citations

2002-07-29 Thread Chris Burford
Louis Proyect 24 July >Chris Buford: > >But it is not the case that there is nothing in the EZ that conforms to >the progressive interests of working people, just because it is a victory >for the ruling class. For one thing they generally appreciate the benefits >of a large market, as Lenin no

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Drudgery

2002-07-29 Thread Davies, Daniel
>The question isn't so much technology for the moment, but what kind >of developmental path to follow. I suspect that lots of advocates of >appropriate technology would like to keep the technological level >fairly static, and social structures oriented around the very local - >and those in t

Re: question

2002-07-29 Thread Mohammad Maljoo
A Conference Summary paper summarizing some background papers on the status of the philanthropic and nonprofit sectors in ten societies throughout Asia Pacific: http://www.asianphilanthropy.org/appc/appc_conference.pdf >From: "Ellen Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >

RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Gar Lipow
Justin said > There are political technicians--Lydons Johnsons, Dick Morrises, Karl > Roves, who are political machers, who can make the system work to attain > particular ends. Thoise people need to be used and kept on a short > leash. Why not take that attitude to experts in general?

Experts vs. Intellectuals?

2002-07-29 Thread Ben Day
As a slight digression on this thread, I've been wondering whether "experts" in the U.S. often fill a role that "public intellectuals" fill in some other countries (France, for example). I'm thinking here not so much of courtroom experts as the "experts" popular media turn to for commentary, t

Re: : RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Justin Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: [PEN-L:28839] : RE: Expertise >From: "Ian Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [PEN-L:28838] Re

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >In a message dated 7/29/02 1:49:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > Of course, in politics, the main body of "experts" > > >is the revolutionary party guiding society. > > > > > > > > > Gaak. That is exactly where there and can be no expertise, just >politic

Goldman makes large call buy ahead of upgrade in semis

2002-07-29 Thread pms
Optionetics Articles INDEX INTELLIGENCE: SMH-Suspicious Trading Surrounds Semi HOLDRS By Frederic Ruffy, Optionetics.com 7/29/2002 12:30:00 PM Sunday's New York Times ran an interesting story on the front page of the Monday & Business section ("Trust Shattered, Wall Street Can't Afford Coincid

RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >"Could you please describe in plain English the curtailment of my > >liberties?" > > > >Ian > > >The judge asked him what time it was >Reuben said, Five to ten, >The Judge said, That's exactly what you get > >--Hurricane (Bob Dylan) > My bad. It's the embarassing song "Joey," a tribute to Cra

: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
>From: "Ian Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [PEN-L:28838] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Expertise >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:38:13 -0700 > > >- Original Message - >From: "Justin Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > if so, is > > >

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Justin Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > if so, is > >that form of truth meaningful in a general context? > > What does that mean? There is one one form of truth, which is, as Aristotle > said long ago, to say of that which is, that it is,a nd that which is

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >if i may say something as the resident slow thinker: things are >whizzing by at a good speed on this thread but it seems to me >that certain things are not clear (at least to me!). the examples >and analysis (offered by michael p. and others) seems to touch >upon the dangers of letting experts

Re: Re: Vandana Shiva

2002-07-29 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Michael Pollak : > On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Ulhas Joglekar wrote: > > > > > Yes, but there is a viewpoint which attributes the relative backwardness > > of French industry to the presence of French peasant economy. > > I'm not sure I follow. By 1970 France had certainly reached the point > every de

UNDP urges political reform in China

2002-07-29 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
The Times of India SATURDAY, JUNE 29, 2002 UNDP urges political reform in China AFP BEIJING: A scathing UN-sponsored report published Friday urged the Chinese government to implement political reforms if it is to head off a mounting environment catastrophe as well as growing social unrest. Th

look who's borrowing

2002-07-29 Thread Ian Murray
July 29, 2002 U.S. to Borrow $76 Billion WASHINGTON (AP) - The government, reacting to a worsening financial picture, said Monday that it plans to tap $76 billion from the credit markets this quarter to compensate for lower income-tax payments and increased spending. The Treasury Department's ne

speaking of the law

2002-07-29 Thread Ian Murray
Congress Steps Up to Force Lawyers To Look Closer at Corporate Clients By James V. Grimaldi Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, July 29, 2002; Page E01 While the American Bar Association talked to death proposed ethics rules for lawyers who stumble upon corporate fraud, the wave of Wall Street

Re: Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread ScottH9999
In a message dated 7/29/02 1:49:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Of course, in politics, the main body of "experts" > >is the revolutionary party guiding society. > > > > > Gaak. That is exactly where there and can be no expertise, just politics. > When will

unsubscribe

2002-07-29 Thread Robert Alford
>From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [PEN-L:28830] Re: Re: Re: The new EU >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:30:46 -0400 > >Chris Burford quoting Lenin: > >>"From their daily experience the masses know perfectly well the value of >>geog

Re: Re: Re: The new EU

2002-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Burford quoting Lenin: > "From their daily experience the masses know perfectly well the value > of geographical and economic ties and the advantages of a big market > and a big state." > > May 1914 This is the entire paragraph, which comes from chapter 5 of "The Right of Nations of Sel

Official federal web site for reporting terrorists

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: Official federal web site for reporting terrorists [here's a cleaner version]   Here's the official web site form for reporting any of those terrorists that are hanging around your neighborhood.   Joe McCarthy would be proud!   https://www.ifccfbi.gov/complaint/terrorist.asp JD

FW: No Joke! Official federal web site for reporting terrorists

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: FW: No Joke! Official federal web site for reporting terrorists Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: Dana Lubow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [

Re: Re: The new EU

2002-07-29 Thread Chris Burford
At 24/07/02 09:40 -040 Louis Proyect wrote: >Chris Buford: > >>But it is not the case that there is nothing in the EZ that conforms to >>the progressive interests of working people, just because it is a victory >>for the ruling class. For one thing they generally appreciate the >>benefits of a

Enron, post-structurally............

2002-07-29 Thread Ian Murray
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/sgabriel/post_structuralist_firm.htm

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28811] Re: RE: Re: RE: Expertise > "Could you please describe in plain English the curtailment > of my liberties?" > > Ian you have the right to remain silent... Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine  

Re: Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread ravi
if i may say something as the resident slow thinker: things are whizzing by at a good speed on this thread but it seems to me that certain things are not clear (at least to me!). the examples and analysis (offered by michael p. and others) seems to touch upon the dangers of letting experts decid

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Justin Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:52 PM Subject: [PEN-L:28819] Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Expertise > >"Could you please describe in plain English the curtailment of my >liberties?" > >Ian The judge asked

Re: Re: RE: Re: B. Friedman on Stiglitz

2002-07-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Ellen Frank wrote: >Last night I was re-reading Friedman's book The Day of Reckoning. >Every chapter starts with a quote from the Old Testament on the >moral hazards of borrowing. He really does seem to be talking more >about the international asset position of the US than about the public >debt

Re: Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
Thus I don't think you will be able >to write all laws and contracts in simple English; the effort of protecting >against other lawyers will prevent it if nothing else. Though I'm sure that >it can be done a lot of the time. A lot of law is technical and there are centuries of technical vocabul

Re: RE: Re: B. Friedman on Stiglitz

2002-07-29 Thread Ellen Frank
Last night I was re-reading Friedman's book The Day of Reckoning. Every chapter starts with a quote from the Old Testament on the moral hazards of borrowing. He really does seem to be talking more about the international asset position of the US than about the public debt, but he never makes that

Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >"Could you please describe in plain English the curtailment of my >liberties?" > >Ian The judge asked him what time it was Reuben said, Five to ten, The Judge said, That's exactly what you get --Hurricane (Bob Dylan) Or as we say in Shytown, you all fucked, cuz. jks _

Zoellick

2002-07-29 Thread Hinrich Kuhls
>Doha was described by Robert Zoellick, the U.S. Trade Representative, as >having "removed the stain of Seattle". Seattle stands as a historical >watershed, through which citizens mobilised democratically to respond to >free-trade treaties and agendas of corporate globalisation. 1. Sueddeut

RE: Re: B. Friedman on Stiglitz

2002-07-29 Thread Forstater, Mathew
The Friedman/Nell exchange in NYRB, linked from the BF on Stiglitz page, also has BF in the position of deficit hawk. Nell gets in some good points. Unfortunately, NYRB is charging for peeking at their archives now, is that right? -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL P

Re: Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: [PEN-L:28806] Re: Re: RE: Expertise > I would add one other dimension to the list of problems that Scott > mention: arrogance that often leads to disas

Re: Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread joanna bujes
At 05:13 PM 07/29/2002 -0400, you wrote: >"science does not think" -- martin heidegger > >(thought i would throw that one out and see what kind of fish >it attracts ;-)). > > --ravi Hard to say without context; but normative science is more like a vetted bureaucratic procedure ...hence

"new international lending opportunities" for Sudan

2002-07-29 Thread pms
July 29, 2002 Peace in Sudan opens window of oil opportunities The Sudanese government and rebel groups in control of the country's south signed an interim deal last week that is hoped to bring an end to a 20-year civil war that has cost two million lives. Following the signing of the agreement,

Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Gar Lipow
Justin Schwartz wrote: >> > > Legalese is awful. It's not even English. But there were striitings in > America to make it more like English quite a while ago. The Legal > realists, like Jerome Frank and Thurman Arnold, were quite good writers, > following in the manner of their master Justi

Re: Re: RE: Re: B. Friedman on Stiglitz

2002-07-29 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: [PEN-L:28805] Re: RE: Re: B. Friedman on Stiglitz > He was describing debt in general. Yes, Summers raved about patriotism. Plea

Re: RE: Re: the pope

2002-07-29 Thread Carrol Cox
> "Devine, James" wrote: > > the "quote" was: "Why must we always focus on the bad priests instead > of the 65 percent of them who would never do anything like that?" > > this says that 35/100 or 7/20 priests are "bad." > You haven't noticed Michael Pereleman's little addition to your origi

Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread ravi
"science does not think" -- martin heidegger (thought i would throw that one out and see what kind of fish it attracts ;-)). --ravi

Re: RE: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Ian Murray
RE: [PEN-L:28795] Re: RE: Expertise - Original Message - From: Devine, James To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: [PEN-L:28804] RE: Re: RE: Expertise Justin writes: >Legalese is awful. It's not even English. But there were striitings in America to make i

[Fwd: A World Awash In Hormones]

2002-07-29 Thread Carrol Cox
This seems to offer material for "both" sides on the debate over "experts" Carrol Subject: A World Awash In Hormones Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:46:58 -0700 From:Phil Gasper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Published on Monday, July 29, 2002 by CommonDre

Re: Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >I would add one other dimension to the list of problems that Scott >mention: arrogance that often leads to disaster for all concerned, which >is why I mentioned Dr. Lay. > -- > The Greeks had a word for that . . . . jks _ Send a

Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
I would add one other dimension to the list of problems that Scott mention: arrogance that often leads to disaster for all concerned, which is why I mentioned Dr. Lay. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28795] Re: RE: Expertise Justin writes: >Legalese is awful. It's not even English. But there were striitings in America to make it more like English quite a while ago. The Legal realists, like Jerome Frank and Thurman Arnold, were quite good writers, following in  the manner

Re: RE: Re: B. Friedman on Stiglitz

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
He was describing debt in general. Yes, Summers raved about patriotism. On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 01:48:29PM -0700, Devine, James wrote: > Summers was lashing out at B. Friedman because the latter was highlighting > _government_ debt? is the infamous session where Summers went on and on > about p

RE: Re: the pope

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28794] Re: the pope the "quote" was:  "Why must we always focus on the bad priests instead of the 65 percent of them who would never do anything like that?" this says that 35/100 or 7/20 priests are "bad." BTW, it's rumored that Arthur Andersen has said "Why must we alway

Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Theses on Feuerbach III The materialist doctrine concerning the changing of circumstances and upbringing forgets that circumstances are changed by men and that the educator must himself be educated. This doctrine must, therefore, divide society into two parts, one of which is superior to society

RE: Re: B. Friedman on Stiglitz

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28790] Re: B. Friedman on Stiglitz  Summers was lashing out at B. Friedman because the latter was highlighting _government_ debt? is the infamous session where Summers went on and on about patriotism? JD -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman To: [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
Of course, in politics, the main body of "experts" >is the revolutionary party guiding society. > Gaak. That is exactly where there and can be no expertise, just politics. When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn? _ M

: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
But that's not expertise, right, if it's nothing more than that. Expertise means knowing how to do things, special skills or knowledge. Maybe your example shows the misuse of real expertise (math skills) to obfuscate, maintain hierarchy, etc., rather than to promote economic analysis. jks > >t

Re: Expertise ?

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >If, as Justin argues, "Most judges, at least federal ones that I know of, >enforce the law fairly" (i.e. evenhandedly), how come e.g. a >disproportionate number of US blacks end up in jail ? Of course, you can >make sociological arguments that more blacks commit crimes or more blacks >are

Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread ScottH9999
In a message dated 7/29/02 10:55:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > We should never forget that just > because "we experts" "know more than they do," their insights can be > extremely useful and even superior. Experts and authorities are needed everywhere, but as Jim D

Re: Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
>Expertise also occurs in some specific context. Today's industrial medicine >means that your doctor has at most 15 minutes to spend figuring out what >your problem is. Because of the current mind/body split ideology, chances >are that your doctor will never touch you (if he/she can help it).

Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >I think most professions suffer from the "mandarin disease" (named after >the >fact that the Imperial Chinese Mandarins required that new bureaucrats be >excellent at calligraphy, even though it didn't help them rule). More useful than many skills, btw, it was part of just being an educated

Re: the pope

2002-07-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Jurriaan Bendien wrote: > > That would imply one in 15 priests is a "bad priest". I'll bear it in mind, > just in case. I'm afraid you didn't notice the tongue-in-cheek numbers. One in 15 is a "good" priest. :-) Carrol

the pope

2002-07-29 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
That would imply one in 15 priests is a "bad priest". I'll bear it in mind, just in case.

Re: Kerala

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Pollak
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Ulhas Joglekar wrote: > > Ulhas, could recommend a good book that describes India's distinctive, > > and recently fairly successful, non-export-led development path? > > Michael, I am not sure what period you have in mind. I'm sorry, I should have been clearer. I'm thinki

Re: Re: Oxymoron (was Expertise)

2002-07-29 Thread Eugene Coyle
I work (or used to) as an expert witness. I have had a lot of success in persuading Federal and State judges and various kinds of commissioners to accept my recommendations. And I've had a lot of failures. In front of commissions the acceptance rate jumps if there are a lot of angry people in t

Re: B. Friedman on Stiglitz

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
I once organized a panel with Robert Pollin, Larry Summers, Robert Eisner, and Benjamin Friedman. The weird part was when Summers said that he had enough anti-Americanism. He didn't lash out at Robert Pollin, but at Friedman, who was worried about excessive debt. Now he thinks that Summers migh

Re: Vandana Shiva

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Pollak
On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Ulhas Joglekar wrote: > > France preserved its peasant economy along with industrial advancement > > in the 19th century. Marx said in the 18th Brumaire those peasants > > were at a cul-de-sac of history. But they were still around a century > > later. And then they won

Expertise ?

2002-07-29 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
If, as Justin argues, "Most judges, at least federal ones that I know of, enforce the law fairly" (i.e. evenhandedly), how come e.g. a disproportionate number of US blacks end up in jail ? Of course, you can make sociological arguments that more blacks commit crimes or more blacks are poor, et

Re: Vandana Shiva

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Pollak
On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Ulhas Joglekar wrote: > > I don't see at all how an alternate development of the countryside > > contradicts advanced industrial production. This seems like a false > > dichotomy. > > Michael, I am not sure this is true of industrial crops such as cotton, > oilseeds, sugar

Re: the pope

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
No. It was 6.5%. On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 11:55:27AM -0700, Devine, James wrote: > is it true that in Toronto, the Pope was overheard to say "Why must we > always focus on the bad priests instead of the 65 percent of them who would > never do anything like that?" > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

one more time on reform and revolution

2002-07-29 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
As a digression into Lenin quotology, I was just leafing through an old copy of Medvedev's book on The October Revolution, and at the end he quotes an interesting bit from Lenin's article on the fourth anniversary of Soviet power, where Lenin freely admits he is engaging in reformism and that i

the pope

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: the pope is it true that in Toronto, the Pope was overheard to say "Why must we always focus on the bad priests instead of the 65 percent of them who would never do anything like that?" Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread joanna bujes
At 02:20 PM 07/29/2002 +, you wrote: >Well, we have already established that I am an arrogant, elitist, right >wing tool of the bourgeoisie, no socialist, and a general son of a bitch, >so pay no attention to me. You go find a doctor who knows less than you do >about medicine. I gather that

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
that expertise is sometimes nothing more than the artificial creation of hierarchy. On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 05:41:18PM +, Justin Schwartz wrote: > > : Expertise > >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:29:06 -0700 > > > >Writing about expertise, I think that we should recall how Alfred Marshall > >revam

RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: Expertise Michael Perelman:> Writing about expertise, I think that we should recall how  Alfred Marshall revamped econ. education -- making it more mathematical, even though he himself rejected the idea that math was useful for economics -- just to make it more difficult for outsid

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
: Expertise >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:29:06 -0700 > >Writing about expertise, I think that we should recall how Alfred Marshall >revamped econ. education -- making it more mathematical, even though he >himself rejected the idea that math was useful for economics -- just to >make it more difficul

Re: RE: Re: Re: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Writing about expertise, I think that we should recall how Alfred Marshall revamped econ. education -- making it more mathematical, even though he himself rejected the idea that math was useful for economics -- just to make it more difficult for outsiders to comment on economic matters. -- Mich

B. Friedman on Stiglitz

2002-07-29 Thread Ian Murray
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/15630

RE: Saudi Arabia

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28698] Saudi Arabia >His brother Prince Naif, head of the Interior Ministry, has led a crackdown on the Saudi media in the wake of the demonstrations to stop any word of them leaking out.< speaking of oxymorons, how could the Minister of the Interior be a "naif"? Jim Devi

Re: RE: Re: Re: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
It's not I but Shane who is thinking in individualistic terms. My point is precisely that there is some tendency for thesystem to select Rehnquists who don't have to be told what to think. The federal judiciary is of course life-appointed and so more resistant to electoral pressures than many s

Re: Re: : Oxymoron of the Day (was Expertise)

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >> ...incompetent ones[experts] Don't be silly. Experts are not by definition competent. They are persons with special training and knowledge. In law we distinguish between an expert's qualifications, and whether his opinion is based in fact and informed by scientific method, as well as

Vandana Shiva on the WTO

2002-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2001-12/04shiva.cfm December 04, 2001 Doha: Saving Wto, Killing Democracy By Vandana Shiva Doha was described by Robert Zoellick, the U.S. Trade Representative, as having "removed the stain of Seattle". Seattle stands as a historical watershed, through

RE: Re: Re: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28739] Re: Re: Expertise JKS: >Shane thinks that most judges are just tools of the capitalist class who do their bidding. ... Even in the case of Justice Rehnquist, the charge is unfair. He just thinks along their lines.< it's a mistake to think in such individualistic te

Re: : Oxymoron of the Day (was Expertise)

2002-07-29 Thread Shane Mage
> ...incompetent ones[experts]

agricultural degradation

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: agricultural degradation http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-pyle29jul29.story?null COMMENTARY Grim Reaping The industrialization of agriculture is killing the land By GEORGE B. PYLE July 29 2002 Even when city folks notice the dwindling population of rural ar

Question on US local government revenues

2002-07-29 Thread Bill Burgess
I've scanned the footnotes and definitions for data for US local government finances, but can't figure out: Do state and the federal govt. pay property taxes to local governments in the US? Or, do they pay a grant in lieu of property taxes (as in Canada), and if so, is it included under prope

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bankruptcy Bill - stalled for the moment

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Thanks Robert for filling us in on the details. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901

Re: Re: Re: Re: Vandana Shiva

2002-07-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Carrol Cox wrote: >Perhaps she (Shiva) simply has wrong ideas. And if the ideas are wrong, >it is best, I should think, to simply critique the ideas rather than >speculate on her conscious or unconscious motives. > >I think it in general a bad idea (allowing for bursts of temper & other >personal

Re: Re: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread ravi
Justin Schwartz wrote: >> >> Speaking of expertise, my computer won't start. It tells me "Non >> System Disk >> or Disk Error. Replace and strike any Key when ready." Not only can't >> I find >> the "any" key (usually the "enter" key will do) but I don't have a >> non-system disk (or any other d

democracy

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: democracy "Psychopaths are therefore found not just in prisons, but in any situation where at some stage it may be helpful to personal progression to be able to ignore or een to utilize the feelings of others. Leaders in business, in government and in any organization may sometimes be p

Re: : Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
everybody knows it retrospectively; the business press during its stage of breathless admiration for Enron did not know it. On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 02:51:57PM +, Justin Schwartz wrote: > > > > >[Ken Lay's] problem wasn't bad advice. The problem of many other people > >was that > >they tru

Re: Re: Bethune or J.Horn? In digest 226

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
I wasn't talking about the author. But the book is about ol' Norman, if I recall. jks >From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [PEN-L:28760] Re: Bethune or J.Horn? In digest 226 >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:51:18 -0700 > >Yes, it wa

Re: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >It's important to remember that "expertise" is not a one-dimensional >variable. The practical and concrete knowledge of nurses and physician's >assistants may be quite different in kind from the more theoretical and >journal-based knowledge of MDs, so we can't say that the latter have "twice >

: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >[Ken Lay's] problem wasn't bad advice. The problem of many other people >was that >they trusted his expertise. > OK, there are crooked experts, as well as as incompetent ones. You are telling me this because you think I don't know it? Or you are reminding other people of this easily forg

Re: Bethune or J.Horn? In digest 226

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Yes, it was. On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 08:36:43AM -0400, Hari Kumar wrote: > ORIGINAL: > i) >A book about Chinese health care, Away with all pests, describes how cleaning >people contributed to Chinese medicine in > dialogue with the doctors ... > ii) I actually have a small statuette of Norman Be

Re: Re: Re: Vandana Shiva

2002-07-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Perhaps she (Shiva) simply has wrong ideas. And if the ideas are wrong, it is best, I should think, to simply critique the ideas rather than speculate on her conscious or unconscious motives. I think it in general a bad idea (allowing for bursts of temper & other personal idiosyncracies) to chara

RE: Re: Re: Re: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28737] Re: Re: Re: Expertise It's important to remember that "expertise" is not a one-dimensional variable. The practical and concrete knowledge of nurses and physician's assistants may be quite different in kind from the more theoretical and journal-based knowledge of MDs, s

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
His problem wasn't bad advice. The problem of many other people was that they trusted his expertise. On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 02:26:06PM +, Justin Schwartz wrote: > > > > > >Of course, there is expertise, but experts can be very wrong -- especially > >if they go unchallenged. Ask Ken Lay.

Re: Re: Kerala

2002-07-29 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Michael Pollak wrote: > Ulhas, could recommend a good book that describes India's distinctive, and > recently fairly successful, non-export-led development path? And perhaps > as well an intelligent (rather than cookie-cutter ideological) critique of > the limits of same? Michael, I am not sure

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >Of course, there is expertise, but experts can be very wrong -- especially >if they go unchallenged. Ask Ken Lay. > His problem wasn't bad expert advice. It was sheer crookedness. Of course there is bad expert advice. You wanna see my stock portfolio? It's a testament to bad expert advice

Re: RE: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >You don't have much choice, do you? Any more than I have a choice in > >trusting my physician or carpenter because s/he's an expert. I mean, >sorry, > > >guy, that's what expertise means, other people know more than we do about > >something. > >A quick tip to Pen-L members; if your doctor soun

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Drudgery

2002-07-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Davies, Daniel wrote: >No fair. The EF Schumacher crowd are pretty non-judgemental on this sort of >issue. "Appropriate technology" basically just means "technology that can >be maintained and repaired without requiring an already existing industrial >society"; those wind-up radios certainly co

question

2002-07-29 Thread Ellen Frank
Does anyone know of a (preferably on-line) source that compares social programs across countries -- like unemployment, pensions, health care? Ellen Frank

Re: Schweichart's Model

2002-07-29 Thread Natasha Potter
>All his stuff is very analytical. His big book is Against Capitalism (Westview 1996). He has a forthcoming book called Beyond Capitalism that will be shorter and take into account subsequent criticisms. He has a lot of papers discussing aspects of the model, for example, in an a Bertell Ollman co

Re: Re: Vandana Shiva

2002-07-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Why not fight holders of class power and patriarchal power instead? Because Western NGOs and foundations wouldn't like you so much, and fly you around the world to preach the virtues of rootedness. Doug

Re: To Paul re Shiva; in PEN-L digest 226

2002-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
>Hari: >iii) Finally, I use this post to raise a matter re Project's article. To >Project, I would simply say that the whole problem of >the comprador- national-bourgeoisie divergence is ignored by him - >probably for profound ideological reasons. However I >suspect that no sense can be made of

Re: Re: Re: Expertise

2002-07-29 Thread Carl Remick
>From: "Justin Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >As to Carl's remark, why is it unjust to have expert judges (in the legal >system) who are empowered to definitively resolve disputes by entering >enforceable orders? Surely you are not one of those people who believe that >we can get along withou

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