Re: [313] Nightime World Volume II
Mr. Armstrong was right.Its a wonderfull.
Stacey Pullen album
has anyone heard the new Stacey Pullen album on the Science label? jason
Re: [ur-records] Question???
H'm oh!really ?interesting... I've supported them for a while now, but never get the chance to receive pre release material from them, and I have HARD times to find their releases other here. Later I second this, people who receive material MUST post info and/or comments Later BTW : where is Mercenary ??? show up man! From: JavierDrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:26:11 -0500 How come certain trends on 313 are so easy to follow while others are just ignored, why I ask this is because I know that there are more people on this list that get packages from Submerge or stumbled on certain pre-released material but it is hardly ever discussed. I think one person shared their views on the new V-Max and zero shared anything on the new KMS. What's up, I think it is our duty and responsibility to discuss this material!!! Why do you think we get advanced copies? So that we can spread the word and prepare and let people know that, hey this stuff is gonna be out soon and you know what it is pretty dope, and you know what else you should go out and pick yourself up a copy or hound down your local record shop cause we need to support the UNDERGROUND, what's up folks? Is it me or is there something wrong here? j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com Home of Detroit Influence Reflections Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question???
Well, Javier...I can kida shed a bit of light on this. As I do agree with you on the whole discussion of pre-released material, there was a slight debate about a year ago on here concerning people boasting about the white labels that they obtain from wherever and such. And after that debate went down, I never really heard too much about the discussion of white labels and such. Another point... for some of us, its rather hard to be unbiased. Look at it this way, I cant really justify going off about a new Ectomorph record, because im somewhat affiliated with Star 67. Same thing with Dale Lawrence not really being the one to bring up the Electro Deluxe record on Plus 8. Or, Bill VanLoo showing excitement over the Designer Music Vol 2. Now, I realize all 3 of these are out now, but Im just thinking of recent situations where maybe some of these listees had a hard time with holding back from bringing it up in here. Now, as for people who get records because they work at a magazine or something, thats a different story. These people should DEFINANTLY make their voices heard. I dunno, just bringing up a point hat may have been overlooked. *shrugg* derek. From: JavierDrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:26:11 -0500 How come certain trends on 313 are so easy to follow while others are just ignored, why I ask this is because I know that there are more people on this list that get packages from Submerge or stumbled on certain pre-released material but it is hardly ever discussed. I think one person shared their views on the new V-Max and zero shared anything on the new KMS. What's up, I think it is our duty and responsibility to discuss this material!!! Why do you think we get advanced copies? So that we can spread the word and prepare and let people know that, hey this stuff is gonna be out soon and you know what it is pretty dope, and you know what else you should go out and pick yourself up a copy or hound down your local record shop cause we need to support the UNDERGROUND, what's up folks? Is it me or is there something wrong here? j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com
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Derek wrote: Now, as for people who get records because they work at a magazine or something, thats a different story. These people should DEFINANTLY make their voices heard. I totally agree. Now just give me God's phone number and I'll aks him to make every day twice as long and He also should abolish the human need to sleep and relax. I'm 1m83 and weigh 54kilo's. Just a little bit more work and stress and I'll be able to take off in a gust of wind! All of this to say that I very much would like to do reviews on the (few) records I receive, but I simply don't have the time for it. Some of the guys on the list are full-time journalists for music magazines and that's a different story. For me it's a hobby (and 'no' I'm not in it for the money, I don't care). I usually come home from work around 8pm. By the time I have finished eating and checking my mail it's already pretty late. It's quite frustrating this time problem. Does anybody have similar experiences? Oh, BTW, this Axis 20, is it already available in Europe (Belgium)? John P.S. How the hell do you manage to get packages from Submerge? That would be a dream come true! From: JavierDrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:26:11 -0500 How come certain trends on 313 are so easy to follow while others are just ignored, why I ask this is because I know that there are more people on this list that get packages from Submerge or stumbled on certain pre-released material but it is hardly ever discussed. I think one person shared their views on the new V-Max and zero shared anything on the new KMS. What's up, I think it is our duty and responsibility to discuss this material!!! Why do you think we get advanced copies? So that we can spread the word and prepare and let people know that, hey this stuff is gonna be out soon and you know what it is pretty dope, and you know what else you should go out and pick yourself up a copy or hound down your local record shop cause we need to support the UNDERGROUND, what's up folks? Is it me or is there something wrong here? j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Re: Question???
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question??? All of this to say that I very much would like to do reviews on the (few) records I receive, but I simply don't have the time for it. Reviews are cool but just a heads-up on some new records that are about to be released or whatever would be good. I used to know about all the current releases I was interested in purely from 313 and IDM lists. Currently, the earliest I get to hear about a new release is when I see it on the rack in the shops. This argument can be levelled at most lists though, not just 313. There also seems to be an aversion to self-promotion on here. I know some people have taken flak for promoting their music, gigs, etc. on this list but if its on topic and concerns Detroit techno, I don't see the problem? || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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From: Simon Walley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [313] Re: Question??? but if its on topic and concerns Detroit techno, And of course Detroit house and jazz and bass and whatever related music is happily discussed on this list. Didn't mean it to sound exclusive of other genres. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
detroit grand pubas
somebody knows somethings about them? i`ll be interviewing them this weekend. so any info would be funky. cu bleed
Re: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question???
All of this to say that I very much would like to do reviews on the (few) records I receive, but I simply don't have the time for it. Some of the guys on the list are full-time journalists for music magazines and that's a different story. Not sure about that, Johno. I'm a full-time journo (not to mention a parent and school governor) and I still have to work some nights as well to get everything done. There's loads of writing I would like to do - for free mags and sites, plus stuff I'd like to try and get stuff into newspapers etc - but there just ain't enough hours in the day. Also, a lot of what I receive is non-313 techno/electronic music and I'm wary of clogging this list with comments about off-topic material. That all said, the point made is a good one I will endeavour to post comments on 313-related promos I receive more in future. TOM MF P.S. How the hell do you manage to get packages from Submerge? That would be a dream come true! I got an unsolicited package from Submerge once, containing three records (one was Chaos Dot Dot Dash on Metroplex, can't remember the others offhand). I wrote about them in Magic Feet, sent ol' Mike a copy as ever. Then, nothing. Ever again. Damn.
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Please don't take this topic the wrong way, not everyone that supports someone is going to get pre-released material, but those who do need to inform people, why because not everyone hangs out the clubs not everyone gets to listen to the big or descent underground people play. I for one am not into the club scene, I have not been to an event in 4 years. I got tired of the environment, so I would rather listen to the dope beats in my home, in my car or at work. There used to be a pretty heavy pre-release update on 313 and many other lists, but for sometime now all of that has disappeared. I happen to come across certain material here and there but I do not get everything, and whatever I do get I forward it to people who push the records. I collect CD's not vinyl, but whatever vinyl I do get I forward to the local DJ's that are pushing the sound. But before anything I make sure that people are made aware of these releases by every means possible. One day in talking to Larry Heard, I asked him about something pertaining to the Chicago House scene and he said that in the beginning people would go to the clubs and check out the new records being played and then people would run to their local record shop and buy the material, this is how he got into spinning. Anyway the important point that he made was that in the very beginning DJ's were very enthusiastic about letting people know what they were playing. After a while DJ's got greedy, and guess what happened, they started covering the labels of the records because they did not want other DJ's to steal their sound, mind you that these are big names we are talking about here. So you know what happened next, take a guess, this behavior had a major impact on the record business, and the local record shops because people got greedy and everyone got screwed, so much for educating the masses, huh. So the moral of the story his stop hiding your white labels and promos and insight on new material, if you really believe in this music, then do everything in your power to spread the vibes. That is all I was trying to point out. Not who is getting what material, cause that is not what it's about. and another point be careful of the media if you don't know who owns what and what underlies certain records being pushed so much on a commercial and supposed underground (Hidden Commercial Companies. There is allot of money at play here, as Mike Banks put it, MUSIC FOR THOSE WHO KNOW.Think About it, investigate and see for yourself, (Not you in particular, this message is for everyone, especially the New Jacks) j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com Original Message Follows From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:06:12 GMT H'm oh!really ?interesting... I've supported them for a while now, but never get the chance to receive pre release material from them, and I have HARD times to find their releases other here. Later I second this, people who receive material MUST post info and/or comments Later BTW : where is Mercenary ??? show up man! From: JavierDrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:26:11 -0500 How come certain trends on 313 are so easy to follow while others are just ignored, why I ask this is because I know that there are more people on this list that get packages from Submerge or stumbled on certain pre-released material but it is hardly ever discussed. I think one person shared their views on the new V-Max and zero shared anything on the new KMS. What's up, I think it is our duty and responsibility to discuss this material!!! Why do you think we get advanced copies? So that we can spread the word and prepare and let people know that, hey this stuff is gonna be out soon and you know what it is pretty dope, and you know what else you should go out and pick yourself up a copy or hound down your local record shop cause we need to support the UNDERGROUND, what's up folks? Is it me or is there something wrong here? j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com Home of Detroit Influence Reflections Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
Re: [313] Stacey Pullen album
Stacey just finished the album at the beginning of May...it's apparently quite a departure and very much a listening album (whatever that means exactly). I don't know if Science has set a release date as of yet, or if Astralwerks in the US is still committed to releasing it pw In a message dated 7/5/00 5:10:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: has anyone heard the new Stacey Pullen album on the Science label? jason
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AND as far as getting pre releases...you just have to some how get on to the label's press/pr list. most labels have a list of mags and agents they send pre releases/white labels too. sometimes that list is full and they'll say no, but if you can PROVE you should be on that list, they you can get on it. the hard part is just calling every label and getting your name on there and giving the same speech over and over.NOW everybody dont go doin that to get free records and spoilin it for ppl. d From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:50:03 +0200 Derek wrote: Now, as for people who get records because they work at a magazine or something, thats a different story. These people should DEFINANTLY make their voices heard. I totally agree. Now just give me God's phone number and I'll aks him to make every day twice as long and He also should abolish the human need to sleep and relax. I'm 1m83 and weigh 54kilo's. Just a little bit more work and stress and I'll be able to take off in a gust of wind! All of this to say that I very much would like to do reviews on the (few) records I receive, but I simply don't have the time for it. Some of the guys on the list are full-time journalists for music magazines and that's a different story. For me it's a hobby (and 'no' I'm not in it for the money, I don't care). I usually come home from work around 8pm. By the time I have finished eating and checking my mail it's already pretty late. It's quite frustrating this time problem. Does anybody have similar experiences? Oh, BTW, this Axis 20, is it already available in Europe (Belgium)? John P.S. How the hell do you manage to get packages from Submerge? That would be a dream come true! From: JavierDrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:26:11 -0500 How come certain trends on 313 are so easy to follow while others are just ignored, why I ask this is because I know that there are more people on this list that get packages from Submerge or stumbled on certain pre-released material but it is hardly ever discussed. I think one person shared their views on the new V-Max and zero shared anything on the new KMS. What's up, I think it is our duty and responsibility to discuss this material!!! Why do you think we get advanced copies? So that we can spread the word and prepare and let people know that, hey this stuff is gonna be out soon and you know what it is pretty dope, and you know what else you should go out and pick yourself up a copy or hound down your local record shop cause we need to support the UNDERGROUND, what's up folks? Is it me or is there something wrong here? j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] the appeals of repetition...
Haye! I am presently working on some psych-socio theory on repetition in music and why its an attractor to some, and an utter bore to others. I was wondering if there is already some theory, be it music theory and/or psycho-social theory, in which asks and solves this question... What I am avoiding is the usual answer of its in your heart..., ect. I feel that there is a more concrete explination to this appeal, we as arttists tend to be dramatic and vague, i wish to define... I wont get into it now, but I am working on a approach that deals with personality typing (introversion/extroversion, ect.)... this is research for possible academic publication... I once talked to friend of mine and the subject of repetition surfaced. I can't remember what was the actual conversation, but I can recal the general lines. I think a colleague of his was doing some socioligical academical research about hip-hop, and wanted to study the repetition of the beats - vocal hip hop tends to be very repetitive on the beats, they program a phrase a work from there. His teacher told her that there was nothing there to see, so she should direct her effords towards something else. She insisted, and after a lot of work she ended up doing a comparison to african tribes where they play the drums for a long time before the battle, thus inducing a sense of transe and nervousness, raising their adrenalin levels and preparing them for the battle to come. That is true in a lot of cultures close to the drum (see Intertellar Fugitives' notes) the repetition of the drum to induce altered states. That's true too in the Japanese culture, where they spend the whole night playing the Taiko Drums. Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] the appeals of repetition...
Haye! I can agree with this toneshift phenomenon. I think in fact the term is realy right for it, since I've felt it myself several times. However, I don't agree it has anything to do with introvertion/extrovertion of character. It has more to do with what you said about the volume of information and predesposition towards something you *WOULD* expect to hear in the music. Some kind of cognitive phenomenon, for sure. Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - Original Message - From: jesse henning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [313] the appeals of repetition... OK, I am going to very breifly explain the theory(in laymens terms) and I will do so with very broad generalizations to compact this down to a page... An introverted (quiet, withdrawn, anxious) person is such due to a physiological filter system being cranked all the way down, in otherwords, they recieve way too much info sometimes, leading to anxiety, withdrawn behaviors, so forth (sound familiar yet?) The more common defense from this is to either withdraw or to create (artists, ect.). An extroverted type is one whos filtering system is alittle too tight, they need more info to feel satisfied with their senses. These people tend to do exciting things like bungy jump in groups, be very outgoing, bubbly, listen to Ricky Martin, stuff like that. Well, I am proposing that repetition is highly appealing to introverts because it is a perfect balance of incoming info, anything more, such as trance, would create anxiety, often resulting in hostility towards extreme info activity (notice the tendency for tech heads to repel against rave orientated stuff? introvert v. extrovert). I have coined a term, toneshift. Toneshifting is where ultra-repetitive music takes on melody even though this apparant melody isnt really there, but yet some people hear it, some can even hear it in a 4/4 count of untuned highhats after awhile. The Swedes and Beyer have a perfect techno for this. Introverts hear this toneshift due to the fact that they feel no anxiety that s caused by unnecessary info such as words, breakdowns, drumrolls, and they tend to project the natural music in their head if you will, repetition allows them to not feel tension and allows them to feel in a sort of mental comfort zone. Its why an addition of one simple high hat can make some cry (introverts) while the extroverted ones look on in sheer boredom, toneshifting is a personality factored experience... repetition and toneshifting to the introverted personality type appears to be the ultimate way of expression... There are other angles I am researching, such as drug use between the two, intellect, stuff like that... all in all, its very romantic to say it's a undefinable world, and perhaps it is with electronica. But I feel that with the structure and technology we are creating, we will become less and less unique as individuals in the sense we are used to, we may become, or perhaps already are, categorizable (i dont think this is bad BTW, despite my ludite sounding words)... anyways, sorry if I clogged bandwidth, but ths list seems to be the best for dropping out ideas such as toneshifting and views of repetition... thanks again for any further input... darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.sphereproductions.com www.mannequinodd.com Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] the appeals of repetition...
Haye! Has anyone else thought about the reason of Stacey's pseudonymn of Slilent Phase, does it have anything to do with his initials, or is it coincedence. I probably shouldn't think about trivial sh%t like this, just wondering. If it was a conscious decision... CooL Silent Phase was some deep stuff to do with sitting back and biding your time; it was a response to the rave culture of the early 90s which he felt alienated from. The b-side of his Bango track Ritual Beating System on Transmat was Wave The Rave Goodbye and that was credited to A Silent Phase, not Bango. He said that at the time the music seemed like rock'n'roll with a house beat, thus the name of the track was a stand towards the context at the time. The explanation about the credits seems very coherent though. There's an somewhat old interview with him in my site at http://barkingcat.org/counterforce. Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
RE: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question???
Hi Diana, I hear you sister! Getting reviews published is hell esp. when you're only writing them as part of your hobby. The staff writers always go first. So if you do ten reviews, about two get in. And, oh yes, I know the syndrome of people promising you promo's and never sending them. Even after sending the published interview you did with them and reviews on their releases you bought in the store, they still don't care. I hate that. Why don't they just say 'Sorry, I don't have any more promotional copies to spare'. I would never be mad for that, but now you just keep on running to the mailbox hoping that there will be some cool stuff in there. If we were in this for the money or profit we would have long given up right? Keep writing! John ugh.reviews.when i decided to concentrate on school (novel idea eh?)and work 2 jobs, i went to just writing reviews for on-lines.ive been reviewing strictly now for about 2 years for 2 of em. i would say my one big complaint for reviews is getting the material from the people and then finding a place to post it. whenever i see people i always say 'send me your record,so i can review and get it out there' and maybe only a few do send it to me (after taking my info) and once i do get it, i then have to have shop it around and find a place/mag for it to be posted because 1.the editor has to feel someone cares enough to read the review 2.some one else might already be reviewing it. I also always listen to the full piece of material (i dont assume the whole cd sounds like track one,so i dont stop there),which takes time.For me, writing reviews is also like putting your head freely on the chopping block and giving the public the ax. Though i always try and be positive, some sort of informed critism is always needed-which i hate doing-and will always piss some one off. so...now that ive done that semi-off topic tangent,any support lists for music journos? ;0) diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Stacey Pullen album
Stacey Pullen's album Today Is The Tommorow You Were Promised Yesterday is out on 18 September on Science (UK). It looks like it will get an Australian release. Astralwerks (US) say they will release it but won't give a date as yet.
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The fact of the matter is that no one is really making any money, Let's talk about the Underground for a minute, The Artist, the labels, the journalist not one of them makes a dime compared to the big Corporate Headz that found a new market and and exploited the crap out of it. I hope you are aware that there are many so called Underground Labels and magazines that are not Underground, they are owned by big corporate Labels, they control the main market and brainwash people to believe a load of crap, they tie in good artist to screwed up contracts and exploit, EXPLOIT, EXPLOIT!! and some of us ignorant fools who love the music but have no idea about what is going on underneath, are buying into all of their BS Wake Up and break free Rememeber Ken Ishi, poor victim.Corporate Sony Do you think his stuff is still as good as it used to be, cause I don't, remember Juan Atkins, that RS release, thats not Juan, why? Corporate stole the soul. The fact is there is NO money in music journalism, j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Chicago/Detroit/France
Often people on the list counterpoint US techno and European trance and all hell breaks loose. But it's surprising that French music doesn't come up too often, if at all. But there is some fabulous stuff emanating from France right now that wears its love of Chicago and Detroit on its sleeves, and I find that those artists will openly discuss that influence in interviews. What's more these acts are doing interesting things with the music and not merely reproducing it. For one, I cannot recommend Laurent Garnier's recent album enough. But even some of the quirkier stuff like LeTone and Rinocerose is cool and has a certain je ne said quois that you just don't hear anywhere else. I really like the eccentricity in the new wave of French house/techno and I guess you hear that in Carl Craig too, who is often cited an an influence. Anyway, one album that has proved to be a revelation to me is Mirwais'! It's called Production and is quite avant garde. I know I may get some flack for this given his connection with a 'pop' artist (he has been working with Madonna, who lest us not forget came from Michigan) but his album is fantastic! It's got a strong electro/Moroder disco/80s current through it and some of the songs are very emotional, string-layered symphonies that almost have a Detroit flavour. The song he's done with Madonna is magic - it's among the best things she has ever done. It's called Paradise (Not For Me). She is in her tragic diva mode (which I love!) and sounds like Marlene Dietrich. They have cyber-fied the vocals in parts, which is eerie. She sings partly in a (rather spurious) French accent but it is still amazing. It's a little like Visage's Fade To Grey, but then again. Never Young Again is very majestic, a beautiful song; electro sheathed in strings. These two give me the same feeling that the Red Planet classics do, not that it necessarily sounds like that but it conveys the same feeling; it swells with emotion. Mirwais, who is Afghan-French, is not a newcomer; he's been in the underground for a while and was a member of the French group Taxi Girl. I'm gratified that after producing Madonna he intends to step back and only do special projects, projects that stretch me and my potential, (Mixmag, May) and not do as William Orbit has done and seemingly give his sound out to any pop act. He also says: In techno, they're always talking about subversion, well this is my subversion! I'm really looking forward to Madonna's album on the basis of this.
reviews etc..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me it's a hobby (and 'no' I'm not in it for the money, I don't care). I usually come home from work around 8pm. By the time I have finished eating and checking my mail it's already pretty late. It's quite frustrating this time problem. Does anybody have similar experiences? John.. i'm in a similar situation. I work full-time as a Civil Engineering Technologist, and as a hobby i manage to write reviews, host a show, and promote the artists/labels that deserve recognition. I've never been paid to do any of this, nor do i have intentions to be paid. I try my best to mention releases and put together the odd mini-review, but as you stated above, it's difficult when you're also trying to enjoy the summer and relax a bit. 313 content: Sean Deason's new Allegory Metaphor on Intuit Solar is recommended next to Denvery McCarthy's Roughage on Statra, and T. Millar's split 12 on Mad Monkey Rec. Maybe not all Detroit styled, but techno in some shape or form with a sharp edge. ; ) Pietro. _ pietro da sacco :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cjam 91.5 fm saturday mid-2am (est) 9745 lynngrove cr, windsor, ontario, n8r 1b8, canada grooves :: www.groovesmag.com igloo ~coming soon :: www.skimo.com --- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
Re: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question???
Brother hang in there, there is purpose and hope and willI have been doing this for 11 years, few people know my name, let alone my face, I always kept it incognito, I do it for what I believe in and the respect from the artist and DJ's is more than enough pay for me. The memories and feelings can never be replaced by the $$. j.d. Original Message Follows From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 04:27:21 +0900 The fact of the matter is that no one is really making any money, Let's talk about the Underground for a minute, The Artist, the labels, the journalist not one of them makes a dime compared to the big Corporate Headz that found a new market and and exploited the crap out of it. I hope you are aware that there are many so called Underground Labels and magazines that are not Underground, they are owned by big corporate Labels, they control the main market and brainwash people to believe a load of crap, they tie in good artist to screwed up contracts and exploit, EXPLOIT, EXPLOIT!! and some of us ignorant fools who love the music but have no idea about what is going on underneath, are buying into all of their BS Wake Up and break free I think we come from the same place. I have been doing this for five years and believe me I know what goes on but put it this way, a DJ or producer who breaks through will find respect, even if he gets riped off. But who respects journalists? Not even the best ones get respect!! Magazines in Australia are not like those in the UK, the market is smaller and there is less money for publishers. Cheers Cyclone Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question???
The fact is there is NO money in music journalism, j.d. id have to agree here too. Though, there is a way to make money off of journalism...but not enough to fully live on a decent scale unless you are senior editor or something of higher stature..and even then its not a glamorous life. The mags that pay are often very tongue and cheek and BIG and SHINY and are worried about kissing the ass of the 15 minute wonder. I have to give credit however to Hobey Ecklin for bringing some sort of knowledge to Mixer America. I read some articles in some of these bigger magazines and its just sugar and gloss, Hobey at least points to where its due. ive looked into starting my own publication many times just because ive gotten sick of waiting for editors...but alot of money is needed to do so, its something that has to build over time a dream of mine that will probably never really become real fruit. Though its in a coma right now, Massive Magazine-its rise and departure to coma status-is a really good look at how a magazine went from the copier machine and staples to glossy cover and still kept its integrity (beers,gun,trashy women and all)despite money difficulties. Matt Bonde would be a good commentator here (though hes stepped down as lead editor now). there are journalists whose material ive read and it seems they are in it because its a paying gig and they get to be cool. I remember reading an interview with stacey pullen and i actually think thats when i became disgusted with glossy mags-this one in particular. BUT there are the editors that are keeping it all in good check, like Hobey and writers like Dan, in the glossies. i digress a bit here though because writers gotta eat too, and though it seems like some are doing the sell out track in article form-we're doing the best with what we have to work with while meeting alot of ppl's needs-including the editor's, the artist,the label and ours (ours coming last). Lastly i will say over the last five or six years I have probably dished out much much much more for research material (records/phone calls),film and travel expenses for reviews and articles than i have made off of articles (includes CDs,records and entrance fee), but i NEVER have had a moment of regret, its all paid off in the end. choi bellas diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question???
Re: The fact of the matter is that no one is really making any money, Let's talk about the Underground for a minute, The Artist, the labels, the journalist not one of them makes a dime compared to the big Corporate Headz that found a new market and and exploited the crap out of it. The fact is there is NO money in music journalism, I write for an online magazine, I'm strictly volunteer. I make NO money doing this. Not a single penny. I just love music and want the people to hear the music I hear. Most of the time I have to go out and buy the records/CDs myself which gets rather expensive. And since I'm the only writer on staff that is concerned about underground dance music (it's primarily a indie-pop site) I have to do all the hussling to get anything to come my way. It's hard hard work and week after week I burn out completely. There's time I don't even want to look at a computer or try to think of new ways to say 'deep', 'hard', or 'soulful'. If you want to go to www.toastmag.com and check out Circuit Breaker and support the journos out there busting their butts for the music they love. Fred I hope you are aware that there are many so called Underground Labels and magazines that are not Underground, they are owned by big corporate Labels, they control the main market and brainwash people to believe a load of crap, they tie in good artist to screwed up contracts and exploit, EXPLOIT, EXPLOIT!! and some of us ignorant fools who love the music but have no idea about what is going on underneath, are buying into all of their BS Wake Up and break free Rememeber Ken Ishi, poor victim.Corporate Sony Do you think his stuff is still as good as it used to be, cause I don't, remember Juan Atkins, that RS release, thats not Juan, why? Corporate stole the soul. The fact is there is NO money in music journalism, j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Chicago/Detroit/France
I for one definitely agree with you about French Music be it House or Techno, there is a certain quality in it that is hard to find in other music. Please keep us posted on Artist, Labels, Reviews, Compliations and other sources of information that may better assist those who are interested. Thanks. Original Message Follows From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Chicago/Detroit/France Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 04:22:29 +0900 Often people on the list counterpoint US techno and European trance and all hell breaks loose. But it's surprising that French music doesn't come up too often, if at all. But there is some fabulous stuff emanating from France right now that wears its love of Chicago and Detroit on its sleeves, and I find that those artists will openly discuss that influence in interviews. What's more these acts are doing interesting things with the music and not merely reproducing it. For one, I cannot recommend Laurent Garnier's recent album enough. But even some of the quirkier stuff like LeTone and Rinocerose is cool and has a certain je ne said quois that you just don't hear anywhere else. I really like the eccentricity in the new wave of French house/techno and I guess you hear that in Carl Craig too, who is often cited an an influence. Anyway, one album that has proved to be a revelation to me is Mirwais'! It's called Production and is quite avant garde. I know I may get some flack for this given his connection with a 'pop' artist (he has been working with Madonna, who lest us not forget came from Michigan) but his album is fantastic! It's got a strong electro/Moroder disco/80s current through it and some of the songs are very emotional, string-layered symphonies that almost have a Detroit flavour. The song he's done with Madonna is magic - it's among the best things she has ever done. It's called Paradise (Not For Me). She is in her tragic diva mode (which I love!) and sounds like Marlene Dietrich. They have cyber-fied the vocals in parts, which is eerie. She sings partly in a (rather spurious) French accent but it is still amazing. It's a little like Visage's Fade To Grey, but then again. Never Young Again is very majestic, a beautiful song; electro sheathed in strings. These two give me the same feeling that the Red Planet classics do, not that it necessarily sounds like that but it conveys the same feeling; it swells with emotion. Mirwais, who is Afghan-French, is not a newcomer; he's been in the underground for a while and was a member of the French group Taxi Girl. I'm gratified that after producing Madonna he intends to step back and only do special projects, projects that stretch me and my potential, (Mixmag, May) and not do as William Orbit has done and seemingly give his sound out to any pop act. He also says: In techno, they're always talking about subversion, well this is my subversion! I'm really looking forward to Madonna's album on the basis of this. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Axis 20
Are you speculating that Mills is moving on, into more jazzier (or other) waters maybe? Fred From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Axis 20 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 16:06:20 +0900 Actually I am very familiar with the expression as it is widely used throughout English speaking countries (including Australia!); but I feel Jeff is making a point about something by using the expression - ie maybe minimal techno is the dog. Cheers Cyclone Every Dog has its Day is a popular American expression. It just means that everybody gets their chance in the spotlight. Its an old expression. Cyclone Wehner wrote: I haven't heard this as yet but the title strikes me as very strange - 'every dog has its day'. No one so far has commented on this. I am wondering if this relates to the new discussion topic on Axis which basically asks, where to after minimal techno? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
The true pioneers of DJing/electronic music...
This is completely irrelevant, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless. While reading through a history of electronic music I found a mention of some early twentieth century composers, Milhaud and Hindemith, who in the 1920's were experimenting with variable speed turntables in order to create music. It seems that the technique reached its peak (I think this book was written pre hip hop...) in 1939, when John Cage used a number of test tones and other sounds played on turntables at various speeds to actually make a tune - Imaginary Landscape No. 1 So turntablism and cut up tracks are not exactly new... One more interesting fact, the first ever synthesizer was built way back in 1902 by a guy named Thaddeus Cahill, and weighed in at 200 tons. And I thought all this electronic music business was fairly new! Aaron
dj bone
Yeah, DJ Bone is great. Also Buzz Goree (sp?) - finally seeing these names mentioned on the list is cool. I have tapes of them from 7-6 years ago and it's amazing. I can't remember which one (I think Goree) really blew me away with his ability to mix in sort of corny music and make it sound amazing. There were a few NY/garage/near-trance tracks in there pitched way up and sounded so sweet mixed and cut with techno... It's all in the mix and the context, like Red Alert dropping George Michaels, or how Bambataa played Mountain Dew ads in his sets. Or Balihu playing er...Tarzan Boy... environ * 73 mandeville drive * wayne, NJ 07470-6566 * USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.webspan.net/~environ
RE: [313] The best thing.
I have a product that is a free download, that is supposed to turn streams into .mp3 and .wma (windows media player files), but I can only get it to work 20% of the time. The product is called Voquette, and can be found at www.voquette.com ( i believe ) It can get a little annoying, as it sits on the top of everything that you have open (so you can drag links into it). If you don't feel like shelling out 29.95 to download realjukebox, then you should try this guy. Regards, Dennis Donohue From: Oliver Barkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Holly C MacDonald-Korth [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] The best thing. Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:54:34 -0400 Ya Real Player Jukebox at $29.95 is the only product that converts .ra to mp3 what a rip job!! It's because Real Networks has a proprietory format in .ra this makes me so mad ;( -Original Message- From: Holly C MacDonald-Korth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 12:05 PM To: Oliver Barkovic Subject: Re: [313] The best thing. so what did you use real player for? to convert the ra to mp3? thanks for posting this! i have been waiting for a product like this to come out! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
The Fireworks continue 2 night T CLOUD 9.. IT'S HOUSE IT'S HOUSE!!
Ladies Gentlemen,2 night tha air will be hot with NORM TALLEY ( Upstair Asylum prod.),DJ Ray Bone of tha mixx the one only WaxmasterDSmooth (Dugeon Works). Free snacks for the munchie heads, CHEAP DRINKS 2 quinch your thirst, good hot vibes and beutiful people. Doors at 9 pm ladies free till 11 pm. So come on down 2 night and bring a friend or two with u 2 Cloud 9 located in hamtramck on Conant st. 3/4 of a mile south of caniff. 313-923- info. Also a BIG BIG BIG SHOUT OUT 2 all who came down last wk. 2 jackk 2 tha heat... Next wk. Deep Heat guest will be Mr. Terrence Parker banging tha boxx. Thanx u much love 2 all the underground beat bodies. WaxmasterDSmooth along with house jackk ''DO U WANNA FLY''CLOUD 9 Mon,Wed, Fri...
Welcome To Summer Madness!
Terrence Parker and friends present a new experience for those 18 and older, who TRULY believe that MUSIC Is The Key Of Life! The summer madness begins tomorrow evening (July 6, 2000) at 9 o' clock PM. The location is BACHI ABRACCI @ 40 W. Pike Street in downtown Pontiac Michigan USA (PLENTY of PARKING available). Warning: We invite everyone to come and get high off the music. However, drugs are NOT welcome because they distort (not enhance) our vibe! If you have no concept of soul spirit in music, then the vibes presented will be beyond your comprehension. Music interpreters will NOT be on hand to explain it to you! Either you'll catch the vibe, or you wont! www.hometeamdetroit.com ph: 248-332-4139
