Oh, and back on topic, found this yesterday following up on a builder
featured in the current Bicycling Quarterly:
http://lyonsport.com/web/stems.html
Lyons has come up with a very interesting adjustable quill stem. For
less than $90.00 you get an interesting (if not completely attractive)
nick
> Picking a good line through the slush was almost like riding singletrack. The
> Albatross bars I put on the bike last week worked well in the snow.
Riding in the snow is not that bad. The problem in Chicago is the
streets for the most part are relatively narrow. When you get over 18
" of snow
Oh right. I'm in Portland Oregon where we've gotten snow daily for the
past week. Obviously it's not as much as those in other parts of the
country but it's a lot for us. Because it isn't really a yearly
occurence the city has very limited resources for dealing with it.
The Mutano Raptors worked
When we talk about riding outside, I think it would be a good idea to say what
state we are from. Jim D. Massachusetts
--- On Thu, 12/25/08, Mike wrote:
From: Mike
Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
To: "RBW Owners Bunch"
Date: Thursday, December 25, 200
I'm stuck working today. I noodled into work on my Surly with 700c x
44 WTB Mutano Raptors. They worked well in the slushy icyness. Picking
a good line through the slush was almost like riding singletrack. The
Albatross bars I put on the bike last week worked well in the snow.
As for planing... W
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 4:46 AM, JoelMatthews wrote:
>
> > I recall recently seeing a posting of someone out riding their
> Rambouillet.
> > Amazing!
>
> Perhaps in California, or even the relatively balmy East Coast from
> New York south.
Hey, we have to brave the elements, too! Its 55F out...
" ... Here in the upper Midwest we have been buried with snow heavily
seasoned by very cold temps. Most of the city streets in Chicago are
so packed there is only about 2/3rds of the pavement showing. And
that pavement showing is covered with snow clumps ice, and enough salt
to turn Lake Michiga
> I recall recently seeing a posting of someone out riding their Rambouillet.
> Amazing!
Perhaps in California, or even the relatively balmy East Coast from
New York south.
Here in the upper Midwest we have been buried with snow heavily
seasoned by very cold temps. Most of the city streets in C
Seconded.
I recall recently seeing a posting of someone out riding their Rambouillet.
Amazing!
Shouldn't they be debating the benefits & aesthetics of stem options?
Cheers,
DE
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Mike wrote:
>
> Wow, this thread is almost at 100 responses. Ridiculous. Perhaps w
> I also don't think it's relevant
Looks are relevant when the discussion is Rivendell. Certainly Rivs
have a lot more going for them than their good looks, but looks is
part of the reason they have such a loyal following. Otherwise, a lot
more Riv owners would have bought a Surly.
> they can
Wesley, the problem is with using a threadless stem on the threaded
portion of a steer tube. That would not be a secure connection, but it
would be a good way to start cutting threads into the clamp area of
the stem. If you mean using a threaded fork with the threaded part cut
off, then yes, peopl
With respect to your opinion, I don't think standard threadless stems
are ugly. I also don't think it's relevant.
I prefer threadless stems for the reasons I listed in my first post to
this thread: they make it easier to change stems and handlebars, and
they can be serviced or adjusted with just
Wow, this thread is almost at 100 responses. Ridiculous. Perhaps what
is needed is a separate Google Groups forum 100% dedicated to the
threaded vs threadless debate.
I wonder what color the SH will be?
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Steve,
The appearance wasn't limited to the intrinsic appearance of the stem,
but also to its dimension and angle! I was limited to 135mm, forty
degree stems - uck! BTW, I like the bars level with the saddle.
I appreciated Patrick's call for a long collared stem (a la Bruce
Gordon?); but these w
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 12:03 -0800, Chris Halasz wrote:
> Tried a bike this past year with a threadless stem; it was the largest
> sized, and I could *not* find a production stem that brought the bars
> within a cm of saddle height (cm to zero difference) that wasn't
> stretched too far, or just in
> Back to quill versus Aheadset: I think I'd choose an Aheadset for a new
> custom, with a custom stem so that I would not have to use spacers. Or
> perhaps custom made spacer to avoid the "rings on the neck" look.
Guess I am the opposite.
My first custom is threadless. I ultimately had a custo
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:26 PM, John McMurry wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, here in the Northeast, that doesn't fly.
>
> If you ride in the rain, in the snow, in the mud, or dirt around here
> for several thousand a year, annual maintenance is necessary; unless
> you're willing to dispose of these parts a
On Dec 24, 9:45 am, "PATRICK MOORE" wrote:
> Or, if you're really picky, use an NVO stem system:
>
> > >http://www.nvocomponents.com/
>
> > > -Jim G
>
> Gawd, that's **ugly**!!
He he! I would think the anodizing would wear off the, um, vertical
part there!
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> > http://www.nvocomponents.com/
> >
> > -Jim G
>
Gawd, that's **ugly**!!
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Quoting Atlantean :
> One thing that has not been mentioned is the fact that the typical Riv
> has a tall head tube, which lends itself well to a threadless fork.
> Check out the new 64cm Kogswell, for example:
>
> http://www.kogswell.com/siteBLOGGER.php
>
> I removed an Albatross bar from my Atl
Quoting PATRICK MOORE :
> http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/
>
> Gawd, that's even *pretty"!
It certainly is. And, like every other attractive threadless stem
I've ever seen, it lacks the one major advantage commonly associated
with threadless stems,
on 12/23/08 5:18 PM, Atlantean at softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote:
> So is this some kind of legislative process whereby we determine what
> kind of steer tube is right and proper for all, which then becomes the
> law of the land? Have I missed something? I thought I was joining a
> dis
That VO stem isn't half bad. As a rider that can never make up his
mind about bar setups the removable faceplate does offer a lot. But I
agree the selection of good looking threadless stems is fairly poor.
I've got a half tig, half lugged one from RBW like the one Jim linked
to. It gets a lot of
On Dec 23, 6:50 pm, "PATRICK MOORE" wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, John McMurry wrote:
>
> > How's your quill stem look when you pull it out every year for
> > greasing?
>
> > [snippo]
>
> > And if you don't pull it out every year? Good luck getting it out (if
> > you rode it at all
>
> All you need do to remedy (2) above is to not chop the steerer down
> all the way, leaving a little space both above and below the stem for
> spacers. Or, if you're really picky, use an NVO stem system:
> http://www.nvocomponents.com/
>
> -Jim G
>
Their motion graphic gi
So is this some kind of legislative process whereby we determine what
kind of steer tube is right and proper for all, which then becomes the
law of the land? Have I missed something? I thought I was joining a
discussion of possible ways to get a threadless fork on a Rivendell or
similar bike. Is t
On Dec 23, 12:49 pm, palin...@his.com wrote:
> Quoting jim g :
>
> > This one's certainly not ugly...
>
> >http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529...
>
> No, not hardly! What is that luscious thing, anyway?
Custom Toei. Not mine, unfortunately.
-Jim G
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On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, John McMurry wrote:
>
>
>
> How's your quill stem look when you pull it out every year for
> greasing?
>
> [snippo]
>
> And if you don't pull it out every year? Good luck getting it out (if
> you rode it at all that year).
Huh? ***HUH* I've pulled quills
http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/
Gawd, that's even *pretty"!
IIRC, my brother had an old tandem frameset from the 1930s with a clamp on
stem rather like the pinch bolt system used on tricycles when I was a child.
Not elegant, but obviously not new, either.
No!!! I don't want steerer sticking up above my stem!!! Abominable! Won't do
it!!!
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:00 PM, jim g wrote:
>
>
> All you need do to remedy (2) above is to not chop the steerer down
> all the way, leaving a little space both above and below the stem for
> spacers. Or, if y
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:41 PM, jim g wrote:
>
> On Dec 23, 12:15 pm, "David Faller" wrote:
>> Exactly! Talk about drinking the Kool Aid; the consumers all bought into
>> the "differences as improvements", when, in fact, the differences are only
>> differences. Most threadless stems are jus
sort of thing.
>
> > > Really, the 1" threaded setup is nearly as ubiquitous to Rivendell as
> > > lugs--there are plenty plenty of bikes out there to choose from if the
> > > quill stem's a deal breaker for you.
>
> > > -Original Message-
> &g
lenty of bikes out there to choose from if the
> > quill stem's a deal breaker for you.
>
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Invisible
> > Sent: Tuesday, Decemb
Can't access his site right now (some miserable weather in Wisconsin,
maybe it knocked down a power line) but it looks like something from
Jonnycycles.
I have a custom Jonnycycle threadless stem on my threadless fork bike.
(I went with brushed nickel rather than the bright chrome). It is
beautif
On Dec 23, 3:15 pm, "David Faller" wrote:
> Exactly! Talk about drinking the Kool Aid; the consumers all bought into the
> "differences as improvements", when, in fact, the differences are only
> differences. > Most threadless stems are just ugly. I suppose some are a
> tad lighter, but thi
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Quoting jim g :
> This one's certainly not ugly...
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/
No, not hardly! What is that luscious thing, anyway?
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> This one's certainly not ugly...
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/
No, not hardly! What is that luscious thing, anyway?
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:14 PM
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> Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
>
> Unless I'm missing something, t
On Dec 23, 12:15 pm, "David Faller" wrote:
> Exactly! Talk about drinking the Kool Aid; the consumers all bought into the
> "differences as improvements", when, in fact, the differences are only
> differences. Most threadless stems are just ugly. I suppose some are a tad
> lighter, but thi
the quill
stem's a deal breaker for you.
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From: Chris Halasz
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:03 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Tried a bike this past year with a threadless stem; it was the largest
sized, and I could *not* find a production stem that broug
On Dec 23, 11:53 am, Mike wrote:
> It seems to me that if you want a bike with a threadless headset that
> you might want to go with something other than a Rivendell. Unless you
> get a Legolas. There are tons of custom frame builders willing to make
> lugged frames with threadless headsets. And
ners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Atlantean
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02 AM
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
>
> > From what I have seen,
Tried a bike this past year with a threadless stem; it was the largest
sized, and I could *not* find a production stem that brought the bars
within a cm of saddle height (cm to zero difference) that wasn't
stretched too far, or just incredibly ugly. Even then, I couldn't get
it to work. Maybe if t
It seems to me that if you want a bike with a threadless headset that
you might want to go with something other than a Rivendell. Unless you
get a Legolas. There are tons of custom frame builders willing to make
lugged frames with threadless headsets. And these with custom stems
look really nice.
> All you need do to remedy (2) above is to not chop the steerer down
> all the way, leaving a little space both above and below the stem for
> spacers. Or, if you're really picky, use an NVO stem
> system:http://www.nvocomponents.com/
But then you either have ugly steerer tube protuding atop t
On Dec 23, 11:25 am, "PATRICK MOORE" wrote:
> I've used, and adjusted, exactly one threadless stem in all my years of
> riding, and (1) I was hugely impressed with how easy it is to adjust; not
> only easy, but simple! But (2) I was also very disconcerted (and I realize
> that this is a purely pe
I've used, and adjusted, exactly one threadless stem in all my years of
riding, and (1) I was hugely impressed with how easy it is to adjust; not
only easy, but simple! But (2) I was also very disconcerted (and I realize
that this is a purely personal reaction) when I couldn't easily fine tune
the
Quoting George Schick :
>
> Now, this is not to imply that a similar thing couldn't happen to a
> threaded set up, but they're usually things you have to look for ahead
> of time anyway - are the top and bottom edges of head tube straight
> and parallel, is the crown race evenly seated, is the cr
Like Jim, I'd take that bet as well. :-) I'm always on the active
lookout for Legolas in the wild, and to date have only seen them as CX
race bikes or road-ish/brevet bikes.
So how much were you considering waging? Perhaps a slice of pumpkin
pie, washed down with a pint?
Gino
On Tue, Dec 23
separately? Or are
> > > > they "oversized" as well as threadless?
>
> > > > Is this question any less sensible than the whole 650b industry? Or
> > > > anything else we obsess about around here? I don't think so. Surely
> > > > it's more
on 12/23/08 8:20 AM, Atlantean at softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I understand why a lot of cyclists want to hang on to forged aluminum
> stems for aesthetic reasons. But like lugs, pneumatic tires,
> cotterless cranks, aluminum rims and dozens of other things, they were
> introdu
t's more productive than yet another discussion of trail.
>
> > > On Dec 23, 7:39 am, "Frederick, Steve"
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Perhaps a bit off the wall, but couldn't you buy a threaded fork with a
> > > > too long
oo long steerer and cut the threaded bit off?
>
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Atlantean
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02 AM
> > >
7:39 am, "Frederick, Steve"
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Perhaps a bit off the wall, but couldn't you buy a threaded fork with a too
> > long steerer and cut the threaded bit off?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.c
> Even more sensible, IMO, would be to decide to get along with the fork
> that came with the bike, or if a threaded fork is a show-stopper, to
> get a different frame, one with a threadless fork. There are plenty
> enough of them.
I am on your side on this. As long as Nitto is making its wonde
legroups.com]on Behalf Of Atlantean
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
>
> From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
> are pretty scarce. I have one bike in par
Quoting JoelMatthews :
>
>> Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the
>> same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be
>> just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in. That way, you have the
>> dimension of fork blades that th
02 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
>From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to
switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suita
> Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the
> same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be
> just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in. That way, you have the
> dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for.
E
Rivendell approved:
http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/handlebars_stems_and_tape?page=all#product=16-148
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Atlantean <
softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
> are pretty scarce. I have o
>From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to
switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New
uncut one inch threadless steel forks tend to be generic and the
tubing is usually not specif
on 12/22/08 7:19 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to:
>
>>> lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to
>>> know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a
>>> 1" thr
on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to:
>> lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to
>> know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a
>> 1" threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer.
with:
> Grant could pro
> A lesser quibble is that a clamping stem (as in threadless-type stems)
> seems like a better design than the expanding wedge bolt on a threaded-
> type stem.
Arguably threadless is somewhat stronger - though I have read
convincing arguments against this. In any event, threaded is plenty
strong
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 16:06 -0800, Invisible wrote:
> I know that threaded headsets are reliable, of course. But headsets
> use bearings and as such will occasionally require service. I'd prefer
> to have a part that I can disassemble (if necessary) on tour with just
> a 5mm Allen wrench, instead
I know that threaded headsets are reliable, of course. But headsets
use bearings and as such will occasionally require service. I'd prefer
to have a part that I can disassemble (if necessary) on tour with just
a 5mm Allen wrench, instead of a couple of tools (32/35mm cone
wrenches) that have no ot
I read on the internet that now Rivendell is now making their new bikes out
of bricks and 2X4s...
The nicer ones use cement blocks, too.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:16 -0800, Invisible wrote:
> > What's the uncut steer-tube length on the
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:16 -0800, Invisible wrote:
> What's the uncut steer-tube length on the Sam Hillborne fork? The
> frame is wonderful, but I'm leery of threaded headsets and would want
> to go threadless if I owned one.
Leery? What's there to be leery about? They're as reliable and
depen
What's the uncut steer-tube length on the Sam Hillborne fork? The
frame is wonderful, but I'm leery of threaded headsets and would want
to go threadless if I owned one.
Follow-ups: are frames even available with uncut forks? What about the
Atlantis and AHH?
-Wesley
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So a "shallow" seat tube angle is one that's less straight up and
down? 71.5 is more relaxed and laid back? And so you might actually
scoot your saddle forward on this bike to get the same fit as on
another bike?
--mike
On Dec 21, 10:38 pm, Big Paulie
Great post. Thanks for all that, Grant.
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The top tubes "read" long, but the length is sucked up by shallow seat
tube angles and high bars. In fact, they "ride" normal, maybe even on
the short side of normal.
Some things to think about:
• MOST riders shove the saddle all the way back on the rails. Half of
those wish they could shove it
I'm starting to think that the slack seat angle is the key to how
Grant is fitting a wider range of riders to each size. Most of us
riding Brooks saddles wind up with them all the way back. On the Sam
Hillborne that might no longer be true. On a given size, the shorter
riders in the range would
Grant posted some more info on sizing--http://www.rivbike.com//
#product=50-700
On Dec 21, 8:05 pm, "Gino Zahnd" wrote:
> Grant and I both ride 58/9's, and on these slopers, like the Bombadil, we
> both ride a 52. Here's what he wrote on the Bomba page:
>
> "48cm (for 650B wheels). For PBH of
Grant and I both ride 58/9's, and on these slopers, like the Bombadil, we
both ride a 52. Here's what he wrote on the Bomba page:
"48cm (for 650B wheels). For PBH of about 77 to 83cm; Saddle height 67 to
73.
52cm (for 650B wheels) For PBH of about 81 to 87cm; Saddle height 71 to 77.
56cm (for 65
Yeah ... I was thinkin' the same thing; unless the idea is to pick a
size smaller than one would normally select, therefore getting the
shorter TT in the process. I tried to make sense of both the geometry
charts plus Grant's narrative on the frame and it almost looks like
that's what he's sugges
I noticed the same thing. I'd ride a 60cm which has a TT of 62. That's
long. Even with the bars level with the saddle I'd have use a 9cm
stem. But then again, maybe not. I could be missing something here. I
wouldn't push the saddle forward to "shorten" the TT.
--mike
On Dec 21, 5:38 pm, "Bill M.
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