[xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate - funny logic

Right. Considering a reply on how greed is good because it fuels, promotes and sustains capitalism, and as a modestly decent devil's advocate, I can't but ask the obvious question: Why on earth wasting any time or efforts then with Linux, when we already have the two exceedingly successful giants o

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I tried manjaro once but I had lots of troubles with the hardware. Don't get me wrong, they could all have been sorted via the cli, but being a rookie at linux it was just too confusing to me at the time and the help was scattered all over... That really discouraged me a bit, I got to admit. Then

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On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Yes there is Guang and I for once am one living proof of it. No capitalist > system has or will ever succeed in subjugating me and controlling me like > they control their slave-filled nations. Ask your masters and you shall be > informed. >

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Yes there is Guang and I for once am one living proof of it. No capitalist system has or will ever succeed in subjugating me and controlling me like they control their slave-filled nations. Ask your masters and you shall be informed. Now... can we get back on track to linux, please? Cheers upfront

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On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:19 PM, fred roller wrote: > ..hmmm, > > even the apple seed dreams of being a fruitful tree one day. That said, > know the difference between profit and greed. And turning the wheel > sharply to come back to topic... > > Proprietary OS's are extrinsically motivated in

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On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > And since when is capitalism a good thing? A system that puts a price on > human life and renders the hypocrates oath of doctors a farse and a charade > of hypocrisy, where you can only get medical treatment if you can afford to > pay for it

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..hmmm, even the apple seed dreams of being a fruitful tree one day. That said, know the difference between profit and greed. And turning the wheel sharply to come back to topic... Proprietary OS's are extrinsically motivated in profit, power, et al. Linux is intrinsically motivated for a commu

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

> We won't achieve a "unified" system base unless and until we have. > either a monopoly that actually runs ALL computers, or a far better > educational system that teaches everyone how to use a computer well > enough to learn from the real unified level (Linux kernel & GNU > utilities) up. and...

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Guang Chao wrote: > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Michael Höhne > wrote: > > > Joao Monteiro wrote: > > > > > > > 99% of humankind's social problems are rooted right there... in > > > greed. > > > > You're so damn right!!! > > > > But greed is important. That's what makes capitalism

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

Dang, Steve, it's official... you are the devil's advocate's assistant...lol... I do agree wit you and those that stand for variety, diversity, choices-availability and freedom. What I have been trying to figure, is a way of having a distro dedicated of acting as a life-saver, a safe and easy to

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And since when is capitalism a good thing? A system that puts a price on human life and renders the hypocrates oath of doctors a farse and a charade of hypocrisy, where you can only get medical treatment if you can afford to pay for it? Would like to see you speaking high of greed and capitalism i

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:25:03 +0800 Guang Chao wrote: > But on the downside, open source is so fragmented. See how many > distro there are. How many desktop manager. How many projects doing > the same thing. Instead of the large majority focusing on only few > good ones, programmers are scatt

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On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Michael Höhne wrote: > Joao Monteiro wrote: > > > > 99% of humankind's social problems are rooted right there... in greed. > > You're so damn right!!! > But greed is important. That's what makes capitalism effective. > > Regards, > Michael > > -- > >

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On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > And that's not a bad thing, Guang, on the contrary variety, choices, > creativity... the very spices of Life itself. > > What is needed is a common base upon which to build all that diversity. > But imagine. Let's say Content Managemen

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Got to love your humbleness hahaha... But yeah, I understand what you're saying. But read my idea again please... It's not so far fetched or dreamy as it may sound snd it's doable... if the major players are willing to join efforts to pull it off. A real building with a real setup like mentioned

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Ohhh I s agree with you both, David & Fred (btw, welcome back David, > hope you are well my friend). > > I have for my whole life stating that the only constant in Life is Change. I > stand for it. > > But hey... picture this... > > T

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Ohhh I s agree with you both, David & Fred (btw, welcome back David, hope you are well my friend). I have for my whole life stating that the only constant in Life is Change. I stand for it. But hey... picture this... This is exactly what I meant by having the major players joining togeth

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> On related but not so related. I really hate that 99.99% of laptops now are pre-installed with Windows. And part of the cost of the device came from the OS. 5 years ago, I can still buy laptops without bundled OS and save some $$$. Why is it assumed that all laptop users wants MSWindows? Bec

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

| What is needed is a common base upon which to build all that diversity. Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel Linus wrote a kernel to help his students and long story short gave it to the world. The FOSS community adopted it and now we have diversity. The arguments to reduce this d

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Joao Monteiro wrote: > 99% of humankind's social problems are rooted right there... in greed. You're so damn right!!! Regards, Michael -- / / / / /__/ Michael Höhne / / / / / / mih-hoe...@web.de / / -- xubuntu-users mailing l

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I'd love to get stuck in to writing/proof-reading good docs for the Linux community. I've done this professionally for University Radiation Protection. This the point; the writer/proof-reader needs to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the subject and/or experts to correct misapprehensions and ro

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There is nothing wrong with getting paid for one's work, Guang. What is deplorable is to make of the financial profit the goal, the priority, in detriment of quality, usability, usefulness, consistency, reliability, availability, etc... and of course, in being greedy in the profit itself.. 99% of

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And that's not a bad thing, Guang, on the contrary variety, choices, creativity... the very spices of Life itself. What is needed is a common base upon which to build all that diversity. So, if I'm grasping this right, getting the major players creating a unified version of a kernel would do

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On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Hmm... ok, thank you for the clarification, appreciated. > > I usually do exactly that, when I'm at the PC or Laptop. But I'm replying > from my phone, as I have been at work and commuting to and from work and > unfortunately when I hit "rep

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Thanks. Not knocking it, just being realist and aware of my own > limitations - and capabilities alike, of course. > > Yes, I did find a way indeed... which is why I sustain that if I can do > it, everybody can. And yet, I'm

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 21:44:48 +0100, Peter Flynn wrote: >On 07/12/2017 08:45 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: >> I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily >> on it for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software >> authors/company never provided any drivers for linux. And after a >>

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Hmm... ok, thank you for the clarification, appreciated. I usually do exactly that, when I'm at the PC or Laptop. But I'm replying from my phone, as I have been at work and commuting to and from work and unfortunately when I hit "reply" my phone just opens a new blank window to reply, so my apolog

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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 06:26:20 +0100 Joao Monteiro wrote: > MR, can you please clarify me what "to bottom post" means, as I don't > want to break any etiquette. http://bfy.tw/CoLm SteveT Steve Litt July 2017 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.c

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No, Peter, I confess I haven't. Not because of costs or that I was unaware of it, but merely because I'm making a genuine effort to stick to Linux alone, as I do need to learn it as well as I can. Hence, I'm not installing wine, so that I don't fall for the temptation of resorting to windows when I

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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > MR, can you please clarify me what "to bottom post" means, as I don't want > to break any etiquette. And also what FOSS means. > Bottom posting is what almost everyone this list does - reply underneath the original post so as to preserve the

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MR, can you please clarify me what "to bottom post" means, as I don't want to break any etiquette. And also what FOSS means. As for your reply... yes, to a great extent you are right. But what many in the linux world don't like or wish to acknowledge, is that another reason might be the countless

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

Really hard, not impossible, Guan. Where there is a will, there is a way. And there's a will already... with patience, the way will come ;) On 13 Jul 2017 00:55, "Guang Chao" wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Richard Owlett > wrote: > >> TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

Hi Richard, Thanks. Not knocking it, just being realist and aware of my own limitations - and capabilities alike, of course. Yes, I did find a way indeed... which is why I sustain that if I can do it, everybody can. And yet, I'm aware that there's a myriad of reasons why sometimes we may not be a

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" > q.v. > > Disclaimer: Though I use Debian rather than Ubuntu, I often find this > forum useful. > Same to me. I mean I find useful. But

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On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Haha, noticed lol... > > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it > for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never > provided any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for >

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Haha, noticed lol... > > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it > for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never > provided any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for >

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On 07/12/2017 08:45 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it > for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never > provided any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for > alternatives, the odd couple of them

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Haha, noticed lol... > > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it for > my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never provided > any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for al

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Haha, noticed lol... I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never provided any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for alternatives, the odd couple of them available are exceedingly inad

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 19:51:46 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:33:09 +0100, Joao Monteiro wrote: >>- CAD wise, linux is still useless > >I can't speak about the software, but at least some people are >satisfied with Linux for CAT. ^^^ *lol* Not a j

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:33:09 +0100, Joao Monteiro wrote: >- CAD wise, linux is still useless I can't speak about the software, but at least some people are satisfied with Linux for CAT. The real-time patches seem to work. Much likely it's the same as for pro-audio, which is my domain. How much MID

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" q.v. Disclaimer: Though I use Debian rather than Ubuntu, I often find this forum useful. On 07/12/2017 02:01 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: Hi all, For those who may not have read it in the thread wh

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Fair enough Ralph and I respect your opinion. Yet, allow me to ask you to consider that you may have misunderstood my purpose for this thread and to say that in my opinion it is a pitty if you choose to not jump into it because you do have very good and strong views on all this, that can bring equa

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

Right. Comparisons. As much as they may be unfair, not sensible or even downright absurd, they are an intrinsic part of life - and of our human nature. That's a fact. A substantial part of the decisions that we make in our everyday lives are based on the conclusions that we make after making some

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Hi, while it's a good idea to open a new thread, instead of becoming off-topic for another thread, I guess it's not useful to continue this discussion. At least I've said what I wanted to contribute to this discussion. Regards, Ralf PS: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2017-July/0

[xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

Hi all, For those who may not have read it in the thread where I mentioned it, the purpose of this thread is simple: My humble way of giving a contribution to the community within my rookie means, in a threefold manner... 1) The original subject of a thread usually gets lost in the twists and tu