emotional track
anyone interested i have a new track up at www.mp3.com/bloch called rebound. quite an emotional track as the title suggests :( says a bit about where i am in my life right now Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go
NYE
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Re: [313] tonight? Motor, Bill VanLoo ect...
Hello, I caught a bit of Clark's set in the beginning of the evening, and he played some excellent cuts, that one really great Norken cut off Soulstatic Bureau comes to mind most readily. Bill Vanloo played the first live set of the evening, and frankly, he played the only one that mattered. I'm lukewarm on his earlier stuff, but Bill really shined tonight. Interesting sound design and percussion programming really made his set stand out. I think Bill is really reaching for something, he gave one of the most refreshing and innovative sets I have heard in along time. It was not perfect and there were rough patches along the way, but they were utterly forgivable because when he was on, HE WAS ON! BVL is the kid to beat in my mind, and he is going to be one of the truly relevant Detroit artists in the next decade. Dale and Walker were all right, they did exactly what you would expect them to do. I give them respect, they both did it better than I could, but at the same time it was uninspiring. They both absolutely nailed the textbook definition of what is supposed to be good electronic dance music at the end of the 90's, but perhaps that was the problem, how relevant is that textbook anymore? bottom line: Bill stole the show(even if the crowd was too dumb to realize what they were hearing) It was raw, not always perfect, but really fresh and it had a real creative fire and a hunger that was lacking in the other more polished sets. Keep your eye on BVL because he will be the one to watch in the next couple years. When he gets his s--t together most of these cats aren't going to be able to touch him. Take care, Mike Taylor Roger John Lesinski Jr wrote: Did anyone go to MOtor tonight to see Dale Lawerence and Stew Walker tonight? How was the live PA's? I would like to hear a good review on what I missed on. I am glad to see more live PA's rather than the ordinary stale d.j sets. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Mills Apollo CD?
Did anyone ever answer this? Cheers an internet site claims they have Jeff Mills - Apollo on CD. Yet i can't find any information on this CD no matter where i look. i have even seen the Tresor dicography. all they have is the Apollo EP and it is a record. so my question is: does the Apollo CD exist?
Re: [313] NYE
I'll be at the NYE gig. Please note that it's not that 'Mad Mike and UR crew are playing in London', this has been widely misinterpreted to mean some kind of live UR show (Time Out among others fell into that). At least as far as I know, and the best word we have is from Cornelius Harris a week or so ago, there will be some some Detroit DJs associated with UR as well as KDJ himself at the party. That ought to be f fine all by itself. It seems like this is a bit of a last hurrah for Gainsborough Studios which have been hosting fairly regular large events this year. I've seen a couple comments in the press and otherwise saying that the renovations there are moving into a new phase early next year. It's already a place where you can stay (for cheap!), they have hostel and BB style rooms there as well as apartments and offices: www.studios92.com It snowed in London this morning! A little dusting, anyway. You 313ers wouldn't even notice... phred
313: moodyman mix
someone posted a URL of a site with a moodyman mix, plus others by theo parish, mike grant etc. can they re-post it please? that MM selection was deep. martin _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
RE: [313] tonight? Motor, Bill VanLoo ect...
Does Bill have any demo's available...maybe a CD...promo stuff? JEFF! -Original Message- From: Michael Taylor [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:09 AM To: Roger John Lesinski Jr Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] tonight? Motor, Bill VanLoo ect... Hello, I caught a bit of Clark's set in the beginning of the evening, and he played some excellent cuts, that one really great Norken cut off Soulstatic Bureau comes to mind most readily. Bill Vanloo played the first live set of the evening, and frankly, he played the only one that mattered. I'm lukewarm on his earlier stuff, but Bill really shined tonight. Interesting sound design and percussion programming really made his set stand out. I think Bill is really reaching for something, he gave one of the most refreshing and innovative sets I have heard in along time. It was not perfect and there were rough patches along the way, but they were utterly forgivable because when he was on, HE WAS ON! BVL is the kid to beat in my mind, and he is going to be one of the truly relevant Detroit artists in the next decade. Dale and Walker were all right, they did exactly what you would expect them to do. I give them respect, they both did it better than I could, but at the same time it was uninspiring. They both absolutely nailed the textbook definition of what is supposed to be good electronic dance music at the end of the 90's, but perhaps that was the problem, how relevant is that textbook anymore? bottom line: Bill stole the show(even if the crowd was too dumb to realize what they were hearing) It was raw, not always perfect, but really fresh and it had a real creative fire and a hunger that was lacking in the other more polished sets. Keep your eye on BVL because he will be the one to watch in the next couple years. When he gets his s--t together most of these cats aren't going to be able to touch him. Take care, Mike Taylor Roger John Lesinski Jr wrote: Did anyone go to MOtor tonight to see Dale Lawerence and Stew Walker tonight? How was the live PA's? I would like to hear a good review on what I missed on. I am glad to see more live PA's rather than the ordinary stale d.j sets. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Alton Miller Perth NYE
Alton Miller was supposed to play in Sydney @ a club called Stateside, but mysteriously his name was dropped off the advert... Not sure what happened. I do hope we get to see him in Sydney. Peace, Patrick. At 8:09 PM +1100 28/12/00, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I just found out that Alton Miller is playing Perth this NYE - I wish I had known earlier!! Has anyone any info on other states - ie Sydney? If so, please post!! Cheers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Agent Patrick - The Sentinel. Southern Outpost, Sydney, AU http://www.southernoutpost.com D E M A N D I N N O V A T I O N
Re: [313] 313: moodyman mix
Try www.beatdownsounds.com or www.frequencydetroit.com It's one of those two, probably beatdownsounds. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: martin clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Thursday, December 28, 2000 7:09 AM Subject: [313] 313: moodyman mix someone posted a URL of a site with a moodyman mix, plus others by theo parish, mike grant etc. can they re-post it please? that MM selection was deep. martin _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] tonight? Motor, Bill VanLoo ect...
I agree. Clark played some beautiful tracks early in the night. Bill's set was deep and dubby at times and really was the most interesting show to the ear and he seemed to be having a great time. Bill made excellent use of filtered synth pads, syncopated rhythms, really nice hi-hat work, big, fat bass lines and an over all gorgeous sound. I think he's really starting to define a sound for himself and a fairly unique one at that. Again full respect for Dale and Stewart. Stewart's show was interesting (it even made my wife want to dance at one point) but it seemed to lack variety. I mostly heard a lot of heavy kick and clicky hi-hats without much in between although he had some interesting rhythmical moments which he probably could have played out a bit longer (that's coming from a stewart walker fan). I heard Dale was having plenty of technical difficulties earlier in the night (broken sampler?). That's too bad as I really wanted to hear his live show but we left after a couple of Dale's tracks as everyone I was with was getting a bit tired. What time did Dale end up playing until? djr From: Michael Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roger John Lesinski Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] tonight? Motor, Bill VanLoo ect... Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 05:08:58 -0500 Hello, I caught a bit of Clark's set in the beginning of the evening, and he played some excellent cuts, that one really great Norken cut off Soulstatic Bureau comes to mind most readily. Bill Vanloo played the first live set of the evening, and frankly, he played the only one that mattered. I'm lukewarm on his earlier stuff, but Bill really shined tonight. Interesting sound design and percussion programming really made his set stand out. I think Bill is really reaching for something, he gave one of the most refreshing and innovative sets I have heard in along time. It was not perfect and there were rough patches along the way, but they were utterly forgivable because when he was on, HE WAS ON! BVL is the kid to beat in my mind, and he is going to be one of the truly relevant Detroit artists in the next decade. Dale and Walker were all right, they did exactly what you would expect them to do. I give them respect, they both did it better than I could, but at the same time it was uninspiring. They both absolutely nailed the textbook definition of what is supposed to be good electronic dance music at the end of the 90's, but perhaps that was the problem, how relevant is that textbook anymore? bottom line: Bill stole the show(even if the crowd was too dumb to realize what they were hearing) It was raw, not always perfect, but really fresh and it had a real creative fire and a hunger that was lacking in the other more polished sets. Keep your eye on BVL because he will be the one to watch in the next couple years. When he gets his s--t together most of these cats aren't going to be able to touch him. Take care, Mike Taylor Roger John Lesinski Jr wrote: Did anyone go to MOtor tonight to see Dale Lawerence and Stew Walker tonight? How was the live PA's? I would like to hear a good review on what I missed on. I am glad to see more live PA's rather than the ordinary stale d.j sets. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [313] emotional track
Peace.. I really dug that track, definitely emotional..it reflects a true state of Scandinavian winter depression..:) I will send u some sunlight from New Mexico and good luck on your recovery! Fahd Al Noor Albuquerque, New Mexico [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 03:40:52 +0100, Christian Bloch wrote: anyone interested i have a new track up at www.mp3.com/bloch called rebound. quite an emotional track as the title suggests :( says a bit about where i am in my life right now Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
Detroit techno isn't techno?
Wonder what people make of this, Christian Smith in our local street mag: People always say that Detroit was the beginning of everything. I think that the early so-called Detroit techno is more house than techno. And when you're talking house it's clear where that got started. Not Detroit, but Chicago. I have many friends in Detroit and regularly DJ at the Motor Lounge. Don't get me wrong, I respect a lot of producers from Detroit. I just think that Detroit has gotten too much attention and Chicago has almost completely been forgotten. What about Adonis, Farley Jackmaster Funk and Marshall Jefferson? You never hear their names as godfathers of house. He has a point about the Chicago people not being given their dues, but early Detroit techno more house than techno? Compared to the mono Swedish stuff that followed maybe Cheers sens = Stop, Dave. I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. : HAL 9000 _ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car..
Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
I think that's why Detroit techno is called Detroit techno, it resides in its own little world... I agree with Christian, early Detroit stuff reminds me a jazzy house more than techno. But I guess the definition of techno has changed... hm... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... search for djdarwin on napster www.sphereproductions.com www.mannequinodd.com www.mp3.com/darw_n - Original Message - From: lo sens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno? Wonder what people make of this, Christian Smith in our local street mag: People always say that Detroit was the beginning of everything. I think that the early so-called Detroit techno is more house than techno. And when you're talking house it's clear where that got started. Not Detroit, but Chicago. I have many friends in Detroit and regularly DJ at the Motor Lounge. Don't get me wrong, I respect a lot of producers from Detroit. I just think that Detroit has gotten too much attention and Chicago has almost completely been forgotten. What about Adonis, Farley Jackmaster Funk and Marshall Jefferson? You never hear their names as godfathers of house. He has a point about the Chicago people not being given their dues, but early Detroit techno more house than techno? Compared to the mono Swedish stuff that followed maybe. Cheers sens = Stop, Dave. I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. : HAL 9000 _ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
London record stores URGENT!!
Hi all, Some time ago I saw a list with London record stores on 313. I'm sure I copied it, but can't find it back in my pile of dead wood and the original file is at work. Could somebody please forward or resend it to my home e-mail? [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm leaving tomorrow morning around 8am CET so there is not much time left. Thanks Other suggestions are welcome as well. John _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, [iso-8859-1] lo sens wrote: Wonder what people make of this, Christian Smith in our local street mag: ?People always say that Detroit was the beginning of everything. I think that the early so-called Detroit techno is more house than techno. And when you're talking house it's clear where that got started. Not Detroit, but Chicago. I have many friends in Detroit and regularly DJ at the Motor Lounge. Don't get me wrong, I respect a lot of producers from Detroit. I just think that Detroit has gotten too much attention and Chicago has almost completely been forgotten. What about Adonis, Farley Jackmaster Funk and Marshall Jefferson? You never hear their names as godfathers of house.? He has a point about the Chicago people not being given their dues, but early Detroit techno more house than techno? Compared to the mono Swedish stuff that followed maybe? I can understand what he's saying. As someone who grew up with both May et al, and Adonis et al, I do think that Chicago's gotten the short end of the stick. It may be because the house infrastructure in Chicago (clubs, radio, etc.) didn't...I don't know, crumble for lack of a better word...the way it did in Detroit. So May, and the others left detroit not only because Europe was offering them the chance to get paid and fly, but because Detroit was NOT offering them this chance. And once they went to Europe we all know what happened. Adonis, Farley, Hurley and the others didn't HAVE to leave Chicago. BUTwith this taken into consideration, it is unfair for Christian to basically say that Chicago created May, Atkins, and Saunderson's sound, JUST to give house credit. He wants to build a movement, I'm with himjust don't do it at the Big THree's expense. peace lks
Seeking Ed
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Re: [313] Anthems, was plastic dreams...
definately :-) stephen wrote: for the spell checkers: Kraftwerk Warehouse stephen. -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it)
SONOX / KLUBRADIO NEW YEAR 2001
SONOX in collaboration with KLUBRADIO presents: Live audio/ video stream from 5 German clubs on new years eve 2001 starting 14.00 - 31.12.2000 and goes on for three days. http://www.sonox.com ___ VENUES ACTS ___ TRESOR / GLOBUS - Berlin, Germany SPACE ODYSSEY 2001 Globus: DAVE (raum...musik, Müller Rec. / Berlin) DJOKER DAAN (BPitch Control / Berlin) TOM CLARK (Highgrade Rec. / Berlin) WIMPY (Electric Ballroom / Berlin) Tresor: CRISTIAN VOGEL (No Future, Tresor Records / Brighton) DASH (Rampe D / Berlin) EVA CAZAL (Berlin / Germany) --- WMF - Berlin, Germany FLOOR1: SPECIAL GUEST HIGHFISH DIRINGER (Nighteffect) MITJA PRINZ DIXON (avd) MATE GALIC (Native Lab) BEN E. CLOCK (WMF Rec) LABOR: BLEED (De:Bug) GUDRUN GUT (Ocean Club) BARBARA PREISINGER (~Scape) POLE T.B.C. (~SCAPE) MANUELA KRAUSE (Solitarie Touring) RAWELL LIVE (WMF Rec./ Electronic Welfare) --- PHONODROME - Hamburg, Germany NIGHT OF SUPERSTITION SPECIAL meets: 3KLANG ANDREAS DABRINK und JUL BEESE Live TOM TRAVOR - LAYA LOPASS ROTATION, STROM DJ SVEN DOHSE DJ BIMMEL DJ AXEL WIRTZ DJ STEREO JACK MONOMELTDOWN Live OSTGUT - Berlin, Germany 2 JAHRE OSTGUT Panorama: SAMMY DEE (Perlon/Neue Welten) ZIP (Perlon/Peak) DAVE (OstGut/Müller Rec./Raum ... Musik) DJOKER DAAN (Electric Incest) OstGut: ANDRÉ GALUZZI (OstGut/Taksi Rec.) TOM CLARK (Gold Plate Music) MARCEL DETTMANN (OstGut) MARIA AM BAHNHOF - Berlin, Germany DANGEROUS DRUMS 2001 a break beat odyssey VELA ED 2000 TOSH COPASETIC SONNENBURG and BEHRINGER ARTZ HOLGI STAR EMERSON DELTA CIRCUIT BREAKER // JANOS
Re: no subject
Don't get me wrong Why is it that this expression always makes me laugh. I just think that Detroit has gotten too much attention and Chicago has almost completely been forgotten. What about Adonis, Farley Jackmaster Funk and Marshall Jefferson? You never hear their names as godfathers of house. He has a point about the Chicago people not being given their dues, but early Detroit techno more house than techno? Compared to the mono Swedish stuff that followed maybe I disagree with him too. I think that Detroit techno has a more clear cut 'genesis' - or a narrative that is easy to re-tell, hence the Belleville three, etc, has become like a story, a fable. I mean obviously there are some people who haven't got their props generally but there is a consensus I think within techno/the informed media that Juan Atkins is the Godfather and that Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson are up there too and what's more those three all agree pretty much on the sequence of events so the tale hasn't fractured. Whereas with Chicago there are many different narratives, so it has all become convoluted. I always credited Frankie Knuckles as the Godfather of house, but Marshall probably is too. And then there's Also techno seems very like a meta-fiction, it's conscious of its own history, culture and context, so maybe that is part of it? People in Chicago I have heard say that there is more unity in Detroit overall, it's less fragmented, so that is another thing to consider. I guess to someone like Christian the seminal techno of Detroit in the 80s sounds like house relative to what he counts as techno - which is the minimal percussive Swedish sound. I think his definition of techno is 'fast music' and that is his template. If anything, a lot of later Chicago house sounds more 'Detroit' and I don't think anyone would deny that influence or wish to. Also I think Christian thinks that those two traditions could be rivals but they are not, they are not competing with each other now.
Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
Don't forget that the Detroit sound was originally dubbed Acid House and speaks to the sound originating from Chicago which very shortly afterwards and simultaneously spawned a bevy of Detroit producers and tracks. Chicago, no doubt, coined a sound that both cities were inflamed with, Detroit just made it a bit freakier at that time and then BOOM...came Inner City's first album which popularized that sound on both sides of the Atlantic. That, perhaps, is the main reason Detroit gets the lion's share of attention, but don't forget and certainly no one from Detroit could argue with the phrase that was journalized about Chi-town: ...Chicago is the center of the dance music universe The Chicago boyz/girls have always had problems with one or another playa-hatin each other. The last super strong enclave that boosted that city's name was Cajual Records with artists like Ron Trent, Chez Damier, Dajae, Boo, Glenn Underground, Paul Johnson and many others producing and putting out rekkids. Chicago was THE place at that time at the same time Detroit was in its 'Heyday. Big problem was that Caj owes all its/his artists, including Dajae BIG-TIME money and royalties. Dajae never got a dime from him...what's up wif dat Guidance is still my big hope for that city and dem boyz are doing well. Yet it's kinda hard for that city to keep it together when things like that happen everyday. They rather lost their sense of unity and that means something in this business. Detroit does have it's dysfunctional aspects and play-haters, but we always seem to come together under the groove and are genuinely happy when one of our own makes us proud. Moreover, the business people behind the scenes there have never been able to help keep it strong, don't know why that is, but it is. When I ran Transmat Records, half of my time was working on marketing and communications with my fellow labels here in Detroit. We WORKED together. Yeah, we would piss and moan, but we always came together and supported each other and I fear that the Chicago folks have to overcome whatever obstacle is preventing them from having their own Electronic Music Festival My thoughts on the subject. From: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lo sens [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno? Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:55:28 -0800 I think that's why Detroit techno is called Detroit techno, it resides in its own little world... I agree with Christian, early Detroit stuff reminds me a jazzy house more than techno. But I guess the definition of techno has changed... hm... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... search for djdarwin on napster www.sphereproductions.com www.mannequinodd.com www.mp3.com/darw_n - Original Message - From: lo sens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno? Wonder what people make of this, Christian Smith in our local street mag: People always say that Detroit was the beginning of everything. I think that the early so-called Detroit techno is more house than techno. And when you're talking house it's clear where that got started. Not Detroit, but Chicago. I have many friends in Detroit and regularly DJ at the Motor Lounge. Don't get me wrong, I respect a lot of producers from Detroit. I just think that Detroit has gotten too much attention and Chicago has almost completely been forgotten. What about Adonis, Farley Jackmaster Funk and Marshall Jefferson? You never hear their names as godfathers of house. He has a point about the Chicago people not being given their dues, but early Detroit techno more house than techno? Compared to the mono Swedish stuff that followed maybe. Cheers sens = Stop, Dave. I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. : HAL 9000 _ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
Oliver Ho has some really, really interesting ideas on this too (his is a fairly post-structuralist view of history, period) and again it hinges on definition, he points to ancient tribal drummers in Africa and Asia and draws a parallel to techno there, etc. The thing is that Juan and co never said 'we invented electronic music' and that is where they have often been misconstrued and misrepresented (I think he said as much Urb??), they just created a music out of other musics and gave it a name and contextualised it. Also with Mills you always get a sense he is really ambivalent about locating techno geographically at all, like he wants to transcend 'Detroit'. These things make it interesting. well, i personally think he has a point with the Chicago stuff as well. I always find it nice to hear an outsider's (meaning some one from outside of detroit) point of view on things. I've observed that there are a lot of diff't views on the history/evolution of _detroit_ techno and Christian's is just one of them. He's a successful producer (though I _personally_ don't care for much of his productions) business man who has traveled the world and met and worked with a lot of producers/DJs. He is _very_ educated- he has a masters in finance or economics i believe- so I'm sure what he was saying wasn't meant in any way to be an attack or any sort, but rather a simple observance based on things he's observed/experienced. When i've traveled and said im from Detroit i've had my even shares of ethusiasm as well as groans. Its become the perception by some that Detroit thinks we are the source for all electronic music existance and those in Detroit sometimes take our privillege too far.It's just people's view and something they are intitled to (if backed up by experience and smarts). d --- lo sens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonder what people make of this, Christian Smith in our local street mag: ìPeople always say that Detroit was the beginning of everything. I think that the early so-called Detroit techno is more house than techno. And when you're talking house it's clear where that got started. Not Detroit, but Chicago. I have many friends in Detroit and regularly DJ at the Motor Lounge. Don't get me wrong, I respect a lot of producers from Detroit. I just think that Detroit has gotten too much attention and Chicago has almost completely been forgotten. What about Adonis, Farley Jackmaster Funk and Marshall Jefferson? You never hear their names as godfathers of house.î He has a point about the Chicago people not being given their dues, but early Detroit techno more house than techno? Compared to the mono Swedish stuff that followed maybeÖ Cheers sens = Stop, Dave. I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. : HAL 9000 _ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
Can't forget that Derrick May credits Can You Feel It as one of the most important songs in his development, and Derrick Carter credits Strings of Life just the same. The supposed fragmentation between the scenes was at more of a ground level, whereas I think the artists always fed off of each other and were very aware of the distinct innovations in each scene. I can kinda see where Christian Smith is coming from, but I think it lacks a timeline. I mean, techno started out like electro, and house started out like deep house in the original sense. As they both progressed you see electro getting a houseyer beat and becoming techno (particularly with May), and you see house in general has gotten farther away from its organic roots. But the bottom line is the scenes grew up together, and you can see how they fed off of each other. Tristan --- laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget that the Detroit sound was originally dubbed Acid House and speaks to the sound originating from Chicago which very shortly afterwards and simultaneously spawned a bevy of Detroit producers and tracks. Chicago, no doubt, coined a sound that both cities were inflamed with, Detroit just made it a bit freakier at that time and then BOOM...came Inner City's first album which popularized that sound on both sides of the Atlantic. That, perhaps, is the main reason Detroit gets the lion's share of attention, but don't forget and certainly no one from Detroit could argue with the phrase that was journalized about Chi-town: ...Chicago is the center of the dance music universe The Chicago boyz/girls have always had problems with one or another playa-hatin each other. The last super strong enclave that boosted that city's name was Cajual Records with artists like Ron Trent, Chez Damier, Dajae, Boo, Glenn Underground, Paul Johnson and many others producing and putting out rekkids. Chicago was THE place at that time at the same time Detroit was in its 'Heyday. Big problem was that Caj owes all its/his artists, including Dajae BIG-TIME money and royalties. Dajae never got a dime from him...what's up wif dat Guidance is still my big hope for that city and dem boyz are doing well. Yet it's kinda hard for that city to keep it together when things like that happen everyday. They rather lost their sense of unity and that means something in this business. Detroit does have it's dysfunctional aspects and play-haters, but we always seem to come together under the groove and are genuinely happy when one of our own makes us proud. Moreover, the business people behind the scenes there have never been able to help keep it strong, don't know why that is, but it is. When I ran Transmat Records, half of my time was working on marketing and communications with my fellow labels here in Detroit. We WORKED together. Yeah, we would piss and moan, but we always came together and supported each other and I fear that the Chicago folks have to overcome whatever obstacle is preventing them from having their own Electronic Music Festival My thoughts on the subject. From: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lo sens [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno? Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:55:28 -0800 I think that's why Detroit techno is called Detroit techno, it resides in its own little world... I agree with Christian, early Detroit stuff reminds me a jazzy house more than techno. But I guess the definition of techno has changed... hm... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... search for djdarwin on napster www.sphereproductions.com www.mannequinodd.com www.mp3.com/darw_n - Original Message - From: lo sens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno? Wonder what people make of this, Christian Smith in our local street mag: People always say that Detroit was the beginning of everything. I think that the early so-called Detroit techno is more house than techno. And when you're talking house it's clear where that got started. Not Detroit, but Chicago. I have many friends in Detroit and regularly DJ at the Motor Lounge. Don't get me wrong, I respect a lot of producers from Detroit. I just think that Detroit has gotten too much attention and Chicago has almost completely been forgotten. What about Adonis, Farley Jackmaster Funk and Marshall Jefferson? You never hear their names as godfathers of house. He has a point about the Chicago people not being given their dues, but early Detroit techno more house than techno? Compared to the mono Swedish stuff that followed maybe. Cheers sens = Stop, Dave. I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can
Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
First of all, we all have to remember that everyone's defintion of techno is different. Heck, some people out there define Moby, FAt Boy Slim, and the Chemical Brothers as techno. To some, techno means the swedish sound (i.e. Beyer, Smith, Lekebusch ect.). Of course, the majority of the folks on this list define techno as something that originated with the detroit sound and was carried on further. The term techno is not only misrepresented alot, but used in many situations that makes it a hard word to pin down a distinct definition to. Obviously, The music that the Belville three were making was techno as they titled it thus, but the discrepancy of terms is in the listeners not the creators. This would give someone like Christian Smith the grounds to use techno as a word defining a music, and cunfuse us as to what music he is talking about. I think personally that the influence of Chicago House is very strong, though I live in Chicago. Whenever a big-name DJ spins a set here in Chicago, whether it be Derrick May, or even Adam Beyer, or Sven Vaeth, they tend to play different than they would if they were in Frankfurt, Detroit, or Stockholm. That is the nature of these cities in which musics were created. Chicago influences people to play Housier sets, as Detroit influences the Techno side of things. I can understand what he's saying. As someone who grew up with both May et al, and Adonis et al, I do think that Chicago's gotten the short end of the stick. It may be because the house infrastructure in Chicago (clubs, radio, etc.) didn't...I don't know, crumble for lack of a better word...the way it did in Detroit. So May, and the others left detroit not only because Europe was offering them the chance to get paid and fly, but because Detroit was NOT offering them this chance. And once they went to Europe we all know what happened. Adonis, Farley, Hurley and the others didn't HAVE to leave Chicago. I agree with this. I think that the hot mix 5 and all of the others didn't have to leave chicago, as well as the fact that, outside of Chicago, different things were being played. That, I believe, is what has led to the stylistic impact of artists playing in Chicago. Chicago will always have that intense House blood flowing in its veins... unfortunately, I grew tired of it quickly... Cheers everyone! Dennis Donohue From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lo sens [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno? Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:05:21 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, [iso-8859-1] lo sens wrote: Wonder what people make of this, Christian Smith in our local street mag: People always say that Detroit was the beginning of everything. I think that the early so-called Detroit techno is more house than techno. And when you're talking house it's clear where that got started. Not Detroit, but Chicago. I have many friends in Detroit and regularly DJ at the Motor Lounge. Don't get me wrong, I respect a lot of producers from Detroit. I just think that Detroit has gotten too much attention and Chicago has almost completely been forgotten. What about Adonis, Farley Jackmaster Funk and Marshall Jefferson? You never hear their names as godfathers of house. He has a point about the Chicago people not being given their dues, but early Detroit techno more house than techno? Compared to the mono Swedish stuff that followed maybe I can understand what he's saying. As someone who grew up with both May et al, and Adonis et al, I do think that Chicago's gotten the short end of the stick. It may be because the house infrastructure in Chicago (clubs, radio, etc.) didn't...I don't know, crumble for lack of a better word...the way it did in Detroit. So May, and the others left detroit not only because Europe was offering them the chance to get paid and fly, but because Detroit was NOT offering them this chance. And once they went to Europe we all know what happened. Adonis, Farley, Hurley and the others didn't HAVE to leave Chicago. BUTwith this taken into consideration, it is unfair for Christian to basically say that Chicago created May, Atkins, and Saunderson's sound, JUST to give house credit. He wants to build a movement, I'm with himjust don't do it at the Big THree's expense. peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
It's quite obvious that he has never listened to any Model 500 or Cybotron! Peace, Patrick. At 11:55 AM -0800 28/12/00, darw_n wrote: I think that's why Detroit techno is called Detroit techno, it resides in its own little world... I agree with Christian, early Detroit stuff reminds me a jazzy house more than techno. But I guess the definition of techno has changed... hm... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... search for djdarwin on napster www.sphereproductions.com www.mannequinodd.com www.mp3.com/darw_n - Original Message - From: lo sens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno? Wonder what people make of this, Christian Smith in our local street mag: People always say that Detroit was the beginning of everything. I think that the early so-called Detroit techno is more house than techno. And when you're talking house it's clear where that got started. Not Detroit, but Chicago. I have many friends in Detroit and regularly DJ at the Motor Lounge. Don't get me wrong, I respect a lot of producers from Detroit. I just think that Detroit has gotten too much attention and Chicago has almost completely been forgotten. What about Adonis, Farley Jackmaster Funk and Marshall Jefferson? You never hear their names as godfathers of house. He has a point about the Chicago people not being given their dues, but early Detroit techno more house than techno? Compared to the mono Swedish stuff that followed maybe. Cheers sens = Stop, Dave. I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. : HAL 9000 _ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Agent Patrick - The Sentinel. Southern Outpost, Sydney, AU http://www.southernoutpost.com D E M A N D I N N O V A T I O N
