(313) Richie's hair was (313) Richie Hawtin in Toronto June 30
Saw Richie last night in Baltimore. I had heard that he was growing out his hair but OH MY GOD, I didn't expect a full head of hair cut in a sort of geeky 1960's clean cut boy next door style. This was the first time I have seen him playing a set that wasn't an all out heavy banging till your head and chest hurt. Much more minimal and almost quiet, more of a head nodding than dancing set. From: Garrett McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Erin Berg (WPL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org, '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: (313) Richie Hawtin in Toronto June 30 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 15:34:59 -0700 _not_ _his_ _party_. i've seen him at megarave events where there were giant inflatable animals hanging from the ceiling. he played some candy rave thing in texas last year where there were carnival rides. seriously. as to whether he can veto these things: no. being who he is he'll probably have some degree of influence, but he's a contractor in these circumstances, not the guy in charge. maybe the fact that the control series of parties -- which originated in detroit, were 100% his events, and therefore completely under his creative control -- has morphed into a portable performance technique with the same name is what's tripping you up. don't expect to see a 'richie' party just because he's there, unless it's been put on by Minus. and more than likely, is taking place in detroit. On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 12:06 PM, Erin Berg (WPL) wrote: Ha _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) john rocca
They used to carry the 'after midnight' too with a KDJ release btw but you're right, no super labels beside the 'after midnight' releases RAW - Original Message - From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RAW2019 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: Re: (313) john rocca He was used to do something with thai kickboxing or something like that, as soon as he opened the shop he was talking about setting up a studio over in Thailand. Actually i can't be that bothered that he stopped doing Outland records and Spiritual records, their last releases were horrible, of course they did release some really brilliant stuff on it as well. Personally i really like the Basic Bastard records from mr. Voorn and the Rachmad Records stuff. Oh and the Naomi Daniel/In-ner zone one of course. Derrick released 2 records on Spiritual, the Incogdo one which is nice and a less interesting one with the dutch dj Marcello but i forgot the name of that record kj Well Wibo ... mr Hoovers had some troubles ... which I won't discuss here ;) and yes those were exciting times. I wished he had stayed here .. I met him just before he left for thailand We clicked musically but he had to leave He had a studio set up there and asked me to do some enginering for him but i hadn't much experience and cancelled it ... grr I don't know anything about him being a former a boxing trainer he was bold so maybe ... RAW - Original Message - From: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RAW2019' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:23 AM Subject: RE: (313) john rocca Pieter Hoovers... Now THAT'S a name I haven't heard in ages. In the mid nineties Outland was probably the best shop in Amsterdam. That was about the same time that Remy, Marcello and Dimitri ruled the clubs and parties around here. Exciting times. And after that, Hoovers just disappeared. Back to Thailand they say. Wasn't he a boxing-trainer or something? W np: Cinematic Orchestra Man With A Movie Camera = I Remember House when House Music was Soul Music and R'n'B, before House was Disco, be-before House was Disco. Blaze I Remember House = -Original Message- From: RAW2019 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 3 juli 2003 20:53 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) john rocca I don´t know if the outland was owned by dj dimirti.. but dimitri did some really great sets in those days. Cheers, Maarten Outland was owned by Pieter who now has a studio in thailand ! The Amsterdam connection involved Dimitri as well even more that Derrick shows in the interview anyway I also didn't know this 12 was produced by Carl and Derrick The Piano tracks with eq-ing rules have too dig that one up it'll brings back some nice memories for shure RAW
(313) amp fiddler lovewar
YUCK! i checked it in realaudio before ordering and assumed it went somewhere that the clip wasnt long enough to tell me but no...beautiful cover artwork, lame lame music. sappy, bland jazz touches that make marian mcpartland seem wild. and production in general just goes nowhere. amp's voice is generic. someone said the vocals to lovewar were really intelligent and cool, uhhh what vocals? the word love ? or the scatty stuff??..freakin is so syruppy and generic it makes me cringe...i am really bewildered what you guys are hearing in this stuff that you think is so great...the jan mix is just 2 minutes of filler...i am a fan of kdj and i do like rb and jazz, but this stuff is WEAK. i'd heard the other amp's in mp3 and didnt like much either but thought maybe this one got it together...nope! shoulda known better, but had to buy one to be sure i guess. gr!! haha. with all the hype i thought maybe there should be one disagreeing viewpoint, i wish it had come before i put down my $ on it... anybody wanna trade something for it? pref in usaplease take this junk off my hands! i'm sure i'm really selling it well hahah jt _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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ha !! that was me raving about that record!!! I guess I owe you a $$ or two haha! no it was a lot more people than just you... I like it!! I think it's better that alot of house stuff I hear - dunno, can't explain, I just like it. yuck. it's limp stuff. of course there's loads of bad house but...damn. i like the stick-y beat in lovewar at first, but it doesnt go anywhere! except to add this weak nowhere elevator jazz stuff...and amp's voice is generic as hell which turns me off even more..maybe if the lyrics/voice was something special it would make up for the music going nowhere..i'll listen to it again, but geez i almost dont want to I wouldn't buy anything else of his - this is one of the strongest. Did you get the ampdog knight thing? no...i dont think i ever heard that one in mp3/digital either..more direct/less easy-listening jazz? you sure you want that Moodymann LP?? yea! :) you know i got it on cd already right? but my roommate has it on vinyl and i like it a lot better that way...without the hazy blending together of the tracks. even then tho i dont see that it's much comparable to the ampit actually goes somewhere. i'm not totally into the jazzy kdj stuff either but its got a lot more soul and energy in it and is not nearly so wishy-washy and generic. a little bit, but there's something subtly different... oh well taster's choice and all that :) jt _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: (313) Muzik (was 7 Magazine)
Ministry Australia's July ed is carrying a really nice introductory article on Detroit Techno by sometime Cabaret Voltaire member Stephen Mallinder (now based in Perth). The new Jockey Slut - with The Neptunes on the cover - has a bonus CD with a Rob Hood track (Upon A Millennial Moment) and Carl Craig's remix of Francois De Roubaix. Nice! -- From: Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Muzik (was 7 Magazine) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 9:36 PM Magazines like NME and Mojo aren't just getting readers from older ex-dance-music people, though, I don't think - rock music as a whole is being pushed by the majors as the hot new thing and so I wouldn't underestimate the amount of 17 or 18-year-olds who are buying them, and who probably see electronic/dance music as a bit of an old person's thing! (I have certain opinions on this whole rock-renaissance thing too, which I won't bother to share with this list ;) Completely, if you look at kids (in the UK anyhow) between the ages 13-16 how many are wearing linkin park, sum 41 etc. t-shirts? I think for kids in the UK there are two broad categories you fall into at the moment. Either you're an RB, Hip Hop, Garage kid or you're a rocker (Marilyn Manson, linkin park etc.) There just isn't any room for dance music at the moment. Even when the sales of the music magazines (mixmag,ministry in particular) were high, I'd say the majority of people buying them were interested in trance. They were also bought by people I'd class as not really 'interested' in dance music more into the scence drugs 'n all. I can't remember which mag it was (ministry I think) but around 98-99 the front cover was a picture of a pill and the magazine was pretty much all about drugs. This shows the supposed music magazines we more fashion/style mags. Some magazines are okay for night listings and record reviews but generally the interviews and articles are of no interest. -- Mike
Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
-- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] yuck. it's limp stuff. of course there's loads of bad house but...damn. i like the stick-y beat in lovewar at first, but it doesnt go anywhere! except to add this weak nowhere elevator jazz stuff...and amp's voice is generic as hell which turns me off even more..maybe if the lyrics/voice was something special it would make up for the music going nowhere..i'll listen to it again, but geez i almost dont want to i just dont know what to say about this description of love and war. IMO nothing is generic about anything about it. perhaps the old quote he used in the lyrics is a little familiar, but i think that was the point. no...i dont think i ever heard that one in mp3/digital either..more direct/less easy-listening jazz? you sound like this one friend of mine who doesnt like anything that doesnt have a very straightforward beat to it. personally i like more variety in my beats. yea! :) you know i got it on cd already right? but my roommate has it on vinyl and i like it a lot better that way...without the hazy blending together of the tracks. even then tho i dont see that it's much comparable to the ampit actually goes somewhere. i'm not totally into the jazzy kdj stuff either but its got a lot more soul and energy in it and is not nearly so wishy-washy and generic. a little bit, but there's something subtly different... i really dont see how any of this music is generic. but you know amp fiddler plays keys on at least one and probably more tracks on that album. really i dont know what to say. i have both amp fiddler 12s in my box, the amp dog knights, the detroit experiment LP with amp on it, and the moodymann tracks with amp on them, and theyre probably most of the best new tracks i have. tom andythepooh.com
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I think specialised lists are not typical of the wider fanbase for dance music, that's why the lifestyle element came into the media. I didn't like it either but realistically for people who are into the scene, not just the music as such, maybe that was appropriate? Also, I value this list but it's different to a magazine - it's more informal and more interactive than a magazine but the info is less detailed. You don't get artist interviews, for example. It depends on what info you're after too. -- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) Muzik (was 7 Magazine) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 2:18 AM I think the net and lists like this one have taken over as the source for information on dance music. The mags did not realise this and thought they had to include more and more lifestyle articles at the expense of record reviews and their sales slumped even further, hence the crisis. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 3:15 PM To: Tom Churchill Cc: 313; Cyclone Wehner Subject: Re: (313) Muzik (was 7 Magazine) In contrast, rock titles, such as New Musical Express and Kerrang!, and magazines aimed at older music fans, such as Mojo and Uncut, have enjoyed circulation increases. I think there is your answer. The clubbers are growing up and are getting tired of the same old dance music - or at least the way it's presented. I wonder how XLR8R, URB, and other US mags are doing? There still seems to be a lot of kids still learning and listening to dance music in the US as opposed to the UK? correct me if I'm wrong please. MEK Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Cyclone Wehner rdings.com [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org 07/03/03 02:43 AMcc: Subject: Re: (313) Muzik (was 7 Magazine) Yeah, that's a surprise. Wonder why? What's the talk? Full story: http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/story/0,7495,988334,00.html Cheers, Tom # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
(313) NYC tonight: Clark Warner, DJ Olive, Lawrence English
Sunday July 6 Undercity This week: 7 - MercY_KillaH 8 - Sheldon Drake 9 - Object (aka Lawrence English | Quatermass, Room 40 | Australia) 10 - DJ Olive (the Agriculture | NYC) LIVE 11 - Clark Warner (M_nus | Windsor, Canada) Visuals: Viduo Halcyon 7p-2am 227 Smith Street (Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn) (718)260-9299 http://www.halcyonline.com all ages, free Big week for Undercity! Our friend Lawrence English is in town! He runs the most excellent Room 40 records in Australia. He has collaborated with DJ Olive, Scanner, David Toop and many others, and did a nice ambient remix of Nettle for the Agriculture. DJ Olive plays every thursday at Subtonic when he's not busy touring the world (at this point i think he's spending more time on the road than in nyc). Tonight he's going to play a live ambient set. Can't recommend his set highly enough. Also, Clark Warner of M_nus Records is also confirmed. He held down the back room at Arc last night very well.
Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
i just dont know what to say about this description of love and war. IMO nothing is generic about anything about it. perhaps the old quote he used in the lyrics is a little familiar, but i think that was the point. what lyrics?? i heard lovv and some scatting..?? quote? guess i need to listen again...? but i just dont even like his voice or his delivery..syruppy, too smooth not enough real feeling..to my ears! it's a subtle thing. i really dont see how any of this music is generic. but you know amp fiddler plays keys on at least one and probably more tracks on that album. if its fresh to you then great. not generic? well, i have heard thousands and thousands of jazz records. i sell them for a living. so maybe it's unfortunate but i dont hear anything but limp playing/ideas, heard it 1000 times before kinda stuff, as far as the jazz elements go. as far as his voice i hear a alot of rb classic vocalists distilled into something generic. its not amps fault his voice sounds the way it does but it doesnt grab me at all. i gotta say i am not very enthusiastic about the jazzy kdj stuff either, but usually it comes together better, progresses, etc etc so that it doesnt bug me and hits me better. it's a subtle thing. sometimes playing/singing this kind of cheese gets by with me, other times it makes me cringe and run to pick up the needle.. box, the amp dog knights, the detroit experiment LP with amp on a lot of the jazz on detroit experiment falls flat as well imo! sorry. i know at least a few people on here who are into jazz agree with me.. i much prefer russ gabriel's recent stuff. if he hooked up with a nice rb vocalist i think it could be in the same area as amp but blow him out of the water. if i wasnt extremely disappointed with it i wouldnt have said anything... jt _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
-- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] what lyrics?? i heard lovv and some scatting..?? quote? guess i need to listen again...? the if you stand for nothing, youll fall for anything bit. its certainly not a straight up vocal track. but i just dont even like his voice or his delivery..syruppy, too smooth not enough real feeling..to my ears! it's a subtle thing. perhaps im biased after seeing him live, but trust me, he's got much real feeling when he performs, and i think also on his records. if its fresh to you then great. im not calling it fresh, but its definitely distinctive. i could pick an amp track out of a lineup easily. its definitely not generic. not generic? well, i have heard thousands and thousands of jazz records. i sell them for a living. so maybe it's unfortunate but i dont hear anything but limp playing/ideas, heard it 1000 times before kinda stuff, as far as the jazz elements go. im also pretty unsure why this has to do with jazz. amp played with george clinton for like a decade. he makes funky music. there might be some jazziness to it, but he wasnt trying to make a jazz record. a lot of the jazz on detroit experiment falls flat as well imo! sorry. i know at least a few people on here who are into jazz agree with me.. the detroit experiment certainly wasnt meant to be a jazz record either though! obviously the inclusion of jazz players gives it a good dose of jazzy flavor, but theres also a good dose of hiphop, techno, and funk in there, which is why its the detroit experiment and not the detroit jazz record. i love me some jazz, im certainly not a purist of any genre, but i think the DE lp is really quality, and their performance at movement was absolutely fantastic. i much prefer russ gabriel's recent stuff. if he hooked up with a nice rb vocalist i think it could be in the same area as amp but blow him out of the water. i think theyre definitely 2 different fish: russ's stuff is definitely leaning more towards jazz than amp's stuff is. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) Muzik (was 7 Magazine)
is this the 10 inch that came out the other day??? From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Carl Craig's remix of Francois De Roubaix. Nice! _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) Muzik (was 7 Magazine)
There's a 12 inch with some other mixes on it, like one from Luke Vibert, I think, that's also highlighted in the JS, this is just one cut off it on the CD. There's also a review of a new Dave Angel EP in JS, wondered what was up with him. See, you can get useful info from mags. ;) -- From: ryan burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Muzik (was 7 Magazine) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 7:19 AM is this the 10 inch that came out the other day??? From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Carl Craig's remix of Francois De Roubaix. Nice! _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
J.T's so superficial J.T's so superficial J.T's so superficial YEAH ryan From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] YUCK! i checked it in realaudio before ordering and assumed it went somewhere that the clip wasnt long enough to tell me but no...beautiful cover artwork, lame lame music. sappy, bland jazz touches that make marian mcpartland seem wild. and production in general just goes nowhere. amp's voice is generic. someone said the vocals to lovewar were really intelligent and cool, uhhh what vocals? the word love ? or the scatty stuff??..freakin is so syruppy and generic it makes me cringe...i am really bewildered what you guys are hearing in this stuff that you think is so great...the jan mix is just 2 minutes of filler...i am a fan of kdj and i do like rb and jazz, but this stuff is WEAK. i'd heard the other amp's in mp3 and didnt like much either but thought maybe this one got it together...nope! shoulda known better, but had to buy one to be sure i guess. gr!! haha. with all the hype i thought maybe there should be one disagreeing viewpoint, i wish it had come before i put down my $ on it... anybody wanna trade something for it? pref in usaplease take this junk off my hands! i'm sure i'm really selling it well hahah jt _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
the if you stand for nothing, youll fall for anything bit. its certainly not a straight up vocal track. ahh yeah i didnt hear that...i wasnt payign that much attention i guess im not calling it fresh, but its definitely distinctive. i could pick an amp track out of a lineup easily. its definitely not generic. no - you like it. i wouldnt say its definitely not generic! because it is to me...call me picky, whatever... im also pretty unsure why this has to do with jazz. amp played because it's jazzy. i dont think its that hard to figure out. i'm not saying it has to be in 5/8 time or anything. with george clinton for like a decade. he makes funky music. there might be some jazziness to it, but he wasnt trying to make a jazz record. i do like the basslines..but i wouldnt call this stuff funky exactly..obviously this stuff is not straight up jazz...like...duh :P the detroit experiment certainly wasnt meant to be a jazz record either though! obviously the inclusion of jazz players gives it a good dose of jazzy flavor, but theres also a good dose of hiphop, techno, and funk in there, which is why its the detroit experiment and not the detroit jazz record. i love me some man you deserved to be slapped with a fish for that...come on!! gimme a freakin break. jazz stopped having to be all trumpets and odd time signatures 40 years ago. does nitpicking over genre name really have any point? lp is really quality, and their performance at movement was absolutely fantastic. i didnt make it to movement...i would've dug it live i'm sure, but live music is easier to like. i dig some music i'd otherwise be way more critical of when i see it live. i think theyre definitely 2 different fish: russ's stuff is definitely leaning more towards jazz than amp's stuff is. true, but...its just taste i guess, the elements i pick up on in amp seem wishywashy and artificial like msg to me. whatever. im not trying to get personal, it justa int my thing..at allis that OK?? thank you!! jt _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
-- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] no - you like it. i wouldnt say its definitely not generic! because it is to me...call me picky, whatever... generic to me implies that the music has no character, that it could be being played by anybody. check any boyband knockoffs of nsync and backstreet boys or any of the pearl jam knockoffs for what id classify as generic. because it's jazzy. i dont think its that hard to figure out. i'm not saying it has to be in 5/8 time or anything. jazzy /= jazz. even still, i dont see it as jazzy at all really. i do like the basslines..but i wouldnt call this stuff funky exactly..obviously this stuff is not straight up jazz...like...duh :P im just saying, holding it up to jazz records to compare it just doesnt make sense. obviously its not going to hold up. but thats because it wasnt the intention for the record to be a jazz record. man you deserved to be slapped with a fish for that...come on!! gimme a freakin break. jazz stopped having to be all trumpets and odd time signatures 40 years ago. does nitpicking over genre name really have any point? youre comparing apples and oranges. im not going to compare pharoah sanders to kenny g because thyere not even the same thing, though they might both be called jazz by different people. im not arguing genre names, im arguing the essence of the performance. i didnt make it to movement...i would've dug it live i'm sure, but live music is easier to like. i dig some music i'd otherwise be way more critical of when i see it live. im usually similarly critical, whether its live or recorded. true, but...its just taste i guess, the elements i pick up on in amp seem wishywashy and artificial like msg to me. whatever. im not trying to get personal, it justa int my thing..at allis that OK?? thank you!! thats fine, but calling something thats distinctive generic and comparing a non-jazz record to jazz records just dont make proper musical criticism to me. i hate autechre, but im not going to call them generic or compare them to jazz even though im sure they were influenced by it tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
Yeah, I agree completely with JT's comments, as a long time jazz player and fan I notice that some of the jazzier things seem more hype to others on this list than to myself, and I think maybe it's because my background and jazz makes me a little harder to impress with releases that go in that directions. It's so easy to sound like noodly lounge music in this genre!!! Haven't heard the new amp fiddler record so I can't comment on that specifically. But, well I'll just keep my opinion on his cover of Too High to myself. ;) --Dave -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 3:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar i just dont know what to say about this description of love and war. IMO nothing is generic about anything about it. perhaps the old quote he used in the lyrics is a little familiar, but i think that was the point. what lyrics?? i heard lovv and some scatting..?? quote? guess i need to listen again...? but i just dont even like his voice or his delivery..syruppy, too smooth not enough real feeling..to my ears! it's a subtle thing. i really dont see how any of this music is generic. but you know amp fiddler plays keys on at least one and probably more tracks on that album. if its fresh to you then great. not generic? well, i have heard thousands and thousands of jazz records. i sell them for a living. so maybe it's unfortunate but i dont hear anything but limp playing/ideas, heard it 1000 times before kinda stuff, as far as the jazz elements go. as far as his voice i hear a alot of rb classic vocalists distilled into something generic. its not amps fault his voice sounds the way it does but it doesnt grab me at all. i gotta say i am not very enthusiastic about the jazzy kdj stuff either, but usually it comes together better, progresses, etc etc so that it doesnt bug me and hits me better. it's a subtle thing. sometimes playing/singing this kind of cheese gets by with me, other times it makes me cringe and run to pick up the needle.. box, the amp dog knights, the detroit experiment LP with amp on a lot of the jazz on detroit experiment falls flat as well imo! sorry. i know at least a few people on here who are into jazz agree with me.. i much prefer russ gabriel's recent stuff. if he hooked up with a nice rb vocalist i think it could be in the same area as amp but blow him out of the water. if i wasnt extremely disappointed with it i wouldnt have said anything... jt _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
JT, it's so simple... You're wrong. JUST KIDDING!! If everyone liked the same stuff the world would be as boring as a 7 hour John Aquaviva DJ set... ok whatever but you know what I mean. ;) Disclaimer: this is not an attempt to get you to like it (a pointless exercise to anyone for any reason) but more of the reasons why I see merit in this .. and others of his records. I like Amp Fiddler because it's not techno or house but it has the elements of detroit sound that I like to hear in other music I listen to. It's funny you use jazz as a reference cause that's the last thing I would have likened it too. I like the songwriting. I would classify it as 'rb' or 'soul' before I would think of it as jazz, but wherever you come from is how you relate and describe things so whatever, that's pretty moot point anyway. I also know very little about jazz compared to most, so maybe I don't have the same distaste as a more typical jazz head might. I also think when you take a mouthful of something and spit it out immediately (judging from your reaction that seemed to be the case?) You might have written it off wholesale without looking a little further. I like Freakin, reminds me of a cut you'd hear coming out of someone's trunk at a BBQ in the summer, recalls a Fatback or SOS Band vibe almost. I like the lyrics to love and war... didn't hear any scat myself. The keys playing I find interesting, moreso than the rhythms... the piano keys in 'love and war' I think are great and moody. Did you listen to the electronic synth parts in freakin' ? Crazy analogue sounds and squiggles and synth farts, etc. It's just a fresh little summer jammy jam, I don't see anything generic in it.. the solo is nuts! Or if nothing else, fun and groovin.. not a whole lot else to think for me. I agree the KDJ version was a bit of a let-down.. if you want better examples of that check the Mahogani or KDJ collaborations (DOH - too late you bought this one!) ;) Maybe the expectations where too weird but I also don't think that much about it, I liked the grooves, a summertime kind of sound and the man has a lot of talent on the keys and I like the sound of his voice myself too. The beats I think could be better compared to other elements of his productions, but we'll see what happens in the future... Maybe Amp just needs some $tinkworx beats to liven it up!! PS - I love Detroit Experiment as one of the whole greater than the sum of the parts thing, each track is a little different and the crazy influences do come out individually AND collectively (to me). Midnight at Twenty Grand!! It seems to be the trendy thing now with a lot of techno heads to dislike where Carl is going on the jazz collective tip and I'm not havin it... music needs to expand, the detroit sound is way to wide to stay pegged in a single genre. I'm glad people are going for it. Peace, Matt MacQueen PS - Speaking of... Now I gotta go drive to Dusty Groove and pick up the new Dwele LP: From DustyGroove.com - sparkling debut from Detroit's Dwele -- a sweet vocalist in the Donny Hathaway tradition, but with a tight, beat heavy soul sound that glides between 70s soul jazz, mellowed-out Jay Dee synth hop groove, and the natural soul vibe ?uestlove brings to his productions! We first caught wind of Dwele on Slum Village's Tainted single, and that's a good indication of the sound you'll find on the debut. Mellow, trippy keys and sound washes drench the album from beginning-to-end, with Dwele's often deeply layered vocals weighing the bright, modern groove aspects of the sound with a rich sense of soul history. There's a slight 70s soul jazz vibe, too, in spots -- a sophisticated studio groove with bright bass and some sunny, soulfully strummed electric guitar. Dwele finds some truly nice middle ground between the natural soul scene, modern groove, and the mellower beats and grooves of the best Detroit hip hop of recent years -- a scene that Dwele indeed was a player in before finding his soul muse. Great stuff -- similar enough to some of his contemporaries -- but still wholly unique in Dwele's embrace of a bright, sunny, polished sound that still manages to maintain naturally soulful grit and grease! The title track is a classic -- crackly, thumping beats, sweetly chiming keys, and capital M Moody vocals -- and many others are nearly as strong! Includes Hold On, Find A Way, Day At A Time, Kick Out Of You, Sho Ya Right, Lady Mahogany, Money Don't Mean A Thing, and more. 10 tracks on the LP. -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar the if you stand for nothing, youll fall for anything bit. its certainly not a straight up vocal track. ahh yeah i didnt hear that...i wasnt payign that much attention i guess im not calling it fresh, but its definitely distinctive. i could pick an amp track out of a lineup
