Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
there were artists in the early to mid 70s that used the word techno to describe their musics... I will look up for record for sure, but I know its some spacerock comp I have -Joe - Original Message - From: Neontsetse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? Agreed the mixmag one left something to be desired... Maybe start your work here: http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/index.htm I learnt something from there now, I didn´t know before: IDM means intelligent dance music ? :O :o :/ :) ;) :D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I D M ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Intelligent dance music ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 1. techno appears the first time an individual associated with detroit techno comes out with an album. one of the big three in this case. öhem, in this detail-case I disagree with you: techno - was not only invented in da D Take YMO - 25 Sep 1979 SOLID STATE SURVIVOR 1st track - technopolis 25 Oct 1979 - Technopolis 7inch Technopolis is a mixed word - techno and metropolis but just one example - the whole complex - futuristic thoughts incl. the aspect of technology making futuristic art using modern technology - is old And I´m quite sure it was there in the golden age of Nubia - But - Juan Atkins way to work with this this collective cultural matter was awesome and what happened then and why there is this list - it´s a big amount of aspects which created the special D-Techno - Juan Atkins is like the father of this phenomenan m planetz2002
(313) first techno record
Most certainly Sharivari is the first techno record from detroit. It preceded Alleys of your Mind by Cybotron by at least six months in release. Some techno heads would argue that kraftwerk was the first to produce techno, but from detroit it is A Number of Names with Sharivari. Regards, Dr. Attaman chicago
Re: (313) first techno record
well and who are the artists behind Sharivari and Cybotron. people say Juan Atkins is the creator. is it him?
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RE: (313) Dan Bell sample - Answer.
The 12 in question is by Jim Ingram. I believe the EP is called 'Vision to Vison', and has a pic of Jurgen Schrempf and Bob Eaton, the CEOs behind the Diamler-Chrysler merger on one side. I have one copy left at Melodies and Memories-- I believe its 9.99US. Matthew -Original Message- From: marc christensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:01 PM To: Tristan Watkins; Matthew MacQueen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] org [The Music Institute] (E-mail) Cc: marc christensen Subject: Re: (313) Dan Bell sample okay, you guys are dead-on. but where did Shakir get the quote? Who is speaking? -marc At 12:29 AM +0100 10/10/02, Tristan Watkins wrote: - Original Message - From: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] org [The Music Institute] (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:49 PM Subject: RE: (313) Dan Bell sample I always figured it was the intro to the Shake track 'Detroit State of Mind', since he fades out to it and the tempo drops so much... err wait, sounds like I have the wrong Shake release then.. [[OOPS]]. Is this track from 'Waiting for Russell' on Frictional, then ? sorry! Per the fine work at http://www.twoplayer.co.uk/shake/, you are correct, sir! Waiting For Russell it is. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) New Mix at threeonethree.com
This month's mix is by listmember Christian Bloch. Go to the website at http://threeonethree.com and grab the full length 128K mp3, then go to your local record store and check out some of his recent 12s.
Re: (313) first techno record
Here's the scoop on which was first: http://www.techno-rebels.com/ANON.html So Alleys of Your Mind was released first, but both that and Charivari had been made quite a while before and both had some exposure in the party scene. I think the proper explanation is that BOTH were first. In other words, it's not worth fighting over because both had tremendous impact at the right moment. Fred
(313) Deafmosaic.com
hey i just put up this page for my friend with his dj mix on it. harder techno but some people might like it here http://www.deafmosaic.com tracklist is: Gunjack Fall '02 DJ Mix 1. Intro 2. Regis - Penetration - (Downwards) 3. Paul Mac - Breakthrough - (Hardcell remix) - (Stimulus) 4. Utility Plastics - Utility Plastics - (Utility Plastics) 5. Gunjack - Kevlar - (remix) - (Sheep) 6. Christian Wunsch - Contamination - (Sheep) 7. Gunjack - Gaijin -(dub) - (Sheep) 8. Gunjack - Outlands - (Mark Broom remix) - (Sheep) 9. Gunjack - Hedshot - (TechnoCity) 10. Gunjack - Hedshot - (TechnoCity) 11. Circus - Abstract3 - (Deafmosaic) 12. Designer Music - Good Girls - (PlanetE) 13. Female - Role Restriction - (Downwards) 14. Christian Wunsch - Borovicka - (Rumenige remix) - (Tsunami) 15. Oscar Mulero - 91/61/91 - (Warm Up) 16. Surgeon - Ice - (Dynamic Tension) 17. V/A - a Disintigration of Your Art - (Downwards) 18.. Rue East - Nonstop - (Phont) 19. Paul Mac - Bits of These - (Native) 20. Oscar Mulero - CV is Dead - (Warm Up) 21. Jak - Modern Myth - (Circus remix) - (Deafmosaic) 22.. Utility Plastics - Utility Plastics - (Utility Plastics) 23. Marco Bailey - Alto Cerro - (Hertz Johan Bacto remix) - (MB Elektronics) 24. Chris Liebing - Analogon - (Gaetano Parisio remix) 25. Rue East - Asserted View - (Phont) 26. Billy Cobham - Heather - (Atlantic)
RE: (313) OT: headphones
I use the Sennheiser HD-25SPs, and the only complaint I have is the aforementioned tangling of the wire leading to each earpiece. $99.00 from ProSound. Extremely lightweight, and excellent sound. Matthew -Original Message- From: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:15 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: headphones
Re: (313) first techno record
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Jason wrote: Most certainly Sharivari is the first techno record from detroit. It preceded Alleys of your Mind by Cybotron by at least six months in release. Some techno heads would argue that kraftwerk was the first to produce techno, but from detroit it is A Number of Names with Sharivari. this appears to be based on the first definition. i guess it really depends on how deep you want to go theoretically. there's a problem of prolepsis--projecting the future onto the past. in this case, we don't have any substantial proof that the creators of shari vari either sought out to create a new genre, or knew that they DID create a new genre, much less come up with the name that we're placing on it (techno) in hindsight. it's more like we're taking shari vari or alleys of your mind and saying that it is techno because: 1. it comes from detroit 2. it sounds like later stuff that we call techno 3. some of the later stuff comes from the same artists if we want to just kick it around like this, then i really don't see why we'd just focus on detroit. there's no inherent reason for it if we're not going to some seminal text (verbal or written) that LITERALLY maps the term techno onto the music. on techno as a term originating in the seventies: this is an excellent point. i guess the question i'd have is, when did the term stick? Are there people walking around referring to techno that have the seventies stuff in their heads rather than either the detroit stuff or the european stuff that comes out in the nineties? peace lks
(313) RE: What's On This Weekend?
Yep Tristan, I too would recommend anything which Guy and Brendan do as they're a solid set of dudes who will consequently make a nice party atmosphere, although their style mostly isn't for me. But wait, where's you're regular review of System? :o) Is Mark Broom still standing out from a plain of homogenous 'tribal' bangers? Ken -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:37 PM To: 'Tristan Watkins'; Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: What's On This Weekend? I am staying in this weekend 'cos I am moving next weekend and need every penny I have - I can't even afford to get to the venues! On Friday, this is happening (see gif. below) and it's FREE. This is on on Saturday and also FREE before 10 I think: http://www.methodmusic.tk/ - very nice blokes who need supporting - a pity I can't be there but a lot of peeps I know are going. Have a good weekend whatever you do! -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:55 PM To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What's On This Weekend? Either of you boys have any idea what's happening this Friday or Saturday nights? Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
OK, how abt a more specific question: What was the first 'Dub-techno' record? (Deliberately vague.) I'm *not* assuming Mortiz von Oswald was involved either! Ken Audax: I completely agree on all of your points, and I wont post about it again. Its something I will look into doing when I have time to muck about. For something like this, you definately have to go to the sources. Tristan: I think we can safely say this is not the right list on which to undertakethis project. Perhaps you should set up your website with these questions,
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
here is what I know, or consider to be the start... Acid House - Phuture Ambient/Dub - Brian Eno Techno - Kraftwerk Hip Hop / Rap - Grand Master Flash Drum and Bass/Jungle - Grooverider (playing carl craig at 45) Industrial - Skinny Puppy
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Got any titles in mind for the Ambient/Dub sub-section? Sorry to get all pin-point narrow but folk were dismaying at how impossibly broad it was to define this area! k -Original Message- From: FC3 Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:11 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever? here is what I know, or consider to be the start... Acid House - Phuture Ambient/Dub - Brian Eno Techno - Kraftwerk Hip Hop / Rap - Grand Master Flash Drum and Bass/Jungle - Grooverider (playing carl craig at 45) Industrial - Skinny Puppy
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
I guess its always going to be open to debate, though for me the early Modell 500 stuff has more in common with Kraftwerk and Electro than Derrick May's early music. When I think of the earliest techno that really strated to forge a sound all of its own I personally think of Rhythim is Rhythim. 'Nude Photo' has been cited before as being the first true techno record (I think this was mentioned in Techno Rebels). Stewart ___ Freeserve AnyTime, only £13.99 per month with one month's FREE trial! For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Hip Hop / Rap - Grand Master Flash wasn't sugarhill gangs 'rappers delight' released sometime around '77.. Industrial - Skinny Puppy front 242 beat skinny puppy by about two years; they started back in '81 and 'puppy around '83. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
Re: (313) first techno record
First techno record? Kristallo by Kraftwerk. I'm not sure what LP it is on, but it dates from 1971-73. Whilst not produced strictly as a techno release, it has all the proper qualities required. Staying on a teutonic tip, Can's Chain Reaction, released in 1974 on Soon over Babaluma is more tribal than anything I've ever heard. Surely Man Machine and Spacelab on Die Mensch Maschine in 1978 are pure techno as well - Original Message - From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: Re: (313) first techno record On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Jason wrote: Most certainly Sharivari is the first techno record from detroit. It preceded Alleys of your Mind by Cybotron by at least six months in release. Some techno heads would argue that kraftwerk was the first to produce techno, but from detroit it is A Number of Names with Sharivari. this appears to be based on the first definition. i guess it really depends on how deep you want to go theoretically. there's a problem of prolepsis--projecting the future onto the past. in this case, we don't have any substantial proof that the creators of shari vari either sought out to create a new genre, or knew that they DID create a new genre, much less come up with the name that we're placing on it (techno) in hindsight. it's more like we're taking shari vari or alleys of your mind and saying that it is techno because: 1. it comes from detroit 2. it sounds like later stuff that we call techno 3. some of the later stuff comes from the same artists if we want to just kick it around like this, then i really don't see why we'd just focus on detroit. there's no inherent reason for it if we're not going to some seminal text (verbal or written) that LITERALLY maps the term techno onto the music. on techno as a term originating in the seventies: this is an excellent point. i guess the question i'd have is, when did the term stick? Are there people walking around referring to techno that have the seventies stuff in their heads rather than either the detroit stuff or the european stuff that comes out in the nineties? peace lks
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Industrial - Skinny Puppy not by about 10 years! - try Throbbing Gristle c 1975, Cabaret Voltaire 1977, Suicide 1974 ? Unless you are refering to industrial dance But I still think you'd be wrong Ian Andrews Metro Screen Sydney Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metroscreen.com.au Metro Screen Sydney Film Centre Paddington Town Hall P.O. Box 299 Paddington NSW 2021 Ph : 612 9361 5318 Fax: 612 9361 5320
RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever?
Good question! I always view the starting point of that strand of music as being Quadrant's Infinition on Planet E, but for reasons I would find hard to back up in an argument R-Tyme's Illusion often sounds like a dub-techno record to me. Why? Well, practically every early techno record was produced with no noticable delay or reverb on any of the sounds - the music sounded as if it was pressed directly on the surface of the vinyl. However the only early techno track I can think of which does use delay and reverb to give a sense of space between the listener and the sounds on the record is Illusion, which uses the dub-techno method of focusing the listener's attention on a simple chord sequence and then allowing the chords to drift off into the ether. I can't think of any earlier record right now that uses the same chord drift technique so R-Tyme's Illusion would be my pick... Brendan | -Original Message- | From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:12 AM | To: Phonopsia; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ca; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org | Subject: RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever? | | | OK, how abt a more specific question: What was the first 'Dub-techno' | record? (Deliberately vague.) | | I'm *not* assuming Mortiz von Oswald was involved either! | | Ken | | Audax: | I completely agree on all of your points, and I wont post about it | again. Its something I will look into doing when I have time to | muck about. | | For something like this, you definately have to go to the sources. | | Tristan: | | I think we can safely say this is not the right list on which to | undertakethis project. Perhaps you should set up your website with | these questions,
RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever?
Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Alright, I'll bite Dub - techno? Never heard of it, but it has to be Eddy Grant's 'Timewarp' surely...? (1981) Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/10/2002 09:28:48 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ca [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? Good question! I always view the starting point of that strand of music as being Quadrant's Infinition on Planet E, but for reasons I would find hard to back up in an argument R-Tyme's Illusion often sounds like a dub-techno record to me. Why? Well, practically every early techno record was produced with no noticable delay or reverb on any of the sounds - the music sounded as if it was pressed directly on the surface of the vinyl. However the only early techno track I can think of which does use delay and reverb to give a sense of space between the listener and the sounds on the record is Illusion, which uses the dub-techno method of focusing the listener's attention on a simple chord sequence and then allowing the chords to drift off into the ether. I can't think of any earlier record right now that uses the same chord drift technique so R-Tyme's Illusion would be my pick... Brendan | -Original Message- | From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:12 AM | To: Phonopsia; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ca; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org | Subject: RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever? | | | OK, how abt a more specific question: What was the first 'Dub-techno' | record? (Deliberately vague.) | | I'm *not* assuming Mortiz von Oswald was involved either! | | Ken | | Audax: | I completely agree on all of your points, and I wont post about it | again. Its something I will look into doing when I have time to | muck about. | | For something like this, you definately have to go to the sources. | | Tristan: | | I think we can safely say this is not the right list on which to | undertakethis project. Perhaps you should set up your website with | these questions, - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Financial Services Authority for investment business activities. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
Re: (313) first techno record
Anyone got kikrokos dj jungle. Strange disco wierdness then out of the blue comes a couple of minutes of pure techno bliss... I think k alexi sampled it in risque madness... From around 1977 I think First techno record? Kristallo by Kraftwerk. I'm not sure what LP it is on, but it dates from 1971-73. Whilst not produced strictly as a techno release, it has all the proper qualities required. Staying on a teutonic tip, Can's Chain Reaction, released in 1974 on Soon over Babaluma is more tribal than anything I've ever heard. Surely Man Machine and Spacelab on Die Mensch Maschine in 1978 are pure techno as well - Original Message - From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: Re: (313) first techno record On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Jason wrote: Most certainly Sharivari is the first techno record from detroit. It preceded Alleys of your Mind by Cybotron by at least six months in release. Some techno heads would argue that kraftwerk was the first to produce techno, but from detroit it is A Number of Names with Sharivari. this appears to be based on the first definition. i guess it really depends on how deep you want to go theoretically. there's a problem of prolepsis--projecting the future onto the past. in this case, we don't have any substantial proof that the creators of shari vari either sought out to create a new genre, or knew that they DID create a new genre, much less come up with the name that we're placing on it (techno) in hindsight. it's more like we're taking shari vari or alleys of your mind and saying that it is techno because: 1. it comes from detroit 2. it sounds like later stuff that we call techno 3. some of the later stuff comes from the same artists if we want to just kick it around like this, then i really don't see why we'd just focus on detroit. there's no inherent reason for it if we're not going to some seminal text (verbal or written) that LITERALLY maps the term techno onto the music. on techno as a term originating in the seventies: this is an excellent point. i guess the question i'd have is, when did the term stick? Are there people walking around referring to techno that have the seventies stuff in their heads rather than either the detroit stuff or the european stuff that comes out in the nineties? peace lks
(313) Detroit Beatdown
Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Morning Ladies and Gents. Bored at work this morning.. Picked up a copy of the new Detroit Beatdown Sounds Compilation yesterday. There's some good tracks on there, a couple by some guys I'd not heard of before. Anyone know 'em? Also - a new Theo track, 2 tracks from Eddie Fowlkes (one of which is really good), stuff from Mike Grant, Alton Miller etc etc. All in all, it's a good package, triple vinyl and the price is right, so give it a listen. Enjoy the weekend, Alex - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Financial Services Authority for investment business activities. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Rapper's Delight was only the frist Rap 12 to hit the top 40 it wasn't the first at all. Trevor Wilkes - Original Message - From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 3:52 AM Subject: RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever? Hip Hop / Rap - Grand Master Flash wasn't sugarhill gangs 'rappers delight' released sometime around '77.. Industrial - Skinny Puppy front 242 beat skinny puppy by about two years; they started back in '81 and 'puppy around '83. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
RE: (313) OT: headphones
I use the Sennheiser HD-25SPs, and the only complaint I have is the aforementioned tangling of the wire leading to each earpiece. $99.00 from ProSound. Extremely lightweight, and excellent sound. i have two pairs of these (one pair 8 years old) and it is a relatively trivial mod to have both cables coming out of one side. email me if you need explanation cheers robin...
RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever?
Brendan - sounds like you were thinking abt this before I asked! ... so no one thinks the early Basic Channel tracks were a definitive beginning of a dub/techno hybrid? For me, whilst something like 'Lyot's got the sea of reverb, it just hasn't got the 'stillness' (best word I can think of right now.) ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 9:43 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Alright, I'll bite Dub - techno? Never heard of it, but it has to be Eddy Grant's 'Timewarp' surely...? (1981) Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/10/2002 09:28:48 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ca [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? Good question! I always view the starting point of that strand of music as being Quadrant's Infinition on Planet E, but for reasons I would find hard to back up in an argument R-Tyme's Illusion often sounds like a dub-techno record to me. Why? Well, practically every early techno record was produced with no noticable delay or reverb on any of the sounds - the music sounded as if it was pressed directly on the surface of the vinyl. However the only early techno track I can think of which does use delay and reverb to give a sense of space between the listener and the sounds on the record is Illusion, which uses the dub-techno method of focusing the listener's attention on a simple chord sequence and then allowing the chords to drift off into the ether. I can't think of any earlier record right now that uses the same chord drift technique so R-Tyme's Illusion would be my pick... Brendan | -Original Message- | From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:12 AM | To: Phonopsia; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ca; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org | Subject: RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever? | | | OK, how abt a more specific question: What was the first 'Dub-techno' | record? (Deliberately vague.) | | I'm *not* assuming Mortiz von Oswald was involved either! | | Ken | | Audax: | I completely agree on all of your points, and I wont post about it | again. Its something I will look into doing when I have time to | muck about. | | For something like this, you definately have to go to the sources. | | Tristan: | | I think we can safely say this is not the right list on which to | undertakethis project. Perhaps you should set up your website with | these questions, - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Financial Services Authority for investment business activities. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever?
I do think that the Basic Channel records were the definitive beginning of the techno-dub hybrid, but I often find myself trying to think of earlier tracks that combine that stillness (I know what you mean about the English vocabulary being insufficient to describe in detail the effects that sort of music has on the listener!) with the sort of spacial production in techno that BC subsequently perfected. With that in mind, I'd definitely say Quadrant's Infinition, which came out (AFAIK) before the Basic Channel records but which sounds like a test run for the BC sound, what with the use of delay and filters to add a bit of space to the main synth chords. But you could argue that the key concept that initially defined dub-techno was that of origin unknown sounds, sounds which you *couldn't* imagine or visualise coming from a particular machine. I doubt I'm explaining myself very well, but if you listen to Infinition you can practically see Carl and Moritz with a Kurzweil or whatever, manipulating the VCF slider, while if you jump forward in time to Radiance or Quadrant Dub you really can't picture the devices producing the sounds at all. In that sense, I'd agree with you about the Lyot track even though it doesn't have the stillness! Brendan | -Original Message- | From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:20 AM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? | | | Brendan - sounds like you were thinking abt this before I asked! | | ... so no one thinks the early Basic Channel tracks were a definitive | beginning of a dub/techno hybrid? | | For me, whilst something like 'Lyot's got the sea of reverb, it | just hasn't | got the 'stillness' (best word I can think of right now.) | | ... | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 9:43 AM | To: 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? | | | Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers | | Start of message text | | Alright, I'll bite | | Dub - techno? Never heard of it, but it has to be Eddy Grant's 'Timewarp' | surely...? (1981) | | | | | Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/10/2002 09:28:48 | | Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To:Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phonopsia |[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ca [EMAIL PROTECTED], |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org | cc: | | | Subject:RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? | | Good question! I always view the starting point of that strand | of music as | being Quadrant's Infinition on Planet E, but for reasons I would find | hard | to back up in an argument R-Tyme's Illusion often sounds like a | dub-techno | record to me. | | Why? Well, practically every early techno record was produced with no | noticable delay or reverb on any of the sounds - the music | sounded as if it | was pressed directly on the surface of the vinyl. However the only early | techno track I can think of which does use delay and reverb to | give a sense | of space between the listener and the sounds on the record is Illusion, | which uses the dub-techno method of focusing the listener's | attention on a | simple chord sequence and then allowing the chords to drift off into the | ether. | | I can't think of any earlier record right now that uses the same chord | drift technique so R-Tyme's Illusion would be my pick... | | Brendan | | | -Original Message- | | From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:12 AM | | To: Phonopsia; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ca; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org | | Subject: RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever? | | | | | | OK, how abt a more specific question: What was the first 'Dub-techno' | | record? (Deliberately vague.) | | | | I'm *not* assuming Mortiz von Oswald was involved either! | | | | Ken | | | | Audax: | | I completely agree on all of your points, and I wont post about it | | again. Its something I will look into doing when I have time to | | muck about. | | | | For something like this, you definately have to go to the sources. | | | | Tristan: | | | | I think we can safely say this is not the right list on which to | | undertakethis project. Perhaps you should set up your website with | | these questions, | | | | | - End of message text | | This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is | addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has | misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to | this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not | use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. | | The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and | its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London | WC2N 6RH where lists
RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever?
Odeluga, Ken wrote on Fri, 11 Oct 2002 about following: ... so no one thinks the early Basic Channel tracks were a definitive beginning of a dub/techno hybrid? just a quick note that the orb has been doing this ambient/house/techno/dub -hybrid for a long time. (even before BC). sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Veering dangerouly off topic - wasn't there a bit of controversy over the fact that the lyrics had been bought off someone - cant remember the name - oh yes I can cassanova fly (in facy there is even a bit which goes 'im the C-A-S an the O-V-A and the rest is F-L-Y' which they never even bothered to change to reflect the new performers) so even if it was the first record (which it wasnt) it certainly wasn't the first (or even an original) track. :-Original Message- :From: Trevor Wilkes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:37 AM :To: 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? : :Rapper's Delight was only the frist Rap 12 to hit the top 40 it wasn't the :first at all. : : :Trevor Wilkes :- Original Message - :From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] :To: 313 313@hyperreal.org :Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 3:52 AM :Subject: RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever? : : : : Hip Hop / Rap - Grand Master Flash : : wasn't sugarhill gangs 'rappers delight' released sometime around '77.. : : Industrial - Skinny Puppy : : front 242 beat skinny puppy by about two years; they started back in '81 : and 'puppy around '83. : : sakke : -- : random rants and links at: : http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ : : : :
RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever?
Ok. That would make sense, given that the Orb collected a couple of obscure von Oswald tracks for one of their comps in '96 I think but what Orb records are you thinking of in particular? k -Original Message- From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:15 PM To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? Odeluga, Ken wrote on Fri, 11 Oct 2002 about following: ... so no one thinks the early Basic Channel tracks were a definitive beginning of a dub/techno hybrid? just a quick note that the orb has been doing this ambient/house/techno/dub -hybrid for a long time. (even before BC). sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
or it would be a cybotron .. liek clear ... or a numer of names - sharivari both ´82 Alleys of Your Mind came out in '81... -Original Message- From: Maarten Baute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:41 PM To: henrique casanova; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? and i mean really techno, named that way and produced on detroit. it was by juan atkins? or it was a transmat? or it would be a cybotron .. liek clear ... or a numer of names - sharivari both ´82 or later the model 500 - no ufo´s... ´85 when did the start to use the term techno anyway? I think it first appeared on the techno, new dance sounds of detroit compilation on 10. Cheers, Maarten
RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever?
Odeluga, Ken wrote on Fri, 11 Oct 2002 about following: Ok. That would make sense, given that the Orb collected a couple of obscure von Oswald tracks for one of their comps in '96 I think but what Orb records are you thinking of in particular? most of the stuff they did is more ambienty/ambient-housey but check perpetual dawn (91), blue room(92)(with Jah Wobble on bass, at least on 12), towers of dub (92) - doh, just check the first two albums; nevertheless it's difficult today to go say that their music is techno or techno dub; they definitely were (and still are influenced by dub; and definitely don't sound dub in similar way as BC does. some of their tracks are more like traditional dub and others more 4/4 with heavy bass and some delays and reverbs and stuff. * the orb's adventures beyond the ultraworld 1991 * the orb - u.f. orb 1992 oh and do check the assassin 12 by the orb - just for the delay and 4/4 action. very hypnotic track. would fit very well in the end of some BC set. also in somewhat similar style as the orb's there is excellent (then categorized as soundtrack dub) album 360 degrees by Dread Zone from 1993 on creation records, not so relevant perhaps when comparing to BC but electronic music/dub mixed together from about the same era. as far as i know they have been really popular in goa/psychedelic scene; nevertheless one of my favourite albums, and their latest album Sound is ok too. i haven't heard what they've done in between these two records.. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
Re: (313) Detroit Beatdown
yes I was lucky enough to get a promo of that. Check the website for more information. www.beatdownsounds.com Scott McGill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 9:55 AM Subject: (313) Detroit Beatdown Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Morning Ladies and Gents. Bored at work this morning.. Picked up a copy of the new Detroit Beatdown Sounds Compilation yesterday. There's some good tracks on there, a couple by some guys I'd not heard of before. Anyone know 'em? Also - a new Theo track, 2 tracks from Eddie Fowlkes (one of which is really good), stuff from Mike Grant, Alton Miller etc etc. All in all, it's a good package, triple vinyl and the price is right, so give it a listen. Enjoy the weekend, Alex - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Financial Services Authority for investment business activities. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
(313) Anyone heard?
Sorry to be slightly of topic but anyone heard the new Question 9? I have to say I am very impressed by Carola's work on this one..a cheeky take from Inner city me thinks :) sorry but I just had to express my opion on that one.. Oh and UR040 just picked up..two nice tunes from that camp of excellence :) 313'ers in the Uk I will be heading down to Public Life for some drinks at the next Slices 19th Oct, so I hope to see you down there and chinwag over what's been happening.. take care all and have a nice weekend but above all get some soulful beats in :0) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02
RE: (313) Dan Bell sample - Answer.
the black power quote is on a DaimlerChrysler commemorative 12? -d On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Matthew Mangold wrote: The 12 in question is by Jim Ingram. I believe the EP is called 'Vision to Vison', and has a pic of Jurgen Schrempf and Bob Eaton, the CEOs behind the Diamler-Chrysler merger on one side. I have one copy left at Melodies and Memories-- I believe its 9.99US. Matthew -Original Message- From: marc christensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:01 PM To: Tristan Watkins; Matthew MacQueen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] org [The Music Institute] (E-mail) Cc: marc christensen Subject: Re: (313) Dan Bell sample okay, you guys are dead-on. but where did Shakir get the quote? Who is speaking? -marc At 12:29 AM +0100 10/10/02, Tristan Watkins wrote: - Original Message - From: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] org [The Music Institute] (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:49 PM Subject: RE: (313) Dan Bell sample I always figured it was the intro to the Shake track 'Detroit State of Mind', since he fades out to it and the tempo drops so much... err wait, sounds like I have the wrong Shake release then.. [[OOPS]]. Is this track from 'Waiting for Russell' on Frictional, then ? sorry! Per the fine work at http://www.twoplayer.co.uk/shake/, you are correct, sir! Waiting For Russell it is. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Well, that's where I drew the line --- where Detroit's stuff stopped sounding like Detroit House ... or some splinter of the Chicago sound. -d On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess its always going to be open to debate, though for me the early Modell 500 stuff has more in common with Kraftwerk and Electro than Derrick May's early music. When I think of the earliest techno that really strated to forge a sound all of its own I personally think of Rhythim is Rhythim. 'Nude Photo' has been cited before as being the first true techno record (I think this was mentioned in Techno Rebels). Stewart ___ Freeserve AnyTime, only ?13.99 per month with one month's FREE trial! For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever?
Ah, but tracks like blue room and perpetual dawn have only a tenuous link with techno music - they're more like ambient dub. (I used to work in London's only specialist ambient record shop, so I can be a bit of a trainspotter when it comes to the UK ambient scene of the late 80s/early 90s!) So while you're right that the Orb did incorporate dub production and composition techniques into electronic music, I'd say that the closest they got to predating the modern dub-techno sound was the original mix of A Huge Evergrowing Pulsating Brain That Rules From The Centre Of The Ultraworld; even though the dub influences are less explicit than in Towers of Dub or Blue Room, they're still there, and the track definitely leans in the techno direction also, rather than the purely ambient or breakbeat-house directions the Orb subsequently went into. Also it was basically the first track they put out, so it predates everything else The Orb did. I used to be a huge Orb fan back in the day - listening to any of the tracks from their first album fills me with nostalgia :) Brendan | -Original Message- | From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 1:53 PM | To: Odeluga, Ken | Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org | Subject: RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? | | | Odeluga, Ken wrote on Fri, 11 Oct 2002 about following: | | Ok. That would make sense, given that the Orb collected a | couple of obscure | von Oswald tracks for one of their comps in '96 I think | but what Orb | records are you thinking of in particular? | | most of the stuff they did is more ambienty/ambient-housey but check | perpetual dawn (91), blue room(92)(with Jah Wobble on bass, at | least on 12), towers of dub (92) - doh, just check the first two | albums; nevertheless it's difficult today to go say that their music is | techno or techno dub; they definitely were (and still are influenced by | dub; and definitely don't sound dub in similar way as BC does. some of | their tracks are more like traditional dub and others more 4/4 with | heavy bass and some delays and reverbs and stuff. | | * the orb's adventures beyond the ultraworld 1991 | * the orb - u.f. orb 1992 | | oh and do check the assassin 12 by the orb - just for the delay | and 4/4 action. very hypnotic track. would fit very well in the end of | some BC set. | | also in somewhat similar style as the orb's there is excellent (then | categorized as soundtrack dub) album 360 degrees by Dread Zone from | 1993 on creation records, not so relevant perhaps when comparing to BC | but electronic music/dub mixed together from about the same era. as far | as i know they have been really popular in goa/psychedelic scene; | nevertheless one of my favourite albums, and their latest album | Sound is ok too. i haven't heard what they've done in between these | two records.. | | | sakke | -- | random rants and links at: | http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ |
(313) London: Portable + Sutekh Live
Süd Electronic Exchange: A live event for new electronic music from Süd in association with Süd's first release 'Portable Gridshift'. Portable + Sutekh live With dj sets from Lakuti and Jonathon of Soul Jazz Records. 31 10 02 @ Plastic People, 147-149 Curtain Road, London EC2; nearest tube Old Street. http://sudelectronic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] k
RE: (313) Dan Bell sample - Answer.
oh ... sorry for my misunderstanding. -d On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Steve Teeri wrote: The Jim Ingram record is by Thomas Brinkman. http://www.forcedexposure.com/artists/ingram.jim.html Original message Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:51:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) Dan Bell sample - Answer. To: Matthew Mangold [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org the black power quote is on a DaimlerChrysler commemorative 12? -d On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Matthew Mangold wrote: The 12 in question is by Jim Ingram. I believe the EP is called 'Vision to Vison', and has a pic of Jurgen Schrempf and Bob Eaton, the CEOs behind the Diamler-Chrysler merger on one side. I have one copy left at Melodies and Memories-- I believe its 9.99US. Matthew -Original Message- From: marc christensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:01 PM To: Tristan Watkins; Matthew MacQueen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] org [The Music Institute] (E-mail) Cc: marc christensen Subject: Re: (313) Dan Bell sample okay, you guys are dead-on. but where did Shakir get the quote? Who is speaking? -marc At 12:29 AM +0100 10/10/02, Tristan Watkins wrote: - Original Message - From: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] org [The Music Institute] (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:49 PM Subject: RE: (313) Dan Bell sample I always figured it was the intro to the Shake track 'Detroit State of Mind', since he fades out to it and the tempo drops so much... err wait, sounds like I have the wrong Shake release then.. [[OOPS]]. Is this track from 'Waiting for Russell' on Frictional, then ? sorry! Per the fine work at http://www.twoplayer.co.uk/shake/, you are correct, sir! Waiting For Russell it is. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever?
Right ... (he says, realization dawning) and 'Quadrant' was von Oswald, Craig and Ernesto? Sorry to be the dork - but is it still available? Brendan, you're descriptions are spot. You obviously think abt your music a lot. As for me, I spend my time grasping for words to describe what I'd think (if I had the words) ;^) -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:56 AM To: Odeluga, Ken; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? I do think that the Basic Channel records were the definitive beginning of the techno-dub hybrid, but I often find myself trying to think of earlier tracks that combine that stillness (I know what you mean about the English vocabulary being insufficient to describe in detail the effects that sort of music has on the listener!) with the sort of spacial production in techno that BC subsequently perfected. With that in mind, I'd definitely say Quadrant's Infinition, which came out (AFAIK) before the Basic Channel records but which sounds like a test run for the BC sound, what with the use of delay and filters to add a bit of space to the main synth chords. But you could argue that the key concept that initially defined dub-techno was that of origin unknown sounds, sounds which you *couldn't* imagine or visualise coming from a particular machine. I doubt I'm explaining myself very well, but if you listen to Infinition you can practically see Carl and Moritz with a Kurzweil or whatever, manipulating the VCF slider, while if you jump forward in time to Radiance or Quadrant Dub you really can't picture the devices producing the sounds at all. In that sense, I'd agree with you about the Lyot track even though it doesn't have the stillness! Brendan | -Original Message- | From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:20 AM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? | | | Brendan - sounds like you were thinking abt this before I asked! | | ... so no one thinks the early Basic Channel tracks were a definitive | beginning of a dub/techno hybrid? | | For me, whilst something like 'Lyot's got the sea of reverb, it | just hasn't | got the 'stillness' (best word I can think of right now.) | | ... | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 9:43 AM | To: 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? | | | Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers | | Start of message text | | Alright, I'll bite | | Dub - techno? Never heard of it, but it has to be Eddy Grant's 'Timewarp' | surely...? (1981) | | | | | Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/10/2002 09:28:48 | | Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To:Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phonopsia |[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ca [EMAIL PROTECTED], |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org | cc: | | | Subject:RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever? | | Good question! I always view the starting point of that strand | of music as | being Quadrant's Infinition on Planet E, but for reasons I would find | hard | to back up in an argument R-Tyme's Illusion often sounds like a | dub-techno | record to me. | | Why? Well, practically every early techno record was produced with no | noticable delay or reverb on any of the sounds - the music | sounded as if it | was pressed directly on the surface of the vinyl. However the only early | techno track I can think of which does use delay and reverb to | give a sense | of space between the listener and the sounds on the record is Illusion, | which uses the dub-techno method of focusing the listener's | attention on a | simple chord sequence and then allowing the chords to drift off into the | ether. | | I can't think of any earlier record right now that uses the same chord | drift technique so R-Tyme's Illusion would be my pick... | | Brendan | | | -Original Message- | | From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:12 AM | | To: Phonopsia; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ca; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org | | Subject: RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever? | | | | | | OK, how abt a more specific question: What was the first 'Dub-techno' | | record? (Deliberately vague.) | | | | I'm *not* assuming Mortiz von Oswald was involved either! | | | | Ken | | | | Audax: | | I completely agree on all of your points, and I wont post about it | | again. Its something I will look into doing when I have time to | | muck about. | | | | For something like this, you definately have to go to the sources. | | | | Tristan: | | | | I think we can safely say this is not the right list on which to | | undertakethis project. Perhaps you should set up your website
RE: (313) what was the first dub-techno record ever?
Brendan Nelson wrote on Fri, 11 Oct 2002 about following: Ah, but tracks like blue room and perpetual dawn have only a tenuous link with techno music - they're more like ambient dub. (I used to work in for me ambient is usually music with no beats or relatively quiet beats; blue room actually has really slamming club beats so i think it's not fair to say it's ambient... and perpetual dawn is more dub than techno; but i think i said what you are saying above already in my post :) sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
(313) FW: London: VOICES: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: (313) first techno record - Jungle DJ?
You mean Jungle DJ, not the other way around... ;) I have it, but it seemed to me to be a fairly ordinary Disco record of its time. Maybe I should have another listen. Anyone have Techno Talk by Overdrive from 1980, I believe? It was popular in Chicago, in its day (at least so I've been told, I'm from New York). I think it might be the first use of Techno in a song title. They explicitly refer to Techno music Just a thought. e Scatalogics 3240 46th ST #2B Astoria, NY 11103 www.scatalogics.com From: Placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:52:16 -0700 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) first techno record Anyone got kikrokos dj jungle. Strange disco wierdness then out of the blue comes a couple of minutes of pure techno bliss... I think k alexi sampled it in risque madness... From around 1977 I think First techno record? Kristallo by Kraftwerk. I'm not sure what LP it is on, but it dates from 1971-73. Whilst not produced strictly as a techno release, it has all the proper qualities required. Staying on a teutonic tip, Can's Chain Reaction, released in 1974 on Soon over Babaluma is more tribal than anything I've ever heard. Surely Man Machine and Spacelab on Die Mensch Maschine in 1978 are pure techno as well - Original Message - From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: Re: (313) first techno record On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Jason wrote: Most certainly Sharivari is the first techno record from detroit. It preceded Alleys of your Mind by Cybotron by at least six months in release. Some techno heads would argue that kraftwerk was the first to produce techno, but from detroit it is A Number of Names with Sharivari. this appears to be based on the first definition. i guess it really depends on how deep you want to go theoretically. there's a problem of prolepsis--projecting the future onto the past. in this case, we don't have any substantial proof that the creators of shari vari either sought out to create a new genre, or knew that they DID create a new genre, much less come up with the name that we're placing on it (techno) in hindsight. it's more like we're taking shari vari or alleys of your mind and saying that it is techno because: 1. it comes from detroit 2. it sounds like later stuff that we call techno 3. some of the later stuff comes from the same artists if we want to just kick it around like this, then i really don't see why we'd just focus on detroit. there's no inherent reason for it if we're not going to some seminal text (verbal or written) that LITERALLY maps the term techno onto the music. on techno as a term originating in the seventies: this is an excellent point. i guess the question i'd have is, when did the term stick? Are there people walking around referring to techno that have the seventies stuff in their heads rather than either the detroit stuff or the european stuff that comes out in the nineties? peace lks
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Industrial - Skinny Puppy front 242 beat skinny puppy by about two years; they started back in '81 and 'puppy around '83. And Throbbing Gristle preceded them all, of course. - Greg (who hears Cabaret Voltaire, DAF, I Feel Love and Home Computer whenever he hears Sharivari)
(313) Metro Area interview
Online now at TechnoTourist.org, an interview with Morgan Geist Darshan Jesrani, AKA Metro Area. You can read the interview here - http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=index req=viewarticleartid=18 Other recent articles on TechnoTourist.org: Andy Vaz interview - http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=index req=viewarticleartid=16 Let us dance! About Les Rendez-Vous Electroniques 2002 - http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=index req=viewarticleartid=17 Cheers, Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://technotourist.org
(313) japanese telecom?
was late mr. Stinson behind Japanese Telecom guise? i was just listening to Virtual Geisha. excelent album! regards ivan --
(313) meto area LP????
who is distributing the metro area LP??? theres a record shop in londom called go ahead london... is there anywhere i can get it in the us and not pay import pricing??? ryan burns anyone who knows please hit me up asap. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: (313) Metro Area interview
man it is amazing the fact that techno is not an important style on morgan geist home listening. this really surprised my. how can he touch the souls of techno lovers so much without having this influence.. what a surprise.. - Original Message - From: Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: (313) Metro Area interview Online now at TechnoTourist.org, an interview with Morgan Geist Darshan Jesrani, AKA Metro Area. You can read the interview here - http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=index req=viewarticleartid=18 Other recent articles on TechnoTourist.org: Andy Vaz interview - http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=index req=viewarticleartid=16 Let us dance! About Les Rendez-Vous Electroniques 2002 - http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=index req=viewarticleartid=17 Cheers, Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://technotourist.org
(313) future music for me is....
It's essay time! I was just reading a review of 808 State and Underworld's new releases and the writers were saying that , as in the 808 State review, -when you've sounded like the future for so long, what happens when the rest of the world catches up? Not saying that either of these bands are future music (maybe you think so but that's not my point) but it brought to my mind to ask - what/who do you think right now is future music? I know that lots of artists are not going to be specifically Detroit based/originated but I thought it would still be on-topic since Detroit techno has always been at the forefront of future music MEK been in rotation in my CD player: Isan Clockwork Menagerie, Detroit Escalator Co. Selections..., Minotaur Shock Chiff-Chaffs Willow Warblers, Juan Atkins Wax Trax MasterMix
Re: (313) future music for me is....
IMO detroit sound is sounding very old whereas the eastern europe stuff is fresh sounding all the time. the germans certainly know where its at. no flames please -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: (313) future music for me is It's essay time! I was just reading a review of 808 State and Underworld's new releases and the writers were saying that , as in the 808 State review, -when you've sounded like the future for so long, what happens when the rest of the world catches up? Not saying that either of these bands are future music (maybe you think so but that's not my point) but it brought to my mind to ask - what/who do you think right now is future music? I know that lots of artists are not going to be specifically Detroit based/originated but I thought it would still be on-topic since Detroit techno has always been at the forefront of future music MEK been in rotation in my CD player: Isan Clockwork Menagerie, Detroit Escalator Co. Selections..., Minotaur Shock Chiff-Chaffs Willow Warblers, Juan Atkins Wax Trax MasterMix
Re: (313) future music for me is....
You know something... I have that debate with Chris Gray (Deep4Life) somewhat often, usually in jest, but sometimes I start to think he might be on to something. Usually, the forward thinkers I find are more minimal techno/microsound cats(my opinion only!) or deep house cats (like Chris). Granted, I hear this most often because I have a tendancy to buy records like this, save the Ghetto Tech and techno bangers/schranz that occupy my crate space. George - Logic7 Labwerx - Original Message - From: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) future music for me is IMO detroit sound is sounding very old whereas the eastern europe stuff is fresh sounding all the time. the germans certainly know where its at. no flames please -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: (313) future music for me is It's essay time! I was just reading a review of 808 State and Underworld's new releases and the writers were saying that , as in the 808 State review, -when you've sounded like the future for so long, what happens when the rest of the world catches up? Not saying that either of these bands are future music (maybe you think so but that's not my point) but it brought to my mind to ask - what/who do you think right now is future music? I know that lots of artists are not going to be specifically Detroit based/originated but I thought it would still be on-topic since Detroit techno has always been at the forefront of future music MEK been in rotation in my CD player: Isan Clockwork Menagerie, Detroit Escalator Co. Selections..., Minotaur Shock Chiff-Chaffs Willow Warblers, Juan Atkins Wax Trax MasterMix
Re: (313) Metro Area interview
Not that unusual though. Between producing techno, performing it, DJ'ing, and listening to other DJs while you're waiting to get paid, I think many producers get their fill and look elsewhere for leisure listening. I've heard this from more than one techno producer. Jazz is popular, as is classical music, and rock music. If you want to get Alan Oldham going about music, ask him about 4AD and Creation bands from the late 80s early 90s... On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, henrique casanova wrote: man it is amazing the fact that techno is not an important style on morgan geist home listening. this really surprised my. how can he touch the souls of techno lovers so much without having this influence.. what a surprise..
Re: (313) Metro Area interview
yes, I can testify to the appeal of jazz when makign and performing electronic music all the time I like how the timing is so free, whereas electronic music is typically robotic in its timing due to its electronic origin. thank you for tuning in. -Joe - Original Message - From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: henrique casanova [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: Re: (313) Metro Area interview Not that unusual though. Between producing techno, performing it, DJ'ing, and listening to other DJs while you're waiting to get paid, I think many producers get their fill and look elsewhere for leisure listening. I've heard this from more than one techno producer. Jazz is popular, as is classical music, and rock music. If you want to get Alan Oldham going about music, ask him about 4AD and Creation bands from the late 80s early 90s... On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, henrique casanova wrote: man it is amazing the fact that techno is not an important style on morgan geist home listening. this really surprised my. how can he touch the souls of techno lovers so much without having this influence.. what a surprise..
(313) Looking for a local Detroit techno guru w/ free time....
I'll attempt to explain without breaking the list rules... I represent a group of local Detroit artists who are starting a web community to promote the arts entertainment of the city. One area where we fall short is someone w/ an intimate knowledge of the D techno scene. Primarily, what we need is someone who can post dates of important shows etc. We are currently self-financed so compensation would be in the way of 'fringe benefits' I was very relunctant to make this 'call' for fear of alienating some cool people. (breaking list rules, spamming, etc) but hopefully someone in the know will step up so we don't end up with a person with no clue (myself or one of my cohorts would prolly do a dis-service to the techno community which I think would be a crime) If you would be interested or would like more info email me off the list please: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) future music for me is....
To me, P-Funk and Model 500 still sounds futuristic . . . futurism is an attitude, not a production technique. Off the top of my head, futurism means to me: e2-e4 Manuel Göttsching Inspiration Mad Mike Night Drive Model 500 Let's Go To Mars Daniel Wang Ultraism/Paradisiac Splinterfaction Agai TV Victor Tryouts for the Human Race Sparks Aquaticism Drexciya Ten Four Joey Beltram - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon.
Re: (313) Looking for a local Detroit techno guru w/ free time....
does fringe-benefits mean all the coke you can snort off the nipples of high priced detroit hookers? because if so, :P -Joe - Original Message - From: arsdigita [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: (313) Looking for a local Detroit techno guru w/ free time I'll attempt to explain without breaking the list rules... I represent a group of local Detroit artists who are starting a web community to promote the arts entertainment of the city. One area where we fall short is someone w/ an intimate knowledge of the D techno scene. Primarily, what we need is someone who can post dates of important shows etc. We are currently self-financed so compensation would be in the way of 'fringe benefits' I was very relunctant to make this 'call' for fear of alienating some cool people. (breaking list rules, spamming, etc) but hopefully someone in the know will step up so we don't end up with a person with no clue (myself or one of my cohorts would prolly do a dis-service to the techno community which I think would be a crime) If you would be interested or would like more info email me off the list please: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Looking for a local Detroit techno guru w/ free time....
we don't have high priced hookers in detroit. we only have $20.00/s f ones. they don't snort coke either. they smoke crack. ;-) ::\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does fringe-benefits mean all the coke you can snort off the nipples of high priced detroit hookers? because if so, :P -Joe - Original Message - From: arsdigita [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: (313) Looking for a local Detroit techno guru w/ free time I'll attempt to explain without breaking the list rules... I represent a group of local Detroit artists who are starting a web community to promote the arts entertainment of the city. One area where we fall short is someone w/ an intimate knowledge of the D techno scene. Primarily, what we need is someone who can post dates of important shows etc. We are currently self-financed so compensation would be in the way of 'fringe benefits' I was very relunctant to make this 'call' for fear of alienating some cool people. (breaking list rules, spamming, etc) but hopefully someone in the know will step up so we don't end up with a person with no clue (myself or one of my cohorts would prolly do a dis-service to the techno community which I think would be a crime) If you would be interested or would like more info email me off the list please: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
