Re: (313) Arnold und Ayro in SF + KonoNo #1
Just to set the record straight, it's Konono #1. Sorry for the i-live-really-far-from-Africa misspelling. -d
(313) hawtin interview
Let the transitions media blitz begin! In this chronicle of Mr. ubercoolische-minimal-in-that-hegelian-way (dont know how to do the umlaut in ascii sorry) we learn that: 1. Hawtpants hangs out with superstar trance djs! Hey, I would too! I mean, c'mon their groupies are way hotter 2. He is seemingingly unaware of Farley's Foot, Frankie's 909 or the myriad of other djs throughout dance music that have used drum machines in their sets before him and Mills 3. He considers himself a pioneer landing on the new world much like Columbus when he slaughtered a continent of people in the name of gold and christianity. 4. He obviously hasn't checked out Konono #1 or he'd know this minimal stuff is old hack! ok, no hate mail or long winded retorts please. all in good fun! http://www.clubplanet.com/news/archive/richie_hawtin_interview.asp
Re: (313) Re: In-Sync (was Frank De Wulf)
it's surprising to hear that Peacefrog and/or Joe Lewis is releasing another artists work and not giving any credit to the original producers. it would seem that if you look into the true history of the Chicago music biz, that it is something that has been going on for along timepeople stealing/borrowing other people's tracks or whatever you wanna call it.and the labels usally dont care cause all they want to do is get the music out, or with some labels they just want the money/record sales. i know i have gone/going through this recently with a head from Chicago. at least the label im dealing with is proper and taking care of business correct since they found out the truth. but i also know some labels dont really go out of there way to corret the problems of stolen tracks cause they usally have to come out of the pocket for re-press's, money, ect.and alot of people dont even care who did what unless its a major/high profile artist involved, cause they know nothing really will happen. and on the rare occasion that the artist does get it taken care of. no one will remember the original artist anyhow...just the guy who stole the track and the label its on.. wack if u ask me... michael www,renegaderhythms.com
Re: (313) Frank De Wulf
Hahaha, funny, we (the company I work for) are just finishing the new website of Frank's company. It's a small world. Actually, his company is less than a mile from ours. I also got the impression that Frank isn't really into the music anymore so I'm a bit surprised by these messages of him playing out. But it's great to hear of course. I'll ask what his plans on this front are next time I speak to him. John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: De Block, Mario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: maandag, november 7, 2005 06:12 PM Aan: 'Stewart Caig' CC: '313' Onderwerp: Re: (313) Frank De Wulf he's still running his quite large video production company, involved with productions even in America he said on a radio interview last friday, but as i asked him where he'll play further on, he said he just plays three or four times a year. it's just that people having him invited to play at Amsterdam and Frabic recently, and seeing people really enjoyed so much, that he felt reassured to do a mix set around where the idea of a Party is still in sync with his. Umm.. did I say in-sync? Their 'Storm' passed by in his saturday night set. What a track! M Stewart Caig schreef: I spoke to him about 4 years ago now and he was running a video production company and had no plans to get back into making or playing electronic music so its good to hear hes out and about again. Is he actually putting any new stuff out, would be interesting to hear what hes doing these days because his late 80s/early 90s stuff was pretty legendary. - Original Message - From: De Block, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: (313) Frank De Wulf hi guys just if you're having a chance to see him, like next month in Leeds (don't know where his guest appearance will be), or any other rare set he'll do later on: Frank De Wulf is still sooh great! He played at Brussels airport last weekend and was as sharp as you expect a true legend to be not to be missed ! M
Re: (313) Frank De Wulf
this is a set of his if you're interested. the live set he played saturady was sharper but this one will do either ;) http://www.fmbrussel.be/opnames/vrij_osfm2.mp3 Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: Hahaha, funny, we (the company I work for) are just finishing the new website of Frank's company. It's a small world. Actually, his company is less than a mile from ours. I also got the impression that Frank isn't really into the music anymore so I'm a bit surprised by these messages of him playing out. But it's great to hear of course. I'll ask what his plans on this front are next time I speak to him. John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: De Block, Mario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: maandag, november 7, 2005 06:12 PM Aan: 'Stewart Caig' CC: '313' Onderwerp: Re: (313) Frank De Wulf he's still running his quite large video production company, involved with productions even in America he said on a radio interview last friday, but as i asked him where he'll play further on, he said he just plays three or four times a year. it's just that people having him invited to play at Amsterdam and Frabic recently, and seeing people really enjoyed so much, that he felt reassured to do a mix set around where the idea of a Party is still in sync with his. Umm.. did I say in-sync? Their 'Storm' passed by in his saturday night set. What a track! M Stewart Caig schreef: I spoke to him about 4 years ago now and he was running a video production company and had no plans to get back into making or playing electronic music so its good to hear hes out and about again. Is he actually putting any new stuff out, would be interesting to hear what hes doing these days because his late 80s/early 90s stuff was pretty legendary. - Original Message - From: De Block, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: (313) Frank De Wulf hi guys just if you're having a chance to see him, like next month in Leeds (don't know where his guest appearance will be), or any other rare set he'll do later on: Frank De Wulf is still sooh great! He played at Brussels airport last weekend and was as sharp as you expect a true legend to be not to be missed ! M
(313) new nuwaveradio shows
check here, not everyone's bag but I know some of you like: http://www.nuwaveradio.co.uk/ shifty(one half of yotoko), marc mac, somatik etc _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) New York
Thanks to everyone for all the New York advice. I really appreciate it. Now is there anything happening club-wise on 25th or 26th of November in NYC? robin... Matt Kane's Brain wrote: i think vinyl market is still open. 241 E 10th St i've also heard good things about this place: http://www.halcyonline.com/ On Nov 7, 2005, at 9:34, robin wrote: Hi all, I will find myself in New York at the end of November. Can anyone recommend a good area of the city to stay in? (or even better a good reasonably priced hotel :) ). Also any good record shops I should be wasting money in? thanks! robin... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) new nuwaveradio shows
so, i guess the new term for broken beat which i've noticed as being the dominant term since i first heard of the 'west london' sound is suppose to be nuwave?! and what about all the latest post punk, no wave, etc. stuff - isn't this term nuwave just a bit too close to that. all the metrosexual fashionistas might get into a bit of a snit when they go looking for the latest Tiga/DFA/etc. and find all these jazzy, hip hop, DB inspired grooves instead. sometimes i have a tough time keeping up with all these genre names you know... n.p. Bruk Mix Vol 3 - DJ Dialect :) G - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 4:26 AM Subject: (313) new nuwaveradio shows check here, not everyone's bag but I know some of you like: http://www.nuwaveradio.co.uk/ shifty(one half of yotoko), marc mac, somatik etc _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) MR P. L. ACID
would Mr P. L. Acid contact me privately please, I have your test results. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) new nuwaveradio shows
nah, dont panic gerald, that nuwave radio has been going for years (5?), so the kids never got on it. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) when in rome...
when in rome, on THURSDAY night you should go to GOA for Ultrabeat night: resident dj is Claudio Coccoluto, and you'll catch guest like Steve Bug, Booka Shade, MANDY, Troy Pierce ecc ecc...don't miss it if you love some loop that goes on for 4 hours and hardly changes ;) http://www.houseinmotion.it/ (probably they'll do some party on NYE too) to eat, have fun in Trattoria da Augusto (also called Augustariello in Trastevere. sleeping is not so cheap ps: beware of craazy traffic :) bye, Emiliano - Original Message - From: jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: (313) when in rome... ... where to stay? ... what to do? i'm going to visit rome for the first time from december 30 to january 6. anyone know of good (not too expensive) hotels, nice restaurants, recordstores, etc.? i would also love to know of any events NYE worth visiting while i'm there. not necessarily techno, preferably more house/hiphop/soul as i'm going with my girl who prefers to hear different musical styles rather than some loop that goes on for 4 hours and hardly changes (her words). jurren
(313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
Michael Elliott-Knight wrote: 10 years later (2005) Peacefrog Records in the UK inadvertently released a further batch of tracks from the DAT on a 12 entitled He's Back and an album entitled The Return Of Joe Lewis, which was released on both vinyl and CD. How do you inadvertently release a bunch of tracks? That sounds like BS to me. Either that or someone seriously f'cked up. Anybody know what Lee Purkis is up to these days? I bought a bunch of In-sync records directly from Lee a while back (via eBay). I asked if he had anything new and he said he did but he was waiting for the right time. MEK *** I guess some of you have already seen the discogs entry on the eponymously named LP which sparked all that controversy. I dunno, the plot thickens maybe... http://www.discogs.com/release/482148 In any case, Peacefrog being totally unaware becomes a more and more implausible possibility, to my mind. Ken
Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
In any case, Peacefrog being totally unaware becomes a more and more implausible possibility, to my mind. hmm. I dunno Ken. If someone comes to you with a cd/tape full of music that they want to release, would you question it? I know I wouldn't. How would you go about asking anyway? pretty awkward situation really. I think, as most people would, the thought that it wasn't even their music just wouldn't really enter in your head. or it wouldn't mine anyway. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) when in rome...
ps: if you're into fashion, for some real designer nice clothes go there http://www.deglieffetti.com/main.html the prices? monstruous... Restaurant #2: il Cantuccio in front of Senato (mid-high prices) food tips: avoid bars restaurant full of tourist. Overpriced and undertasted :) - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:36 AM Subject: Re: (313) when in rome... Oooh you're lucky, that's one of the loveliest cities in the world. There is a dinky jazz-cum-classical record shop (mostly CDs) opposite the Pantheon, like 10 minutes on one side. (The side of the Minerva church) Food is cheap in all the cafes, I got by on pizza and icecream, go to the cafes in Piazza Navona and your girl can check out the vintage clothese shopping. If you go to the Vatican, go v early in the am as the queues take up to 2 hours and it closes early. If you go to the Forum, make sure you go up to the Palatine as well. It's the most beautiful place in the world. ... where to stay? ... what to do? i'm going to visit rome for the first time from december 30 to january 6. anyone know of good (not too expensive) hotels, nice restaurants, recordstores, etc.? i would also love to know of any events NYE worth visiting while i'm there. not necessarily techno, preferably more house/hiphop/soul as i'm going with my girl who prefers to hear different musical styles rather than some loop that goes on for 4 hours and hardly changes (her words). jurren
Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
I think it's common practice for artist contracts to include a clause in which they state that the material submitted is theirs only. I understand that Peacefrog include such a clause in their contracts. Having spoken to them about this, I think that they acted in good faith. Any legal action would therefore be between Joe Louis and the creators of those tracks. On 8 Nov 2005, at 14:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In any case, Peacefrog being totally unaware becomes a more and more implausible possibility, to my mind. hmm. I dunno Ken. If someone comes to you with a cd/tape full of music that they want to release, would you question it? I know I wouldn't. How would you go about asking anyway? pretty awkward situation really. I think, as most people would, the thought that it wasn't even their music just wouldn't really enter in your head. or it wouldn't mine anyway. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
is this a new release or are we still harping on about the old peacefrog lp from earlier this year.. p Dan Bean wrote: I think it's common practice for artist contracts to include a clause in which they state that the material submitted is theirs only. I understand that Peacefrog include such a clause in their contracts. Having spoken to them about this, I think that they acted in good faith. Any legal action would therefore be between Joe Louis and the creators of those tracks. On 8 Nov 2005, at 14:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In any case, Peacefrog being totally unaware becomes a more and more implausible possibility, to my mind. hmm. I dunno Ken. If someone comes to you with a cd/tape full of music that they want to release, would you question it? I know I wouldn't. How would you go about asking anyway? pretty awkward situation really. I think, as most people would, the thought that it wasn't even their music just wouldn't really enter in your head. or it wouldn't mine anyway. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
is this a new release or are we still harping on about the old peacefrog lp from earlier this year.. still harping on. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
still harping on. _ - End of message text And on! The way I see it Alex (and Dan) according to the discogs entry, the artist who had the beef about the Peacefrog release, Jamie Read, had at some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also known as Joe Louis in earlier releases) of doing: releasing jointly-produced work without crediting the other producers. Now with such a history, and with what looks like a 'tit-for-tat' move by Joe Lewis (releasing the tracks again without crediting Jamie Read) it seems implausible (although not impossible) that 'Joe Lewis' wouldn't tell Peacefrog all this when handing over the tapes. It's possible that he'd feel quite justified in taking that tack. Ergo, I feel Peacefrog are being a little disingenuous in claiming not to know. Ken
Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
Jamie Read, had at some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also known as Joe Louis in earlier releases) of doing: releasing jointly-produced work without crediting the other producers. I don't see any evidence in the discogs post for that. Now with such a history, and with what looks like a 'tit-for-tat' move by Joe Lewis (releasing the tracks again without crediting Jamie Read) it seems implausible (although not impossible) that 'Joe Lewis' wouldn't tell Peacefrog all this when handing over the tapes. Why on earth would Joe Lewis tell Peacefrog that he didn't make most of the tracks on the LP? I feel Peacefrog are being a little disingenuous in claiming not to know. They know now, but didn't know at the time, why should they?
RE: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
I feel Peacefrog are being a little disingenuous in claiming not to know I see your point Ken. I just think that a) bet joe lewis told them nada. and b) its way too late to do anything about it now really. just feel a bit bad for them really as its a bit of a sh*tty situation. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
Hell, all this fuzz about this record makes me want to buy it! Peacefrog: Thank you mysterious internet community! -- Jari Tolkkinen | dj ken-guru | http://www.ken-guru.net --
RE: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
Jamie Read, had at some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also known as Joe Louis in earlier releases) of doing: releasing jointly-produced work without crediting the other producers. I don't see any evidence in the discogs post for that. *Read it Dan* Read was keen to have his music released on Relief Records, a Chicago label with cult status in the underground UK scene. He gave the DAT, which contained music that had been worked on by all four aforementioned UK artists, to Joe Lewis for the purpose of giving to Relief as potential material for the label. Some time later 4 of these tracks appeared on Relief as a Joe Louis release called Back To The Beginning. *** Still see no evidence? Now with such a history, and with what looks like a 'tit-for-tat' move by Joe Lewis (releasing the tracks again without crediting Jamie Read) it seems implausible (although not impossible) that 'Joe Lewis' wouldn't tell Peacefrog all this when handing over the tapes. Why on earth would Joe Lewis tell Peacefrog that he didn't make most of the tracks on the LP? Precisely because he didn't! I feel Peacefrog are being a little disingenuous in claiming not to know. They know now, but didn't know at the time, why should they? I'm saying they did know at the time. Do keep up man! Ken
Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
Ken, where does it say/imply the below? robin... Jamie Read, had at some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also known as Joe Louis in earlier releases) of doing: releasing jointly-produced work without crediting the other producers.
RE: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
I feel Peacefrog are being a little disingenuous in claiming not to know I see your point Ken. I just think that a) bet joe lewis told them nada. and b) its way too late to do anything about it now really. just feel a bit bad for them really as its a bit of a sh*tty situation. _ - End of message text Agreed on all point Alex. Ken
Re: (313) Juno orders from US?
I order from Italy every month: delivery takes max 3-4 days!!! Love Juno :) - Original Message - From: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:12 AM Subject: Re: (313) Juno orders from US? Ordered from them several times when I was still in Germany; delivery within a week and no probs whatsoever. : ) On 21 Oct 2005, at 16:35, Benoît Pueyo wrote: Ordered twice from France .. Had really badass service and got my packs in around 2 months both times. Who said that the Channel is larger than the Atlantic Ocean ??? -- Benoît. Garrett McGrath a écrit : Generally fantastic. considering it's the UK, seems like things get here incredibly fast. On Oct 20, 2005, at 2:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any US list people ever order from Juno? review? good/bad/never again/fantastic? MEK
Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
Yeah i guess I see what you mean. I think though that the implication is that Jamie had the major input out of the 4 and that they were his tracks. Like Derrick May tracks are his :) robin... Jamie Read, had at some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also known as Joe Louis in earlier releases) of doing: releasing jointly-produced work without crediting the other producers. I don't see any evidence in the discogs post for that. *Read it Dan* Read was keen to have his music released on Relief Records, a Chicago label with cult status in the underground UK scene. He gave the DAT, which contained music that had been worked on by all four aforementioned UK artists, to Joe Lewis for the purpose of giving to Relief as potential material for the label. Some time later 4 of these tracks appeared on Relief as a Joe Louis release called Back To The Beginning. *** Still see no evidence?
Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
yeah, I responded and then read the linked LD thread - someone didn't tell Peacefrog the truth MEK Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] ones.com To [EMAIL PROTECTED], 11/08/05 08:20 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc 313@hyperreal.org Subject (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf) Michael Elliott-Knight wrote: 10 years later (2005) Peacefrog Records in the UK inadvertently released a further batch of tracks from the DAT on a 12 entitled He's Back and an album entitled The Return Of Joe Lewis, which was released on both vinyl and CD. How do you inadvertently release a bunch of tracks? That sounds like BS to me. Either that or someone seriously f'cked up. Anybody know what Lee Purkis is up to these days? I bought a bunch of In-sync records directly from Lee a while back (via eBay). I asked if he had anything new and he said he did but he was waiting for the right time. MEK *** I guess some of you have already seen the discogs entry on the eponymously named LP which sparked all that controversy. I dunno, the plot thickens maybe... http://www.discogs.com/release/482148 In any case, Peacefrog being totally unaware becomes a more and more implausible possibility, to my mind. Ken
RE: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
OK, I guess I should add to this the tacit point seems to be the use of the aliases 'Joe Lewis', and 'Joe Louis', by what seems to be more than one person, but intending to represent the same artist.
RE: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
alex.bond wrote: If someone comes to you with a cd/tape full of music that they want to release, would you question it? I know I wouldn't. How would you go about asking anyway? pretty awkward situation really. I think, as most people would, the thought that it wasn't even their music just wouldn't really enter in your head. or it wouldn't mine anyway. i probably wouldn't question it either, but i think you should. if only to make sure you will never be held liable for copyright infringement. i assume peacefrog, when signing joe lewis, had him sign a contract in which joe states that he owns the copyrights to the material he provides to the label for release, and that none of the works infringe on the copyrights of others. that way you don't have to ask him if he made the tracks himself, but if it turns out he didn't, it will be much easier to direct the real copyright- owner to the actual infringing party (here: (supposedly) joe lewis). further, you can probably even claim damages from joe lewis in that case, based on breach of contract (which may enable you to release the same album with new artwork, giving credit to: 10th planet - the exit of joe lewis...). jurren
Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
In general have you heard of situations where a producer (someone just starting out, so unknown) sends some demos around and a label releases them under a different name without crediting him or even informimg him? I mean, an outright theft of music? Jamil
(313) on a more positive peacefrog note
I see that the new sony ad uses jose gonzalez as the soundtrack. really like that lp. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
I have read it, it just says that he was the person who handed the DAT to Joe Lewis. It doesn't say that he claimed the material to be solely his own creation. On 8 Nov 2005, at 15:21, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Jamie Read, had at some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also known as Joe Louis in earlier releases) of doing: releasing jointly-produced work without crediting the other producers. I don't see any evidence in the discogs post for that. *Read it Dan* Read was keen to have his music released on Relief Records, a Chicago label with cult status in the underground UK scene. He gave the DAT, which contained music that had been worked on by all four aforementioned UK artists, to Joe Lewis for the purpose of giving to Relief as potential material for the label. Some time later 4 of these tracks appeared on Relief as a Joe Louis release called Back To The Beginning. *** Still see no evidence? Now with such a history, and with what looks like a 'tit-for-tat' move by Joe Lewis (releasing the tracks again without crediting Jamie Read) it seems implausible (although not impossible) that 'Joe Lewis' wouldn't tell Peacefrog all this when handing over the tapes. Why on earth would Joe Lewis tell Peacefrog that he didn't make most of the tracks on the LP? Precisely because he didn't! I feel Peacefrog are being a little disingenuous in claiming not to know. They know now, but didn't know at the time, why should they? I'm saying they did know at the time. Do keep up man! Ken
RE: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
Sure Dan. It's how one reads it. But we should also read the context too. -Original Message- From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2005 15:35 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf) I have read it, it just says that he was the person who handed the DAT to Joe Lewis. It doesn't say that he claimed the material to be solely his own creation. On 8 Nov 2005, at 15:21, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Jamie Read, had at some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also known as Joe Louis in earlier releases) of doing: releasing jointly-produced work without crediting the other producers. I don't see any evidence in the discogs post for that. *Read it Dan* Read was keen to have his music released on Relief Records, a Chicago label with cult status in the underground UK scene. He gave the DAT, which contained music that had been worked on by all four aforementioned UK artists, to Joe Lewis for the purpose of giving to Relief as potential material for the label. Some time later 4 of these tracks appeared on Relief as a Joe Louis release called Back To The Beginning. *** Still see no evidence? Now with such a history, and with what looks like a 'tit-for-tat' move by Joe Lewis (releasing the tracks again without crediting Jamie Read) it seems implausible (although not impossible) that 'Joe Lewis' wouldn't tell Peacefrog all this when handing over the tapes. Why on earth would Joe Lewis tell Peacefrog that he didn't make most of the tracks on the LP? Precisely because he didn't! I feel Peacefrog are being a little disingenuous in claiming not to know. They know now, but didn't know at the time, why should they? I'm saying they did know at the time. Do keep up man! Ken
RE: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
To get back on the orginal topic: I dug out my copy's of the 'B-sides' by Frank de Wulf and gave it a listen last night...sounded a bit dated but brought back some great memories.. great music which kicked off a great time in music as well! Now, where's my whistle... -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 8 november 2005 16:42 Aan: Dan Bean CC: 313 313 Onderwerp: RE: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf) Sure Dan. It's how one reads it. But we should also read the context too. -Original Message- From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2005 15:35 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf) I have read it, it just says that he was the person who handed the DAT to Joe Lewis. It doesn't say that he claimed the material to be solely his own creation. On 8 Nov 2005, at 15:21, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Jamie Read, had at some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also known as Joe Louis in earlier releases) of doing: releasing jointly-produced work without crediting the other producers. I don't see any evidence in the discogs post for that. *Read it Dan* Read was keen to have his music released on Relief Records, a Chicago label with cult status in the underground UK scene. He gave the DAT, which contained music that had been worked on by all four aforementioned UK artists, to Joe Lewis for the purpose of giving to Relief as potential material for the label. Some time later 4 of these tracks appeared on Relief as a Joe Louis release called Back To The Beginning. *** Still see no evidence? Now with such a history, and with what looks like a 'tit-for-tat' move by Joe Lewis (releasing the tracks again without crediting Jamie Read) it seems implausible (although not impossible) that 'Joe Lewis' wouldn't tell Peacefrog all this when handing over the tapes. Why on earth would Joe Lewis tell Peacefrog that he didn't make most of the tracks on the LP? Precisely because he didn't! I feel Peacefrog are being a little disingenuous in claiming not to know. They know now, but didn't know at the time, why should they? I'm saying they did know at the time. Do keep up man! Ken
Re: (313) new nuwaveradio shows
fck dat - it's Future Jazz or NuJazz or Jazz Dance (according to discogs) ;) MEK Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To 313@hyperreal.org, 11/08/05 07:43 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: (313) new nuwaveradio shows so, i guess the new term for broken beat which i've noticed as being the dominant term since i first heard of the 'west london' sound is suppose to be nuwave?! and what about all the latest post punk, no wave, etc. stuff - isn't this term nuwave just a bit too close to that. all the metrosexual fashionistas might get into a bit of a snit when they go looking for the latest Tiga/DFA/etc. and find all these jazzy, hip hop, DB inspired grooves instead. sometimes i have a tough time keeping up with all these genre names you know... n.p. Bruk Mix Vol 3 - DJ Dialect :) G - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 4:26 AM Subject: (313) new nuwaveradio shows check here, not everyone's bag but I know some of you like: http://www.nuwaveradio.co.uk/ shifty(one half of yotoko), marc mac, somatik etc _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
FW: (313) on a more positive peacefrog note
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2005 15:32 I see that the new sony ad uses jose gonzalez as the soundtrack. really like that lp. Hey I recorded that track onto a wax cylinder 100 years ago and lent to Jose's dad in the hope of scoring points with some of the laydeez from his manor.
RE: (313)The Evolution Of Sound
I may be a little late on this, but just received my copy today And a little bias since I'm a mills fan. But it's an excellent pick. Definitely worth buying for any/all collectors. The tracks are a classic instrumentation of the future of electronic music. When I say future, I mean the concept/storyline of the CD. He always attempts To open the portal of our minds. -Tim -Original Message- From: David Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) New Mills cd, etc. This is an excellent CD well worth the extra effort to find--it is out there ;-D From: Wojtek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) New Mills cd, etc. Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:21:34 -0700 Does anyone have info on this relaease? http://www.discogs.com/release/544601 Is it availble outside of Japan yet? The discogs notes say that it's a US release, but it doesn't seem to be available from any known outlets. Also, some nice pics of Mills live with a 909 and Scion (does this mean that a new release of theirs is in the works?) performing can be found here http://blog.excite.co.jp/jeff05 wojtek The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
RE: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
On Tue, November 8, 2005 3:21 pm, Odeluga, Ken wrote: *Read it Dan* Read was keen to have his music released on Relief Records, a Chicago label with cult status in the underground UK scene. He gave the DAT, which contained music that had been worked on by all four aforementioned UK artists, to Joe Lewis for the purpose of giving to Relief as potential material for the label. Some time later 4 of these tracks appeared on Relief as a Joe Louis release called Back To The Beginning. *** Still see no evidence? hey, i can make up a story just like it if i wanted to. when it comes down to one salty nobody's word against the word of someone who was an old school cat down since day one, why would anyone trust the salty guy? i know i wouldnt trust anyone whose only proof of something is their word. and sure you can say it sounds like material made by those people at that time but lord knows that alot of dance music sounds pretty similar anyway. if this really did happen, does mr. read still have a copy of the DAT? if not, why would he give his master away? if he had any proof, id like to think that this would be more than just an internet rumour by now, 10 years down the line. do you believe everything you read on the internets? tom
Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
if this really did happen, does mr. read still have a copy of the DAT? if not, why would he give his master away? if he had any proof, id like to think that this would be more than just an internet rumour by now, 10 years down the line. Hmmm as much as I'd love to argue with you on that point Tom, that is exactly what crosses my mind whenever I read the story. If it was me and had my stuff stolen I'd be doing something other than moaning about it (put up the tracks on a website for free download for one, the money made is not worth chasing legally so why not test it all legally?). Anyway we're all bored of this now, aren't we? robin...
(313) mix WNUR chicago - Misspent Years
Clinically Inclined 28 Oct 2005:Misspent Years Fridays 9:30pm - 12:30am, 89.3 FM WNUR Chicago Download from http://SonicSunset.com Part 1 Halloween party music, the funk of 40 thousand years. Hanson and Davis get a Larry Levan dub, The Creatures big italo, and a stunning Detroit b-side by Paperclip People. New music this week from Domu, Iken and Dexter -- all deep in their own spooky ways. Part 2 as the witching hour approaches, darkness lurks in the alleys of your mind. a familiar tune slinks past, left in the dust of crumbling bass from parties long forgotten. but the sinking feeling returns only once more, and the dancefloor reigns until dawn. Part 1 Matt MacQueen Pleasure - Glide (Fantasy) Hanson and Davis - I'll Take You [Dub] (Fresh) Jenny Burton - Players (Atlantic) Iken - A1 - (Real Soon 7) Domu - Quarantine - The Electric Institue sampler (A.R.T. / New Religion) Paperclip People - Jerry Lewis [Mayday mix] (Planet E) Concrete Soul Collective - It's Grooving [Brian Prince Remix] (Digital Soul) Abe Duque - A1 - Besame Mucho (Duque) The Juan Maclean - Tito's Way [Reverso68 remix] (DFA) Dharma - Plastic Doll [Instr.] The Creatures - Believe in Yourself (Teldec) 1983 Unit 4 - Bodydub [Freak Electrique remix] (Clone) Duplex - Fictional Frequency - B1 (Frantic Flowers) Dexter - Echt Velt - D-Funked (Clone) Aroy Dee - Glow (MOS) Schatrax - Mispent Years (Shatrax) Part 2 Dave Siska exos - u can't stop time (statik entertainment) monolake - stratosphere (ml/i) process - smp-k option 4 - shape-space (fat cat) maus stolle - pan (klang) mikkel metal - delta - lukon ep (echocord) smyglyssna - insvept i papper - dold ep (plug research) corrado izzo - untitled (gadgets) joey beltram - south pacific - aonox (visible) cyrus - presence [edit] (basic channel) baby ford - mobile home - headphoneasy rider (black market) j dahlback - lonesome dub - with compliments (svek) omar s - oasis 1 (fxhe) risque rythum team - the jacking zone (chicago connection) legowelt - dirty love - wirtschaftswunder (bunker) neuropolitique - mind mirror - gene pools (irdial) Audio archives at http://SonicSunset.com --- Clinically Inclined is mixed live on air, 89.3 FM in Chicago every Friday night.
(313) Mike Grant mix
spotted this on the deephousepage, thought some peeps might like: Mike Grant from Moods And Grooves will be guesting with Mark Gurney Still Waters this evening on House FM. 20:00-22:00 GMT 88.5fm airwaves www.housefm.net The show will be archived for one week ! Mark Gurney John Beltran presents Nostalgic 'Especially' (groove international) Frank-I 'Let The Record Play' (yoruba) Mike Grant Sabrina Malheiros 'Capoeira Vai' spiritual south mix (far out) Solu Music feat Kai Martin 'It Ain't Love' (solu) Black Music 'Cry Of The Virtual Child' (moods and grooves) Cool Peepl 'untitled' (moods and grooves) Brett Dancer 'Dreamin' (track mode) Steal Vybe 'Let It Play' (space kat) Afromento 'Rhumba St' (blockheadz) Scott Grooves 'Organ Nights' (spiritual life) Rick Wade 'Night Phases' (moods and grooves) Omar S 'Motion' (fxhe) Mike Grant 'My Soul My Spirit' (moods and grooves) Glenn Underground 'Urban Ensemble' (vega) Gene Hunt 'Tribute To Robert Owens Larry Heard' (moods and grooves) Javonntte 'We Go Way Back' (moods and grooves) Digital Funk Addicts 'Higher Level' (moods and grooves) Brad Peterson 'untitled' (moods and grooves) DFA 'November Sky' (moods and grooves) Marisa G 'Funky Music' (moods and grooves) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) New York
check Rhythmism.com for party listings.. usual haunts: Apt on thursdays, Tonic + Cafe Deville on Fridays, Sullivan Room on Saturdays... other places for records: Etherea [Ave A] DanceTracks [E. 3rd] Halcyon [of course] Bleecker Bob's for used stuff [W. 3rd] Other Music for used / new [not a whole lot in the Detroit vibe, but their 'house' section is basically just Theo / KDJ / etc.] Rock Soul [W. 34th + 7th Ave] .. good for all of the disco / Paradise Garage / loft classic represses let me know if you want some option for lounging, food, etc. will try to be around then. if so, holla. +odd -- On Nov 8, 2005, at 6:35 AM, robin wrote: Thanks to everyone for all the New York advice. I really appreciate it. Now is there anything happening club-wise on 25th or 26th of November in NYC? robin... Matt Kane's Brain wrote: i think vinyl market is still open. 241 E 10th St i've also heard good things about this place: http://www.halcyonline.com/ On Nov 7, 2005, at 9:34, robin wrote: Hi all, I will find myself in New York at the end of November. Can anyone recommend a good area of the city to stay in? (or even better a good reasonably priced hotel :) ). Also any good record shops I should be wasting money in? thanks! robin... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Todd Sines, director + SCALE: http://www.scale.gs/ // connecting the space between + within.
(313) London)02-12-05 Süd Electronic's Yuletide Knees . Live : Lawrence/Sten + Portable +
Süd Electronic's Yuletide Knees Up 2nd December Minimal Techno Beyond Yes it's that time of the year again , were we will be drinking loads , and will generally be misbehaving . No mince pies , custard and jelly for us though , rather some really , special guest and some rather outstanding music and great company . Live Lawrence ( Kompakt , Dial , Ghostly , Spectral , Ladomat , Novamute , Mute , Bpitch Control , Monika , Freude Am Tanzen e.t.c) Portable( Scape , Spectral , Süd , Karat , Mutek , Context , Background , Revolver , e.t.c.) Now Have we got a goody for you ! I have been collecting Peter M. Kersten's music , under his Lawrence or Sten Guise , since dicovering , his gorgeous , albums ; Lawrence; and the The Absence Of Blight ; on his own Dial Imprint ( he runs dial with Casten Jost ) , and Ladomat . His Third album as lawrence , titled The Night Will Last Forever , was as equally outstanding . He hails from germany's rainy north , Hamburg . His growing reputation as one of Germanys hottest producers hasnt gone unnoticed . He has received accolades and subsequently , some remix work requests from Wighmony Brothers , Kompakt's , Wolfgang Voigt , Depeche Mode's Martin Gore e.t.c. He also receives constant airplay from the likes of Michael Mayer , Matthew Dear , Luciano , Ricardo Villalobos , Zip , Lo Soul , Omar S , Carl Craig , Theo Parrish , Akufen , Wighmony Brothers , Soul Phiction , Larry Heard , Daniel Bell , the list is endless . He will be donning his Lawrence hat , for this outing . Lawrence's Music imbues subtle microhouse rhythms with poignant, autumnal moods and demonstrates a masterful command of song construction . The overall emphasis on melancholy melodies and haunting tones lends the recording poignancy rooted in feelings of nostalgia and yearning . This is no ordinary minimal techno artist , or music . Peter M. Kersten's Music , wether he is recording as Lawrence , Sten , Lloyd , Bordeaux ; ( his ambient guitar project alongside , Carsten Jost , and others ) ; this man makes really special music , and you trully need to come and experience this special occassion , his first London performance . Lawrence is constantly in demand , to dj and play live across the globe . Holding 2 residencies at 2 of Germany's revered clubs ; The Golden Pudel Club as well as the Click Club . Click On the Links Below For His Extensive Discography As Lawrence http://www.discogs.com/artist/Lawrence Sten http://www.discogs.com/artist/Sten There is an amazing live set from Lawrence ,recorded in 2004 , on Betalounge . Check ! http://www.betalounge.com/ A Few Words On Portable Portable's live sets are truly awesome ! He gets better and better each time you hear him . Counting esteemed Artists such as Monolake , Thomas Fehlman , Ricardo Villalobos , Sutekh , Pole , Zip , Krause Duo , Ron Trent , Mike Banks , Jamal Moss , Peter Grummich e.t.c ; as fans ; his profile is about to further rocket ; with his 4th album scheduled for release on Scape next Year , as well as his double pack release , under his new Body Code guise , for legendary Detroit label , Spectral . Home to Matthew Dear , Audion , Hieroglyphic Being , Lawrence , James .T. Cotton e.t.c. His live sets have seen him perform in Japan,Germany , U.S.A. , Canada , Mexico , Bogota , Brazil , Poland , Sweden , Denmark , South Africa , e.t.c. Portable is so mindblowing live , and easily one of the best live artists around , at the minute . Dj's Support Will Come From Lakuti ( Süd ) Nick Craddock ( nickcraddock.co.uk) Marco Shuttle ( Guarilla Lime Soda ) Fail Hdj ( Failme.net ) Date : 2nd December 2005 Time : 10 pm - Very Late Door Charge : £8 slightly more than usual , but unfortunately our costs for this one are really high ! . No Advanced Tickets necessary for this one , but pre book yor names on the paying guestlist to guarantee entry , incase we are full . email your names to [EMAIL PROTECTED] infoline 07931 248 733 Venue : 54 Commercial Street , London E16LT , Below Jawani Restuarant . A venue with a 24 hour License . Click the Link Below For A Map www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=51.5183lon=-0.0743scale=5000icon=x Nearest Tube : Aldgate East , Liverpool street tube I hope to see all of you , out and partying with us ! Trust me , this is gonna be rather special ! .
Re: (313) Mike Grant mix
On Tue, November 8, 2005 5:11 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Omar S 'Motion' (fxhe) hmm, i wonder what this is? DFA 'November Sky' (moods and grooves) if this is the same DFA as this: http://www.discogs.com/release/90673 then ill be really happy. i just got that 12 and its really stellar stuff. to
Re: (313) Mike Grant mix
yeah that's what i was wondering toothat release on surveillance is too good and i was eagerly waiting for this DFA to drop more deepness... fab. - Original Message - DFA 'November Sky' (moods and grooves) if this is the same DFA as this: http://www.discogs.com/release/90673 then ill be really happy. i just got that 12 and its really stellar stuff. to
Re: (313) Arnold und Ayro in SF + Konono #1
Photos of Konono No. 1 and Ayro/Arnold in SF: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dodge/ Stellar sounds.
Re: (313) Mike Grant mix
On Tue, November 8, 2005 6:32 pm, fab. wrote: yeah that's what i was wondering toothat release on surveillance is too good and i was eagerly waiting for this DFA to drop more deepness... does anyone have any info about these guys? they seem to be pretty mysterious, having the same name as 2 other artists who are more popular and are releasing music in similar genres doesnt help either! theyre obviously detroit related somehow, but are they from detroit? tom
(313) new netmedia label vague terrain is now live
come one come all and enjoy the fruits of 7 months labor... vagueterrain.net went live last night enjoy the free digital art mp3 releases, video works, digital glitch stills and peoples mussings on the subject enjoy MP3 releases from Kero, Tomas Jirku, Des Cailloux et du Carbone, and Intercom. neil... naw/neil wiernik artist site: www.naw.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com www.pertin-nce.com projects: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net
Re: (313) Mike Grant mix
On 8-nov-2005, at 19:44, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On Tue, November 8, 2005 6:32 pm, fab. wrote: yeah that's what i was wondering toothat release on surveillance is too good and i was eagerly waiting for this DFA to drop more deepness... does anyone have any info about these guys? they seem to be pretty mysterious, having the same name as 2 other artists who are more popular and are releasing music in similar genres doesnt help either! theyre obviously detroit related somehow, but are they from detroit? I met the guy who did this record on surveillance records 2 years ago in Detroit... he came from the Detroit area. KJ
(313) Ipodding .. Was new nuwaveradio shows
Too bad they still don't have podcasts Here are mine .. http://feeds.feedburner.com/Beyondjazz http://feeds.feedburner.com/DDJiMix http://feeds.feedburner.com/FusionBasicSoul http://feeds.feedburner.com/Offtrack http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheUrbanLandscapesPodcasts http://www.futureboogie.com/rss/futureboogie_podcasts.xml http://podcast.xs4all.nl/rss/singexan/Ben+Liebrand+MiniMixen Offtrack Futureboogie are my fav. If some of you have more podfeeds please post New ones are always welcome And now find a clip of that carl remake of fallig up of theo :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:26 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new nuwaveradio shows check here, not everyone's bag but I know some of you like: http://www.nuwaveradio.co.uk/ shifty(one half of yotoko), marc mac, somatik etc _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
On Tue, November 8, 2005 8:14 pm, MICHAEL WELCH wrote: Fellas Fellas You can take it from me that this realley did happen and is not a rumour. I know Jamie well and yes this Peacefrog thing is not the first time Joe Lewis/Louis or whatever his f*ckin name is has stolen his music. where is the proof beyond your and his word? thats all im looking for. it seems so simple yet no one is coming up with it. in the meantime, why should i believe you? because it says so on the internets? tom
Re: (313) New York
Fridays at subTonic 107 Norfolk Street (212)358-7501 www.klever.org/thebunkernyc $5, 21+, 10p-4a November 25: Unlockedgroove Label Launch Party - Kooky Scientist (Plus8, Telepathic | Boston) Smartypants vs. Scorchio (Unlockedgroove | Boston) on 11/8/05 6:35 AM, robin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to everyone for all the New York advice. I really appreciate it. Now is there anything happening club-wise on 25th or 26th of November in NYC? robin... Matt Kane's Brain wrote: i think vinyl market is still open. 241 E 10th St i've also heard good things about this place: http://www.halcyonline.com/ On Nov 7, 2005, at 9:34, robin wrote: Hi all, I will find myself in New York at the end of November. Can anyone recommend a good area of the city to stay in? (or even better a good reasonably priced hotel :) ). Also any good record shops I should be wasting money in? thanks! robin... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
