(313) Fwd: Live @ Monroe's: HIGH TECH SOUL screening w/ Juan Atkins, Kenny Larkin (fwd)
Probably everyone that reads (313) in LA already knows about this, but just in case there's a lurker or three ... this is TONIGHT (Tuesday) btw: - Greg Begin forwarded message: I'm sure you already knew about this, but just in case you didn't: -- Forwarded message -- Join us for a very special Live at Monroes ... 8623 Melrose Ave., West Hollywood Brought to you by Caprice Crawford, Mark Macinnis and Preston Gaspar Join us for a very special night TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 8th, 2005 for a private screening of Gary Bredow's documentary HIGH TECH SOUL: The Real Story of Detroit Techno. This feature documentary film paints a vivid picture of the birth of techno, answering questions of how and why this music was born in Detroit. To watch the trailer, click the link at www.glustudios.com After the screening, Live @ Monroe's is pleased to welcome JUAN ATKINS, the innovator of Detroit techno, KENNY LARKIN plus special guest DJ's. 7:00PM - Doors open 8:30PM - Screening of HIGH TECH SOUL: The Real Story of Detroit Techno 10:30PM (until close) - Juan Atkins, Kenny Larkin plus special guest DJ's SPACE IS EXTREMELY LIMITED: Please RSVP with NAMES ONLY (no +1's etc) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] by 12:00PM on Monday, February 7th, 2005. Names on the list get in for free, names not on the list will be charged only $5.00.
(313) PHONIQ NETLABEL LAUNCH FEB 19 2005
HERE IT IS THE INFO YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. PHONIQ NETLABEL LAUNCH FEATURING NETLABEL ARTISTS: bleupulp - live - Quebec City (syndroma.org, pertin_nce) fm_man - live (rave.ca) insomniak - dj/live (insomniak.ca) sarcastic - dj (level4productions.com) SPECIAL GUEST DJ: philgood -special detroit set- (inbeat records) PHONIQ RESIDENTS: naw - live (noisefactoryrecords.com) cyan - dj (modular systems, ckut) khanfucius - dj (panospria.com) VISUALS: delray - (rx-tx/asphodel/reflective) johnny ranger - (mindroots.com) SATURDAY FEBRUARY 19 le local 7154 st-urbain 2100 - 0600 $5 at the door http://www.phoniq.net/ *PRESS RELEASE* The phoniq collective invites you to the launch of the phoniq netlabel. over the past year phoniq has been active in canada's electronic music community, coordinating live music series, initiating country wide dialog through our mailing list and web portal and involving artists in projects and collaborations. now we are happy to announce the the launch of the phoniq netlabel as well as the launch of the new phoniq.net website which will encourage even more interaction and participation from electronic music artists. phoniq netlabel will release material online in mp3 format at regular intervals, giving exposure to the breadth of canadian talent. the label kicks off with releases from 12 artists, featuring the sounds of up and coming artists as well as those already known within the electronic music community. the launch party on february 19th will play host to 4 of these 12 artists. bleupulp of quebec city will make his first live appearance in montreal with a minimal techno set. montreal's fm_man will perform a live set of his dancefloor rocking beats, insomniak brings his techno infused breakbeat sound, and sarcastic will play his signature blend of cutting edge tek. also appearing at the launch will be guest dj philgood, well known in montreal for his unique electro style. for this event he will delve into the crates to bring us a rare detroit techno set - not to be missed! phoniq residents naw, khanfucius and cyan will be rounding out the night into minimal, deep, glitch and dub techno territories. throughout the night, vjs johnny ranger and delray will stimulate and intrigue with their diverse visual textures and techniques. *BIOS/INFO* PHONIQ [www.phoniq.net] phoniq is a collective working to foster collaboration and communication between electronic music artists in canada. phoniq.net is a web portal where artists are invited to join our growing community by participating in our mailing list as well as ongoing projects. projects include live music series, file sharing collaborations, and the phoniq netlabel. BLEUPULP [syndroma.org] maxime tanguay aka bleupulp is an active member of quebec city electronic music scene he fisrt started dj-ing jungle music in rave parties around 2000, then opened up for various electronic music style such as techno, house, idm, minimal ... his love for electronic music pushed him to start creating his own music, since about 2002 you can hear him playing live with machines and laptop. his music could be described as colourful, texturized and experimental. he is currently working on a few projects such as a net label, cd-r, and cd album releases. maxime is part of the syndroma colective and the pertinence crew, organizations that focus on promoting quality electronic music. PHILGOOD [inbeat records] Having spent more than half of his life behind turntables, Philgood has always given priority to music that takes the listener into new dimensions, stimulating dance, excitement, and an escape from the rigors of everyday life. Philgood has by now caught the ears and attention of electronica scenesters the world over. Through appearances at such renowned Montreal clubs as Sona, Circus, Red Lite or Playground, and via his performances overseas, Philgood has dropped records alongside techno luminaries including Laurent Garnier, Marco Carola, Richie Hawtin, DJ Rush, Sven Väth, Green Velvet, Thomas Krome, Joel Mull and T-1000. SARCASTIC [level4productions.com] This amorphous being has contributed to the subcultures cabalistic causes on many levels for the past decade, performing at virtually all of Montreal's clubs and coast-to-coast across the country alongside techno luminaries including Frankie Bones, Thomas Krome, Slobodan or The Punisher, and minimal experimentalists such as Andrew Duke, Kero, Algorithm, or Deadbeat. Possessed since childhood with a needling drive to splice together discrete musical compositions, first with cassette decks, microphones, CD players or 8-tracks, it was only a matter of time before an unwitting companion introduced Sarcastic to his destiny in the early nineties: the Technics-1200. Since, Sarcastic has founded Level 4 Productions, a record label, artist collective and promotion company synonymous with the cutting-edge of techno. His love for the chugging repetitive nature of ghettotek, pure
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
On Feb 7, 2005, at 7:35 AM, Tosh Cooey wrote: downloaded matt mcqueen's latest radio show (a counter-argument to your claim that 'this' would never happen on american radio), a fabrice lig mix, an old mixmaster morris mix -- Matt's a great guy, but he's playing for a very very very small niche in a very very very small niche market, not exactly mainstream. Somehow i missed this thread, sorry for the late reply Tosh. I appreciate the olive branch, but that attitude cracks me up. there was once a time in the US when people probably said House music was very very small niche when it was on the air here 15-20 years ago and guess what... it fired up a world phenomenon that is still a part of the dance music culture you celebrate daily. if you said that back then to the people Djing on WBMX or Hotmix 5 or whatever, yeah, they could have said why bother? -- at that time it was niche, they were playing weirdo italo disco that was already 5 years old to US radio audiences. they played disco after disco was dead. but but they made a difference instead, they mixed it up and did their own music and called it house, those radio shows fundamentally shaped the future of electronic dance music forever. It was the same way with Mojo. A lot of what he played was pop, sure, but he mixed it with a lot of local detroit techno records that people then wanted to check out, get interested in, or at least listen to religiously on his his show. These were major market commercial stations! Now, what has happened in the last 10 years with Clear Channel and the homogenization of radio programming options absolutely sucks, sure, but has only made the independent stations that much more fired up to keep doing what they're doing.it hasn't devastated the airwaves... yet We're broadcasting in chicago on friday nights, prime time 9:30pm - 12:30 am... how you define a very very small niche but to me that's a HUUUGE opportunity to turn people on. We've had calls from as far as 50 miles north of the city who can pick us up on a clear night, and last I checked we were the 3rd or 4th largest city in the US. Think of how dense the population is in chicago. Having a broadcasting tower is a the great equalizer. It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. Everyone in the US who just sits on the outside of radio and takes pot-shots, have you ever scanned your dial for community or university stations, many of whom still truly CARE about the formatting, are non-commerical or ethical in how they conduct business, present alternative viewpoints to the mainstream stations, and work true musical diversity into their programming time? Many major markets have these. There are some amazing radio programs in NYC too. Here in chicago you can hear polish folk music to punk to salsa programming to underground hip-hop, you can find it on the air here. When Bill VanLoo was going to school in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, way up in the remote parts of the snow-buried rural land, he was pumping out detroit techno week after week. In Chicago I can think of a few other stations besides WNUR in chicago who have awesome programming on other nights. Is it mainstream? Only if you hit people squarely in the ears who had NO IDEA there were still good radio programs in the US, people click around. I'm not out to change the world and have techno on every radio station, but I am trying to turn people on to quality electronic music, one listener at a time. And i'm not even getting into the webcasting and site downloads.. i check the logs and we've got people from 50+ countries regularly listening. Community radio in the US is powerful, were' on the ghetto end of the dial, but don't sit there across the world and give us a little pat on the head. :) peace -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
(313) Propaganda
One of the best groups ever! http://www.trackitdown.net/news/658.html
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
here in the raleigh-durham area of north carolina, you can catch the occasional house classic on the most popular station in the area, a commercial rb/hiphop station, during the live drive-time mixes that air on thursday and friday rush hour...pretty funny to hear the latest lil jon crap mixed into no way back..it is occasional, but it makes me think that there is a large audience that would be moderately receptive to more dance music (especially with vox) if it hit the commercial airwaves. and then there are the college stations from duke, unc (the first station in the world to simulcast on the internet, toot toot), and nc state, which play all sorts of good stuff, they're all fairly popular too. radio ain't dead yet, thanks to college radio, and the more respectable hiphop/rb stations which acknowledge their connection to other dance music and dance music history. you wont ever hear a set of deep techno, but you will hear some good stuff, and people's ears are pretty healthily fed around here big up clinically inclined!
Re: (313) Propaganda
thanks Cyclone for forwarding that interview! it really made my day! now I'll have Jewel/Duel stuck in my head for the rest of the night. back in those days the two albums you'd find in *everyones* collection (at least here in Detroit) were Propaganda and New Orders Low Life it was some kind of law or something. every house party you went to would have those two albums played, at some point in the night, straight through. theyre the theme music to my youth ;^) sean on 2/8/05 10:46 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: One of the best groups ever! http://www.trackitdown.net/news/658.html
Re: (313) Soldier Rolando no longer with UR
this is some heavy sh*t! has there ever been major turmoil like this within the UR camp in the past? - Original Message - From: Rebelbass/bookings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: Re: (313) Soldier Rolando no longer with UR I've heard that it started in december last year. there were no credits for Rolando's music on the Los Hermanos album wich appeared in december last year. he worked for several months in his studio for this album. On the album 'on another level' was written: all tracks by Gerald Mitchel. The band los hermanos is NOT rolando. these are the people who are involved: santiago, gerald mitchell, mike banks, and frankie 3000. Suburban Knight as dj. Mike Banks is the publisher of Los Hermanos. It was also Mike who formed the band Los hermanos. Rolando was not involved by the forming of this band. When he asked he was told: the label is from UR not from you. It looks like Rolando has been ripped by his own brothers...? it looks to me like that. Due to unforeseen and sadly irreconcilable differences in respect of his partners in the Los Hermanos label - Rolando will make no further recordings with Los Hermanos and is seeking to amicably dissolve his partnership. W T F ? Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems ** I am exactly what I wanted to become since I was 5 years old. Since 5 year olds are not noted for mature judgement and sometimes aspire to piracy or gunfighting, this is not necessarily a sign of success. **
Re: (313) Soldier Rolando no longer with UR
Where did you get this information Rebelbass? Who asked him what and when? Does anybody know more? On Tuesday, February 08, 2005, at 05:45PM, Rebelbass/bookings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard that it started in december last year. there were no credits for Rolando's music on the Los Hermanos album wich appeared in december last year. he worked for several months in his studio for this album. On the album 'on another level' was written: all tracks by Gerald Mitchel. The band los hermanos is NOT rolando. these are the people who are involved: santiago, gerald mitchell, mike banks, and frankie 3000. Suburban Knight as dj. Mike Banks is the publisher of Los Hermanos. It was also Mike who formed the band Los hermanos. Rolando was not involved by the forming of this band. When he asked he was told: the label is from UR not from you. It looks like Rolando has been ripped by his own brothers...? it looks to me like that. Due to unforeseen and sadly irreconcilable differences in respect of his partners in the Los Hermanos label - Rolando will make no further recordings with Los Hermanos and is seeking to amicably dissolve his partnership. W T F ? Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems ** I am exactly what I wanted to become since I was 5 years old. Since 5 year olds are not noted for mature judgement and sometimes aspire to piracy or gunfighting, this is not necessarily a sign of success. **
Re: (313) Propaganda
Cool! I thought I was the only Propaganda obsessive apart from Christian Smith, ha ha! I remember Dr Mabuse but only got the album many years later. The ACT CD reissue is incredible too, as good as Propaganda, with Claudia all over it. The mix Snobbery Decay (That's Entertainment) which 'samples' Cabaret is genius. thanks Cyclone for forwarding that interview! it really made my day! now I'll have Jewel/Duel stuck in my head for the rest of the night. back in those days the two albums you'd find in *everyones* collection (at least here in Detroit) were Propaganda and New Orders Low Life it was some kind of law or something. every house party you went to would have those two albums played, at some point in the night, straight through. theyre the theme music to my youth ;^) sean on 2/8/05 10:46 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: One of the best groups ever! http://www.trackitdown.net/news/658.html
Re: (313) Propaganda
Yes, Lisa always represents! I DJ sometimes and every time I play Dream Within A Dream someone asks what it is. It's timeless. -- From: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Propaganda Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 2:59 PM Ooh! Very cool - I totally will pick this up. Thanks for the info! Lisa (a fellow propaganda lover) Cyclone Wehner wrote: One of the best groups ever! http://www.trackitdown.net/news/658.html
RE: (313) talkative bunch/Thomas Barnett
He also did another version of Nude Photo (aside from his version of that track with the same name) called 'Death Of Love'. http://www.discogs.com/release/215538 In my opinion, it's his best version. k Ken Odeluga Editor, Equities - Market Talk Dow Jones Newswires [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 February 2005 16:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) talkative bunch Wasn't he responsible for nude photo or something I have it on prime records -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 February 2005 16:17 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) talkative bunch Cripes. All the 'chat' on here today is killing me. Ok, who's heard that new Thomas Barnett record then? I haven't. Is it worth a 'check'? Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
I know lots of people over in the UK who listen to the show on the net and not all of them are 'heads' - I play the show in the office/library - my colleagues who usually listen to Audioslave and U2 appreciate it and visitors to the library ask what's playing so regularly that maybe I should get a 'now playing' sign to put on the hatch! -Original Message- From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:14 AM To: 313 Cc: Tosh Cooey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me On Feb 7, 2005, at 7:35 AM, Tosh Cooey wrote: downloaded matt mcqueen's latest radio show (a counter-argument to your claim that 'this' would never happen on american radio), a fabrice lig mix, an old mixmaster morris mix -- Matt's a great guy, but he's playing for a very very very small niche in a very very very small niche market, not exactly mainstream. Somehow i missed this thread, sorry for the late reply Tosh. I appreciate the olive branch, but that attitude cracks me up. there was once a time in the US when people probably said House music was very very small niche when it was on the air here 15-20 years ago and guess what... it fired up a world phenomenon that is still a part of the dance music culture you celebrate daily. if you said that back then to the people Djing on WBMX or Hotmix 5 or whatever, yeah, they could have said why bother? -- at that time it was niche, they were playing weirdo italo disco that was already 5 years old to US radio audiences. they played disco after disco was dead. but but they made a difference instead, they mixed it up and did their own music and called it house, those radio shows fundamentally shaped the future of electronic dance music forever. It was the same way with Mojo. A lot of what he played was pop, sure, but he mixed it with a lot of local detroit techno records that people then wanted to check out, get interested in, or at least listen to religiously on his his show. These were major market commercial stations! Now, what has happened in the last 10 years with Clear Channel and the homogenization of radio programming options absolutely sucks, sure, but has only made the independent stations that much more fired up to keep doing what they're doing.it hasn't devastated the airwaves... yet We're broadcasting in chicago on friday nights, prime time 9:30pm - 12:30 am... how you define a very very small niche but to me that's a HUUUGE opportunity to turn people on. We've had calls from as far as 50 miles north of the city who can pick us up on a clear night, and last I checked we were the 3rd or 4th largest city in the US. Think of how dense the population is in chicago. Having a broadcasting tower is a the great equalizer. It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. Everyone in the US who just sits on the outside of radio and takes pot-shots, have you ever scanned your dial for community or university stations, many of whom still truly CARE about the formatting, are non-commerical or ethical in how they conduct business, present alternative viewpoints to the mainstream stations, and work true musical diversity into their programming time? Many major markets have these. There are some amazing radio programs in NYC too. Here in chicago you can hear polish folk music to punk to salsa programming to underground hip-hop, you can find it on the air here. When Bill VanLoo was going to school in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, way up in the remote parts of the snow-buried rural land, he was pumping out detroit techno week after week. In Chicago I can think of a few other stations besides WNUR in chicago who have awesome programming on other nights. Is it mainstream? Only if you hit people squarely in the ears who had NO IDEA there were still good radio programs in the US, people click around. I'm not out to change the world and have techno on every radio station, but I am trying to turn people on to quality electronic music, one listener at a time. And i'm not even getting into the webcasting and site downloads.. i check the logs and we've got people from 50+ countries regularly listening. Community radio in the US is powerful, were' on the ghetto end of the dial, but don't sit there across the world and give us a little pat on the head. :) peace -- MM http://sonicsunset.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You.
Re: (313) Propaganda
Cyclone Wehner wrote: Cool! I thought I was the only Propaganda obsessive apart from Christian Smith, ha ha! I remember Dr Mabuse but only got the album many years later. For a while, almost anything ZTT dropped was all the rage. Propaganda had more staying power than the bulk of it, although some of those Art of Noise tracks are still just unbelievable. jeff
(313) PROPAGANDA
Alright! You know any talk of Propaganda and ZTT in general will bring me out of the woodwork. What can I say. The one true Propaganda album A Secret Wish is a huge influence on me. Murder of Love happens to be my favorite. Dream Within A Dream still- way ahead of it's time. ZTT had a way of crafting albums: engineering, sequencing, production, packaging. Detroit's early aesthetic ran parallel/ similar to this, in my opinion. Can any native Detroit artist vouch for this influence? (Kind of a Nouveu Urbane influence, y'know, 1980s UK, Face Magazine etc..) Claudia Brucken, the original singer for Propaganda is still active. She has two new projects out on her new label: There(there). One is a collaboration with Paul Humphreys from OMD, a 5 track ep called: One/Two: Item. The second, another collaboration (...a wet dream for you real ZTT geeks...) with Andrew Poppy called Another Language. The latter is simply fantastic. Andrew Poppy on piano with Claudia on vocals. Torch song type arrangements of a very ecclectic song list: Frank Black, Elvis Costello, Kate Bush, among others. ZTT appears to be helping with distribution of both projects as I purchased my copies directly from their website. Also, if you are not familiar with Andrew Poppy, do yourself a favor and check him out. Find his stuff from 20 years ago and you will simply find yourself here in 2005 looking 20 years ahead(!?) Late night milk and cookies must be kicking in... OH! Cyclone, I am still working on a package of goodies for you. I know it has taken me 6 months, but I do have a number disks that I will post out to you by the end of the month. Best regards, Louis
Re: (313) Soldier Rolando no longer with UR
Does anybody know more? Ha! I was just thinking this as well! It's funny, must just be me being super nosy, but when you get told half a story, you always wanna know the full story! Best off leaving it unsaid really, thats a mad confrontational press release he put out. I wouldn't have known any different, or wanted to know any different if he hadn't have said anything! Still, none of my business and all that. Curiousity killed the cat I heard. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
I'm not out to change the world and have techno on every radio station, but I am trying to turn people on to quality electronic music, one listener at a time. SLAP aha! the return of the virtual slap on the back : ) Keep it up Matt Dave, really appreciated here. I second JT's motion, long live the clinically inclined. I'm sure I say this every week mind, but I can truly appreciate the amount of time and effort put in. I mean, not as if you just rock up to the radio station every friday with a bunch of random records. But anyway, blah blah blah blah, big up Gerald and Dan too w/their shows... _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND 05
Okeh- So, no Movement this year. What is the word in Detroit for Memorial Day Weekend? My estimation is that for the last three years, the parties that occured during the festival weekend, were events unto themselves, No? I bet most of our best memories, experiences occured during these parties. Do you think these parties will still be going on? Should we all converge on Detroit- festival or no festival, if only to give a collective middle finger to all the naysayers. Louis
Re: (313) Soldier Rolando no longer with UR
this is some heavy sh*t! has there ever been major turmoil like this within the UR camp in the past? You mean, like when Rob Hood left the group? Or when Alan Oldham had differences? C'mon, it's DETROIT! the D stands for drama... Dense.
RE: (313) Soldier Rolando no longer with UR
They always have big bust-ups when someone wants to spread their wings and go it alone. It seems to happen without fail. But then, from what I can see, things never stay acrimonious to the extent that there's no friendly contact and even co-operation afterwards. At least this has been the case in the past. As Mike Bank has said on more than one occasion and referring to more than one former UR person, once you've been a member, you're always regarded as a part of the fold at least, family at best. We'll see in this case though. k Ken Odeluga Editor, Equities - Market Talk Dow Jones Newswires [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 February 2005 05:20 To: Gerald Cc: Rebelbass/bookings; Stoddard, Kamal; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Soldier Rolando no longer with UR this is some heavy sh*t! has there ever been major turmoil like this within the UR camp in the past? You mean, like when Rob Hood left the group? Or when Alan Oldham had differences? C'mon, it's DETROIT! the D stands for drama... Dense.
Re: (313) Soldier Rolando no longer with UR
C'mon, it's DETROIT! the D stands for drama... cripes, all these years I thought it stood for DONUT. You learn something new everyday. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) ROLANDO DRAMA
You know, I'd keep that press release drama in check. (Yeah, it kinda makes one salivate for the salacious details...) I'm sure there is a lot more to it, but, y'know, it seems UR needs to operate in this manner. We've seen it a number of times before, when a soldier blows up in such a big way, they almost have to leave the camp... and graduate from being a soldier to being an ambassador...y'know, cause they are reaching such a large variety of people. This is a very good thing, in my opinion. Did we hear less from Rob Hood, Jeff Mills or Alan Oldham? No, they went on to bigger things, matured as artists, and have converted many more people than they would have in the context of a group, and turned that many more people onto UR. Rolando will do the same. He'll always be a part of UR. The cycle continues...
(313) Some interesting articles
The Barrons: Forgotten Pioneers of Electronic Music by Susan Stone http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4486840 and read the related articles also available on this website: - Oskar Sala, Master of the First Electronic Musical Instrument - 'Moog': Inventor of First Music Synthesizer - TechnoPop: The Secret History of Technology and Pop Music - Milestones of the Millennium: The History of Recording Tom van Steen. http://www.pulsation.com
Re: (313) ROLANDO DRAMA
You know, I'd keep that press release drama in check. Oh well. I was looking forward to some drama. All we ever get is say, Dan Bell Josh Wink nicked me ideas or Jeff Mills Wanna buy any flipflops? and that type of thing. I was looking forward to the controversial statements from UR. Rolando tried to shag my bird, he had to go or he spat on me cat, I sacked him you know, things like that. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) test (please delete, and don't read!)
couldn't resist eh? tried to mail to the list twice this past week neither of my posts got through...
Re: (313) secret theo track?
that would be this release: http://www.discogs.com/release/90673 website: http://www.surveillancerecordings.com/ robin had a mix by omar hackett / Hk up on his website that featured a new track by this guy think it was called something like 'november' so chances are something new is comming out someday. jurren
Re: (313) Soldier Rolando no longer with UR
On Wednesday, February 09, 2005, at 11:05AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know more? I was just thinking this as well! It's funny, must just be me being super nosy, but when you get told half a story, you always wanna know the full story! Best off leaving it unsaid really, thats a mad confrontational press release he put out. I wouldn't have known any different, or wanted to know any different if he hadn't have said anything! Still, none of my business and all that. Curiousity killed the cat I heard. Yeah i agree... The message apparently was sent by Go Girl Managment, Rolando's management. First of all i am not trying to defend anyone here, not UR not Rolando. Like Alex said before there are always to sides of a story. I am sure that if UR would tell there part of this they would have a perfectly good reason for what is said in that e-mail. Just look at the whole 'Carl Craig vs. Carol Marvin' story, if you just heard the CC version then you would almost believe that Carol was a vampire and we should all put stick through her heart :) There is just no way you know all the things that happened unless you are directly involved in this and then you are biased becaused you alway take sides. Botomline is that in most cases like this no-one is right and everyone is wrong. KJ
Re: (313) test (please delete, and don't read!) yeah yeah you got me jurren
tried to mail to the list twice this past week neither of my posts got through... yeah, new quality filter has been added Jurren. Any posts that suck don't get through. : p (i turned the filter off, obviously) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) secret theo track?
jurren baars wrote: that would be this release: http://www.discogs.com/release/90673 website: http://www.surveillancerecordings.com/ robin had a mix by omar hackett / Hk up on his website that featured a new track by this guy think it was called something like 'november' so chances are something new is comming out someday. november sky was the track. i'm sure there are three dfas tho aren't there? DFA - the james murphy, death from above people DFA - surveillance recordings The DFA - these people: http://www.discogs.com/artist/DFA,+The+(2) i suspect november sky is the last lot i could be way off tho :) robin...
RE: (313) test (please delete, and don't read!) yeah yeah you got me jurren
yeah, new quality filter has been added Jurren. Any posts that suck don't get through. : p (i turned the filter off, obviously) and yet, with uncompromising regularity, yours come through regular as clockwork... _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) secret theo track?
robin replied: I wrote: http://www.surveillancerecordings.com/ robin had a mix by omar hackett / Hk up on his website that featured a new track by this guy think it was called something like 'november' so chances are something new is coming out someday. november sky was the track. i'm sure there are three dfas tho aren't there? DFA - the james murphy, death from above people DFA - surveillance recordings The DFA - these people: http://www.discogs.com/artist/DFA,+The+(2) i suspect november sky is the last lot according to omar it was by the dfa guy that also did 'Microstructural Characterization' he got the 'november sky' directly from him, so.. that first dfa 'Microstructural Characterization' sounded to me, a lot like detroit escalator co. when i first heard it. jurren
(313) For anyone with winamp
I got a new mix up here www.apinamix.net which I am trying out to for experimental reasons Jus click on 'people' 'techno' then 'house' and I will magically appear before your very eyes..(if you scroll down) Needless to say a bit of acid.. abit of wookie and abit of Detroit... p
Re: (313) secret theo track?
ok, the reason i suspected it was different people is that the Surveillance stuff sounded more electronic (it was a passing listen though i don't own any). the november sky track is more house/piano oriented. robin... i suspect november sky is the last lot according to omar it was by the dfa guy that also did 'Microstructural Characterization' he got the 'november sky' directly from him, so.. that first dfa 'Microstructural Characterization' sounded to me, a lot like detroit escalator co. when i first heard it. jurren
Re: (313) secret theo track?
I am 100% sure they are different people :) On Wednesday, February 09, 2005, at 12:23PM, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, the reason i suspected it was different people is that the Surveillance stuff sounded more electronic (it was a passing listen though i don't own any). the november sky track is more house/piano oriented. robin... i suspect november sky is the last lot according to omar it was by the dfa guy that also did 'Microstructural Characterization' he got the 'november sky' directly from him, so.. that first dfa 'Microstructural Characterization' sounded to me, a lot like detroit escalator co. when i first heard it. jurren kj at technotourist dot org
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
You're all far too bloody defensive. If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. As John Osselaer previously said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The set is from Switch Studios which I guess is a radio station in Brussels, --- That's national radio for ya. Studio Brussel is the youth channel of the national radio. Switch runs every Friday and Saturday, I believe from 8pm till the early morning hours. We've had quality dance shows on national radio from the early nineties on (Teknoville) ... John National radio. One more time, national radio, which means that the entire country is exposed. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I said. I NEVER slighted community radio. If you have proof of a counter-example then I'll concede. Damn... Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. And everyone who suggests well we have community radio and the internet blah blah is being disingenuous, because that is a position of RETREAT, and the englobulators will not stop and let you have community radio and internet radio all to yourselves, they HAVE to grow otherwise their share price stagnates and they can no longer raise money from the markets, so they WILL GROW into your nice little world, or close your little world down. Anyway, Matt, don't be so defensive, what you're doing is great, and you know it's appreciated, just by proof of the amount of support you get. Nothing would make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I am. Tosh -- McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/ Robert Taylor wrote: I know lots of people over in the UK who listen to the show on the net and not all of them are 'heads' - I play the show in the office/library - my colleagues who usually listen to Audioslave and U2 appreciate it and visitors to the library ask what's playing so regularly that maybe I should get a 'now playing' sign to put on the hatch! -Original Message- From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:14 AM To: 313 Cc: Tosh Cooey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me On Feb 7, 2005, at 7:35 AM, Tosh Cooey wrote: downloaded matt mcqueen's latest radio show (a counter-argument to your claim that 'this' would never happen on american radio), a fabrice lig mix, an old mixmaster morris mix -- Matt's a great guy, but he's playing for a very very very small niche in a very very very small niche market, not exactly mainstream. Somehow i missed this thread, sorry for the late reply Tosh. I appreciate the olive branch, but that attitude cracks me up. there was once a time in the US when people probably said House music was very very small niche when it was on the air here 15-20 years ago and guess what... it fired up a world phenomenon that is still a part of the dance music culture you celebrate daily. if you said that back then to the people Djing on WBMX or Hotmix 5 or whatever, yeah, they could have said why bother? -- at that time it was niche, they were playing weirdo italo disco that was already 5 years old to US radio audiences. they played disco after disco was dead. but but they made a difference instead, they mixed it up and did their own music and called it house, those radio shows fundamentally shaped the future of electronic dance music forever. It was the same way with Mojo. A lot of what he played was pop, sure, but he mixed it with a lot of local detroit techno records that people then wanted to check out, get interested in, or at least listen to religiously on his his show. These were major market commercial stations! Now, what has happened in the last 10 years with Clear Channel and the homogenization of radio programming options absolutely sucks, sure, but has only made the independent stations that much more fired up to keep doing what they're doing.it hasn't devastated the airwaves... yet We're broadcasting in chicago on friday nights, prime time 9:30pm - 12:30 am... how you define a very very small niche but to me that's a HUUUGE opportunity to turn people on. We've had calls from as far as 50 miles north of the city who can pick us up on a clear night, and last I checked we were the 3rd or 4th largest city in the US. Think of how dense the population is in chicago. Having a
(313) Movement 2005 and 2006
From our forum: http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=phpBB_14file=indexaction=viewtopictopic=7330 John
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Best news all weekdefo heading over if it happens. M On 9 Feb 2005, at 12:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From our forum: http://technotourist.org/modules.php? op=modloadname=phpBB_14file=indexaction=viewtopictopic=7330 John
Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006
Erm, I was just reading an article, and thought it was of some interest. I took this paragraph We also learned that the other main Movement organizer, Kevin Saunderson, recently met with Lucius Vasser from the mayor’s office. The question on the table is whether the city will allow Movement to charge admission — an idea that we have supported since witnessing the embarrassing spectacle of May begging for cash from the main stage at last year's festival. We were told a decision from Detroit officials is imminent. One thing the city of Detroit does not want is for Movement to take off a year and plan its next party for 2006. We are staying tuned in. Quite interesting. Seems like something may happen this year after all! Full article here: http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=7292 No idea why I take an interest, not as if I'm ever going to be able to go. Must be bored. I'm also doing ANYTHING to avoid doing ANY work whatsoever today, I'm sick of working, bored of it. Anyway. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) secret theo track?
robin had a mix by omar hackett / Hk up on his website that featured a new track by this guy think it was called something like 'november' so chances are something new is comming out someday. sorry, what website is this? btw..i have now come to understand that theo was not involved in the microstructural characterization release, but still.it does sound *alot* like him, anyone agree? ;) fab
Re: (313) secret theo track?
fab. wrote: robin had a mix by omar hackett / Hk up on his website that featured a new track by this guy think it was called something like 'november' so chances are something new is comming out someday. sorry, what website is this? emotionelectric.com we got shut down by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) for hosting DJ mixes. robin...
Re: (313) secret theo track?
we got shut down by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) for hosting DJ mixes. yeah, Robin must have been losing them millions for them to take time out to bother. sheesh. oh well. I blame Placid. and, er, Tom Cox Jnr. and that spw fellow who used to be round here as well. Oh, and Nick Hardie too. Best scapegoat in the business is Mr Hardie - wouldn't hesitate to recommend him to anyone. You should hear what I tell my bird. Oh sorry I'm late love, Nick got me really drunk. Sorry I went to that orgy, Nick dragged me down there, wouldn't take no for an answer, pretty much kidnapped me. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) secret theo track?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, and Nick Hardie too. Best scapegoat in the business is Mr Hardie - wouldn't hesitate to recommend him to anyone. You should hear what I tell my bird. Oh sorry I'm late love, Nick got me really drunk. Sorry I went to that orgy, Nick dragged me down there, wouldn't take no for an answer, pretty much kidnapped me. Thank you very much, but I hasten to add it is a business, so if people want to blame me, please contact me off list for prices. Regards Nick PS Rolando / Los Hermanos - my fault entirely
RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. Fxck yerself. I went to 5 community action meetings with 2 including members of the fcc, where there was strong opposition to say the least. I'm talking hundreds in attendance and all voices in unison. Sounds like much more than what was said about matt. But didn't make a difference. You sound like an idiot for even suggesting that the monopoly is present due to lack of action on behalf of the people. C'mon dawg, everyone in the world (especially right now) should know that decisions at that level are being bought, not simply spoken for. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. You're wrong again. When you're talking radio and exposure (which you are by the use of the word niche market) it's not the idea, it's the coverage area and the number of listeners. National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I said. Not true. What you said was, ...What's even more remarkable is that this, for so many reasons, would *never* happen on American radio these days. (which sounds to me like marginalizing community radio) I think everyone that has replied were simply addressing this statement and giving counterexamples. Knowing that you're not physically here, trying to educate you about the real state of radio today is the most positive response you could've received. Obviously you didn't take it that way. And of course you wouldn't take community and indy radio seriously, you're not listening to it. Point is, I don't have to wait till mills and garnier decide to get eclectic to hear sets like that. And that's what's really important. So instead of slagging markets that you don't patronize. Why don't you give us some insight into the state of Canadian radio, and why this type of mixing/programming is so rare to you? I'd be really interested to hear. Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. So should we also stop watching independent films and instead put pressure on the major studios to produce more leftfield movies for fear that they will eventually kill the indy market? No. I think you misjudge the position. It's not a position of retreat, it's using the weapons at your immediate disposal to fight the battle instead of asking the enemy if you can borrow his guns. Nothing would make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I am. Really? I thought he was an integral part of a decentralized force of underground disk jockeys keeping the spirit of free radio alive (with more listeners than some national radio stations cough brussels cough. Peace and chicken grease. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems ** I am exactly what I wanted to become since I was 5 years old. Since 5 year olds are not noted for mature judgement and sometimes aspire to piracy or gunfighting, this is not necessarily a sign of success. **
Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006
I've been attending festivals since they began (somewhere around '79). there has never been a festival at which admission had been charged. now assume there's no psychological adjustment--that people like me who are used to going to hart plaza for free will easily pay up. there is still a significant architectural adjustment. hart plaza was designed as an open space venue. how do you change it to prevent free riders? lks On Feb 9, 2005, at 8:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erm, I was just reading an article, and thought it was of some interest. I took this paragraph We also learned that the other main Movement organizer, Kevin Saunderson, recently met with Lucius Vasser from the mayor’s office. The question on the table is whether the city will allow Movement to charge admission — an idea that we have supported since witnessing the embarrassing spectacle of May begging for cash from the main stage at last year's festival. We were told a decision from Detroit officials is imminent. One thing the city of Detroit does not want is for Movement to take off a year and plan its next party for 2006. We are staying tuned in. Quite interesting. Seems like something may happen this year after all! Full article here: http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=7292 No idea why I take an interest, not as if I'm ever going to be able to go. Must be bored. I'm also doing ANYTHING to avoid doing ANY work whatsoever today, I'm sick of working, bored of it. Anyway. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Dr. Lester K. Spence Assistant Professor, Political Science and African Afro-American Studies Washington University Kellogg Scholar in Health Disparities 2004-2006
Re: (313) Soldier Rolando no longer with UR
Yeah, I find things like this to be very typical of Detroit... but then again... it's typical of music in general. Besides being in techno, I've been in a lot of bands over my life. If any of you have ever been in a rock and roll band, you'll know that most of them are doomed to break up eventually, over money or artistic differences most likely. Either that, or some member will go to jail, end up in a mental hospital, or commit suicide. It's the price paid for artistic personalities I think! That said, I really think that it's better to let Los Hermanos and Rolando do their thing. I'm sure they have their reasons. I think it's in poor taste to try and air everyone's dirty laundry. Especially if people are just speculating. I just don't like the whole idea of gossiping about their business. ~David -- Original Message - Subject: Re: (313) Soldier Rolando no longer with UR Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:19:30 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] this is some heavy sh*t! has there ever been major turmoil like this within the UR camp in the past? You mean, like when Rob Hood left the group? Or when Alan Oldham had differences? C'mon, it's DETROIT! the D stands for drama... Dense.
Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006
At 10:03 AM 2/9/2005, Dr. Lester K. Spence wrote: I've been attending festivals since they began (somewhere around '79). there has never been a festival at which admission had been charged. now assume there's no psychological adjustment--that people like me who are used to going to hart plaza for free will easily pay up. there is still a significant architectural adjustment. hart plaza was designed as an open space venue. how do you change it to prevent free riders? the technotourist post mentions that the festival will NOT be at hart plaza this time. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006
there is still a significant architectural adjustment. hart plaza was designed as an open space venue. how do you change it to prevent free riders? Probably something like spending a million dollars on a fence, thereby wiping out the $5 dollar admission fee in one swoop I should imagine. Knowing their luck. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
Hey Tosh, Then where does Brave New Waves fit into the picture? It runs nationally across Canada, and the Northern U.S. States can pick it up as well - right. - Original Message - From: Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tosh Cooey' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. Fxck yerself. I went to 5 community action meetings with 2 including members of the fcc, where there was strong opposition to say the least. I'm talking hundreds in attendance and all voices in unison. Sounds like much more than what was said about matt. But didn't make a difference. You sound like an idiot for even suggesting that the monopoly is present due to lack of action on behalf of the people. C'mon dawg, everyone in the world (especially right now) should know that decisions at that level are being bought, not simply spoken for. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. You're wrong again. When you're talking radio and exposure (which you are by the use of the word niche market) it's not the idea, it's the coverage area and the number of listeners. National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I said. Not true. What you said was, ...What's even more remarkable is that this, for so many reasons, would *never* happen on American radio these days. (which sounds to me like marginalizing community radio) I think everyone that has replied were simply addressing this statement and giving counterexamples. Knowing that you're not physically here, trying to educate you about the real state of radio today is the most positive response you could've received. Obviously you didn't take it that way. And of course you wouldn't take community and indy radio seriously, you're not listening to it. Point is, I don't have to wait till mills and garnier decide to get eclectic to hear sets like that. And that's what's really important. So instead of slagging markets that you don't patronize. Why don't you give us some insight into the state of Canadian radio, and why this type of mixing/programming is so rare to you? I'd be really interested to hear. Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. So should we also stop watching independent films and instead put pressure on the major studios to produce more leftfield movies for fear that they will eventually kill the indy market? No. I think you misjudge the position. It's not a position of retreat, it's using the weapons at your immediate disposal to fight the battle instead of asking the enemy if you can borrow his guns. Nothing would make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I am. Really? I thought he was an integral part of a decentralized force of underground disk jockeys keeping the spirit of free radio alive (with more listeners than some national radio stations cough brussels cough. Peace and chicken grease. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems ** I am exactly what I wanted to become since I was 5 years old. Since 5 year olds are not noted for mature judgement and sometimes aspire to piracy or gunfighting, this is not necessarily a sign of success. **
Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is still a significant architectural adjustment. hart plaza was designed as an open space venue. how do you change it to prevent free riders? Probably something like spending a million dollars on a fence, thereby wiping out the $5 dollar admission fee in one swoop I should imagine. Knowing their luck. exactly my thought on the matter. we've been through this already on the list, to charge changes the nature of the crowd. the mixture in ages and cultures of the crowd is what makes free festivals like Movement special. charging narrows that range of ages and cultures. robin...
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On 9 Feb 2005, at 15:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is still a significant architectural adjustment. hart plaza was designed as an open space venue. how do you change it to prevent free riders? Probably something like spending a million dollars on a fence, thereby That fence would be proper weapon tho, 1 million bucks worth of fence... LOL M
(313) juan / tresor
just checking the twelve the version of 'off the battle' sounds unfamiliar to me, but what this message is about - it says taken from the 2xCD 20 Years of Metroplex
Re: (313) juan / tresor
a promotional copy of Juan Atkins' new album The Berlin Sessions (Tresor.215 From this On 9 Feb 2005, at 15:49, Marsel // Nomorewords.net wrote: just checking the twelve the version of 'off the battle' sounds unfamiliar to me, but what this message is about - it says taken from the 2xCD 20 Years of Metroplex
Re: (313) juan / tresor
but what this message is about - it says taken from the 2xCD 20 Years of Metroplex I think there's deffo a comp due (has been for a year/18 months at least) thats like a juan retrospective. It's obviously a metroplex comp as opposed to a say, juan comp. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
Stoddard, Kamal wrote: If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. Fxck yerself. I went to 5 community action meetings with 2 including members of the fcc, where there was strong opposition to say the least. I'm talking -- Well hoo-fxcking-ray for you! Do you want a prize? I gave money to community radio for years, including WDET in Detroit. But I must admit I only did it for the free t-shirts in order to look cool. Do I get a prize too while we're giving them out? Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. You're wrong again. When you're talking radio and exposure (which you are by the use of the word niche market) it's not the idea, it's the coverage area and the number of listeners. -- Belgium has a population of about 9 million according to the CIA. I suspect that Belgium national radio has about the same potential market size as community radio in Chicago. So market reach is about equal. Chicago community radio relies on the community for funding. Belgium national radio relies on involuntary theft from the pockets of all Belgians, who are probably better off for it. This leads to being able to PLACE national advertisements for Belgian national radio, which leads to, I will ASSUME, a larger actual market, and hence reaching more people. How the hell you can compare taxpayer-funded national radio with community-funded community radio on a quantitative basis is beyond me. I can see comparing it on a qualitative basis; I bet communnity radio the world over is more LOVED than national radio. Not true. What you said was, ...What's even more remarkable is that this, for so many reasons, would *never* happen on American radio these days. (which sounds to me like marginalizing community radio) I think everyone that has replied were simply addressing this statement and giving counterexamples. And it's true. Garnier and Mills would *never* play on US radio which has a similar market size of Belgian national radio, and I won't even get started on those spoiled Brits with their BBC and how large *their* market is compared to any community radio in America. I think the problem here is my phrase American radio and since many of you here have, or help with, great shows, playing great music on community radio you take offense at this, but come on, you can't be so obtuse. Let me show you the absurdity of what you're saying: Tosh: Mills and Garnier would never play a gig in Zimbabwe, the people are too poor. You: Oh no they are not poor, look and Robert Mugabe, he has planes and cars and servants, the people of Zimbabwe are very well-off. Well yes, Mills and Garnier could go and play for Mugabe and friends, but don't be so nit-picky, honestly, it demeans your intellect. I don't have to wait till mills and garnier decide to get eclectic to hear sets like that. And that's what's really important. So instead of slagging -- I NEVER said it was a great set, I NEVER said anything about the set except that it happened and that I doubted it would EVER happen in the USA. The fact that you jumped on their set and criticized it speaks volumes. Damn, this was NEVER slight against Matt's efforts and everyone involved in community radio. It was a pretty obvious (to me at least) slight against the state of American radio these days, controlled as it is by two companies, but mostly just one. Perfectly defining American radio as that controlled by these companies would make my posting too academic, so I rely on people to realize that when I say American radio sucks I rely on people to know that Matt MacQueen is not included. Tosh
Re: (313) juan / tresor
a promotional copy of Juan Atkins' new album The Berlin Sessions (Tresor.215 From this thats the pacou/juan collab I think. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006
yeah, it's going to be in Windsor but you'll have to enter from the US side to gain admittance 1 million car line-up. MEK matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Dr. Lester K. Spence 02/09/05 09:04 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006 At 10:03 AM 2/9/2005, Dr. Lester K. Spence wrote: I've been attending festivals since they began (somewhere around '79). there has never been a festival at which admission had been charged. now assume there's no psychological adjustment--that people like me who are used to going to hart plaza for free will easily pay up. there is still a significant architectural adjustment. hart plaza was designed as an open space venue. how do you change it to prevent free riders? the technotourist post mentions that the festival will NOT be at hart plaza this time. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
RE: (313) juan / tresor
so two atkins involved albums coming on tresor .. special looking forward to the metroplex double cd hope it will include some unreleased mixes / tracks whatever -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 9 februari 2005 16:56 Aan: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: Re: (313) juan / tresor a promotional copy of Juan Atkins' new album The Berlin Sessions (Tresor.215 From this thats the pacou/juan collab I think.
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
those spoiled Brits with their BBC teehee, I know we're spoilt. please be aware though that every single one of us pay for the BBC though, and its not an option, the government just take it straight from our wages. Not that I'm complaining mind, the BBC is cool. And now you can get a freeview box with extra BBC channels (BBC4 has great music documentaries sometimes), and extra digital radio stations. which is great. but - yeah - anyway, we do pay for it. Thanks Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
Someone on LD was talking about hearing X-103 played on Radio 1 lunchtime radio! Alex - they don't take it from our wages but we have a tv licence that costs £121 a year - well worth it IMO. The digital radio stations BBC 6 and One Extra are excellent too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:16 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me those spoiled Brits with their BBC teehee, I know we're spoilt. please be aware though that every single one of us pay for the BBC though, and its not an option, the government just take it straight from our wages. Not that I'm complaining mind, the BBC is cool. And now you can get a freeview box with extra BBC channels (BBC4 has great music documentaries sometimes), and extra digital radio stations. which is great. but - yeah - anyway, we do pay for it. Thanks Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
I'd gladly pay that just not to have f*cking adverts every 5 minutes like on cable especially e4 -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 February 2005 16:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me Someone on LD was talking about hearing X-103 played on Radio 1 lunchtime radio! Alex - they don't take it from our wages but we have a tv licence that costs £121 a year - well worth it IMO. The digital radio stations BBC 6 and One Extra are excellent too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:16 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me those spoiled Brits with their BBC teehee, I know we're spoilt. please be aware though that every single one of us pay for the BBC though, and its not an option, the government just take it straight from our wages. Not that I'm complaining mind, the BBC is cool. And now you can get a freeview box with extra BBC channels (BBC4 has great music documentaries sometimes), and extra digital radio stations. which is great. but - yeah - anyway, we do pay for it. Thanks Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
Alex - they don't take it from our wages but we have a tv licence that costs £121 a year ah yes, sorry - of course. well worth it IMO. Yep for sure, a bargain, and, get this, I even have a tv licence. The digital radio stations BBC 6 and One Extra are excellent too. agreed - lets face it, its a pretty top quality broadcaster all round. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
Thank you John Peel! (RIP) MEK Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4.co.uk To [EMAIL PROTECTED], 02/09/05 10:19 AM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me Someone on LD was talking about hearing X-103 played on Radio 1 lunchtime radio! Alex - they don't take it from our wages but we have a tv licence that costs £121 a year - well worth it IMO. The digital radio stations BBC 6 and One Extra are excellent too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:16 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me those spoiled Brits with their BBC teehee, I know we're spoilt. please be aware though that every single one of us pay for the BBC though, and its not an option, the government just take it straight from our wages. Not that I'm complaining mind, the BBC is cool. And now you can get a freeview box with extra BBC channels (BBC4 has great music documentaries sometimes), and extra digital radio stations. which is great. but - yeah - anyway, we do pay for it. Thanks Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL]
Okay Tosh, that's like saying it's time Americans got a new president, isn't it... And a lot of Americans did try. But rules for radio and media are set by the FCC, and the tone of their decision making is typically set by the administration. This is an administration that believes that corporations are good, monopolies are not really a big deal, and any kind of government intervention in such matters amount to some kind of pinko communism. Most Americans appear to believe this. So Clear Channel is probably what a lot of Americans deserve. It's framed as free speech, God forbid the government interfere with Clear Channel's right to free speech on radio waves it bought. The USA no longer has any notion of public good, except for freeways so we can drive our SUV's. There is no counter-philosophy in existence anymore which might challenge such thinking, or if there is, nobody reads about it because you won't see it in the corporate controlled newspaper. I'm taking a class with other adults on democracy right now, and almost all people believe that democracy and capitalism are identical. Any vaguely socialist idea must have something to do with gulags. However, when given the chance we do put lots of crazy stuff on the air waves. Community based radio IS the equivelant of the national radio that European countries have, that's why you here NPR (National Public Radio) news on the exact same stations that play techno or other types of adventurous programs. Not that NPR is so great, but that's just my opinion. You just can't compare the way Europe treats media to the way America is. Americans would never pay for a national radio that broadcast music most people probably hate. Americans don't want to find ANY kind of art via government means. Just remember, America is Europe's great utopian experiment! Good work guys... ;) Hey at least we invented house and techno and jazz and rock and roll right?! ~David -- Original Message - Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:38:40 +0100 From: Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're all far too bloody defensive. If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. As John Osselaer previously said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The set is from Switch Studios which I guess is a radio station in Brussels, --- That's national radio for ya. Studio Brussel is the youth channel of the national radio. Switch runs every Friday and Saturday, I believe from 8pm till the early morning hours. We've had quality dance shows on national radio from the early nineties on (Teknoville) ... John National radio. One more time, national radio, which means that the entire country is exposed. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I said. I NEVER slighted community radio. If you have proof of a counter-example then I'll concede. Damn... Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. And everyone who suggests well we have community radio and the internet blah blah is being disingenuous, because that is a position of RETREAT, and the englobulators will not stop and let you have community radio and internet radio all to yourselves, they HAVE to grow otherwise their share price stagnates and they can no longer raise money from the markets, so they WILL GROW into your nice little world, or close your little world down. Anyway, Matt, don't be so defensive, what you're doing is great, and you know it's appreciated, just by proof of the amount of support you get. Nothing would make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I am. Tosh -- McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/ Robert Taylor wrote: I know lots of people over in the UK who listen to the show on the net and not all of them are 'heads' - I play the show in the office/library - my colleagues who usually listen to Audioslave and U2 appreciate it and visitors to the library ask what's playing so regularly that maybe I should get a 'now playing' sign to put on the hatch! -Original Message- From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:14 AM To: 313 Cc: Tosh Cooey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me On
Re: (313) drama hounding (was: Soldier Rolando no longer with UR)
On Feb 9, 2005, at 4:51 AM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: First of all i am not trying to defend anyone here, not UR not Rolando. Like Alex said before there are always to sides of a story. I am sure that if UR would tell there part of this they would have a perfectly good reason for what is said in that e-mail. snip There is just no way you know all the things that happened unless you are directly involved in this and then you are biased becaused you alway take sides. Botomline is that in most cases like this no-one is right and everyone is wrong. Totally agree.. if it was truly supposed to be an amicable parting as implied in the first post, than 313 has surely done it part to resort to amplifying any negativity. I'd say unless you're a direct party involved, why just stoke the drama? Save it for Jerry Springer, you desperados! People have reasons for everything, unless you know everything, I'd advise saying nothing. Dynamic tension fuels better art, leave it at that. -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
Re: (313) secret theo track?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we got shut down by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) for hosting DJ mixes. yeah, Robin must have been losing them millions for them to take time out to bother. sheesh. oh well. I blame Placid. and, er, Tom Cox Jnr. i blame having tracklistings to try and promote the music on the mixes. silly me. others please note. and that spw fellow who used to be round here as well. don't joke about such things...this knob has resurfaced recently on the 313techknow yahoo group. moderator please note. Oh, and Nick Hardie too. Best scapegoat in the business is Mr Hardie - wouldn't hesitate to recommend him to anyone. You should hear what I tell my bird. Oh sorry I'm late love, Nick got me really drunk. Sorry I went to that orgy, Nick dragged me down there, wouldn't take no for an answer, pretty much kidnapped me. when the BPI got in touch i blamed nick as well. :) robin...
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But rules for radio and media are set by the FCC, and the tone of their decision making is typically set by the administration. This is an administration that believes that corporations are good, monopolies are not really a big deal, and any kind of government intervention in such matters amount to some kind of pinko communism. -- I definately don't want to defend the current administration, but actually ClearChannel hasn't become what it is ONLY in the last five years. Hey at least we invented house and techno and jazz and rock and roll right?! Now this is something that bugs me. Some Europeans will often say America has no culture. But what do Europeans watch on TeeVee, at the movies, the music they listen to, much of modern minimalist art, AOL, etc. etc. etc. I always have to correct them by saying that actually America doesn't have a lot of *traditions* or *history*, relatively, but they export culture like nobody ever has. Fxcking ponces. Tosh
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL]
You just can't compare the way Europe treats media to the way America is. Americans would never pay for a national radio that broadcast music most people probably hate. Americans don't want to find ANY kind of art via government means. America is quite hostile to artists and the arts in general. The general US public doesn't trust intelligent people (or those they perceive to be more intelligent than themselves). Europe is very different and maybe the polar opposite. Might be one of the reasons techno is so popular in Europe. MEK
RE: (313) secret theo track?
From: robin when the BPI got in touch i blamed nick as well. Funny that, cause the BPI got in touch with me and blamed me for the site
(313) Europe (was RE: (313) Radio Fries...)
-Original Message- From: Tosh Cooey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 February 2005 17:23 Now this is something that bugs me. Some Europeans will often say America has no culture. I don't think you'll find any Europeans on this list who would often say that, this being a mailing list about music that sprang from a city in America. There probably isn't much ground for that sort of Europe vs USA debate here. It's certainly the case that mainstream media in America is far more commercially-oriented than it is culturally-oriented, but that's becoming the case in Europe as well as the media here becomes more - well - Americanised... Brendan
Re: (313) secret theo track?
really?!?!? Steve P Watts is back? Oh bless... how can I subscribe to the techknow list? MEK robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ctric.com To [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/09/05 11:20 AM cc 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) secret theo track? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we got shut down by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) for hosting DJ mixes. yeah, Robin must have been losing them millions for them to take time out to bother. sheesh. oh well. I blame Placid. and, er, Tom Cox Jnr. i blame having tracklistings to try and promote the music on the mixes. silly me. others please note. and that spw fellow who used to be round here as well. don't joke about such things...this knob has resurfaced recently on the 313techknow yahoo group. moderator please note. Oh, and Nick Hardie too. Best scapegoat in the business is Mr Hardie - wouldn't hesitate to recommend him to anyone. You should hear what I tell my bird. Oh sorry I'm late love, Nick got me really drunk. Sorry I went to that orgy, Nick dragged me down there, wouldn't take no for an answer, pretty much kidnapped me. when the BPI got in touch i blamed nick as well. :) robin...
Re: (313) drama hounding (was: Soldier Rolando no longer with UR)
Totally agree.. if it was truly supposed to be an amicable parting as implied in the first post, than 313 has surely done it part to resort to amplifying any negativity. I'd say unless you're a direct party involved, why just stoke the drama? Save it for Jerry Springer, you desperados! People have reasons for everything, unless you know everything, I'd advise saying nothing. Dynamic tension fuels better art, leave it at that. -- MM http://sonicsunset.com yeah, but people will always talk about this stuff, partly because it makes them feel as if they are part of it. Gossiping about Rolando is the next best thing to actually knowing him, despite the obvious negative consequences for those actually involved in the situation.
RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL]
I don't think any Europeans have said there is no culture in the US anyhow. Both Europeans and American enjoy a symbiotic relationship in this respect - a cultural cross-pollination where ideas and innovation flow here and there - someone in America innovates in an art form, sends it over to Europe, they f*** with it and send it back, and so on and so forth. Let's not get into a willy-waving contest about 'who's the most cultured' -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL] You just can't compare the way Europe treats media to the way America is. Americans would never pay for a national radio that broadcast music most people probably hate. Americans don't want to find ANY kind of art via government means. America is quite hostile to artists and the arts in general. The general US public doesn't trust intelligent people (or those they perceive to be more intelligent than themselves). Europe is very different and maybe the polar opposite. Might be one of the reasons techno is so popular in Europe. MEK # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) secret theo track?
He's made a fool of himself on No Future too :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:30 PM To: robin Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) secret theo track? really?!?!? Steve P Watts is back? Oh bless... how can I subscribe to the techknow list? MEK robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ctric.com To [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/09/05 11:20 AM cc 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) secret theo track? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we got shut down by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) for hosting DJ mixes. yeah, Robin must have been losing them millions for them to take time out to bother. sheesh. oh well. I blame Placid. and, er, Tom Cox Jnr. i blame having tracklistings to try and promote the music on the mixes. silly me. others please note. and that spw fellow who used to be round here as well. don't joke about such things...this knob has resurfaced recently on the 313techknow yahoo group. moderator please note. Oh, and Nick Hardie too. Best scapegoat in the business is Mr Hardie - wouldn't hesitate to recommend him to anyone. You should hear what I tell my bird. Oh sorry I'm late love, Nick got me really drunk. Sorry I went to that orgy, Nick dragged me down there, wouldn't take no for an answer, pretty much kidnapped me. when the BPI got in touch i blamed nick as well. :) robin... # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) secret theo track?
At 12:30 PM 2/9/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how can I subscribe to the techknow list? http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/313techknow should have instructions. And maybe someone will be able to answer my question about the pluggo feedback network. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006
I interpreted that as if there were a party that replaced this year's festival, the _party_ wouldn't be in Hart Plaza. It's encouraging news they got the support of the city. Fingers crossed it will work out. Fences suck, imho, keep people out as much as they keep them in. Would need more security to keep people from climbing over ... and then you got the issue of managing the 'paying customers' going in and out ... sounds like a nightmare for a Movement-sized crowd. Hope it doesn't come to this. Lisa matt kane's brain wrote: At 10:03 AM 2/9/2005, Dr. Lester K. Spence wrote: I've been attending festivals since they began (somewhere around '79). there has never been a festival at which admission had been charged. now assume there's no psychological adjustment--that people like me who are used to going to hart plaza for free will easily pay up. there is still a significant architectural adjustment. hart plaza was designed as an open space venue. how do you change it to prevent free riders? the technotourist post mentions that the festival will NOT be at hart plaza this time. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
(313) Thomas Fehlmann Gundrun Gut in NYC this Friday
Friday February 11 ***THE BUNKER*** UPSTAIRS MIDNIGHT: Thomas Fehlmann (Plug Research, The Orb, Kompakt | Berlin) live Gudrun Gut (Monika Enterprise | Berlin) Thomas Fehlmann has been making electronic music since 1980, and is perhaps most well known as a member of The Orb. Lately, he has been releasing some amazing techno tracks on Kompakt. He also just released a full length on Plug Research called Lowflow, and tonight's live set will consist mostly of tracks from that album. Gudrun Gut is the owner of both the Moabit and Monika Enterprise record labels. She is also the founder of the highly respected Oceanclub collective in Berlin. She's been in several influential bands, including Mania D, Malaria, Matador, and even had a short stint in the earliest incarnation of Einstürzende Neubauten. plus Resident DJ: kleverVice, Spinoza, Movement visuals: Giles Hendrix, Chris Jordan Fridays at Tonic 107 Norfolk Street (212)358-7501 $5, 21+, 12mid-4am more info, upcoming guests, heavy rotation - http://www.klever.org/thebunkernyc
Re: (313) Propaganda
Pity the new Lisa Stansfield album on ZTT by Trevor is so awful! ;) For a while, almost anything ZTT dropped was all the rage. Propaganda had more staying power than the bulk of it, although some of those Art of Noise tracks are still just unbelievable. jeff
(313) Jeff Mills - 3 Ages (The Roman Age : Part 2)
i made long samples for you guys http://www.wattsmusic.com item # 196381 (put that number in the search feild) must have real audio. discuss enjoy! derek.
Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006
Not really? The worry with that is going back and forward would create drama with customs for foreign visitors now that everyone, ally or not, is a suspect terrorist. There are additional complications for media visas and music visas too I would guess. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 3:09 AM yeah, it's going to be in Windsor but you'll have to enter from the US side to gain admittance 1 million car line-up. MEK matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Dr. Lester K. Spence 02/09/05 09:04 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006 At 10:03 AM 2/9/2005, Dr. Lester K. Spence wrote: I've been attending festivals since they began (somewhere around '79). there has never been a festival at which admission had been charged. now assume there's no psychological adjustment--that people like me who are used to going to hart plaza for free will easily pay up. there is still a significant architectural adjustment. hart plaza was designed as an open space venue. how do you change it to prevent free riders? the technotourist post mentions that the festival will NOT be at hart plaza this time. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006
At 03:01 PM 2/9/2005, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Not really? The worry with that is going back and forward would create drama with customs for foreign visitors now that everyone, ally or not, is a suspect terrorist. There are additional complications for media visas and music visas too I would guess. i think MEK may have been taking the piss on that one ;) -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006
wha? me? no matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Cyclone Wehner 02/09/05 02:01 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006 At 03:01 PM 2/9/2005, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Not really? The worry with that is going back and forward would create drama with customs for foreign visitors now that everyone, ally or not, is a suspect terrorist. There are additional complications for media visas and music visas too I would guess. i think MEK may have been taking the piss on that one ;) -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
Re: (313) Movement 2005 and 2006
Good thing! Mind, I don't see me coming this year, I have mountains of debt! I can barely leave the house, let alone the country. ;( At 03:01 PM 2/9/2005, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Not really? The worry with that is going back and forward would create drama with customs for foreign visitors now that everyone, ally or not, is a suspect terrorist. There are additional complications for media visas and music visas too I would guess. i think MEK may have been taking the piss on that one ;) -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
(313) Vangelis Alexander OST
I got this, and it isn't at all electronic, as I was lead to believe. More of a traditional score but v evocative. I still haven't seen the film yet but I am determined to go easy on it after reading an interview with Oliver Stone castigating himself for it. The film has done quite well in Aus. It can't be as bad as Troy (though, ahem, Melbourne's own Eric Bana as Hector redeemed even that). I have to thank Matt for recommending the Peter Gabriel The Last Temptation Of Christ OST, that is a wonderful recording! BTW what do people here make of things like the Soulwx/2 Many DJs phenom? Some of the Detroit purists here hate on 'em, I don't know why, and I like the idea of mixing up genres. I have been playing the How To Kill The DJ, Part II, on Tigerbeat and really enjoyed it. There is some Basic Channel, Carl Craig, but you also get The Cramps, The Stranglers and something bizarre and cool like the Langley School Project's rendition of Good Vibrations. The second disk is very cruisy and starts with the Mulholland Drive Theme by Angelo Badalamenti! I can't believe someone else picked that but it is beautiful and very D May. For soundtracks I can't beat the second Hans Zimmer/Lisa Gerrard (also from Aus) Gladiator II OST with vocal excerpts from the film. There's a track with dialogue with Joaquin Phoenix's Caesar challenging Maximus which is kinda cool. They added an awful trance mix of the theme! Why do they do that?
(313) Re: Movement 2005 and 2006
We got broke. ;) I could go to the Uk twice for what it costs to get to the D. -- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Movement 2005 and 2006 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 7:20 AM On Feb 9, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Good thing! Mind, I don't see me coming this year, I have mountains of debt! I can barely leave the house, let alone the country. ;( To bad :( John isn't going to this year. Damn what happened to all the old school technotourists :D
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. So should we also stop watching independent films and instead put pressure on the major studios to produce more leftfield movies for fear that they will eventually kill the indy market? No. I think you misjudge the position. It's not a position of retreat, it's using the weapons at your immediate disposal to fight the battle instead of asking the enemy if you can borrow his guns. Yes, thank you. I really can't add much else to Kamal's words here... they articulated my feeling better than I probably could have. I guess Tosh maybe a tone I perceived set me off to a kneejerk reaction, but I'm so TIRED of of people telling me over the years it's just a tiny tiny niche, why bother in the US, etc, marginalizing the effect, all US radio is dead/worthless, etc. That's B.S. If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that... I'd be, uh, ordering lots more records. It's not a lost cause NOR is the solution is a singleminded coup (or outlaw) of ClearChannel. Personally I prefer to soak whoever will listen with music, over faxing the government protest letters and trying to prevent them.. god knows there are small armies of lawyers and politicians already trying to do just that.. and I bet those attorneys can't pack a crate or DJ for sh!t either... ha. But more power to them, there's no single silver bullet, there are dozens of good forward-thinking electronic music programs in the US.. check Beats in Space on WNYU, Crush Collision on WCBN, Small Change on WFMU, and as you mentioned Liz Copeland on WDET, etc.) Hell in Chicago there are probably at least 4 or 5 other shows I can think of that are pushing their own forms of future funk, deep house, techno, or whatever you want to call it... point is there ARE alternatives, and they're not pissing in the wind, many have powerful transmitters and prime airtime. ClearChannel is emerging as a bigger target than Micro$oft for anti-trust legislation, it's just that with the current administration in office, they are sitting well protected ...for now? For ever? But my personal position is do what you can with with you got on the air, it's (ok, I can't resist the UR-ism) a form of sonic warfare. The question is where are you most equipped to fight, and with what tools are you most effective? What inspires you? Does fighting corporations inspire you? Knock yourself out, I'd prefer to Rock the Discotheque, in your car, living room or via podcast. this is radio clash using aural ammunition this is radio clash can we get that world to listen? this is radio clash on pirate satellite orbiting your living room, cashing in the bill of rights. this is radio clash on pirate satellite this is radio clash -- everybody hold on tight!! PS -- Brave New Waves is pretty legendary, now sure there isn't massive population density up there, but who cares, they have like, what, 4 hours, EVERY WEEKNIGHT? That's a stunning amount of airtime, even if it's late night... music for interiors. It's hitting people upside their heads with indie labels. There are lots of formats and labels that would kill to have that kind of exposure... they must get promos by the truckload too. I have caught some of their interviews archived online too, they bring a depth to it a typical mixshow doesn't by having that much time to stretch it out. peace -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
Here, here - Matt remind me to get you lots of cold hops soup when we are over in May for a Niche event in the D ;) M this is radio clash using aural ammunition this is radio clash can we get that world to listen? this is radio clash on pirate satellite orbiting your living room, cashing in the bill of rights. this is radio clash on pirate satellite this is radio clash -- everybody hold on tight!!
Re: (313) Propaganda
Hmmm, yes. The Tatu stuff was okay I bought Lisa's at HMV for a small fortune on import (mind, I used a 10 percent off voucher from Cosmo, ahem) and was really disappointed. I like some of her music. I should have guessed it would be v MOR after Seal's last... Better is the dark Alison Moyet album Anne Dudley produced. Again very grown up but good torch song stuff, with covers of Cry Me A River and Windmills Of My Mind. Dudley produced the score for the new Kevin Reynolds/Ridley Scott film Tristan Isolde which has been delayed apparently. I am hanging for this film - and OST - but maybe after the King Arthur disappointment they are worried about releasing another Celtic epic. Yeah, I would say ZTT is a very different label than it was 20 years ago. I think they have grown into a nice, repectable adult contemporary niche...(euuw..songs you'll hear at weddings and such...) louis -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 9, 2005 11:41 AM To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Propaganda Pity the new Lisa Stansfield album on ZTT by Trevor is so awful! ;) For a while, almost anything ZTT dropped was all the rage. Propaganda had more staying power than the bulk of it, although some of those Art of Noise tracks are still just unbelievable. jeff
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
Sorry I haven't followed all the details of this thread but I can speak from personal experience of meeting him and say that Matt has a solid knowledge of music that covers such a wide breadth it leaves me pretty breathless- his enthusiasm for the subject and willingness to actually get up and DO something to further other people's enjoyment and education also carries a lot of weight in my book- as anyone who's ever played excellent music in front of 20 people all night will know, its not about quantity, its all about the quality and Matt and Dave are ALL about the quality -I'm not saying you play to 20 people every week before I get an ear bashing Matt :) Jason On 9 Feb 2005, at 22:00, Matt MacQueen wrote: I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. So should we also stop watching independent films and instead put pressure on the major studios to produce more leftfield movies for fear that they will eventually kill the indy market? No. I think you misjudge the position. It's not a position of retreat, it's using the weapons at your immediate disposal to fight the battle instead of asking the enemy if you can borrow his guns. Yes, thank you. I really can't add much else to Kamal's words here... they articulated my feeling better than I probably could have. I guess Tosh maybe a tone I perceived set me off to a kneejerk reaction, but I'm so TIRED of of people telling me over the years it's just a tiny tiny niche, why bother in the US, etc, marginalizing the effect, all US radio is dead/worthless, etc. That's B.S. If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that... I'd be, uh, ordering lots more records. It's not a lost cause NOR is the solution is a singleminded coup (or outlaw) of ClearChannel. Personally I prefer to soak whoever will listen with music, over faxing the government protest letters and trying to prevent them.. god knows there are small armies of lawyers and politicians already trying to do just that.. and I bet those attorneys can't pack a crate or DJ for sh!t either... ha. But more power to them, there's no single silver bullet, there are dozens of good forward-thinking electronic music programs in the US.. check Beats in Space on WNYU, Crush Collision on WCBN, Small Change on WFMU, and as you mentioned Liz Copeland on WDET, etc.) Hell in Chicago there are probably at least 4 or 5 other shows I can think of that are pushing their own forms of future funk, deep house, techno, or whatever you want to call it... point is there ARE alternatives, and they're not pissing in the wind, many have powerful transmitters and prime airtime. ClearChannel is emerging as a bigger target than Micro$oft for anti-trust legislation, it's just that with the current administration in office, they are sitting well protected ...for now? For ever? But my personal position is do what you can with with you got on the air, it's (ok, I can't resist the UR-ism) a form of sonic warfare. The question is where are you most equipped to fight, and with what tools are you most effective? What inspires you? Does fighting corporations inspire you? Knock yourself out, I'd prefer to Rock the Discotheque, in your car, living room or via podcast. this is radio clash using aural ammunition this is radio clash can we get that world to listen? this is radio clash on pirate satellite orbiting your living room, cashing in the bill of rights. this is radio clash on pirate satellite this is radio clash -- everybody hold on tight!! PS -- Brave New Waves is pretty legendary, now sure there isn't massive population density up there, but who cares, they have like, what, 4 hours, EVERY WEEKNIGHT? That's a stunning amount of airtime, even if it's late night... music for interiors. It's hitting people upside their heads with indie labels. There are lots of formats and labels that would kill to have that kind of exposure... they must get promos by the truckload too. I have caught some of their interviews archived online too, they bring a depth to it a typical mixshow doesn't by having that much time to stretch it out. peace -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL]
hi Europe treats media to the way America is. Americans would never pay for a national radio that broadcast music most people probably hate. Americans don't want to find ANY kind of art via government means. I'm not sure publicly funded broadcasts would get off the ground if they were being launched NOW, it's just a case that most people have grown up with them and accept them (in many cases as a neccessary evil they can't avoid like Income Taxes) Just remember, America is Europe's great utopian experiment! Good work guys... ;) eh...thanks Jason
Re: (313) drama hounding (was: Soldier Rolando no longer with UR)
I have discussed to post the pressrelease form gogirl on this list with rolando's girlfriend after a long conversation with her on the phone. about jerry springer and desperado's: say i am partly involved regarding this issue. thnx peace a On Feb 9, 2005, at 4:51 AM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: First of all i am not trying to defend anyone here, not UR not Rolando. Like Alex said before there are always to sides of a story. I am sure that if UR would tell there part of this they would have a perfectly good reason for what is said in that e-mail. snip There is just no way you know all the things that happened unless you are directly involved in this and then you are biased becaused you alway take sides. Botomline is that in most cases like this no-one is right and everyone is wrong. Totally agree.. if it was truly supposed to be an amicable parting as implied in the first post, than 313 has surely done it part to resort to amplifying any negativity. I'd say unless you're a direct party involved, why just stoke the drama? Save it for Jerry Springer, you desperados! People have reasons for everything, unless you know everything, I'd advise saying nothing. Dynamic tension fuels better art, leave it at that. -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
RE: (313) juan / tresor
And there's this as well... CYBOTRON - Motor City Machine Music: An Exploration Of Cybotron http://www.juno.co.uk/products/167398-01.htm On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 17:13 +0100, Marsel // Nomorewords.net wrote: so two atkins involved albums coming on tresor .. special looking forward to the metroplex double cd hope it will include some unreleased mixes / tracks whatever -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 9 februari 2005 16:56 Aan: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: Re: (313) juan / tresor a promotional copy of Juan Atkins' new album The Berlin Sessions (Tresor.215 From this thats the pacou/juan collab I think.
Re: (313) secret theo track?
On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 11:30 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: really?!?!? Steve P Watts is back? Oh bless... Oh, come join in the fun. Here's a quote from one of his last emails: But man you 313 hyperreal people still on the soul or retro early 80's Mojo would have played this retro sounding cut and it's now 2005 no longer 1998. Early 90's UK progressive house is more inspiring to me these days than that played out crap. I rather listen to DJ Digit and EFX, Sasha, Justin Robertson that more quirky goon 313 circus music trying to force soul.
(313) Argentina club scene
anyone know anything about it - Buenos Aires in particular? I've heard that they're still recovering from the nightclub fire in December - anyone have any details? I've got a co-worker who is going in March with his girlfriend and he wants to see the what's happening. MEK
Re: (313) Optimo (was: Vangelis Alexander OST)
seconded! that optimo - how to kill the dj part2 you're mentioned is absolutely brilliant! i'd say it's already part of the classic mixes league, that is still head by coldcut's journey by djs mix cd... btw: there's a series of 10 downloadable mixes exclusive to the Optimo website. Each mix will be available for 4 weeks. Check the goodies section. The actual winter camp mix features this: vince montana jr - goody goody (jd twitch re edit) artist unknown - rock me (jd twitch re edit) tata vega - set me free (jd twitch re edit) rose royce - is it love you're after? (jd twitch re edit) miroslav vitous - new york city (jd twitch re edit) kid creole and the coconuts - me no pop i (loops) ray davies - pulsator (jd twitch re edit) lipps inc. loop cerrone - supernature vince montana jr percussion loop / martin circus loop / c'hantal vocal sample andrea true connection - more more more c. Cyclone Wehner wrote: I got this, and it isn't at all electronic, as I was lead to believe. More of a traditional score but v evocative. I still haven't seen the film yet but I am determined to go easy on it after reading an interview with Oliver Stone castigating himself for it. The film has done quite well in Aus. It can't be as bad as Troy (though, ahem, Melbourne's own Eric Bana as Hector redeemed even that). I have to thank Matt for recommending the Peter Gabriel The Last Temptation Of Christ OST, that is a wonderful recording! BTW what do people here make of things like the Soulwx/2 Many DJs phenom? Some of the Detroit purists here hate on 'em, I don't know why, and I like the idea of mixing up genres. I have been playing the How To Kill The DJ, Part II, on Tigerbeat and really enjoyed it. There is some Basic Channel, Carl Craig, but you also get The Cramps, The Stranglers and something bizarre and cool like the Langley School Project's rendition of Good Vibrations. The second disk is very cruisy and starts with the Mulholland Drive Theme by Angelo Badalamenti! I can't believe someone else picked that but it is beautiful and very D May. For soundtracks I can't beat the second Hans Zimmer/Lisa Gerrard (also from Aus) Gladiator II OST with vocal excerpts from the film. There's a track with dialogue with Joaquin Phoenix's Caesar challenging Maximus which is kinda cool. They added an awful trance mix of the theme! Why do they do that? --- avast! Antivirus: Eingehende Nachricht sauber. Virus-Datenbank (VPS): 0506-0, 08.02.2005 Getestet um: 09.02.2005 23:47:41 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
