[Talk-us] GNIS Issues to be aware of (was: dubious church node)

2017-10-03 Thread Mike Thompson
Here are a few other GNIS issues to be aware of: 1) Duplicates - As someone else pointed out, the GNIS points were digitized off of the USGS topo maps. If a feature is actually in multiple map sheets (such as a mountain), it may appear multiple times. I believe it was done by state, so if a feat

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-28 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2015-01-28 07:52, Simon Poole wrote: According to overpass turbo there is the small number of 394 such nodes (historical hospitals) remaining in the US (excluding Alaska and Hawaii). Given that this is bad data that actually might have disastrous consequences, I would suggest that fixing these

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-28 Thread Simon Poole
Am 13.01.2015 um 21:29 schrieb Wolfgang Zenker: ... > In Montana I have removed rather than changed these POIs, as they definitely > no longer existed before the GNIS import. Removing these for all of the US > would be a good thing, especially for hospitals. We definitely don't want > people in a

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-28 Thread Wolfgang Zenker
* Minh Nguyen [150128 09:12]: > [..] > It doesn't sound like Paul was proposing to systematically eliminate > place=hamlet POIs. It sounds like he was evaluating each one on its merits. > I do delete GNIS POIs fairly regularly, but not just because they're > tagged place=hamlet. It's usually be

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-28 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2015-01-27 22:42, Greg Morgan wrote: OSM Inspector[1] has a nice tool to check issues with these city/town/village/hamlet POIs. I updated a bunch of the POIs in Arizona to the 2010 numbers. I see that some mappers changed the values to the estimated value. Another mapper would change it ba

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-27 Thread Greg Morgan
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:29 AM, Paul Norman wrote: > On 1/13/2015 5:34 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: >> >> It looks like most of the place=city/town/village/hamlet POIs from GNIS >> are tagged with 2000 Census populations in the population tag. These >> population tags allow renderers to label places wi

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-14 Thread Marc Gemis
Or Overpass + Level0 :-) regards m. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Minh Nguyen wrote: > > I think we should consider a mechanical edit to update these tags > > While you're thinking about GNIS mechanical edits, could I suggest one for > GNIS-sourced POIs with "

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-14 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2015-01-14 01:29, Paul Norman wrote: On 1/13/2015 5:34 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: It looks like most of the place=city/town/village/hamlet POIs from GNIS are tagged with 2000 Census populations in the population tag. These population tags allow renderers to label places with font sizes correspond

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/13/2015 5:34 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: It looks like most of the place=city/town/village/hamlet POIs from GNIS are tagged with 2000 Census populations in the population tag. These population tags allow renderers to label places with font sizes corresponding to population, which is a pretty co

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-13 Thread stevea
What a fantastic set of discussions we now enjoy here. Thank you Minh and all who contribute. I essentially agree with every bit of good sense I see in this Digest's current era (circa Vol 86, Issue 23): A way to bot-update (partly, part "smart manual," too) something as basic / sensible as

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2015-01-13 07:22, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Mihn, If we do any en-mass edit, there are a few things I think we want to consider: 1. Before anything else, we need to make sure it's community approved, source data and code examined and approved by the community. Sure. The code isn't ready yet.

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-13 Thread Wolfgang Zenker
* Richard Fairhurst [150113 19:50]: > Minh Nguyen wrote: >> I think we should consider a mechanical edit to update these tags > While you're thinking about GNIS mechanical edits, could I suggest one for > GNIS-sourced POIs with "(historical)" in the name? > There are several gazillion amenity=po

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2015-01-13 10:50, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I'd do it myself but this is about the one area where you _do_ need JOSM rather than P2. ;) That makes two of us. ;-) -- m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org h

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Minh Nguyen wrote: > I think we should consider a mechanical edit to update these tags While you're thinking about GNIS mechanical edits, could I suggest one for GNIS-sourced POIs with "(historical)" in the name? There are several gazillion amenity=post_office, name=Fred Creek Post Office (histor

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-13 Thread Kam, Kristen
y, January 13, 2015 5:49 AM To: Minh Nguyen Cc: talk-us Subject: Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: I think we should consider a mechanical edit to update these tags to the 2010 Census figures en masse. I've been updating individual places as

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-13 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Mihn, If we do any en-mass edit, there are a few things I think we want to consider: 1. Before anything else, we need to make sure it's community approved, source data and code examined and approved by the community. 2. I think that in principle this is a good idea, but we'll also encounter some

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-13 Thread Harald Kliems
I wonder if this isn't something that could be more elegantly solved via wikidata [1]. It looks like population data is not yet routinely included in the entries of cities and towns, but to me this would make a lot of sense. Much easier to maintain than having to regularly do mass mechanical edits

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-13 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > I think we should consider a mechanical edit to update these tags to the > 2010 Census figures en masse. I've been updating individual places as I > edit them for other reasons, but this tag is most useful when its vintage > is consistent acro

[Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
It looks like most of the place=city/town/village/hamlet POIs from GNIS are tagged with 2000 Census populations in the population tag. These population tags allow renderers to label places with font sizes corresponding to population, which is a pretty common use case. I think we should conside

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS updating

2014-01-13 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Jason Remillard > wrote: > >> If you >> find a problematic GNIS node (especially natural feature), you should >> consider sending an email to gnis_mana...@usgs.gov as another QA point >> for OSM, rather than

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS updating

2014-01-09 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Jason Remillard wrote: > If you > find a problematic GNIS node (especially natural feature), you should > consider sending an email to gnis_mana...@usgs.gov as another QA point > for OSM, rather than just deleting it. > Great advise. Can you add this to the gnis wi

[Talk-us] GNIS updating

2014-01-09 Thread Jason Remillard
Hello Everybody, My winter OSM project is to merge all of the imported GNIS reservoir points in MA with the actual water ways. It is a manual process, I am about 60% through it. I have been getting very, very familiar with the GNIS data set. When I find a confusing, wrong GNIS point, or duplicate

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-09-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 08/set/2013 um 10:39 schrieb Serge Wroclawski : > * Reclassify objects which are currently gnis but should be other > datasets (non-gnis). being derived from one data set or the other is not an osm classification. Our strength is crowd sourced data collection and maintenance / update. All

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-09-08 Thread Paul Norman
> From: Serge Wroclawski [mailto:emac...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 1:39 AM > Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org; OSM Imports List > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal > > Paul, > > Agreed- and most of why I put this away was that I felt the d

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-09-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
13 at 4:54 AM, Paul Norman wrote: > To recap and hopefully move forwards, I'm bringing this up again. > >> From: Serge Wroclawski [mailto:emac...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:55 PM >> Subject: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal >> >> Hi all

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-09-07 Thread Paul Norman
To recap and hopefully move forwards, I'm bringing this up again. > From: Serge Wroclawski [mailto:emac...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:55 PM > Subject: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal > > Hi all, > > I've been looking at the GNIS data and it

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-24 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi Greg, I think in all the back and forth you missed the fact that the gnis feature id is staying put. Nobody has suggested removing it. Looking at the node history it will be obvious if a feature was imported (which is why we have the history function). The rest of the tags are going because the

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-24 Thread Greg Morgan
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Greg Morgan wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I've been looking at the GNIS data and it's quite a mess. >>> >> >> >> This is a horribly crafted prop

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-24 Thread Ian Dees
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Greg Morgan wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I've been looking at the GNIS data and it's quite a mess. >> > > > This is a horribly crafted proposal. You haven't shown your research why > but you declare the

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-24 Thread Greg Morgan
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been looking at the GNIS data and it's quite a mess. > This is a horribly crafted proposal. You haven't shown your research why but you declare the GNIS tags as a mess. Your proposal is as good as me declaring that a

[Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-21 Thread Ivan Privaci
> On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:19, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > > The ele tag is of unknown accuracy. It can be off by much more for > > mountains. This is the case when it's a real steep cliff between the > > sampling of NED data. found one peak where it was off by 300ft this is > > simply wrong and no

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-21 Thread Paul Norman
> From: Serge Wroclawski [mailto:emac...@gmail.com] > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal > > There was another, gnis:fcode, I believe, which people wanted preserved. > My solution to this ambiguity is to explicitly list the tags to remove, > rather than say "A

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-21 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:38, Steven Johnson wrote: > I am strenuously in favor of keeping whichever feature ID enables us to know > the lineage and provenance of the GNIS point. That bit of metadata can be > useful for downstream uses. I agree. While I know some are not fans of the various fea

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jason Remillard wrote: > Hi Serge, > > - If there are two tags for the feature id, we should pick one and > change the other one. There aren't two tags for feature_id, there's only feature_id. This UUID tag appears to be related to the import script itself, and i

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-21 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:19, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > The ele tag is of unknown accuracy. It can be off by much more for mountains. > This is the case when it's a real steep cliff between the sampling of NED > data. found one peak where it was off by 300ft this is simply wrong and not > use

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-21 Thread Steven Johnson
I am strenuously in favor of keeping whichever feature ID enables us to know the lineage and provenance of the GNIS point. That bit of metadata can be useful for downstream uses. There are instances where the ele tag is useful, even if only as a rough guide, but I don't have strong feelings about

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-21 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
The ele tag is of unknown accuracy. It can be off by much more for mountains. This is the case when it's a real steep cliff between the sampling of NED data. found one peak where it was off by 300ft this is simply wrong and not useful. On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Jason Remillard wrote: > H

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-21 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi Serge, - If there are two tags for the feature id, we should pick one and change the other one. - I don't think the ele tag should be renamed just because it is only accurate to 60m. Everything in the database is an estimate. - I would be ok with removing all of the gnis:* tags except the featu

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-20 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > And I suspect that the > UUID will be meaningful when trying to cross-reference back to the > original data. Are you confusing the UUID with gnis:feature_id ? - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-20 Thread Kevin Kenny
On 08/20/2013 04:54 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: In addition, I suggest that we remove two other tags conditionally. I suggest we remove the "ele" tag unless the tag natural=peak is present and that we remove "source" if the value for that tag is "USGS Geonames" (which is just GNIS).penny stove

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-20 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi Serge, I am 100% OK, removing these tags. Thanks Jason. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been looking at the GNIS data and it's quite a mess. > > As a step towards cleaning up the mess, I'd like to discuss removing > some extranious gnis tags in the

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-20 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I'd be more excited by a proposal to de-dupe GNIS data... but the tag cleanup is basically OK. It would be nice if the editors more loudly removed these tags. Silent is bad. That said: *Explicitly Preserve:* gnis:feature_id gnis:id *Consider deprecating*: gnis:edited, gnis:Cell, gnis:review, gnis

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-20 Thread Mike Thompson
The elevation attached to a GNIS point is taken from the National Elevation Dataset (NED) which has a 30 meter resolution in many cases (can be as high a resolution as 1 meter and as low a resolution as 60 meters depending on the location). This means that you don't get the highest elevation, only

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
go for it. actually the ele tag is quite wrong on peaks and should be removed too or renamed to something like estimated ele On 8/20/2013 1:54 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Hi all, I've been looking at the GNIS data and it's quite a mess. As a step towards cleaning up the mess, I'd like to dis

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-20 Thread Peter Dobratz
+1 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been looking at the GNIS data and it's quite a mess. > > As a step towards cleaning up the mess, I'd like to discuss removing > some extranious gnis tags in the editors (just as we do with TIGER and > other tags). >

[Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-20 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Hi all, I've been looking at the GNIS data and it's quite a mess. As a step towards cleaning up the mess, I'd like to discuss removing some extranious gnis tags in the editors (just as we do with TIGER and other tags). I would like to suggest that the editors remove the following tags entirely:

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > At last years SOTM-US conference, USGS showed a pilot program using a > modified version of Potlatch2 to update GNIS database with volunteers. If > they use this plan, the id tag could be used to compare OSM with the new > data. It would us

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-17 Thread Mike N
On 6/17/2013 10:56 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: At last years SOTM-US conference, USGS showed a pilot program using a modified version of Potlatch2 to update GNIS database with volunteers. If they use this plan, the id tag could be used to compare OSM with the new data. It would us to compare the ex

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-17 Thread the Old Topo Depot
Jim McAndrew, one of the US Board Members, gave a presentation on the USGS National Map Corps project status on June 9th ( http://stateofthemap.us/sunday.html#schedule/sunday/usgs-national-map-corps). I recommend the community work with Jim and his colleagues to ensure the most effective exchange

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-17 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Mike N wrote: > At one time, there was a plan for the USGS to use updated GNIS from OSM, > but I think that plan has become stranded on the island of license > incompatibility. Therefore, even the GNIS id tag isn't critical IMO. At last years SOTM-US conferenc

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-17 Thread Mike N
On 6/16/2013 7:20 PM, Thomas Colson wrote: Is it preferable to keep the original GNIS tags if updating a GNIS object in OSM? It's fine to leave or delete all GNIS tags. If creating an object with an area, I just copy all GNIS tags and merge tags from duplicate objects. At one time, ther

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Colson wrote: > Is it preferable to keep the original GNIS tags if updating a GNIS object > in > OSM? I preserve the GNIS id number, even if I convert the feature from node to way (or vice versa). I do this not so much for later conflation, but as it acts

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-16 Thread Mike Thompson
> For bench marked peaks, we stick with the NGS-published elevation, which I believe most of them have been converted to the latest and greatest Geoid model. Sounds like a great approach! > However, we do have a lot of GNIS peaks that aren’t bench marked. For some (the ones the peak baggers blog

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-16 Thread Thomas Colson
ith a survey-grade GPS and get an OPUS solution of the elevation, which is within 4-6 in of true. From: Mike Thompson [mailto:miketh...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:13 PM Cc: talk-us Subject: Re: [Talk-us] GNIS? > BTW, for most peaks are there not "official" elevation

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-16 Thread Mike Thompson
> BTW, for most peaks are there not "official" elevations? The National Geodetic Survey maintains a datasheet for each benchmark, including those on peaks (http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_radius.prl). The datasheet lists the official elevation. Much easier, although less fun, than summit each

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-16 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Colson wrote: > Is it preferable to keep the original GNIS tags if updating a GNIS object > in > OSM? E.g. updating say the location and elevation, everything else is the > same. In context, GNIS mountain is here, but really it's there (which is > usually th

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-16 Thread Mike Thompson
pson [mailto:miketh...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:33 PM > *To:* Thomas Colson > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] GNIS? > > ** ** > > I preserve the tags. It is easy to do. > > ** ** > > BTW, the reason the elevation of the GNIS mountain peaks is in

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-16 Thread Thomas Colson
Mike Thompson [mailto:miketh...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:33 PM To: Thomas Colson Subject: Re: [Talk-us] GNIS? I preserve the tags. It is easy to do. BTW, the reason the elevation of the GNIS mountain peaks is incorrect is that GNIS takes the elevation from the National Elev

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-16 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi Thomas, I don't know if we/OSM have a policy for dealing with the gnis imported data. I have been deleting all of the gnis tags except gnis:feature_id. The justification for deleting them is that given the gnis:feature_id and its position, the rest of the tags can be recreated from original da

[Talk-us] GNIS?

2013-06-16 Thread Thomas Colson
Is it preferable to keep the original GNIS tags if updating a GNIS object in OSM? E.g. updating say the location and elevation, everything else is the same. In context, GNIS mountain is here, but really it's there (which is usually the case for GNIS). Or, just leave the GNIS object alone, and add

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS points improvement

2011-12-19 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > Another thing: I queried for the occurence gnis:feature_id but there > is also features with other sets of GNIS tags. Are those different > imports / are they from different datasets? > > Example of 'type 1' > http://www.openstreetmap.

[Talk-us] GNIS points improvement

2011-12-19 Thread Martijn van Exel
I just ran a query on the database for GNIS imported points features against version: "count" "version" 680175 1 193999 2 57436 3 74944 16615 309 6 103 7 30 8 14 9 4 10 5 11 3 12 3 13 1 14 1 15 1 22 I would love to believe th

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS - All Feature_Classes Imported?

2010-02-11 Thread Mike Thompson
Alan, Thanks for your reply. Does anyone have an issue if I work on adding these for Colorado? The GNIS defines a "Pillar" (I misspoke when I said Pinnacle) as === Pillar Vertical, standing, often spire-shaped, natural rock formation (chimney, monument, pinnacle, pohaku, rock tower). =

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS - All Feature_Classes Imported?

2010-02-11 Thread am12
> It seems that not all GNIS Feature_Classes were imported Correct. I worked on part of it. I don't remember the details, but there were feature classes that overlapped with other data sources (like NHD) so did not appear to be useful to import. There were also many that did not map cleanly i

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS - All Feature_Classes Imported?

2010-02-10 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
or someone deleted them? Potlatch has an undo mode open the area where you expect it to be and use u or U. tend to forget which one is correct On 10 Feb 2010, at 16:17 , Mike Thompson wrote: > It seems that not all GNIS Feature_Classes were imported, at least not > in Rocky Mountain National Par

[Talk-us] GNIS - All Feature_Classes Imported?

2010-02-10 Thread Mike Thompson
It seems that not all GNIS Feature_Classes were imported, at least not in Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado. For example, in this area (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.4038&lon=-105.52128&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF) there is a prominent rock formation called "Twin Owls". It is shown on t

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import

2009-04-11 Thread Alan Millar
> There's a "copy tags" feature in JOSM that doesn't seem to work. That's > about the only way I know of right now. Pasting tags from node to way did not work for me, as recently as just a few weeks ago. However, I tried it just now on the current version 1515 and it worked. If there are tags on

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import

2009-04-10 Thread Adam Schreiber
I had no problem copying nodes tags to ways with latest. Adam On 4/10/09, Joseph Jon Booker wrote: > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:01:08 -0500 > Ian Dees wrote: >> There's a "copy tags" feature in JOSM that doesn't seem to work. >> That's about the only way I know of right now. > > Perhaps it is simil

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import

2009-04-10 Thread Joseph Jon Booker
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:01:08 -0500 Ian Dees wrote: > There's a "copy tags" feature in JOSM that doesn't seem to work. > That's about the only way I know of right now. Perhaps it is similar to potlatch, which only allows you to copy way tags to other ways, and nodes to other nodes. -- Joseph Boo

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import

2009-04-10 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Adam Schreiber wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Ian Dees wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Adam Schreiber wrote: >>> >>> Is there an easy way to merge the tags from the nodes to areas that >>> have already been mapped?  I just noticed a

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import

2009-04-10 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Adam Schreiber wrote: >> >> Is there an easy way to merge the tags from the nodes to areas that >> have already been mapped?  I just noticed a lot of nodes show up for >> buildings at my university. > > Ther

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import

2009-04-10 Thread Ian Dees
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Adam Schreiber wrote: > > At first blush this would seem better than manually doing this work, > but some of the building names have changed or the GNIS data has a > more complete name, but the area should be the one that is kept. I'm > not terribly familiar wit

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import

2009-04-10 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Adam Schreiber wrote: >> >> Is there an easy way to merge the tags from the nodes to areas that >> have already been mapped?  I just noticed a lot of nodes show up for >> buildings at my university. > > Ther

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import

2009-04-10 Thread Ian Dees
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Adam Schreiber wrote: > Is there an easy way to merge the tags from the nodes to areas that > have already been mapped? I just noticed a lot of nodes show up for > buildings at my university. > There's a "copy tags" feature in JOSM that doesn't seem to work. Th

[Talk-us] GNIS Import

2009-04-10 Thread Adam Schreiber
Is there an easy way to merge the tags from the nodes to areas that have already been mapped? I just noticed a lot of nodes show up for buildings at my university. Cheers, Adam ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreet

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-14 Thread Eric Wolf
> Well, I'm not planning on making a list of all my OSM edits to send back > to GNIS, so I'm hoping the diff or other extract method works out.  I'm > finding errors and I'm just fixing them in OSM. It really should be the impetus of the USGS to mine the OSM for GNIS updates. Don't sweat it. > ID

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-14 Thread Alan Millar
>>> 2. I'm planning on taking the planet dump and grepping out all of the >>> GNIS >>> data. This will be used to generate diffs that we can send back to the >>> GNIS >>> board, who has the option of putting it back into their data set. > Also, please report > anything you find. It would be gr

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
it's just surprising that the old scanned maps seem to be more accurate than any newer data available in electronic formats. have used them in Pathaway and always found these maps more accurate than Garmin maps. Garmin, TomTom have the same errors as Tiger data and seems the same errors as this da

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-13 Thread Eric Wolf
Good sleuthing, David! There are some mountain tops that are accurate. If you climb a mountain and find a USGS monument, then I'll bet the GNIS data is accurate. If there isn't one, it could easily be off by as much as 30m (lowest expected accuracy of NED). I'm sure, someplace at The Survey, ther

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-13 Thread David Lynch
If you go to the Board of Geographic Names site (http://geonames.usgs.gov/), it indicates that all elevations are from the National Elevation Dataset. (Which is probably what Garmin uses as well.) NED doesn't really have the spatial resolution to resolve features as small as the exact tops of mount

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-13 Thread Eric Wolf
Ian, Email gnis_mana...@usgs.gov with that question. Also, please report anything you find. It would be great if the USGS had the wherewithall to create an automated method to pull any changes out of OSM and back into our databases. And yes, one of the beauties of OSM is that it will contain info

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-13 Thread Karl Newman
> > While GNIS might not be perfectly accurate in geoposition, it is the > authoritative set of geographic names for the US. It contains features > that are on no other map or spatial database. > Until now, anyway. ;-) Karl ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-13 Thread Eric Wolf
Much of the GNIS data was extracted during the scanning and color separation of the 1:24K 7.5' topo sheets. Those maps were made from survey information - not GPS or satellite. And, because those were hand made maps, cartographic convention sometimes required things to be shifted. However, landform

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
How accurate is this data and how does it fit match with USGS maps? Just checked one Peak I had entered some time ago. USGS map 9735ft =2967m, GNIS import 2965m & position shift ~20m (Garmin TopoUS 2008 2964m) position of USGS map and Yahoo matches exactly with my gpx tracks. Interesting to see U

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi all, thanks for the tips about tagging schools / hospitals and such. :) I'm carefully following along and learning as i go, as i don't want to repeat any of the same mistakes made before (but knowone is perfect, so im sure i'll make more blunders as i have done before) Anyway, i too have the g

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Minh Nguyen
Ngày 3/12/09 8:47 AM, Ian Dees vie^'t: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Ted Mielczarek mailto:ted.mielcza...@gmail.com>> wrote: Yeah, I deleted quite a few POIs for things that no longer exist. Sorry if I sounded mad in my message. :) I still question the value of this data given m

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Matthew Schneider
> If you know that Zavala School and Zavala Elementary School are the > same thing, then you should delete the "less correct" node (along with > its gnis:feature_id). That would eventually push a "delete the less > correct data point" change into GNIS, which is a good thing I think. I hope soon

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:43 AM, David Lynch wrote: > Another thing I'm seeing as I look around is duplicates and > near-duplicates ("Zavala School" vs. "Zavala Elementary School", for > instance.) For now, I'm putting both feature IDs into one point, > separated by a semicolon. Does that work f

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread David Lynch
Another thing I'm seeing as I look around is duplicates and near-duplicates ("Zavala School" vs. "Zavala Elementary School", for instance.) For now, I'm putting both feature IDs into one point, separated by a semicolon. Does that work for your purposes of reporting back to GNIS? On Thu, Mar 12, 20

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Ian Dees
This didn't make it to the list: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:18 AM, David Lynch wrote: > >> Another what-if tagging situation -- what about places where there are >> two nodes for the same object, one containing an out-of-date name, one >>

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Matt Maxon wrote: > Ian Dees wrote: > >> that we can send back to the GNIS board, who has the option of putting it >> back into their data set. >> >> 3. If there are already OSM features in your area for a certain node that >> I imported, feel free to delete my n

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Matt Maxon
Ian Dees wrote: > that we can send back to the GNIS board, who has the option of putting > it back into their data set. > > 3. If there are already OSM features in your area for a certain node > that I imported, feel free to delete my node, but please merge at > least the gnis:feature_id tag fro

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Matt Maxon
Ian Dees wrote: > that we can send back to the GNIS board, who has the option of putting > it back into their data set. > > 3. If there are already OSM features in your area for a certain node > that I imported, feel free to delete my node, but please merge at > least the gnis:feature_id tag fro

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: > Yeah, I deleted quite a few POIs for things that no longer exist. Sorry if > I sounded mad in my message. :) I still question the value of this data > given my (brief, informal) survey of what it brought to my local area. I > think I may ha

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Ted Mielczarek
Yeah, I deleted quite a few POIs for things that no longer exist. Sorry if I sounded mad in my message. :) I still question the value of this data given my (brief, informal) survey of what it brought to my local area. I think I may have also deleted a few nodes where I had already mapped the featur

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Adam Schreiber wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Ian Dees wrote: >> > 3. If there are already OSM features in your area for a certain node >> > that I >> > imported, feel free to delete my node,

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Adam Schreiber wrote: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > > 3. If there are already OSM features in your area for a certain node that > I > > imported, feel free to delete my node, but please merge at least the > > gnis:feature_id tag from the GN

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > 3. If there are already OSM features in your area for a certain node that I > imported, feel free to delete my node, but please merge at least the > gnis:feature_id tag from the GNIS data so that we can keep track of future > name changes. What a

[Talk-us] GNIS Import Done

2009-03-12 Thread Ian Dees
Hi everyone, I completed the GNIS node import yesterday. Please see the wiki page [1] for more details. As several of you have messaged me and posted on this list, there are some problems with this data. Let me try to explain my thought process: 1. Since the resolution of the information is fair