Sorry I don't have time just now to make an ABC. It's in the Caledonian Pocket Companion. I only knew because he also put that reel in his Thistle Sonata.
- Kate D.
We'll see tomorrow! Nevertheless, I didn't know about this tune, Could you post the abc for it, please?
Do they play James Oswald's
For those of you nearby/interested there will be a session on Brechin at the Caledonian Hotel on the fourth of June (next Friday) at around 20.00.
Do they play James Oswald's "Brechin Reel"?
- Kate D.
The puzzle remains, however. Surenne's characterisation of the
foursome, at
least according to the evidence collected by the Fletts, seems to be
found
only in the anarchic choices of the Kilberry piper.
The arrangement in the books seems to point to a well-founded practice
on
the dance floor, b
There is a clue in the Introduction to J.T. Surenne's "The
Dance Music of Scotland" (Edinburgh 1852):
... as they are generally danced; that is to
say, Reel, Strathspey, Reel".
Stuart Eydmann
Very cool! I don't remember reading anything else that reveals that,
and I've read a lot about dancing.
have the dance moving from strathspey to reel, but not back to
strathspey
again.
I didn't think that the layout necessarily meant that they went back to
strathspeys after reels in a dance. I just thought it was like in Cape
Breton, where you wouldn't dream of playing a strathspey without a reel
I have a further question: these tunebooks seem to be inconsistent in
noting which tunes were composed by Petrie and which were from other
sources (in the first tunebook there's no authorship info so I assumed
most tunes were Petrie's own, however I found several that I know to be
traditional. In
I have a facsimile of Robert Petrie's tune books (thanks to Jan
Tappan), which I think have never been reprinted,
Llanerch Press reprinted them, they're still available and not very
expensive.
Llanerch Press reprinted George Petrie. That's an Irish collection.
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Please eliminate the bass line, and, to the extent
that you are willing to do the work, use "usual" keys:
d, g, c, a or f. I await the result.
Some researchers do look at the bass lines, although those people will
want to see the original anyway. Even if not to play, the bass line
tells you what
Hi folks,
I've been attempting to learn to play the whistle lately (can old dogs
learn new tricks?). I'm wondering about the ornamentation. I can see
that pipe-playing whistle players naturally approach ornamentation a
certain way, which is quite different from what my fiddle-playing
instincts
It's not in Gore because it's a pipe tune. Where have you read
about "The High Reel"? There seems little doubt on the evidence:
X:609
T:Sandy Duff
B:Scots Guards, Standard Settings
Thanks Nigel! That's so often the explanation when I can't find a tune
in Gore. I don't have very many pipe books,
The "High Reel"? Nice tune which I haven't played for maybe 7 years
:-) Are you starting to play more Irish tunes Kate?
I'm not playing much of anything, but I'm starting to think about what
I would like to play when I get going again.
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I've now read in two places that the Irish tune "The High Reel" is
descended from a Scottish tune by the name of "Sandy Duff." However,
neither "Sandy Duff" nor "Alexander Duff" is listed in Charlie Gore's
index and I haven't been able to locate any reference to the tune in
a Scottish collecti
Regarding the jota, a lot has been written about both the dance and the
tune, it is played in most of Spain, though nowadays is strongly
associated
with Aragon, and it is normally written (with exceptions) in 3/8
I danced the jota for a season in an international folk dance troupe
many years ago.
I think his observations reflect the physical characteristics of the
fiddle.
Oh yes, I am such a fiddlehead that I forgot to say that. I often
recognize the key a fiddle is playing in from the character of the tone
(although possibly I'm subconsciously noticing which strings are open
as well)
On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 04:51 PM, Nigel Gatherer wrote:
Somewhere I saved James Scott Skinner's list of colours which he
assigned the various keys on the fiddle. Where did I put it?
I don't know about colours, but here's how he characterized the keys in
"A Guide to Bowing":
C major Bold,
I was part of the small but ecstatic audience yesterday- with Jack, Matt and
Stuart from here. First time I've heard David play live, and the venue was
ideal- a tiny wee church off the main street. Apart from a bit of traffic
noise, the acoustic was perfect. Wonderful music.
Derek
I spoke to Dav
Oh wow, so he finally gave into temptation eh? I knew that would
eventually happen when he started playing "Purple Haze" on the
fiddle in front of us :-)
Well, that was fairly atypical. Frith and Zappa and the Finnish
tunes were David McGuiness' idea, and the Hungarian tunes are due to
my say
latter CD goes a bit wild, with Frith and Zappa compositions
alongside Bremner, Christie, and MacGibbon...
Don't worry too much -- they're not mixed -- just on the same CD! It
makes sense, really : - )
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> Ferintosh will also be
in Penicuik, Biggar, and Stirling on this trip.
Dates?
from http://www.dungreenmusic.com/Greenberg/Greenberg.html#schedule :
Sept 12 (Fri) 7:30 pm concert. Penicuik Arts Centre.
Sept 13 (Sat) 2 pm workshops: cello, fiddle, clarsach. The Corn
Exchange Theatre, Biggar.
Sep
Just a note to say that Ferintosh (Dave Greenberg, Abby Newton and Kim
Robertson) will give an informal and FREE performance in St Peter's Church,
Linlithgow this Sunday 15th September as part of Doors Open Day/Linlithgow
Folk Festival.
Sunday is the 14th, yes? I think it's at 2 pm, although I don
I am listening right now to a sonata by Oswald, "The Virgin's Bower"
which will be on the forthcoming "Ferintosh" CD (David Greenberg,
fiddle - Abby Newton, cello - Kim Robertson, harp). It's the most
"baroque art music" of anything on there, but th
A double bass player looked at the sheet music and played along with
the
tune. He then complained that it was in two sharps but was in E minor.
My
explanation that it was a dorian not an aeolian tune ( I do hope I got
this bit right) was greeted with some derision. OK, if modes do not
mean
anyth
Where is this tune written down Kate?
Oh, it's actually already in the DunGreen Collection, but I'm revising.
I never actually had that particular Five MacDonald's LP in my hands
before yesterday, so I hadn't realized the tune was on any recording by
that name. I had thought maybe it was a ma
Has anyone been hiking in Arrochar? Is there a bridge there? {This is
the title of a tune recorded by the Five MacDonalds, who were fiddlers
from Cape Breton).
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Jack Campin wrote:
he thought that the harmony arose from *successive*
tones in the music - each note harmonizing with its predecessors, and
the sequence of intervals being chosen to make this work, which implies
a preference for melodic intervals wider than a tone.
I don't know very much about ha
interesting to have on the net...
And Niel Gow, who probably wouldn't have a computer yet.
Oh he might have one, but Nathaniel would be the one using it.
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> I think the reason Sandy smiles when he plays it is because he thinking
about Doug MacPhee (the CB piano player) who absolutely abhors the tune.
I'm pretty sure that Sandy will play it at least once whenever he's
> accompanieed by Doug just to jerk Doug's chain.
I've heard a few stories o
T:Squirrel in a Tree
But I've never heard anybody except Sandy MacIntyre actually make fun of
it
Oh I have. I won't name any names, but certain people have referred
to the tune as "Squirrel in the F%*#ing Tree." I believe this is
because it's the kind of tune that one gets tired of hearin
>Did you try "Pop Goes the Weasel"?
Ah .. THAT'S the one!! .. I knew that I had heard one of your classes back
in Guelph playing a tune that would work, but couldn't for the life of me
remember what it was .. the kids will love it .. all I have to do is
convince the parents that it 'might' be a tu
I usually use "Bonnie Tammie Scolla" as an early beginner tune. I
teach it as a song first, then the tune on the fiddle. It isn't Cape
Breton, it's Shetland.
Yes, that's the one I was thinking of. I don't have the music for
it. I thought I would never forget it after hearing it last summer
(
I have a teaching and repetoire-related question ..
I teach both piano at all levels, and violin at the beginner level (Kate D,
my all-time most favourite teacher- yes, you're allowed to laugh - and
cringe - at the latter !! :-) ) The parents of one of my very young, very
beginner fiddle students
it still leaves me puzzled about how musicians fared at
dances there. In the days before electricity were people much quieter than
they are now?
I think this must have been true. At Cape Breton dances today, the
sound systems are so powerful that people shout to each other in
order to have con
Sorry for cross-posting.
Me too! I replied to the Kitchen Ceilidh one but then I remembered
that I think maybe someone had discussed the King of Sweden on the
Scots List before, so:
Does anybody have the notation or abc for a pipe tune 'Coc ard' or
the song An Taillear Mòr. I know that it is u
Toby, your definition of "fusion" must be different than mine; when I think
of fusion I think of groups like The Peatbog Faeries and Shooglenifty, not
Alasdair Fraser! What are you defining his style as a fusion of? -Steve
Gosh, I also would say that Alasdair Fraser plays some sort of fusion
mu
However someone mentioned that
the square sets are not an import from the Scottish Highlands, like the
step dancing is. Rather the square sets were imported from either the
States, England or other parts of Canada, and jigs fit the right meter
for the dance.
Supposedly they evolved from the Lance
While we're talking about reels, and since there are a good
smattering of fiddlers here, I will hazard another question: how
fast are they usually played for dancers? One organization here in
the States advertises the "actual" tempo of reels at 130-140 per
half note/minim. Ignoring the fact tha
Title: Re: [scots-l] lift the bow off the
strings?
I've never heard of a
'straight slur' where you briefly stop then continue in the same
bow direction. It's supposed to sound very staccato. But
it doesn't mention in the book if it is acceptable to lift the bow off
the strings! I don't know if
Nigel Gatherer wrote:
Do you play any reels in D after "Miss Jessie Smith"?
I usually play another strathspey after Miss Jessie Smith -- a faster
one, since Miss Jessie Smith seems to want to go at an unhurried
pace. I don't have a set medley for this tune since it is such a
standard in Cape
Andrew Kuntz wrote:
> I'm looking for a portrait or likeness of Nathaniel Gow...
Nigel Gatherer wrote:
There is one on my website at
http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/perf/fiddlers/nathg.html
That looks to be the head from the portrait in the Glen Collection of
Scottish Dance Music (1891)
I'm looking for a portrait or likeness of Nathaniel Gow
There's one in the Glen Collection. I only have a photocopy of it.
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Can't you mathematically 'correct for' poor cylinder speed control to get an
idea of what speed he was playing at?.
Seems that if you know the info about the apparent pitch and the apparent
tempo, and one makes a few basics assumptions: such as the tune should be
played in the key of ?? and the st
I like the album as a historical document, to hear how Skinner played,
what he played, what speed he played at, and so on.
I have that old vinyl LP also. You can't actually tell at what speed
Skinner played from the LP because, although it may have faithfully
reproduced the cylinders are what
Does anyone have any information about the tune 'The Maids of Arrochar'? I
see it listed on Nigel's ABC site (as a jig, but I've only heard it as a
slow 6/8) as coming from the Gow collection, but does anyone know whether
Gow wrote it? The only people I've heard playing it are Tommy Basker and
t
)
Music of 18th century Edinburgh
with David Greenberg, fiddle
You can hear David McGuinness, director of Concerto Caledonia,
discuss the upcoming collaboration on the BBC Radio Scotland show
"Celtic Connections" (about 15 minutes into the show). There are
also three relevant musica
Hi folks,
There was some interest on the Cape Breton list when someone else
posted about this, so I thought I would mention it here. I will be
teaching an online distance course for the University College of Cape
Breton starting in the fall. It is a credit course which anyone can
take. It
> > Does anyone know if there has been a reprint of this work?
>
>There are two projects to do itOne of them may be a
>grotty-scans-on-the-Internet
>effort
I would take scans of an original over a resetting any day. There's
more that can be read from it than just the tunes. Why trust som
>keep thinking there must be a Scottish equivalent, a song air perhaps,
>which is perfect for the job - but WHAT IS IT?
Taladh Chriosda (Christ Child Lullaby) is pretty simple, yet a nice
tune. Getting beginner fiddle students to do slurs with it was hard
though, and it sounds a bit choppy wit
>I came across the Irish polka below, and what drew me to it was how few
>notes are used in the tune (five in all). I'm trying to find Scottish
>tunes which use as few notes, for use in teaching complete beginners.
>Any suggestions?
I always use Mairi's Wedding in A. Works out well on the fiddle
David brought some CDs back from Scotland, including "Sole Music" by
The Scottish Stepdance Company, which I was interested in of course
because of the stepdancing. One of the tunes on the CD is "The
Battle of Waterloo," a march credited to Donald MacLeod. I have
adored this tune ever since I
>Does anyone know the composers for the following tunes?
>
>Hughie Shortie's (reel)
Johnny Wilmot (Cape Breton)
>Lady Dorothy Stewart (jig)
Lady Dorothea Stewart Murray's Wedding March
Aeneas Rose
>Fr Eugene's Welcome to Cape North (2/4 march)
Mike MacDougall (Cape Breton)
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>Re Stuart Eydmann's recent e-mail on the subject:
>
>I am very interested in the work you refer to which was done by Dr.
>Peter Cooke..." to explain the internal rhythmic variation in
>traditional players which gives the music its particular lift, lit and
>drive." Is it available?
Alexan
>This reminds me of another probably dumb question I have: Is a snap
>considered an optional ornament? What I mean is, can you substitute it for
>2 eighths or for a dotted 8th-16 combination for effect, or is it only
>played when written?
You might substitute cuts/birls/triplets for a snap made
>I'm not having much luck getting a reply these days - is anybody out
>there? However, I'll try again. Does anyone know what this tune is?
No idea. Do you have some project going with these tunes you have been
asking about?
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itnesses to the fact that you've started this
tradition.
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ally there are a bunch of tunes I've
forgotten on the old lists!
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Does anyone know the dates for Pipe Major William Ross? (If there has been
more than one, I mean the one with the collection who composed a bunch of
tunes.) Is it correct to say he was 19th-century, or did he overlap with
another century?
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tunes are marked "as
danced by..." and "as performed by..." I just imagined that the tunes were
for character and hornpipe dances on the stage. The tunes don't seem very
interesting.
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aclean originally wrote.
...
>Charles Maclean, Collection of Favourite Scots Tunes, pub. Neil Stewart,
>c.1770
Oh gosh, how could I forget that it was in MacLean? Lots of great stuff
there. I went to Paul Cranford's site (that's what you mean by Lighthouse
Publication
similar to what is in the Gesto Collection. Sorry to be so vague.
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nge frae Dunbar". I used to
>teach this song to my guitar group at primary school.
>
>Philip
It's a great tune, for fiddle too.
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ury
I've never seen an Irish source quoted that was earlier than Gow, so I
think it's Nat's tune.
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y as long as the
musicians make the total amount of music come out okay. At the few contra
dances I've been to where Cape Breton fiddlers were playing, the caller has
suggested playing a lot of jigs, since they're, almost without exception,
standard length.
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also a lot of older ones which seem to be staying around as part of the
tradition.
- Kate D.
PS I just noticed that Tom Anderson's "Pottinger's Reel" and Angus
Fitchet's "Glasgow Caledonian Strathspey & Reel Society" are in Jerry
Holland's 2nd Collect
d (even though I
have a hard enough time keeping up here). Thanks for the tip about the
Nineties Collection, Nigel. I will have to get hold of one.
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y" (if you like to do that
Cape Breton thing of playing tunes together which start similarly). "Mrs.
Crawford's" is almost the same as "Forneth House" which Robert Petrie
claimed as his own composition. Maybe Nathaniel Gow reset it (it's a bit
better as &q
that help?
It's in Kerr's Thistle Collection, collected and arranged by James Hunter.
Great tune! I always wondered who D. Muir was.
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he Harsh February (Phil Cunningham)
>The Setting Sun (Ian Hardie)
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>I've been looking for a 6/8 tune for beginners (all suggestions
>welcomed)
Stan Chapman has been teaching all his beginners "John Allan's Jig" by Dan
Hugh MacEachern for years. I tried it on a class I taught and found it
pretty good for the purpose also.
- Kate
copied
tunes out of Joseph Lowe's collection for The Skye Collection, but Lowe
didn't givew any composer information about George IV.
(Sometimes I wonder what world I am living in where I can get excited about
such a ridiculous detail! It's just that it's such a chestnut of a t
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of the "Scots Guards, Standard Settings of Pipe Music." This tune was a
favourite of the late King George VI and was played at his funeral, also at
the late President John F. Kennedy's funeral."
I can send you the translation if you want it Cynthia.
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Woman of Mabou" (Cape
Breton) was the Wexford tune, but now I know there's more to it!
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wondering
if it is also played a lot in Scotland.
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it likely that a tune of his
would be in Gow. On the other hand, I never looked into it before.
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cs etc. and might that be why
I like it better? I think I also like it because I amplify it right on my
fiddle bridge so it seems like my own instrument making the sound. At a
session, when I can't hear a pitch fork, I just tune to what seems to be
the average A.
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e been
>quoting.
Sorry, I admit ignorance. It sure sounded to me like Alexander was placing
more value on a scientific approach than on any (ethno)musicological
approach though.
In closing, Alexander, "I agree wit'chu but y're wrong!" [as one of Howie
MacDonald's charact
l" C happens in those tunes like the King tunes, which are
in A mixolydian/dorian, in which case the example is analogous to what I
described above. Alexander, do you often observe a low C# in A major or
were you just going by Perlman's description?
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s about
it. The problem is that sometimes this turns into intolerance of the
opinions and practices of others.
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matter of opinion.
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#x27;s interesting. I haven't listened
for a long time, but I think it was the timing which was not at all what I
am used to.
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>I think I know this under a different title, but can't place it. Does
>anyone recognise it at all?
>
>T:Highlander's Jig
Get out your DunGreen Collection (I know you have one, Nigel) and go to
page 107!
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ng of the tune, but I have not
seen it in a book anywhere. In one of the Cranford Publication books the
title is "The Thistle."
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own exploration of
>the great collections.
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That was a GREAT post and I will keep it handy at all times!
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;.
That's interesting. I had always just assumed that the title referred to
the Rocking Step of the Highland Fling.
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ects: the "Shetland" guitar stuff is complicated harmonies
>but simple rhythms. Where's the resemblance?
Bass runs?
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; isn't shown with cuts
in the Athole Collection, but I heard it that way in Cape Breton -- first
quarter note of the second measure.
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le of notes). BTW every once in a
while you get Scottish ornaments resembling rolls because of the way a
melody happens to go plus the addition of a grace note to fill it out.
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Posted t
r of Scottish fiddlers it is hard to say what
their influences have been anyway. They can have classical or Irish
habits. I think maybe you have to have lived in Scotland for a while to
know what's really traditional there -- or have a lot more recorded
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Rankin's," so it would be interesting to take a survey of how fiddlers bow
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>>I think for The Sailor's Wife Em is a more usual key than Dm.
>
>Not here it isn't - people play it in D minor or not at all (despite
>it being in print in E minor for well over a century).
I have only heard it played in D minor as well.
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some evidense. We are big Oswald fans
here! Canadian David Greenberg (my husband) played and recorded many of
Oswald's pieces with Puirt a Baroque. There is one on "Bach Meets Cape
Breton," two of the "Seasons" airs on "Kinloch's Fantasy," and three piec
which is excellent.
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ly only a few), the bar
lines aren't all lined up the way somebody claimed they were.
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S.D.S. next
to it (who or what is S.D.S.?).
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up to this.. really!! :-)
>
>Wendy
Could make a good quote for publicity, eh?!
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Kate Dunlay & David Greenberg
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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