demf site is back
http://www.demf.org http://www.electronicmusicfest.com Pardon the unplanned interruption. Enjoy the site. Plan your schedules. -- There4IM
speedy j contact info?
Just wondering if anyone knew what the lines of communication are needed to book speedy j. I know someone who needs this info. thanks. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [313] minor techno
Here are a couple favorites that are still being pressed last I checked. Fred giannelli yoni warshiptektite Laurent garnier acid Eiffel Dark Comedy Corbomite maneuver transmat -Original Message- From: crisk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:44 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] minor techno hey all, i'm looking for that minor sound. those minimal tracks with eerie, sad, minor strings giving them that unmistakenable feel.. i realized i just don't get to hear many such tracks, and so i buy only what i manage to find.. i gathered the collective knowledge of this list could help me with this 'techno educational' project... i'll list a few tracks so you could zoom in the style i'm after - mike wade - requiem (b1 on 'first breath' ep / archetype) jeff mills- if (all three 'if' on the if ep) hidden rivals - early days (on the early days ep. / brave new world) s.l. session - needle drama [sls' octave mix] (from 'remixes v1' / cycle) mistress barbara - my passion for you (a1 on '666 fvw' / primevil) dave clarke - parameter (on 'directional force' / sonic groove) these are all the tracks i could find in my box that follow this style... obviously a sad testimonial.. but i intend to fix that. recommendations will be highly appreciated... thanks, -- crisk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Billy Nasty - Help w/Interview?
Billy Nasty: Hey, were those phreaky Billy Nasty house mix tapes I picked up at high street kensington market in london back in 1993 authorized by you or what? regardless, they rool my [EMAIL PROTECTED] i still rate them as my #1 mixtapes ever... mega greets from the olde tyme fans!!
Re: [313] Billy Nasty - Help w/Interview?
Yes, and zoom was a record store as well right? i think he was clerking there.
Re: [313] Magda mix
its an old wolfgang voight track and was on one of the kreisel 7s that came out each week of 1999 -- From: Andrew James Hegler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Magda mix Date: 10. Apr.200119:49 I have a 6 track magda mix on cd, no title. A friend burned it for me but I don't believe it was titled when he bought it. Each of the six tracks is comprised of multiple songs. There's a song on the third track at about 11 minutes, with a sample that repeats how's that?. Anyone know this track? Or even better, does anyone have a tracklisting for this mix? The third track which includes the track that I am curious about begins with XZX by ADULT. There are a lot of tracks on that mix with some pretty smooth percussion. Thanks, Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: sample ID (from Axis 11 and BFC's Galaxy)
pretty sure it's los ninos del parque From: .: Caltrop :. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Which Liaisons Dangereuses song did jeff mills and carl craig sampled from for axis 11 and bfc galaxy(fragile)? ** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) **
Re: [313] Brinkmann\Morningstar [LONG]
This is a bit of an old thread but I never got around to responding at the time. I recommend that people check out Philip's interview with TB at: www.urbansounds.com/us_current/thumbnail/brinkmann_1.html (It inspired me). It inspired me too. I just tried cutting up some records with my pocketknife, and you can in fact hear the record through the blade if you hold it properly during playback (so that the edge is tangent to the groove) -- Cafard, [EMAIL PROTECTED] qu'est-ce que tu penses? AIM:pr0j2501 Matt Kane's Brain http://mkb.n3.net ===jive turkey http://jive-turkey.n3.net===
T-Shirt Voting
Okay folks, I've finally gotten all the technical glitches fixed(hopefully, so bear with me) and you can now see the submissions for the 313 list t-shirt as well as vote for your favorite design. The link following is where the designs are located. To vote send a message to the address on the bottom of the web page and enter the letter of your favorite design in the SUBJECT line. No need to type a message...the subject will do fine. It's up to you to narrow it down and vote only for you favorite. I will dispense with any florida jokes at this point. If anyone should encounter any problems with the site let me know and I'll do my best to address those asap. I will be 'closing the poles' so to speak at midnight est. on Saturday. So you've got four days to vote. As always, any questions...just reply and I will try to help. here's the link: http://www.313shirt.50megs.com thanks everyone, dave
Re: [313] R: [313] Billy Nasty - Help w/Interview?
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but apparently his Journeys by DJ CD was one of the first mix CDs. I've also heard that 'Nasty' is derived from 'Nastri'. More background info (in addition to the links already posted) on him here: http://www.rocketsciencemedia.com/djfoc.html You might ask him if he is aware that a lot of budding Dublin DJs in 1994 and 1995 would trainspot any set he played and try to find as many of the records as possible. - Original Message - From: Erin Swenson-Healey To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 5:23 PM Subject: [313] Billy Nasty - Help w/Interview? I am going to partake in an interview with Billy Nasty this weekend, but, I don't know much about him aside from the fact that he spins a lot of drumcode records. Would anyone here on this list (I realize that he's not exactly a detroit-native, heh) like me to ask him some questions for them, as I will post the whole interview sometime next week. Any help would be appreciated! Erin Swenson-Healey
Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions
i would not bet that M is on chain reaction, its not It's kind of difficult to tell from the vinyl (not very much info is given), but I have seen the M-series variously described as being on 'M' records, 'Maurizio' records and as being no label releases. The Maurizio CD that contains most of the M-series is often listed as being part of the Chain Reaction label discography.
RE: [313] off topic, UK 313'ers only
::: :::I'll apologise right now for this one, total waste of band-width and only :::applicable to uk 313'ers, but I think eveyone can see the humour in this. ::: :::As some of you may know there is a census coming :::around on August the 7th [UK Only]. has anyone bothered to check this as there definitely is a census being done in australia on that date are you sure there is one in the uk aswell andrew
RE: [313] demf site is back
http://www.demf.org http://www.electronicmusicfest.com Pardon the unplanned interruption. Enjoy the site. Plan your schedules. -- There4IM Anyonbe who has a spare copy last years best-seller: 'How to clone yourself for the DEMF'. ;) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions
- Original Message - From: Jenny Cigarettes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: berislav oremus [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions i would not bet that M is on chain reaction, its not It's kind of difficult to tell from the vinyl (not very much info is given), but I have seen the M-series variously described as being on 'M' records, 'Maurizio' records and as being no label releases. The Maurizio CD that contains most of the M-series is often listed as being part of the Chain Reaction label discography. For the full story on Basci Channel, etc go here: http://home.snafu.de/circonium/music/ Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
DEMF plans for people outside the U.S.
With the DEMF less than two months away, I'm sure many people outside the U.S. have already planned or are making plans to make the trek to Detroit. I'm working on a story about global attraction to this event and I'd be interested in talking to people about their travel plans. Doesn't matter if you attended last year or not. Please email me back privately. Thanks! oh yeah...also - Anyone in the Bay Area catch Cari Lekebusch and Joel Mull last Thursday? Lekebusch was especially good, I thought. Billy Nasty is playing this Thursday.
RE: [313] BC 09/suggestions
For the full story on Basci Channel, etc go here: http://home.snafu.de/circonium/music/ Or here http://www.thewire.co.uk/out/9905_1p.htm
Re: [313] speedy j contact info?
I would imagine Mute Records could help with this. I'm sending you an address in a seperate private mail. Incidentally Speedy J has a new Electric Deluxe release coming on, of all labels, Additive (Positiva sub-label). It comes with a Smith Selway remix. TOM Just wondering if anyone knew what the lines of communication are needed to book speedy j. I know someone who needs this info. thanks. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] off topic, UK 313'ers only
As far as I know the census is later this month, not in August. Still... TOM ::: :::I'll apologise right now for this one, total waste of band-width and only :::applicable to uk 313'ers, but I think eveyone can see the humour in this. ::: :::As some of you may know there is a census coming :::around on August the 7th [UK Only]. has anyone bothered to check this as there definitely is a census being done in australia on that date are you sure there is one in the uk aswell andrew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] re: sample ID (from Axis 11 and BFC's Galaxy)
but not the original version though, right? DJ Sneak was using that (original) sample for the remix of the Auto Repeat track 'Needle Damage' From: Conway, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] re: sample ID (from Axis 11 and BFC's Galaxy) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:59:33 +1000 pretty sure it's los ninos del parque From: .: Caltrop :. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Which Liaisons Dangereuses song did jeff mills and carl craig sampled from for axis 11 and bfc galaxy(fragile)? ** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Mp3, vinyls, CD, etc
Hi peepz, I've been following the medium-discussion for a while now, there have been solid arguments from all parties, but in the end I think it all comes down to this: everybody has a preferred way of listening and playing his of her favourite music. There ain't no right or wrong is this matter, there are just different ways. I myself prefer vinyl, because IMO no other medium has up till now reached the sound of vinyl played on a good turntable with a good soundsystem. I have this old Hitachi-amp hooked up to my mixer and that dusty, grey, hot as hell after 20 minutes at level 10 baby gives me a sound compared to which all digital sound seems cold and too clean. And no matter which technologies will come into being in the future I'm pretty sure that vinyl will not cease to exist in my lifetime, especially not if I read all the posts from people who prefer it as well on this list. And for those people who do prefer MP3's and digital sound, just go ahead and enjoy the music as much as I do. And if one day there will be a deejay playing at the same venue as I, only using MP3's, well, if he plays good tracks I'll have a party, and if he sucks I'll tell him so, and that will have to do with the music and not the medium. RD Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com
Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are.
I think alot of the quality of the audio goes out the window after digital quantizantion. Something I don't understand here - so much music is made with samplers and other digital devices, so presumably the sound coming out is quantised to 16-bit/44.1KHz by definition anyway - how can writing that quantised sound onto vinyl suddenly give it a better dynamic range / quality ? I suspect there's a bit of retro-fetishism going on here (not that there's anything wrong with that - just that vinyl rules for reasons other than sound quality). Debates r.e. the quality of mp3 files are mainly irrelevant at present since the primary point of mp3 files is swapping, i.e. you take what you can get in terms of bitrate. Sure, higher bitrates sound better, but most extant files are lower bitrate. Since it's a lossy compression system there will always be a difference, and the louder the P.A. the more audible that difference will be. Personally I'm not ready to make the switch yet, though I do play with WAVs off a puter. :-) (-: Ash --autopilot-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.autopilot.co.uk
RE: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are.
Debates r.e. the quality of mp3 files are mainly irrelevant at present since the primary point of mp3 files is swapping, i.e. you take what you can get in terms of bitrate. Sure, higher bitrates sound better, but most extant files are lower bitrate. Since it's a lossy compression system there will always be a difference, and the louder the P.A. the more audible that difference will be. Personally I'm not ready to make the switch yet, though I do play with WAVs off a puter. And the point of that finalscratch software is that it uses decks to manipulate ANY digital sound source i.e. 24bit 96khz Wavs if you wanted. But yeah I love analog and digital sound so more choice is better for me. Steve
other lists? (kind of OT)
I'm not unsubbing to 313, but can anyone point me towards other good mailing lists/newsgroups for techno/dance/electronic music? TOM
Kevin Krahel Track Review
Kevin Krahel Track review These are tracks that I am reviewing for inclusion into a new mp3.com station exclusively for [313] members. Instead of just cramming all the tracks up there, I decided to review them and provide accurate info about each one. Unfortunately, this leads to a station full of tracks that I enjoy (mostly Detroit), but hey. I'm doing the station!:) I didn't have time to listen to them all yet, so I just checked the Detroit tracks this time... Changeling... Ok, where can I buy this track on vinyl. This Kevin Krahel is someone who obviously is very familiar with Detroit Style electronic music. I can feel Carl Craig and Derrick May influence all over this track. The lead synth slow down in the middle is sweet! Moody Starts off with off-tempo drums, tricking the listener into thinking the Kev doesn't know what he's doing. That's my style and I'm moody as well! Uh oh, here comes the bass-line. Nice, heavy, and beautifully offset by a nice lead stab. No way! Old school stuff kickin' in here! This track is moody. I'm talkin' old school snare/kick break down with old school stab-line and record scratch included. Don't really care for the linearly, upword-sloping, stab pattern, but hang on here comes a break down. I'll get back to you in a second... Nice change up brother. This song takes an uppity track and transforms it into lo profile, ufo landing-type of groove. Very nice addition to the station. Internal O.k. I've heard this before. I think I've seen this track on the charts. Once again a nice display of Detroit style knowledge all the way from Texas. I'd like to get this track on vinyl. It would be a nice transition track. Hey cool vox. I like when the heavy beat kicks in 3/4 a way thru the song. This guy is good with the keys... In My Hair This one has some funk to it. Nice, funky, bass-guitar bassline is always a good way to start off a track, IMHO. It is nicely offset by soft triangle noises. This track is very full. Overall, Changeling is my fav. Or maybe Moody is my fav. Eh, they are both great tracks. Check them out if you haven't already... www.mp3.com/kevinkrahel Wraith313 www.mp3.com/wraith313 -Keep it real. Don't let the real keep you!- PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are.
needle resonance can add dynamics if mastered properly. 154
Re: [313] Billy Nasty - Help w/Interview?
Ask him about his newly started electro label. janos At 06:00 PM 4/10/2001 +, Geoffrey Richards wrote: Erin, I am curious if he produces music. Also, what is his tie with tortured records--i was led to believe he is involved somehow when i bought a umek douple on that label that mentioned billy nasty had a mix cd with tortured material on it. -rorschach ps i got a chance to see him play in manchester, uk in ~oct, 1997, at some small club--but most people were at some huge fantasia cheese-core party the same night. tell him some stranger enjoyed his set. From: Erin Swenson-Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Billy Nasty - Help w/Interview? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:23:24 -0700 I am going to partake in an interview with Billy Nasty this weekend, but, I don't know much about him aside from the fact that he spins a lot of drumcode records. Would anyone here on this list (I realize that he's not exactly a detroit-native, heh) like me to ask him some questions for them, as I will post the whole interview sometime next week. Any help would be appreciated! Erin Swenson-Healey - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan Andersson AR / Editor. Ph + 46(0)8.7298807 Fax ...+46(0)8.7298816 Cell .+46(0)708.405077 Adress:.. .P.O.Box.. 21127 Tomtebogatan 36 ...SE-10031 ..Stockholm ..Sweden
vinyl - digital
Actually, I was at a few Saturday Morning Physics lectures a few years ago at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. For three weeks in a row, the physics of music was discussed. A lot of material was covered and all of it was extremely interesting ... and all easilly understandable for anyone who knows the slightest about music. Anyways, believe it or not, the third and final lecture was devoted to the vinyl - vs - digital argument. Everything technical was covered, but basically thrown out towards the end of the lecture. I can't remember the name of the guy that gave these lectures, but he has been studying the subject consistently for years and has a phd in physics. Basically, what it all came down to in the end, is that vinyl sounds better, because it has a sense of dimension that no digital recording can have. Most people understand how a record player works, basically. The same people have no clue how a CD player or MP3 player works. They know, I push this button and this happens. What they don't know is how 0100101010101 turns in to a groove. A good question is whether or not this affects a person's feelings for the music. It appears that it does. Most people are willing to say that a vinyl recording has a sense of depth that a digital one does not. Why? This physics guy proposed that, even when a recording is digitally mastered and then put on vinyl, it will sound better than the straight digital recording ... for a few reasons. The main reason is that vinyl isn't perfect. You have factors such as dust, needle hiss, small wobbles, and such. Think about going to a concert or something. Your senses take in a lot more than just the music. You hear the crowd, people talking, the air conditioning system in the building, cough drop wrappers ... whatever. These variables aren't consistent, and neither are the impurities in a vinyl recording. A good digital recording is usually an attempt to remove anything besides the music. This guy actually proposed that digital music players such as CD players and such could put this depth back in to the music. He suggested that digital companies start putting a dial on their machines that says warmth and injects needle hiss when turned. I definitely like vinyl a lot more than digital. But, this is overshadowed by the fact that I'm a student and vinyl in Sweden in pretty expensive. I have three KMS records, and one from Sean Deason. I have a ton of CD's. You just have to work with what is available and have fun with it. Believe it or not, shifting through all the junk on free music mp3 sites can turn up some good stuff. I've found a few tracks on mp3.com and some house sites that I'm absolutely in love with right now. It can be hard to find though. Getting more vinyl is definitely something I look forward to.. Later - Jason Hill - Sidehop Curator - http://www.sidehop.com - ICQ: 3133747
vinyl - digital
While we're on the subject, does anyone have any idea why freezing cd's improves them? I've heard about this technique and it does wonders, but I just don't understand why! Basically, you put a cd in the freezer for 48 hours, then slowly warm it up by putting it in the bottom of the fridge and then the top, for something like 12 hours. It makes such a huge improvement to the sound, try it. But why? Most people understand how a record player works, basically. The same people have no clue how a CD player or MP3 player works. They know, I push this button and this happens. What they don't know is how 0100101010101 turns in to a groove. A
Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are.
Ash wrote: Something I don't understand here - so much music is made with samplers and other digital devices, so presumably the sound coming out is quantised to 16-bit/44.1KHz by definition anyway - how can writing that quantised sound onto vinyl suddenly give it a better dynamic range / quality ? I always thought the same as well, but last year when we had the first Ground Zero and TechnoTourist releases cut, I became a convert (and I think Hans and KJ too). We had the tracks on DAT, listened to them in the cutting studio to determine the final EQ adjustments and they sounded good. Then they were cut and we briefly listened back to the lacquer and our collective jaws dropped in disbelief at how much better, deeper, warmer and groovier the tracks sounded. NSC's magic worked. Not much of an explanation, I admit, but still. Otto
FW: [313] vinyl - digital
While we're on the subject, does anyone have any idea why freezing cd's improves them? I've heard about this technique and it does wonders, but I just don't understand why! Basically, you put a cd in the freezer for 48 hours, then slowly warm it up by putting it in the bottom of the fridge and then the top, for something like 12 hours. It makes such a huge improvement to the sound, try it. But why? I believe its something to do with the opacity of the plastic changing at different temperatures, so at lower temps it is 'more transparent', something to do with the refractive index of the plastic. Therefore there is less distortion of the laser passing through the plastic at lower temps, But I could be wrong, no one seems to agree on this :) Steve
Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are.
I think alot of the quality of the audio goes out the window after digital quantizantion. Something I don't understand here - so much music is made with samplers and other digital devices, so presumably the sound coming out is quantised to 16-bit/44.1KHz by definition anyway - how can writing that quantised sound onto vinyl suddenly give it a better dynamic range / quality ? exactly - even the tracks made with all analgue synths and drum machines are generally mastered to DAT, which is if i remember right 16 bit 44khz, same as CD. then again, maybe those people who make vinyl masters know some sort of magic that un-quantizes your digital recording? yeah, that must be it. cause, y'know, vinyl is better. i hate technology, that's why i play techno!
Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] needle resonance can add dynamics if mastered properly. Which raises the question, can needle resonance be simulated in a purely digital domain ? Or does it occur at frequencies above the audible / 22.05 KHz range ? After all, pickups are mechanical devices, so they should have quite low resonant frequencies. :-) (-: Ash --autopilot-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.autopilot.co.uk
juan atkins
anyone know if Juan Atkins 'Sonic Sunset' is available on cd??? thanks jason
technasia
Hi, Can someone on this list tell me what Technasia are like when they play live and/or when they dj?? what do they play or what kind of tunes do they spin? has anybody heard them live?? Thanks in advance! Martijn Searchline IIC Van Breestraat 154 P.O. Box 9292 1006 AG Amsterdam The Netherlands Tel: +31 (0)20 578 86 86 Fax: +31 (0)20 662 92 81 http://www.searchline-iic.com Disclaimer: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies(wich may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from Searchline IIC, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient.If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the system manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions
M1 a.k.a Domina was released in 1994, CR01 was released in 95. Kinda hard for the birth of the parent to happen after the child. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: Jenny Cigarettes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: berislav oremus [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions i would not bet that M is on chain reaction, its not It's kind of difficult to tell from the vinyl (not very much info is given), but I have seen the M-series variously described as being on 'M' records, 'Maurizio' records and as being no label releases. The Maurizio CD that contains most of the M-series is often listed as being part of the Chain Reaction label discography. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are.
.. which reminds me, *sort of* on topic, and *sort of* a plug, kinda... for those interested in new [digital] DJing technology and in the London UK area. As I've mentioned before, I'm currently working [privately] on an experimental DJ software project called hummingbird. Runs on a Wintel PC, controlled through a fostex midi controller, gives you 8 channels of wav audio, beatmatched offline, with much enhanced control over the music. Having 8 decks at your disposal (and being able to switch tracks in seconds) lets you play much more musically - the process is like live remixing as much as DJing. I'll playing an IDM/electro/eclectic set with the pre-alpha version in London on Friday April 20th, at a club called the Rhythm Factory. I'd very much like to meet and talk to others involved with or interested in new/digital DJ/performance tech, so if you're in the area, pop me a mail and I'll try and get you on the guest list - I think it's a fiver to get in otherwise cheers :-) (-: Ash --autopilot-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.autopilot.co.uk
Re: [313] juan atkins
Yep, it definately came out on CD... sorry don't have the Catalog number handy. Peace, Patrick. At 1:50 PM +1000 11/4/01, Jason wrote: anyone know if Juan Atkins 'Sonic Sunset' is available on cd??? thanks jason - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Agent Patrick - The Sentinel. Southern Outpost, Sydney, AU http://www.southernoutpost.com D E M A N D I N N O V A T I O N
Re: [313] vinyl - digital
Back in 1991-1992 a rumor floated around that if you colored the edge of your cd's with a green marker, they would sound better. Car audio nuts were buying into it until someone proved it false. When I worked at Jam Sounds during those years, lots of people tried it and said to me ... the music sounds the same, what's the big deal? This is similar. The data on a CD is still going to be the same, cold or warm. It'll sound no different. Paul Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/11/2001 07:00:20 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: [313] vinyl - digital While we're on the subject, does anyone have any idea why freezing cd's improves them? I've heard about this technique and it does wonders, but I just don't understand why! Basically, you put a cd in the freezer for 48 hours, then slowly warm it up by putting it in the bottom of the fridge and then the top, for something like 12 hours. It makes such a huge improvement to the sound, try it. But why? Most people understand how a record player works, basically. The same people have no clue how a CD player or MP3 player works. They know, I push this button and this happens. What they don't know is how 0100101010101 turns in to a groove. A - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] technasia
Having never seen either of them play, I can't say. Go to the homepage and click on events and scroll to the bottom of the section dj set and live set downloads. Their tracks are solid, I'll say that much. /.pushing your shadow.\ -Original Message- From: Martijn de Blaauw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:01 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:[313] technasia Hi, Can someone on this list tell me what Technasia are like when they play live and/or when they dj?? what do they play or what kind of tunes do they spin? has anybody heard them live?? Thanks in advance! Martijn Searchline IIC Van Breestraat 154 P.O. Box 9292 1006 AG Amsterdam The Netherlands Tel: +31 (0)20 578 86 86 Fax: +31 (0)20 662 92 81 http://www.searchline-iic.com Disclaimer: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies(wich may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from Searchline IIC, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient.If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the system manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions
The Maurizio CD that contains most of the M-series is often listed as being part of the Chain Reaction label discography. yes and one of the tracks that are on m series cd is on main street also(MSR06) but it doesnt mean that all series are on main street. and that is all another story. b.
Re: [313] juan atkins
Sonic Sunet is RS 94043. r./ Benn [Royal] Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net phone: +61 (0) 413 316 618 mail: R720 Royal Exchange NSW 1225 Australia :My boys they try schoolin' me :But see I know what I want :Someone who'll be there for the whole nine :This honey is so fine :But now she's hung up the line At 11:12 PM 11/04/2001 +1000, you wrote: Yep, it definately came out on CD... sorry don't have the Catalog number handy. Peace, Patrick. At 1:50 PM +1000 11/4/01, Jason wrote: anyone know if Juan Atkins 'Sonic Sunset' is available on cd??? thanks jason - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Agent Patrick - The Sentinel. Southern Outpost, Sydney, AU http://www.southernoutpost.com D E M A N D I N N O V A T I O N - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: [313] vinyl - digital
-Original Message- From: Steven Taylor Sent: 11 April 2001 14:32 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [313] vinyl - digital This is similar. The data on a CD is still going to be the same, cold or warm. It'll sound no different. Obviously the data on the CD will be the same but thats a pretty abstract statement!! Its the retrieval of data from the CD where the error rate comes into play and the CD player will start interpolating or oversampling to compensate. It seems pretty clear that if the optical properties of the plastic change with temperature that this could radically change the way the laser reads the CD and alter the error rate. The sound produced from the same CD in various players is not solely defined by the D/A process. Steve
More noise, clicks and dubby delays
New track at http://mp3.com/bloch called Rauschfaktor Just returned from playing at Tresor in Berlin (6th of April 2001), and was inspired by the trip to make this track. Dubby chords, clicks en masse and quite a lot of noise Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go/Restructured
FW: [313] vinyl - digital
While we're on the subject, does anyone have any idea why freezing cd's improves them? I've heard about this technique and it does wonders, but I just don't understand why! Basically, you put a cd in the freezer for 48 hours, then slowly warm it up by putting it in the bottom of the fridge and then the top, for something like 12 hours. It makes such a huge improvement to the sound, try it. But why? I believe its something to do with the opacity of the plastic changing at different temperatures, so at lower temps it is 'more transparent', something to do with the refractive index of the plastic. Therefore there is less distortion of the laser passing through the plastic at lower temps, But I could be wrong, no one seems to agree on this :) Steve - Something to do with a Voo Doo Doll? Think about it folks, this isn't a record, you can't change what's on the CD or how it's read, all you can do is obstruct it, or clear an obstruction, and a CD player with good oversampling isn't going to be obstructed easily, and when it is, it just skips ahead. There's no magical missing bit that gives it warmth or clarity this is just good old fashioned technophobia, no different than the old bs of using a green or blue highlighter around the rim. people want to believe they can fix or better technology that is far beyond their grasp. Charlie _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [313] FW: [313] vinyl - digital
Something to do with a Voo Doo Doll? Think about it folks, this isn't a record, you can't change what's on the CD or how it's read, all you can do is obstruct it, or clear an obstruction, and a CD player with good oversampling isn't going to be obstructed easily, and when it is, it just skips ahead. There's no magical missing bit that gives it warmth or clarity this is just good old fashioned technophobia, no different than the old bs of using a green or blue highlighter around the rim. people want to believe they can fix or better technology that is far beyond their grasp. Youve answered your own question! The more it skips ahead and the greater the error rate the less accurate the sound reproduction will be or is that Voodoo as well?... lol. steve
[313] Fwd: SATURDAY NIGHT EVENT : AUDIODROME
4 those in NY this wk/end... Forwarded Message: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sonic Groove Records Subject: SATURDAY NIGHT EVENT : AUDIODROME Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:51:41 -0400 (EDT) - Saturday, April 14, 20001 Byron Williams presents: A U D I O D R O M E the new underground home for the finest in electronic music-- electro - techno industrial with resident DJs READE TRUTH (Path, Sonic Groove, Rebel Funk) JON TURI (Sonic Groove, Rebel Funk) and very special guests : U L T R A D Y N E (Warp Records, Pia Gao, Fulcrum) is Ultradyne evil ? find out this saturday when these Detroit dark electro artists perform live for the first time ever in New York City. DJ ADAM X (Sonic Groove, Instinct, Predicaments) celebrating his latest mix CD release On The One Two - This message was sent via the Ulsternet webmail system. http://www.ulster.net
Re: [313] FW: [313] vinyl - digital
NO!! You get me all wrong! I still find vinyl hugely superiour to CD, I'm just saying that the process can improve the sounds of CD. For me, it makes the cd listenerable to, whereas before it was just really weak and fustrating. The tests were done on a my Dad's Linn system. The Linn LP12 still sounds much better than the CD (no, it's not a CD12), it's just that he listens to Classical music and struggles to get new classical records. Luckly with Dance music, DJ cluture also keeps audiophiles like myself happy by keeping vinyl going strong. Now if only they didn't put their hands of the playing surfaces of the records in the shops.. ;-) Cheers, Paul. This may be true, BUT we're still dealing with a 44.1KHz, 16 bit CD, it can only sound so good. 96KHz/24bit sounds significantly better, and is the closest we have to analog sound, but there is still no comparison to vinyl on a VPI Aries (or better) turntable.
RE: [313] FW: [313] vinyl - digital
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Steven Taylor wrote: this isn't a record, you can't change what's on the CD or how it's read, all you can do is obstruct it, or clear an obstruction, and a CD player with good oversampling isn't going to be obstructed easily, and when it is, it just skips ahead. Youve answered your own question! The more it skips ahead and the greater the error rate the less accurate the sound reproduction will be or is that Voodoo as well?... Well, unless you have an utterly old/crappy player I doubt that there's a significant difference with their effectiveness in error-correction and thus outputting a better sound. After all, there are easier ways to improve the quality of the sound at home, acoustics and cabling for example. What's the name of that tech/gear-question focused tech/gear-list again...?-) J Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.netppl.fi/~sandman Do not allow yourself to be programmed. For once, in your life, take control. Take control. - UR
vinylisours...
Maybe the most essential point is still missed here vinyl is our format..we distribute,press, master em, from the production process up to the expertise its all oursand every copy is strictly comin from us, u can´t copy itwe still hold the future..let the majors fck about with cd-barcode licenses, tryin to stop burning illegal cd´s, megaoutlets etc etc... 154
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Re: [313] vinylisours...
hate to but into a discussion...and i also love vinyl, but surely CDs are easier to produce? with vinyl you're still relient on a pressing plant, but for less than $2k you can buy a home CD duplicator that'll kick out 50+ CDs an hour gotta say tho...vinyl is just so damn sexier... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: [313] vinylisours... Maybe the most essential point is still missed here vinyl is our format..we distribute,press, master em, from the production process up to the expertise its all oursand every copy is strictly comin from us, u can´t copy itwe still hold the future..let the majors fck about with cd-barcode licenses, tryin to stop burning illegal cd´s, megaoutlets etc etc... 154 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] technasia black water
Having both heard Amil from Technasia Dj and been in contact with him ever since Force was released. All I can say is, like their music his selection and Dj style are impeccable. Props to Green Galactic for having Amil throw down at their intimate event in Miami. These two guys (Amil Charles) are all about quality and not just pumping out record after record. Other labels they run are Star Tracks and Sino. I believe he said Mr. John Tejada was one of the forthcoming releases on Sino. With all this in mind I would put them at the top of your list of people to go see and/or book for a gig.(if anyone needs their booking contact I can forward that on) While on the subject of good labels and producers I wonder how many people on this list were feeling Octave One Black Water. I know I played it to death in both house and techno sets. It also was the one track that really stood out the last time I heard Jeff Mills play here in Toronto. Finally fresh 12 releases from the Round Table family the new Format 006 and Chair 011 for all underground heads around the world. David Cooper Hi, Can someone on this list tell me what Technasia are like when they play live and/or when they dj?? what do they play or what kind of tunes do they spin? has anybody heard them live?? Thanks in advance! Martijn Hi, Can someone on this list tell me what Technasia are like when they play live and/or when they dj?? what do they play or what kind of tunes do they spin? has anybody heard them live?? Thanks in advance! Martijn
contact info for John Arnold
does anyone have this info? thanks matthew Matthew Gerbasi |l| Darcy Detroit lll Cadillac Regional Traffic|l| 248-458-8567|l| [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eliminate your ego by having self confidence without pride -- Basi
Re: [313] vinylisours...
Vinyl will never die. Period. It's outlasted everything: 4track and 8track tapes, consumer reel-to-reel, consumer DAT, Cassettes may be on their last legs, and MiniDisc isn't doing as well as it should. Vinyl is still the king of audio. tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/11/2001 10:47:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] vinylisours... hate to but into a discussion...and i also love vinyl, but surely CDs are easier to produce? with vinyl you're still relient on a pressing plant, but for less than $2k you can buy a home CD duplicator that'll kick out 50+ CDs an hour gotta say tho...vinyl is just so damn sexier... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: [313] vinylisours... Maybe the most essential point is still missed here vinyl is our format..we distribute,press, master em, from the production process up to the expertise its all oursand every copy is strictly comin from us, u can´t copy itwe still hold the future..let the majors fck about with cd-barcode licenses, tryin to stop burning illegal cd´s, megaoutlets etc etc... 154 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
last year
hey guys... since there are no 313 archives beyond march of 2000... i was wondering if anyone has a copy of the lineup from last year's DEMF. thanks, h
Re: [313] last year
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 09:06:21AM -0600, Holly MacDonald-Korth wrote: hey guys... since there are no 313 archives beyond march of 2000... i was wondering if anyone has a copy of the lineup from last year's DEMF. http://www.demf.org/2000/artists/artists.html :) Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://technotourist.org http://www.TV-99-AD.com
First Choice
Hi, Could anybody provide me with some info on the Claudio Cocolutto Rmxs of First Choice's 'The Player'? Year, label, availibility,etc. Thanks, RD Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com
Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are.
At 08:21 AM 4/11/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: exactly - even the tracks made with all analgue synths and drum machines are generally mastered to DAT, which is if i remember right 16 bit 44khz, same as CD. dat can go up to 48khz sampling (same as most newer soundcards these days) (still 16 bit), but it's hard to hear the difference between 44.1 and 48k for me with anything less than headphones. (cd is still 44.1/16) then again, maybe those people who make vinyl masters know some sort of magic that un-quantizes your digital recording? yeah, that must be it. well, i'd think the actual cutting of the groove based on all the digital samples 'fills in' the spaces... this is not to say that a dsp that takes, say, a 44.1/16 input and interpolates it up to 96/24 and then dumps it out a high-quality d/a converter couldn't approximate the feeling. Also, there's all kinds of physics about the needle tracking the groove (the way stereo information is encoded in the groove, for example) that might have to be dsp-ified to get a noticeable effect Not that it'll ever be the identical due to the storage differences, but vinyl does have it's practical resolution limits... hopefully one day consumer-level digital audio stuff will be able to hold a candle to it. cause, y'know, vinyl is better. duh. :) i hate technology, that's why i play techno! rock on -j -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 0x514DB5CB he who lives these words shall not taste death becoming nothing yeah yeah forever liquid cool
RE: [313] FW: [313] vinyl - digital
while we're on the topic. . .why doesn't my old cd player like to play burnt cds? k
Brinkmann's Flashlight
Cheers. I dedicate that post to all the 313ers who feel, or have ever felt, the shivers go down their spines when they hear a certain track--the way they do for me when I hear Respect off the second Soul Center album. As someone else said on this list a while back, let's hear it for sublime techno! See you in the 3 a.m. eternal, Wes
Fw: [313] vinylisours...
- Original Message - From: tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: et machina [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [313] vinylisours... beautifully put...i totally agree...just lets not forget the advantages of the digital media in regards to broadcasting/distribution...it allows you to get your music to potentially a much vaster audience, while not forcing you to rely on the mainstream, corporate media industry. theres technology out there thats not being used to its full, and its gonna need innovators with true imagination to make it work. - Original Message - From: et machina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [313] vinylisours... tim said: hate to but into a discussion...and i also love vinyl, but surely CDs are easier to produce? with vinyl you're still relient on a but of course easier doesnt necessarily = better, right? to me this adds to the disposable, look what i got in my happymeal character of digital media. it's too easy and every copy, infinite copies are all identical, made solely with 'sweat' of machines not humans..vinyl is definitely more personal... jochem said: Maybe the most essential point is still missed here vinyl is our format..we distribute,press, master em, from the production process up to the expertise its all oursand every copy is right on, this is the direction of thought that gets to what is valuable about vinyl even if technically it seems to lose to digital. there's a physical element inherent in the process of getting a record made that works at many levels; it is less an automatic process, you may have to master one place, press another, get sleeves done another, artwork another and this takes work, extra effort and extra involvement. vinyl has an interesting texture [cd's boring, smooth flat industrial perfection, boring and no character] which you might call sexier, like tim does. and conceptually its no competition, analog technology is direct, physical, no coding..surface noise is warm and adds [literally] to the music rather than interrupting/subtracting, getting to techno ideas like machines with soul etc etc..you could go on and on with this ... jt _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] technasia
I know that they played a stormer at I Love Techno last year in Belgium and are supposedly doing a live set in London this August time. There is a Charles Siegling mix online at http://www.techno.ca/cognition I believe. smc - Original Message - From: Martijn de Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: [313] technasia Hi, Can someone on this list tell me what Technasia are like when they play live and/or when they dj?? what do they play or what kind of tunes do they spin? has anybody heard them live?? Thanks in advance! Martijn Searchline IIC Van Breestraat 154 P.O. Box 9292 1006 AG Amsterdam The Netherlands Tel: +31 (0)20 578 86 86 Fax: +31 (0)20 662 92 81 http://www.searchline-iic.com Disclaimer: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies(wich may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from Searchline IIC, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient.If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the system manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nortroute.net broadcast
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Re: [313] technasia black water
Blackwateryes.YES. The Ultimate Detroit escapade for me. It totally eclipsed Jaguar in my book, suppose we needed it to. Is it deffo gonna be John Tejada as John Thomas has turned a few in on Sino. I love his stuff, really kept the Rob Hood sound alive in his occassional absence. Just a pretender though as there is only one Hood. Scott Mc - Original Message - From: dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martijn de Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [313] technasia black water Having both heard Amil from Technasia Dj and been in contact with him ever since Force was released. All I can say is, like their music his selection and Dj style are impeccable. Props to Green Galactic for having Amil throw down at their intimate event in Miami. These two guys (Amil Charles) are all about quality and not just pumping out record after record. Other labels they run are Star Tracks and Sino. I believe he said Mr. John Tejada was one of the forthcoming releases on Sino. With all this in mind I would put them at the top of your list of people to go see and/or book for a gig.(if anyone needs their booking contact I can forward that on) While on the subject of good labels and producers I wonder how many people on this list were feeling Octave One Black Water. I know I played it to death in both house and techno sets. It also was the one track that really stood out the last time I heard Jeff Mills play here in Toronto. Finally fresh 12 releases from the Round Table family the new Format 006 and Chair 011 for all underground heads around the world. David Cooper
Re: [313] technasia
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:35 PM Subject: RE: [313] technasia : I just got their mix cd called Future Sound. Future Sound is a radio show they do from mainland China. They are trying to push the envelop for Asian artists. i remember an article about them in german magazine groove. the radio station is called shenzhen radio 2 which can be heard in the area of shanghai, shenzhen and foshan. they said that they wanted to play lil louis' french kiss but they were not allowed to do so :-) peter
Re: [313] Fwd: SATURDAY NIGHT EVENT : AUDIODROME
Audiodrome takes place every Saturday at: The Pyramid Club, 101 Ave. A, NYC Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://www.underonesky.net/jet for futher information. where is this being held? [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/11/2001 10:23:19 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc:(bcc: Paul Matheson/US/BBHComm) Subject: [313] Fwd: SATURDAY NIGHT EVENT : AUDIODROME 4 those in NY this wk/end... Forwarded Message: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sonic Groove Records Subject: SATURDAY NIGHT EVENT : AUDIODROME Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:51:41 -0400 (EDT) - Saturday, April 14, 20001 Byron Williams presents: A U D I O D R O M E the new underground home for the finest in electronic music-- electro - techno industrial with resident DJs READE TRUTH (Path, Sonic Groove, Rebel Funk) JON TURI (Sonic Groove, Rebel Funk) and very special guests : U L T R A D Y N E (Warp Records, Pia Gao, Fulcrum) is Ultradyne evil ? find out this saturday when these Detroit dark electro artists perform live for the first time ever in New York City. DJ ADAM X (Sonic Groove, Instinct, Predicaments) celebrating his latest mix CD release On The One Two - This message was sent via the Ulsternet webmail system. http://www.ulster.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by UUNET delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit http://www.uk.uu.net/products/security/virus/ _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by UUNET delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit http://www.uk.uu.net/products/security/virus/ - This message was sent via the Ulsternet webmail system. http://www.ulster.net
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RE: [313] crazy motherf**ker...
It inspired me too. I just tried cutting up some records with my pocketknife,... you did WHAT?! leaving them by a radiator's one thing, but knifing your records will definetely ruin the sound quality... I remember spending an evening watching a friend getting to work on some old 45s with a cigarette lighter and some razor blades.he didn't mark the music but he cut notches in the run-out groove and recorded his own beats and clicks and zaps, then mixed them up.also he wasn't averse to using rolls of sellotape and cups of tea on the decks in other creative ways..far too destructive for me, interesting sounds though.
Re: [313] vinyl - digital
Back in 1991-1992 a rumor floated around that if you colored the edge of your cd's with a green marker, they would sound better. Car audio nuts were buying into it until someone proved it false. When I worked at Jam Sounds during those years, lots of people tried it and said to me ... the music sounds the same, what's the big deal? I've also heard of putting nail polish on the print side to make cd sound better. Scott Laakso --- --- imajin/ imagine http://www.mp3.com/i_majin http://www.ampcast.com/imagine
Re: [313] vinyl - digital
i've heard that rubbing toothpaste on the data side of of a scratched cd will take out many of the skips. unlike the other ones, this actually works - it works as a polishing agent. you can buff out a lot of the scratches, just not the really deep ones. remember to wash the toothpaste off before you play it!
RE: [313] vinyl - digital
I usually apply the nail polish to a green marker to remove the toothpaste after pulling them from a charring blaze. Spread the word, it's like magic, the good kind. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:47 PM To: Kyle J Dupuy Cc: Scotto; 313 Subject:Re: [313] vinyl - digital i've heard that rubbing toothpaste on the data side of of a scratched cd will take out many of the skips. unlike the other ones, this actually works - it works as a polishing agent. you can buff out a lot of the scratches, just not the really deep ones. remember to wash the toothpaste off before you play it! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] vinyl - digital
it's also great for filling in nail holes in an apartment you are moving out of. ;) ...just make sure it's not mint flavor! MEK From: Kyle J Dupuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] vinyl - digital Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:47:06 -0400 (EDT) I've also heard of putting nail polish on the print side to make cd sound better. Scott Laakso --- i've heard that rubbing toothpaste on the data side of of a scratched cd will take out many of the skips. k - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] vinyl - digital
i've heard that rubbing toothpaste on the data side of of a scratched cd will take out many of the skips. you can resurrect those dead cd with tooth paste. but try a paste wax first and polish the cd with a soft cloth wax. try that maybe 3 times before using TP with TP use a dab and a soft cloth find the deep scratch which will be apparent after waxing. use a circular motion on the deep scratch with a moderate pressure rinse with h2o and rewax . (you can also use a fine jewelers polish and a dremal. but that's going a little over board) usually wax will make the cd able be ripped and burned. *I have never use any of the above methods on a cdr*
Re: [313] vinyl - digital
let's please not get into golden ear debates, ok? i've had enough arguments about Shakti stones, green markers, spikes, and silver litz cables for this lifetime. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] vinyl - digital Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:04:10 -0400 Back in 1991-1992 a rumor floated around that if you colored the edge of your cd's with a green marker, they would sound better. Car audio nuts were buying into it until someone proved it false. When I worked at Jam Sounds during those years, lots of people tried it and said to me ... the music sounds the same, what's the big deal? This is similar. The data on a CD is still going to be the same, cold or warm. It'll sound no different. Paul Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/11/2001 07:00:20 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: [313] vinyl - digital While we're on the subject, does anyone have any idea why freezing cd's improves them? I've heard about this technique and it does wonders, but I just don't understand why! Basically, you put a cd in the freezer for 48 hours, then slowly warm it up by putting it in the bottom of the fridge and then the top, for something like 12 hours. It makes such a huge improvement to the sound, try it. But why? Most people understand how a record player works, basically. The same people have no clue how a CD player or MP3 player works. They know, I push this button and this happens. What they don't know is how 0100101010101 turns in to a groove. A - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] juan atkins
RS Records RS 94043 CD jeff Southern Outpost wrote: Yep, it definately came out on CD... sorry don't have the Catalog number handy. Peace, Patrick. At 1:50 PM +1000 11/4/01, Jason wrote: anyone know if Juan Atkins 'Sonic Sunset' is available on cd??? thanks -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it)
Re: [313] FW: [313] vinyl - digital
Assuming you don't mean ones you've microwaved or baked, it would prolly have to do with the quality of the laser in it. CDRs tend not to be as reflective (at least that used to be the case) as regular CDs and don't read as easily. Not a thing for most newer players. jeff Kyle J Dupuy wrote: while we're on the topic. . .why doesn't my old cd player like to play burnt cds? k - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it)
Re: [313] T-Shirt Voting
Is it just me or is the page empty? jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay folks, I've finally gotten all the technical glitches fixed(hopefully, so bear with me) and you can now see the submissions for the 313 list t-shirt as well as vote for your favorite design. The link following is where the designs are located. To vote send a message to the address on the bottom of the web page and enter the letter of your favorite design in the SUBJECT line. No need to type a message...the subject will do fine. It's up to you to narrow it down and vote only for you favorite. I will dispense with any florida jokes at this point. If anyone should encounter any problems with the site let me know and I'll do my best to address those asap. I will be 'closing the poles' so to speak at midnight est. on Saturday. So you've got four days to vote. As always, any questions...just reply and I will try to help. here's the link: http://www.313shirt.50megs.com thanks everyone, dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it)
Re: [313] T-Shirt Voting
i just checked it. it's just you ;) On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Mxyzptlk wrote: Is it just me or is the page empty? jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay folks, I've finally gotten all the technical glitches fixed(hopefully, so bear with me) and you can now see the submissions for the 313 list t-shirt as well as vote for your favorite design. The link following is where the designs are located. To vote send a message to the address on the bottom of the web page and enter the letter of your favorite design in the SUBJECT line. No need to type a message...the subject will do fine. It's up to you to narrow it down and vote only for you favorite. I will dispense with any florida jokes at this point. If anyone should encounter any problems with the site let me know and I'll do my best to address those asap. I will be 'closing the poles' so to speak at midnight est. on Saturday. So you've got four days to vote. As always, any questions...just reply and I will try to help. here's the link: http://www.313shirt.50megs.com thanks everyone, dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Brinkmann interview
I think Brinkmann is a genius, but is his x100 project somewhat a conceptual rip of X102 Rings of Saturn? And this connection, this border, was very important for me in 'x100.' The visual problem, the rings, the spirals ... I want to have a very simple, geometrical form on the surface of the record. How is it possible to program the sounds to create this? So the music was following the visual imperative. - Original Message - From: tristan watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [313] Brinkmann\Morningstar [LONG] --- Charles Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a bit of an old thread but I never got around to responding at the time. I recommend that people check out Philip's interview with TB at: www.urbansounds.com/us_current/thumbnail/brinkmann_1.html (It inspired me). I haven't had a chance to read all of them straight through yet, but the rest of the interviews with Stewart Walker, Hawtin, Reich, Taylor Dupree and Carsten Nicolai also look very good. Nice work Phillip! Tristan __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] T-Shirt Voting
no its not... it worked for me earlier...but now all the images are missing... could it just be demand on the server? - Original Message - From: Kyle J Dupuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [313] T-Shirt Voting i just checked it. it's just you ;) On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Mxyzptlk wrote: Is it just me or is the page empty? jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay folks, I've finally gotten all the technical glitches fixed(hopefully, so bear with me) and you can now see the submissions for the 313 list t-shirt as well as vote for your favorite design. The link following is where the designs are located. To vote send a message to the address on the bottom of the web page and enter the letter of your favorite design in the SUBJECT line. No need to type a message...the subject will do fine. It's up to you to narrow it down and vote only for you favorite. I will dispense with any florida jokes at this point. If anyone should encounter any problems with the site let me know and I'll do my best to address those asap. I will be 'closing the poles' so to speak at midnight est. on Saturday. So you've got four days to vote. As always, any questions...just reply and I will try to help. here's the link: http://www.313shirt.50megs.com thanks everyone, dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] T-Shirt Voting
i just checked it and the small graphics are erroring out. If you click on the erroring box, the large graphics appear. -mike i just checked it. it's just you ;) On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Mxyzptlk wrote: Is it just me or is the page empty? jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay folks, I've finally gotten all the technical glitches fixed(hopefully, so bear with me) and you can now see the submissions for the 313 list t-shirt as well as vote for your favorite design. The link following is where the designs are located. To vote send a message to the address on the bottom of the web page and enter the letter of your favorite design in the SUBJECT line. No need to type a message...the subject will do fine. It's up to you to narrow it down and vote only for you favorite. I will dispense with any florida jokes at this point. If anyone should encounter any problems with the site let me know and I'll do my best to address those asap. I will be 'closing the poles' so to speak at midnight est. on Saturday. So you've got four days to vote. As always, any questions...just reply and I will try to help. here's the link: http://www.313shirt.50megs.com thanks everyone, dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] T-Shirt Voting
it works ok on my mac, but not my PC. what format are the images?
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i just checked it and the small graphics are erroring out. If you click
on the erroring box, the large graphics appear.
-mike
i just checked it.
it's just you ;)
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Mxyzptlk wrote:
Is it just me or is the page empty?
jeff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay folks,
I've finally gotten all the technical glitches fixed(hopefully, so
bear with me) and you can now see the submissions for the 313 list t-shirt
as well as vote for your favorite design.
The link following is where the designs are located. To vote send a
message to the address on the bottom of the web page and enter the letter of
your favorite design in the SUBJECT line. No need to type a message...the
subject will do fine. It's up to you to narrow it down and vote only for you
favorite. I will dispense with any florida jokes at this point.
If anyone should encounter any problems with the site let me know
and I'll do my best to address those asap. I will be 'closing the poles' so
to speak at midnight est. on Saturday. So you've got four days to vote. As
always, any questions...just reply and I will try to help.
here's the link: http://www.313shirt.50megs.com
thanks everyone,
dave
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Re: [313] T-Shirt Voting
they work fine on my pc with netscape browser. this e-mail messages are quite a productive use of bandwidth. :) On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, tim maughan wrote: it works ok on my mac, but not my PC. what format are the images? - Original Message - From: MikeD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kyle J Dupuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [313] T-Shirt Voting i just checked it and the small graphics are erroring out. If you click on the erroring box, the large graphics appear. -mike i just checked it. it's just you ;) On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Mxyzptlk wrote: Is it just me or is the page empty? jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay folks, I've finally gotten all the technical glitches fixed(hopefully, so bear with me) and you can now see the submissions for the 313 list t-shirt as well as vote for your favorite design. The link following is where the designs are located. To vote send a message to the address on the bottom of the web page and enter the letter of your favorite design in the SUBJECT line. No need to type a message...the subject will do fine. It's up to you to narrow it down and vote only for you favorite. I will dispense with any florida jokes at this point. If anyone should encounter any problems with the site let me know and I'll do my best to address those asap. I will be 'closing the poles' so to speak at midnight est. on Saturday. So you've got four days to vote. As always, any questions...just reply and I will try to help. here's the link: http://www.313shirt.50megs.com thanks everyone, dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] T-Shirt Voting
hey, in a professional role i usually charge for this sort of site QA testing ;) - Original Message - From: Kyle J Dupuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: MikeD [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [313] T-Shirt Voting they work fine on my pc with netscape browser. this e-mail messages are quite a productive use of bandwidth. :) On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, tim maughan wrote: it works ok on my mac, but not my PC. what format are the images? - Original Message - From: MikeD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kyle J Dupuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [313] T-Shirt Voting i just checked it and the small graphics are erroring out. If you click on the erroring box, the large graphics appear. -mike i just checked it. it's just you ;) On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Mxyzptlk wrote: Is it just me or is the page empty? jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay folks, I've finally gotten all the technical glitches fixed(hopefully, so bear with me) and you can now see the submissions for the 313 list t-shirt as well as vote for your favorite design. The link following is where the designs are located. To vote send a message to the address on the bottom of the web page and enter the letter of your favorite design in the SUBJECT line. No need to type a message...the subject will do fine. It's up to you to narrow it down and vote only for you favorite. I will dispense with any florida jokes at this point. If anyone should encounter any problems with the site let me know and I'll do my best to address those asap. I will be 'closing the poles' so to speak at midnight est. on Saturday. So you've got four days to vote. As always, any questions...just reply and I will try to help. here's the link: http://www.313shirt.50megs.com thanks everyone, dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TShirt site
I was afraid this might happen to someonethe images have been glitching out on my computer here at the office and at home. I have tried to contact the host and figure out what the problem is but as usual I'm getting bounced back emails from them. Needless to say I am still trying. I did a quick survey of the site before I released it to the list and it worked for everyone else so I figured it was some sort of cookie issue with my machine. For any of you that can't see the previews...the images are there, you just need to check each box. Sorry for the temporary difficulty, I'm still working on fixing it. I'll keep you guys updated... dave
Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions
Point taken. As I mentioned in the original message I was unclear about the connection between Chain Reaction and the various Ernestus / Von Oswald projects due to the large amount of apparently incorrect information available. My thanks to everyone that has corrected me. But if we're going to be really nitpicky about this, isn't Domina M3 (having been preceded by Ploy and Lyot and followed by M4)? Also, wasn't it a 1993 release? M1 a.k.a Domina was released in 1994, CR01 was released in 95. Kinda hard for the birth of the parent to happen after the child. Cheers todd
silly tshirt slogans
by the convincing of my trusty friend Kyle Dupuy..here are some tshirt slogans I shot him while being silly sarcastic: 313: where its proven you don't sh*t about music...just when you thought you did 313: on topic posts wanted (ironic) 313, where the weak are flamed and the strong are eaten for breakfast 313: yeah...that's right..we're the ones who buy all the limited white labels on colored vinyl that play backwards 313: techno tourists only need apply 313: we've all changed our names to richie may mills atkins...so go away 313:you said WHAT about Detroit!?! *full neck rotate* ok...enough of my silly brain dribble...just thought it make some people smile. something to think about when voting: make sure it best represents the list and detroit. cheers ;) ;) ;) d *the above is not to be taken seriously..in any way...whatsoever* __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] silly tshirt slogans
i've got a new one in the potts spirit... 313--F*CK a slogan lks
Re: [313] silly tshirt slogans
:/ easy tiger. --- Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got a new one in the potts spirit... 313--F*CK a slogan lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Brinkmann\Morningstar
This is a bit of an old thread but I never got around to responding at the time. I recommend that people check out Philip's interview with TB at: www.urbansounds.com/us_current/thumbnail/brinkmann_1.html (It inspired me). TB's Soul Center releases certainly reveal a transformational sampling ethic... nice words, cheers. For those who can't stand comparisons of music and literature, delete this post now. Personally, I can't get enough of soulcenter I and II. I've always thought of Brinkmann as the William Faulkner of dance music on vol.2. The weird dark historic edge, reminds me of the crazy stuff in _Light in August_ and _As I Lay Dying_. Also the photography on front and back of Soulcenter II is just brilliant, evokes some dark and intense inner emotions. Also how about that track, is it called FUNK SHACK or something?? I think it's the last track on Soulcenter vol.1, where a creaky door opens at the beginning of the track, and then slams shut at the end. Like you were let into some hot, house party in some weirdo backwoods southern town, where people just come to escape the flashy, glitzy nauseating clubland and into this weirder, deeper and darker smokey space, but it's still pure funk. Also I love the parallels you draw with the whole David Lynch movies, I totally see it, and had actually thought that myself before. peace -- Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] archived radio shows -- http://macqueen.com/radio
who go juan atkins it happen last week no one care i cry a lot play with puppies
i have information for demf weekend. i hear that everyone whine loud enough about cher and alan oldham not be there promoter will hear and then baseball players come out of cornfield in hart plaza. i want 313 shirt so i can exploit geek quality and wear giant rave flyer on behind. i read message from lks say '313--F*CK a slogan' do no understand * but it make laugh hard i pee self. lks must have big diploma and fancy slacks. i hear if use vinyl as tobbagin you get nasty rash. were i go reply. uberbalisubermanian smith _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions
Just checked with www.circonium.de I was going by Sonic Grooves database (I was in a hurry and I usually have it open at work in the record store). Ploy was M1 and Lyot M2, apparently however they were released in '92. The first CR record by Scion (emerge) was released in '95. As always never trust Sonic Groove for anything. :) Cheers todd - Original Message - From: Jenny Cigarettes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org; M. Todd Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions Point taken. As I mentioned in the original message I was unclear about the connection between Chain Reaction and the various Ernestus / Von Oswald projects due to the large amount of apparently incorrect information available. My thanks to everyone that has corrected me. But if we're going to be really nitpicky about this, isn't Domina M3 (having been preceded by Ploy and Lyot and followed by M4)? Also, wasn't it a 1993 release? M1 a.k.a Domina was released in 1994, CR01 was released in 95. Kinda hard for the birth of the parent to happen after the child. Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] who go juan atkins it happen last week no one care i cry a lot play with puppies
I heard that too. (I think. Or not.) jeff public effairs wrote: i have information for demf weekend. i hear that... -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it)
