Re: (313) Plant43/Datasette
look for a convextion/maetrik split 12 on ai in the near future
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
now back to the question, does everyone still assume that those people were wrong to fear this? Tom .. for starters I like you passion .. ' and .. I think you may have strong case .. but not a valid one unless you are willing to participate in certain behaviors that will mark you and Detriot music forever. Firstly I think everyone accepts and appreciates that Detroit music originated from Detroit. I have yet to meet a Detroit Techno lover who would suggest that Detroit is anything but the respectable home and heartland of Detroit Techno. However what you are suggesting is that Detroit has exclusive and complete rights to the label Detroit Techno. This is possibly a commercially smart thing to do .. and has been done by the French in regard to their bubbly wine and local cheese. You are suggesting that the only people who can call their Techno Detroit Techno are people who are born and raised in Detroit. In a commercial sense you are probably following a clean line of thought. On a personal level I see you trying to protect the energy and truth of the early Detroit Techno. I see you also trying to protect the interests of local Detroit Artists. These are all valid things to do. However in order to protect these things you will need to essentially crush what is Detroit Techno into a can cover it in a series of warning labels and putting it on a special shelf for everyone to purchase. Historically I think Ritchie was probably a little cheeky to put that sticker out. But unless Detroit Techno took the legal steps to protect the labeling of music under that title then all you are left with is some assumed level of respect from artists outside Detroit that the label belongs only to Detroit artists. I believe if Detroit Techno had done this. If it had protected by legal means the labeling of music as Detroit Techno we would not be seeing what we are seeing today, which is a global interest and support for the music form. Tom ' I think you are totally on the correct wave length in terms of trying to gain the correct attention for Detroit Music people ... But I also think you are missing the point. The DEMF regardless of the play list is drawing a huge amount of attention from around the globe towards Detroit and the modern music form of Techno that is related to Detroit. Detroit Techno has started something, and yes everyone wants to be a part of it, but you should be proud of this and welcoming people to the City, to the festival. No other city in the world can boast to be what Detroit is .. and from where I am standing the DEMF is a celebration of what Detroit has started, and the fact that the festival is in the heart of the city is testament to what Detroit has committed to continue. While I respect you are upset, and for many good reasons. Until they start holding the DEMF in New York or Berlin I think you should work on the positives. But .. perhaps you think I have no right to comment because I don't live in Detroit. If thats the case then Detroit Techno should have never been played outside the city limits. .simon --- www.obscure.co.nz www.psurkit.net -- m. +64 275 606012
Re: (313) Plant43/Datasette
J.T. wrote: look for a convextion/maetrik split 12 on ai in the near future Great news! jeff
(313) Vault Radio - May 10, 2005
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Re: (313) Plant43/Datasette
-Original Message- From: theREALmxyzptlk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 May 2006 00:26 To: J.T. Cc: 313 Org Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: (313) Plant43/Datasette J.T. wrote: look for a convextion/maetrik split 12 on ai in the near future Great news! WORD! I hope some of the stuff from his recent live set turns up on there. In fact, given that the first half of it was electro, it would probably be a damn good fit for AI. Oh, and speaking of Convextion, look what I saw for the meager sum of $400 yesterday: http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?release_id=4915 I know people are prone to put things up on discogs at silly prices, and the $ is worth about £.1 these days, but damn! Oh, and I'm feeling the Plant43/Datasette split too. Emile's electro is some of my favourite. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 14/05/2006
Re: (313) Plant43/Datasette
WORD! I hope some of the stuff from his recent live set turns up on there. In fact, given that the first half of it was electro, it would probably be a damn good fit for AI. nope, it was all picked before he made any of that stuff i think. one or two of those will be on the convextion album on down low tho. and more of them may appear on an ERP record on a certain dutch label..
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Tom always comes with the strong opinions. Then people get their backs up. Then it gets personal. I'd be really impressed if people would just refute his arguments and leave it at that. Or, failing that, bring up butt-ugly UK pop stars from the 80s. Personally, I think that Detroit Techno is what it is because of a confluence of external influences filtered through the artistic sensibilities of Detroit musicians. Afrika Bambaataa, Kraftwerk, Prince, yadda yadda bling bling -- you know the story. And if you don't go read Techno Rebels. Once Detroit artists began establishing an artistic identity of their own -- which is by no means limited to one true 'Detroit Techno' style -- the Detroit music influenced and inspired musicians all over the world. DEMF has always been a many-to-many dialog between people -- some from Detroit, some from elsewhere. Some (on the 313 list) apparently from other planets. Given that Richie started playing in Detroit at Shelter in the late 80s, and that he has many personal and artistic ties to Detroit people, to say he's not 'Detroit Enough' would disqualify a lot of folks who are playing or have played at the festival, many of whom Tom (among others) really like. Sure, people got mad when Richie etched his white labels with new sound of detroit. But if he hadn't done that, they'd be mad at him about something else. When has the Detroit Techno community ever been harmonious? It's been over twenty years of one damn drama after another. I'm not suggesting that anyone have to like his music, and I'm familiar with every possible rant against him. Go ahead and make fun of his haircut. Call him a Väth-kisser. But I don't think a 'Detroit-enough' litmus test exists. Hell, I've been to Belleville, and believe me, Belleville ain't Detroit! On 5/17/06, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, when richie and crew put the new sound of detroit stamps on their white label records, causing all kinds of controversy about music not from detroit taking credit for what they did, do you think that this year's DEMF is EXACTLY what people were concerned about?
RE: (313) New DEMF Order
PYRAMID STAGE 12-3P CARL CRAIG This is just f++king weird? I wonder if Carl requested this time? I can't see why though? Anybody who has ever had the balls to run this festival should be headlining. besides Carol Marvin;-) and those who have headlined (like every year) should run the festival once.. Carl and Derrick started this!!! I don't care if Carl takes a sh+t on the main stage from 10-midnight. He deserves it.. Respectfully and musically!!!
Re: (313) Re: cosmic style mix by joakim
May I say I wasn't v. impressed with this?!? Was expecting more because of his prod. and of comments on him. IMHO, some of the best tracks he plays here are now famous because of other mixes (mostly Harvey's sarcasticdisco and Marni's tutu33, which are miles away better than this). The sequencing and mixing are not v. inspiring, too... I agree with you Gui. Some of the tunes are ok but it's not presented in a very imaginative way. robin...
Re: (313) Re: cosmic style mix by joakim
- Original Message - From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Re: (313) Re: cosmic style mix by joakim May I say I wasn't v. impressed with this?!? Was expecting more because of his prod. and of comments on him. IMHO, some of the best tracks he plays here are now famous because of other mixes (mostly Harvey's sarcasticdisco and Marni's tutu33, which are miles away better than this). The sequencing and mixing are not v. inspiring, too... I agree with you Gui. Some of the tunes are ok but it's not presented in a very imaginative way. First time I saw Joakim I was very impressed. He played loads of great stuff and his mixing was actually quite good, but every time since then there has only been a couple of good moments and the rest was crap to middling, with fairly poor mixing. I don't geddit... Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
(313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE
Rick Astleys dad owns a garden centre near my mates house. I go past it when I go see him. so if anyone requires any compost or other potting plants/garden utensils, be sure to let me know. support the underground gardeners p.s. hello everyone. sorry i havent written, cant think straight. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE
you go past yer mates house when you go see rick? Posh git : ) Ah well www.nwaq.com\154kerstmix.mp3 Yup, last christmas Keep in mind the place was empty untill half way into the mix And people where dancing at the end : ) Even marsel ; ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 18 mei 2006 10:10 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE Rick Astleys dad owns a garden centre near my mates house. I go past it when I go see him. so if anyone requires any compost or other potting plants/garden utensils, be sure to let me know. support the underground gardeners p.s. hello everyone. sorry i havent written, cant think straight. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
Re: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE
it's about bloody time man! now all i'm waiting for is marsel to share your latest set with aroy dee.;) fab. CITYMORB MUSIC www.citymorb.net | [EMAIL PROTECTED] out now: CTM002 SMBP - Stars Falling ep. next release: CTM004 Vermont - The Santa Cruz Operation ep. www.nwaq.com\154kerstmix.mp3
Re: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE
i'm actually waiting for real music from the man himself rumors are two singles, on nwaq, and other on delsin, are coming up please mail bomb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] say he should hurry a bit as his music has a public function etc etc - Original Message - From: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: Re: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE it's about bloody time man! now all i'm waiting for is marsel to share your latest set with aroy dee.;) fab. CITYMORB MUSIC www.citymorb.net | [EMAIL PROTECTED] out now: CTM002 SMBP - Stars Falling ep. next release: CTM004 Vermont - The Santa Cruz Operation ep. www.nwaq.com\154kerstmix.mp3
RE: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE
Previews up on www.myspace.com\newworldaquarium Tnx mars Ya want a snicker? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 18 mei 2006 11:48 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE i'm actually waiting for real music from the man himself rumors are two singles, on nwaq, and other on delsin, are coming up please mail bomb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] say he should hurry a bit as his music has a public function etc etc - Original Message - From: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: Re: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE it's about bloody time man! now all i'm waiting for is marsel to share your latest set with aroy dee.;) fab. CITYMORB MUSIC www.citymorb.net | [EMAIL PROTECTED] out now: CTM002 SMBP - Stars Falling ep. next release: CTM004 Vermont - The Santa Cruz Operation ep. www.nwaq.com\154kerstmix.mp3 The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
Re: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE
- Original Message - From: Peteri, Jochem [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: RE: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE Previews up on www.myspace.com\newworldaquarium Nice timing too. There were 154 plays of NWAQ05 A1 when I got to the page. Freaky... Sounding very nice as usual. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
Re: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE
Previews up on www.myspace.com\newworldaquarium i've been meaning to complain. your myspace name is so long that in friends lists it overlaps the name next to yours. i have to put you next to people with very short names in my list to avoid this. you are mucking up my myspace design scheme. and you are making a mess of myspace and i'm embarassed for you.
RE: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE
Small man, big name I have to compensate Please Let me compensate -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 18 mei 2006 14:02 To: Peteri, Jochem; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE Previews up on www.myspace.com\newworldaquarium i've been meaning to complain. your myspace name is so long that in friends lists it overlaps the name next to yours. i have to put you next to people with very short names in my list to avoid this. you are mucking up my myspace design scheme. and you are making a mess of myspace and i'm embarassed for you. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
On 5/17/06, as if .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom .. for starters I like you passion .. ' thanks ;) You are suggesting that the only people who can call their Techno Detroit Techno are people who are born and raised in Detroit. ummm, that is a bit obvious, right? i mean i guess you dont necessarily have to have lived every second of your life in detroit to qualify, but certainly a long term connection with the city and its culture should be a requirement. say techno artist X moves to detroit, his music is not now detroit techno, thats for sure. in fact, to me someone like 4 Hero has more to do with detroit techno than someone like the Beretta music people. In a commercial sense you are probably following a clean line of thought. On a personal level I see you trying to protect the energy and truth of the early Detroit Techno. I see you also trying to protect the interests of local Detroit Artists. for me its not only about techno though, its about house and electro and ghetto tech and even soul and hiphop. anything that has a distinctly detroit flavour that is recognizable! every one of those genres that has a sound associated with detroit has been ripped off by and also influenced people outside of detroit. These are all valid things to do. However in order to protect these things you will need to essentially crush what is Detroit Techno into a can cover it in a series of warning labels and putting it on a special shelf for everyone to purchase. i dont necessarily think that is true. the good thing about something as generic as detroit music is ever changing, and will grow to include different genres and different ideas. but it certainly doesnt need to include every single style of music made in detroit. detroit is a large city, im sure theres some polka players there. but there's no detroit polka sound! But unless Detroit Techno took the legal steps to protect the labeling of music under that title then all you are left with is some assumed level of respect from artists outside Detroit that the label belongs only to Detroit artists. I believe if Detroit Techno had done this. If it had protected by legal means the labeling of music as Detroit Techno we would not be seeing what we are seeing today, which is a global interest and support for the music form. hmm, i dont agree. look at baltimore club music. its now hip to be down with that, and plenty of people outside of baltimore are doing so. but there arent b-more club tracks made anywhere outside of baltimore. there are people ripping that sound off, but without the culture and the place that birthed it, all it is is a cheap knockoff. Tom ' I think you are totally on the correct wave length in terms of trying to gain the correct attention for Detroit Music people ... But I also think you are missing the point. The DEMF regardless of the play list is drawing a huge amount of attention from around the globe towards Detroit and the modern music form of Techno that is related to Detroit. but my argument is that most of this stuff has nothing to do with detroit. POTD has nothing to do with detroit on any level. photek might have 10 years ago, but not today. ditto donald glaude and doc martin and josh wink (well, i guess he has something to do with it in the manner of ripping off specific tracks!) and otto von shirach and etcetc. why these people who have NOTHING to do with detroit are playing at the exclusion of those people who DO have something very essential to do with detroit is what im peeved about. there's no connection to be made from listening to those artists to get to the detroit artists. whats really sad is that if you wanted to have breakcore represented, you could get the low res people to do something since theyve been doing their thing in detroit since 1998 or so. and jungle wise, soundmurderer definitely has something going on that is much more related to detroit simply because the guy's life has obviously been influenced by growing up in/around detroit. so drawing attention to these other people is serving absolutely no one except those whose name will now be associated with something they had nothing to do with. and thats wack. No other city in the world can boast to be what Detroit is .. and from where I am standing the DEMF is a celebration of what Detroit has started, and the fact that the festival is in the heart of the city is testament to what Detroit has committed to continue. While I respect you are upset, and for many good reasons. Until they start holding the DEMF in New York or Berlin I think you should work on the positives. look, since they announced paxahau was doing the festival this year, ive given them the benefit of the doubt at every stage. initially i said well, i know what theyre known for, but hopefully theyll keep the big picture in mind when picking the acts to play. then the initial lineup came out, and it was obvious that they had done no such thing. they said
(313) Will this be a 'real' DEMF?
Frankly unless Rob Theakston is wandering around looking like he gave up sleep for Lent, ranting out of the corner of his mouth, it's not a real DEMF.
RE: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE
hahaha this explains the music tooall that reverb and epic feeling making it so large, it's all clear now. nothing but little-man-syndrome the way your name overlaps onto others is practically dirty and sexy tho. practically meaning totally anyways i got confused, who has 2 ep's etc coming...the 154 or the aroy? both welcome but especially the 154...and especially the aroy..there's a new 154 album coming eventually too isn't there? on delsin or nwaq or peacefrog or...? Small man, big name I have to compensate Please Let me compensate -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 18 mei 2006 14:02 To: Peteri, Jochem; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE Previews up on www.myspace.com\newworldaquarium i've been meaning to complain. your myspace name is so long that in friends lists it overlaps the name next to yours. i have to put you next to people with very short names in my list to avoid this. you are mucking up my myspace design scheme. and you are making a mess of myspace and i'm embarassed for you. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
RE: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE/154 mix
Wow! Echoes and Instruments. I haven't heard that track in a long time. Nice touch P! Cheers, lrh -Original Message- From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:52 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE you go past yer mates house when you go see rick? Posh git : ) Ah well www.nwaq.com\154kerstmix.mp3 Yup, last christmas Keep in mind the place was empty untill half way into the mix And people where dancing at the end : ) Even marsel ; ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 18 mei 2006 10:10 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE Rick Astleys dad owns a garden centre near my mates house. I go past it when I go see him. so if anyone requires any compost or other potting plants/garden utensils, be sure to let me know. support the underground gardeners p.s. hello everyone. sorry i havent written, cant think straight. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Yes Tom! Highly interesting discussion, with all its ups and downs, ultimately about the state of Detroit today. Maybe a new line of thought on this: for sure Detroit music influenced many people around the globe, many ripped it off, some took it and went forward (like the Dutch crew, Berlin, etc.), the whole plus and minus of it revealed itself over the last years. BUT: didn't Detroit music got influenced by other music as well over the time? Sucking those influences in, processing and using them in it's unique way? For sure it didn't 100% generate from Zero and from itself only. It's not a closed-in microcosm, completely sealed off from the world. So: shouldn't this fact be reflected in the DEMF lineup somehow? Detroit certainly gave a lot but I think it also 'took', works both channels. What can be discussed, of course, are the porportions of this give/take share and how it ultimately is weighed in the lineup. Anyway, keep it going. Such thoughts have to be processed. Jan On Thu, 18 May 2006 08:22:54 -0400, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : On 5/17/06, as if .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom .. for starters I like you passion .. ' thanks ;) You are suggesting that the only people who can call their Techno Detroit Techno are people who are born and raised in Detroit. ummm, that is a bit obvious, right? i mean i guess you dont necessarily have to have lived every second of your life in detroit to qualify, but certainly a long term connection with the city and its culture should be a requirement. say techno artist X moves to detroit, his music is not now detroit techno, thats for sure. in fact, to me someone like 4 Hero has more to do with detroit techno than someone like the Beretta music people. In a commercial sense you are probably following a clean line of thought. On a personal level I see you trying to protect the energy and truth of the early Detroit Techno. I see you also trying to protect the interests of local Detroit Artists. for me its not only about techno though, its about house and electro and ghetto tech and even soul and hiphop. anything that has a distinctly detroit flavour that is recognizable! every one of those genres that has a sound associated with detroit has been ripped off by and also influenced people outside of detroit. These are all valid things to do. However in order to protect these things you will need to essentially crush what is Detroit Techno into a can cover it in a series of warning labels and putting it on a special shelf for everyone to purchase. i dont necessarily think that is true. the good thing about something as generic as detroit music is ever changing, and will grow to include different genres and different ideas. but it certainly doesnt need to include every single style of music made in detroit. detroit is a large city, im sure theres some polka players there. but there's no detroit polka sound! But unless Detroit Techno took the legal steps to protect the labeling of music under that title then all you are left with is some assumed level of respect from artists outside Detroit that the label belongs only to Detroit artists. I believe if Detroit Techno had done this. If it had protected by legal means the labeling of music as Detroit Techno we would not be seeing what we are seeing today, which is a global interest and support for the music form. hmm, i dont agree. look at baltimore club music. its now hip to be down with that, and plenty of people outside of baltimore are doing so. but there arent b-more club tracks made anywhere outside of baltimore. there are people ripping that sound off, but without the culture and the place that birthed it, all it is is a cheap knockoff. Tom ' I think you are totally on the correct wave length in terms of trying to gain the correct attention for Detroit Music people ... But I also think you are missing the point. The DEMF regardless of the play list is drawing a huge amount of attention from around the globe towards Detroit and the modern music form of Techno that is related to Detroit. but my argument is that most of this stuff has nothing to do with detroit. POTD has nothing to do with detroit on any level. photek might have 10 years ago, but not today. ditto donald glaude and doc martin and josh wink (well, i guess he has something to do with it in the manner of ripping off specific tracks!) and otto von shirach and etcetc. why these people who have NOTHING to do with detroit are playing at the exclusion of those people who DO have something very essential to do with detroit is what im peeved about. there's no connection to be made from listening to those artists to get to the detroit artists. whats really sad is that if you wanted to have breakcore represented, you could get the low res people to do something since theyve been doing their thing in detroit since 1998 or so. and
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
I agree that influences are ubiquitous. The question here is about the weighting of importance. Using your own analogy, even though all the early guys have basically admitted to trying to imitate italo trax when coming up with the detroit techno sound I would find it just as odd to see the Rome Italo Fest(hypothetical event, don't pm me asking when it takes place :) headlined by cybotron while the originators of the italo sound pushed to play at noon. Even though they definitely took the italo sound and helped it grow into something more. I really would think it odd. Same thing here. Nobody's arguing for the exclusion of detoit influenced artists who are relevant to the sound we love, but the argument is that first priority should be given to the originators, then the hometown sound pushers, then the out of town sound pushers, and LASTLY the filler sideshow acts (breakcore, trance acts, etc). even though I know some feel that it has absolutely no place at the fest, I'd put money down that it wouldn't be much of an issue if they were all given the early slots and the respect chain was obvious. Now for all I know, paxahaus may have all the respect in the world for the real D (hell, rob hood anyone?) but I'm saying it's not as obvious as it should be in the lineup. A simple case of them not putting the money where their mouth is (in the hands of Detroit techno). I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but does anyone here think that POTD and the rest are really relevant to Detroit? k -Original Message- From: disrupt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:15 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno Yes Tom! Highly interesting discussion, with all its ups and downs, ultimately about the state of Detroit today. Maybe a new line of thought on this: for sure Detroit music influenced many people around the globe, many ripped it off, some took it and went forward (like the Dutch crew, Berlin, etc.), the whole plus and minus of it revealed itself over the last years. BUT: didn't Detroit music got influenced by other music as well over the time? Sucking those influences in, processing and using them in it's unique way? For sure it didn't 100% generate from Zero and from itself only. It's not a closed-in microcosm, completely sealed off from the world. So: shouldn't this fact be reflected in the DEMF lineup somehow? Detroit certainly gave a lot but I think it also 'took', works both channels. What can be discussed, of course, are the porportions of this give/take share and how it ultimately is weighed in the lineup. Anyway, keep it going. Such thoughts have to be processed. Jan On Thu, 18 May 2006 08:22:54 -0400, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : On 5/17/06, as if .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom .. for starters I like you passion .. ' thanks ;) You are suggesting that the only people who can call their Techno Detroit Techno are people who are born and raised in Detroit. ummm, that is a bit obvious, right? i mean i guess you dont necessarily have to have lived every second of your life in detroit to qualify, but certainly a long term connection with the city and its culture should be a requirement. say techno artist X moves to detroit, his music is not now detroit techno, thats for sure. in fact, to me someone like 4 Hero has more to do with detroit techno than someone like the Beretta music people. In a commercial sense you are probably following a clean line of thought. On a personal level I see you trying to protect the energy and truth of the early Detroit Techno. I see you also trying to protect the interests of local Detroit Artists. for me its not only about techno though, its about house and electro and ghetto tech and even soul and hiphop. anything that has a distinctly detroit flavour that is recognizable! every one of those genres that has a sound associated with detroit has been ripped off by and also influenced people outside of detroit. These are all valid things to do. However in order to protect these things you will need to essentially crush what is Detroit Techno into a can cover it in a series of warning labels and putting it on a special shelf for everyone to purchase. i dont necessarily think that is true. the good thing about something as generic as detroit music is ever changing, and will grow to include different genres and different ideas. but it certainly doesnt need to include every single style of music made in detroit. detroit is a large city, im sure theres some polka players there. but there's no detroit polka sound! But unless Detroit Techno took the legal steps to protect the labeling of music under that title then all you are left with is some assumed level of respect from artists outside Detroit that the label belongs only to Detroit artists. I believe if Detroit Techno had done
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Probably a dumb question, but the guys that play later time slots, close the night etc...do they get paid more money? -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 19 May 2006 3:14 a.m. To: disrupt; Thomas D. Cox, Jr. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno I agree that influences are ubiquitous. The question here is about the weighting of importance. Using your own analogy, even though all the early guys have basically admitted to trying to imitate italo trax when coming up with the detroit techno sound I would find it just as odd to see the Rome Italo Fest(hypothetical event, don't pm me asking when it takes place :) headlined by cybotron while the originators of the italo sound pushed to play at noon. Even though they definitely took the italo sound and helped it grow into something more. I really would think it odd. Same thing here. Nobody's arguing for the exclusion of detoit influenced artists who are relevant to the sound we love, but the argument is that first priority should be given to the originators, then the hometown sound pushers, then the out of town sound pushers, and LASTLY the filler sideshow acts (breakcore, trance acts, etc). even though I know some feel that it has absolutely no place at the fest, I'd put money down that it wouldn't be much of an issue if they were all given the early slots and the respect chain was obvious. Now for all I know, paxahaus may have all the respect in the world for the real D (hell, rob hood anyone?) but I'm saying it's not as obvious as it should be in the lineup. A simple case of them not putting the money where their mouth is (in the hands of Detroit techno). I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but does anyone here think that POTD and the rest are really relevant to Detroit? k -Original Message- From: disrupt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:15 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno Yes Tom! Highly interesting discussion, with all its ups and downs, ultimately about the state of Detroit today. Maybe a new line of thought on this: for sure Detroit music influenced many people around the globe, many ripped it off, some took it and went forward (like the Dutch crew, Berlin, etc.), the whole plus and minus of it revealed itself over the last years. BUT: didn't Detroit music got influenced by other music as well over the time? Sucking those influences in, processing and using them in it's unique way? For sure it didn't 100% generate from Zero and from itself only. It's not a closed-in microcosm, completely sealed off from the world. So: shouldn't this fact be reflected in the DEMF lineup somehow? Detroit certainly gave a lot but I think it also 'took', works both channels. What can be discussed, of course, are the porportions of this give/take share and how it ultimately is weighed in the lineup. Anyway, keep it going. Such thoughts have to be processed. Jan On Thu, 18 May 2006 08:22:54 -0400, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : On 5/17/06, as if .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom .. for starters I like you passion .. ' thanks ;) You are suggesting that the only people who can call their Techno Detroit Techno are people who are born and raised in Detroit. ummm, that is a bit obvious, right? i mean i guess you dont necessarily have to have lived every second of your life in detroit to qualify, but certainly a long term connection with the city and its culture should be a requirement. say techno artist X moves to detroit, his music is not now detroit techno, thats for sure. in fact, to me someone like 4 Hero has more to do with detroit techno than someone like the Beretta music people. In a commercial sense you are probably following a clean line of thought. On a personal level I see you trying to protect the energy and truth of the early Detroit Techno. I see you also trying to protect the interests of local Detroit Artists. for me its not only about techno though, its about house and electro and ghetto tech and even soul and hiphop. anything that has a distinctly detroit flavour that is recognizable! every one of those genres that has a sound associated with detroit has been ripped off by and also influenced people outside of detroit. These are all valid things to do. However in order to protect these things you will need to essentially crush what is Detroit Techno into a can cover it in a series of warning labels and putting it on a special shelf for everyone to purchase. i dont necessarily think that is true. the good thing about something as generic as detroit music is ever changing, and will grow to include different genres and different ideas. but it certainly doesnt need to include every single style of music made in detroit. detroit is a large city, im sure theres
RE: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE
this mix is super nice jochem! totally my kinda stuff do you mind if i post the link on CBS? :P -Original Message- From: Peteri, Jochem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 18, 2006 4:52 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE you go past yer mates house when you go see rick? Posh git : ) Ah well www.nwaq.com\154kerstmix.mp3 Yup, last christmas Keep in mind the place was empty untill half way into the mix And people where dancing at the end : ) Even marsel ; ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 18 mei 2006 10:10 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE Rick Astleys dad owns a garden centre near my mates house. I go past it when I go see him. so if anyone requires any compost or other potting plants/garden utensils, be sure to let me know. support the underground gardeners p.s. hello everyone. sorry i havent written, cant think straight. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Hello, All! This topic, debate, concept is at the heart of the colonial experience, every culture that has been colonized has been marginalized too, it is a part of colonization that changes the paradigm such that their colonizers involvement in whatever culture becomes the norm, for example - Australia. What happens during marginalization? - www.dictionary.com mar·gin·al·ize( P ) Pronunciation Key (märj-n-lz) tr.v. mar·gin·al·ized, mar·gin·al·iz·ing, mar·gin·al·iz·es To relegate or confine to a lower or outer limit or edge, as of social standing. margin·al·i·zation (-l-zshn) n. marginalization n : the social process of becoming or being made marginal (especially as a group within the larger society); the marginalization of the underclass; the marginalization of literature [syn: marginalisation] --- During the marginalization process you create an environment that reduces those outside of the culture of the colonizers impotent. For example the colonization process of Hawaii, the native culture of Hawaii was marginalized by colonization / occupation of those Islands, after the culture was marginalized the King was only a figurehead. I would say the Detroit Artists that created the Detroit Techno music Industry (because that's what it is, by the time your art form get's to be a genre it's already an industry) have been marginalized from access to the fruits of those labors, if this were an Electronic Music Festival that was not developed off of the Genre Detroit Techno music, then there would be little expectation of seeing any Detroit Techno artists, DJs, performing. How did we get here? After Derrick May was signed to Kool Kat for management everything changed, as the UK began to embrace the Detroit sound they now had a local goto...Kool Kat, so through Kool Kat the Detroit Techno music genre was infectiously introduced to the UK and as the European label with the main connection to this sound Kool Kat became the European label well known for acces to this sound too. Before Kool Kat there was no direct connection to Detroit Techno nor any way to control the paradigm that Detroit Techno had created which was those Blacks in Detroit sholl is Funky! As Kool Kat provided management they setup remixes and production for DM, KS and JA as this happened the UK Electronic sound was changing, they now had direct access to the Detroit recording process so now Nexus 21 becomes Altern 8 and the Detroit Techno genre becomes Electronica, that would be where the serious marginalization of Detroit Techno truly started. All the Techno charts Kevin Saunderson topped as Inner City were now Electronica charts and it was a lot more fodder there too because with the genre name change you got a whole new set of players added, not from Detroit. After Electronica was established as a genre, the Indie dominance of it would then be marginalized by larger labels and better distribution such that Kool Kat gives way to Ten Virgin Records, and now, other countries in Europe can get their local record labels to see what's possible with this new genre of Electronica it's no longer just about those funky Blacks from Detroit but electronic artists of any color could be a part of the Electronica experience / genre. After fixing the Electronica moniker on their artist's, larger labels poised themselves to leverage this new genre and the ERA of the Techno or House mix is born, (Thanks Kevin). Before Electronica who would expect a Techno mix not from one of Detroit's own? Anybody can do a Techno mix now. Good or Bad, neither, just a recognition of how we got here. So at this point Detroit Techno has been rendered Impotent and as a show of this you can have a Detriot Electronic Music Festival without a majority of Detroit acts. If you have it in Windsor, with a majority of artists from Toronto can you still call it the DEMF? According to this group you can and that's called changing the paradigm. ---www.dictionary.com par·a·digm( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-dm, -dm) n. 1. One that serves as a pattern or model. 2. A set of assumptions, concepts, values, and practices that constitutes a way of viewing reality for the community that shares them, especially in an intellectual discipline. --- In Rebuttal _But unless Detroit Techno took the legal steps to protect the labeling _of music under that title then all you are left with is some assumed level _of respect from artists outside Detroit that the label belongs only to _Detroit artists. Well, if your familiar with copyrights, publishing or trademark laws then this sort of thing is covered under what's called usage, if you have a logo, image or sound that you use regularly for commerce, that's considered usage and it's
(313) berlin, berlin wir fahren nach berlin :)
Hi list, i'm for some days in Berlin (this Saturday 20 - 23 May) and would like to know if somebody could give some hints where to find good discs (new + 2nd hand), restaurants/bars, shoping etc... I was already in Hardwax, WMF and Tresor (a bit too late now hehe) and that's all. Also parties would be cool ! I heard about the one in berghain... looks good. Any info welcome ! Please hit me back in private Cheers, B Can be in English, German, French or Dutch
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Chikka fxcking boom. Facts. Detroit right thurr. k
Re: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE
indeed a great nice nice deep set - Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peteri,Jochem [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: RE: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE this mix is super nice jochem! totally my kinda stuff do you mind if i post the link on CBS? :P -Original Message- From: Peteri, Jochem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 18, 2006 4:52 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE you go past yer mates house when you go see rick? Posh git : ) Ah well www.nwaq.com\154kerstmix.mp3 Yup, last christmas Keep in mind the place was empty untill half way into the mix And people where dancing at the end : ) Even marsel ; ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 18 mei 2006 10:10 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) RICK ASTLEY UPDATE Rick Astleys dad owns a garden centre near my mates house. I go past it when I go see him. so if anyone requires any compost or other potting plants/garden utensils, be sure to let me know. support the underground gardeners p.s. hello everyone. sorry i havent written, cant think straight. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
Re: (313) berlin, berlin wir fahren nach berlin :)
Me to, me to- any info on secret good places to go would be appreciated! Jason On 18 May 2006, at 18:59, mailing wrote: Hi list, i'm for some days in Berlin (this Saturday 20 - 23 May) and would like to know if somebody could give some hints where to find good discs (new + 2nd hand), restaurants/bars, shoping etc... I was already in Hardwax, WMF and Tresor (a bit too late now hehe) and that's all. Also parties would be cool ! I heard about the one in berghain... looks good. Any info welcome ! Please hit me back in private Cheers, B Can be in English, German, French or Dutch
AW: (313) berlin, berlin wir fahren nach berlin :)
hey B... you can get Theo Parrish there this weekend in Berlin. here's the data: 20. Mai 2006 ab 23 Uhr Weekend, Alexanderplatz 5, Berlin-Mitte have fun ! cheers dUb Hi list, i'm for some days in Berlin (this Saturday 20 - 23 May) and would like to know if somebody could give some hints where to find good discs (new + 2nd hand), restaurants/bars, shoping etc... I was already in Hardwax, WMF and Tresor (a bit too late now hehe) and that's all. Also parties would be cool ! I heard about the one in berghain... looks good. Any info welcome ! Please hit me back in private Cheers, B Can be in English, German, French or Dutch
