RE: (313) Murder Capital ... ?
I'm drawing your attention to the last sentence in the paragraph below. FAQ 0.5 from http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/index2.html Thank you for inquiring about 313. This list was set up by myself to be a forum for the discussion of Detroit techno artists or artists directly influenced by Detroit techno artists. That said, it would be no great coincidence if the list followed the same progression as techno music has. That is, just as the works of the original Detroiters has provided the framework on which much of techno music has been built upon so too should the stated purpose of the list serve as the basis for broader discussion. (Kent Williams, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 January 2008 22:24 To: Benoît Pueyo; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Murder Capital ... ? whats this all have to do with music? - Original Message - From: Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: (313) Murder Capital ... ? My personal thought is the fact that Detroit should not be compared to LA or NY ONLY on the Police force side. Just because the economic social differences between these cities are so flagrant that high criminialty in Detroit cannot have a simplistic single root, and then, cannot be solved by a single solution. PS : The average Frenchman has elected a president sharing the idea that increasing Police force is the solution to reduce criminialty : so be sure I dont wanna give any moral lesson, and make myself sounding the way French are perceived abraod ;o) Odeluga, Ken a écrit : http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080103/NEWS01/80103 039 7GID=3lj/i2AWl7DeYVMNkC4agnGBftQ1oHZ96lAMrgzzeFU%3D Paste link into browser. If it gives you some subscription chit, don't worry, it's just a one-question survey and the site's still free. Ken
Re: (313) Digital Djing
Some interesting views from the artist-label point of view come up here. From a consumer's point of view I'd say that vinyl is not the only area of life where we are facing a transition from physical to digital objects. The same problems come up with things like books. I have two opinions on the whole thing. I buy quite a lot of vinyl (I'm not a collector as such but many of the people who know me would completely disagree), my house is full of the stuff. I'm also quite computer literate and have all my digital stuff well managed. As time goes on I'm less and less likely to buy vinyl, unless it's a must have release. I'm less tied to that physical object and the huge advantage to having everything digital is that I can have access to it pretty much anytime, there and then. Since managing all my music digitally (digitised vinyl and downloads) I listen to the music I buy a lot lot more and for the digital stuff the total cost of the music I buy has dropped considerably (for the same amount purchased). Now, I don't know how representative I am of the market for techno/ house out there but I know a lot of friends who used to spend all their money on this stuff and now they've moved on in life (jobs, kids, houses etc) don't buy music at all because of the cost/space etc of vinyl. Because of digital I'll never get to that point where I'll stop so in a sense digital could be a way of retaining some part of a lost market. All that said I'll be very very sad when vinyl disappears but I am resigned to it going eventually. robin...
RE: (313) RE: Smallfish closing
Actually your name's Patrick isn't it. Sorry. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 10:57 To: Leonard, Patrick; list 313 Subject: (313) RE: Smallfish closing Hello Leonard. Actually I thought the shop closed several months ago. The label has indeed continued online since then and appears to be at least keeping it's head above the water. -Original Message- From: Leonard, Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 10:52 To: Odeluga, Ken; list 313 Subject: Smallfish closing Hi all, I read last night that Smallfish record shop in London is closing this month (the label will continue). I think it's a real pity, it was a great shop and one I have lots of good memories of. The best shops are those that you feel influenced you and exposed you to new types of music. The alternative is places like Juno where you go with specific records/labels in mind and stick to that. Anyway best of luck to Mike and the guys! P.
(313) Smallfish closing
Hi all, I read last night that Smallfish record shop in London is closing this month (the label will continue). I think it's a real pity, it was a great shop and one I have lots of good memories of. The best shops are those that you feel influenced you and exposed you to new types of music. The alternative is places like Juno where you go with specific records/labels in mind and stick to that. Anyway best of luck to Mike and the guys! P.
(313) RE: Smallfish closing
Hello Leonard. Actually I thought the shop closed several months ago. The label has indeed continued online since then and appears to be at least keeping it's head above the water. -Original Message- From: Leonard, Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 10:52 To: Odeluga, Ken; list 313 Subject: Smallfish closing Hi all, I read last night that Smallfish record shop in London is closing this month (the label will continue). I think it's a real pity, it was a great shop and one I have lots of good memories of. The best shops are those that you feel influenced you and exposed you to new types of music. The alternative is places like Juno where you go with specific records/labels in mind and stick to that. Anyway best of luck to Mike and the guys! P.
[Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
Just reading this http://www.cybernetic-broadcasting.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12749p=3 It got me to thinking about laptop preformances sounding so sterile and thin, especially over a club PA where you need to feel part of the sound...I wonder if playing a blank sided record through the PA at the same time would fill in that space that seems empty with mp3/laptop, so you feel that 'inaudible' record rumble? How much of the preceived audio loss of mp3 in a club is actually record/surface/player noise? Some interesting views from the artist-label point of view come up here. From a consumer's point of view I'd say that vinyl is not the only area of life where we are facing a transition from physical to digital objects. The same problems come up with things like books. I have two opinions on the whole thing. I buy quite a lot of vinyl (I'm not a collector as such but many of the people who know me would completely disagree), my house is full of the stuff. I'm also quite computer literate and have all my digital stuff well managed. As time goes on I'm less and less likely to buy vinyl, unless it's a must have release. I'm less tied to that physical object and the huge advantage to having everything digital is that I can have access to it pretty much anytime, there and then. Since managing all my music digitally (digitised vinyl and downloads) I listen to the music I buy a lot lot more and for the digital stuff the total cost of the music I buy has dropped considerably (for the same amount purchased). Now, I don't know how representative I am of the market for techno/ house out there but I know a lot of friends who used to spend all their money on this stuff and now they've moved on in life (jobs, kids, houses etc) don't buy music at all because of the cost/space etc of vinyl. Because of digital I'll never get to that point where I'll stop so in a sense digital could be a way of retaining some part of a lost market. All that said I'll be very very sad when vinyl disappears but I am resigned to it going eventually. robin...
Re: (313) RE: Smallfish closing
It closes at the end of January, and there's been quite a sale on for the past month or two. Mike Oliver is an email pal of mine. A pity - great shop. It's folding not because of costs, but time factors and career paths. jeff Odeluga, Ken wrote: Hello Leonard. Actually I thought the shop closed several months ago. The label has indeed continued online since then and appears to be at least keeping it's head above the water. --- Hi all, I read last night that Smallfish record shop in London is closing this month (the label will continue).
(313) DANCE BRITANNIA
Not perfect but OK, check the acid house expert :) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=dance+britanniago=Find +Programmes m
Re: (313) Murder Capital ... ?
Dalston From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:56:29 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org Conversation: (313) Murder Capital ... ? Subject: RE: (313) Murder Capital ... ? Did anybody actually reply about what was in the subject line of this thread? Whatever. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 14:43 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Murder Capital ... ? that guy and the corny scientist out all in one day. must be a full moon. no offense, but full moon was 24 dec dude... back when neil posted. its good to keep up with these things :-) -- chuck
Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
JT Stewart a écrit : if you recorded at a super high bitrate, it would be pretty dang close. but still, what you would have is a snapshot, translated into 0's and 1's. at the micro scale, all the soft edges in an analog record get turned into jagged edges..the sound is necessarily altered during the analog-to-digital conversion. visualize it as you would a digital picture -- similarly, with a digital recording, when you zoom in far enough you can see that it is made of countless identically sized pixels. with an analog recording, there is no neat configuration of individual pixelswhat you would see would be fuzzy, or round, and would contain a myriad of both regular and irrregular shapes. Maybe this has already been discussed, but most of the electronic music, even produced by analogue instrument, is recorded on a digital medium (computer, DAT, CD...), isn't it ? I don't even talk about music produced with digital instruments or going though digital mixers (which can be even used during the mastering process). I mean, Ive never seen in my life any producer bringing all his analogue instruments to play live the track through the mastering studio to record the vinyl galvanics. So even the vinyl has some part of 'digital' in it IMO. To me there is no perfect 'analogue' electronic vinyl. Agreed another more AD + DA conversion due to vinyl encoding removes anyway some more 'data', but is that significant compared to what I've just described ? -- Benoît.
Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
Perhaps playing a silent record is going to far :) ... but it's a fair point. Still, if your file's digitized from vinyl you would get all the benefits of the medium in the audio quality too, I guess? I've never had any comment that the sound coming from my laptop is any different to that coming from the deck sat next to it when playing at a club. I digitise my own vinyl and mostly use wavs/aiffs and if I use MP3s then they are high bitrate. I was worried when making the move from vinyl to digital that sound quality would suffer so I paid attention to it. Most DJs are so bad with sound engineering (yes, even famous ones - we can all name a few) and most club turntables are so badly set up that it's always going to be difficult to tell the difference anyway. Not that most club PAs are up to much anyway. Anyway, I can feel a telling off from Francis coming so I better shut up :) robin...
RE: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
Perhaps playing a silent record is going to far :) ... but it's a fair point. Still, if your file's digitized from vinyl you would get all the benefits of the medium in the audio quality too, I guess? -Original Message- From: pauley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 13:35 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing] Just reading this http://www.cybernetic-broadcasting.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12749p=3 It got me to thinking about laptop preformances sounding so sterile and thin, especially over a club PA where you need to feel part of the sound...I wonder if playing a blank sided record through the PA at the same time would fill in that space that seems empty with mp3/laptop, so you feel that 'inaudible' record rumble? How much of the preceived audio loss of mp3 in a club is actually record/surface/player noise? Some interesting views from the artist-label point of view come up here. From a consumer's point of view I'd say that vinyl is not the only area of life where we are facing a transition from physical to digital objects. The same problems come up with things like books. I have two opinions on the whole thing. I buy quite a lot of vinyl (I'm not a collector as such but many of the people who know me would completely disagree), my house is full of the stuff. I'm also quite computer literate and have all my digital stuff well managed. As time goes on I'm less and less likely to buy vinyl, unless it's a must have release. I'm less tied to that physical object and the huge advantage to having everything digital is that I can have access to it pretty much anytime, there and then. Since managing all my music digitally (digitised vinyl and downloads) I listen to the music I buy a lot lot more and for the digital stuff the total cost of the music I buy has dropped considerably (for the same amount purchased). Now, I don't know how representative I am of the market for techno/ house out there but I know a lot of friends who used to spend all their money on this stuff and now they've moved on in life (jobs, kids, houses etc) don't buy music at all because of the cost/space etc of vinyl. Because of digital I'll never get to that point where I'll stop so in a sense digital could be a way of retaining some part of a lost market. All that said I'll be very very sad when vinyl disappears but I am resigned to it going eventually. robin...
RE: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA
Unfortunately... Sorry, this programme is only available to play in the UK G -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 12:41 To: 313 313 Subject: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA Not perfect but OK, check the acid house expert :) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=dance+britanniago=Find +Programmes m
Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
0's and 1's. at the micro scale, all the soft edges in an analog record recording, doh
Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
if you recorded at a super high bitrate, it would be pretty dang close. but still, what you would have is a snapshot, translated into 0's and 1's. at the micro scale, all the soft edges in an analog record get turned into jagged edges..the sound is necessarily altered during the analog-to-digital conversion. visualize it as you would a digital picture -- similarly, with a digital recording, when you zoom in far enough you can see that it is made of countless identically sized pixels. with an analog recording, there is no neat configuration of individual pixelswhat you would see would be fuzzy, or round, and would contain a myriad of both regular and irrregular shapes. @robin yes yes of course, that's your preference. trust me, your resignation to the disappearance of vinyl from your life does not represent the world. i sell 78's for a living, which were essentially completely discontinued 50 years ago (except in africa, where they were pressed well into the 80's). it's a small but very established market. the vinyl market is exponentially larger. just because you and your friends are getting old and losing interest, don't be mistaken...there are people who will be voracious record collectors probably for centuries to come, regardless of whether it is still being manufactured or not. ps i can tell the difference between a laptop and a record in a club (that i'm familiar with) without much effort if i bother to try to...i rarely bother. if i'm in an unfamilar spot, well shoot, who knows, maybe i couldn't say for sure whether it was an mp3 or a live band hidden from sight.. On Jan 4, 2008 8:43 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps playing a silent record is going to far :) ... but it's a fair point. Still, if your file's digitized from vinyl you would get all the benefits of the medium in the audio quality too, I guess?
Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
You know, like there's so much silence comes from an mp3/laptop that you can't hear the music... Brilliant, reminds me of this: Beans, in cans, how handy is that. Bez m
RE: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
Not even needing the hiss or crackle, just the atmosphere created by the surface, the sound of the space created by the needle/record/platter motor. A deep rumble. Laptop performances in clubs make the place space feel very empty, like being in a vacuum and needing to pop your ears, or surrounded by people who are dancing, but dancing in the same room but at a different time, and you're kind of on your own. You know, like there's so much silence comes from an mp3/laptop that you can't hear the music... The flip is like having an aircon unit humming outside your room all day and night, not too intrusive and you can get used to it, then it stops, and it's like something uncomfortable has suddenly been turned on. Silence being deafening and all that...You can definately feel a record beyond it's audible inscriptions... Yeah, but an mp3 of vinyl crackle would be a compressed, digital approximation of the analogue source, so (assuming this argument holds water) would still sound less 'warm' than a slab of vinyl with nothing but, err, hiss and crackle on it. Like some uber-mnml m-nus release ;) But anyway, this is getting waaay too zen for me. N Perhaps playing a silent record is going to far :) ... but it's a fair point. Still, if your file's digitized from vinyl you would get all the benefits of the medium in the audio quality too, I guess? -Original Message- From: pauley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 13:35 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing] Just reading this http://www.cybernetic-broadcasting.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12749p=3 It got me to thinking about laptop preformances sounding so sterile and thin, especially over a club PA where you need to feel part of the sound...I wonder if playing a blank sided record through the PA at the same time would fill in that space that seems empty with mp3/laptop, so you feel that 'inaudible' record rumble? How much of the preceived audio loss of mp3 in a club is actually record/surface/player noise? Some interesting views from the artist-label point of view come up here. From a consumer's point of view I'd say that vinyl is not the only area of life where we are facing a transition from physical to digital objects. The same problems come up with things like books. I have two opinions on the whole thing. I buy quite a lot of vinyl (I'm not a collector as such but many of the people who know me would completely disagree), my house is full of the stuff. I'm also quite computer literate and have all my digital stuff well managed. As time goes on I'm less and less likely to buy vinyl, unless it's a must have release. I'm less tied to that physical object and the huge advantage to having everything digital is that I can have access to it pretty much anytime, there and then. Since managing all my music digitally (digitised vinyl and downloads) I listen to the music I buy a lot lot more and for the digital stuff the total cost of the music I buy has dropped considerably (for the same amount purchased). Now, I don't know how representative I am of the market for techno/ house out there but I know a lot of friends who used to spend all their money on this stuff and now they've moved on in life (jobs, kids, houses etc) don't buy music at all because of the cost/space etc of vinyl. Because of digital I'll never get to that point where I'll stop so in a sense digital could be a way of retaining some part of a lost market. All that said I'll be very very sad when vinyl disappears but I am resigned to it going eventually. robin...
Re: (313) Murder Capital ... ?
that guy and the corny scientist out all in one day. must be a full moon. no offense, but full moon was 24 dec dude... back when neil posted. its good to keep up with these things :-) -- chuck
Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
@robin yes yes of course, that's your preference. trust me, your resignation to the disappearance of vinyl from your life does not represent the world. Absolutely. There's plenty of room for misinterpretation here - I'm just presenting a point of view that's common. As it happens I hold two points of view and I still buy lots of vinyl. Actually because of my internal battle here I just don't care how any of this is reproduced in a club. There's crappy djing using all media and it seems to me that the art of djing is slowly being lost. At least in the clubs I frequent. Maybe I'm just becoming more pragmatic in my old age. Who knows? All I can say is because of the way I can access music now (via various means) my enthusiasm for new electronic music has never been greater. If others like me feel that too that can only be a good thing for the music we love. robin...
RE: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
Yeah, but an mp3 of vinyl crackle would be a compressed, digital approximation of the analogue source, so (assuming this argument holds water) would still sound less 'warm' than a slab of vinyl with nothing but, err, hiss and crackle on it. Like some uber-mnml m-nus release ;) But anyway, this is getting waaay too zen for me. N Perhaps playing a silent record is going to far :) ... but it's a fair point. Still, if your file's digitized from vinyl you would get all the benefits of the medium in the audio quality too, I guess? -Original Message- From: pauley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 13:35 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing] Just reading this http://www.cybernetic-broadcasting.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12749p=3 It got me to thinking about laptop preformances sounding so sterile and thin, especially over a club PA where you need to feel part of the sound...I wonder if playing a blank sided record through the PA at the same time would fill in that space that seems empty with mp3/laptop, so you feel that 'inaudible' record rumble? How much of the preceived audio loss of mp3 in a club is actually record/surface/player noise? Some interesting views from the artist-label point of view come up here. From a consumer's point of view I'd say that vinyl is not the only area of life where we are facing a transition from physical to digital objects. The same problems come up with things like books. I have two opinions on the whole thing. I buy quite a lot of vinyl (I'm not a collector as such but many of the people who know me would completely disagree), my house is full of the stuff. I'm also quite computer literate and have all my digital stuff well managed. As time goes on I'm less and less likely to buy vinyl, unless it's a must have release. I'm less tied to that physical object and the huge advantage to having everything digital is that I can have access to it pretty much anytime, there and then. Since managing all my music digitally (digitised vinyl and downloads) I listen to the music I buy a lot lot more and for the digital stuff the total cost of the music I buy has dropped considerably (for the same amount purchased). Now, I don't know how representative I am of the market for techno/ house out there but I know a lot of friends who used to spend all their money on this stuff and now they've moved on in life (jobs, kids, houses etc) don't buy music at all because of the cost/space etc of vinyl. Because of digital I'll never get to that point where I'll stop so in a sense digital could be a way of retaining some part of a lost market. All that said I'll be very very sad when vinyl disappears but I am resigned to it going eventually. robin...
Re: (313) RE: Smallfish closing
What's the general state of vinyl shops on the continent? Are mainland Euro shops closing at the same rate as US UK shops? MEK theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/04/2008 06:33:27 AM: It closes at the end of January, and there's been quite a sale on for the past month or two. Mike Oliver is an email pal of mine. A pity - great shop. It's folding not because of costs, but time factors and career paths. jeff Odeluga, Ken wrote: Hello Leonard. Actually I thought the shop closed several months ago. The label has indeed continued online since then and appears to be at least keeping it's head above the water. --- Hi all, I read last night that Smallfish record shop in London is closing this month (the label will continue).
RE: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA
bugger - maybe it'll end up on Youtube MEK Williams, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/04/2008 06:50:36 AM: Unfortunately... Sorry, this programme is only available to play in the UK G -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 12:41 To: 313 313 Subject: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA Not perfect but OK, check the acid house expert :) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=dance+britanniago=Find +Programmes m
RE: (313) Murder Capital ... ?
Did anybody actually reply about what was in the subject line of this thread? Whatever. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 14:43 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Murder Capital ... ? that guy and the corny scientist out all in one day. must be a full moon. no offense, but full moon was 24 dec dude... back when neil posted. its good to keep up with these things :-) -- chuck
Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
I'm not really up my on physics, but if you zoom in far enough into an analog recording at a subatomic level aren't there discrete steps (or does it just keep going?) -Jim Quoting JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: if you recorded at a super high bitrate, it would be pretty dang close. but still, what you would have is a snapshot, translated into 0's and 1's. at the micro scale, all the soft edges in an analog record get turned into jagged edges..
Re: (313) Digital Djing - Organization
IF (and only IF) your MP3s are all properly tagged by artist and album, ITunes will do a good job of 1) finding them all over your computer and 2) building a directory tree with all the files sorted by artist/album. Of course, what really happens is that you end up with 300 hours of music by 'unknown artist' that you have to go back and do forensic re-tagging to get things into a semblance of order ;-) On Jan 4, 2008 10:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a pretty small record collection that I sort by vibe but way too many mp3s strewn all over the place in different folders due to often restoring my pc from a backup image. I'm curious as to how you guys are organizing all your digital music? -Jim
Re: (313) Digital Djing - Organization
I've got a pretty small record collection that I sort by vibe but way too many mp3s strewn all over the place in different folders due to often restoring my pc from a backup image. I'm curious as to how you guys are organizing all your digital music? -Jim
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totally right benoit, excellent point...although i do personally know some people who lay it down in the studio onto tape with little to no digital in the mix, but that's besides the point. the important question is whether the difference is significant, which comes down to psychoacousticsdepending on how your brain communicates with your ears, it may or may not be discernible. we're already at a point where digital recording is technically superior, when you look at statistics and numbers etc -- but psychoacoustically, it's fundamentally different, like the difference between polyester and silk, or something. actually i think we are probably beyond that, just not at the consumer level. i was thinking about how digital recordings are pixellated at the most microscopic level -- and how that might be compared to grains of sand as well. but glass is made of sand. we are getting to the point, or have already gotten to the point, where digital recordings can contain so much absolutely minute detail that the pixels can not be discerned even psychoacoustically, the recording is glass. but this is veering off-track into analog v digital technical nonsense. i see the view that digital _files_ are now a complete solution to music, making former physical formats obsolete, as a philosophical question dealing with the importance of physical reality and experience (in this case, disregarding it). shake wrote me something that sums it up succinctly if you never knew what the real things was or were, it is almost impossible to explain. the access to music that digital files allow and all that is great when viewed narrowly -- valuing the music only and disregarding context. but it is inarguably a deeper experience which allows deeper understanding to hold a record/tape/cd in your hands than to have a digital file of it. the object may only be connected to the artist by degrees of separation, but it still contains actual insight into the artist/music and tells a story just by virtue of existing in the physical world. digital files tell no story (yet), it is pure audio and nothing else but a file extension, file creation date, and stuff like that, all of which are not solid, they can manipulated, lost...it ain't real. we had this discussion on c-b-s, and a professional digital archiver chimed in to support the power of the real, and that giving digital files more attributes, a way to record their virtual existence, is the next step towards giving them any sort of the power and cultural relevance that objects in the real world have. Maybe this has already been discussed, but most of the electronic music, even produced by analogue instrument, is recorded on a digital medium (computer, DAT, CD...), isn't it ? I don't even talk about music produced with digital instruments or going though digital mixers (which can be even used during the mastering process). I mean, Ive never seen in my life any producer bringing all his analogue instruments to play live the track through the mastering studio to record the vinyl galvanics. So even the vinyl has some part of 'digital' in it IMO. To me there is no perfect 'analogue' electronic vinyl. Agreed another more AD + DA conversion due to vinyl encoding removes anyway some more 'data', but is that significant compared to what I've just described ? -- Benoît.
RE: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA
I thought it was a good programme. It covered a lot of ground with very broad strokes, but it still got me in the mood for a massive illegal warehouse rave. In fact, when it finished I rinsed out Stakker Humanoid until my ears bled. bugger - maybe it'll end up on Youtube MEK Williams, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/04/2008 06:50:36 AM: Unfortunately... Sorry, this programme is only available to play in the UK G -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 12:41 To: 313 313 Subject: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA Not perfect but OK, check the acid house expert :) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=dance+britanniago=Find +Programmes m
Re: (313) Digital Djing - Organization
Yeah. I learned that the hard way. Exacerbating the problem, in my case, was the fact that iTunes eats long filenames when it imports an mp3 into the library. So I had 50 files named Host - The Mechanica[1-50].mp3... or something. Trying to figure out airdates of 10+ year old radio shows is not an easy task. However, iTune's organization functions are preferable to doing it by hand. If you have vinyl rips, just do them in bite size-chunks, make a playlist to hold stuff that you import, and get everything named whatnot. I keep discogs open in a seperate window and pull album art over too, nowadays. If the new Winamp has a similar built-in Organization function, I may ditch iTunes, though, since I don't have an iPod anymore. I've always considered Winamp's sound fidelity to be superior. If you're on a mac or own an iPod, disregard that last statement. On Jan 4, 2008 10:22 AM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IF (and only IF) your MP3s are all properly tagged by artist and album, ITunes will do a good job of 1) finding them all over your computer and 2) building a directory tree with all the files sorted by artist/album. Of course, what really happens is that you end up with 300 hours of music by 'unknown artist' that you have to go back and do forensic re-tagging to get things into a semblance of order ;-) On Jan 4, 2008 10:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a pretty small record collection that I sort by vibe but way too many mp3s strewn all over the place in different folders due to often restoring my pc from a backup image. I'm curious as to how you guys are organizing all your digital music? -Jim
Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
there are, but they have infinitely varying shapes, intervals, etc, as opposed to digital, which is made of identical little blocks, if you will. On Jan 4, 2008 11:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not really up my on physics, but if you zoom in far enough into an analog recording at a subatomic level aren't there discrete steps (or does it just keep going?) -Jim Quoting JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: if you recorded at a super high bitrate, it would be pretty dang close. but still, what you would have is a snapshot, translated into 0's and 1's. at the micro scale, all the soft edges in an analog record get turned into jagged edges..
Re: (313) Digital Djing - Organization
The best strategy is to use the OS Search function to find all the loose MP3s on your machine, and marshal them into one place, where you can use a tool like 'Tag and Rename' to get the tags right. Then let iTunes (or some other librarian program) organize them for you... On Jan 4, 2008 10:29 AM, Thor Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. I learned that the hard way. Exacerbating the problem, in my case, was the fact that iTunes eats long filenames when it imports an mp3 into the library. So I had 50 files named Host - The Mechanica[1-50].mp3... or something. Trying to figure out airdates of 10+ year old radio shows is not an easy task. However, iTune's organization functions are preferable to doing it by hand. If you have vinyl rips, just do them in bite size-chunks, make a playlist to hold stuff that you import, and get everything named whatnot. I keep discogs open in a seperate window and pull album art over too, nowadays. If the new Winamp has a similar built-in Organization function, I may ditch iTunes, though, since I don't have an iPod anymore. I've always considered Winamp's sound fidelity to be superior. If you're on a mac or own an iPod, disregard that last statement. On Jan 4, 2008 10:22 AM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IF (and only IF) your MP3s are all properly tagged by artist and album, ITunes will do a good job of 1) finding them all over your computer and 2) building a directory tree with all the files sorted by artist/album. Of course, what really happens is that you end up with 300 hours of music by 'unknown artist' that you have to go back and do forensic re-tagging to get things into a semblance of order ;-) On Jan 4, 2008 10:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a pretty small record collection that I sort by vibe but way too many mp3s strewn all over the place in different folders due to often restoring my pc from a backup image. I'm curious as to how you guys are organizing all your digital music? -Jim
Re: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA
Haha. Off topic, but I participated in the Iowa Caucus last night, and we had 576 people crammed into a room designed for 200, all sweating balls. I was there to help clean up, and the only thing missing from rave clean up was the cigarette butts. The poor kids who attend that school will be smelling Democratic armpits still this morning... On Jan 4, 2008 9:39 AM, Nik Stoltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was a good programme. It covered a lot of ground with very broad strokes, but it still got me in the mood for a massive illegal warehouse rave. In fact, when it finished I rinsed out Stakker Humanoid until my ears bled.
Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
A needle wiggling in a groove is a continuous function of the original signal. A digital recording is a a digital piecewise approximation. In the end it doesn't really matter -- to my ears it all sounds good when the music itself is good. On Jan 4, 2008 10:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not really up my on physics, but if you zoom in far enough into an analog recording at a subatomic level aren't there discrete steps (or does it just keep going?)
Re: (313) Austin Texas shops?
Hi Michael, My favorite shop in town is backspin records. Nice selection and run by some friendly guys. They just moved to a new location on airport blvd which I haven't visited yet but the old shop was sweet. -Jim Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Planning on attending SXSW this year and want to hit some record shops as the big record convention isn't happening again until October this year. Going to try to schedule in at least one extra full day just for shopping. Interested in: 60s-70s funk/soul (45s LPs), jazz-funk/jazz-fusion, and techno/broken beats/house. anyone make some suggestions? are there any Austin located 313ers? MEK
(313) Austin Texas shops?
Planning on attending SXSW this year and want to hit some record shops as the big record convention isn't happening again until October this year. Going to try to schedule in at least one extra full day just for shopping. Interested in: 60s-70s funk/soul (45s LPs), jazz-funk/jazz-fusion, and techno/broken beats/house. anyone make some suggestions? are there any Austin located 313ers? MEK
Re: (313) Digital Djing - Organization
If the new Winamp has a similar built-in Organization function, I may ditch iTunes, though, since I don't have an iPod anymore. I've always considered Winamp's sound fidelity to be superior. If you like winamp you`ll love this guide: http://www.techspot.com/tweaks/winamp/. It has a section on replacing the winamp decoder with a better one (the Shibatch mpg123, at page 2). Although i`d doubt anyone hears the difference. Personally however I, prefer foobar2000, especially in combination with the foodiscogs plugin for tagging. :-D Peter
Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
JT Stewart a écrit : the access to music that digital files allow and all that is great when viewed narrowly -- valuing the music only and disregarding context. but it is inarguably a deeper experience which allows deeper understanding to hold a record/tape/cd in your hands than to have a digital file of it. the object may only be connected to the artist by degrees of separation, but it still contains actual insight into the artist/music and tells a story just by virtue of existing in the physical world. digital files tell no story (yet), it is pure audio and nothing else but a file extension, file creation date, and stuff like that, all of which are not solid, they can manipulated, lost...it ain't real. To me, this whole concept of : the music associated to a physical object makes it better does not hold. If it's good, it's good and it should suffice to tell the story. I'm stating the obvious saying you could have a crappy record with great artwork. Music is immaterial and I'm amazed how many people want to associate some physical item to it. I see that as a collector thing. Sure there are some people who collects who also are music lovers, but there's also those who collect just to have that item.
Re: (313) Digital Djing - Organization
Personally however I, prefer foobar2000, especially in combination with the foodiscogs plugin for tagging. :-D Pete Thanks for the mention as I wrote this plugin :) discussion/download/screenshots of foo_discogs: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=50523
Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
To me, this whole concept of : the music associated to a physical object makes it better does not hold. well, that's not my argument. the object does not make the music itself any better or worse. it is just a vessel that contains more cultural artifacts and other contextual/background information than nebulous digital files, which contain virtually none. music is immaterial. it does not, however, exist in a vacuum, and your understanding and appreciation of music and all forms of art is enhanced by understanding the context in which it existed/exists. it is one thing to hear an old blues record. it is quite another to hold an old blues record in your hands. you hold a piece of time and culture that has everything to do with the music.
Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
the difference is like comparing a strobe like to a fluorescent light. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing] I'm not really up my on physics, but if you zoom in far enough into an analog recording at a subatomic level aren't there discrete steps (or does it just keep going?) -Jim Quoting JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: if you recorded at a super high bitrate, it would be pretty dang close. but still, what you would have is a snapshot, translated into 0's and 1's. at the micro scale, all the soft edges in an analog record get turned into jagged edges..
Re: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA
I DIDN'T READ YOUR EMAIL, BTW (but thanks again for the read receipt, douche) - Original Message - From: Williams, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 7:50 AM Subject: RE: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA Unfortunately... Sorry, this programme is only available to play in the UK G -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 12:41 To: 313 313 Subject: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA Not perfect but OK, check the acid house expert :) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=dance+britanniago=Find +Programmes m
Re: (313) Murder Capital ... ?
I hope not. I'll teach you all a lesson yet. :P - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: RE: (313) Murder Capital ... ? Did anybody actually reply about what was in the subject line of this thread? Whatever. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 14:43 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Murder Capital ... ? that guy and the corny scientist out all in one day. must be a full moon. no offense, but full moon was 24 dec dude... back when neil posted. its good to keep up with these things :-) -- chuck
Re: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA
bring the noise :-/ MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/04/2008 04:34:12 PM: I DIDN'T READ YOUR EMAIL, BTW (but thanks again for the read receipt, douche) - Original Message - From: Williams, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 7:50 AM Subject: RE: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA Unfortunately... Sorry, this programme is only available to play in the UK G -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 12:41 To: 313 313 Subject: (313) DANCE BRITANNIA Not perfect but OK, check the acid house expert :) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=dance+britanniago=Find +Programmes m
(313) Wire Magazine back issues?
looking for some old back issues of the Wire featuring 4 Hero articles #138 | DJ Spooky | August 1995 #165 | Jim O'Rourke | November 1997 anyone have these? MEK
