[zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Sigbjorn Lie
Hi, I've been searching around on the Internet to fine some help with this, but have been unsuccessfull so far. I have some performance issues with my file server. I have an OpenSolaris server with a Pentium D 3GHz CPU, 4GB of memory, and a RAIDZ1 over 4 x Seagate (ST31500341AS) 1,5TB SATA

Re: [zfs-discuss] Confused about consumer drives and zfs can someone help?

2010-07-23 Thread tomwaters
There is alot there to reply to...but I will try and help... Re. TLER. Do not worry about TLER when using ZFS. ZFS will handle it either way and will NOT time out and drop the drive...it may wait a long time, but it will not time out and drop the drive - nor will it have an issue if you do

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Phil Harman
That's because NFS adds synchronous writes to the mix (e.g. the client needs to know certain transactions made it to nonvolatile storage in case the server restarts etc). The simplest safe solution, although not cheap, is to add an SSD log device to the pool. On 23 Jul 2010, at 08:11, Sigbjorn

Re: [zfs-discuss] Confused about consumer drives and zfs can someone help?

2010-07-23 Thread Thomas Burgess
I've found the Seagate 7200.12 1tb drives and Hitachi 7k2000 2TB drives to be by far the best. I've read lots of horror stories about any WD drive with 4k sectorsit'sbest to stay away from them. I've also read plenty of people say that the green drives are terrible.

Re: [zfs-discuss] L2ARC and ZIL on same SSD?

2010-07-23 Thread Thomas Burgess
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Orvar Korvar knatte_fnatte_tja...@yahoo.com wrote: Are there any drawbacks to partition a SSD in two parts and use L2ARC on one partition, and ZIL on the other? Any thoughts? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Thomas Burgess
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Sigbjorn Lie sigbj...@nixtra.com wrote: Hi, I've been searching around on the Internet to fine some help with this, but have been unsuccessfull so far. I have some performance issues with my file server. I have an OpenSolaris server with a Pentium D 3GHz

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Thomas Burgess wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Sigbjorn Lie sigbj...@nixtra.com mailto:sigbj...@nixtra.com wrote: Hi, I've been searching around on the Internet to fine some help with this, but have been unsuccessfull so far. I have some performance issues with

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread tomwaters
I agree, I get apalling NFS speeds compared to CIFS/Samba..ie. CIFS/Samba of 95-105MB and NFS of 5-20MB. Not the thread hijack, but I assume a SSD ZIL will similarly improve an iSCSI target...as I am getting 2-5MB on that too. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Phil Harman
On 23 Jul 2010, at 09:18, Andrew Gabriel andrew.gabr...@oracle.com wrote: Thomas Burgess wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Sigbjorn Lie sigbj...@nixtra.com mailto:sigbj...@nixtra.com wrote: Hi, I've been searching around on the Internet to fine some help with this, but

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Sigbjorn Lie
I see I have already received several replies, thanks to all! I would not like to risk losing any data, so I believe a ZIL device would be the way for me. I see these exists in different prices. Any reason why I would not buy a cheap one? Like the Intel X25-V SSD 40GB 2,5? What size of ZIL

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Sigbjorn Lie
On Fri, July 23, 2010 10:42, tomwaters wrote: I agree, I get apalling NFS speeds compared to CIFS/Samba..ie. CIFS/Samba of 95-105MB and NFS of 5-20MB. Not the thread hijack, but I assume a SSD ZIL will similarly improve an iSCSI target...as I am getting 2-5MB on that too. -- This

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Phil Harman
Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2010, at 09:42, tomwaters tomwat...@chadmail.com wrote: I agree, I get apalling NFS speeds compared to CIFS/Samba..ie. CIFS/Samba of 95-105MB and NFS of 5-20MB. Not the thread hijack, but I assume a SSD ZIL will similarly improve an iSCSI target...as I am

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Phil Harman
On 23/07/2010 10:02, Sigbjorn Lie wrote: On Fri, July 23, 2010 10:42, tomwaters wrote: I agree, I get apalling NFS speeds compared to CIFS/Samba..ie. CIFS/Samba of 95-105MB and NFS of 5-20MB. Not the thread hijack, but I assume a SSD ZIL will similarly improve an iSCSI target...as I am

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Thomas Burgess
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Sigbjorn Lie sigbj...@nixtra.com wrote: I see I have already received several replies, thanks to all! I would not like to risk losing any data, so I believe a ZIL device would be the way for me. I see these exists in different prices. Any reason why I would

[zfs-discuss] physically removed a pool - how to I tell it to forget the pool?

2010-07-23 Thread tomwaters
Hi guys, I physically removed disks from a pool without offlining the pool first...(yes I know) anyway I now want to delete/destroy the pool...but zpool destroy -f dvr says can not open 'dvr':no such pool I can not offline it or delete it! I want to reuse the name dvr but how do I do this?

Re: [zfs-discuss] physically removed a pool - how to I tell it to forget the pool?

2010-07-23 Thread Francois Napoleoni
If all disks were actually removed, renaming /etc/zfs/zpool.cache and rebooting should do the trick. I am not sure but you may have to import root pool at next reboot. F. tomwaters wrote: Hi guys, I physically removed disks from a pool without offlining the pool first...(yes I know)

[zfs-discuss] Increase resilver priority

2010-07-23 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
Hello, We've seen some resilvers on idle servers that are taking ages. Is it possible to speed up resilver operations somehow? Eg. iostat shows 5MB/s writes on the replaced disks. I'm thinking a small performance degradation would be sometimes better than the increased risk window (where a

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Sigbjorn Lie
On Fri, July 23, 2010 11:21, Thomas Burgess wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Sigbjorn Lie sigbj...@nixtra.com wrote: I see I have already received several replies, thanks to all! I would not like to risk losing any data, so I believe a ZIL device would be the way for me. I see

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 23/07/2010 10:53, Sigbjorn Lie wrote: The X25-V has up to 25k random read iops and up to 2.5k random write iops per second, so that would seem okay for approx $80. :) What about mirroring? Do I need mirrored ZIL devices in case of a power outage? Note there is not a ZIL device, there is a

Re: [zfs-discuss] physically removed a pool - how to I tell it to forget the pool?

2010-07-23 Thread tomwaters
It was fine on the reboot...so even though zfs destroy threw up the errors, it did remove them...just needed a reboot to refresh/remove it in the zpool list. thanks. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raidz1 and traditional raid 5 perfomrance comparision

2010-07-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Robert Milkowski [mailto:mi...@task.gda.pl] [In raidz] The issue is that each zfs filesystem block is basically spread across n-1 devices. So every time you want to read back a single fs block you need to wait for all n-1 devices to provide you with a part of it - and keep in mind

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Phil Harman Milkowski and Neil Perrin's zil synchronicity [PSARC/2010/108] changes with sync=disabled, when the changes work their way into an available The fact that people run unsafe

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Sigbjorn Lie What size of ZIL device would be recommened for my pool consisting for Get the smallest one. Even an unrealistic high performance scenario cannot come close to using 32G. I am

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Sigbjorn Lie What about mirroring? Do I need mirrored ZIL devices in case of a power outage? You don't need mirroring for the sake of *power outage* but you *do* need mirroring for the sake

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Phil Harman Milkowski and Neil Perrin's zil synchronicity [PSARC/2010/108] changes with sync=disabled, when the changes work their way into an available The fact that

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raidz1 and traditional raid 5 perfomrance comparision

2010-07-23 Thread Arne Jansen
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: Robert Milkowski [mailto:mi...@task.gda.pl] [In raidz] The issue is that each zfs filesystem block is basically spread across n-1 devices. So every time you want to read back a single fs block you need to wait for all n-1 devices to provide you with a part of it

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs add -r output

2010-07-23 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Ryan, You are seeing this CR: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6916574 zpool add -n displays incorrect structure This is a display problem only. Thanks, Cindy On 07/22/10 15:54, Ryan Schwartz wrote: I've got a system running s10x_u7wos_08 with only half of the disks

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Linder, Doug
Phil Harmon wrote: Not the thread hijack, but I assume a SSD ZIL will similarly improve an iSCSI target...as I am getting 2-5MB on that too. Yes, it generally will. I've seen some huge improvements with iSCSI, but YMMV depending on your config, application and workload. Sorry this isn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] Increase resilver priority

2010-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 23, 2010, at 2:31 AM, Giovanni Tirloni wrote: Hello, We've seen some resilvers on idle servers that are taking ages. Is it possible to speed up resilver operations somehow? Eg. iostat shows 5MB/s writes on the replaced disks. This is lower than I expect, but It may be IOPS bound.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Increase resilver priority

2010-07-23 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On 07/23/10 02:31, Giovanni Tirloni wrote: We've seen some resilvers on idle servers that are taking ages. Is it possible to speed up resilver operations somehow? Eg. iostat shows5MB/s writes on the replaced disks. What build of opensolaris are you running? There were some recent

Re: [zfs-discuss] Increase resilver priority

2010-07-23 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Richard Elling rich...@nexenta.com wrote: On Jul 23, 2010, at 2:31 AM, Giovanni Tirloni wrote: Hello, We've seen some resilvers on idle servers that are taking ages. Is it possible to speed up resilver operations somehow? Eg. iostat shows 5MB/s writes on

Re: [zfs-discuss] Increase resilver priority

2010-07-23 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Bill Sommerfeld bill.sommerf...@oracle.com wrote: On 07/23/10 02:31, Giovanni Tirloni wrote:  We've seen some resilvers on idle servers that are taking ages. Is it possible to speed up resilver operations somehow?  Eg. iostat shows5MB/s writes on the

[zfs-discuss] Random system hang build 134

2010-07-23 Thread Som Pathak
Symptoms: 1. System remains pingable 2. When trying to ssh in terminal hangs after entering pass 3. At the console terminal hangs after entering pass 4. Problem persists after disabling snapshots/compression/dedup Solution: Hard reboot (A+F1 does not work) Configuration: Supermicro Mobo 24 x

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS volume turned into a socket - any way to restore data?

2010-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Ruslan Sivak wrote: I have recently upgraded from NexentaStor 2 to NexentaStor 3 and somehow one of my volumes got corrupted. Its showing up as a socket. Has anyone seen this before? Is there a way to get my data back? It seems like it's still there, but

Re: [zfs-discuss] Confused about consumer drives and zfs can someone help?

2010-07-23 Thread JavaWebDev
On 7/23/2010 3:39 AM, tomwaters wrote: There is alot there to reply to...but I will try and help... Re. TLER. Do not worry about TLER when using ZFS. ZFS will handle it either way and will NOT time out and drop the drive...it may wait a long time, but it will not time out and drop the drive

[zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the top of a file system?

2010-07-23 Thread Fred Liu
Hi, Is it true? Any way to find it in every hierarchy? Thanks. Fred ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raidz1 and traditional raid 5 perfomrance comparision

2010-07-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Arne Jansen [mailto:sensi...@gmx.net] Can anyone else confirm or deny the correctness of this statement? As I understand it that's the whole point of raidz. Each block is its own stripe. Nope, that doesn't count for confirmation. It is at least theoretically possible to

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Linder, Doug On a related note - all other things being equal, is there any reason to choose NFS over ISCI, or vice-versa? I'm currently looking at this iscsi and NFS are completely

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the top of a file system?

2010-07-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Fred Liu Is it true? Any way to find it in every hierarchy? Yup. Nope. If you use ZFS, you make a filesystem at whatever level you need it, in order for the .zfs directory to be available

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the top of a file system?

2010-07-23 Thread Fred Liu
Thanks. But too many file systems may be an issue for management and also normal user cannot create file system. I think it should go like what NetApp's snapshot does. It is a pity. Thanks. Fred -Original Message- From: Edward Ned Harvey [mailto:sh...@nedharvey.com] Sent: 星期六, 七月

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS performance?

2010-07-23 Thread Garrett D'Amore
Fundamentally, my recommendation is to choose NFS if your clients can use it. You'll get a lot of potential advantages in the NFS/zfs integration, so better performance. Plus you can serve multiple clients, etc. The only reason to use iSCSI is when you don't have a choice, IMO. You should only

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the top of a file system?

2010-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 23, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Fred Liu fred_...@issi.com wrote: Thanks. But too many file systems may be an issue for management and also normal user cannot create file system. The ability to create or snapshot a file system can easily be delegated to a user. I think it should go like

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the top of a file system?

2010-07-23 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
I think it should go like what NetApp's snapshot does. There was a long thread on this topic earlier this year. Please see the archives for details. Do you have the URL? I don't have a long subscription I too do not have a long subscription, and I would be interested in the subject line