Re: (313) It's that time again! (Movement Afterparties)
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for a slight less of a euro techno or larkin or may event, isnt the skate park party with kdj supposed to be pretty good. not sure. i still want chunky music and am unsure if it gets too soul and not enough bass. too soul?!?!?!?! how is that possible? Soul Skate last year was awesome, i'll be back this year. tom
Re: (313) kdj ny tonight
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone going tonight. anyone seen him this year. whats he been playing. kai alce is also playing with him, he is an outstanding deejay. it would be worth it to go for either one, for both it should be essential. tom
(313) final post from me
to anyone who thinks someone should be allowed to talk about my son because i am rude on an emailing list, please, come up to me in person and tell me that. i wont be hard to find at the festival, i work at 720 Records in pittsburgh every saturday, if you need to know my addess so you can come to my house and tell me, email me or contact me through my blog and i will get back to you with that information. for those too p*ssy or lazy to do any of the above, go f*ck yourselves. i'm out. tom
(313) final post from me
to anyone who thinks someone should be allowed to talk about my son because i am rude on an emailing list, please, come up to me in person and tell me that. i wont be hard to find at the festival, i work at 720 Records in pittsburgh every saturday, if you need to know my addess so you can come to my house and tell me, email me or contact me through my blog and i will get back to you with that information. for those too p*ssy or lazy to do any of the above, go f*ck yourselves. i'm out. tom
Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's very true - especially if you're looking beyond a niche. I can't keep up with all the good music. i disagree. almost every genre is the same, tons and tons of nonsense with just a few decent people making new stuff. in fact, i think it is easier for me to find things in the niche of what i really like because my taste is more refined, smaller differences end up being more pronounced. i love mikebee, but he has definitely played some nonsense at times in the past (i can remember him playing a bunch of Get Physical records a few years back, ewww!). he usually gets it more right than not, but he is also currently buying lots and lots of old records. tom
Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you talking about staying within the bounds of dance music though? There's amazing folk stuff going on - great music from all around the world - some very good/strong independent song writers - fantastic classical music i mean all music. i listen to lots of satellite radio, i listen to lots of random things that discover in all sorts of places. i find that about one new artist out of every few hundred i hear regardless of genre touches me enough that i care about their music. one of the last acoustic artists i heard that i liked was that Jose Gonzales guy whom i heard on satellite only to discover that his music was released on Peacefrog of all labels. Of course there's tons of nonsense but there always has been. Now with the way artists don't have to rely on record label $$ and the major label machine to get their music out you can find some really great music I'm constantly finding new great stuff via myspace - find one good artist and follow their links. you've found a good artist on myspace?!?!?! maybe our standards are different. i would rather listen to something i know i like than something that just isn't top notch. myspace is such a waste of time for me musically. it takes effort to find it all i put out tons of effort and i still get nothing. i definitely have a much higher rate of return on older music. i could just be a hater though, i've been accused of that in the past. tom
Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jose Gonzales is just scraping the surface of acoustic music You aren't going to hear a lot of the DIY labels on ANY radio that's where so much of it is at now if you say so. maybe i just dont really care that much. like i said, i listen to lots of different things from all over the place, nothing ever does it for me. yeah, just got to find the right artists and peruse their friends list i mean, i dont understand how i could never once in my life have found a single good artist on myspace who doesnt have things released on labels. i also havent found anything released on a net label that is worth anything. Not so much of a hater - fixed is a better description maybe? That's not meant as a putdown either i dont see how it is fixed to be actively looking for good music in all genres. Slagging off myspace completely because there's a major amount of garbage on there is not ever going into a record store because there's a lot of crappy CD shops you have to forget about the bad, make like a duck and let that water slide off your back myspace has given me zero return, how much should i keep looking if i find nothing? i just feel like good music finds its way into formats other than myspace. if i have to wait for it, ill wait, but it still isnt showing up. i follow peoples reccomendations, check out things ive heard about, things i havent heard about, etc. i think there really just isnt much good music being made today. i dont see why that can't be true. tom
Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeeesus christ - I think you must be autistic or i could just not listen to nonsense music. it must be about the same. tom
Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cos there couldn't possibly be any good music out there that you're not aware of well then, let's see some of there great artists that are out there that nobody knows about. i will tell you exactly why they are terrible. i always check out new things, i may not know every single good artist but i try my best to find them, and i come up with next to nothing when listening to new music. tom
Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because people, Luddites - naysayers - Dad rockers - old farts with slippers and pipes, have been saying those exact words for eons it all comes down to personal taste in music but i am not coming from that perspective of what is new to me is not good. i am coming from the perspective that none of what is out there is new to me, and none of it is interesting either. as much as anyone might disagree - you cannot argue taste if you argue taste you might as well be banging your head against a brick wall that's not a statement directed at you, just a - this is how it is thing people are free to like whatever they want, but i dont agree that quality is subjective. tom
Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: painting the world in absolutes is dangerous to the mind, soul, and spirit might as well we all give up then - you included might as well lay down and die nope. ah, but you're trying to put a corral, which is at best a concrete picket fence, around something that is abstract and untouchable nope. the result is it will continue to slip out, over, and under any kind of objective rules you try to wrap quality in nope. you can't see inside everyone's souls to see why they like the things they do but you can see inside the soul of the people making the music, which is what makes it either good or nonsense. outside of the technical, why they find quality in one person's playing and not in another's i think people just make it up at random. most people dont even really listen to music IMO. laying down objective parameters on quality is for people living in fragile worlds nope. in the end, your mind, like the concrete fence, will be rigid and stuck - unable to move from where you last put it nope. if you're sticking that fence around other people then you're ego trippin' to the highest degree nope. tom
Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man, you're more single-minded than that Austrian chap with the funny tache all music is equally good. tom
Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread
i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end how much people are on its jock. tom On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aye, some dubstep seems to be going 4/4. See also releases on Hessle Audio. Here's a mix I've been enjoying recently . . http://www.djdowee.com/dreamvol1/dowee-dreammix-march2008.mp3 1. likhan - uwill 2. pinch - 136 trek 3. likhan - terre 4. pangaea - nest 5. untold - test signal 6. appleblim peverelist - circling 7. scuba - outmost 8. peverelist - the grind 9. scuba - inmost 10. scuba - beta 11. peverelist - erstwhile rhythm (forsaken remix) 12. 2562 - circulate 13. benny ill vs. hatcha - poison 14. a made up sound - sleepwalk 15. 2562 - kameleon 16. pattie blingh - brother (2562 remix) 17. 2562 - channel two 18. ramadanman - carla 19. kode 9 vs. badawi - den of drumz 20. headhunter - locus lotus Rav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 April 2008 15:00 To: [313] Cc: Kowalsky Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread dave huismans ole! Kowalsky schreef: http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=93995 To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Nik Stoltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Weren't you raving about the last Burial album a few months back? Wouldn't people call that dubstep?. Not that it matters, I think. nah, that is 2-step. it really has no connection in beat patterns, sound pallette, or feel to anything in the dubstep genre, it shares many of those things with 2-step records though. When it comes to 'dubstep' I do not like it more or less than any other music - I just like good music. When you say you don't like dubstep, do you have a particular sound or artist in mind? Or do you literally not think much of a whole tranche of music much of which you won't have heard? ;) i like exactly none of it. most of it is either too angry, too boring, or just ridiculous sounding. i guess i dont mind the original blood on my hands by shackleton but its not good enough that i went out and bought it. and that is only one track! tom
Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: next dj kicks mix is going to be burial 'We hear whisperings from the studio that he may treat his dearest dubstep, techno and even r'n'b tracks with his unique production style before mixing them with exclusive material and... well watch this space' yeah i saw that the other day, should be very interesting. tom
Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did my message not come thru? it was about movement. and i agree with /0, pretty much, minus the enthusiasm why not just call it Big Rave X if that is all it is going to be? the problem is that they still want to market it with the name that is famous because of Detroit's music, but they want to book nonsense and garbage. if this thing was called anything but what it is, it wouldn't even be an issue because i dont think many people on here worry about super hyped raves anymore in 2008. why not just do it on another weekend, call it something else, make your money and let someone else do something that is more in line with the original festival's ideal on memorial day weekend, even if it is scaled back a ton? tom
Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, it's called Movement: Detroit's Electronic Music Festival. an amalgamation of the names previously used for the festival that was about detroit music. which is the problem. so i guess, if you want, you CAN see it as Big Rave X, big rave that happens to be in Detroit but we're going around in circles again... what circle is that? the only thing happening is the appropriation of name, music, and place by white people of a largely black culture. yes, we are going around that circle yet again, but this time it is happening in Hart plaza instead of in Europe. tom
Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:13 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not just call it Big Rave X if that is all it is going to be? because that's not all it is, it's not all or nothing. you're argument loses quite a bit of validity if you make sweeping generalizations to glaze over any details that contradict your opinion. it's hardly a super-hyped rave. Moby, The Cool Kids, Dieselboy, Benny Benassi, Deadmau5, Girl Talk, James Zabiela. if that isnt the definition of a pedestrian rave, i dont know what is. that's crazy talk. why doesn't somebody else just step up and lose their ass to throw a festival celebrating american electronic music, which has a tiny niche. then just dont do it at all. its better than being disingenuous at best, a profiteer at worst. like i said in my previous message, american electronic music ain't what it used to be. you have to have infrastructure before you can have an audience and these days american electronic music has neither. the american electronic music scene is WEAK, and has been for years, it is just not realistic to expect some idealized super dope festival... i dont want that, like i said, i would be more happy for a much smaller scaled back free thing that actually represented detroit than some rave. the sponsors won't go for it. i'm so glad that corporations dictate what music matters in detroit. sorry, but f*ck that nonsense. paxahau knows what it's doing. you're absolutely correct on this one, they do. it could be better, it's certainly fair to criticize it, but it's hardly so bad that it deserves the over-the-top insults you're throwing at it. i'm frustrated with state of things in the USA too. Paxahau can't fix that. instead of being the solution they are part of the problem. that is going to solve a lot. Regarding another festival...why does it have to be at Hart Plaza memorial day weekend? That's a huge space that involves a crapload of logistical obstacles (traffic, security, electricity/sound/gear for outdoors etc etc etc), and it's not the best timing either (summer vacations haven't yet started for most). I'd love to see a big party/festival without any BS, I'm sure it could be done. Somebody find a space outside city limits where noise and fire ordinances don't apply, budget the performers carefully, have it running concurrent to the festival, that would be great. I am not cut out for big crowds and overpriced beer anyways. i would be perfectly fine for things to happen somewhere else, and i would prefer outdoors as well as it is just more fun that way. but it has to be in the city. the rave can go to the suburbs, thats where all the attendees are coming from anyway. tom
(313) Stewart Walker Live in Iowa City 4-20-08
thanks to kent for this! http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/04/22/guest-mix-stewart-walker-live-in-iowa-city-4-20-08/
Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Farina Lawnchair Generals Miles Maeda Punisher good god - for every one good act they add three crap ones which is the good one?? inquiring minds want to know. tom
(313) A mix by Scott Ferguson of Ferrispark Records
we have a great eclectic mix by scott ferguson (our second guest mix by a guy named scott in a row, in fact!) over at ISM: http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/04/21/guest-mix-scott-ferguson-of-ferrispark-records/ tracklist: Brian Eno David Byrne Solo Guitar With Tin Foil My Life In the Bush of Ghosts Nitin Sawhney The Namesake Opening Titles The Namesake Dead Can Dance The Ubiquitous Mr Lovegrove Wake Alanis Morissette Uninvited MTV Unplugged: Alanis Morissette (Live) Scott Ferguson Blood Breath (Andrew Schultz Dedication Mix) For All Days, My Blood, My Brothers Stanley Clark Song to John (Part 1) Journey To Love Norman Connors The Creator has a Master Plan You Are My Starship Bill Evans Peace Piece The Best of Bill Evans Tom Waits Martha Closing Time Gordon Lightfoot The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald Summertime Dream Bobby Caldwell To Know What You've Got Cat In The Hat Scott Ferguson My Blood, My Brother (Steve Ferguson Dedication Mix) For All Days, My Blood, My Brothers Moodyman Freaky Mothah F*ckah KDJ (white label) it's got that moodymann everyone on here has been sweating! tom
Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:57 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as has been said, its not a detroit techno festival, its detroits electronic music festival. and Im glad. a yearly festival dedicated to any sub-genre would get boring and increasingly hard to market. detroit electronic music is not just techno, and it is not any one subgenre either. detroit has more people on the lineup than any one other city by FAR, so you, being a fan of detroit techno, should be happy with that. no. this list needs to snap out of this demf-is-a-celebration-of-detroit-techno mindset, because it just leads to cyclical wastes of time in the form of all this whining about lineups what needs to happen is that you need to move to a city where you can see all the crap artists that you miss out on all the time, and leave this list and detroit music alone. tom
Re: (313) Online ecord stores
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:39 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: then i go rush hour for the 80% of my wantlist that doesn't get any american distribution blargh i want so badly to support rush hour, hardwax and clone, but their shipping and total cost per record is just so much more expensive than Juno. i kind of hate juno, but ordering from them can be like 40% cheaper. tom
Re: (313) Randolph - earth 2 god - mike banks mix
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Southern Outpost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just picked up this 12 today at Amoeba, I had to do a double take on it, I saw Bank's name and wasn't sure its the right Banks until I read the small print. This is a hot remix, true UR soulful style with the classic stabs and strings you know and love. Great for the last track if the night, very uplifting! Check it out! i've been meaning to hunt this one down for a minute. i have the believer 12 with the jazzanova mix that is really dope, and i just recently got the whole Randolph album and it is pretty dope. i like the track he did with Waajeed especially. tom
Re: (313) Online ecord stores
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe because he is not in Europe, but in sunny BRazil, where it is basicaly cheaper to buy from US than from anywhere else. prices here are through the roof and selection sucks, i still dont get it. tom
Re: (313) Online ecord stores
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People, i'm in a mood of refreshing my roster of online record stores in the US. Can you point some good ones? The store must ship internationally, must be fast and eficient in replying mail and in shipping, must have a good catalog of classics and new releases and must have a decent site interface with audio samples. if youre outside the US, why would you need to order from the US? pretty much anywhere else has much better selection, especially for detroit related records. tom
Re: (313) Your last best detroit track
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: other than entertainment value of kill my radio station, i am unsure about this release. it almost feels like it was done with a rock drum kit in the sense of how quote quote raw it sounds, but raw does not necessarily mean killer. as much as ur are the finest in electronic music at many times, i think i just must not get it when some of the releases are significantly not inspired. not sure if i an setting myself up for slaughter posting so on this list, but i think i am not the only one who thinks that not every single release of theirs is the finest record ever. i love how when they do the more conventional melodic UR sound, they get criticized for sounding the same, and then when they try different things, they get criticized for that too. i think that even the weaker URs are more interesting than 95% of records released. tom
Re: (313) Track-ism mix
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Southern Outpost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure if this mix has been mentioned before, but I was checking out infinitestatemachine.com last night and grabbed the Track-ism mix ( http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/04/14/guest-mix-scott-from-trackwerk-blog/ ) mixed by Scott from Trackwerk. This mix is killing me right now, one hot track after another. thanks for the mention, this mix is definitely right up the alley of the deep and dubby techno fans on here. tom
Re: (313) TJ Kong / Slam
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, just out of interest the machine was 'mass' produced (for a synth!) and doesn't seem to me that rare, especially if you count the various versions how many have you seen in real life? i know some serious synth nerds, and i think ive only seen a couple. tmo
Re: (313) Plain text please, G-Mailers
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:39 PM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it's actually random -- it has something to do with stuff it finds in the mail header -- if someone sends you an HTML-format email the reply will be 'Rich formatting' because it will try to preserve the formatting in the quoted message. hmm, im not entirely sure if that's right either. i have mine set to ALWAYS use plain text and i have never had it reply in any other manner, no matter what it was in reply to. BTW, what is placid's email's craziness about? i get no text and like a blank .txt file attatched. tom
Re: (313) Plain text please, G-Mailers
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Thor Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's free, and reading 313 in gmail thread format is superior by far to both digest and individual messages. I don't know if gmail's still going by invite, but I have 99 if anyone wants one. I am a big advocate of reading 313 in gmail, personally. i cant imagine why anyone would use anything other than gmail at this point. its better than all other freemails, and its better than the stuff hosted by peoples' own domains as well. with gmail chat and reader all part of it, its the bomb. tom
Re: Fw: Re: (313) Plain text please, G-Mailers
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i cant imagine why anyone would use anything other than gmail at this point Well let me help. I don't use gmail or any other hosted mail because I prefer not to have my mail stored on anyone's hard drive but my own. It is often said that, Google doesn't live in our world, we live in theirs, but despite my admiration for Google I don't agree to that. youre a h4x0r like that tom
Re: (313) TJ Kong / Slam
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM, KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know if anything links theses two EP ? http://www.discogs.com/release/829621 http://www.discogs.com/release/943965 I have just noticed that Azure and The Deep End have the same synth line. I tryed to find some clue on the web unsuccessfully. I may be be late on this one..sorry. Thanks. i'm pretty sure i remember reading somewhere that the Slam synth line is a preset from some machine/program out there, i guess maybe more than one person thought it would be a good idea to jack it? tom
Re: (313) TJ Kong / Slam
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Jochem Peteri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think its in the Arp 2600(from the Arturia collection i think, the original machine is quite rare...) also i dont think the original had any presets ;) tom
Re: (313) Daniel Bell 7 Hour set at the Bunker tonight
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Jeffrey Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the speakers fell and hit my friend in the leg on the way to the ground, and almost plowed over some girl that was like 4'11. wild, when he played in pittsburgh a month or two ago, a speaker fell and nearly took out this list's own jwan allen. i guess this is a recurring problem with dan's recent sets? On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Todd Sines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it was dope.. more housey and less mnml, thank god. exactly the opposite of when he played here, he played nothing resembling house which was quite different from all the other times ive seen him. too bad for us! tom
Re: (313) Booooooo!!!!!
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah but it was Matt Dear who got ripped off, and he's not as good a producer ;P true! are we gonna start lamenting when producers video cards die or when they upgrade their ram? But that RAM was used on the classic track X!!! He can't get rid of that! tom
Re: (313) Booooooo!!!!!
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One day, in a club, when i turned back to get the next record and put the one i just pulled off in the sleeve, there was thus GUY, browsing my records like he was in a record store! And he didn't bother at all i was starring at him and tapping his shoulder. He was like doing the most natural thing in the world, like he was choosing a record he wanted me to play. it is perfectly acceptable to sock a person for doing this. tom
Re: (313) Booooooo!!!!!
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:08 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: stealing a harddrive *at all* is complete weaksauce. and of course tom gets a kick out of it.. he identifies with that mentality i steal harddrives all the time, that's my job in fact. because i love harddrives. i collect them. tom
Re: (313) Mixing media...
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:10 PM, T63 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a thought... Instead of creating a digital vs. analog/vinyl method of mixing, why not mix both? My mixer has 4 channels, why not use one for a PC and have 2 or 3 turntables, if you can do that, at the same time? You have your entire library and can still mix and scratch vinyl (not Serato) Honor your history, don't fear the future Seems like a win-win.. travel with a small record bag and your digital library. Makes traveling more practical as well. Bueller? my records keep crashing, maybe i need to update their OS. tom
Re: (313) Booooooo!!!!!
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:17 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dunno about that, but you surely have the worlds largest collection of stupid comments they were all on the harddrive i stole from you. tom
Re: (313) Booooooo!!!!!
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:20 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hows your kid, tom? tom
Re: (313) Mixing media...
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Michael Pujos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow that was super unfunny it is a little known fact that i am an aspiring comedian. tom
Re: Re: (313) Mo Movement Acts
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:49 PM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And ya outed Josh -- he's been a lurker for years. thankfully he stopped posting, URB has been pretty hilarious under his editorship. tom
Re: (313) Booooooo!!!!!
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM, theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's nearly as pathetic are the idiots who turn it into a vinyl vs. digital culture war or simply think it's a hoot. i think its a hoot. a whole harddrive? wow that must be so hard to replace. i feel so bad for him. not. One wonders how they might feel if someone helped himself to their belongings. If that's what being 'hipster' is all about, the 'scene' deserves to collapse. its pretty hard to run out of a club with the deejay's record bag, though im sure it has been done before. i dont know why anyone would assume people are anything but theives, i know i dont ever let my records out of my sight when i have them out. tom
Re: (313) Booooooo!!!!!
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:02 PM, theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dramatic irony is always the best kind. too bad they didnt steal his whole laptop, i hear those are really hard to come by these days. tom
(313) Juju Jordash: Moonship Journey
we have a new mix by JJJ up at ISM, check it out here: http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/04/07/guest-mix-juju-jordash-moonship-journey/ tracklist: 1.Art Ensemble of Chicago- Reese and the Smooth Ones - Affinity 2.Sun Ra - Moonship Journey - Innercity 3.Tangerine Dream - Sorcerer OST Main Title - MCA 4.Drexcia - Oxyplasmic Gyration Beam - Tresor 5.Zazou Bikaye Cy1 - Lamuka - Crammed Discs 6.UB40-Return of Dr. X - Epic 7.Cabaret Voltaire - Black Mask -Rough Trade 8.Klaus Schulze - Irrlicht - Ariola 9.The Human League -Do Or Die Dub - Virgin 10.Patrice Scott - Raw Fusion - Sistrum 11.Omar S - Psychotic Photosynthesis - FXHE 12.Grackle- Grackle Jungle(Legowelt remix) - Strange Life 13.Newworldaquarium - The Force - Delsin 14.David Sylvian/Holger Czukay - Premonition - Virgin 15.Chas Jankel - Just A Thought - AM 16.Grace Jones - Unlimited Capacity for Love - Island 17.Kraftwerk - Tongebirge - Philips tom
Re: (313) Your last best detroit track
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Carlos de Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, it's Omar-S - Psychotic Photosynthesis, love it: http://www.discogs.com/release/1187233 that one has to be the most recent detroit anthem, it seems like everyone likes it. tom
Re: (313) Your last best detroit track
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love this too. Needs remastering though, both my copies had clipping on the kicks in parts. Shame really. really? i didnt notice that on mine, ill have to check it again. that kind of thing usually jumps out at me (like on the acid jam on malik pittman's last unirhythm record, that sh*t drives me crazy). tom
Re: (313) Your last best detroit track
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:03 AM, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah exactly like that release.. Maybe I need to use spherical needles not elyptical? (ortofon nightclub s not e) if there is digital clipping, it could be from clipping your mixer (if it is digital) or it would have to be from the original recording. i doubt that a mastering job could even fix that. tom
Re: (313) Your last best detroit track
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:15 AM, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've noticed Theo has these problems too with his stuff. Even on CDs. on which tracks? theo distorts his kicks on many old records, but that sound is very different from digital clipping. that malik pittman records and the one track on AOS-004 by omar-s are definitely digital clipping, that sound kills me. redlining your kick on a mixing board is a much different sound, one i tend to enjoy! tom
Re: (313) Mo Movement Acts
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 3:18 PM, John Sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carl Craig Cobblestone Jazz -live DBX -live Deepchord presents Echospace -live Egyptian Lover -live Electrobounce.com presents DATABASS ghetto tech Mike Grant Mike Huckaby Minx Newcleus –live Peanut Butter Wolf Pete Rock Reggie Hotmix Harrell Soundmurderer Terrence Parker they could put this all on one day and i could save money not buying the weekend pass and miss all the other nonsense. tom
Re: (313) monolake vs technique
his set at DEMF last year was more interesting than almost all of his records. he definitely seemed to be more into the end product than any nonsensical twiddling. tom On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:49 PM, free what? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of his music almost approaches DB / 2-step with his programming, but he's also into 4/4 stuff and just about everything in between. Yet he continually makes it all very listenable. And for what it is, incredibly funky.. I had the opportunity to have dinner with him before he played NZ recently . A very giving person . who was willing eager to take user requests for ableton live over a Thai curry. Only 1 hours after giving a two hour workshop on Live. (which was really interesting too .. (sales pitch?)) He was saying that Dubstep is the sound that is influencing him at the moment and his current meddling are in the area between electronic and these types of half steps. I found his live (monodeck) set to be quite remarkable. It was incredible to see/hear someone play a dj style set in a live format (if that makes sense). He was playing tracks like a Dj, picking and choosing what to do next, but was not in anyway limited to just nursing the sequencer in its inevitable program. The feeling remained like a Dj set, where you felt at any point he could (and did) choose to drop it or break it down .etc. He argues strongly (and proves it live) that the interface is the future of computer based music. However he talked a lot about thinking about your set/interface, creating limitations and then working with in these parameters. He felt that in this digital age of possibility, the best results come from working within a set of boundaries you make for yourself. ie. 10 buttons, 10 faders, 10 knobs. 10 banks (?) (Which is the universal success of the Dj medium. bring on Claude Young!) .. I did ask him weather he would call his music minimal or techno .. he didn't really bite either way and preferred electronic to minimal but admitted n long term affinity to techno and Detroit. (telling a great story about sitting next to Mills on a plane, having no idea who he was, but being surprised at his knowledge about Detroit techno!) However it was conversations with monolake that started thoughts about minimal being a production technique as much as a genre. In the regard of setting yourself a framework of limitations and creating with in that. Where Dub perhaps was a technique developed as a result of limited access to gear, and studio boffins using what they had in new ways. Minimal is a result of an almost infinite access to options through software, that is best managed by develops a self imposed philosophy of limitations. Obviously technique is no filter for quality. However a technique might help the music develop itself and create some direction in a sound. Turning efforts towards musical content as opposed to gadget/widget content. .. I thought monolake and his music was very refreshing. The greatest aspect of his show in NZ being that he brought a new audience out to listen to electronic music. Something that many recent visits by old masters has failed to do. It kept me pulsing on the floor, knees up and all that. I would tender that the relationship between techno and dubstep is in the production values of using space sonic density. There is also a closer BPM relationship in that dubstep is nearer to half of techno than half of other breaks styles. etc .simon
Re: (313) monolake
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while i admire the dude's monodeck engineering skillz, i've found that what i've listened to by him has been painfully forgettable. yet, people consistently recommend him, so i'm curious... is there any monolake release that holds up to the relatively high standards we have on this list? i like some of his oldest chain reaction stuff that's on this one: http://www.discogs.com/release/652 and i have to say, i recall liking polygon cities. its different from the older stuff, but it had some nice clean round sounding jams on it. tom
Re: (313) Returning this week
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detroit Escalator Company. he also wrote some really long thesis or something about electronic music IIRC. Brother Neil is Ibex of Planet E fame. you've got it backwards! tom
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:40 AM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. i dont use minimal as a dirty word, i use mnml as a dirty word. there is a difference. I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. that's really all i would ask of anyone. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as hip can only be a good thing. More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed the London techno scene. the thing is, how long has mnml been popular before that finally started to really happen? rob hood's Fabric mix is getting more love than his really good Hood Music 12s have. dub techno's very general popularity is pretty interesting, but it will take even more time to see if this will be something more than just the next fad. tom
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The downside I feel is that the idiosyncrasies that makes the music of people like Robert Hood and Omar-S for example so exciting was their relative musical isolation in Detroit. Certainly with more exposure in Europe I think with regard to recent releases from both of these artists in particular I think that this has been watered down slightly. i don't agree, i think there is some really nice stuff on the 3 hood musics and omar-s' last 12 is one of his best! i dont think either is really making concessions in their own production to europe, though from hood's DEMF set a couple years back i feel like he still has moments of greatness in with the weaker times deejaying. tom
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Resident Advisor's DJ pages are quite interesting. Obviously it's meant to be a hybrid of DJ/Live acts that users vote on as their favourites, but interestingly the top 20 or so make for interesting reading, given that it's meant to be a minimal loving site. i feel like they are trying to do a better job with their coverage, they've had a good bit of more detroit and melodic real techno coverage of late. i'm still not 100% satisfied, but i have to say they are making a good effort. tom
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason, reading this reminded me of one of my favorite quotes of all time (taken from the Epilogue section of the Sex Pistols' The Filth And The Fury DVD, with a bunch of talking head interviews): It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you. -- Richard Hell of course this idea makes no sense. if everyone felt this way, we would all be sitting around waiting for one another to do something interesting. what good is that? tom
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 3:33 PM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It only makes sense if you take a look, and then do something. I don't think he advocates making, as this quote in isolation seems to suggest, a guiding principle out of waiting around for something to happen. Observation and action are complementary. i agree, you should be doing equal parts of both. the idea that all adults and all kids think one way is pretty stupid anyway. all idiots do without thinking, and all useless people think without doing. tom
Re: (313) detroit this weekend
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:19 AM, rob theakston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you haven't yet, i highly endorse a todd osborn dj set. he's played some of my favorite sets in recent years. i see he is playing with gillespie and mr sines on friday night at oslo. i would say the probability of me going to that is pretty high! tom
(313) detroit this weekend
i'm gonna be in the 313 this weekend from friday afternoon through sunday morning. is anything good going on, especially on the house tip? i think you guys know where my tastes lie. tom
(313) earth hour: detroit
http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/articleslideshow?articleId=USSP28389220080330channelName=newsOne#a=1 weird to see it look like that. tom
Re: (313) Movement Update (Redbull, Myspace and Dieselboy)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Virtually any festival of any note in the last few years has grown in this manner. The first few line-ups are always amazing, and then as it grows, costs escalate and other factors concerning the future viability of the project become prominent, and as such other, more commercial aspects get involved. It's also difficult to try to downscale such a project once it gets to a certain size. everybody else is doing it is a good reason to become wack? i dont see what the problem with scaling back in order to not turn this festival into a joke is. tom
Re: (313) Movement Update (Redbull, Myspace and Dieselboy)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're not taking into account the commercial viability of this. In Europe we're lucky because a lot of festivals have considerable funding from various councils and organisations in order to get them to go ahead. The only festival I can think of that that doesn't really run ' according to commercial foibles is Montreux, and that's been backed from the start by rich philanthropy. see, i think this is the problem. everyone got dollar signs in their eyes due to the unexpectedly large crowds that had wildly incorrect estimates in the early years. then when they started charging and keeping the entrances gated, it became obvious that these numbers were not right. instead of scaling back to something that could be done to serve all groups of people who had been actually attending the festival (let's break it down into say the international techno crowd, ravers, and locals who might not have known much if anything about the music but came through to have a good time) and who would be likely to continue to support it, they decided to go the megarave route. now they are pushing out the other groups of people (international presence definitely seems way way way down in the past couple of years likely due to the type of lineups, the locals mostly got out when the festival got crazily expensive) at the expense of the groups LEAST likely to continue to support the festival on a regular basis: the transient fickle raver crowd. Although I've not been, I don't think that is the case in Detroit. It has to be commercially viable in order to succeed in the future. Now, it may be that in say, 5 or 6 years time, the ' festival may be successful enough nationwide for them to realise their dreams of putting on at least in part the festival that everyone on 313 wants it to be. You may have to be patient for it to happen I'm afraid. They either put on a festival that no-one turns up to and they lose all their money on, or they pocket enough money to be able to do it next year. why be patient for something that already happened to happen again? if you think this is the future of where this festival is going, i think you are sorely mistaken. the goodness of the festival already happened, and a large part of what made it so interesting has been banished. and then suddenly in 5 or 6 years when DEMF is trying to straight up compete with WMC (which is stupid anyway, why would someone go to detroit when they could go to florida instead?) why would they switch back? it doesnt make sense. this is not the route to take in order for the festival to be what it should be and has been. The fact that Paxahau are doing it I think means that those guys I'm sure will be carrying the flame for Detroit Techno all along, but it'll take time. Landscapes and crowds change - and mindsets have to as well. right. tom
Re: (313) 4th April (Next Friday ) SüdElectronic With Rik Wade-Detroit (London Debut ) , KSoul ,Portable/Bodycode, Phonopsia
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody atending to this: you cannot miss Bass Clef. He's one the greatest producers to emerge from the UK Garage/Dubstep scene. that is some faint praise if i've ever heard it ;) aside from that, i disagree. tom
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you messing with me or are you serious? I would assume that a guy in the music producing industry would have seen at least one copy of Sheet One or Musik. Just my opinion. I wasn't listening to dance music when Sheet One came out, but I saw it in the stores and thought 'wow, someone used a sheet of blotter as a cd cover. Then, there was the whole arrest of the kid that had the cd in his car when he was pulled over in Arizona. *shrug you should never underestimate peoples' ignorance. especially not in the modern drum and bass or dubstep scenes in which all influences seem to come from within their own genre, knowledge of music history seems to be completely lost on them. tom
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 6:35 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify. much like everything you say! tom
Re: (313) Moodymann - the OC (was: venting)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 6:36 PM, fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heard the very short clips over at Sounds of the Universe (http://www.soundsoftheuniverse.com/releases/?id=11456) and i very much like what i heard. it is really really good. Forgive me as i haven't been following Moodymann lately, I thought he was either getting to housey or formulaic for my tastes, but has he been on some sort of new tip? he hasnt been formulaic or even very housey at all, since at least 2004. his releases have been strange and it is debatable if some is even house at all (his last one on Mahogani before this, black mahogani 2, etc). i dont know why you wouldnt be paying attention, some of his best tracks have been released in the past few years: the 2 private collections, ampapella, From what i hear it seems he has been making stripped down dirty techno (God forbid i say the word minimal) and the last track sounds almost krunk. if anything, until these past 2 with mick collins id say he was leaning far more jazzy, but these 2 have been very odd. this newest one is really good. tom
Re: (313) Moodymann - the OC (was: venting)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 7:28 PM, fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i knew you would have answered like this tom why, because ignoring one of the most consistent producers out there for some invented reason is ridiculous? if your assessment had any standing in the reality of his output, my answer would have been nothing like it was. tom
Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the actual drum n' bass scene, i totally agree with you. But in dubstep, if you listen closely, putting the formulaic parachuters aside, you'll find influences of dub (of course) techno, oriental progressions, jazz, soul, various types of tribal percussions, dancehall and hip-hop. to my ears, when i hear the music i dont hear any of that stuff (aside from the gratuitous oriental thing that was popular for a while) especially compared to when the music was just 2-step. If what you're really saying is that the majority of style followers take influences only of that style itself, i agree. It happens in all styles, including techno and house. i feel like you will always have subsets of techno and house music influenced by disco, jazz, latin music, r+b, etc. and of course they mix it up, too. in dubstep it seems to be largely trend hopping in its influences, and they always seem to be more second hand than direct. for example, all this talk about techno influencing dubstep hasnt produced much that really sounds like techno in any way. it is like some distorted idea of what techno should be. Due to their popularization as club music, the number of generic, functional and unexpressive tunes we can find, comming from techno and house areas, are like the number of grains of sand in a beach. well of course there are tons of nonsense releases in the genres that have been around for 20 years, i just tend to completely ignore them ;) tom
Re: (313) Giles Peterson / C2
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spent the night listening to minimal techno. I thought I liked Daniel Bell, but I really wasn't feeling his set last Saturday. when he played in pittsburgh recently he was pretty good, despite some sections of questionably mnml type stuff. it was not the best set ive seen from him though, in fact, it may have been the worst. but it was by no means bad! tom
Re: (313) re: Kwame OT
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Mar 2008, at 15:47, Robert Taylor wrote: Detroit doesn't have that pull anymore - it's Baltimore now! Who told you that Rob? Bubbles? Great program tho, totally addicted. you guys are mad late. ive been watching since ep 1! tom
Re: (313) re: Kwame OT
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put it this way. I want to go to Baltimore on holiday. I've never felt the need to do so in Detroit. baltimore and detroit are very similar in many respects. they are both two of my favorite places to go! you should definitely check both out. tom
Re: (313) re: Kwame OT
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, I'm on ep 2 and watching only one show a week - old school style. Best TV I've seen in a long time, some of the shots and detail is amazing. oh just wait, it gets much much much better. tom
Re: (313) C2 / Dan Bell
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed a lack of variety in his set, like the overall feel never changed. There were no moments where the sound gets a little darker, just everything plodding along in the same vein. Sometimes I think DJs think too much on the overall style without thinking about making people dance. Technically he was faultless, but just uninspiring. usually when i have seen him, he plays a good bit of house. this past time, there was none of that. it might have been more interesting for those not into house, but i love house music ;) tom
Re: (313) The Wire
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe not now, but in the long run it'll be seen for the classic bit of TV that it really is. i agree, i feel like in 10 years people might be able to begin to appreciate what was so great about it. but it is forreal, it will be around for a long time, like a classic in any medium. a true masterpiece. tom
Re: (313) Movement Update (Redbull, Myspace and Dieselboy)
interesting that some of the most interesting and the absolute worst of the announced lineup will be on the RBMA stage. considering the people theyve had at their sessions, youd think that they would have better selections. myspace? deez? weakness. tmo On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: discuss: Detroit - May 24, 25 and 26th will bring Detroit alive with sounds from Movement 08: Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival in Hart Plaza with the Red Bull Music Academy, MySpace promotion and a higher level of production. Movement 08 also announces discounted tickets on sale now. The Red Bull Music Academy will join Movement 08 by producing a stage that reflects a broad range of musical talent from around the world. The Red Bull Music Academy Stage will replace the Pyramid Stage and include performances by: Newcleus, Egyptian Lover, Shawn Michaels, James Zabiela, Benny Bennassi, The Cool Kids,Girl Talk, DATABASS (featuring Godfather), Justin Kruse, Tech Itch and Dieselboy. Also joining this year as a media partner is the vastly popular, global online social networking site MySpace. Having grown over the previous years to become the largest online social network, MySpace is utilized by many artists and fans to connect and keep in touch with each other, adding an intimate element to the usual marketing channels. MySpace?s interest in working with the Movement Festival validates an already well known fact - Detroit?s Electronic Music Festival is an event that is continuing to grow and attract attention on a worldwide scale. After the last two years of progress and reviews the festival is getting some well deserved attention, notes festival director Jason Huvaere, there will be no question what?s happening in Detroit on Memorial Day weekend. In addition, this year?s event will increase the level of production regarding sound at the main stage and weather structures to protect attendees. Movement 08 will also bring back the underground stage, where Paxahau?s involvement in the festival began. We have taken great measures to bring the production to an even higher level, says Mike Fotias, Movement Production Manager, We understand that attendees come here expecting nothing but the best and we are determined to deliver. also there's this FREEP article http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080327/ENT04/803270434 MEK
Re: (313) relax re: demf
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:55 AM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given that a) the City of Detroit can't or won't support the festival in terms of paying for insurance and crowd control and b) in order to survive, the festival needs to at least break even, maybe it's the better part of valor to give Paxahau a little latitude on booking. Since it isn't the 313-list Electronic Music Festival. a little latitude is one thing. how much do they need? the quality of the crap they book keeps going down, more and more lowest common denominator nonsense. girl talk is a serious joke. as for moby, i am at least willing to say he could possibly do something decent. i'm not expecting it but i can't be that mad at that particular booking. but girltalk? the cool kids? this is turning into ironic hipster fest 08. tom
Re: (313) relax re: demf
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:27 AM, M Ng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I know, certain people in Detroit with influence already expressed their views (ie take a break this year and plan carefully) and Paxahau chose to go on. These people are still supportive of Paxahau, which is great. i feel less and less like this festival has anything to do with detroit every year. nothing about that is great. if detroit is really so starved for bad music, the people should just move anywhere else. there is no shortage of crap like girltalk in any city in the US. if detroit really doesnt get that, people should be thankful for it. In turn, I just feel we should now be at least be supportive of Paxahau, rather than write off and whinge about everything. If you feel so strongly about the steps they have taken, why not just write to them directly? it is not my job to do that. If the community on the ground in Detroit is being supportive, then at least we should be too. the community on the ground? who is that exactly? We should be writing about the things we are excited to see in Detroit, rather than the things we don't want to see. i disagree. tom
Re: (313) relax re: demf
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM, UI Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evolution is part of life. but this is deevolution. tom
Re: (313) Re: Moby in tha D
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 6:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 20 years time they'll be posting on whatever they have then saying hey can you believe it? Benny Benassi was cool back in '08 - look in this old line up I found he is sandwiched between Alton Miller and Carl Craig that would be funny if it wasnt so sad and so true. tom
Re: (313) Josh Wink @ Movment 08
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: saw it on another message board and checked his myspace page http://www.myspace.com/joshwink May 26 2008 8:00P WiNK @ DEMF, Detroit(To Be Confirmed) Detroit, Michigan Oh yeah, and Dubfire http://www.myspace.com/djdubfire May 26 2008 8:00P DEMF @ Hart Plaza Detroit exciting! not. tom
Re: (313) Josh Wink @ Movment 08
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fxcking girl talk?! ...whatevs... i hate that that guy is from pittsburgh. what a piece of sh*t. people who listen to his music are stupid. tom
Re: (313) Josh Wink @ Movment 08
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: his music? I though he just played other people's and claimed it as his own you mean making corny mashups dont make you a real artist? tom
Re: (313) DEMF some names announced finally
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that said, I'll be in the jungles of south america pioneering new cocaine smuggling routes and arranging the sale of tom cox to the venezuelans you certainly won't be anywhere near me, and we all know why. it's similar to the reason fred gianelli thinks it is cute to take pictures of me from 100 yards away but wouldnt come talk to me. tom
Re: (313) Josh Wink @ Movment 08
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what fun is a festival full of everything you've already heard? i have already heard josh wink, benny bennassi, dubfire, james zabiela, moby, and tech itch. that isnt the problem, the problem is that they are all terrible nonsense. imagine giving something different a chance and being pleasantly suprised. when they book something different, i will do that. I've heard josh play some great stuff in detroit, and I'm sure he's played some weak stuff there and elsewhere. i'm sure he played some great stuff, if you love trash. and to whoever said he plays for the crowd GOOD. isn't that what a good DJ does? would you rather him trance-rape your ears for an hour in a fit of egomania? forcing it, forcing it, forcing it, because he assumes you just dont get it yet but that with a few more tracks, his enlightenment will become obvious and you'll have no choice but to Rave. DJs fall off as soon as they assume the listeners are idiots and that what they (the DJ) like is what constitutes good music incorrect. tom
Re: (313) DEMF some names announced finally
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Roberto Ty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah man this just plain sucks. I get debating the lineup merits, but personal attacks and what not. Give it a rest please. tell /0 to quit being stupid and i bet the personal attacks will cease. tom
Re: (313) DEMF some names announced finally
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Hiro night's feature a combination of bottle service for the yuppie corporate party crowd and the art school / hipster / nyu electro - indie - hipsterclash music, a la justice / nu-rave / daft punk, etc. Looks like Moby is looking for some action. sounds promising if you like nonsense. tom
Re: (313) mutek - actual lineup of A festival, at least
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:17 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do you know that you're not asleep right now? it must be a nightmare if he is, since you're posting in it. tom
Re: (313) This appears to be completely revolutionary unless I'm missing
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that guy can wear his beard with pride, looks useful but there's no way it will be able to split complex sounds. i disagree, ive been doing something similar in my DSP class where we take a DFT of a signal and then search it for the high points (basically, the individual tones) and then shape a bandpass filter that will take out only the bit around those frequencies. it might be difficult to do it with the precision to make each sound still sound good standing alone, but i would guess that someone with a beard like that and a bunch more years experience with DSP should be able to handle it. what seems like it would be really hard is the bit that analyzes and names the chord and then will replay it in any other key or scale or mode. that sh*t is pretty bananas. the best part is that i find this stuff technically fascinating, but artistically bankrupt. tom
Re: (313) This appears to be completely revolutionary unless I'm missing
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it might be difficult to do it with the precision to make each sound still sound good standing alone thinking about this a little more, what would make this challenging is taking out not only the fundamental frequency but each of the most important harmonics as well. for each note, that could get difficult. but still definitely doable. tom
Re: (313) This appears to be completely revolutionary unless I'm missing
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First thing I said when I saw it was, why not play it right the first place (I know that not the complete point) but I agree with you here Tom. it's just like auto-tune, but for instrumentalists. it makes playing music a gigantic joke. but since im not an artist i cant have any opinion on that. tom
Re: (313) demf 2008
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:27 AM, M Ng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that is an entirely different comment on a completely different issue and doesn't even belong on this 313 thread. i 3 complacency. tom
Re: (313) DBX in DC
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's the funny thing about DC. it's 'decent' since an act worth seeing is around every few months. try living in pittsburgh where its every few years. if you're lucky. tom
Re: (313) demf 2008
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with MNG and Greg about this. The festival itself isn't what it used to be, and so what. I'm just glad there is something and this is how we get things like george bush for president. thank god there is something. tom
Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:32 AM, UI Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK... I'm sorry, but I practically choked on my morning coffee when I read this... Frank, I had such higher opinions of you than this!! You think the overall number of performers increased? They've consistently had 4 stages sometimes 5 throughout the years, same hours too.. simple math would tell you thats not humanly possible... that's Ok that you might've miscalculated that, forgivable... hmmm, im actually not so sure about that. i remember people getting lots of longer sets earlier, these past couple of years many people have been restricted to only 1 hour sets. i dont know if there have definitely been more performers recently, but it feels like it is possible with such short set times. but here's where I choked on my coffee... you think there's a finite number of DJs and producers in Detroit?!! WHAT??!! Do some research, go back to school, learn about not just the history of where it began, but also where it has evolved to, because your comment is dead wrong. This city has more amazing DJs, Producers, and live musicians laying beats on techno tracks than I could ever book if I was producing a 5 day festival with 4 stages, making every stage Detroit only. there are cats all over the place in detroit! but even more importantly than the actual detroit guys that they book, i think the detroit related artists have been consistantly going down to the point where many people playing probably dont even care that they are in detroit as opposed to any other city. tom
Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:29 PM, UI Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry Tom, maybe it's my shortage of sleep or the mass amounts of coffee I had this morning... but I keep trying to comprehend what your saying with this and I can't . If its important, can you rephrase this? Make it simple so my mind thats too tired to keep up with the racing caffeine can comprehend. okay guys, try not to hurt yourselves ;) say you have 5 stages from noon-midnight for 3 days every year. that is 180 performance hours each year. now, for the early years, let's say average set lengths were 2 hours. that gives you 90 2 hour performances. assuming each one is by a different performer, that is 90 performers. now lets say for the more recent ones that the average set length decreased just a slight bit to 1.5 hours per set. that now gives you 120 1.5 hour performances. assuming each one is by a different performer, that is 120 performers with only a small change in average set times. and if the total number of detroit artists remained exactly the same each year (for sake of argument, let's go with 30 per year) the percentage of total artists who are from detroit would change from 33.3% in years with 90 artists to 25% in years with 120 artists. this was in response to you saying You think the overall number of performers increased? They've consistently had 4 stages sometimes 5 throughout the years, same hours too.. simple math would tell you thats not humanly possible... except that simple math shows that it is indeed very possible to have more performers by just shortening the length of each set. and since the published set information is not really reliable, it may be impossible to actually guage whether or not the set lengths are shorter, but it seems to me over the past 2 years especially there have been a lot more 1 hour sets than there were in years past. tom
Re: (313) demf 2008
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't the last year's lineup on the site because i keep getting redirected to the photo gallery, but the press release highlights Jeff Mills, Moodymann, and Model 500?! press releases highlighting stuff isnt going to draw the international crowd when they have better overall choices out there for festivals to attend. they can try window dressing all they want, people are not stupid. any detroit emphasis they try to give off is a joke. There have been joke acts every year, and the rave crowd started showing up in spades at least two years before Paxahau took over. no joke acts as bad as the drum and bass jokers last year and in 06, or Booka Shade last year. there were other specific lowlights, but 06 featured large chunks of the day where i couldnt find anyone playing any good music at all and last year featured some of the worst crap ive heard coming out of the speakers in the years i have done. i dont care about some ravers coming, that doesnt bother me. but when it is all ravers and no international crowd and very few normal locals, you have lost the entire flavor of what the festival was about. tom
Re: (313) Kraftwerk US shows in April
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 19 Minneapolis, MN - Myth 20 Milwaukee, WI - Eagles Ballroom 23 Denver, CO - The Fillmore 26 Indio, CA - Coachella Music Festival man, that is weak. my son wants to see Kraftwerk S much, but the closes one to me is Milwaukee and im not driving 10 hours there nor can i afford to fly the whole family for one night. that sucks. we'll just have to wait and hope that they come back next year for a full tour. tom
Re: (313) demf 2008
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:54 AM, M Ng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: think we can all cut Paxahau some slack and let the festival improve gradually. improve gradually? at the rate they are improving now, the festival will be completely worthless in a year or two. i love the better organization and the good sound systems, but some of the artists over the past 2 years have been a gigantic joke. maybe you want to go back to bad raves, but i feel like that is devoid of any culture at all in 2008. things can always be better but I don't know if you all realise how negative you all sound, as if it was better if it wasn't happening at all. i sound negative because i am negative. they could get many more worldwide visitors for this event by having the lineup out already. they just dont care to, they want to get the local rave population. how else am i supposed to feel about that? i dont want the detroit ibiza connection, that is absolutely worthless. tom
