brad Tilley [Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 01:16:23PM -0400]: --- de-installed screen(1) and will start using tmux(1), as it's in base. thanks for the effort of doing that---screen was always among the very first packages i

Re: 4.6 arriving

2009-10-03 Thread William Boshuck
Is setting a password on the new package hierarchy and including the password with the CD feasible or desired? This kind of thread makes me want to chew my teeth.

Re: 4.6 arriving

2009-10-03 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 01:26:56PM -0400, Rod Dorman wrote: On Saturday, October 3, 2009, 02:13:51, Theo de Raadt wrote: Have you thought this through, at all? Nope, not at all. You might find the list rather unreceptive to the whistling that results when you unplug both ears. It was

Re: Presentation tool

2009-08-25 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 09:47:27PM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: On Monday 24 August 2009 19:58:40 Mr Man wrote: Hi, I have a presentation coming up, and I would like to use my OpenBSD laptop for it. What is the recommended application for a slides driven presentation? Thanks

Re: screen, ksh with .profile loaded

2009-06-15 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:51:16PM +0800, Jennifer Ma wrote: hi all, i am new to openbsd and screen and ksh ... my question is how to use screen(from package) to load ksh with $HOME/.profile loaded(like a full login shell), so my alias can work again. You can use 'ksh -l' or -/bin/ksh

Re: Edit files on the installer shell?

2009-05-26 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:16:25AM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 07:03:27PM +1000, Sunnz wrote: I am wondering if I wanted to edit something before the installation then what can I use to edit files? I was told that vi is almost always available on any Unix system,

Re: Edit files on the installer shell?

2009-05-26 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 03:43:43PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 08:49:45AM -0400, William Boshuck wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:16:25AM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 07:03:27PM +1000, Sunnz wrote: I am wondering if I wanted to edit

Re: Missing security announcements

2008-11-30 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:23:56AM -0800, new_guy wrote: Martin SchrC6der wrote: Why do you maintain stable by issuing security patches for it if you don't care if anybody installs them (by not telling them about the patches through one of the designated channels)? Don't you want

Re: Missing security announcements

2008-11-15 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:21:22AM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi, On Thu, 13.11.2008 at 08:55:04 -0500, Ted Unangst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So get on the developer's case when they don't send out notifications. All this chatter now isn't going to change anything when the next errata

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-08 Thread William Boshuck
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:09:08PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: You're right Theo, but isn't better an answer like: RTFC ? Just 4 char. There is no point in telling people who can't read the code, to go read the code. It won't change a thing. They really will keep coming back to misc

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread William Boshuck
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:05:19PM -0500, Damian Gerow wrote: I would assume you're referring to uvm_loadav in uvm_meter.c? That's where I'm looking. I was hoping for a little English to help me with my understanding, but maybe I'm just not clever enough. Likely this is not the real

Re: OpenBSD 4.4 - fdisk issue

2008-11-05 Thread William Boshuck
On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:57:31AM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 01:03:37PM -0500, William Boshuck wrote: Sorry, this does seem ok in 4.3. (An example in the FAQ uses a relative path, and that's what I've always done.) It only seems ok in 4.3 *if you ignore

Re: OpenBSD 4.4 - fdisk issue

2008-11-04 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 05:39:46PM +0100, Christophe Rioux wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 04:31:57PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just try to install OpenBSD 4.4 on a serveur (HP DL120 G5) to test the functionality of the raid (seens it works again .). I configure the first

Re: OpenBSD 4.4 - fdisk issue

2008-11-04 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 12:59:29PM -0500, William Boshuck wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 05:39:46PM +0100, Christophe Rioux wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 04:31:57PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just try to install OpenBSD 4.4 on a serveur (HP DL120 G5) to test

Re: installboot: broken mbr on 4.4

2008-11-02 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 07:39:20AM -0500, Josh Grosse wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 04:28:54AM -0700, Michael wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 07:40:12AM +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: ... cd /mnt # /usr/mdec/installboot -v boot /mnt/biosboot wd0 It should not be

Re: editors in floppy44.fs (OpenBSD 4.4.) - newbee help

2008-11-02 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 07:31:04AM +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: On 13:36:22 Nov 01, Chris Kuethe wrote: As long as your filesystems are still readable, you can use a more comfortable tool: mount /dev/wd0a /mnt mount /dev/wd0d /mnt/var mount /dev/wd0e /mnt/usr

Re: editors in floppy44.fs (OpenBSD 4.4.) - newbee help

2008-11-01 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 08:33:44PM +0100, soko.tica wrote: Hello list, I did manage to scr... err, mess up partitioning scheme through disklabel, so I've booted from floppy, mounted partitions to /tmp/a/, tmp/d/, /tmp/e/, but when I attempt to edit etc/fstab by ed I get: #chmod 766

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-30 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 03:37:12PM -0400, Heimdall Imbert wrote: I understand what you mean. No, it seems from your response that you do not. The mailing lists are at best secondary sources, for particular and possibly unusual difficulties that you cannot resolve by reading the primary

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-28 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:31:14PM -0400, Heimdall Imbert wrote: Hahaha, I wanted to say the same thing but figured that this wouldn't be an appropriate venue for a discussion of this nature. But since someone else brought it up, I figure I might as well add my two cents. I currently run

Re: Longest Uptime?

2008-10-28 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 05:54:12PM -0700, new_guy wrote: I know. Longest uptime is silly, macho, pointless stuff... but I ran across an old SunOS 2.6 box that had been up for 387 days. It had been hacked. The only reason it was not an open mail relay is that /var was full. So, I thought to

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 09:57:04AM +0200, Denis Doroshenko wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neko wrote: this is the future. people use multiple os on their machine That's actually the past... multibooting seemed way more popular ten years

Re: Mail(1) behavior of p command?

2008-08-04 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 02:22:01PM -0500, Aaron W. Hsu wrote: Hello all, I am trying to use the mail(1) p command. According to the help that is printed out when running the program, it seems that the p command should pipe the message out to LPR and print it. However, it just prints the

Re: openbsd web server failure

2008-08-04 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 10:58:19AM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: I've considered putting together a short article on Undeadly describing this technique based on my own efforts porting security/hatchet, but I wasn't sure if there would be any interest. I would be interested in reading the

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread William Boshuck
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:30:02AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Tony Abernethy wrote (to tedu@): Out of curiosity, what happens when you install X but answer no to the question about intending to RUN X? ... It would install all the C crap and not put startx in rc, in

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread William Boshuck
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 08:06:23PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Shouldn't GPL versions follow the bright example of TeX, and thus the next version be 3.1? That might converge in some sense. If the end is to be something like license.template, then we're talking about GPL version theta, where

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread William Boshuck
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 03:42:15PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: I always do my homework, Is the following mindless word-drool about 'put startx into rc' an example of how you do your homework? On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:30:02AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Tony Abernethy

Re: ROOTBACKUP=1 no backup done

2008-07-05 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 02:25:55AM +0200, Gabri Mate wrote: Hey There List, I've made an /altroot partition, exactly the same size as my /, and it is also mounted. I've put ROOTBACKUP=1 in root's crontab, but my / partition doesn't get dumped on /altroot at the daily cron's run. See item 2.

Re: Editing C with...

2008-05-04 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 05:32:28PM +0200, Dorian B|ttner wrote: Steve Shockley schrieb: Had a royal PITA the other day when I misspelled softdep in the /usr line in fstab, and didn't know how to use ed. No prob w/o ed :) You can just cat /etc/fstab | grep -v usr /etc/fstab.new

Re: OpenBSD Artwork BSD Licensed?

2008-03-22 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 08:46:16PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: [Quoting Richard Daemon] I'm not sure how else to ask this, but are we allowed to take some of the OpenBSD artwork such as the blowfish wireframe pictures and specs, get some stickers, t-shirts or other custom media developed

Re: BSD Documentation License?

2008-03-21 Thread William Boshuck
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 08:32:53PM +0200, Lars Noodin wrote: If one has to identify a specific license (or licenses) for OpenBSD documentation, which is/are recommended? Is there a generic BSD-Documenation License anymore? I wasn't able to spot anything in either the OpenBSD FAQ or the

Re: BSD Documentation License?

2008-03-21 Thread William Boshuck
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 02:41:27PM -0400, William Boshuck wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 08:32:53PM +0200, Lars Noodin wrote: If one has to identify a specific license (or licenses) for OpenBSD documentation, which is/are recommended? Is there a generic BSD-Documenation License anymore

Re: the death of the oldest OpenBSD system on the net...

2008-03-18 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:16:13AM +0100, Siegbert Marschall wrote: On Monday 17 March 2008 22:12:05 you wrote: ... Got any more _freebsd_ success stories for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^ No. But I will be shutting down a ten year old

Re: P2V with VMWare - ERR M

2008-02-28 Thread William Boshuck
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 07:24:41AM +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: On 09:42:17 Feb 28, Steve Shockley wrote: Recipes don't teach you how to cook. I can second this ... In spite of my making mistakes and experimentation I still cannot be sure how my dish will end up tasting. One

Re: changing bash prompt escape sequences

2008-02-24 Thread William Boshuck
I have seen the following sort of remarks a couple of times this past week, yet I haven't seen them corrected. Nick Holland is such an excellent writer that, as often as not, you don't need to look at the sample code to follow his advice. That's not relevant in this case, except insofar as I

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:11:32AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: ... why don't you and rest of the team, led by Theo take a concious decision to stop downloads? OpenBSD is introduced (e.g., on the main web page) by three, adjectives. It might be worthwhile to grasp the first of those before

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:16:08AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: ... I've NEVER got any of the code for FREE, Yes, you did. The code is free. The CDs are not.

Re: Test pedantry, please ignore

2008-01-29 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 03:22:24PM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Tuesday 29 January 2008, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: That's the second - and last - explaining from my side. I want to add, that such (over)reaction of several persons is very disappointing to me. there once was a Pole

Re: Sun Ultra 5

2008-01-17 Thread William Boshuck
On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 11:01:07PM +, Janke Knolli wrote: Hi, my first post here. I just installed OpenBSD 4.2 from the official CD's on a Sun Ultra 5 270Mhz 128MB RAM with mouse, keyboard (5C) and a ordinary vga monitor. All smooth and good. Then there's the problem: Reading

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-07 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:24AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: I find it impolite that you partially removed my questions and only responded to some of them. I asked you if you please could respond to all paragraphs. People raise many issues in these messages. My idea of

Re: A sad thread - RMS vs. OpenBSD

2008-01-07 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 01:37:46AM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:21:14 -0500 Eliah Kagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (There are also multiple useful, mutually-inconsistent formal systems in both fields.) Provably so? Yes. For example, in intuitionistic

Cartesian closed without products

2008-01-07 Thread William Boshuck
Hi Richard, have you looked at Laver's work on elementary embeddings of ranks and left distributive operations? (Bourbaki swerve: Large cardinals ahead.) It is from the early 90's. I think that the main paper was published in the Advances, or the Annals. Patrick Dehornoy (a name you might know

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-07 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 12:14:59PM -0500, Richard Salmon wrote: IMO, a big part of the problem here is that when you say recommend in this context what you actually mean appears (based on the discussion here) to be something that most people would express as not deliberately

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:58:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: On another hand we are not GNU/GPL and we don't mind our users installing non free software if it is what they want. The FAQ is where this needs to be documented for users to get their job done faster. If you don't mind

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:28:24PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: I represent neither FSF nor OpenBSD. I probably represent the community which listens to the propagandas put across by both but wants to fight back against false marketing and for the right things TM. Great. The first step is

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:39:17PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: On Jan 5, 2008 11:20 PM, William Boshuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:58:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: On another hand we are not GNU/GPL and we don't mind our users installing non free

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 05:53:40PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: ... you distribute non-free software. It has been pointed out on numerous occasions that this is a false statement. No, I am a victim Only because you elect to remain uninformed.

Re: how to create package example..

2008-01-04 Thread William Boshuck
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:24:03PM -0800, Jon wrote: Not doing any thing strange.. just want to create a binary (foobar) and create a package so I can add it.** Why I want to do that is not the question. I know I can tar the install location with +CONTENT and +DESC etc.. and get done with

Re: how to create a sha256 hash

2008-01-04 Thread William Boshuck
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:30:36PM -0800, Jon wrote: hi how to create a sha256 value for file in openbsd ? See the -a option to cksum(1). or Type apropos sha256 at the prompt, pick something that looks promising (e.g., SHA256_Init) and open its man page. Don't get dejected if the first thing

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread William Boshuck
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:48:13PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:05:37PM -0500, Stuart VanZee wrote: Wow... it is incredibly telling that you chose a game, a pretty obscure one at that as far as I can tell, to base your argument on. The world will fall

Re: Using Mail(1)

2007-12-25 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Dec 25, 2007 at 07:12:50PM +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: On 12:06:02 Dec 25, Pieter Verberne wrote: I just checked out the 'wl=72' stuff in vi. Works exactly like 'tw' in vim. I then did an fmt in the end. The result looks much better of course. But there is a problem. The

Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-17 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 12:21:44PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: 2) If supporting non-free software is bad, What I object to is referring people to non-free software as something to install. Supporting is a broader term, and includes various different practices. I don't object

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:36:31PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: ... Remember all the people who accused me of lying because at some time I described the presence of these recipes as the ports system includes non-free software? Actually, in the quote from the interview you refer first to the

Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-16 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 08:01:53AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 12:11:16AM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: ... All of that is called free speech. The right of OpenBSD to be mean, The right to spray views you do not like or people you think are idiots with

Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-16 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 05:24:48PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Ray Percival wrote: [quoting and excerpt from Theo's log message in (e.g.): http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/etc/Attic/ipf.rules] ... But software which OpenBSD uses and redistributes must be free to all

Tricky Dicky [Was: Real men don't attack straw men]

2007-12-15 Thread William Boshuck
On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 03:49:19PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: I should more precisely have said that the OpenBSD ports system includes instructions for fetching, building and installing specific non-free programs. Yes, that would be the truth. What you did say,

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-13 Thread William Boshuck
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Yes, that's what I was told. I was also told that OpenBSD's ports system includes non-free programs. Is that accurate too? (William Boshuck replied:) Strictly speaking, no. If you unpack ports.tar.gz

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-12 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:47:00PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:00:14PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: ... I was also told that OpenBSD's ports system includes non-free programs. Is that accurate too? [William Boshuck replied:] Strictly speaking

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-11 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:00:14PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: OpenBSD is by far the most free OS in the landscape. Everything that ships with it is free or else it won't be distributed with it. Yes, that's what I was told. I was also told that OpenBSD's ports system includes

Re: removing a list of users

2007-11-15 Thread William Boshuck
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 01:06:57PM -0500, Piet Slaghekke wrote: Thanks Serge, When I do: while read uid; do userdel $uid; done userlist.txt I get: while: Expression Syntax. The foregoing command was written in Bourne shell syntax. The error message you report suggests that you are using

Re: [OT] making Firefox respect telnet:// URLs

2007-11-12 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 02:02:32AM +0100, Linus Swdlas wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:25:29 +0100, ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ${var##string} part is ksh or bash specific, see Parameter Expansion in the bash man page if you're using bash. I see your #! line says /bin/sh but to my

Re: Printing with apsfilter

2007-11-11 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 10:43:42AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 09:57:56PM -0500, William Boshuck wrote: ... you can use rg in /etc/printcap. IIRC, LRNng also lets you make it easy so that, for example, if you have 1000 users in 100 work groups, with 100 work group

Re: Printing with apsfilter

2007-11-10 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:46:19PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: ... And this is the big difference between lpd and LPRng. With LPRng you can specify who can use what of those printers even if all the originators are on the same box. I think that lpd just lets you specify what boxes can

Re: OpenBSD kernel janitors

2007-11-03 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 12:16:50PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 09:49:03AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Surely they are too busy whining at us for lists, to actually search for the lists. I'll say it again more clearly -- all of you whiners just plain suck. Who

Re: OpenBSD kernel janitors

2007-11-03 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 12:01:46PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 09:23:53AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: ... We've got a PR database with bugs in it, and we NEVER get fixes from outsiders. That's not news to anyone, if they actually wanted to do Maybe the outsiders

Re: non-PHP webmail solutions

2007-10-06 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Oct 06, 2007 at 06:16:59PM +0200, Robert Urban wrote: ... a while ago (Nov, 2006), someone asked what webmail solutions people recommended. People suggested: ... of all of these, only openwebmail does not rely on PHP, which I deeply mistrust. Does anyone know of any others that

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 08:19:39AM +1000, Damien Miller wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 09:54:10PM +1000, Damien Miller wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is

Re: Show your appreciation and get your 4.2 DVD

2007-09-08 Thread William Boshuck
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 11:15:15PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Decreasing CD sales means the margins have to be adjusted. More of you are relying on our FTP services, and also donating less. When I started using OpenBSD I was middle-aged and largely computer illiterate (I have never had a

Re: ports installing files in /etc?

2006-11-18 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 02:35:27PM +0100, Igor Sobrado wrote: ... As both NetBSD and OpenBSD are using the same tools to manage ports/packages, I don't think this is true. OpenBSD doesn't use pkgsrc, and the pkg_ tools on OpenBSD have been very seriously (and wonderfully) rewritten by