[313] oh the irony
found this on CNN.com - check the last line... Lennon tribute postponed NEW YORK (AP) -- Come Together, a tribute to John Lennon that had been scheduled Thursday at Radio City Music Hall, now is set for October 2. Alanis Morissette, Dave Matthews, Moby and Nelly Furtado are among those scheduled to perform. Kevin Spacey will be the host of the event, which will air live on TNT (8 p.m. ET). The concert was rescheduled because of last week's terrorist attacks, said Steve Koonin, TNT's executive vice president and general manager. The appropriateness of John Lennon's words, message and music is even more timely now, said Ken Ehrlich, whose company is producing this event. New York City identified and shared a mutual love affair with John and Yoko (Ono), and now more than ever, that unbreakable bond grows even stronger in this time of healing. The concert was originally to benefit nonviolent causes, but now also will support relief organizations set up in New York City. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Miles Maeda
|| I wish more people would spin that || Playhouse/Klang/Perlon-style of house. || ||Miles Maeda comes to mind. .. but every tape or set I've heard from him has been different, ranging from disco to dub, though almost always to my taste and well selected. I'll admit I haven't heard him lately but the only thing consistent about him in my experience is skill. __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] magda haters in the house?
- Original Message - From: Vince Woolums [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [313] magda haters in the house? List member Scott Stone has been playing this material for the last year and half at From 0 to 1, Rotation, and on Noise Radio. Kent - where were ya?? Speaking of upstaging... Scott's set at From Zero to One (DE909 in Iowa City) at around 4 am was splendid. After four hours of Hawtin bludgeoning, I was in bliss when Scott came on. Lots of Perlon, Playhouse and Kompaktesque stuff. Scott really helped to turn me on to this sound. I thought my ears had had enough, but Scott's set was *perfect* for that moment. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info http://www.metatrackstudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] oh the irony
Alanis Morissette, Dave Matthews, Moby and Nelly Furtado are among those scheduled to perform. what's with moby and nelly furtado? First Area: one, and now this. does he have a crush on her or something? ;-) _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] 2 Free CD's
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Re: [313] 2 Free CD's
not funny... i bet dj magda could make a funnier website! chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] 2 Free CD's
nope it was pretty stupid in fact, but i know i forwarded it to as many people as i could before someone else does!;) josh23 --- Rudy Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not funny... __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] C2News?
Anyone heard anything else about the upcoming Shop album? Is it me, or does Carl Craig tend to do a binge of remixes before he releases a dancefloor album? Are we seeing this now? What are some of the other rumblings from Transmat, 7th City, Planet E? Metroplex??? I feel really out of the loop. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info http://www.metatrackstudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] 4 the aussies
melbourne 313ers which are good shops for techno house apart from octave mighty music? thanx p-dogg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] NIMDA Virus
I'll skip saying this is off topic but I just spent a long day on this problem and needed to share. This virus is pretty nasty since one way it infects your pc is thru compromised websites. I would recommend going to http://housecall.antivirus.com/housecall/start_corp.asp and scanning your machine. Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] magda haters in the house?
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:25:31 -0500 To: 313 313@hyperreal.org From: Joel Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] magda haters in the house? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish more people would spin that Playhouse/Klang/Perlon-style of house. Miles Maeda comes to mind. Can you folks think of anyone else? Ricardo Villalobos, Safety Scissors, Dimbiman, Dan Bell, Markus Nikolai, and me. : +odd -- Todd Sines icq: 7580 SCALE:form | image | sound http://www.scalestudio.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] magda haters in the house?
me too... Can you folks think of anyone else? Ricardo Villalobos, Safety Scissors, Dimbiman, Dan Bell, Markus Nikolai, _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Fwd: FC: Text of Mobilization Against Terrorism Act now online
Hello, I am really sorry for posting something completely off topic to a music related mailing list, but I think this is something that list members should be aware of. There is a great deal of legislation flying through congress that will seriously erode civil rights in the name of security. I think we all know that legal changes need to be made because of the events of the 11th, but we should also make it a point to let our legislators know that legislation that unnecessarily restricts and infringes upon our personal freedom and constitutional rights is not the correct solution to our country's problems. again I am sorry for posting this, if you guys want to flame away I understand. Please do follow the links I have posted, and if you find any of them disturbing, please take the time fwd these links to friends, and to write/email your state and federal representatives to let them know how you feel. Activism can seem pointless or ineffective at times, but if there is a chance that we can avert some suffering caused by our government because of over-reaching knee-jerk legislation, giving 20 minutes of our day at work to write a few emails seems like a small price to pay. Take care, Mike From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: Text of Mobilization Against Terrorism Act now online Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:39:37 -0400 Text of the Mobilization Against Terrorism Act: http://vorlon.mit.edu/~declan/mata/ http://www.well.com/~declan/mata/ Background: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02531.html -Declan ** http://www.wartimeliberty.com/article.pl?sid=01/09/20/0333204 Text of President Bush's Anti-Terrorism Bill Now Online posted by declan on Wednesday September 19, @10:20PM from the be-sure-to-read-the-fine-print dept. For the last week, Washington has been buzzing about what may -- or may not -- be in the Mobilization Against Terrorism Act. We now have a draft copy of MATA online that you can find at http://vorlon.mit.edu/~declan/mata/ or http://www.well.com/~declan/mata/. (Alas, it's in a series of JPG files, but if someone wants to take the large version and OCR it, please post a link in the comment thread below.) The Bush administration sent a draft of MATA to Congress late Wednesday, with the House Judiciary committee pledging a legislative hearing followed by a full committee markup as soon as possible once they receive the final version. We'll let you look through the bill yourself, but note how this would expand the utility of the Net's two favorite surveillance systems: Carnivore and Echelon. If you want to crib from a summary, see the outline we posted on Tuesday. EFF's press release on MATA is attached below. --- Electronic Frontier Foundation Media Release For Immediate Release: September 19, 2001 Contacts: Shari Steele, EFF Executive Director, [EMAIL PROTECTED], +1 415 436-9333 x103 Lee Tien, EFF Senior Staff Attorney, [EMAIL PROTECTED], +1 415 436-9333 x102 (office), +1 510 290-7131 (cell) DOJ's Anti-Terrorism Law Would Dismantle Civil Liberties Legislate to Improve Security Not Eliminate Freedoms San Francisco, California - The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) today criticized the Mobilization Against Terrorism Act proposed by the US Department of Justice because many provisions of the law would dramatically alter the civil liberties landscape through unnecessarily broad restrictions on free speech and privacy rights in the United States and abroad. EFF again urged Congress to act with deliberation in approving only measures that are effective in preventing terrorism while protecting the freedoms of Americans. Attorney General John Ashcroft distributed the proposed Mobilization Against Terrorism Act to members of Congress after Monday's press conference at which he indicated that, among other measures, he would ask Congress to expand the ability of law enforcement officers to perform wiretaps in response to the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001. Ashcroft asked Congress to pass anti-terrorism legislation including expanded electronic surveillance by the end of this week. EFF believes this broad legislation would radically tip the United States system of checks and balances, giving the government unprecedented authority to surveil American citizens with little judicial or other oversight. One particularly egregious section of the DOJ's analysis of its proposed legislation says that United States prosecutors may use against American citizens information collected by a foreign government even if the collection would have violated the Fourth Amendment. Operating from abroad, foreign governments will do the dirty work of spying on the communications of Americans worldwide. US protections against unreasonable search and seizure won't matter, commented EFF Senior Staff Attorney Lee Tien. Additional
Re: [313] Live musik (MP3): C. Bloch R. Brogan
live and thank you... Christian Bloch http://mp3.com/bloch http://www.mp313.com/christianbloch.htm Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go/Restructured - Original Message - From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [313] Live musik (MP3): C. Bloch R. Brogan I'm shameless today... Forwardmusic.com just put up a set Christian and I performed live in the Music section of the site. just so i can clarify, this is a LIVE set or a DJ set? either way, quite good. especially at the 12 minute mark. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] what ever happened to... was [313] Eric Haupt/upstage
Hatatomic? Other mid-90's acts that no one has heard from in years? From: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Eric Haupt/upstage Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Last time I saw Eric Haupt play was at Sickness/Recovery...if I remember correctly. He was on leave from the navy at the time I think. Wasn't there a brother as well who played? Adam? I think the more important point here is that a larger known local talent is helping a less recognized talent get recognition. Kevin Saunderson is doing it with the new KMS studios (with Heath Brunner-sp-and some other experienced locals) and I think it's something that older Detroit players should use as an example. There is so much younger talent in Detroit that doesn't get the recognition they deserve, such as derek and many, many others. I find it interesting that some people forget that not everyone on this lists posts or speaks. If it's one thing the information age is infamous for, is creating a lack of manners and respect for others. Let's try and remember that what you post about someone, you should just as well be able to say it to their face. And even if they aren't on the list...it's pretty guarenteed it will get back to them (-especially- in Detroit).I don't care if anyone care's or not, just take into consideration. The opening act showup that comes to mind first is when I saw Lamb open for Gus Gus at St.Andrews. Lamb blew Gus Gus's set away IMHO. d __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] what ever happened to... was [313] Eric Haupt/upstage
oh yeah! the star wars guys... who brought out every piece of equipment ever made in order to do a live show. At 2:49 AM -0400 9/20/01, Mike Taylor wrote: Hatatomic? Other mid-90's acts that no one has heard from in years? From: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Eric Haupt/upstage Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Last time I saw Eric Haupt play was at Sickness/Recovery...if I remember correctly. He was on leave from the navy at the time I think. Wasn't there a brother as well who played? Adam? I think the more important point here is that a larger known local talent is helping a less recognized talent get recognition. Kevin Saunderson is doing it with the new KMS studios (with Heath Brunner-sp-and some other experienced locals) and I think it's something that older Detroit players should use as an example. There is so much younger talent in Detroit that doesn't get the recognition they deserve, such as derek and many, many others. I find it interesting that some people forget that not everyone on this lists posts or speaks. If it's one thing the information age is infamous for, is creating a lack of manners and respect for others. Let's try and remember that what you post about someone, you should just as well be able to say it to their face. And even if they aren't on the list...it's pretty guarenteed it will get back to them (-especially- in Detroit).I don't care if anyone care's or not, just take into consideration. The opening act showup that comes to mind first is when I saw Lamb open for Gus Gus at St.Andrews. Lamb blew Gus Gus's set away IMHO. d __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] magda haters in the house?
One word: Herbert e From: Saul Goode [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:35:49 -0400 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] magda haters in the house? me too... Can you folks think of anyone else? Ricardo Villalobos, Safety Scissors, Dimbiman, Dan Bell, Markus Nikolai, _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Four new tracks
# - dubby and groovy % - bangin' + - bangin' - - glitch get them all at http://mp3.com/bloch Christian Bloch http://mp3.com/bloch http://www.mp313.com/christianbloch.htm Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go/Restructured - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] as one / ubiquity
anyone already heard this one 12AS ONE, problems (Ubiquity) (4 tracker in true Kirk DeGiorgio style with a spoken word vocal on one mix and an instrumental version along with a blissed out new cut `if it aint broke` and a wicked Stacey Pullen remix of `another revolution`. superb!!!) .. . :: http://nomorewords.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] as one / ubiquity
I've only heard the little audio sample on Juno. I need to hear more before I buy it - I really want to hear the Pullen mix... I really like the 10 (Another Revolution) he did on Ubiquity recently... Cheers, Tom marsel: anyone already heard this one 12AS ONE, problems (Ubiquity) (4 tracker in true Kirk DeGiorgio style with a spoken word vocal on one mix and an instrumental version along with a blissed out new cut `if it aint broke` and a wicked Stacey Pullen remix of `another revolution`. superb!!!) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] namechecking cabaret voltaire
cool link with a bunch of peope namechecking the influentual electronic group... i posted this to multiple lists because it has quotes from groups on said lists about cv http://www.unitarypr.freeserve.co.uk/cv_boxquotes.htm Jim J. (ps - if this shows up more than once, my apologies I had tried to send this wednesday afternoon) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Eric Haupt
aparently he is still in the navy, and is stationed in norfolk. i have a buddy who was stationed with him in Keflavik, Iceland...i would guess that my buddy steve (still here steve, how ya doing?) knows him as well. ok, enough stories about my friends since i don't know s**t jeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Eric Haupt
i wonder if he's still mixen it up? FC3 Richards wrote: aparently he is still in the navy, and is stationed in norfolk. i have a buddy who was stationed with him in Keflavik, Iceland...i would guess that my buddy steve (still here steve, how ya doing?) knows him as well. ok, enough stories about my friends since i don't know s**t jeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] what ever happened to... was [313] Eric Haupt/upstage
- Original Message - From: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:49 AM Subject: [313] what ever happened to... was [313] Eric Haupt/upstage Hatatomic? Other mid-90's acts that no one has heard from in years? Pressure of Speach or Mickey Mann? Manna? Seefeel or Mark Clifford? Another Fine Day? Roupe? None of these are all that 313. Sorry... Tristan -- http://mp313.com - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info http://www.metatrackstudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Rockin' the Jaguar.....
Damn just listening to a rockin' remake of Jaguar, bloody fine track. Guitars, drums, bass, and heavy distortion, GGrrrRRrgGrrr Speaking of fine tracks, the new Herbert single is out soon, The Audience with a remix by Jamie Lidell, bloody amazing remix, although I'm not entirely sure what exactly is being remixed. Tosh - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] NIMDA Virus
Very nasty indeed. Not only through compromised websites, but through email (with attachment of readme.exe - that doesn't een have to be opened!) and through the unicode hole that allowed the code red worm through. Cheers. D I'll skip saying this is off topic but I just spent a long day on this problem and needed to share. This virus is pretty nasty since one way it infects your pc is thru compromised websites. I would recommend going to http://housecall.antivirus.com/housecall/start_corp.asp and scanning your machine. Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] what ever happened to... hatamoic
--- Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:49 AM Subject: [313] what ever happened to... was [313] Eric Haupt/upstage Hatatomic? Other mid-90's acts that no one has heard from in years? Well Aubrey is still in Detroit doing his thing, not sure where Greg is though. __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] NIMDA Virus
If you are using outlook as your mail client and are sent the virus with your the preview pane on, you will fire off the exe. Turning the pane on and off can be done under the 'View' menu for those not familiar with where it lives. Then if you get an unknown email you can just delete. Be careful of mails from friends with attachments as the virus scans for old subject lines and uses those instead of easily recognizable ones. dK Very nasty indeed. Not only through compromised websites, but through email (with attachment of readme.exe - that doesn't een have to be opened!) and through the unicode hole that allowed the code red worm through. Cheers. D I'll skip saying this is off topic but I just spent a long day on this problem and needed to share. This virus is pretty nasty since one way it infects your pc is thru compromised websites. I would recommend going to http://housecall.antivirus.com/housecall/start_corp.asp and scanning your machine. Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] IF mix
What was the link? thanks in advance, r. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Limited Edition Theo Parrish Sound Signature Mix CD's
Saw about 6 of these at Temple Records yesterday on CD, one was from the liquid room in Tokyo. Can anyone recommend the best one from this series? /\/\/\/\/\ Pete --- Peter Grammenos Goldman Sachs Co. Tel : 212.902.2446 --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] IF mix
What was the link? http://www.hotmix.nl/mixnet/ Karl 'Dr. Nutcracker' Noten http://www.capsite.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] IF mix
What was the link? http://www.hotmix.nl/mixnet/ Karl 'Dr. Nutcracker' Noten http://www.capsite.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] IF mix
What was the link? http://www.hotmix.nl/mixnet/ Karl 'Dr. Nutcracker' Noten http://www.capsite.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] IF mix
Sorry... Karl 'Dr. Nutcracker' Noten http://www.capsite.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] 4 the aussies
Collectors Corner on Swanston St (over the road from the Lounge) has some good stuff, at least for techno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: melbourne 313ers which are good shops for techno house apart from octave mighty music? thanx p-dogg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- zog dontrii album now at http://www.crispydisc.com/ nerd nerd nerd at http://www.linuxbandwagon.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Kenny Larkin
I know this was asked in the last 6 months or so, but any news on what Kenny Larkin is up to? There were rumours, if I recall, that he's given up on music for his comedy. And other rumours that an LP was imminent. I was listening to the Dark Comedy LP this morning: a fine soundtrack to my Championship Manager skiving from work shenanigans. Jonny. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] BBC BREAKING NEWS ! - Off topic
** Entertainment UK Limited Registered Office: 243 Blyth Road, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 1DN. Registered in England Numbered 409775 This e-mail is only intended for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions or comments are personal to the writer and do not represent the official view of the company. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you for your co-operation. ** Sorry to go off topic but I thought this was worth posting ... There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power of CNN. All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company. In Particular, one set of images caught my attention: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating celebration sweets and making funny faces for the camera. Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a super-power of communications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious of an issue. At the BBC here, we have these footages on videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images. But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people are hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind of broadcast has very high possiblity of causing waves of anger and rage against the Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those. Russell Grossman | Head of Internal Communication | BBC Third Floor | London Broadcasting House | LONDON W1A 1AA -- I thought so, the night they first showed those images, a BBC news reporter in Palestine (I forget her name) denied that these scenes were taking place. *** Important. This E-mail is intended for the above named person and may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If this has come to you in error you must take no action based on it, nor must you copy or show it to anyone; please inform the sender immediately. *** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already!
I'm really getting sick of this thing. The False CNN coverage is a hoax: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_154/1540102.st m and http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_402920.html?menu=news.latestheadlines CNN says fake footage claims are 'baseless and ridiculous' CNN says accusations it faked footage of Palestinians celebrating the US terror attacks are baseless. Palestinian journalists and officials reportedly claim the footage dates back to 1991, but was passed off as being current. CNN says a Reuters camera crew filmed the celebrations in East Jerusalem hours after the hijackings. It says the allegations stem from an email by a Brazilian student. The Universad Estatal de Campinas-Brasil (Unicamp) says one of its students sent the email after apparently receiving information from a professor at another institution. Marcio AV Carvalho later realised the claims were false and sent out a correction, says Unicamp. A spokesman said: The original message, however, was distributed all over the world, often with many distortions. A CNN spokesman told Ananova: CNN rejects as baseless and ridiculous an allegation being circulated by email and the internet claiming that CNN televised 10-year-old videotape to illustrate Palestinians celebrating in the wake of the horrific September 11 tragedies in the US. CNN applauds Unicamp for setting the record straight. The videotape in question was shot by a Reuters TV camera crew on September 11. According to the Islamic Republic News Agency, the Palestinian Journalists' Association has condemned CNN for journalistic treachery. Sorry to go off topic but I thought this was worth posting ... There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power of CNN. All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company. In Particular, one set of images caught my attention: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating celebration sweets and making funny faces for the camera. Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a super-power of communications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious of an issue. At the BBC here, we have these footages on videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images. But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people are hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind of broadcast has very high possiblity of causing waves of anger and rage against the Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those. Russell Grossman | Head of Internal Communication | BBC Third Floor | London Broadcasting House | LONDON W1A 1AA -- I thought so, the night they first showed those images, a BBC news reporter in Palestine (I forget her name) denied that these scenes were taking place. ** * Important. This E-mail is intended for the above named person and may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If this has come to you in error you must take no action based on it, nor must you copy or show it to anyone; please inform the sender immediately. ** * - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] BBC BREAKING NEWS ! - Off topic
Check out this website for a refute of this claim www.truthorfiction.com -Original Message- From: Gary Girard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:21 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] BBC BREAKING NEWS ! - Off topic ** Entertainment UK Limited Registered Office: 243 Blyth Road, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 1DN. Registered in England Numbered 409775 This e-mail is only intended for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions or comments are personal to the writer and do not represent the official view of the company. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you for your co-operation. ** Sorry to go off topic but I thought this was worth posting ... There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power of CNN. All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company. In Particular, one set of images caught my attention: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating celebration sweets and making funny faces for the camera. Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a super-power of communications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious of an issue. At the BBC here, we have these footages on videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images. But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people are hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind of broadcast has very high possiblity of causing waves of anger and rage against the Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those. Russell Grossman | Head of Internal Communication | BBC Third Floor | London Broadcasting House | LONDON W1A 1AA -- I thought so, the night they first showed those images, a BBC news reporter in Palestine (I forget her name) denied that these scenes were taking place. *** Important. This E-mail is intended for the above named person and may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If this has come to you in error you must take no action based on it, nor must you copy or show it to anyone; please inform the sender immediately. *** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Re: R: [313] BBC BREAKING NEWS ! - Off topic
Entertainment UK Limited Registered Office: 243 Blyth Road, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 1DN. Registered in England Numbered 409775 This e-mail is only intended for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions or comments are personal to the writer and do not represent the official view of the company. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you for your co-operation. Sorry Fab - I honestly don't know if it's true or not so I shouldn't have posted it, you're right. Sorry for anyone else who's taken offence! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313]online record stores
howdee well i live in Israel where there isn`t even one decent record shop so online store are what i have. www.smallfish.co.uk - r just great they have all the stuff they show on the site. www.blackmarket.at - great shop very very slow service but they have great selection. www.groovetech.com - this one is very good too. www.kompakt-net.de - very good service , great selection of koln dubby techno. www.hardwax.com- has a very good back catalog for detroit and chicago but can only deal with visa. groovetech satellite and all the rest r not as good as those up. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already!
ok, maybe you're right, but as far as I know, in those images all you can see is about 5 kids, a woman and two adults celebrating (about 9 or 10 people). That's all the celebration? is that all the footage CNN could get? Why are this images said to be celebration of the palestinians, for me it is a celebration of 10 palestiniansd, most of them kids... I think that is also distorting reality. I'm not defending anyone here, all I say is this type of things promote hate and violence, and that's exactly what we are trying to avoid, or is it not? I'm really getting sick of this thing. The False CNN coverage is a hoax: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_154/1540102.st m and http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_402920.html?menu=news.latestheadlines CNN says fake footage claims are 'baseless and ridiculous' CNN says accusations it faked footage of Palestinians celebrating the US terror attacks are baseless. Palestinian journalists and officials reportedly claim the footage dates back to 1991, but was passed off as being current. CNN says a Reuters camera crew filmed the celebrations in East Jerusalem hours after the hijackings. It says the allegations stem from an email by a Brazilian student. The Universad Estatal de Campinas-Brasil (Unicamp) says one of its students sent the email after apparently receiving information from a professor at another institution. Marcio AV Carvalho later realised the claims were false and sent out a correction, says Unicamp. A spokesman said: The original message, however, was distributed all over the world, often with many distortions. A CNN spokesman told Ananova: CNN rejects as baseless and ridiculous an allegation being circulated by email and the internet claiming that CNN televised 10-year-old videotape to illustrate Palestinians celebrating in the wake of the horrific September 11 tragedies in the US. CNN applauds Unicamp for setting the record straight. The videotape in question was shot by a Reuters TV camera crew on September 11. According to the Islamic Republic News Agency, the Palestinian Journalists' Association has condemned CNN for journalistic treachery. Sorry to go off topic but I thought this was worth posting ... There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power of CNN. All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company. In Particular, one set of images caught my attention: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating celebration sweets and making funny faces for the camera. Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a super-power of communications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious of an issue. At the BBC here, we have these footages on videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images. But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people are hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind of broadcast has very high possiblity of causing waves of anger and rage against the Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those. Russell Grossman | Head of Internal Communication | BBC Third Floor | London Broadcasting House | LONDON W1A 1AA -- I thought so, the night they first showed those images, a BBC news reporter in Palestine (I forget her name) denied that these scenes were taking place. ** * Important. This E-mail is intended for the above named person and may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If this has come to you in error you must take no action based on it, nor must you copy or show it to anyone; please inform the sender immediately. ** * - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Eric Haupt
he stopped into record time about two years ago or so while on leave, and picked up some vinyl-- that was the first id heard from him in two-to-three years, at the time. matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:42 AM To: FC3 Richards; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Eric Haupt i wonder if he's still mixen it up? FC3 Richards wrote: aparently he is still in the navy, and is stationed in norfolk. i have a buddy who was stationed with him in Keflavik, Iceland...i would guess that my buddy steve (still here steve, how ya doing?) knows him as well. ok, enough stories about my friends since i don't know s**t jeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New Drexciya!
For all U who are waiting for new Drexciya productions just check out Spesimen's latest twelve... especially Centauri !!! Love it !!! It happened to be that I also recently interviewed Spesimen for our own mag. about his new release on Amici Curiae recordings, and what he does today !!! ...at http://www.capsite.net !!! And klik the Audio button... Ya'll gonna love this magazine too. Karl 'Dr. Nutcracker' - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New Drexciya!
For all U who are waiting for new Drexciya productions just check out Spesimen's latest twelve... especially Centauri !!! Love it !!! actually it's centali :P, and i wouldn't compare it so much to drexciya, it reminds me more of basic channel inspired electro, sweeping soulful chords, very beautiful..but there is a dash of ur/drexciya aquatics thrown in the pot [EMAIL PROTECTED] spesimen's stuff is amazing..seek out his earlier infocalypse releases if you can -- http://members.aol.com/infcalypse _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New Drexciya!
100% true !!! You're totally right there... Damn, Centali, still don't know what it means though... I was a little bit too hasty with my comments... well it's just busy at the recordstore. Karl. For all U who are waiting for new Drexciya productions just check out Spesimen's latest twelve... especially Centauri !!! Love it !!! actually it's centali :P, and i wouldn't compare it so much to drexciya, it reminds me more of basic channel inspired electro, sweeping soulful chords, very beautiful..but there is a dash of ur/drexciya aquatics thrown in the pot [EMAIL PROTECTED] spesimen's stuff is amazing..seek out his earlier infocalypse releases if you can -- http://members.aol.com/infcalypse _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Kenny Larkin
Jonny McIntosh wrote: I know this was asked in the last 6 months or so, but any news on what Kenny Larkin is up to? There were rumours, if I recall, that he's given up on music for his comedy. And other rumours that an LP was imminent. He DJed in the Netherlands a few times recently, the last time less than a month ago (he opened his set with Arne Weinberg - Snowflake, yay!), so I don't think he's given up on music. Otto PS I think his new album will be released together with Derrick May's new one. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already!
Let's just clarify one thing here buddy... anti-Muslim or anti-Arab sentiment, as wrong as it is, CAN NOT be equated with Racism. Why, you ask? Because Arabs do not represent a distinct Racial group. Technically they are Caucasian, but ETHNICALLY they are Semitic peoples... the same as Jews! In fact, Jews and Arabs are genetic cousins; there has been scientific research done to this effect. I'm really getting sick of people calling it Racism. What we're talking about is anti-Arab or anti-semitic behavior, not Racism. Don't mince words! -J on 9/20/01 6:05 PM, gord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't going to post anything to this list about this topic (since it really isn't the forum for it), but this is a great point. Much of the mainstream media has been putting a very racist spin on this and has created a dangerous situation. I have heard personally from one Islamic man living here who has received a number of death threats. I also know that there are a lot of Palestinians living in North America who are scared to walk the streets for fear of racist backlash. The analogy I always like to draw for people is if Timothy McVeigh had bombed a building in Iraq, would you feel it was right for the people of Iraq to blame the entire United States for it and want to retaliate against us? Would you, as a fellow American, feel any connection at all to his actions? I'm sure this is how the majority of Palestinian people feel at the point. For the media to show that footage and imply that it represents the feelings of all Palestinians is atrocious. g On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 12:24 PM, David González wrote: ok, maybe you're right, but as far as I know, in those images all you can see is about 5 kids, a woman and two adults celebrating (about 9 or 10 people). That's all the celebration? is that all the footage CNN could get? Why are this images said to be celebration of the palestinians, for me it is a celebration of 10 palestiniansd, most of them kids... I think that is also distorting reality. I'm not defending anyone here, all I say is this type of things promote hate and violence, and that's exactly what we are trying to avoid, or is it not? I'm really getting sick of this thing. The False CNN coverage is a hoax: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_154/1540102. st m and http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_402920.html?menu=news.latestheadlines CNN says fake footage claims are 'baseless and ridiculous' . . . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] AMG at Borders in Ann Arbor
Hi Everyone, You're all welcome to stop by the Borders in downtown AA tonight for a presentation/book-signing for the All Music Guide to Electronica. It's at 7pm, and the basic set-up is me playing a few of my favorite tracks, then talking about the progression of electronic music from the '60s to the '90s, etc. If that's not enough, Rob Theakston and Bill Van Loo will be handling the sound before and after my wanky speech. ; And of course, everybody's going to be downtown anyway, for Unite Through Music a coupla blocks down (details below). John thursday 9.20 ann arbor: michigan unite through music: a benefit for the disaster relief fund of new york city. kevin saunderson mike scroggs electronic dance coalition sanctioned by the red cross. all proceeds go towards relief efforts. doors: 9pm sharp $10 18-20 $8 21+ nectos : 516 east liberty : ann arbor michigan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already!
um, mincing words means to quibble about precise definitions when the general meaning of the discussion is clear. you're the one who's mincing words. i think you meant to say, don't misuse words, but whether you call it racism, ethnic discrimination, anti-semitism or anything else, the fact remains that all sorts of americans who don't look like johnny whitebread are being harassed, discriminated against and in some cases killed because xenophobic americans, looking to alleviate their feelings of powerless, are lashing out against anyone they think even looks like they could be a terrorist. my south asian boyfriend's a grad student in liberal bastion ann arbor of all places, and he's been getting pointed at in the residence halls, hassled by teen-agers at dairy queen and generally made to feel like he shouldn't be showing his face. this is happening all over the country, and harassment is the least of it. you seem to feel very superior that you know the difference between a race, an ethnic group, etc., but what's your point? does it do a sikh man who's being gunned down at a gas station in arizona any good to argue that not only are arabs caucasians, but that sikhs aren't arabs at all but are south asians? i don't think so. brian dillard -Original Message- From: Jason Kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:21 AM To: gord; David González Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! Let's just clarify one thing here buddy... anti-Muslim or anti-Arab sentiment, as wrong as it is, CAN NOT be equated with Racism. Why, you ask? Because Arabs do not represent a distinct Racial group. Technically they are Caucasian, but ETHNICALLY they are Semitic peoples... the same as Jews! In fact, Jews and Arabs are genetic cousins; there has been scientific research done to this effect. I'm really getting sick of people calling it Racism. What we're talking about is anti-Arab or anti-semitic behavior, not Racism. Don't mince words! -J on 9/20/01 6:05 PM, gord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't going to post anything to this list about this topic (since it really isn't the forum for it), but this is a great point. Much of the mainstream media has been putting a very racist spin on this and has created a dangerous situation. I have heard personally from one Islamic man living here who has received a number of death threats. I also know that there are a lot of Palestinians living in North America who are scared to walk the streets for fear of racist backlash. The analogy I always like to draw for people is if Timothy McVeigh had bombed a building in Iraq, would you feel it was right for the people of Iraq to blame the entire United States for it and want to retaliate against us? Would you, as a fellow American, feel any connection at all to his actions? I'm sure this is how the majority of Palestinian people feel at the point. For the media to show that footage and imply that it represents the feelings of all Palestinians is atrocious. g On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 12:24 PM, David González wrote: ok, maybe you're right, but as far as I know, in those images all you can see is about 5 kids, a woman and two adults celebrating (about 9 or 10 people). That's all the celebration? is that all the footage CNN could get? Why are this images said to be celebration of the palestinians, for me it is a celebration of 10 palestiniansd, most of them kids... I think that is also distorting reality. I'm not defending anyone here, all I say is this type of things promote hate and violence, and that's exactly what we are trying to avoid, or is it not? I'm really getting sick of this thing. The False CNN coverage is a hoax: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_154/1540102. st m and http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_402920.html?menu=news.latestheadlines CNN says fake footage claims are 'baseless and ridiculous' . . . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already!
Brian, What do you really expect? The Arab world has their extremists and we have ours. There is NOTHING the media could say to stop these senseless killings from happening. When I hear of a guy throwing a gas bomb into someone's home and hitting a little kid but thankfully not exploding it gets me sick. We all know that there are so many Americans on the edge anyway; they've found an excuse to commit horrible acts. Hopefully it won't get completely out of hand but I'm not very confident in that belief. Peace, Alex Brian Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org .comcc: Subject: RE: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! 09/20/01 03:42 PM um, mincing words means to quibble about precise definitions when the general meaning of the discussion is clear. you're the one who's mincing words. i think you meant to say, don't misuse words, but whether you call it racism, ethnic discrimination, anti-semitism or anything else, the fact remains that all sorts of americans who don't look like johnny whitebread are being harassed, discriminated against and in some cases killed because xenophobic americans, looking to alleviate their feelings of powerless, are lashing out against anyone they think even looks like they could be a terrorist. my south asian boyfriend's a grad student in liberal bastion ann arbor of all places, and he's been getting pointed at in the residence halls, hassled by teen-agers at dairy queen and generally made to feel like he shouldn't be showing his face. this is happening all over the country, and harassment is the least of it. you seem to feel very superior that you know the difference between a race, an ethnic group, etc., but what's your point? does it do a sikh man who's being gunned down at a gas station in arizona any good to argue that not only are arabs caucasians, but that sikhs aren't arabs at all but are south asians? i don't think so. brian dillard -Original Message- From: Jason Kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:21 AM To: gord; David González Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! Let's just clarify one thing here buddy... anti-Muslim or anti-Arab sentiment, as wrong as it is, CAN NOT be equated with Racism. Why, you ask? Because Arabs do not represent a distinct Racial group. Technically they are Caucasian, but ETHNICALLY they are Semitic peoples... the same as Jews! In fact, Jews and Arabs are genetic cousins; there has been scientific research done to this effect. I'm really getting sick of people calling it Racism. What we're talking about is anti-Arab or anti-semitic behavior, not Racism. Don't mince words! -J on 9/20/01 6:05 PM, gord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't going to post anything to this list about this topic (since it really isn't the forum for it), but this is a great point. Much of the mainstream media has been putting a very racist spin on this and has created a dangerous situation. I have heard personally from one Islamic man living here who has received a number of death threats. I also know that there are a lot of Palestinians living in North America who are scared to walk the streets for fear of racist backlash. The analogy I always like to draw for people is if Timothy McVeigh had bombed a building in Iraq, would you feel it was right for the people of Iraq to blame the entire United States for it and want to retaliate against us? Would you, as a fellow American, feel any connection at all to his actions? I'm sure this is how the majority of Palestinian people feel at the point. For the media to show that footage and imply that it represents the feelings of all Palestinians is atrocious. g On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 12:24 PM, David González wrote:
Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already!
You're right... I misused the term mincing words, ironically enough. But I guess my point is that it is not just Johnny Whitebread who might be persecuting Arabs right now. I don't know about Ann Arbor, but where I live in very ethnically diverse Brooklyn, I have heard *racially diverse* people (Black, White, and Hispanic) express suspicion towards Arab or Muslim residents. It is not a racial issue because, although Billy Redneck might tend to be the one who actually commits an act of violence towards someone who may not even be Arab, there is no specific racial allegiance amongst non-whites that embraces Arabs either. These are cultural and ethnic biases that people of many races have. For example, there have been longtime tensions between Arab and Black communities in certain areas including Harlem and Detroit, which has the largest Arab population in the country. Perhaps I came off a little strong, but I just don't think this type of prejudice should necessarily be confused with Racism. -J on 9/20/01 7:42 PM, Brian Dillard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: um, mincing words means to quibble about precise definitions when the general meaning of the discussion is clear. you're the one who's mincing words. i think you meant to say, don't misuse words, but whether you call it racism, ethnic discrimination, anti-semitism or anything else, the fact remains that all sorts of americans who don't look like johnny whitebread are being harassed, discriminated against and in some cases killed because xenophobic americans, looking to alleviate their feelings of powerless, are lashing out against anyone they think even looks like they could be a terrorist. my south asian boyfriend's a grad student in liberal bastion ann arbor of all places, and he's been getting pointed at in the residence halls, hassled by teen-agers at dairy queen and generally made to feel like he shouldn't be showing his face. this is happening all over the country, and harassment is the least of it. you seem to feel very superior that you know the difference between a race, an ethnic group, etc., but what's your point? does it do a sikh man who's being gunned down at a gas station in arizona any good to argue that not only are arabs caucasians, but that sikhs aren't arabs at all but are south asians? i don't think so. brian dillard -Original Message- From: Jason Kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:21 AM To: gord; David González Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! Let's just clarify one thing here buddy... anti-Muslim or anti-Arab sentiment, as wrong as it is, CAN NOT be equated with Racism. Why, you ask? Because Arabs do not represent a distinct Racial group. Technically they are Caucasian, but ETHNICALLY they are Semitic peoples... the same as Jews! In fact, Jews and Arabs are genetic cousins; there has been scientific research done to this effect. I'm really getting sick of people calling it Racism. What we're talking about is anti-Arab or anti-semitic behavior, not Racism. Don't mince words! -J on 9/20/01 6:05 PM, gord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't going to post anything to this list about this topic (since it really isn't the forum for it), but this is a great point. Much of the mainstream media has been putting a very racist spin on this and has created a dangerous situation. I have heard personally from one Islamic man living here who has received a number of death threats. I also know that there are a lot of Palestinians living in North America who are scared to walk the streets for fear of racist backlash. The analogy I always like to draw for people is if Timothy McVeigh had bombed a building in Iraq, would you feel it was right for the people of Iraq to blame the entire United States for it and want to retaliate against us? Would you, as a fellow American, feel any connection at all to his actions? I'm sure this is how the majority of Palestinian people feel at the point. For the media to show that footage and imply that it represents the feelings of all Palestinians is atrocious. g On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 12:24 PM, David González wrote: ok, maybe you're right, but as far as I know, in those images all you can see is about 5 kids, a woman and two adults celebrating (about 9 or 10 people). That's all the celebration? is that all the footage CNN could get? Why are this images said to be celebration of the palestinians, for me it is a celebration of 10 palestiniansd, most of them kids... I think that is also distorting reality. I'm not defending anyone here, all I say is this type of things promote hate and violence, and that's exactly what we are trying to avoid, or is it not? I'm really getting sick of this thing. The False CNN coverage is a hoax:
RE: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already!
i completely agree that it's not just johnny whitebread who's doing the persecuting. in my original post i said it was people who don't look like johnny whitebread who are BEING persecuted, but perhaps i should have said that it's people who don't fall into an instantly recognizable ethnic group which is well-established in the united states. i think there are lots of instances of blacks / whites / hispanics and even east asians not knowing or in some cases caring about the rich diversity of ethnic and national groups that exist outside what we traditionally think of as the four main ethnic groups. hence sikhs getting harassed because people think they're arabs, pakastani women being threatened, etc. american thinking on race generally tends toward gradual, if grudging, acceptance of specific groups once they have reached a certain population and economic level in this country. remember, at one time italians, poles, even the irish were considered unsavory ethnic groups even though they were eventually subsumed into the illusory caucasian ethnic group. at any rate, i DO think it's the responsability of the media not to just broadcast the same platitudes about not turning against our own from politicians, but to educate about the many, many nationalities and ethnicities that may seem, during these trying times, to be arabic. all the rhetoric i'm hearing kind of just casually mentions that non-arabs are being harassed; i think that people are so frightened of seeming like they're saying it's ok to harass arabs as long as you're sure that they're arabs that not enough is being said about racial, ethnic and religious diversity of those parts of the world that aren't america/europe/china/japan/africa. my $.02. brian -Original Message- From: Jason Kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:20 AM To: Brian Dillard; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! You're right... I misused the term mincing words, ironically enough. But I guess my point is that it is not just Johnny Whitebread who might be persecuting Arabs right now. I don't know about Ann Arbor, but where I live in very ethnically diverse Brooklyn, I have heard *racially diverse* people (Black, White, and Hispanic) express suspicion towards Arab or Muslim residents. It is not a racial issue because, although Billy Redneck might tend to be the one who actually commits an act of violence towards someone who may not even be Arab, there is no specific racial allegiance amongst non-whites that embraces Arabs either. These are cultural and ethnic biases that people of many races have. For example, there have been longtime tensions between Arab and Black communities in certain areas including Harlem and Detroit, which has the largest Arab population in the country. Perhaps I came off a little strong, but I just don't think this type of prejudice should necessarily be confused with Racism. -J on 9/20/01 7:42 PM, Brian Dillard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: um, mincing words means to quibble about precise definitions when the general meaning of the discussion is clear. you're the one who's mincing words. i think you meant to say, don't misuse words, but whether you call it racism, ethnic discrimination, anti-semitism or anything else, the fact remains that all sorts of americans who don't look like johnny whitebread are being harassed, discriminated against and in some cases killed because xenophobic americans, looking to alleviate their feelings of powerless, are lashing out against anyone they think even looks like they could be a terrorist. my south asian boyfriend's a grad student in liberal bastion ann arbor of all places, and he's been getting pointed at in the residence halls, hassled by teen-agers at dairy queen and generally made to feel like he shouldn't be showing his face. this is happening all over the country, and harassment is the least of it. you seem to feel very superior that you know the difference between a race, an ethnic group, etc., but what's your point? does it do a sikh man who's being gunned down at a gas station in arizona any good to argue that not only are arabs caucasians, but that sikhs aren't arabs at all but are south asians? i don't think so. brian dillard -Original Message- From: Jason Kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:21 AM To: gord; David González Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! Let's just clarify one thing here buddy... anti-Muslim or anti-Arab sentiment, as wrong as it is, CAN NOT be equated with Racism. Why, you ask? Because Arabs do not represent a distinct Racial group. Technically they are Caucasian, but ETHNICALLY they are Semitic peoples... the same as Jews! In fact, Jews and Arabs are genetic cousins; there has been scientific research done to this effect. I'm really getting
RE: [313] Hate...was false CNN reporting
There may be nothing that the popular MEDIA can say or do but as citizens of the US there is something each and every one of us CAN do. Search out organizations in your area that are supporting local Muslim communities and get active with them. Learn about the Qu'ron (Koran), read it even. Speak out against injustices you see, or even hear about. Get involved with Amnesty International. Write to your community broadcasters, newspapers, politicians, GET F*CKING INVOLVED PEOPLE! If you think this is going to be another Desert Storm, think again. Here's some info on why Afghans have fled their country: http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/countries/afghanistan?OpenViewStart=1Count=30Expandall and this - which takes some time and courage to read completely through http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/afgan/afgtoc.htm What gets me about all this is that there has been little talk about how the Taleban (Taliban) came to power. Can you guess why? Along those lines, there doesn't seem to be any coverage of dissedent voices anywhere and that scares the sh*t out of me. Check this out for an interesting analysis about the lack of criticism of US policy (thanks Sarah!) Noroomfordissentasspiritofflagwavingsweepsthenation.doc peace MEK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brian Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:48:26 -0400 Brian, What do you really expect? The Arab world has their extremists and we have ours. There is NOTHING the media could say to stop these senseless killings from happening. When I hear of a guy throwing a gas bomb into someone's home and hitting a little kid but thankfully not exploding it gets me sick. We all know that there are so many Americans on the edge anyway; they've found an excuse to commit horrible acts. Hopefully it won't get completely out of hand but I'm not very confident in that belief. Peace, Alex Brian Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org .comcc: Subject: RE: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! 09/20/01 03:42 PM um, mincing words means to quibble about precise definitions when the general meaning of the discussion is clear. you're the one who's mincing words. i think you meant to say, don't misuse words, but whether you call it racism, ethnic discrimination, anti-semitism or anything else, the fact remains that all sorts of americans who don't look like johnny whitebread are being harassed, discriminated against and in some cases killed because xenophobic americans, looking to alleviate their feelings of powerless, are lashing out against anyone they think even looks like they could be a terrorist. my south asian boyfriend's a grad student in liberal bastion ann arbor of all places, and he's been getting pointed at in the residence halls, hassled by teen-agers at dairy queen and generally made to feel like he shouldn't be showing his face. this is happening all over the country, and harassment is the least of it. you seem to feel very superior that you know the difference between a race, an ethnic group, etc., but what's your point? does it do a sikh man who's being gunned down at a gas station in arizona any good to argue that not only are arabs caucasians, but that sikhs aren't arabs at all but are south asians? i don't think so. brian dillard -Original Message- From: Jason Kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:21 AM To: gord; David González Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! Let's just clarify one thing here buddy... anti-Muslim or anti-Arab sentiment, as wrong as it is, CAN NOT be equated with Racism. Why, you ask? Because Arabs do not represent a distinct Racial group. Technically they are Caucasian, but ETHNICALLY they are Semitic peoples... the same as Jews! In fact, Jews and Arabs are genetic cousins; there has been scientific research done to this effect. I'm really getting sick of people calling it Racism. What we're talking about is anti-Arab or anti-semitic behavior, not Racism. Don't mince words! -J on 9/20/01 6:05 PM, gord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't going to post anything to this list about this topic (since it really isn't the forum for it), but this is a great point. Much of the mainstream media has been putting a very racist spin on this and has created a dangerous situation. I have heard personally from one Islamic man living here who has received a number of death threats. I also know that there are a lot of Palestinians living in North America who are scared to walk the streets for fear of racist backlash. The analogy I always like to draw for people is if Timothy McVeigh had bombed a building in Iraq,
Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already!
You can also look at how Palestinian's are treated by the Israeli government to see why there are militant Islamic groups! In addition, we supported bin Laden during the Afghan war against the USSR. We gave him support from the CIA, and the military. Then we looked the other way as the Taleban took control of Afghanistan... they did this with the arms we gave them during the Afghan-Soviet war. I will supply the resources to back this up if you want. peace MEK From: Erin Swenson-Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:23:16 -0700 From the Quraan: Surah Al-Ma'idah (Chapter 5) 51. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust). America has always declared itself a Christian Nation, and has supplied Israel, a Hebrew Nation with countless military aid. You can do the math and figure out why militant Islamic groups don't like us. erin - Original Message - From: Brian Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! um, mincing words means to quibble about precise definitions when the general meaning of the discussion is clear. you're the one who's mincing words. i think you meant to say, don't misuse words, but whether you call it racism, ethnic discrimination, anti-semitism or anything else, the fact remains that all sorts of americans who don't look like johnny whitebread are being harassed, discriminated against and in some cases killed because xenophobic americans, looking to alleviate their feelings of powerless, are lashing out against anyone they think even looks like they could be a terrorist. my south asian boyfriend's a grad student in liberal bastion ann arbor of all places, and he's been getting pointed at in the residence halls, hassled by teen-agers at dairy queen and generally made to feel like he shouldn't be showing his face. this is happening all over the country, and harassment is the least of it. you seem to feel very superior that you know the difference between a race, an ethnic group, etc., but what's your point? does it do a sikh man who's being gunned down at a gas station in arizona any good to argue that not only are arabs caucasians, but that sikhs aren't arabs at all but are south asians? i don't think so. brian dillard -Original Message- From: Jason Kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:21 AM To: gord; David González Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! Let's just clarify one thing here buddy... anti-Muslim or anti-Arab sentiment, as wrong as it is, CAN NOT be equated with Racism. Why, you ask? Because Arabs do not represent a distinct Racial group. Technically they are Caucasian, but ETHNICALLY they are Semitic peoples... the same as Jews! In fact, Jews and Arabs are genetic cousins; there has been scientific research done to this effect. I'm really getting sick of people calling it Racism. What we're talking about is anti-Arab or anti-semitic behavior, not Racism. Don't mince words! -J on 9/20/01 6:05 PM, gord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't going to post anything to this list about this topic (since it really isn't the forum for it), but this is a great point. Much of the mainstream media has been putting a very racist spin on this and has created a dangerous situation. I have heard personally from one Islamic man living here who has received a number of death threats. I also know that there are a lot of Palestinians living in North America who are scared to walk the streets for fear of racist backlash. The analogy I always like to draw for people is if Timothy McVeigh had bombed a building in Iraq, would you feel it was right for the people of Iraq to blame the entire United States for it and want to retaliate against us? Would you, as a fellow American, feel any connection at all to his actions? I'm sure this is how the majority of Palestinian people feel at the point. For the media to show that footage and imply that it represents the feelings of all Palestinians is atrocious. g On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 12:24 PM, David González wrote: ok, maybe you're right, but as far as I know, in those images all you can see is about 5 kids, a woman and two adults celebrating (about 9 or 10 people). That's all the celebration? is that all the footage CNN could get? Why are this images said to be celebration of the palestinians, for me it is a celebration of 10 palestiniansd, most of them kids... I think that is also
Re: [313] Enough
hey buddy, race1 (rs) n. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. A genealogical line; a lineage. Humans considered as a group. Biology. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine. what we're talking about IS racism let's not be so harsh next time kaojyan jason kessler wrote: Let's just clarify one thing here buddy... anti-Muslim or anti-Arab sentiment, as wrong as it is, CAN NOT be equated with Racism. Why, you ask? Because Arabs do not represent a distinct Racial group. Technically they are Caucasian, but ETHNICALLY they are Semitic peoples... the same as Jews! In fact, Jews and Arabs are genetic cousins; there has been scientific research done to this effect. I'm really getting sick of people calling it Racism. What we're talking about is anti-Arab or anti-semitic behavior, not Racism. Don't mince words! -J - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Kenny Larkin
I dont know tons of details, but as far as I know Kenny Larkin is not planning on giving up music for comedy. I actually spoke with him about this subject because I to was concerned. His response was that he was relocating to California (LA I think he said) in order to persue his comedy. He did specify that he was definitely going to continue to produce and perform but is just changing his home base, ie traveling back and forth from that location. chana _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Top-10 related mix online
DJ Cougar Shuttle did this mix a while back but just decided to put it up. It has 313 top-10 type tracks and some bangers thrown in for good measure. I think many of the people on this list would enjoy it. http://www.beigerecords.com/media/audio/djcs.ram cheers Darius. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
