Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-08 Thread Toby Murray
This tool has helped me to spot a threat to life as we know it! Behold, the zombies are upon us! http://i.imgur.com/rmmQD.jpg And apparently they are hanging out over Haiti. Did I just find patient zero of the cholera outbreak? I'm sure it will re-render shortly but here is the perma link: http:

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread Jo
2011/2/7 Peter Wendorff : > Hi ant. > The tool is great, but it would be even greater to have the specific zoom > level availlable instead of "14 or more". > 14 may be a threshold of useability in many areas, but for other purposes > even 17, 18 or 19 may be the treshold (e.g. mapping of sidewalks,

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread ant
On 07.02.2011 17:36, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi ant. The tool is great, but it would be even greater to have the specific zoom level availlable instead of "14 or more". That seems to be what most people wish to see. I'll work on that. cheers ant ___ t

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi ant. The tool is great, but it would be even greater to have the specific zoom level availlable instead of "14 or more". 14 may be a threshold of useability in many areas, but for other purposes even 17, 18 or 19 may be the treshold (e.g. mapping of sidewalks, mapping of street lanterns ;) (

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:02 AM, ant wrote: > Can you give an example of a zoom 20 region? I'd like to have a look. http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=39.294169460227224&lon=-94.71799114942492&zoom=20 ___ talk mailing list talk@ope

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/7 ant : > Can you give an example of a zoom 20 region? I'd like to have a look. http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=41.8901512469295&lon=12.492339797131855&zoom=20 cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/7 Toby Murray : > Well the jump from 13 to 14 is a pretty big milestone for aerial > imagery. You go from rough blobs to distinguishable features. So that > does make sense. > > But yeah, all of the US is just going to be solid green with this > definition. Maybe a red/yellow/green scheme? R

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread ant
On 07.02.2011 16:48, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Yes, I agree that more colours could clarify this. Currently, all areas in Italy seem to be green, where some of the ones I checked offer resolutions up to zoom 17 (not quite the very best imagery imaginable) and others up to 20 (absolutely sufficie

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread Toby Murray
Well the jump from 13 to 14 is a pretty big milestone for aerial imagery. You go from rough blobs to distinguishable features. So that does make sense. But yeah, all of the US is just going to be solid green with this definition. Maybe a red/yellow/green scheme? Red means http://lists.openstreetma

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/7 ant : >> What is your definition of "hires"? > the definition of "hires" used in this application is "imagery is available > at zoom level 14 or more". If you compare coverage areas linked to on the > wiki page, you'll see that almost all of them correspond to that definition. > > I'm awar

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread ant
Hi Toby, On 07.02.2011 16:21, Toby Murray wrote: What is your definition of "hires"? Zooming in on my city shows green where I would consider the imagery to be decent but nothing spectacular. (I think it is mostly just USGS ~1m imagery reused by Bing) the definition of "hires" used in this app

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread Toby Murray
What is your definition of "hires"? Zooming in on my city shows green where I would consider the imagery to be decent but nothing spectacular. (I think it is mostly just USGS ~1m imagery reused by Bing) Nice bit of code though. Toby On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 8:41 AM, ant wrote: > Hi, > > I have n

[OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread ant
Hi, I have noticed mappers make various attempts to map coverage of Bing high resolution imagery. Some drawed areas around the imagery and stuffed them into relations, others created xml files etc. etc. (see the wiki page [1]) I thought that a world coverage map wasn't feasible with those meth

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing as Potlach layer in view mode?

2011-01-19 Thread valent.turko...@gmail.com
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: > Don't have the time to check right now but I think this was not permitted > with the license provided. > Greets, > Floris Oh, too bad. That would be nice addition to OSM home page. ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing as Potlach layer in view mode?

2011-01-18 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Don't have the time to check right now but I think this was not permitted with the license provided. Greets, Floris On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Claudius wrote: > I just contacted the admin of http://sautter.com/map/ to add Bing as Base > layer there. I think this would be your service. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing as Potlach layer in view mode?

2011-01-18 Thread Claudius
I just contacted the admin of http://sautter.com/map/ to add Bing as Base layer there. I think this would be your service. Claudius Am 18.01.2011 11:53, valent.turko...@gmail.com: Replace potlach with mapnik in previous email ;) Lapsus calami. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:44 AM, valent.turko...

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing as Potlach layer in view mode?

2011-01-18 Thread valent.turko...@gmail.com
Replace potlach with mapnik in previous email ;) Lapsus calami. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:44 AM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > are there any plans to add Bing satellite imagery as additional > Potlach layer in view (not edit) mode? > > This could be nice for quick review and checking

[OSM-talk] Bing as Potlach layer in view mode?

2011-01-18 Thread valent.turko...@gmail.com
Hi, are there any plans to add Bing satellite imagery as additional Potlach layer in view (not edit) mode? This could be nice for quick review and checking if there are any errors by switching between OSM and Bing layer. Cheers, Valent. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt blog:

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-27 Thread Dermot McNally
On 24 December 2010 02:10, Steve Bennett wrote: > That service looks very useful if it were ever implemented. I'd note > that it probably needs to know about the date of the imagery too. > Can't say I'm thrilled about the idea of storing the offset data in > the main OSM db though. The service i

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:23 AM, wrote: > Would application of notions described in > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/True_Offset_Process (i.e. recording of > offsets in a formal manner) be practical and useful here?  I have not > reviewed all messages in this thread, so I do not know if th

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-23 Thread dies38061
s is misplaced (Jaak Laineste) > >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:26:33 +0200 >From: Jaak Laineste >To: OSM >Subject: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It is good news that Bing aerials

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:18 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > I took your description of what you were doing at face value.  Being a > borderline-Asperger's type, I am sometimes a bit too literal-minded. Oh I see. That makes sense - will bear in mind for the future. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-22 Thread John F. Eldredge
I took your description of what you were doing at face value. Being a borderline-Asperger's type, I am sometimes a bit too literal-minded. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced >From :mailto:stevag...@gmail.com Date :Wed Dec 22 20:02:12 America

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:19 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > If you can map a street in just five seconds, using just three clicks and a > keypress, this implies that you are mapping just the end points, with just a > calculated line between them.  Very few streets in the world are absolutely >

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-22 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:46:36 + Craig Wallace wrote: > On 22/12/2010 09:02, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > > I would also point out that in the time of the Cold War the USSR > > completely mapped the UK from orthophotos, with a little ground > > work by the spy network. > > http://www.dailymail.co

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-22 Thread Craig Wallace
On 22/12/2010 09:02, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: I would also point out that in the time of the Cold War the USSR completely mapped the UK from orthophotos, with a little ground work by the spy network. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209137/The-Soviet-road-map-shows-USSR-planned-invade-Manch

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-22 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:27:08 +0100 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > A very good map > can't be done just from orthophotos. it is quite a legitimate way of producing maps for remote areas, and a quick web search for orthocadastral map will lead you to scholarly articles on the use. My problem is th

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-21 Thread John F. Eldredge
x27;t bothering to join streets at intersections, so none of the streets you map will be routable. Plus, from what you say, you aren't creating any tags on the roads you map. Most of the rest of us try to do a better job of mapping than that. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:27 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > yes, in you example you would have 100 wrong streets. I'm not > believing your numbers btw.: I doubt that you can only visit and map > 10 streets with the effort you have to put 1000 streets from > orthofotos (1%). Even if this ratio wa

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-21 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/12/19 Steve Bennett : > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:04 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> This discussion is simply about the quality level: are you satisfied >> with probable information derived from an aerial photo depicting the >> situation some years ago, or do you want to insert only inf

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Of course. You can see details on signs and on walls on aerial imagery. *Doh!* that was supposed to have been "You *can't* see details..." ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http:/

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread john whelan
rom visiting the > site in person that you wouldn't be able to detect from an aerial view, plus > you would be able to tell if the road had been modified since the aerial > photo had been taken. > > ---Original Email------- > Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is mis

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
erial > photo had been taken. > > ---Original Email--- > Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced > From  :mailto:sea...@gmail.com > Date  :Sun Dec 19 18:00:21 America/Chicago 2010 > > > For *that* particular imagery, yes. > > My point is that blindly saying that

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread john
[OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced From :mailto:sea...@gmail.com Date :Sun Dec 19 18:00:21 America/Chicago 2010 For *that* particular imagery, yes. My point is that blindly saying that you shouldn't trace from imagery if you haven't visited the place is not a hard rule. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
; So, you are saying that you feel OpenStreetMap should reflect the status of > the road when the aerial photo was made, rather than the current status? > > ---Original Email------- > Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced > From  :mailto:sea...@gmail.com > Date  :Sun

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:04 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > This discussion is simply about the quality level: are you satisfied > with probable information derived from an aerial photo depicting the > situation some years ago, or do you want to insert only information > you verified on the gro

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread John F. Eldredge
Yes, but seav80 was saying that he or she prefers data made from the aerial view (up to 3 months old, and without some details observable only from the ground) to data recorded by someone going now to the location on the ground. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:19:03 + "John F. Eldredge" wrote: > So, you are saying that you feel OpenStreetMap should reflect the > status of the road when the aerial photo was made, rather than the > current status? The road in question in the original post was on nearmap imagery which is updat

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread John F. Eldredge
So, you are saying that you feel OpenStreetMap should reflect the status of the road when the aerial photo was made, rather than the current status? ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced From :mailto:sea...@gmail.com Date :Sun Dec 19 10:17:51 America

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:04 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/12/15 Steve Bennett : >> I'm sorry, but no. This is not common practice, nor is it desirable. >> Could we please not give advice which only reflects personal >> preferences? >> >> Fwiw, highway=road is for when you know *nothing* a

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/12/15 Steve Bennett : > I'm sorry, but no. This is not common practice, nor is it desirable. > Could we please not give advice which only reflects personal > preferences? > > Fwiw, highway=road is for when you know *nothing* about a road. Can > you tell me, hand on heart, that you would not ta

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-16 Thread Dave F.
On 15/12/2010 11:16, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Please tag roads derived from aerial imagery as highway=road No real need. From Bing you can deduce whether it's residential or service etc. Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org htt

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery analyzer - date range (Dec/2000-Jun/2006)

2010-12-15 Thread dies38061
No, the range does not appear to get smaller when you zoom in. --ceyockey -Original Message- >From: Peter Körner >Sent: Dec 15, 2010 5:43 AM > >This information is sent from Bing as-is, it's only displayed by the >analyzer, not interpreted. Does the range get smaller when you zoom in? >

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-15 Thread Maarten Deen
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:45:56 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > Fwiw, highway=road is for when you know *nothing* about a road. Can > you tell me, hand on heart, that you would not tag this road: > > http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-38.107325,145.15275&z=20&t=k&nmd=20101020 > > as highway=residential, ma

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > +1, and you can't see restrictions, surface quality and material, > oneways, etc. on them. That's why there is highway=road. You should > avoid to tag highway=specific-highway-class if you don't know the > location from being on the gr

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-15 Thread Kev js1982
Quite a lot of car parks and other roads have one way arrows visible on the bing imagry, often the position of speedlimits are available too, although this might just be a uk only tendancy. Certainly helps in completing places I have visited without a gps and pen/paper. Then again I have only bee

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/12/9 Ulf Lamping : > What the whole discussion here seems to be missing: You can't read street > names from bing (or Yahoo) imagery. +1, and you can't see restrictions, surface quality and material, oneways, etc. on them. That's why there is highway=road. You should avoid to tag highway=spec

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery analyzer - date range (Dec/2000-Jun/2006)

2010-12-15 Thread Peter Körner
Am 15.12.2010 02:29, schrieb dies38...@mypacks.net: I'm looking at imagery over Cali, Colombia and see a date displayed as "Dec/2000-Jun/2006". This seems quite a large range; could you explain how we should interpret this date information? Thanks. This information is sent from Bing as-is,

[OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery analyzer - date range (Dec/2000-Jun/2006)

2010-12-14 Thread dies38061
Martijn, I'm looking at imagery over Cali, Colombia and see a date displayed as "Dec/2000-Jun/2006". This seems quite a large range; could you explain how we should interpret this date information? Thanks. ceyockey http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ceyockey > 7. Re: new version of Bi

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 23:34 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > Excellent. Finally a rational argument against tracing in certain > situations. We could even begin to formulate policy: > > "Tracing imagery in areas where there are active local mappers using > ground survey methods can kill enthusiasm an

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 09.12.2010 12:42, schrieb Richard Fairhurst: Ulf Lamping wrote: Am 09.12.2010 02:49, schrieb Kenneth Gonsalves: what I object to is mapping a place one has no intention of visiting Fine, seems you don't like the wiki principle ... I think you're getting confused with the Wikipedia Princi

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Steve, On 12/09/10 13:34, Steve Bennett wrote: Excellent. Finally a rational argument against tracing in certain situations. We could even begin to formulate policy: You say "policy" which, for me, is acceptable only for very few fields in OSM and certainly not for how and what someone maps;

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread davespod
Joseph Reeves wrote: > Sorry, but I find this to be a really negative attitude; there's loads > of people that want to draw a line on the map for the first time, but > less who want to tidy existing streets, or "just" add POIs. What would > be wrong, for example, with collecting the first GPS tra

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Steve Bennett wrote: > Speaking for myself, I actually really enjoy aerial tracing. Asking me > not to do it would be endangering *my* enthusiasm :) I enjoy going > outside as well, but I tend to find going out of my way to collect GPS > traces gets inconvenient, quickly. And I have issues with dri

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > But _intensive_ tracing can and does kill people's motivation. Doesn't > matter whether you think the people are misguided or pompous, it happens. > I've seen it in Worcester, in the East Midlands, in Northern Ireland. > > The result is t

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ulf Lamping wrote: > Am 09.12.2010 02:49, schrieb Kenneth Gonsalves: > > what I object to is mapping a place one has no intention of visiting > Fine, seems you don't like the wiki principle ... I think you're getting confused with the Wikipedia Principle: "you have a right to contribute and edit,

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 08/12/2010 14:35, Maarten Deen wrote: I have never heard of this before and have never seen it documented anywhere or seen discussed before. The only mention of "do not trace from aerial maps" is when it is off Google's maps because we cannot legaly use them. Never before have I seen a menti

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 03:16 +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=13.03175&lon=77.56565&zoom=17&layers=M > > > > before the conference I did a rough sketch from satellite imagery. > On > > arrival at the spot I found that the ground reality was totally at > > variance wi

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-12-08 14:46, davespod wrote: I have cancelled a trip to survey some lonely country lanes after someone else remotely traced them. Had I gone, the map would have gained POIs instead of just a line. But it scarcely seemed worth the trip for what might have been a couple of postboxes and pub

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-12-08 04:53, Joseph Reeves wrote: OpenStreetMap is still a wiki though? So if I find a future travel destination missing from OSM, but covered by Bing, where's the harm in tracing it? In many parts of the world there is no such thing as "local mappers" and even if I did trace a load of cr

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 09.12.2010 02:49, schrieb Kenneth Gonsalves: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 08:59 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: (Personally, I would be arguing against it. "Don't do X because the result would be less accurate than if you did Y" is an unhelpful kind of perfectionism. The line makes the point that accura

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 08:59 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > (Personally, I would be arguing against it. "Don't do X because the > result would be less accurate than if you did Y" is an unhelpful kind > of perfectionism. The line makes the point that accuracy is important. > Well, coverage is also imp

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 12:53 +, Joseph Reeves wrote: > "local mappers" and even if I did trace a load of crap into the > database, anyone else can come along and, providing they've got a > better data source than I, fix it. please keep off India -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 08.12.2010 23:46, schrieb davespod: By the way, I don't think the intention is to suggest that it is not ok to trace an area and then visit it to correct errors and add detail. It is when you are not going to do that, it is frowned upon. I can understand why. I have cancelled a trip to survey

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Joseph Reeves wrote: > An example from my recent past: We display OSM imagery on our > website to show people where our offices are. We have one office > that was in a town poorly covered by OSM. When the OS Open > imagery became available I traced chunks of the town into OSM Why not just disp

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread john
have added a few minor roads that were built too recently to be in the TIGER data, plus mapping the zoo and a couple of small cemeteries. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced >From :mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk Date :Wed Dec 08 18:15:39 America

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread SomeoneElse
On 08/12/2010 21:59, Steve Bennett wrote: So the question arises: does the community support this view? Unlike the Life of Brian, here everyone does seem to be an individual - I suspect that you'll get as many answers as there are mappers. Speaking entirely personally, I do mostly only map pla

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Joseph Reeves
> By the way, I don't think the intention is to suggest that it is not ok to > trace an area and then visit it to correct errors and add detail. It is when > you are not going to do that, it is frowned upon. I can understand why. I > have cancelled a trip to survey some lonely country lanes after s

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread davespod
Richard Mann wrote: > I wouldn't recommend remote tracing, but if you do it with due care, > or maybe to supplement stuff you have surveyed (or maybe even just > seen out of the window when passing), I completely agree that supplementing stuff you have surveyed or even tracing something you have

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ulf Lamping wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.1 See item 3.* So the question arises: does the community support this view? No. I've changed the wording, trying to still say that tracing is *better* if you have local knowledge, but local knowledge is not *re

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:46 PM, davespod wrote: > I have cancelled a trip to survey some lonely country lanes after someone else > remotely traced them. A flying trip is only partway up the scale of desirability. What you want is someone who really knows the area. They're most likely to get invo

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread davespod
Steve Bennett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 8:33 AM, davespod > wrote: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.1 > > > > See item 3.* > > Very interesting. That line was added by "Ben" in January 2009, and > that sentence hasn't been touched since. Bah! You're right! I'm sure

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 08.12.2010 22:59, schrieb Steve Bennett: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 8:33 AM, davespod wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.1 See item 3.* Very interesting. That line was added by "Ben" in January 2009, and that sentence hasn't been touched since. So the question arises

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Mike Dupont
I have seen a similar error in google sat for the area of brod, in kosovo. Bing is not even worth looking at for kosovo On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jaak Laineste wrote: >  It is good news that Bing aerials are available. The bad news is that > Bing has made exactly the same mistake as Goo

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 8:33 AM, davespod wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.1 > > See item 3.* Very interesting. That line was added by "Ben" in January 2009, and that sentence hasn't been touched since. So the question arises: does the community support this view? And

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread davespod
Steve Bennett wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > > you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more about. > If there's consensus for this view, get it documented on the wiki, and > call it policy. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_G

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 10:01:45PM +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > > You should not map from the Bing imagery area you know nothing more > > about. > > Why do people such make bold, absolutist statements like this with no > policy to back them up? Absolutist? 'Should not' is not 'must not'. And ha

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Maarten Deen
Matt Williams wrote: On 8 December 2010 13:18, Steve Bennett wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more about. If there's consensus for this view, get it documented on the wiki, and call it policy. I have

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Joseph Reeves
OpenStreetMap is still a wiki though? So if I find a future travel destination missing from OSM, but covered by Bing, where's the harm in tracing it? In many parts of the world there is no such thing as "local mappers" and even if I did trace a load of crap into the database, anyone else can come a

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > I mean, am I the only one that thinks inventing commandments and > yelling them at each other is pointless? I should apologise here for picking on two innocent individuals. I was trying to offer a criticism of the culture of the mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Matt Williams
On 8 December 2010 13:18, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more about. > > If there's consensus for this view, get it documented on the wiki, and > call it policy. I have been under the i

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more about. If there's consensus for this view, get it documented on the wiki, and call it policy. Otherwise, it's just yet another round of pointless "You must do this." on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 22:37 +1100, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:35:31 +0530 > Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more > about. > > Period. > > So how about Haiti? Colombia? exceptional circumstances sometimes need to break

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:35:31 +0530 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more about. > Period. So how about Haiti? Colombia? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/lis

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 12:10 +0100, Raphaël Pinson wrote: > > you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more > about. > > Period. > > > > > So, just to make that clear: when aerial imagery of, say, Pakistan, is > made > available to help mapping, I should not trace anything unless

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Dermot McNally
On 8 December 2010 11:05, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more about. > Period. People should be nicer to their parents. Period Dermot -- -- Igaühel on siin oma laul ja ma oma ei leiagi üles

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Raphaël Pinson
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 22:01 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > > > You should not map from the Bing imagery area you know nothing more > > > about. > > > > Why do people such make bold, absolutist statements like this with no > > policy to bac

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 22:01 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > > You should not map from the Bing imagery area you know nothing more > > about. > > Why do people such make bold, absolutist statements like this with no > policy to back them up? There is no policy that says anything of the > sort. The ab

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
> You should not map from the Bing imagery area you know nothing more > about. Why do people such make bold, absolutist statements like this with no policy to back them up? There is no policy that says anything of the sort. The above sentence is one author's opinion. It would be a very good thing

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 11:32:39AM +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Jo wrote: > > Jaak, do you know that you can change the offset in most editors? Potlatch2 > > and JOSM. I suppose in Merkaartor too, but I don't know for sure. > > But how do you know which direction

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-08 Thread 4x4falcon
On 08/12/10 08:32, Steve Bennett wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Jo wrote: Jaak, do you know that you can change the offset in most editors? Potlatch2 and JOSM. I suppose in Merkaartor too, but I don't know for sure. But how do you know which direction to offset and by how much? Is the

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Jo wrote: > Jaak, do you know that you can change the offset in most editors? Potlatch2 > and JOSM. I suppose in Merkaartor too, but I don't know for sure. But how do you know which direction to offset and by how much? Is the Bing imagery really offset so uniformly

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-07 Thread Daniel van Gerpen
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:51:13 +0100 Jo wrote: [..] > Jaak, do you know that you can change the offset in most editors? > Potlatch2 and JOSM. I suppose in Merkaartor too, but I don't know for > sure. Currently Merkaartor does not support this. Regards, Daniel

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-07 Thread Jo
Jaak, do you know that you can change the offset in most editors? Potlatch2 and JOSM. I suppose in Merkaartor too, but I don't know for sure. 2010/12/7 Jaak Laineste > 2010/12/7 Jean-Marc Liotier : > > Others have noticed it. Among them : > > > http://blog.samat.org/p/Bing-Imagery-Misaligned-at-

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-07 Thread Jaak Laineste
2010/12/7 Jean-Marc Liotier : > Others have noticed it. Among them : > http://blog.samat.org/p/Bing-Imagery-Misaligned-at-Lower-Zooms#comment-17501 > and http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/halfd/diary/12471 In our case it is not even better in higher zooms. It seems really depend on specific area,

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-07 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Jaak Laineste wrote: It is good news that Bing aerials are available. The bad news is that Bing has made exactly the same mistake as Google, who has managed to misplace aerials in some areas in the beginning of September 2009. They are shifted about 20-25 meters, which makes them quite unusable

[OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-07 Thread Jaak Laineste
It is good news that Bing aerials are available. The bad news is that Bing has made exactly the same mistake as Google, who has managed to misplace aerials in some areas in the beginning of September 2009. They are shifted about 20-25 meters, which makes them quite unusable for tracing.anything mo

Re: [OSM-talk] bing error in josm

2010-12-02 Thread Upliner
Bing is not supported by wmsplugin. It's currently supported either by slippymap plugin or by imagery plugin which is combination of wmsplugin and slippymap. 2010/12/2 Kenneth Gonsalves > hi, > > I have downloaded the josm-tested and josm-latest. In bing wms I get > this error: 'bing:bing' for t

Re: [OSM-talk] bing error in josm

2010-12-02 Thread Hendrik Oesterlin
"Kenneth Gonsalves" law...@au-kbc.org wrote on 02/12/2010 at 22:53:31 +1100 subject "[OSM-talk] bing error in josm" : > I have downloaded the josm-tested and josm-latest. In bing wms I get > this error: 'bing:bing' for this WMS layer does neither end in a 

[OSM-talk] bing error in josm

2010-12-02 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
hi, I have downloaded the josm-tested and josm-latest. In bing wms I get this error: 'bing:bing' for this WMS layer does neither end in a '&' nor with a '?'. If I choose 'fetch images' I get an exception. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing

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