(313) Re : Re: (313) paxafest
Joe said: I would imagine pax doing the fest across many smaller venues instaed of doign a woodstock-style techno party at hart plaza. I may be wrong You often are. Steve
(313) Re : (313) Frankie Bones
I feel like the more I argue in favor of Frankie Bones the more I look like I wish I was the next room mate. But when you say Frankie Bones is a regional hero and certainly goes out of his way to attribute more than that to himself. Do you mean the region called the US and Europe? I mean what it says on his website is rather funny, but look at any Dj's website/promo/Booking stats, and everyone has something over exxagerated, it's dance music for crying out loud. It's not a surgeon faking his resume. I think the Bones remarks, that is what he makes, are exxagerated, I believe I spelled that wrong, but I don't understand this regional hero bit. I come from the Midwest as well, and clearly you and I were going to different parties, as I saw him many times there, and in Canada. Wasn't he at Even Further? Any techno dj's from techno to hardcore all knew his name, and had respect for what he was doing. Like alot of Dj's in his time. And when I was going to parties in France, Spain, Portugal, and so on he was there, and people knew his name. I sound like the PR rep for damage control at Bones Central, but I could give a rats ass. It's just so ignorant of a thing to say, that you got me talking at 5 am. Good night. Steve
(313) Re : Re: (313) DJ Frankie Bones vs Joey Beltram
tomm wrote... it also should be pointed out that frankie is a moron, and an egomaniac. and on top of it his music is bad (even dating back to the 4th floor and nu groove stuff, which i usually dig!) and his deejaying is even worse. that guy needs to take his raver squad and go take a really long walk off a very short pier. tomm What the hell was that? How can you say even half of that? Music bad? Are you kidding me? His ego or not, that was totally ignorant. Steve
(313) Re : Re: (313) Re : Re: (313) DJ Frankie Bones vs Joey Beltram
Martin wrote: It's an interesting point and you guys should just chill a bit around Tom...but back to the point - I don't think I've ever bought a record that isn't hot either, who buys records that are rubbish? I don't buy what I think is rubbish, but I don't believe that was his point. Plus like some one said before Frankie Bones is more then the music. I do not have many of his records, but I have been to alot of great parties where he spiun or his records were playing. And I haven't actually met anyone thus far who would claim Bones as a jerk. I would definitly say that I have been more then once been inspired by his interviews and his actions. He is not my techno God, but he is one of the pieces of the my good memories of parties and techno. That thread is funny. And I think Beltram wins the arguement. But to bash Bones, out here, in this way, is very disrespectful. Have a nice day, Steve
(313) Re : Re: (313) Re: [ok] RE: (313) Saunderson not doing Fuse-In.
uh no? i cant even agree that's the point of view to look at it from. even the first year the majority of festival-goers didn't look like scenesters to me, What festival were you at? The last couple years people that have been at the festival were a great number of Dudes. You, I hate this techno crap, but it's easy to buy beer, and those raver chicks are hot man. I know you can't agree with me because you were probably surrounded by people you know or were looking for people you know. But the first year or 2 it was raver fest. And when you say the people from the scene couldn't have supported it, then what and who is the festival for? My Grandma? I totally disagree that the scene could support it then. but the problem you see is that international music conasseurs greatly outnumber the people who have even heard of Kevin saunderson int the US. If you go to LA it's hard to get anyone there to even know who Juan Atkins is and as last I heard he lives there now, and people laugh at you nationally if you say anything about Detroit being the root of techno. That will make people on this list laugh at me, but facts are facts. It's not the only festival/event that has been done with those numbers. Even that first year when everyone was so proud that the numbers were over a million, when they announced that on the final night, people were looking at each other like they made that up. There were a lot of people there the thrid night, but combined over three days it didn't look like a Full Silverdome. And you can find full Silverdome's sized events in the US, well before. I mean I felt like after the 2nd year festival promoters were hell bent on educating dancers, which I think is ill. There are ALOT of other great artists from other genres, that people were into nationwide that never got the chance to play that festival. I loved every minute of it, well, not Derrick May making people feel bad they weren't donating, or the initial Carol Marvin Carl Craig thing. This is the first time I can have some sort of agreement on what Joe is saying. He's right and you guys are more offended by him saying it then hearing what he is really saying. Kevin Saunderson said that if they could have got 10,000 more foriegn visitors to the festival they would have done a whole lot better. That's the problem. He's focused on this international crowd, who although supports his music, do not live in Michigan. It's a community event from the stand point of Detroit. Yes the city needs money. But opening an Engine building plant, and generated tax revenues to pay city workers and keep schools stay open, is a little more useful then 3 to 4 days of tourism. And when the pull of people are from a demographic, that even if they enjoyed Detroit on their stay will not be coming downtown more often on weekends, or considering shopping there, or living there, well it's not so interesting. The people from this list from out of town may disagree, but maybe Saunderson or the like, needs to be doing a Detroit Festival in Manchester or Berlin. I see that bringing something home to Detroit is a honourable thing to do. But it's either a philanthrapist gesture to drop 250,000 or a bad business investment. Which is it? Steve
(313) Re : RE: (313) j dilla dies?
I met him at the DEMF, can't remember which one, and he struck me not like other musicians. Not only for his creativity which I have enjoyed through Hip Hop/Rap, but for the very humble seeming person he was. Very polite, and very well spoken. I can't say I know him very well, but that music, that music that made Quest's and De La Soul's words timeless. He's not gone, the music lives on. Steve Thank you Jay Dee
(313) Yet How about a Bloody Translator To curse on 313, or not to curse?
This is going to sound like a silly question, but I really don't know, AND I see how many Brits are on here, so I ask to have some of your English translated into My English (American that is), as I have moved abroad to a non speaking country in Europe, and wow, my next door neighbor is English. Yeah I thought, until, well... What does this stuff mean... Randy... Jolly Ho... he never says this but still... Brilliant...I assume the answer to this but not when you use it like an Italian uses the word Prego Rashers... Bum...I assume buttocks 2 Stones... Bullocks...seriously I don't know Thats all I can think of, yet feel free to tell me other differences. This really isn't for the sake of alughing at anyone. But it's strange, often when I hear some one speaking French I nodd my head like I understand, but I really don't, I am just hoping I will figure it out a sentence or two down the line. But I shouldn't have to do that with English. And I don't want to be rude. Hell I'd ask him over to BBQ some qauil and drink a couple of beers if I didn't think he might just be nodding his head at my American as well. Well thanks in advance, and to keep it remotely on topic, yes I think you should remove the filter it's too conservative in here, and Yes, even though Madonna hasn't been to a disco in years, I still think she can do a video in own, I don't really interpret people's videos that much. If I did I would fly the airlines Britney Spears is a stewardice all dee time. Ok probably not, Steve
(313) Good Live Acts
If this post gets thru, as they never do... LAURA GRABB. You can call it hardcore, but hardcore people don't. But she is a really good Live PA, no computer, actual boards and patching and stuff. Steve
(313) Re : Re: (313) Good Live Acts
Hallejullah! A post of mine has actually gone thru with out me having to ask some one to forward it to the list. I have been on this list since 1999, and my posts haven't been working since 2001. I have been reading, and trying to add to the conversation, but for some reason, it never works. I don't think this one will go thru either, it was probably a fluke. But if it does, wa ho! Steve
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
Learn hoq to make your own music or pay the guy that went thru all the trouble to get it out there. Sampling is stealing. It's not paying tribute, or showing respect. Maybe if you were sampling and giving away your music, but you are not. You are struggling just like the guy you sampled from, but you are taking the easy route. The only reason you hate this ruling so much is that now you realize your own creative level is almost non existent, and youre screwed. I guess the market will just have to go back to being less saturated, and the few actually striving to make something new will be able to actually pay their rent, on time. Steve
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(313) Stupid OT, Completely Unrelated to 313 Post
Hello, I want to have a sufficient reason to take advantage of the Brit Airways/party deal going on, so may I ask a question to anyone in the England part of the UK area...anyone know any culinary/food trends popping up that might be noteworthy to possible readers in the US? Or does anyone know Rowan Atkins personally? If anyone has any suggestions, please hit me off list please. Danka, Steve
RE: (313) Stupid OT, Completely Unrelated to 313 Post
But, What I was trying to relay is, is there any particular trends, types of foods, Kamikaze chefs on the prowl? Anything. Sqaurepusher at the Japanese Steakhouse? Steve
(313) I believe Mr Theakston
If it is you that works at Borders, and if not, the individual I spoke with in the past, please hit me back. I would like to ask you a couple of questions if you don't mind. Apologies to all for this mail. Steve
(313) Donahue Meet and Greet
Hello, I lost this post. I am interested in heading out and meeting some folks if anyone would kindly forward the info on this get together. Thank you, Steve
(313) Movement Mechanics Party
Hello All, This is to announce the Movement Mechanics party at the Detroit Contemporary on May 25th. The line up is as follows... Frederick Messent MFSB France Becka Agent Orange Grimes UK Laura Grabb Deosil Low Key Scotto Alastair Todd Epitaph Neil V Av3rs1on Brain Shelton Plus more very special guests to be announced. 12$ or 10$ with Food Donation 10pm til dawn There will be a BBQ outside as well grilling up chicken and veggie burgers. The Detroit Contemporary is located at 5141 Rosa Parks Boulevard For directions or further details please contact me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or go to www.deosil.net/isos.html# Brought by ISOS and Cipher Records
(313) Calling out for Sam Hobbs
Sam please hit me back. Steve
(313) Booking Info Inquiry
Does anyone have the booking contact info for DJ Rap or Photek or Jay Denham? Steve
Re: (313) more demf stuff...
But, Does Derrick have the right to claim the trademark DEMF? I mean I know we all wish he can, or atleast anyone but Marvin, but if the DEMF was based on the work commercially done by Marvin's Pop Culture, and then someone else comes in and scoops the name up, from what I know about law, Derrick shouldn't be able to obtain the rights. I mean this is a city sponsored event by the Dept. of Recreation. Not a private venture. I believe the city of Detroit has the first priority to the name they sponsored, and they invested in. I mean for example, if I operate a Pizzeria in Detroit named Big Dave's, but don't make any appropriate claim to the name, yet my reputation is built on it, then an unknown Big Dave's pizza trademarks the name, and tries to work off the success of the first Big Dave's pizza, from what I believe the First Big Dave, can sue the 2nd Big Dave for the rights to the name. and usually that party wins. I want an Electronic Music Festival in Detroit. I want anyone but the Marvin team to promote it, but as far as name ownership, I believe the city has first dibs, and the Pop Culture has 2nd's if the city doesn't want it. Any business lawyers out there? Steve
Re: (313) Need of approval
Well let me ask this question... Have either of these 2 people actually ever been to a party where there's electronic music? Steve
RE: (313) ghostly in lansing 11/9
Well, let me ask this, When they book the same acts repeatedly, or just middle of the road artists, are they still packing their club? Maybe it just comes down to simple economics. The DJ's with integrity, more than likely could cost more than crap DJ trance remix. I mean how many nights a week does this club run nights? If there is an open night, and some of you guys are that confident that real techno is wanted in town, why don't you step up to the plate and promote a night; or encourage someone else to? I personally have never spent a dollar to see a trance DJ spin. Techno is the soul of music for me. But my only real alternative is to drive 2 hours south to Detroit at the moment (once a week), cause Mid Michigan still thinks the words techno+dance=drugs and the total demoralization of the community, while someone at the DEQ is letting DOW produce more dioxins into the environment. Sorry for MY rant. I wish every other week when I came to Lansing there was something going on, CHANGE YOUR ENVIRONMENT. That's all I got to say. Steve
(313) Amsterdam November 13th and Beyond
I second the motion for Information for what's going on, only earlier in the month, I have someone I know who will be going to Amsterdam for the first time of his life, and would like to get into something deep or underground, if that still exists. He's a particular fan of Booty, but any impressive club/bar will do. Also any opinions on where a GREEN American should go or not go will also be appreciated. I was in Amsterdam myself for a few days a couple years ago for the ADE, but I was so busy, and trying to see everything, I couldn't remember one beginning of a street name before Strat to give much guidance. Plus any info outside of this on Hardcore or Break core in or around Amsterdam, or Holland for that matter would be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Steve
(313) Anyone go to MUTEK This year?
Hello, Just wondering if any had any impressions about it. Steve
[313] LAURA GRABB SEPTEMBRE 14 BELGIQUE
CYCLONE RECORDS prst : 14/09/02 INHALING PROJECT @ Spirit LAURA GRABB live ( Industrial Strenght , Dropp bass network , Perce oreille ) Detroit / USA ZIP THE ROBOTlive ( Og - Radiobomb records - Coretex labs ) FR OBX vs SCINE live ( Pollution - Zetemkaa ) Ned STEFAN ( ZMK soundsystem ) Ned W-SAP ( Cyclone records) BE K-OS ( Dionysus ) BE PROBEX VS FLAMEBOY ( Planet K** vs Mutate ) BE KONTACT ACID ( ACd Kkt ) FR capacity : 700 pers. FROM HOLLAND : Take road to Antwerp - go Gent - Go Kortrijk Take E403(A17) Brugge - Kortrijk Exit 6 Dir. Roeselare . At the 4th trafficlights take dir. Menen ( N32). At the roundabout go right dir. Moorslede straight ahead you will cross 2 trafficlights dir. Zonnebeke . The spirit is located on your right 2 km further . ( 30 min from Lille ) Moorsledestraat 61 Zonnebeke ( Roeselare ) Belgium FROM FRANCE ROute : Prendre A22 / E17 Tourcoing - Gand (jusqu'en Belgique) . Continuer sur l'E17 jusque sortie A17(E403) Brugge. Continuer direction Brugge . Prendre sortie 6 direction Roeselare . Prendre aux 4 ieme feux a gauche dir Menen ( N32 ). Au rond point prendre à droite direction Moorslede . Continuer tout droit , passer deux feux rouges direction zonnebeke. Le Spirit est situé 2 km plus loin surla droite .( 30 min de Lille ) adress : Moorsledestraat 61 Zonnebeke ( Roeselare ) BELGIQUE - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Logic Program For Sale
Apologies for this Garage sale post. Yet this seemed like it could be an appropriate place for this Is there anyone interested in aquiring a barely used Emagic Logic Audio Gold Version 4.1 With Keys and Manual. Email me off list if anyone is interested. Prefeerably in the state of Michigan. Yet outside could be possible. Thanks alot for everyone's time. PS Is anyone on list going to the ADE this year? Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Paging Tim johnson
Please get in contact with me as I would like to meet up with you sometime at the DEMF. Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Live PA's
Well, I have seen a fair share of Live Pa's, some creative, and some very very lame. The Aux 88 PA set at the first DEMF was dis-jointed, but kool. Like long stops in between songs. But that might've not been their fault. Then the next year I saw DJXDJ, and I thought it was s boring. 2 Lab tops. Wow. I think the problem with most Live Pa's, is that it seems not very thought out. And I am not sure why that is. I would have to say that the most exciting Live Pa's I've ever seen were hardtechno/hardcore ones. Like Laura Grabb from Detroit. Before she goes abroad I have heard she can put weeks into her sets. It's hardcore, but it's layered, and there is real work going on. Fred Maniaks, Crystal Distortion, for example. I mean to be a FreeParty or even in an arena with one of these Lives going, the whole place going nuts. I think the earlier comment about not being able to see anything but a dj perform live is, well that person's opinion. I like both. But being a dj, and an artist are 2 different things. I know alot of dj's feel they have to release records of their own, to be seen more serious. But it doesn't mean they are the same thing. Anyways, that's just my thoughts Later - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Regarding Business
What I can't believe about you is that you are so dedicated to the fact that you are sure that I am mistaken at whatever I say, and that I can't have an opinion outside of yours, that that makes me racist, becuae I disagree that Jaun Atkins thinks there's racism against him in the electronic music industry. That whatever I have learned in the years of college I've had in the subject of Afro-American studies, is void, because you haven't had the ability to be there with me in class, and tear analyze the syllabis. I think it is you the one who are racist, and if not racist, very prejudice against what you think are white people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313]Regarding Business
Hello, I am sorry that I have to have my own opinion on this, but what I believe stands. I never said I was hatin on Juan, I never said he was a bad artist. Yet you can't blame the interviewer for your own answers. Or the editing, unless it was malicious, and in that regard I would assume a lawsuit was in order. And I don't think that by the amount of radio play one artist has had over another raises the bar on who's a better artist or not. Are there any national statistics on Sasha and Digweed versus Juan Atkins? I know he has been played alot on Detroit radio, but what do you expect? I mean listen to WJLB or 105.9 on the weekends and it's like they stopped buying records awhile ago. Just remixing the same old tired stuff. It's good stuff, but it's time is done. So am I wrong because I critisize the argument that the electronic music industry against black artists? That white kids prefer Trance for racially motivated reasons? I think not. I love Detroit techno and am proud of this city, and all of electronic music, and I am not going to sit here and stay passive when, even a talented artist says it, this music is being slammed because Jaun isn't as popular as he once was. I hope that can be respected. Later - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: [313] Regarding Business
Hello, Is it possible that this is the most ignorant person in America? How does the fact that Juan Atkins is an African American this excludes him from being racist? Where does this come from? ---BeginMessage--- Racism is a system of insitutionalized discrimination against one group by another. Under this system in America white skin and whiteness is accorded certain priveiliges. It comes from a historical precedent set by North American chattel slavery where whites owned so called black people. The Civil Rights Movement was about African-Americans earning their rights to be treated as full citizens of a country we continue to build. Juan Atkins is African-American. His decisions can not affect the lives of whole groups of people thus he can not be a racist. Ever heard of Cornel West? bell hooks? Manning Marable? Martin Luther King? Michael Eric Dyson?? Or how about Screamin' Jay Hawkins? Ike Turner? Wyonnie Harris? Little RIchard or my personal favorite Jimi Hendrix? My name is not buddy it's Tamara and if you have a problem with me you can address me by Ms. Harris. Apparently some people on this list need to go back to Reading Comprehension 101 and re-read Juan's interview. And it also sounds like many people here need to do some Black (because this a social construct people are named by their geographies although in the '60's the term was appropriated) and white history studies of the United States. I can not say that I like Juan Atkins because I don't know him personally but I do love his music. I have been a fan of Detroit Techno since I heard Cosmic Car as a kid listening to the radio and Mojo. Tamara Harris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---End Message--- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Regarding Business
The point I was trying to make is that not wether Jaun or Oakenfold being one dj better than the other, it's the fact that Oakenfold speaks to more people with his music right now, even if there is some historical arguement against that he's not as pioneering, who gives a fuck? I don't like the anit-black references he's putting out there, when it's obvious he can't milk his DETROIT stauts much longer, that the hype is dying down, so he has to pull the RACE CARD. I'm tired of people who aren't the supersatr forever reverting back to a time that doesn't exist here anymore in the US. Maybe you can find racism elswhere, but it's certainly not in electronic music, unless, I suppose you work for UR, which is anti anything not black. The racsim thing is an attack on the culture on a whole, because people aren't trying to be part of their inner clique. If you aren't part of their marketing machine in Detroit, you are excluded. That early form of techno is not what you hear in the clubs, the parties, or anywhere here. Yet they still try to monopolize the spotlight. What was the DEMF? It wasn't representative of Detroit. It was a planet e, KMS, metroplex promo package. And if you think I'm wrong, you aren't in touch enough in the Detroit scene. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] On Carl and Action
Maybe I'm totally under a rock here, but did something happen with Carl Craig and the DEMF? Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
