RE: (313) E2-E4's offspring
2 x C2 remixes on remake Basic channel remake of remake Sueno Latino Derrick May's mix of Sueno Latino + many other mixes plus there's are tracks by the Detroit Escalator company and by ismistik that essentially revamp e2-e4 in their own flavor without being straight covers or remixes. I'm sure there are many more... Nice breakdown. Another I can think of is a track by Mannequin Lung on The Art of Travel 2LP (on Plug Research), forgot the name. Features the sample prominently and cool re-work of it. Neil Oliverra from DEC also calls E2-E4 something like the soundtrack to Detroit in his _Reality Slap_ novella thing. I think it's probably one of the most succesful motifs (memes) in techno history (if you exclude breaks) I agree! I tried to get it as an Illinois licence plate, actually... :) peace, Matt MacQueen
Re: (313) E2-E4 Manuel Goettsching
I guess you fell from sleep one night listening Charles ;-) He did team up with Jim and Dannie owners of Wax Trax in Chicago, also with Greg who worked there. Mike Smythe from UK (co-owner of Wax Trax) was friend of Jac Holzman the founder of Elektra. Is the reason why Wax Trax stocked Computer World right after the release in 1981. Wax Trax stocked also a lot of Spalax (defunct tempel records) founded by Gabriel Ibos. Manuel Göttsching (E2-E4) signed on Spalax. Gabriel Ibos teamed up with Daniel and Patrick from Front 242. Daniel and Patrick teamed up with Jim (Wax Trax). As a result of all these links Wax Trax, the supreme factory records in Chicago at that time, stocked extensively independents European labels, particularly in the so called industrial, electronic music genre. Hailing from Little Rock, Arkansas,from WAAM, to WJLB, to WGPR, to WCHB among others, The Electrifying Mojo, a.k.a. Charles Johnson, who played Computer World in 1981 on his Midnight Funk Association show, didn't play E2-E4 in 1984 or after? I have difficulty in believing it. To be checked... From: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) E2-E4 Manuel Goettsching Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:36:19 -0500 I'm not sure how many people were actually hip to this record in Detroit outside of Carl and maybe Derrick ... it wasn't something that everyone heard on the radio -- or did I fall asleep listening to Mojo one night? -d Most would probably not argue that it is one of the most influential songs. For the most direct relationship, check out Paperclip People's 'Remake', which is basically a 10-minute remix of this song. I almost gagged the other day when I heard a progressive mix of this on TV. It was up there with 'Strings' level bastardizations. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) E2-E4's offspring
Matthew MacQueen wrote: Another I can think of is a track by Mannequin Lung on The Art of Travel 2LP (on Plug Research), forgot the name. Features the sample prominently and cool re-work of it. Does anyone know the name of the song Matt's talking about here? Cheers! G
Re: (313) E2-E4 Manuel Goettsching
Right ... I'm just saying I don't think it influenced more than a couple of people. Then again, maybe Disco Circus was one person's jam, YMO's Firecracker another, etc. -d On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 03:25 PM, techno wrote: I'm not a techno music historian but I do remember reading an Carl Craig interview where he talks about the song being an inspiration going back to 1988, E2E4 was one of those remixes he had on acetate and he wanted to release it so he got Manuel Gottsching permission, it was put out on the Paper Clip People Throw 12.
Re: (313) E2-E4 Manuel Goettsching
On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 04:50 PM, Adam wrote: I remember a Craig interview where he cites May playing it at the music institute and being totally blown away. I think he mentioned May getting it from either Mojo or on of his trips to Chicago, and getting it from Lil Louis. http://www.deephousepage.com/mixes12.htm Lil Louis live at the bismark, 1989, mixes it into a house set, sounds terrific. Well, there you have it ... I stand corrected in my correction. Or something like that. I love the track too, but IMHO it's at its most interesting when the guitar comes in halfway through. -d
(313) sources for 70s, 80s vinyl?
Didn't really have a chance to hit Gramaphone last weekend to check, but... I've been developing a serious yearning for some pieces of disco vinyl. I've picked up a fairly decent random assortment at the thrift stores, but now I want more. Is this something that is being bootlegged/repressed? I think that, for example Anita Ward Ring My Bell is absolutely the jam, but the only viny version I have is a 'continuously trainwrecked' KTel compilation. I also really dig the kind of post-'disco sucks' disco -- Evelyn King's Get Loose is great, and Patrice Rushen's dancy tracks, particularly Haven't You Heard -- she was all about that stiff kick-on-13, snare on 24 beat you hear all through the Metro Area stuff... So suggestions on where to find this stuff appreciated!
Re: (313) E2-E4's offspring
On 12/3/02 7:39 PM, Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew MacQueen wrote: Another I can think of is a track by Mannequin Lung on The Art of Travel 2LP (on Plug Research), forgot the name. Features the sample prominently and cool re-work of it. Does anyone know the name of the song Matt's talking about here? On review of the CD, I missed any obvious use of E2-E4, although The Silver State might have some snatched chords. Anyone got a better ear, or was the track in question dropped for the CD release? Thanks, BTW Matt for reminding me what an awesome track Chai is off that 1998 release! -- im
(313) Paging Magnus Miller...
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- Original Message - From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Music Institute 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:00 AM Subject: Re: (313) E2-E4's offspring On 12/3/02 7:39 PM, Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew MacQueen wrote: Another I can think of is a track by Mannequin Lung on The Art of Travel 2LP (on Plug Research), forgot the name. Features the sample prominently and cool re-work of it. Does anyone know the name of the song Matt's talking about here? On review of the CD, I missed any obvious use of E2-E4, although The Silver State might have some snatched chords. Anyone got a better ear, or was the track in question dropped for the CD release? I thought it might be 'Silver State' as well, but to my ears it wasn't decisive. Nineveh is the jam though! Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
(313) OT: Grammy nominations
Hi folks, This is pretty off-topic. Don't be mad. I play with a new music ensemble that recently released a recording of some of Steve Reich's music, and the CD has been submitted for two Grammy nominations (best classical recording and best engineering). It's all kind of a long-shot, since we're basically a bunch of punk-ass kids from music school. But even the nomination alone would be great, and in order for it to happen we need to have Academy members support the submission. Problem is, the deadline is tomorrow. If any of you are Academy members, or know some Academy members, or have some blackmail material on some Academy members, and you'd like to help some punk-ass kids from music school win Grammys instead of some lame old guys, I'd love you forever. Thanks, -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
RE: (313) mixer advice
Used ome rane mixers at the plasa light sound show in london...great mixers - aimed at the scratch dj type market but v.pricey (I think you're looking at around 800GBP for a decent one) I currently use a vestax mixstick - which is great build quality, really nice x-fader but only 2 eq's which dont attenuate/amplify too much which is pretty crappy - u can pick these up in the uk for 250GBP nowadays. I think at around the same price range the only decent alternative would be one of the pioneer 2-channel mixers. Great Eq's but xfader doesnt have curve control/hamster and it dips in the middle which is a bit annoying. A few mates have picked up Allen + Heath mixers recetnly and Ive played out on them a few times...worth checking out - some nice features along with the same kind of nylon faders they use on studio desks. One of them has the channel gains on the back panel for some obscure reason tho - think thats just the housey one. Dunno what the price tag is tho on them - think maybe 400GBP which is maybe out your budget Personally i reckon its worth saving up a bit longer and splashing out a bit more on a mixer - I wouldnt touch anything made by gemini,numark,kam or any of the budget makes - they generally fall apart within 6months, also apart from the now reduced mixstick, all the cheapo vestax mixers tend to have xfaders which die after a few months - only the vca ones are worth looking at IMO. hope that helps ! peace, Marc -Original Message- From: joe ruster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2002 22:28 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) mixer advice need mixer advice: two Numark's went sour...would like a Vestax (pmc). anyone have knowledge of Rane products? ...or, how about some general comments about the good the bad (possibly ugly, if you include Gemini)...price range around $300-350thanksj -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) mixer advice
Yep. They updated the fader technology and it's basically the same thing now but called PCV-275. http://www.vestax.com/products/pcv275.htm have they sorted out the faders then as the bottom of the range vestax used to have appauling faders ... whats 'PCV' when its at home ? Are they nylon now or something ? The best thing about my mixstick (pmc-06proA) is that the VCA fader has been battered solidly (especially during those ghettotech sessions!) for nearly 3yrs and hasnt needed replacing/cleaning once peace, Marc -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) mixer advice
erm becuase crappy mixers dont stand up to any sort of turntablism abuse - from the online mixers of yours Ive heard you seem to stick to more of the blendin thang than the scratching thang which is maybe why your gemini has lasted well. I bought a kam when I first got decks and it lasted great till I started scratching and then the xfader popped its clogs in about 5mins :( I then went to the large 19 4 channel vestax (pmc15?) which lasted about 5mins too - in fact even the technics seems to give up pretty easily. I'd bve interested to see how the new vestax PCV's compare though as they seem pretty reasonably priced. most venues worth there salt tend to have decent installation mixers nowadays anyway - the last 3 places Ive played have had A+H and most others seem to opt for the big pioneers / vestax / or formulaSound installations. Tho I guess you dont wanna get hooked up using proprietry features that you're not gonna get when u play out (I used to have this prob with hamster switch) Marc..out -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 December 2002 10:45 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice As a Scotsman I'm not genetically inclined to go and spend over £300 on a mixer, especially when it wouldn't enhance my actual club performances one bit (unless I was willing to bring the mixer along every time I played out, which I'm not!) and the last mixer I bought, a crappy Gemini one, actually lasted for about three years. So in a nutshell, why would I want to buy a Vestax PCV275 rather than the slightly cheaper PCV175? (I'm buying a new mixer myself, hopefully this weekend...) Brendan | -Original Message- | From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 04 December 2002 10:03 | To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; 313@hyperreal.org | Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; joe ruster; Mark S. Krüx | Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice | | | | Yep. They updated the fader technology and it's basically the | same thing now but called PCV-275. | http://www.vestax.com/products/pcv275.htm | | have they sorted out the faders then as the bottom of the | range vestax used | to have appauling faders ... whats 'PCV' when its at home ? | Are they nylon | now or something ? | | The best thing about my mixstick (pmc-06proA) is that the VCA | fader has been | battered solidly (especially during those ghettotech | sessions!) for nearly | 3yrs and hasnt needed replacing/cleaning once | | peace, | Marc | | -- | | This message is intended only for the personal and | confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. | If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are | hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution | or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This | communication is for information purposes only and should not | be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an | offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation | of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman | Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be | secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that | this information is complete or accurate and it should not be | relied upon as such. All information is subject to change | without notice. | | | -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
Re: (313) mixer advice
I shelled out on a Xone 62 last July and must say that it's £800 well spent. As Marc points out, if you are serious about spinning out at clubs, it's more than likely they're going to have either one of these (or it's bigger bro the 464) or the Pioneer 600 installed. There's nothing worse than playing at a club and facing a mixer you know absolutely nothing about. Apart from being built like a proverbial bricksh*t house, the Xone 62 sounds lovely, has 3 filters for each channel and also has the benefit of having a P G crossfader. It's good enough to use for production as well. I'd heartily recommend splashing out the cash on one if you can afford it. I will add also that their customer service is 2nd to none. Being UK based does help for us Brits, but I had an unidentified problem with it and it was returned ready to use within 5 days. (I also got a £1 mixing desk mistakenly a day later but that's another story) ;) www.allen-heath.co.uk - Original Message - From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Brendan Nelson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:59 AM Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice erm becuase crappy mixers dont stand up to any sort of turntablism abuse - from the online mixers of yours Ive heard you seem to stick to more of the blendin thang than the scratching thang which is maybe why your gemini has lasted well. I bought a kam when I first got decks and it lasted great till I started scratching and then the xfader popped its clogs in about 5mins :( I then went to the large 19 4 channel vestax (pmc15?) which lasted about 5mins too - in fact even the technics seems to give up pretty easily. I'd bve interested to see how the new vestax PCV's compare though as they seem pretty reasonably priced. most venues worth there salt tend to have decent installation mixers nowadays anyway - the last 3 places Ive played have had A+H and most others seem to opt for the big pioneers / vestax / or formulaSound installations. Tho I guess you dont wanna get hooked up using proprietry features that you're not gonna get when u play out (I used to have this prob with hamster switch) Marc..out -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 December 2002 10:45 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice As a Scotsman I'm not genetically inclined to go and spend over £300 on a mixer, especially when it wouldn't enhance my actual club performances one bit (unless I was willing to bring the mixer along every time I played out, which I'm not!) and the last mixer I bought, a crappy Gemini one, actually lasted for about three years. So in a nutshell, why would I want to buy a Vestax PCV275 rather than the slightly cheaper PCV175? (I'm buying a new mixer myself, hopefully this weekend...) Brendan | -Original Message- | From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 04 December 2002 10:03 | To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; 313@hyperreal.org | Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; joe ruster; Mark S. Krüx | Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice | | | | Yep. They updated the fader technology and it's basically the | same thing now but called PCV-275. | http://www.vestax.com/products/pcv275.htm | | have they sorted out the faders then as the bottom of the | range vestax used | to have appauling faders ... whats 'PCV' when its at home ? | Are they nylon | now or something ? | | The best thing about my mixstick (pmc-06proA) is that the VCA | fader has been | battered solidly (especially during those ghettotech | sessions!) for nearly | 3yrs and hasnt needed replacing/cleaning once | | peace, | Marc | | -- | | This message is intended only for the personal and | confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. | If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are | hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution | or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This | communication is for information purposes only and should not | be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an | offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation | of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman | Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be | secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that | this information is complete or accurate and it should not be | relied upon as such. All information is subject to change | without notice. | | | -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review,
(313) Hey Dale Lawrence!
this message is for Dale only. everyone else divert your eyes away from your screens for a moment...o look! Mariah Carey and Kylie Minouge in a windstorm! :^) Dale, Went to Detroit Contemporary to catch your live P.A. last weekend. Braved both the harsh weather, and hostile environment. They told me your were ill and wouldnt be performing after all. I hope youre feeling better now. You owe me $5. :^) sean deason
RE: (313) mixer advice
| -Original Message- | From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 04 December 2002 11:06 | | There's nothing worse than playing at a club and facing a | mixer you know absolutely nothing about. I don't know, I kind of prefer the voyage of discovery that entails to the nightmare of turning up at a club and having to play on a mixer that's so much worse than the one you're used to that you might as well just strip the plastic off the phono cables and physically jam the deck outputs together :) Brendan
RE: (313) mixer advice
Agreed, I got a xone:32 for around 400 and it seems really nice and solid too - having a filter on the mixer is quite a cool and worthwile addition (specially when it has an LFO to modulate it :) :-Original Message- :From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:06 AM :To: Langsman, Marc; 'Brendan Nelson'; 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: Re: (313) mixer advice : :I shelled out on a Xone 62 last July and must say that it's £800 well :spent. :As Marc points out, if you are serious about spinning out at clubs, it's :more than likely they're going to have either one of these (or it's bigger :bro the 464) or the Pioneer 600 installed. There's nothing worse than :playing at a club and facing a mixer you know absolutely nothing about. : :Apart from being built like a proverbial bricksh*t house, the Xone 62 :sounds :lovely, has 3 filters for each channel and also has the benefit of having a :P G crossfader. It's good enough to use for production as well. I'd :heartily recommend splashing out the cash on one if you can afford it. : :I will add also that their customer service is 2nd to none. Being UK based :does help for us Brits, but I had an unidentified problem with it and it :was :returned ready to use within 5 days. (I also got a £1 mixing desk :mistakenly a day later but that's another story) ;) : :www.allen-heath.co.uk : : : : : : : :- Original Message - :From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] :To: 'Brendan Nelson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org :Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:59 AM :Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice : : : : erm becuase crappy mixers dont stand up to any sort of turntablism abuse :- : from the online mixers of yours Ive heard you seem to stick to more of :the : blendin thang than the scratching thang which is maybe why your gemini :has : lasted well. I bought a kam when I first got decks and it lasted great :till : I started scratching and then the xfader popped its clogs in about 5mins ::( : I then went to the large 19 4 channel vestax (pmc15?) which lasted about : 5mins too - in fact even the technics seems to give up pretty easily. I'd : bve interested to see how the new vestax PCV's compare though as they :seem : pretty reasonably priced. : : most venues worth there salt tend to have decent installation mixers : nowadays anyway - the last 3 places Ive played have had A+H and most :others : seem to opt for the big pioneers / vestax / or formulaSound :installations. : Tho I guess you dont wanna get hooked up using proprietry features that : you're not gonna get when u play out (I used to have this prob with :hamster : switch) : : Marc..out : : -Original Message- : From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: 04 December 2002 10:45 : To: 313@hyperreal.org : Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice : : : As a Scotsman I'm not genetically inclined to go and spend : over £300 on : a mixer, especially when it wouldn't enhance my actual club : performances : one bit (unless I was willing to bring the mixer along every time I : played out, which I'm not!) and the last mixer I bought, a : crappy Gemini : one, actually lasted for about three years. So in a nutshell, : why would : I want to buy a Vestax PCV275 rather than the slightly cheaper PCV175? : : (I'm buying a new mixer myself, hopefully this weekend...) : : Brendan : : | -Original Message- : | From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : | Sent: 04 December 2002 10:03 : | To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; 313@hyperreal.org : | Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; joe ruster; Mark S. Krüx : | Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice : | : | : | : | Yep. They updated the fader technology and it's basically the : | same thing now but called PCV-275. : | http://www.vestax.com/products/pcv275.htm : | : | have they sorted out the faders then as the bottom of the : | range vestax used : | to have appauling faders ... whats 'PCV' when its at home ? : | Are they nylon : | now or something ? : | : | The best thing about my mixstick (pmc-06proA) is that the VCA : | fader has been : | battered solidly (especially during those ghettotech : | sessions!) for nearly : | 3yrs and hasnt needed replacing/cleaning once : | : | peace, : | Marc : | : | -- : | : | This message is intended only for the personal and : | confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. : | If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are : | hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution : | or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This : | communication is for information purposes only and should not : | be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an : | offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation : | of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman : | Brothers. Email transmission cannot be
Re: (313) mixer advice
Two Scots shelling out for an Allen Heath mixer (I've got the same as Toby's)! Take that Brendan! It must be good :) It's maybe not the price range currently being talked about? There's no LFO on mine, is that a feature of more recent models? - Original Message - From: Neil Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice Agreed, I got a xone:32 for around 400 and it seems really nice and solid too - having a filter on the mixer is quite a cool and worthwile addition (specially when it has an LFO to modulate it :)
RE: (313) mixer advice
is that the one with gains on the back panel? - that was like the only real niggle I had with the A/H I used, Im sure mixers throughout the ages have gain controls on top for good reason :) I guess the only other thing I found was the xfader cut on my vestax was a lot finer than the A/H but it wasnt really a prob once Id got going with the A/H. The lfo fader business is hours of fun too :D -Original Message- From: Neil Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 December 2002 11:16 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice Agreed, I got a xone:32 for around 400 and it seems really nice and solid too - having a filter on the mixer is quite a cool and worthwile addition (specially when it has an LFO to modulate it :) :-Original Message- :From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:06 AM :To: Langsman, Marc; 'Brendan Nelson'; 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: Re: (313) mixer advice : :I shelled out on a Xone 62 last July and must say that it's £800 well :spent. :As Marc points out, if you are serious about spinning out at clubs, it's :more than likely they're going to have either one of these (or it's bigger :bro the 464) or the Pioneer 600 installed. There's nothing worse than :playing at a club and facing a mixer you know absolutely nothing about. : :Apart from being built like a proverbial bricksh*t house, the Xone 62 :sounds :lovely, has 3 filters for each channel and also has the benefit of having a :P G crossfader. It's good enough to use for production as well. I'd :heartily recommend splashing out the cash on one if you can afford it. : :I will add also that their customer service is 2nd to none. Being UK based :does help for us Brits, but I had an unidentified problem with it and it :was :returned ready to use within 5 days. (I also got a £1 mixing desk :mistakenly a day later but that's another story) ;) : :www.allen-heath.co.uk : : : : : : : :- Original Message - :From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] :To: 'Brendan Nelson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org :Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:59 AM :Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice : : : : erm becuase crappy mixers dont stand up to any sort of turntablism abuse :- : from the online mixers of yours Ive heard you seem to stick to more of :the : blendin thang than the scratching thang which is maybe why your gemini :has : lasted well. I bought a kam when I first got decks and it lasted great :till : I started scratching and then the xfader popped its clogs in about 5mins ::( : I then went to the large 19 4 channel vestax (pmc15?) which lasted about : 5mins too - in fact even the technics seems to give up pretty easily. I'd : bve interested to see how the new vestax PCV's compare though as they :seem : pretty reasonably priced. : : most venues worth there salt tend to have decent installation mixers : nowadays anyway - the last 3 places Ive played have had A+H and most :others : seem to opt for the big pioneers / vestax / or formulaSound :installations. : Tho I guess you dont wanna get hooked up using proprietry features that : you're not gonna get when u play out (I used to have this prob with :hamster : switch) : : Marc..out : : -Original Message- : From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: 04 December 2002 10:45 : To: 313@hyperreal.org : Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice : : : As a Scotsman I'm not genetically inclined to go and spend : over £300 on : a mixer, especially when it wouldn't enhance my actual club : performances : one bit (unless I was willing to bring the mixer along every time I : played out, which I'm not!) and the last mixer I bought, a : crappy Gemini : one, actually lasted for about three years. So in a nutshell, : why would : I want to buy a Vestax PCV275 rather than the slightly cheaper PCV175? : : (I'm buying a new mixer myself, hopefully this weekend...) : : Brendan : : | -Original Message- : | From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : | Sent: 04 December 2002 10:03 : | To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; 313@hyperreal.org : | Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; joe ruster; Mark S. Krüx : | Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice : | : | : | : | Yep. They updated the fader technology and it's basically the : | same thing now but called PCV-275. : | http://www.vestax.com/products/pcv275.htm : | : | have they sorted out the faders then as the bottom of the : | range vestax used : | to have appauling faders ... whats 'PCV' when its at home ? : | Are they nylon : | now or something ? : | : | The best thing about my mixstick (pmc-06proA) is that the VCA : | fader has been : | battered solidly (especially during those ghettotech : | sessions!) for nearly : | 3yrs and hasnt needed replacing/cleaning once : | : | peace, : | Marc : | :
RE: (313) mixer advice
I'm just looking at these Allen Heath mixers now - I'm not sure why they don't just go the whole hog and stick a Juno 106 onto them! And it's cheaper than the Pioneer DJM-600 as well (which is my favourite out of all the mixers I've used). While it's tempting to splash out on a serious kick-arse mixer like that, it would only really make sense to me if I had a huge basement in which I threw regular all-night parties - as it is, it would seem a bit of a waste to have a rude mixer sitting there in my bedroom! I could wait until January (when my next paycheque, which will be pretty big, is due) and get a kick-arse mixer then, or just get a mid-level PCV175 now... oh sod it, I'll spend this month's wages on records and then I'll get an AH in January! Brendan (sorry for thinking out on the list!) | -Original Message- | From: Jonny McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 04 December 2002 11:31 | To: Neil Wallace; 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: Re: (313) mixer advice | | | Two Scots shelling out for an Allen Heath mixer (I've got | the same as | Toby's)! Take that Brendan! It must be good :) It's maybe not | the price | range currently being talked about? | | There's no LFO on mine, is that a feature of more recent models? | | - Original Message - | From: Neil Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: 313@hyperreal.org | Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:15 AM | Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice | | Agreed, I got a xone:32 for around 400 and it seems really nice and | solid too - having a filter on the mixer is quite a cool and worthwile | addition (specially when it has an LFO to modulate it :) | | | |
RE: (313) mixer advice
-Original Message- From: Neil Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:47 AM To: 'Langsman, Marc' Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice Yeah the gains are on the back - I dont find it a particular problem at the moment as ive only got one deck and so have to mix via multitrack so I can sort out levels there. There not too difficlt to access on the back panel as theyre at the top but they are difficult to see. I think the 32 has one filter with LFO the 62 has two filter with no LFO. Also the 62 seems to have a Xfader curve switch rather than the pot which the 32 has. :-Original Message- :From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:34 AM :To: 'Neil Wallace'; 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice : : :is that the one with gains on the back panel? - that was like the only real :niggle I had with the A/H I used, Im sure mixers throughout the ages have :gain controls on top for good reason :) :I guess the only other thing I found was the xfader cut on my vestax was a :lot finer than the A/H but it wasnt really a prob once Id got going with :the :A/H. : :The lfo fader business is hours of fun too :D : : -Original Message- : From: Neil Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: 04 December 2002 11:16 : To: 313@hyperreal.org : Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice : : : : Agreed, I got a xone:32 for around 400 and it seems really nice and : solid too - having a filter on the mixer is quite a cool and worthwile : addition (specially when it has an LFO to modulate it :) : : :-Original Message- : :From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : :Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:06 AM : :To: Langsman, Marc; 'Brendan Nelson'; 313@hyperreal.org : :Subject: Re: (313) mixer advice : : : :I shelled out on a Xone 62 last July and must say that it's £800 well : :spent. : :As Marc points out, if you are serious about spinning out at clubs, : it's : :more than likely they're going to have either one of these (or it's : bigger : :bro the 464) or the Pioneer 600 installed. There's nothing worse than : :playing at a club and facing a mixer you know absolutely : nothing about. : : : :Apart from being built like a proverbial bricksh*t house, the Xone 62 : :sounds : :lovely, has 3 filters for each channel and also has the benefit of : having a : :P G crossfader. It's good enough to use for production as well. I'd : :heartily recommend splashing out the cash on one if you can : afford it. : : : :I will add also that their customer service is 2nd to none. Being UK : based : :does help for us Brits, but I had an unidentified problem with it and : it : :was : :returned ready to use within 5 days. (I also got a £1 mixing desk : :mistakenly a day later but that's another story) ;) : : : :www.allen-heath.co.uk : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :- Original Message - : :From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :To: 'Brendan Nelson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org : :Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:59 AM : :Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice : : : : : : : : erm becuase crappy mixers dont stand up to any sort of turntablism : abuse : :- : : from the online mixers of yours Ive heard you seem to : stick to more : of : :the : : blendin thang than the scratching thang which is maybe why your : gemini : :has : : lasted well. I bought a kam when I first got decks and it lasted : great : :till : : I started scratching and then the xfader popped its clogs in about : 5mins : ::( : : I then went to the large 19 4 channel vestax (pmc15?) which lasted : about : : 5mins too - in fact even the technics seems to give up : pretty easily. : I'd : : bve interested to see how the new vestax PCV's compare : though as they : :seem : : pretty reasonably priced. : : : : most venues worth there salt tend to have decent : installation mixers : : nowadays anyway - the last 3 places Ive played have had : A+H and most : :others : : seem to opt for the big pioneers / vestax / or formulaSound : :installations. : : Tho I guess you dont wanna get hooked up using proprietry features : that : : you're not gonna get when u play out (I used to have this prob with : :hamster : : switch) : : : : Marc..out : : : : -Original Message- : : From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Sent: 04 December 2002 10:45 : : To: 313@hyperreal.org : : Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice : : : : : : As a Scotsman I'm not genetically inclined to go and spend : : over £300 on : : a mixer, especially when it wouldn't enhance my actual club : : performances : : one bit (unless I was willing to bring the mixer along : every time I : : played out, which I'm not!) and the last mixer I bought, a : : crappy Gemini : : one, actually lasted for about three years. So in a nutshell, : : why would : : I want to buy a Vestax PCV275 rather than the slightly cheaper : PCV175? : : : : (I'm buying a new mixer myself, hopefully this weekend...) : : : :
(313) osunlade, jojoflores
Hi. These guys/girls are playing this Friday. Does anyone have any info about them? I'm not sure I've ever heard of them. Thanks! TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
(313) seeking contact info for:
Joey Beltram Rob Hood Alan Oldham Monolake/Chain Reaction Stacey Pullen Dan Bell Can anyone be of assistance? Thanks! TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: (313) mixer advice
- Original Message - From: Jonny McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Neil Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: Re: (313) mixer advice Two Scots shelling out for an Allen Heath mixer (I've got the same as Toby's)! Take that Brendan! It must be good :) It's maybe not the price range currently being talked about? There's no LFO on mine, is that a feature of more recent models? The Xone:32 (3 Channels) is the only one with an LFO/Filter and the LFO definitely is cool. It's had the LFO/Filter for at least a year and a half - not sure about earlier models. The Xone:62 only has the filter. Just noticed they have new rotary and 2-channel varities. Not that I'd want them, but I still think it's cool they've expanded their offerings. I love both the Xone's and the Pioneer 5/600's. They are the best mixers I've used. And then there are the rumors about the 700 that have been kicking around for a few months. Nothing on Pioneer's site yet that I can find. The Tascam X-9 is finally out as of about maybe 6 months ago after pending release for nearly 18 months I think? It offers the most features at a comparable price to the 600/Xone:62. The idea of dual effects and dual samplers assignable to any combination of inputs is pretty amazing to me. I'd just really like to use it for a while and see if any of that raw power could be tamed for something useful. http://www.tascam.com/products/product_information.php?product_id=3 My choice in a few months will be the Red Sound Infader. It makes mixing extremely fun, which is the most important criteria for me! Perhaps expensive for the bedroom, but easy enough to transport if so inclined. The modular units for it look a lot of fun (I've not used them), but the 3 BAND CROSSFADER is the sh*t! I only played for about 15 minutes before my friend had to tear me off of it. He's been extremely happy with his for about a year. Not sure how you all feel about digital mixers though. I don't mind. http://www.redsound.com/djindex.htm Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
RE: (313) mixer advice
The Tascam X-9 is finally out as of about maybe 6 months ago after pending release for nearly 18 months I think? It offers the most features at a comparable price to the 600/Xone:62. The idea of dual effects and dual samplers assignable to any combination of inputs is pretty amazing to me. I'd just really like to use it for a while and see if any of that raw power could be tamed for something useful. http://www.tascam.com/products/product_information.php?product_id=3 yeah the tascam looks like the sh!t - more features than u can shake what ya mama gave ya at ! The parametric eqs sound interesting - the pots are doubled-up too I think. My choice in a few months will be the Red Sound Infader. It makes mixing I remember seeing those advertised - are they actually any good ? Id quite like a fiddle on one, xfading bass and stuff must be quite wacky. On the gimmic mixer topic, I used one of those mixers with a kaospad built in a while back - pretty cool alhough I think its too easy to spend x hrs tinkering with effects :| -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
Re: (313) mixer advice
- Original Message - From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tristan Watkins' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jonny McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Neil Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice My choice in a few months will be the Red Sound Infader. It makes mixing I remember seeing those advertised - are they actually any good ? Id quite like a fiddle on one, xfading bass and stuff must be quite wacky. On the gimmic mixer topic, I used one of those mixers with a kaospad built in a while back - pretty cool alhough I think its too easy to spend x hrs tinkering with effects :| The Red Sound is far superior to the Numark's with KAOS. Those are the same new-Numark crap quality(their old ones were reliable). I'd say their's a fine line between gimics and important technological leaps forward, and the Redsound embodies the latter IMHO. The Red sound feels fit, and you really need to give the 3-BAND CROSSFADERS a ride to know just how cool it is. Cutting back and forth between basslines is super cool, or mids, or highs, depending on the tracks. I can't say for sure how much abuse the crossfaders will take, and with three of them that could be an issue, but I think it's worth it to push DJing in new and interesting directions. This is an innovation on-par with the advent of the crossfader or the independent channel EQ, in my estimation. I have yet to hear all of the options really explored yet, but I think it opens a ton of doors. This is not to say that DJ's need something like this, but I think some of us find a little less energy for it as time passes, and a mixer like this can be a DJ's viagra as we age. The one drawback I can think of is the Brelson criteria: that you don't want get acclimated to something so good at home that your mixing suffers when you play out - but I don't care. I just want to have fun. :) Here's the link again for those who missed it the first time: http://www.redsound.com/djindex.htm Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
RE: (313) E2-E4 Manuel Goettsching
I love the track too, but IMHO it's at its most interesting when the guitar comes in halfway through. Really? It's just the opposite for me - I hardly ever listen to side two; it all just gets a bit too prog-rock and noodly for my liking, but side one is genius... Sean.
(313) submerge delays
I know this topic has come up before, but is anyone else experiencing delays with Submerge getting back to them with postage costs for the new releases this week? I've noticed that they've turned up in some UK retailers and I'm wondering if I should just order them there instead, cos I haven't had a reply from Submerge yet... Thanks, Sean.
RE: (313) Another bootleg - Good Girls
Yes, please more details on this bootleg??? Have been looking for it for 6 years and don't have the US$125 to spend on it... Cheers, Hupert
RE: (313) Clown Lyrics OT
Actually it's DJ Sammy who she is meant to be working with - serious. You know, the guy behind the trance covers of Heaven and Boys Of Summer, aarrrhh. Inbox Message From: Craig Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) Clown Lyrics OT Date: 03/12/2002 19:36:58 To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Give them a couple of weeks and the record companies will have them in the studio together, then they'll be doing a tour of the chat shows with each other... oh, the pain. :) They'll probably even get Tiesto to remix it when they're done. bah. Dscaper
Re: (313) mixer advice
I love both the Xone's and the Pioneer 5/600's. They are the best mixers I've used. And then there are the rumors about the 700 that have been kicking around for a few months. Nothing on Pioneer's site yet that I can find. I am happy with my DJM-600 from pioneer. But they could have made the faders a bit more robuust, I cut and fade A LOT and sometimes the plastic comes off ;) But I have another question about mixing: The only mixer I EVER used is the djm-600 (I never played out of my room), so I don´t know how this is with other mixers but listen: On my mixer you have a studio monitor function, wich lets you hear the main audio channel in your headphones (the main audio channel is everything people on the dancefloor hear.. ), I wanted to know if this is an option that is also available on most mixers? Because when I beat match , I always listen in my headphones to the main-channel combined with the channel I want to mix. I can switch between those volumes, wich makes it easy to hear if the records are still synchronized in all stages of the mix. (because the track I want to mix is first with little bass and hihat, and later in the mix with a lot of bass and treble - so when I don´t hear the track I am mixing in very well, I can turn the knob a bit more to the other side, so I hear that channel better). I know this sounds VERY COMPLICATED.. So if you don´t understand what I mean, just tell me if your mixer has the studio monitor option for your headphones, and tell my what do you listen to in your headphones when you are mixing? I just want to be prepared for the time I will have to mix elsewhere... not on the mixer I am used to. Thank you, Maarten
Re: (313) E2-E4 Manuel Goettsching
I love the electronics-only side too, I just think he could have used a little editing. It just seems to come alive when the guitar parts bounce off the beat. Or maybe I'm getting soured on repetition in my old age. -d On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 09:00 AM, Sean Creen wrote: I love the track too, but IMHO it's at its most interesting when the guitar comes in halfway through. Really? It's just the opposite for me - I hardly ever listen to side two; it all just gets a bit too prog-rock and noodly for my liking, but side one is genius... Sean.
(313) I hear that 313 should worship LCD Soundsystem
Yes, 313 is Losing it's Edge. LCD Soundsystem's Losing My Edge reminds me so much of a 313 thread. It's the saddest night out in the USA... Tosh -- Twelve Hundred Group http://www.1200group.com/
RE: (313) mixer advice
I agree about the Vestex being a excellent quality mixer HOWEVER its more geared toward performance and is not that well suited for the home. For one thing, no booth or record outputs and no pre-mix feature either. If you can live without those, thts the way to go. Otherwise, Pioneer DJM-300,500,600 or the 9000 (the pimpest of the pimp IMHO). The new Rane (forget the model, the new blue one) looks tight and alot more DJ friendly. Rane has excellent quality and sound but some of their mixers are laid out in a not so conventional manner and not very DJ friendly (not to mention they are expensive). happy hunting. Raph -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; joe ruster; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice yep thats the vestax I used in Tresor and what a pleasure it was :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2002 22:40 To: joe ruster; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) mixer advice slightly more than the price range you gave, but imo the vestax pmc275 is by far the best mixer for the money out there - Original Message - From: joe ruster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: (313) mixer advice need mixer advice: two Numark's went sour...would like a Vestax (pmc). anyone have knowledge of Rane products? ...or, how about some general comments about the good the bad (possibly ugly, if you include Gemini)...price range around $300-350thanksj --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/02
Re: (313) osunlade, jojoflores
Dude, Osunlade (pronounced Ocean-la-day) produces wicked soulful, jazzy, deep, house. Don't freakin' miss this show, if your into those kind of sounds! Jojo is a DJ who hails from Montreal. He also runs an excellent record shop called Rotation, and has recently started his own label (Gotsoul Recordings). For more info on him check out http://www.jojoflores.com Cheers! G T.J.Johnson wrote: Hi. These guys/girls are playing this Friday. Does anyone have any info about them? I'm not sure I've ever heard of them. Thanks! TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: (313) mixer advice
This is my current lust-object... http://www.allen-heath.co.uk/DisplayProduct.asp?pview=38 Cheers, Tom
Re: (313) mixer advice
Maarten, You're talking about the equivalent of a 'cueing crossfader' on the Pioneer 600. It's just a knob on the Pioneer's and on some other models. Otherwise you will have a crossfader that blends from cue to master. Most mixers will have this option - not all. If you're mixing in a club, I'd say there's a 95% chance you'll have a cueing crossfader or what you have on the pioneer. However, part of playing out is adapting your mixing to equipment you don't use at home, so it's always good to be able to mix different ways. You may want to learn to mix without cueing in your headphones, in case you find yourself in a situation where you don't have that option. For this same reason, I almost never use a crossfader. For any of you that are just starting to cut your teeth playing out, or want mixer/mixing advice, I'd recommend paying http://www.amtrakdjs.org/ a visit. It's a non-regional site/list with DJs from all styles - so arrive with an open mind and prepare for an abstracted discussion away from genre specifics. There's a lot of good advice to be gleened for 'first gig'-type situations, and the 'what mixer should I get?' thread is a constant, so they always have good advice on DJ gear. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
Re: (313) mixer advice
Maarten, You're talking about the equivalent of a 'cueing crossfader' on the Pioneer 600. It's just a knob on the Pioneer's and on some other models. Otherwise you will have a crossfader that blends from cue to master. Most mixers will have this option - not all. If you're mixing in a club, I'd say there's a 95% chance you'll have a cueing crossfader or what you have on the pioneer. However, part of playing out is adapting your mixing to equipment you don't use at home, so it's always good to be able to mix different ways. You may want to learn to mix without cueing in your headphones, in case you find yourself in a situation where you don't have that option. For this same reason, I almost never use a crossfader. For any of you that are just starting to cut your teeth playing out, or want mixer/mixing advice, I'd recommend paying http://www.amtrakdjs.org/ a visit. It's a non-regional site/list with DJs from all styles - so arrive with an open mind and prepare for an abstracted discussion away from genre specifics. There's a lot of good advice to be gleened for 'first gig'-type situations, and the 'what mixer should I get?' thread is a constant, so they always have good advice on DJ gear. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
(313) More mixer advice
I need a mixer recommendation. I currently have a two channel scratch mixer which I love but I have added a few things to my DJ set-up. I have my two turntables, a CD player and a drum machine which I would like to hook up to the mixer. My coffin is sized for a scratch mixer, so ideally I would like a 4 channel mixer but I don't know if they make those in scratch size so a 3 channel would probably have to do. Needs to have good EQ on each channel, I prefer knobs to faders for everything except for the cross fader but those are not requirements. Everything else is open. Any recommendations? Thanks, Eric
Re: (313) submerge delays
I'd give them more time. They're kind of backed up, because of thanksgiving last week. They were closed for half of the week, and are trying to catch up. If you can, just hang on! :) G Sean Creen wrote: I know this topic has come up before, but is anyone else experiencing delays with Submerge getting back to them with postage costs for the new releases this week? I've noticed that they've turned up in some UK retailers and I'm wondering if I should just order them there instead, cos I haven't had a reply from Submerge yet... Thanks, Sean.
Re: (313) osunlade, jojoflores
Osunlade is great - is he doing a live PA? Expect Afro-latin house - very Body Soul like. Osunlade was featured in a issue of Straight No Chaser a while back. You should expect only the deepest soulful house music. Here's a profile of him from allmusic.com http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll Respected and emulated New York-based producer, DJ, and label chief Osunlade grew up in a musical environment; as a youngster, he took piano lessons and sang in his church's choir. At the age of 17, he joined the cast of the popular children's show Sesame Street as a presenter. He later produced music for the program. During the late '80s, he started working as a producer and session hand; since starting out, he has leant his talents to records by Musiq, Patti LaBelle, Najee, India Arie and Eric Benet. In 1999, Osunlade established the Yoruba label and began releasing deep house productions of his own while cultivating new artists. For his first album, 2001's Paradigm, the producer hooked up with the U.K.'s Soul Jazz label, which released the excellent LP and increased his profile significantly as a result. Easily one of the most gifted producers of soul/funk-influenced deep house, Osunlade ? an ordained priest in the African religion of Ifa ? graces everything he touches with spiritual, uplifting vibes. Offering, a mix album released by R2, came out in 2002. Hope you go - let me know how it was if you do. MEK T.J.Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org oplepc.com cc: Subject: (313) osunlade, jojoflores 12/04/02 06:54 AM Hi. These guys/girls are playing this Friday. Does anyone have any info about them? I'm not sure I've ever heard of them. Thanks! TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
RE: (313) E2-E4's offspring
On review of the CD, I missed any obvious use of E2-E4, although The Silver State might have some snatched chords. Well that's the one I was thinking of... I guess I can't say for sure but it sounded like a satched snippet with heavy effects. Thanks, BTW Matt for reminding me what an awesome track Chai is off that 1998 release! Isn't that a good album.. City Lights is the one I always play. I wish the LP was mastered louder though, it's such a great cut. Was there a 12 release of any of these? (wider grooves...) peace, Matt
RE: (313) E2-E4's offspring
I just remembered a track I used to like around ten years ago - god knows who it was by, but it got played a lot on pirate radio around London in 1991/92. It featured the chords from E2-E4 (although with a subtle gate effect on them), the vocal and bassline from Final Cut's Take Me Away, and a particular classic breakbeat whose name I forget! I didn't know of either E2-E4 or Take Me Away at that point, so when I did eventually discover those two records I had a smile on my face. But to this day I'd love to find that old hardcore track with the samples; and I always find myself imagining the chords from E2-E4 whenever I hear the acapella of Take Me Away... | -Original Message- | From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 04 December 2002 16:24 | To: The Music Institute | Cc: Ian | Subject: RE: (313) E2-E4's offspring | | | On review of the CD, I missed any obvious use of E2-E4, | although The Silver State might have some snatched chords. | | Well that's the one I was thinking of... I guess I can't say | for sure but it sounded like a satched snippet with heavy effects. | | Thanks, BTW Matt for reminding me what an awesome track Chai | is off that 1998 release! | | Isn't that a good album.. City Lights is the one I always play. | I wish the LP was mastered louder though, it's such a great cut. Was | there a 12 release of any of these? (wider grooves...) | | peace, | Matt |
RE: (313) More mixer advice
theres this A+H We've been chatting about : http://www.allenandheath.co.uk/xone32.asp ..but its tabletop and would probably be useless in a coffin... depends how much you want to spend I guess, Ive been eyeing up one of these vestax 3 channels scratch mixers today.. http://www.vestax.com/products/pmc37pro.htm not sure how much it is though, knowing vestax top of the range stuff its probably approximately $3648264.99 ;( again also have a look at rane for 3 channel scratch mixers but expect to pay top dolla -Original Message- From: Eric Scuccimarra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 December 2002 15:51 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) More mixer advice I need a mixer recommendation. I currently have a two channel scratch mixer which I love but I have added a few things to my DJ set-up. I have my two turntables, a CD player and a drum machine which I would like to hook up to the mixer. My coffin is sized for a scratch mixer, so ideally I would like a 4 channel mixer but I don't know if they make those in scratch size so a 3 channel would probably have to do. Needs to have good EQ on each channel, I prefer knobs to faders for everything except for the cross fader but those are not requirements. Everything else is open. Any recommendations? Thanks, Eric -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) More mixer advice
| -Original Message- | From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 04 December 2002 16:38 | | http://www.vestax.com/products/pmc37pro.htm | | not sure how much it is though, knowing vestax top of the | range stuff its probably approximately $3648264.99 ;( It'll set you back £799 at www.sapphires.co.uk! I'd probably spend that money on some sort of kick-arse monosynth sooner than on a mixer, but I've decided to ramp my mixer budget up to £350 (which will get me a Vestax PCV 275 from the abovementioned website). Maybe if I owned a nightclub I'd see the sense in spending 800 quid on a mixer :) Brendan
(313) bootlegs
Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Sorry to drag this one up again, but my friend is after the tracklistings of the 'Music Box' bootlegs (vol 12). Can anyone point me to where they are, or does anyone have them? Many Thanks, Alex P.S. New Rhythm Sound 10 is the bomb (if you're into them). It's called Lovejoy. Ian McShane is on the effects box. - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Financial Services Authority for investment business activities. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
RE: (313) More mixer advice
ouch thats nasty...Im thinking of upgrading at somepoint - I love the mixtick and Id be upgrading purely for dceent eq functionality , dont think Id shell out 800 bucks tho. I was in rubadub the other week and they had one of the older vestax scratch picklz style mixers which they reckoned they could do for 500cash (normally 600ish I think) am very tempted but because of the new samurai mixers my mixstick is only worth like 220 new now :( (was about 500-550 when they came out) -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 December 2002 16:49 To: Langsman, Marc; Eric Scuccimarra; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) More mixer advice | -Original Message- | From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 04 December 2002 16:38 | | http://www.vestax.com/products/pmc37pro.htm | | not sure how much it is though, knowing vestax top of the | range stuff its probably approximately $3648264.99 ;( It'll set you back £799 at www.sapphires.co.uk! I'd probably spend that money on some sort of kick-arse monosynth sooner than on a mixer, but I've decided to ramp my mixer budget up to £350 (which will get me a Vestax PCV 275 from the abovementioned website). Maybe if I owned a nightclub I'd see the sense in spending 800 quid on a mixer :) Brendan -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
(313) Need of approval
IM conversation between some friends of mine.I find the girl's perspective funny, and remarkably perceptive to the scene. He's a 4th year BFA candidate in painting who dabbles in music production, she's a 30 something professional who is known to dip her toe into the world of electronic music. Anyway, I thought some of you might relate to this. Leslie Girl says: Does a group of fans chanting your name one at a time work for you? Girl says: Or does it have to be all together? Girl says: Cause sleeping around a lot won't get you the latter, I don't think. Boy says: all together, with fist pumping actioni! Girl says: Also, I don't think the art world is going to get you that. Girl says: Maybe music. Boy says: i've gotta reach international playboy /dj stus. Boy says: status... Girl says: But if you do electronic music, most of your fans will be balding guys in retro t-shirts.
RE: (313) mixer advice
I would look into the Tascam X9. I have this one. 2 Samplers, 2 Effects processors, 4 channels and the ability to have 2 footswitches for the samplers or effects. It is way better then the Pioneer 600. www.tascamdj.com rh [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Brendan Nelson wrote: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:33:17 - From: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice I'm just looking at these Allen Heath mixers now - I'm not sure why they don't just go the whole hog and stick a Juno 106 onto them! And it's cheaper than the Pioneer DJM-600 as well (which is my favourite out of all the mixers I've used). While it's tempting to splash out on a serious kick-arse mixer like that, it would only really make sense to me if I had a huge basement in which I threw regular all-night parties - as it is, it would seem a bit of a waste to have a rude mixer sitting there in my bedroom! I could wait until January (when my next paycheque, which will be pretty big, is due) and get a kick-arse mixer then, or just get a mid-level PCV175 now... oh sod it, I'll spend this month's wages on records and then I'll get an AH in January! Brendan (sorry for thinking out on the list!) | -Original Message- | From: Jonny McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 04 December 2002 11:31 | To: Neil Wallace; 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: Re: (313) mixer advice | | | Two Scots shelling out for an Allen Heath mixer (I've got | the same as | Toby's)! Take that Brendan! It must be good :) It's maybe not | the price | range currently being talked about? | | There's no LFO on mine, is that a feature of more recent models? | | - Original Message - | From: Neil Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: 313@hyperreal.org | Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:15 AM | Subject: RE: (313) mixer advice | | Agreed, I got a xone:32 for around 400 and it seems really nice and | solid too - having a filter on the mixer is quite a cool and worthwile | addition (specially when it has an LFO to modulate it :) | | | |
Re: (313) Need of approval
and thats why we love it. - Original Message - From: dj337is [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AHOT [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: (313) Need of approval IM conversation between some friends of mine.I find the girl's perspective funny, and remarkably perceptive to the scene. He's a 4th year BFA candidate in painting who dabbles in music production, she's a 30 something professional who is known to dip her toe into the world of electronic music. Anyway, I thought some of you might relate to this. Leslie Girl says: Does a group of fans chanting your name one at a time work for you? Girl says: Or does it have to be all together? Girl says: Cause sleeping around a lot won't get you the latter, I don't think. Boy says: all together, with fist pumping actioni! Girl says: Also, I don't think the art world is going to get you that. Girl says: Maybe music. Boy says: i've gotta reach international playboy /dj stus. Boy says: status... Girl says: But if you do electronic music, most of your fans will be balding guys in retro t-shirts.
(313) electronic boutique radio show 1pm today
sorry if this goes through twice but I have not recieved it yet on 313. -- Forwarded Message: - From:Scott Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], minimalistik list [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [minimalistik] electronic boutique radio show 1pm today Date:Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:10:17 -0500 www.channelzonline.org todays show is all techno. three mixes by: (in order) scotto (me) george rahme atomly lets see if you all can pick out my weekly industral track? if you are interested in doing a set for the show hit me back. I always need good mixes. scotto lansing, mi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] == to post http://www.minimalistik.com/ == website http://www.mp313.com/ == go here for good mp3's http://www.paxahau.com/== many streaming sets from famous djs http://www.deephousepage.com/ == loads of streams new and classics To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: (313) Need of approval
Well let me ask this question... Have either of these 2 people actually ever been to a party where there's electronic music? Steve
RE: (313) Need of approval
Oh yes, plenty of them...if I were going to describe them, I'd say seasoned veterans as far as parties of that sort is concerned. Leslie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:24 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Need of approval Well let me ask this question... Have either of these 2 people actually ever been to a party where there's electronic music? Steve
(313) d'angelo id
there's a song by d'angelo that i've heard a lot of house dj's usetheo parrish used it in his first demf set a few years back. does anyone know the name? lks
Re: (313) d'angelo id
pretty sure it was 'Spanish Joint' or something like that. Its on Voodoo. On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: there's a song by d'angelo that i've heard a lot of house dj's usetheo parrish used it in his first demf set a few years back. does anyone know the name? lks
Re: (313) d'angelo id
Spanish Joint There's an excellent reedit/remix by 95 North that's, IMO, superior. - Original Message - From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:10 PM Subject: (313) d'angelo id there's a song by d'angelo that i've heard a lot of house dj's usetheo parrish used it in his first demf set a few years back. does anyone know the name? lks
RE: (313) d'angelo id
I heard that 95 North did a remix of Brandy's recent glitch-RB track What About Us - is that any good? A house DJ was ranting on to me about it last night, and I do have a soft spot for the original, but... | -Original Message- | From: Jonny McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 04 December 2002 18:20 | To: Lester Kenyatta Spence; 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: Re: (313) d'angelo id | | | Spanish Joint | | There's an excellent reedit/remix by 95 North that's, IMO, superior. | | - Original Message - | From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: 313@hyperreal.org | Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:10 PM | Subject: (313) d'angelo id | | | there's a song by d'angelo that i've heard a lot of house | dj's usetheo | parrish used it in his first demf set a few years back. | does anyone know | the name? | | lks | | | | | |
Re: (313) d'angelo id
- Original Message - From: Jonny McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: Re: (313) d'angelo id Spanish Joint There's an excellent reedit/remix by 95 North that's, IMO, superior. Do you have release info on this, or is there matrix info if it's a white label (I thought it was)? Been meaning to track this down for ages. I thought there wasn't a lot of difference between original and re-edit but I've never heard them side-by-side. Is it just pressing, sound quality, etc, or have they made it fixed-tempo as well? In short, why d'ya like it better? :) Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
Re: (313) Mike Clark on Groovetech Radio London NOW
He has a couple of mixes on www.frequencydetroit.com scott He missed his flight I gather, much to the annoyance of some on this list! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: Re: (313) Mike Clark on Groovetech Radio London NOW Talking of Mike Clark .. did anyone hear him DJ in London last Friday? I've never heard him DJ so I'm interested to know what he's like. G
Re: (313) d'angelo id
Spanish Joint There's an excellent reedit/remix by 95 North that's, IMO, superior. Do you have release info on this, or is there matrix info if it's a white label (I thought it was)? Been meaning to track this down for ages. I thought there wasn't a lot of difference between original and re-edit but I've never heard them side-by-side. Is it just pressing, sound quality, etc, or have they made it fixed-tempo as well? In short, why d'ya like it better? I'm not at home, as you can guess but I have it backed with an edit of Stevie Wonder. I can't remember which track, maybe Another Star but I'm not sure. Matrix is WON001. No artist info is given. Side by side, there's little difference: slightly better EQing for the dancefloor, less flabby. I can't really put my finger on it exactly. The LP version just sounds a bit weaker in comparison.
Re: (313) I hear that 313 should worship LCD Soundsystem
don't do it that way. you'll never make a dime! derek. On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Tosh Cooey wrote: Yes, 313 is Losing it's Edge. LCD Soundsystem's Losing My Edge reminds me so much of a 313 thread. It's the saddest night out in the USA... Tosh -- Twelve Hundred Group http://www.1200group.com/
RE: (313) I hear that 313 should worship LCD Soundsystem
i thought we covered this thread already? i should know... i was there.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:04 PM To: Tosh Cooey Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) I hear that 313 should worship LCD Soundsystem don't do it that way. you'll never make a dime! derek. On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Tosh Cooey wrote: Yes, 313 is Losing it's Edge. LCD Soundsystem's Losing My Edge reminds me so much of a 313 thread. It's the saddest night out in the USA... Tosh -- Twelve Hundred Group http://www.1200group.com/
RE: (313) I hear that 313 should worship LCD Soundsystem
well, it was either that or elliott smith lyrics. what can i say?? im a puzzle. derek. On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Rob Theakston wrote: i thought we covered this thread already? i should know... i was there.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:04 PM To: Tosh Cooey Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) I hear that 313 should worship LCD Soundsystem don't do it that way. you'll never make a dime! derek. On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Tosh Cooey wrote: Yes, 313 is Losing it's Edge. LCD Soundsystem's Losing My Edge reminds me so much of a 313 thread. It's the saddest night out in the USA... Tosh -- Twelve Hundred Group http://www.1200group.com/
(313) mixer advice
thanks for all the MIXER advice...appreciated! (PCV275 wins) just say NO to Numark ___j
Re: (313) mixer advice
Yes, thanks. I think I found a decent looking Numark 3 channel scratch mixer. I do have one other question that I recently asked on the 313techknow list: Until recently my turntables were connected to my PC via a set of long RCA cables so I could record directly to hard drive. I just moved and now the computer room is upstairs and the tables are downstairs so I can't run RCA cables all over the house to make the connection. So I need a way to be able to record from the turntables and get it onto my computer. Some suggestions included: - A stereo CD burner - A portable WAV recorder - Some sort of device which allegedly transmits sound using radio waves. Any comments, suggestions, advice? Particularly on what models of things to get... Thanks, Eric
Re: (313) mixer advice
I don't know about the analog-digital conversion but a DAT is probably way out of my price range. I use Macs for all of my sound-related stuff as well. I was thinking more along the lines of a CD burner which hooks up to RCA cables or a portable WAV recorder or something like that. Thanks. At 04:11 PM 12/4/2002 -0500, Edwin Houghton wrote: I don't know your price range but it sounds like what you really need is a portable DAT...I'm no tech whiz but from my experience the analog-digital conversion on a DAT is probably much superior to what you'd get by running straight into the sound card anyway...but then again I'm a mac user, anybody confirm/disagree? on 12/4/02 3:24 PM, Eric Scuccimarra at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, thanks. I think I found a decent looking Numark 3 channel scratch mixer. I do have one other question that I recently asked on the 313techknow list: Until recently my turntables were connected to my PC via a set of long RCA cables so I could record directly to hard drive. I just moved and now the computer room is upstairs and the tables are downstairs so I can't run RCA cables all over the house to make the connection. So I need a way to be able to record from the turntables and get it onto my computer. Some suggestions included: - A stereo CD burner - A portable WAV recorder - Some sort of device which allegedly transmits sound using radio waves. Any comments, suggestions, advice? Particularly on what models of things to get... Thanks, Eric
(313) solexis label decode help
so this Solexis audio record that says particles, beta light, lazy bones... what's the full info? artist, tracks, label? thanks, dave
Re: (313) solexis label decode help
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, dmc wrote: so this Solexis audio record that says particles, beta light, lazy bones... what's the full info? artist, tracks, label? There are two Solexis Audio releases out this far, both are quite mysterious as to the producer(s). To my feeble knowledge, they are by the same people who put out the three absolutely fabulous electro releases on Scopex, (two as Simulant and one as Pollon). I haven't got the faintest idea who are behind the releases, though I would make it almost mandatory for everyone who likes electro to hunt the Scopex releases down (if you can - they are very, very scarce nowadays). The Solexis releases are both very solid, well produced and fine material for almost any set. I recommend them heartily, though the first one could be a bit difficult to find. If anyone has any information on Scopex/Solexis they want to share, I'm interested as well. Cheers, -- nuutti-iivari meriläinen gordon at diversion dot org http colon slash slash www dot diversion dot org slash
Re: (313) solexis label decode help
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Nuutti-Iivari Meriläinen wrote: On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, dmc wrote: so this Solexis audio record that says particles, beta light, lazy bones... what's the full info? artist, tracks, label? Oh yes. The information :) PLS12001 Solexis Audio - Deep Flight (1999, 12) A1Deep Flight B1Dusk Til Dawn SLX12002 Solexis Audio - Particles (2002, 12) A1Particles B1Beta Lite B2Lazy Bones Cheers, -- nuutti-iivari meriläinen gordon at diversion dot org http colon slash slash www dot diversion dot org slash
