Re: [313] Alton Miller in London
so this was on last week??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 19/04/2002 02:01:26 PM To:313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:[313] Alton Miller in London ** Entertainment UK Limited Registered Office: 243 Blyth Road, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 1DN. Registered in England Numbered 409775 This e-mail is only intended for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions or comments are personal to the writer and do not represent the official view of the company. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you for your co-operation. ** Check http://www.third-ear.net/music/publicheroes/# >From Detroit comes longtime DJ and Producer Alton Miller with releases on KMS and Planet-E to his ever growing list of prodution credits. Gilbert Cohen (or Gilb-r) has championed the French house / hip-hop / drum & bass sound on his own Versatile label (responsible for I:Cube amongst others and his own Chateau Flight, DJ Gilb-r and Cheek releases), and has become a world renowned DJ in his own right. In the lounge we see Berlin in the house as Thomas Fehlman, Gudrun Gut and Daniel Meteo bring the Ocean Club electro-pop-click-techno-house sound to the capital with Bus from Berlin / Pole's Scape label playing live. A.J Letty holds the whole thing together, with Nick Craddock in support. In 1991 Alton recorded his first release, Pleasure Baby, for Serious Grooves/KMS. I Like Having You, his second release recorded for Cyren is considered a classic among House djs worldwide. This single was also a debut for his vocal talents. Alton's third single, Dusk, recorded under the pseudonym Aphrodisiac for Serious Grooves/KMS was critically acclaimed on both European and North American charts. Since his early recordings, Alton has amassed worldwide success and exposure as a House producer/dj. For the last two years Alton has been busy releasing singles/EPs for various independent labels. Guidance Recordings and BPM Records were plateaus for Alton's inner growth as a musician and songwriter/producer. The Rare Source EP recorded in Paris for BPM charted in Muzik's 100 top songs of 1996. Past releases include recordings for Carl Craig's Planet E, Distance Recordings and Orange Dance Company. Alton has teamed with one of Detroit's premier playwright and songwriting talents, Dorothea Sharon on their debut single "Glory" for the Japanese based label LifeLine records. His album for Distance Records is received rave reviews for it's musical representation of everything that is dance music. Also, look for his Lifeline album called closer to be released early 2002. Also, he has a King Street project scheduled for release in April 2002 called "Love Inside" He has also started his own label, Muse Recordings which has one release to date under it's belt with another due out in the new year titled "Look Inside." Alton teams up with long time friend Malik Alston to form a production duo called A-Minor for this project. Also, look out for another release on Trackmode records called "Paradise" with remixes by Larry Heard and Kemiticjust to follow. His remix credits to date are as follows: Sean Deason's "Allegory+Metaphor" on intuit-solar, Jacob Desvarieux's An Di Adie on distance,Supaka Pooh's "Aya" on Flower Records,Kenny Carvel's "Rise" featuring John Redmond on Music 101 and Lorca's "I Cry" featuring Mandel Turner on f-com. >From 1989 to present Alton has toured France, Chile, England, Japan, Switzerland, Portugal and Germany defining House music to the world as he has experienced and lives it. Alton's intimate connection with the drums and varied African influenced rhythms result in compositions that move people physically and emotionally, and hearing him dj defines what House music is all about! In 2001 at the Detroit Electronic Music Festival, Alton played back to back with Gilb'r, creating the soundtrack to an everlasting afternoon. Public Heroes seeks to recreate that magic moment by once again teaming Alton and Gilb'r together for a night of what promises to be ecstatic house music.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
[313] gherkin jerks
Hiya list, Can anyone tell me anything about Larry Heard's Gherkin Jerks record? It's been repressed and was hitherto extremely rare. Good? Al -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] hood tracks ID
Hiya, I've recently got a Rob Hood mix from Energy Zurich 1996. It contains these two beauties: 1) http://www.brightlightslittlecity.com/stuff/hood1.wav 2) http://www.brightlightslittlecity.com/stuff/hood3.wav Can anyone identify them? They sound like the man himself. Cheers, Al -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] UR SID #1-5 for sale on ebay
Well, the first Boards of Canada album on Scam recently went for £700 on ebay... "Ja'Maul Redmond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 21/03/2002 02:10:22 PM To:"'313@hyperreal.org'" <313@hyperreal.org> cc: Subject:RE: [313] UR SID #1-5 for sale on ebay this is ridiculous,, $285 for 5 records,,,please,, I don't care how rare they are. -Original Message- From: Pryor, Ryan N [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 2:27 AM To: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: [313] UR SID #1-5 for sale on ebay For a ridiculous amount of money I might add!!! >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852894350 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] planet e website
After about year of checking it, something has happened on the dormant planet e website. What next, some new releases??? Al -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] rick wilhite
Have got the first 3 chairs records (as it was recently repressed - bad luck to that man who paid £45 for it on ebay), and for my money Rick Wilhite is the star of the show. He seems to be able to nonchalantly weave together juxtaposing samples perfectly. What else is recommended by him? -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] am I the only one who is getting sick of deleting posts about jungle???
Debates about whether something is music are truly futile.
I just think that a neutral observer would find a lot of the posts on here
not only narrow minded and elitist ("I'm fed up of talking about jungle",
"It's not really music") but downright contradictory. The London broken
beat scene is championed on this list, and what did that scene spawn out
of? D 'n' bassers returning to more rootsy music. Labels like Reinforced
have been every bit as pioneering as their Detroit counterparts for the
last 12 years. How can you dismiss this music?
"Mike Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 26/01/2002 07:27:35 AM
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Subject: [313] am I the only one who is getting sick of deleting posts
about jungle???
If you care that much, read some old Simon Reynold's articles.
Really, the Reese bassline comes from KMS.
Acid House+Detroit+Hip-Hop+England in 1990=Hardcore
Harcore+1993=Jungle
Detroit>Jungle
None of this is music, Every last one of you are Little Richard's
bitches...
And we were doing so good with music content this week.
take care,
mt
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Re: [313] Bobbins
I do and I thought it was great [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 25/01/2002 04:19:47 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: [313] Bobbins Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Mr Magic Feet will not thank me for saying this, but he nearly shares his name with a little bit of English rhyming slang. E.g. "What do you think of that dope new So Solid mix little Johnny?" "It's f***in Tim Robbins that mate" By the way Tom, what happened to the rather excellent little magazine you used to do? Any other 313ers remember that? - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] 2001 gems
As it's still near the beginning of the year, I thought that this is still a relevant topic. Over the last few weeks there have been loads of lists in magazines, net etc. with top lists of 2001. While I don't slavishly go out and buy all the top 10 records, I do find these useful to check I haven't missed anything major which I should have bought. I bought Cannibal Ox "The Cold Vein" the other day, which has turned out to be really interesting "musical" hip hop (although I'm not a big fan of the genre). Has anyone any comments on this album, or any albums which they resisted buying / didn't hear about all year, and have now bought, and recommend. Cheers. -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: [313] inside out
but where did the name "reese bassline" come from? "robin pinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 25/01/2002 11:08:16 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: [313] inside out > > Pardon my ignorance but the drum and bass people around 5 years ago were > all doing variations on a fat bassline sound, which they called a Reese > bassline. Although pretty easy to synthesize, I think that a KMS record's > bassline was widely sampled for this. I thought when I picked up 'bassline' > that it would be that one, but I don't think so. Have I just invented this, > or does someone know what I'm talking about? i know what yer talking aboutthe reese bassline is in vogue again now. check anything by mr.sliff (a beyer alterego) or diabla by funk d'void and by now a million other copyists robin... -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] it's all over my face
Does anyone know whether Loose Joints' "It's all over my face" is easy enough to get hold of / on vinyl compilations etc. ? -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: [313] inside out
Pardon my ignorance but the drum and bass people around 5 years ago were all doing variations on a fat bassline sound, which they called a Reese bassline. Although pretty easy to synthesize, I think that a KMS record's bassline was widely sampled for this. I thought when I picked up 'bassline' that it would be that one, but I don't think so. Have I just invented this, or does someone know what I'm talking about? Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 25/01/2002 10:29:59 AM To: "Niko Tzoukmanis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: [313] inside out The Uk release on Network records of this on red vinyl had 'bassline' and 'Funky, funk funk' > > From: Niko Tzoukmanis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri 25/Jan/2002 11:19 CET > To: "Mark S Flintoft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [313] inside out > > isn't that bside track called > 'funky, funk, funk' > > At 05:04 25.01.02 -0500, you wrote: > >Reese Bassline / Inside-Out Fragile FRG-04 > > > >A Bassline > >B Inside-Out > > > >m* > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ Never pay another Internet phone bill! Freeserve AnyTime, for all the Internet access you want, day and night, only £12.99 per month. Sign-up at http://www.freeserve.com/time/anytime - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] inside out
I think that it may be on the Network version. Funky funk funk is entirely forgettable, but bassline redeems the record. "Niko Tzoukmanis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 25/01/2002 10:19:44 AM To: "Mark S Flintoft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] inside out isn't that bside track called 'funky, funk, funk' At 05:04 25.01.02 -0500, you wrote: >Reese Bassline / Inside-Out Fragile FRG-04 > >A Bassline >B Inside-Out > >m* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Kirk Degorgio
I am a massive Kirk D fan, but I can't see what the fuss was about Nairobi
(nor the C2 mix) nor Another Revolution.
Haven't heard the new album.
Of course, someone of that quality cannot be written off - I'm not that
fickle!
Check out his website as well for some great musical info on his favourite
albums.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 24/01/2002 03:45:20 PM
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Subject: [313] Kirk Degorgio - was stacey pullen - electric relaxation
I can't see how people can be even talking about writing him off. Offworld
may have been very different and at times more acid jazz than techno and
could have passed for even the brand new heavies in places, but it was
still funky and musically sound. And even if anyone didn't like that you
only had to turn to his new and amazing As One LP '21st Century Soul' and
all the recent stuff hes put out on 12...'Nairobi' was superb as was the
'Another Revolution' 10 inch. Personally I think hes enjoying something of
a musical peak right now.
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> From: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu 24/Jan/2002 16:32 CET
> To: Niko Tzoukmanis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org" <313@hyperreal.org>
> Subject: RE: [313] RE: (313) RE: (313) stacey pullen - electric
relaxation
>
> Do you know what? - I LIKED that Offworld thing. Very much! ('Offworld'
goes
> very well with 'Inside The Outway' on the '01 Pullen LP, by the way) ...
We
> need more jazz and fusion type o' stuff in techno or we'll all be deaf
> before we're 40 ... I think we'll all be deaf before we're 40 anyway but
> still ... Kirk has only shown flashes of some real innovation, you're
right
> ... if that's what you're getting at. He also has a solo LP out right now
> ... take a trip thru that at your local listening post ... I wouldn't
write
> him off just yet.
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Niko Tzoukmanis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:09 PM
> >To: 313@hyperreal.org
> >Subject: RE: [313] RE: (313) RE: (313) stacey pullen - electric
> >relaxation
> >
> >
> >that's a good one, and one of the good techno jazz
> >approaches, unlike the last kirk degiorgio offworld
> >album (sorry, just an opinion, if you hate me for that,
> >don't hesitate to tell me your opinions..)
> >actually there are not too many releases by stacey, but
> >what i've heard from him are brilliant.
> >also check his kosmic messenger stuff on trance fusion,
> >plink plonk and elypsia... and 'polyphonic destruction'
> >on end recordings, which is a killer of a track..
> >
> >At 15:02 24.01.02 -, you wrote:
> >>Also ... The Stacey Pullen LP out of the Virgin subsidiary Science,
last
> >>year, was a small surprise to me. A decisive turn towards 'New' techno
> >>(largely). There was only 1 4/4 track on there. Interesting, v. weird
and
> >>actually good for a toke ... I think he needs to work with other
producers
> >>though, I find his own unadulterated sound starts to feel a little
stilted
> >>or 'dry' over several different tracks ... on the whole though, very
313,
> >>very high quality.
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Re: [313] Ewan Pearson
Ewan Pearson is Maas on Soma and his album "Latitude" is one of my favourites. Al Phonopsia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 17/01/2002 02:01:13 PM To: 313 <313@hyperreal.org> cc: Subject: [313] Ewan Pearson Over Xmas I picked up a grip of records (reviews forthcoming), and one of the stand-out tracks was the Ewan Pearson remix of Russ Gabriel's "We Will Be Turning". It's really smooth deep house with a healthy dose of gospel "oh's" and strings. Very different from the original. I've also checked his 12" on Merrick Brown's Chalant Music imprint. He really seems like a guy to watch. Any other releases I should be on the lookout for? Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com <- Music http://www.metrotechno.com <- DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com <- DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com <- Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] <- email <- AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] party in March/April
313ers, Bit of an unusual question this one. It's my friend's 30th birthday on April 5th. Does anyone know of any events worldwide around that date? It could be anything (313 related or otherwise), the wilder the better! Much appreciated! Alastair -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] whinge bags
I can't see what the objective is of people whinging about the content of the 313 list. (a) you don't need to read certain threads (b) it's not stopping anyone else starting another thread. If you don't like the general content of the list, then start your own one up. -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] every dog vol 3
Well, yes I see your point. The same could be said for classical music. Very few musicians have presumed themselves to be good writers as well. But as a music enthusiast, I am interested in how the music came about, not in a set of imposed ideas about what the music means. alastair "Lester Kenyatta Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/01/2002 04:26:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] every dog vol 3 On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I don't think that musicians need writers to transform their work into > something that is more meaningful. Most music is equivocal, and it is this > that has imbued it with so much power and meaning throughout history. If an > artist wants some sort of narrative to their work, you'd expect that they > would be able to string a few sentences together themselves. Well yes and no. The bottom line is that the music should speak for itself...it really doesn't NEED notes right? I've got the cd, and it would've STILL been played at full blast for nine hours straight on the way home from the demf, without the notes. But if you're going to add another layer to it...why not use a WRITER? This is the jazz model more or less...and it works. Wynton Marsalis doesn't write his liner notes...Stanley Crouch does. Now in some cases the artist is a qualified writer in his/her own rightbut I'd argue that these cases are the minority. peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] every dog vol 3
I don't think that musicians need writers to transform their work into something that is more meaningful. Most music is equivocal, and it is this that has imbued it with so much power and meaning throughout history. If an artist wants some sort of narrative to their work, you'd expect that they would be able to string a few sentences together themselves. "Lester Kenyatta Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/01/2002 04:03:44 PM To: "Jason Donnelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] every dog vol 3 I've actually been thinking about offering my services as a liner notes writer to detroit influenced artists. Taking the liner notes from EVERY DOG HAS ITS DAY away from the context of the album makes it even more apparent that techno artists need "real" writers if they are serious about taking their artform and making it into a long term life altering movement. peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] every dog vol 3
I wasn't suggesting insincerity, just that if you believe in God (or a god) then it's between you and him, and there's no need to hand out the credits. Bit like a over-long Oscars acceptance speech. "robin pinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/01/2002 12:04:06 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [313] every dog vol 3 > > Yes, I think that we have been here before. > Am I the only one who gets slightly irritated by people thanking God for > their musical abilities? It's completely unnecessary. Besides, what the > lord giveth, the lord taketh away. it only irritates me if it seems insincere (cos eveyone does it to seem deep that particular artist does too), i guess if it's heartfelt then i don't mind. how you can tell if it's sincere or not i don't know :) robin... -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] every dog vol 3
Yes, I think that we have been here before. Am I the only one who gets slightly irritated by people thanking God for their musical abilities? It's completely unnecessary. Besides, what the lord giveth, the lord taketh away. "robin pinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/01/2002 11:45:11 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: "Jason Donnelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] every dog vol 3 > > Makes no sense whatsoever. i thought that, but then i thought maybe it was a zen trick to empty your mind. > Unfortunately Mills influenced a whole generation of producers to put this > sort of gibberish on the back of their album sleeves. what would you rather be written? hmm i think we (313) may have had this discussion before. :) robin... > > > MILLSART: Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 3 2x12" (AXIS). "In time, all > > > wrongdoings are eligible for correction. Even in the eye of a storm, we > > > must endure the invalid as a objective fragment in the existence of > > > mankind. Effortlessly, time passes over and onto, without you and > without > > > us. On it, we mark the acceptance of the new with the chance to begin > > > again > > > and give away the hand of the past, free of unadmissibles. Those who > are > > > punctual are thieves of time. Robbing from reserves of time that have > been > > > > > > designated for nothing. In time, time tells truths or at least the > truths > > > you've been waiting for. Time is the oldest living thing we own. Its > rate > > > of speed is constant and in all, infinite. Some never have enough time, > > > which are those people that are quick to reconize those who waste it. > Is > > > time or is it not? It has been said that seconds, minutes, hours, days, > > > weeks, months, years, decades and centuries are just about all the > average > > > > > > human can imagine and plan for. Millsart believes not. All that is > needed > > > to calculate is that 'one of these days is none of these days'. Now > that > > > you've read this, please be advised that Every Dog Has Its Day." > -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] every dog vol 3
Makes no sense whatsoever. Unfortunately Mills influenced a whole generation of producers to put this sort of gibberish on the back of their album sleeves. "Jason Donnelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/01/2002 11:26:30 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: [313] every dog vol 3 on the most recent Bent Crayon mailout: > > MILLSART: Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 3 2x12" (AXIS). "In time, all > > wrongdoings are eligible for correction. Even in the eye of a storm, we > > must endure the invalid as a objective fragment in the existence of > > mankind. Effortlessly, time passes over and onto, without you and without > > us. On it, we mark the acceptance of the new with the chance to begin > > again > > and give away the hand of the past, free of unadmissibles. Those who are > > punctual are thieves of time. Robbing from reserves of time that have been > > > > designated for nothing. In time, time tells truths or at least the truths > > you've been waiting for. Time is the oldest living thing we own. Its rate > > of speed is constant and in all, infinite. Some never have enough time, > > which are those people that are quick to reconize those who waste it. Is > > time or is it not? It has been said that seconds, minutes, hours, days, > > weeks, months, years, decades and centuries are just about all the average > > > > human can imagine and plan for. Millsart believes not. All that is needed > > to calculate is that 'one of these days is none of these days'. Now that > > you've read this, please be advised that Every Dog Has Its Day." jason - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Plastic People at Planit 2000, London
Went to Plastic People and my night revolved around 3 acts that I wanted to see (see below). The club itself was very well run and spacious and the staff were friendly. 1) Pharoah Sanders After a long soundcheck, this started pretty badly. The sound was muddy and I think that they were not used to playing to a cheering (!) crowd and so played louder to compensate. The sound improved as did the band and Pharoah looked like he was more into it (he looked pretty gruff at the beginning). The last song was truly memorable, because the band were playing to their abilities, and everyone was clapping along to a call and response carribean style number. Should have been on earlier (12 'o' clock was a bit muted) but overall a success. 2) Moritz and Mark (Rhythm and Sound) These were annexed off at the Plastic People club down the road which meant a bit of effort getting to it. Quite a let down! The place was empty and Mark was putting on (quality) dub in quite a disinterested fashion. It looked like they were having a nightmare. They should have had a room in the main arena, but they weren't exactly exuding the happy new year vibe, nor playing any of their own productions. Jolly nice people, though. 3) Theo Parrish By this time I was looking for a dance! Theo Parrish came up with the goods with a 110 bpm (I estimate) set throughout which came off through his own enthusiasm and innovation. This was the first TP set I have witnessed and, sure enough, disco, funk, acid house all came into the mix, along with a brave 5 minute spoken word poem (I would guess at it being Saul Williams) about the serious things going on in the world at the moment. A cheeky, vivacious personality. All in all, an interesting musical night. -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: [313] deep dub detroit/berlin ramble
I have recently come across Twilight Circus who is producing great dub, a little like the berlin kind, but less digital and mainly instrument based. He plays all the instruments himself. I don't think that he's been mentioned before on this list. Go and check it out: http://www.twilightcircus.com/ Alastair [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 30/11/2001 12:24:23 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: Re: [313] deep dub detroit/berlin ramble That reminds me of thier wicked old album Renegade Soundwave in DUB from about 12 years back. I remember there was one absolutly amazing track that I can quite recall... transcendental something or other and 'thunder' which was also excellent. I remember the great thing about that album was most of the tracks could be played at 33 and sound really deep and dubby, but at 45 you could drop them into any club techno set. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.digital-soul.co.uk > > From: "Michael D Tyrer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri 30/Nov/2001 12:57 CET > To: "Jernej Marusic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >"'Curt'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ><313@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: [313] deep dub detroit/berlin ramble > > a cd which stayed stuck in my player for a long time this summer was > Renegade Soundwave, "the next chapter of dub" > - very dancy with a definate techno bias > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ Never pay another Internet phone bill! Freeserve AnyTime, for all the Internet access you want, day and night, only £12.99 per month. Sign-up at http://www.freeserve.com/time/anytime - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] KMS/Network
All, Does anyone know of a good source of info on KMS? I know of the discography on techno.org but that is a bit limited. Any recommendations from the back catalogue? Also, can anyone tell me the connection between KMS and Network (which seems to have released a lot of KMS in the UK). Anyone got any info on Network? Thanks, Alastair -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] seiji discography
Hi list, With all this talk of Seiji on the list, I'd be interested to know if a discography exists anywhere. Thanks -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] techno/jazz ---> jazz/techno
If you like the latest Morgan Geist 'Super' then try out some of the stuff on the UK Nuphonic label. Faze Action's album of a few years ago sounds similar. "Mann, Ravinder [CCS]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 23/10/2001 08:03:25 AM To: 313 <313@hyperreal.org> cc: Subject: RE: [313] techno/jazz ---> jazz/techno > can someone recommend me some albums by jazz musicians > that are in the jazz/techno vein, something that influenced kirk, > craig, ian o'brien, stacy > You could try theseboth contain facinating sleeves as well. Herbie Hancock - HeadHunters Miles Davis/Bill Laswell - Panthalassa Rav. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] techno/jazz
I reckon that Kirk Degiorgio bettered the Planetary Folklore album (on Mo Wax) with "In with arps and moogs and things..."(?) on Clear. But both sound like authentic jazz. "Mann, Ravinder [CCS]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 22/10/2001 01:49:10 PM To: "'Rob Theakston'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, '313' <313@hyperreal.org> cc: Subject: RE: [313] techno/jazz Cheers... Got the latter twobtw 4Hero have a new CD similar to Two Pagesplus a cover version of 'expansions' by Lonnie Liston Smith...not had a chance to chase that up yet tho. But I feel it falls into the jazzy drum and bass arena. Is Plantary Folklore Kirk Delgardo (sp?) So hard to find anything on Mo'wax. Rav > -Original Message- > From: Rob Theakston [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:47 PM > To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; '313' > Subject: RE: [313] techno/jazz > > As One Planetary Folklore > 4HeroTwo Pages > Ian O Brien Gigantic Days > > are the first three that immediately come to mind for me. all are highly > worth checking out > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:38 AM > To: '313' > Subject: [313] techno/jazz > > > Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late...mixing live > instrumentation and > and techno machine driven patterns and effects. Maybe is appeals to my 'rare > groove' > listening side... > > Two notable pieces are > Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and > Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra > > Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction > of similar materail in techno ? > > Thanks > > Rav > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] KMS album
Does anyone know anything about a KMS compilation from 1988 (I think) with Rhythm is Rhythm's 'Beyond the dance' as the last track but including other tracks by MK, Art Forest. Does anyone have an opinion of it? Thanks -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
I'm with the musical "luddites" Vince and Yair. Technology is not necessarily all for the good. Making very tenuous analogies with the advent of house and techno is incorrect. It's like saying: You've become accustomed to a high standard of healthcare now and you like it, so who's afraid of a little genetic engineering? Only time will decide who's right in this argument. -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Please READ THIS Tribute to the United States]
No country is gloating at the US. This bit of dogmatic rabble-rousing is definitely not worth forwarding. "Hodgson, S. R. (Sean)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@ford.com on 14/09/2001 01:05:31 PM Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Miss Ashley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: [313] Please READ THIS Tribute to the United States] This is one email that is definately worth forwarding. I hope you all have a good afternoon. -dalton > > > TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > > > > > > This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. > > > > > > America: The Good Neighbor. > > > > > > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given > > > recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from > > > Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television > > > commentator. What follows is the full text of his > > > trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional > > > Record: > > > > > > > > > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the > > > Americans as the most generous and possibly the least > > > appreciated people on all the earth. > > > > > > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and > > > Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the > > > Americans who poured in billions of dollars and > > > forgave other billions in debts. None of these > > > countries is today paying even the interest on its > > > remaining debts to the United States. > > > > > > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, > > > it was the Americans who propped it up, and their > > > reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets > > > of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > > > > > > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the > > > United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 > > > American communities were flattened by tornadoes. > > > Nobody helped. > > > > > > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped > > > billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now > > > newspapers in those countries are writing about the > > > decadent, warmongering Americans. > > > > > > I'd like to see just one of those countries that > > > is gloating over the erosion of the United States > > > dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country > > > in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo > > > Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? > > > If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the > > > International lines except Russia fly American Planes? > > > > > > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting > > > a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese > > > technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German > > > technocracy, and you get automobiles. > > > You talk about American technocracy, and you find > > > men on the moon - not once, but several times - > > > and safely home again. > > > > > > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs > > > right in the store window for everybody to look at . > > > Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. > > > They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless > > > they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American > > > dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. > > > > > > When the railways of France, Germany and India > > > were breaking down through age, it was the Americans > > > who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and > > > the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an > > > old caboose. Both are still broke. > > > > > > I can name you 5,000 times when the Americans raced > > > to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name > > > me even one time when someone else raced to the > > > Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside > > > help even during the San Francisco earthquake. > > > > > > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one > > > Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get > > > kicked around. They will come out of this thing with > > > their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled > > > to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating > > > over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of > > > those." > > > > > > Stand proud, America! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and
RE: [313] DE9 closer
surely it is possible to have a conversation on a conceptual level, rather than just saying "I like that!", "I don't like that!" I admit to not having heard the latest hawtin mix, but I heard the last one (and it was pretty dull). I am no technophobe and also I am no purist so let's leave those arguments behind. This album is billed as a technological step forward because it is using a cut n paste style on techno itself, which itself is a pretty cut n paste style. Do you think that you can continue this process indefinitely so that there are no new original (per se) sources being used and that music is forever being recycled to create new music? Does this not eventually make the music creatively bankrupt? alastair "Jongsma, K.J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 31/08/2001 11:13:07 AM To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: "'313@hyperreal.org'" <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: RE: [313] DE9 closer > My first question was is it good DJing? > The answer is no because DJing is not involved, but you tell > me that it's > incredibly difficult to do. 'It's DJ-ing Jim but not as we know it' This it's not'really dj-ing'thing sounds a lot like the discussion people try to have with me when techno and house music came around. People claiming we made bad music or it wasn't music at all just because we used some new and easy technology. > I am not claiming to be a scientist! That's why he's got his > Phd! I believe > that he know's more about science than me! I'm more > interested in music. OK, just remember the phrase "I'm more interested in music" i'll get back to that later. > Good tracks? > Admittedly, the scientist is not claiming these tracks as his > own. But he's > cut up the piano break from Strings of Life! > Does it sound better then the original!? Oh please not the 'Don't touch Strings of Live because it's the holy grail of techno and any atempt to use it in another way is lame anyway' argument. Also remind the strings of live phrase. > Can anyone listen to it? > Well, obviously you can listen to it in the comfort of your own living > room, but to hear it in a club you have to get the scientist around > because only he knows the technology. Huh? What is your problem with scientists? So he uses something you never got into, so what? So you need him in a club do this cut-n-paste trick, so what. You need a live-act if you wanna hear the music preformed in a club, they also use technology. If you wanna do a DJ mix then you need the DJ to do mix, he is the only scientist who knows the DJ technology. I really don't see a problem. > If it sounds good then fine (I haven't listened to it and I > have not dissed > it) but the concept sounds suspect to me. Erm, so you are "more interested in music" but you are trying to discuss a concept without ever listing to the actual album to hear how it sounds? And if you are more interested in the music why-o-why do are you talking about the way he use specific tracks like strings of live? Please listen to the album first before you try to start a discussion about it... You seem confident > that these > sort of innovations are part of the 'DJing' future, but it > seems to me that > creativity is not enhanced by technology (shock horror). My > simple argument > is by comparing the 60s (minimal technology) to today (almost > unlimited > technology). There are less astonishingly creative people > around today. I never said it was a creative album BECAUSE he used this technology. I just used the technolgy argument for the 'this not a real DJ album part' and there is a lot of technolgy involved in DJ-ing and yes there is also a hughe amount of creativity. I am not trying to start a discussion about wheter or not technolgy is responsible for creativity because it's just a matter of taste if you do like 60's music more then music from nowadays i think. For me there are as many creative people today then there where 40 years ago. The last time i checked there is always a man behind the machine, so technolgy is just another tool to make music. Having more or less advanced equipment is not a way to measure the amount of creative, it never was and it never will be. So please listen to the album before saying things like "Am I the only person that finds the concept of this Hawtin album a bit up its own arse?". For someone who claims to be "more interested in music" and "not claiming to be a scientist!" you make a really big deal from this scientist thing instead of listinging to the actaul album. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zi
RE: [313] DE9 closer
If a scientist announced to the techno community that he had devised a new concept in electronic music using technology that nobody had used before, I think that most people would be dismissive of it. My first question was is it good DJing? The answer is no because DJing is not involved, but you tell me that it's incredibly difficult to do. I am not claiming to be a scientist! That's why he's got his Phd! I believe that he know's more about science than me! I'm more interested in music. Good tracks? Admittedly, the scientist is not claiming these tracks as his own. But he's cut up the piano break from Strings of Life! Does it sound better then the original!? Can anyone listen to it? Well, obviously you can listen to it in the comfort of your own living room, but to hear it in a club you have to get the scientist around because only he knows the technology. If it sounds good then fine (I haven't listened to it and I have not dissed it) but the concept sounds suspect to me. You seem confident that these sort of innovations are part of the 'DJing' future, but it seems to me that creativity is not enhanced by technology (shock horror). My simple argument is by comparing the 60s (minimal technology) to today (almost unlimited technology). There are less astonishingly creative people around today. "Jongsma, K.J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 31/08/2001 09:01:16 AM To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: "'313@hyperreal.org'" <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: RE: [313] DE9 closer > Am I the only person that finds the concept of this Hawtin > album a bit up > its own arse? > Good DJing? - no it's all done on computer Yeah so? If you think it's easy try to do it yourself. I think you'll think different after you tried to cut-n-paste so many track in one smooth track. Maybe this is the future of DJ-ing? Computers and HD-recording will become more and more a standard DJ tool. Someone just pointed me at the Final Scratch software, i also saw a documentary about DJ's in which Sven Vath also used a laptop for DJ-ing. I am not sure if this was also Final Scratch but i do know this WILL become a certain part of the DJ future. > Good tracks? - no he is 'improving' upon other people's tracks by > deconstructing them and putting them back together. Yes, true and that is why they call it a mix CD so everybody knows it is not his own music. > The result is one 90 min cut n paste track which nobody else > can play, nor > would anyone want to. Why can't you play it i know i have been doing it for the last week and i am enjoying it! > What's the point? What's the point? well it sounds nice! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] DE9 closer
Am I the only person that finds the concept of this Hawtin album a bit up its own arse? Good DJing? - no it's all done on computer Good tracks? - no he is 'improving' upon other people's tracks by deconstructing them and putting them back together. The result is one 90 min cut n paste track which nobody else can play, nor would anyone want to. What's the point? "M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 31/08/2001 12:14:53 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] DE9 closer There's nothing next level about DE9 'Closer to the Edit', only the fact that all the people who have done it before him have either 1. Never been noticed in the first place. or 2. Got noticed but have long since been forgotten. A great many producers (hip-hop, trip-hop, breaks etc.) consistently use this process to create tracks, Richie has simply made 31 tracks in the same vein, segued them together and called it 'innovation' (His publicist spin I'm sure..). I've listened to the recording alot lately, it sounds like an experiment, no flow, just tracks, intended for the mind to bounce along too. The Gescom MD was certainly much more interesting, this still posseses linearity. Rich uses what seems like a lot of Perlon (I know two or three for sure), but in the most linear fashion possible. He could have made some awesome breakdown edits (to let the music breathe), or to give it an added 'wanna-bust-a-move' attitude, but instead he kept it pretty thumping (making it seem tracky, and boring). Like the last DE9 this one won't be in my collection, though I'm sure I'll hear enough of it everywhere I go. CHeers todd - Original Message - From: "Leif Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [313] DE9 closer > I thought that was the point of this release, to inspire volumes of mailing > list discussion attempting to catalogue all of the samples and loops that he > uses, and what track they came from. Gotta catch 'em all or somesuch thing. > > The DE9 record reminds me a bit of the Minidisc project that Autechre did > under their Gescom alias. It was a collection of 88 small snippets of tracks > and samples that was intended to be played with the shuffle feature of your > Minidisc player. So each time you played the disc it would result in a new > listening experience. > > I found the new DE9 to be very interesting. I can't say that it's my > favorite Hawtin record, but I definitely respect him for trying to take > Techno to that next level. > > Leif > > - Original Message - > From: Vince Woolums <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: 313 List <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [313] DE9 closer > > > > Hello. > > > > To my knowledge there is no 'track listing' per se, because of the nature > of > > the mix. Lots of track titles are included as points of reference, but > the > > order in which they are listed is not the order in which they are played. > > There is also nothing that subscribes to the traditional track-after-track > > approach. Bits of track recur at random times throughout the mix. > > > > Makes sense, right? > > > > Vince Woolums > > AOL IM: vincewoolums > > http://jump.to/iowacityunderground > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] baby ford?
seems to be a general lack of baby ford knowledge. The 'ford trax' album is credited with being a seminal acid house album (containing oochy koochie). Since then it was all fairly quiet 'til the mid nineties, when the ifach label was launched. His work is fairly inconsistent, but he is still responsible for some classics (e.g. dead eye ifach 01 on the hawtin decks efx &909). Did some mellower stuff on Mo Wax under the name Twig Bud. Eccentric UK techno "miss lauryn g" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 30/07/2001 05:19:20 PM Please respond to "miss lauryn g" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: [313] baby ford? while browsing around through a record store yesterday with a very short amount of time, i ended up finding two baby ford records for 99 cents and 2.99$. so i ended up buying them as i was in a hurry and didn't have much time to listen to them as i got to only listen to the other tracks i spent more money on. so i really do not know yet what to expect. i'm not too familiar really with his production. i just know some friends with similar tastes in music have expressed a liking for his stuff. what artists would be comparable? i have to wait for a lil while to take a listen as i don't have tables at my home and i am curious as to what i got my hands on. :) the records i picked up were: "fetish" and "let's talk it over". :) could someone please give me a rundown of what the tracks would sound like? thanks! lauryn. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] fat boy slim
313, There have been a volley of emails recently slating Fat Boy Slim and Moby as being the coporate whores of the dance music 'industry'. Whilst there are more pertinent subjects on the agenda, I would still like to make a distinction between the two. I'd don't for one moment like FBS's music. The fact that it is widely liked, I put down to the general public's low standards. However, it is fairly clear that the man does not take himself too seriously, he has fun doing what he's doing, and he gives people a lot of pleasure. He's been making throwaway pop music for decades and he's good at it. I saw it at first hand on Brighton (England) beach a couple of weeks ago. Moby, on the other hand, makes insipid music of the worst kind, made for TV advertisements. He's takes himself very seriously, is always trying to get in on the latest fad/fashion and is a moody t***. My conclusion is not that we should include FBS in the topics of conversation, rather that we should refrain from slating artists who have no pretensions, are just doing their thing. There are much more important things to promote. Al -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
