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they do not. although- providing the park, police precence and clean-up services isn't nothing. the city just ain't paying dj fees On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Redmond, Ja'Maul wrote: I still can't believe that the city doesn't pay a dime. Down here (charlotte) the city pays for most of the chessy music festivals we have and they don't draw anywhere near a million + people. Do any of you guys in Detroit know whether the city helps for other festivals in the city. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:17 PM To: Erin Bate Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; /0 Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement Well, it's not just Derrick, Kevin Saunderson is part of it as well. So what part of the business do they need to run better? Is it the getting sponsors to support them during a crappy economy part? Is it the trying to convince the politicians/city to cough up some cash part? Is it the part about putting up even more of your own personal money or getting monstrous loans just to throw an event and go into major debt? I'd like to know... Derrick can take all the business classes in the world but if nobody is going to give up some money to support Movement - it ain't going to happen again. How long do we hold onto our checks before there isn't another festival? MEK Erin Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thms.comcc: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement 06/01/04 02:51 PM I would hold on to your check until derrick takes some business classes. ~E From the outside, Movement 2004 looked like a success. But Movement 2005 is in a precarious spot. Detroit can't let this slip away. this is an excellent article - really says it like it is. I think everyone who has ever enjoyed Movement or the DEMF should read this I didn't go this year but I'd like to make some donations so I can go again next year where do I send my check?
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red bull was a huge sponsor last year (free red bull and barcardi all weekeds- groan) evidentally, they were treated rather poorly (heard this from a girl in LA who used to work for red bull and who has never even been to detroit- so it must have been pretty bad) nothing but some free miller on-site this year, hidden so it didn't get drank. and no giant inflatable beer bottle like past years. On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: was Red Bull there this year? I can't even remember if it was last year -doh!- but Red Bull in Europe do alot for clubs/events etc they really go out of there way to help...but as you say blue chips would be good as well as bigger brands also Vestax are good for events but off course you gotta use Vestax's thru and thru which aint bad ..I am sure they tried all avenues but to be honest I find it hard ebough myself just dealing with family/work/djing and producing net along trying to organise a free event for the masses so hats off to Derrick, Kevin and Co... -Original Message- From: Steward, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 02/06/2004 15:38 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement Yes the city does help out with some of the other festivals But there is also tons of sponsors at other events, the booth rental rates were too much for a small business to jump on at least for me. These were the cost $200.00 to the city for license $2200 for the 10x10 booths with no sides $3700 for the 12x12 booth with sides. so on the low end a small business would need to sell $2400 worth of merchandise just to break even. So for me it was not in my budget. There were no major sponsors at all, a couple years ago Ford was a major sponsor, and I work for a big computer company that moved downtown last year and nobody approached them. These are they type of sponsors they need the clothing stores are cool, but they don't have the same level of money to put up. The economy is bad, yes but all the resources need to be tapped. Now we have the pontiac techno house music festival july 11-12 which I plan to attend, but the real question why start a new festival instead of joining forces with the movement festival. And maybe it's just me but the name change from demf/movement needs to be properly communicated-did anyone notice that some restaurants/bars had old demf signs up. I know that's petty but I noticed it. Also I think everyone in the city with a small record label needs to contribute so that a city wide effort is put forth. The logistics were poor, mainly due to city politics there were politics involved last year, but this year they interfered with the festival, so it was out in the open not behind the scenes like last year. Derrick,(Transmat,High Tech)Kevin(KMS) worked hard to give us a good show. So I send them one big Techno Thank You.. Overall I enjoyed the movement 04, I played on Sunday afternoon @nikkis with negative-saucer which was a cool small set. Tim -Original Message- From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Erin Bate Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; /0 Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement I still can't believe that the city doesn't pay a dime. Down here (charlotte) the city pays for most of the chessy music festivals we have and they don't draw anywhere near a million + people. Do any of you guys in Detroit know whether the city helps for other festivals in the city. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:17 PM To: Erin Bate Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; /0 Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement Well, it's not just Derrick, Kevin Saunderson is part of it as well. So what part of the business do they need to run better? Is it the getting sponsors to support them during a crappy economy part? Is it the trying to convince the politicians/city to cough up some cash part? Is it the part about putting up even more of your own personal money or getting monstrous loans just to throw an event and go into major debt? I'd like to know... Derrick can take all the business classes in the world but if nobody is going to give up some money to support Movement - it ain't going to happen again. How long do we hold onto our checks before there isn't another festival? MEK
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I think it's not just about ego, money or any one thing. surely it's complex to put on events like this, make everyone pleased and break even or make a modest amount of cash. Of great importance is the message delivered if/when choosing to bring in a corporate or money-packing sponsor who insists on taking creative control. I suppose a favourable situation would exist when your message and that of a potential sponsor are close enough that you don't ruffle feathers - but otherwise it likely wouldn't work. if you give up control of what it is that you're trying to do, what you love or the point of the whole thing ... then what does it become? Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there are other's (won't mention names) who have offered in good faith to take control of a stage for at least a day of the festival and incure all cost for the promotional value in return (and perhaps that chance to sell their own money sponsor to offset cost). This is actually how it was occasioanlly done under Carlo Marvin, where Real Detroit would sponsor a stage and then bring in Bacardi to pay for it. However, because the interested promotional group insist on creative control of the stage (as opposed to just throwing their name on whoever derrick and co. pick) movement has declined their offers. unfortunate, since these group have extensive experience and would certainly upgrade the flavor of movement. maybe next year artistic control (ego) won't get in the way of more coroperation. On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, quest pond wrote: upwards of 500 euros for plane tix. LOL if only it were that cheap from here! with costs well over 1k euros from australia. First i want to know i'm going to get into the country and then secondly that a party is actually going be happening. A line up is important well well in advance. I'm not bagging the Movement, good on mr May and Co for such an excellent effort and im sorry i couldnt go. I'm just adding to others comments. Could there be a possibility of artists paying for stages if they don't already or charging for entry? I mean if i'm paying all that money of a stupid air-fare what is a bit extra to guarantee and event happens? It also keep out people who don't really give a damn, and would put rubish in money collection bins. Quest Pond -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2004 19:08 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement TO start, , the festival planning should start in july, not in January. The timing issue is so important when you have a scaled festival like this, with such large out of town support. People in europe want to know they aren't throwing away their money before they spend upwards of 500 euros for plane tix. Even on top of that, the line-up wasn't even anounced until the week before the festival, which kept alot of the parties /people from being able to plan around it. I was talking to Mike from Threads, and he said that usually he gets a stream of customers during DEMF weekend, that is larger than his xmas crowd, but this year was just like a normal week for him. I'm not sure all of the implications of that statement, but I'm willing to bet that the lack of planning on the part of the festival played a major part. dense. On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's not just Derrick, Kevin Saunderson is part of it as well. So what part of the business do they need to run better? Is it the getting sponsors to support them during a crappy economy part? Is it the trying to convince the politicians/city to cough up some cash part? Is it the part about putting up even more of your own personal money or getting monstrous loans just to throw an event and go into major debt? I'd like to know... Derrick can take all the business classes in the world but if nobody is going to give up some money to support Movement - it ain't going to happen again. How long do we hold onto our checks before there isn't another festival? MEK Erin Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thms.comcc: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement 06/01/04 02:51 PM I would hold on to your check until derrick takes some business classes. ~E From the outside, Movement 2004 looked like a success. But Movement 2005 is in a precarious spot. Detroit can't let this slip away. this is an excellent article - really says it like it is. I think everyone who has ever enjoyed Movement or the DEMF should read this I didn't go this year but I'd like to make some donations so I can go again next year where do I send my
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I think it's not just about ego, money or any one thing. surely it's complex to put on events like this, make everyone pleased and break even or make a modest amount of cash. Of great importance is the message delivered if/when choosing to bring in a corporate or money-packing sponsor who insists on taking creative control. I suppose a favourable situation would exist when your message and that of a potential sponsor are close enough that you don't ruffle feathers - but otherwise it likely wouldn't work. if you give up control of what it is that you're trying to do, what you love or the point of the whole thing ... then what does it become? Creative control is essential to maintaining the integrity of an event . . it is amazing how fast an event can loose its core values and identity when you start to give away control to gain a few extra sponsor dollars.. It is a fine line .. but in my experience .. if the core organizers have a vision .. and that vision is the reason the event is happening in the first place .. you cannot barter that vision for cash without diluting the essence of the vision .. and subsequently the purpose of the event .. Its a hard task .. and I've never seen a lot of $$ made from festivals that choose to take an artistic path as opposed to a financial path .. By the sounds of it Movement may have to become a more commercial event .. and hand away some of their artistic control to other parties .. but this will create a very different event to the one people have just experienced .. Movement .. as I understand is about Techno / Detroit .. the music .. and over the years it has strived extensively to remain true in the self belief the music .. in the culture .. Isn't it about the believing in the truth of the music .. that it truly does create movement in your soul .. that the music is its own energy and force .. I have been there and lost a load of money plenty of times .. 'in this belief' .. but to give up this hope and rely in industry to support our identity is to give away everything that the music has liberated with in us .. // is Movement really prepared to give its creditability to a corporate entity for cash ! .simon -- . . . . . . ... .. .. sure ' we can do that ... http://www.obscure.co.nz // \\ . . . . ... . . . .
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On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 10:10:52PM -0400, lisa wrote: Of great importance is the message delivered if/when choosing to bring in a corporate or money-packing sponsor who insists on taking creative control. I suppose a favourable situation would exist when your message and that of a potential sponsor are close enough that you don't ruffle feathers - but otherwise it likely wouldn't work. if you give up control of what it is that you're trying to do, what you love or the point of the whole thing ... then what does it become? Also, on this note does anyone besides me think it odd and/or suprising that several members of UR headlined a festival sponsored primarily by Sony? -j -- Rev. Jeffrey Paul-datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim:x736e65616b pgp:0x15FA257E phone:8777483467 70E0 B896 D5F3 8BF4 4BEE 2CCF EF2F BA28 15FA 257E
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jeff said: Also, on this note does anyone besides me think it odd and/or suprising that several members of UR headlined a festival sponsored primarily by Sony? AFAIK, sony music, and sony corp. are two different entities. You can't hate the son for the sins of the father, IMO. dense
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On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 02:34:45PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jeff said: Also, on this note does anyone besides me think it odd and/or suprising that several members of UR headlined a festival sponsored primarily by Sony? AFAIK, sony music, and sony corp. are two different entities. You can't hate the son for the sins of the father, IMO. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=SNE to quote: Sony Corporation is engaged in the development, design, manufacture and sale of various kinds of electronic equipment, instruments and devices for consumer and industrial markets. The Company develops, produces, manufactures and markets home-use game consoles and software. It is also engaged in the development, production, manufacture and distribution of recorded music in all commercial formats and musical genres. endquote. all commercial formats and musical genres like bastardized trance remixes. Then again we all use MDR-V700s (and many of us Vaios as well) so we really have no room to talk. -j -- Rev. Jeffrey Paul-datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim:x736e65616b pgp:0x15FA257E phone:8777483467 70E0 B896 D5F3 8BF4 4BEE 2CCF EF2F BA28 15FA 257E
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At 03:52 PM 6/4/2004, Rev. Jeffrey Paul wrote: Sony Corporation is engaged in the development, design, manufacture and sale of various kinds of electronic equipment, instruments and devices for consumer and industrial markets. The Company develops, produces, manufactures and markets home-use game consoles and software. It is also engaged in the development, production, manufacture and distribution of recorded music in all commercial formats and musical genres. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/CorporateInfo/Subsidiaries/index.html When they say 'subsidiaries' I'm not sure if they're completely owned by the parent or if it's some weird keiretsu arrangement. Someday you will drive your Sony to the Sony to pick up some more Sony. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.mkb-dj.org Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Atlantek, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 04:02:15PM -0400, Scott Kraemer Ellis wrote: I think he's referring to them stealing Knights of the Jaguar a couple of years back. I think Dennis was too. :) Sony Music did the remix, Sony Electronics and/or SCEA did the festival sponsorship. Left and right arms of the same evil. I should probably stop doing their bidding one of these days. -j -- Rev. Jeffrey Paul-datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim:x736e65616b pgp:0x15FA257E phone:8777483467 70E0 B896 D5F3 8BF4 4BEE 2CCF EF2F BA28 15FA 257E
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Someday you will drive your Sony to the Sony to pick up some more Sony. And marklar your marklar with a marklar.
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Someday you will drive your Sony to the Sony to pick up some more Sony. Malkovich? MEK
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there are other's (won't mention names) who have offered in good faith to take control of a stage for at least a day of the festival and incure all cost for the promotional value in return (and perhaps that chance to sell their own money sponsor to offset cost). This is actually how it was occasioanlly done under Carlo Marvin, where Real Detroit would sponsor a stage and then bring in Bacardi to pay for it. However, because the interested promotional group insist on creative control of the stage (as opposed to just throwing their name on whoever derrick and co. pick) movement has declined their offers. unfortunate, since these group have extensive experience and would certainly upgrade the flavor of movement. maybe next year artistic control (ego) won't get in the way of more coroperation. On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, quest pond wrote: upwards of 500 euros for plane tix. LOL if only it were that cheap from here! with costs well over 1k euros from australia. First i want to know i'm going to get into the country and then secondly that a party is actually going be happening. A line up is important well well in advance. I'm not bagging the Movement, good on mr May and Co for such an excellent effort and im sorry i couldnt go. I'm just adding to others comments. Could there be a possibility of artists paying for stages if they don't already or charging for entry? I mean if i'm paying all that money of a stupid air-fare what is a bit extra to guarantee and event happens? It also keep out people who don't really give a damn, and would put rubish in money collection bins. Quest Pond -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2004 19:08 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement TO start, , the festival planning should start in july, not in January. The timing issue is so important when you have a scaled festival like this, with such large out of town support. People in europe want to know they aren't throwing away their money before they spend upwards of 500 euros for plane tix. Even on top of that, the line-up wasn't even anounced until the week before the festival, which kept alot of the parties /people from being able to plan around it. I was talking to Mike from Threads, and he said that usually he gets a stream of customers during DEMF weekend, that is larger than his xmas crowd, but this year was just like a normal week for him. I'm not sure all of the implications of that statement, but I'm willing to bet that the lack of planning on the part of the festival played a major part. dense. On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's not just Derrick, Kevin Saunderson is part of it as well. So what part of the business do they need to run better? Is it the getting sponsors to support them during a crappy economy part? Is it the trying to convince the politicians/city to cough up some cash part? Is it the part about putting up even more of your own personal money or getting monstrous loans just to throw an event and go into major debt? I'd like to know... Derrick can take all the business classes in the world but if nobody is going to give up some money to support Movement - it ain't going to happen again. How long do we hold onto our checks before there isn't another festival? MEK Erin Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thms.comcc: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement 06/01/04 02:51 PM I would hold on to your check until derrick takes some business classes. ~E From the outside, Movement 2004 looked like a success. But Movement 2005 is in a precarious spot. Detroit can't let this slip away. this is an excellent article - really says it like it is. I think everyone who has ever enjoyed Movement or the DEMF should read this I didn't go this year but I'd like to make some donations so I can go again next year where do I send my check?
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It' was by far one of the most disorganized events I've been to, that is on this sort of scale. The best part, was that no one let it get them down, and everyone had a mad time anyways. The UR party was the best show i've ever seen in my life. the soul jam was a religious type experience for magda and i. More to come after we get some much needed sleep. dense. On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's an interesting story in the Detroit Free Press today. Check it out. http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/move1_20040601.htm I think the most poignant statement is this: From the outside, Movement 2004 looked like a success. But Movement 2005 is in a precarious spot. Detroit can't let this slip away. this is an excellent article - really says it like it is. I think everyone who has ever enjoyed Movement or the DEMF should read this I didn't go this year but I'd like to make some donations so I can go again next year where do I send my check? MEK
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TO start, , the festival planning should start in july, not in January. The timing issue is so important when you have a scaled festival like this, with such large out of town support. People in europe want to know they aren't throwing away their money before they spend upwards of 500 euros for plane tix. Even on top of that, the line-up wasn't even anounced until the week before the festival, which kept alot of the parties /people from being able to plan around it. I was talking to Mike from Threads, and he said that usually he gets a stream of customers during DEMF weekend, that is larger than his xmas crowd, but this year was just like a normal week for him. I'm not sure all of the implications of that statement, but I'm willing to bet that the lack of planning on the part of the festival played a major part. dense. On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's not just Derrick, Kevin Saunderson is part of it as well. So what part of the business do they need to run better? Is it the getting sponsors to support them during a crappy economy part? Is it the trying to convince the politicians/city to cough up some cash part? Is it the part about putting up even more of your own personal money or getting monstrous loans just to throw an event and go into major debt? I'd like to know... Derrick can take all the business classes in the world but if nobody is going to give up some money to support Movement - it ain't going to happen again. How long do we hold onto our checks before there isn't another festival? MEK Erin Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thms.comcc: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement 06/01/04 02:51 PM I would hold on to your check until derrick takes some business classes. ~E From the outside, Movement 2004 looked like a success. But Movement 2005 is in a precarious spot. Detroit can't let this slip away. this is an excellent article - really says it like it is. I think everyone who has ever enjoyed Movement or the DEMF should read this I didn't go this year but I'd like to make some donations so I can go again next year where do I send my check?
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upwards of 500 euros for plane tix. LOL if only it were that cheap from here! with costs well over 1k euros from australia. First i want to know i'm going to get into the country and then secondly that a party is actually going be happening. A line up is important well well in advance. I'm not bagging the Movement, good on mr May and Co for such an excellent effort and im sorry i couldnt go. I'm just adding to others comments. Could there be a possibility of artists paying for stages if they don't already or charging for entry? I mean if i'm paying all that money of a stupid air-fare what is a bit extra to guarantee and event happens? It also keep out people who don't really give a damn, and would put rubish in money collection bins. Quest Pond -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2004 19:08 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement TO start, , the festival planning should start in july, not in January. The timing issue is so important when you have a scaled festival like this, with such large out of town support. People in europe want to know they aren't throwing away their money before they spend upwards of 500 euros for plane tix. Even on top of that, the line-up wasn't even anounced until the week before the festival, which kept alot of the parties /people from being able to plan around it. I was talking to Mike from Threads, and he said that usually he gets a stream of customers during DEMF weekend, that is larger than his xmas crowd, but this year was just like a normal week for him. I'm not sure all of the implications of that statement, but I'm willing to bet that the lack of planning on the part of the festival played a major part. dense. On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's not just Derrick, Kevin Saunderson is part of it as well. So what part of the business do they need to run better? Is it the getting sponsors to support them during a crappy economy part? Is it the trying to convince the politicians/city to cough up some cash part? Is it the part about putting up even more of your own personal money or getting monstrous loans just to throw an event and go into major debt? I'd like to know... Derrick can take all the business classes in the world but if nobody is going to give up some money to support Movement - it ain't going to happen again. How long do we hold onto our checks before there isn't another festival? MEK Erin Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thms.comcc: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement 06/01/04 02:51 PM I would hold on to your check until derrick takes some business classes. ~E From the outside, Movement 2004 looked like a success. But Movement 2005 is in a precarious spot. Detroit can't let this slip away. this is an excellent article - really says it like it is. I think everyone who has ever enjoyed Movement or the DEMF should read this I didn't go this year but I'd like to make some donations so I can go again next year where do I send my check?
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It seems like there's a fair bit of weight given to monetary concerns after each movement/DEMF event - stories of Derrick May hitting his folks up for cash, contractors threatening to walk out and so on... From reading reports, it's apparent that so far the organisers have had to make Herculean struggles to get the event going each year, and perhaps that's part of the whole event - perhaps the struggle is as important as the event itself, or synonymous with it in some esoteric artistic way. It seems to me that the two quickest routes to a less stressful breakeven are sponsorship or charging on the door. I can understand immediately the ethical concerns with sponsorship, but are the organisers so idealistic that they wouldn't ask for even five bucks on the door? Hell, if they're that keen to not charge for an event they could just make it really easy to sneak in (ie not have fences or security solely to keep out intruders) so that the only people who pay are those who feel obliged to do so from their own personal moral standpoint. That seems like a bit more of a pragmatic approach than having donation boxes full of half-eaten cheeseburgers. I'm sure that even if they did that they'd at least generate enough revenue from ticket sales to cover the logistical costs of doing so - at least then they'd still have that seemingly important struggle to contend with! all IMHO, naturally.
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I still can't believe that the city doesn't pay a dime. Down here (charlotte) the city pays for most of the chessy music festivals we have and they don't draw anywhere near a million + people. Do any of you guys in Detroit know whether the city helps for other festivals in the city. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:17 PM To: Erin Bate Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; /0 Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement Well, it's not just Derrick, Kevin Saunderson is part of it as well. So what part of the business do they need to run better? Is it the getting sponsors to support them during a crappy economy part? Is it the trying to convince the politicians/city to cough up some cash part? Is it the part about putting up even more of your own personal money or getting monstrous loans just to throw an event and go into major debt? I'd like to know... Derrick can take all the business classes in the world but if nobody is going to give up some money to support Movement - it ain't going to happen again. How long do we hold onto our checks before there isn't another festival? MEK Erin Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thms.comcc: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement 06/01/04 02:51 PM I would hold on to your check until derrick takes some business classes. ~E From the outside, Movement 2004 looked like a success. But Movement 2005 is in a precarious spot. Detroit can't let this slip away. this is an excellent article - really says it like it is. I think everyone who has ever enjoyed Movement or the DEMF should read this I didn't go this year but I'd like to make some donations so I can go again next year where do I send my check?
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Yes the city does help out with some of the other festivals But there is also tons of sponsors at other events, the booth rental rates were too much for a small business to jump on at least for me. These were the cost $200.00 to the city for license $2200 for the 10x10 booths with no sides $3700 for the 12x12 booth with sides. so on the low end a small business would need to sell $2400 worth of merchandise just to break even. So for me it was not in my budget. There were no major sponsors at all, a couple years ago Ford was a major sponsor, and I work for a big computer company that moved downtown last year and nobody approached them. These are they type of sponsors they need the clothing stores are cool, but they don't have the same level of money to put up. The economy is bad, yes but all the resources need to be tapped. Now we have the pontiac techno house music festival july 11-12 which I plan to attend, but the real question why start a new festival instead of joining forces with the movement festival. And maybe it's just me but the name change from demf/movement needs to be properly communicated-did anyone notice that some restaurants/bars had old demf signs up. I know that's petty but I noticed it. Also I think everyone in the city with a small record label needs to contribute so that a city wide effort is put forth. The logistics were poor, mainly due to city politics there were politics involved last year, but this year they interfered with the festival, so it was out in the open not behind the scenes like last year. Derrick,(Transmat,High Tech)Kevin(KMS) worked hard to give us a good show. So I send them one big Techno Thank You.. Overall I enjoyed the movement 04, I played on Sunday afternoon @nikkis with negative-saucer which was a cool small set. Tim -Original Message- From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Erin Bate Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; /0 Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement I still can't believe that the city doesn't pay a dime. Down here (charlotte) the city pays for most of the chessy music festivals we have and they don't draw anywhere near a million + people. Do any of you guys in Detroit know whether the city helps for other festivals in the city. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:17 PM To: Erin Bate Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; /0 Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement Well, it's not just Derrick, Kevin Saunderson is part of it as well. So what part of the business do they need to run better? Is it the getting sponsors to support them during a crappy economy part? Is it the trying to convince the politicians/city to cough up some cash part? Is it the part about putting up even more of your own personal money or getting monstrous loans just to throw an event and go into major debt? I'd like to know... Derrick can take all the business classes in the world but if nobody is going to give up some money to support Movement - it ain't going to happen again. How long do we hold onto our checks before there isn't another festival? MEK Erin Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thms.comcc: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement 06/01/04 02:51 PM I would hold on to your check until derrick takes some business classes. ~E From the outside, Movement 2004 looked like a success. But Movement 2005 is in a precarious spot. Detroit can't let this slip away. this is an excellent article - really says it like it is. I think everyone who has ever enjoyed Movement or the DEMF should read this I didn't go this year but I'd like to make some donations so I can go again next year where do I send my check? The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
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There were no major sponsors at all, a couple years ago Ford was a major what about miller, mtv europe, panasonic, and everybody's favorite...Big Boy! (ok maybe that's not major, but it was great) _ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
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was Red Bull there this year? I can't even remember if it was last year -doh!- but Red Bull in Europe do alot for clubs/events etc they really go out of there way to help...but as you say blue chips would be good as well as bigger brands also Vestax are good for events but off course you gotta use Vestax's thru and thru which aint bad ..I am sure they tried all avenues but to be honest I find it hard ebough myself just dealing with family/work/djing and producing net along trying to organise a free event for the masses so hats off to Derrick, Kevin and Co... -Original Message- From: Steward, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 02/06/2004 15:38 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement Yes the city does help out with some of the other festivals But there is also tons of sponsors at other events, the booth rental rates were too much for a small business to jump on at least for me. These were the cost $200.00 to the city for license $2200 for the 10x10 booths with no sides $3700 for the 12x12 booth with sides. so on the low end a small business would need to sell $2400 worth of merchandise just to break even. So for me it was not in my budget. There were no major sponsors at all, a couple years ago Ford was a major sponsor, and I work for a big computer company that moved downtown last year and nobody approached them. These are they type of sponsors they need the clothing stores are cool, but they don't have the same level of money to put up. The economy is bad, yes but all the resources need to be tapped. Now we have the pontiac techno house music festival july 11-12 which I plan to attend, but the real question why start a new festival instead of joining forces with the movement festival. And maybe it's just me but the name change from demf/movement needs to be properly communicated-did anyone notice that some restaurants/bars had old demf signs up. I know that's petty but I noticed it. Also I think everyone in the city with a small record label needs to contribute so that a city wide effort is put forth. The logistics were poor, mainly due to city politics there were politics involved last year, but this year they interfered with the festival, so it was out in the open not behind the scenes like last year. Derrick,(Transmat,High Tech)Kevin(KMS) worked hard to give us a good show. So I send them one big Techno Thank You.. Overall I enjoyed the movement 04, I played on Sunday afternoon @nikkis with negative-saucer which was a cool small set. Tim -Original Message- From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Erin Bate Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; /0 Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement I still can't believe that the city doesn't pay a dime. Down here (charlotte) the city pays for most of the chessy music festivals we have and they don't draw anywhere near a million + people. Do any of you guys in Detroit know whether the city helps for other festivals in the city. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:17 PM To: Erin Bate Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; /0 Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement Well, it's not just Derrick, Kevin Saunderson is part of it as well. So what part of the business do they need to run better? Is it the getting sponsors to support them during a crappy economy part? Is it the trying to convince the politicians/city to cough up some cash part? Is it the part about putting up even more of your own personal money or getting monstrous loans just to throw an event and go into major debt? I'd like to know... Derrick can take all the business classes in the world but if nobody is going to give up some money to support Movement - it ain't going to happen again. How long do we hold onto our checks before there isn't another festival? MEK Erin Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thms.com
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I'm not saying anything negative about the Derrick,Kevin and co.. it's my city Detroit I'm talking about the city does not support the music like they do other events, just a couple weeks ago they had the hip hop summit, which was supported. The city sees our event as a chance to milk us listeners for the money, but not kick out any... These are the same reasons why many artist have left the city... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:48 AM To: Steward, Tim; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement was Red Bull there this year? I can't even remember if it was last year -doh!- but Red Bull in Europe do alot for clubs/events etc they really go out of there way to help...but as you say blue chips would be good as well as bigger brands also Vestax are good for events but off course you gotta use Vestax's thru and thru which aint bad ..I am sure they tried all avenues but to be honest I find it hard ebough myself just dealing with family/work/djing and producing net along trying to organise a free event for the masses so hats off to Derrick, Kevin and Co... -Original Message- From: Steward, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 02/06/2004 15:38 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement Yes the city does help out with some of the other festivals But there is also tons of sponsors at other events, the booth rental rates were too much for a small business to jump on at least for me. These were the cost $200.00 to the city for license $2200 for the 10x10 booths with no sides $3700 for the 12x12 booth with sides. so on the low end a small business would need to sell $2400 worth of merchandise just to break even. So for me it was not in my budget. There were no major sponsors at all, a couple years ago Ford was a major sponsor, and I work for a big computer company that moved downtown last year and nobody approached them. These are they type of sponsors they need the clothing stores are cool, but they don't have the same level of money to put up. The economy is bad, yes but all the resources need to be tapped. Now we have the pontiac techno house music festival july 11-12 which I plan to attend, but the real question why start a new festival instead of joining forces with the movement festival. And maybe it's just me but the name change from demf/movement needs to be properly communicated-did anyone notice that some restaurants/bars had old demf signs up. I know that's petty but I noticed it. Also I think everyone in the city with a small record label needs to contribute so that a city wide effort is put forth. The logistics were poor, mainly due to city politics there were politics involved last year, but this year they interfered with the festival, so it was out in the open not behind the scenes like last year. Derrick,(Transmat,High Tech)Kevin(KMS) worked hard to give us a good show. So I send them one big Techno Thank You.. Overall I enjoyed the movement 04, I played on Sunday afternoon @nikkis with negative-saucer which was a cool small set. Tim -Original Message- From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Erin Bate Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; /0 Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement I still can't believe that the city doesn't pay a dime. Down here (charlotte) the city pays for most of the chessy music festivals we have and they don't draw anywhere near a million + people. Do any of you guys in Detroit know whether the city helps for other festivals in the city. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:17 PM To: Erin Bate Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; /0 Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement Well, it's not just Derrick, Kevin Saunderson is part of it as well. So what part of the business do they need to run better? Is it the getting sponsors to support them during a crappy economy part? Is it the trying to convince the politicians/city to cough up some cash part? Is it the part about putting up even more of your own personal money or getting monstrous loans just to throw an event and go into major debt
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sorry Tim I wasn't saying you didn't support them, I was just saying hats off to them anyway :) but yeah it is sad that the city choose one event and not another event...I mean they must make good tourism money to invest at least a fare amount of money into it?tyical of many cities though sadly :( -Original Message- From: Steward, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 02/06/2004 15:52 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement I'm not saying anything negative about the Derrick,Kevin and co.. it's my city Detroit I'm talking about the city does not support the music like they do other events, just a couple weeks ago they had the hip hop summit, which was supported. The city sees our event as a chance to milk us listeners for the money, but not kick out any... These are the same reasons why many artist have left the city... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:48 AM To: Steward, Tim; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement was Red Bull there this year? I can't even remember if it was last year -doh!- but Red Bull in Europe do alot for clubs/events etc they really go out of there way to help...but as you say blue chips would be good as well as bigger brands also Vestax are good for events but off course you gotta use Vestax's thru and thru which aint bad ..I am sure they tried all avenues but to be honest I find it hard ebough myself just dealing with family/work/djing and producing net along trying to organise a free event for the masses so hats off to Derrick, Kevin and Co... -Original Message- From: Steward, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 02/06/2004 15:38 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement Yes the city does help out with some of the other festivals But there is also tons of sponsors at other events, the booth rental rates were too much for a small business to jump on at least for me. These were the cost $200.00 to the city for license $2200 for the 10x10 booths with no sides $3700 for the 12x12 booth with sides. so on the low end a small business would need to sell $2400 worth of merchandise just to break even. So for me it was not in my budget. There were no major sponsors at all, a couple years ago Ford was a major sponsor, and I work for a big computer company that moved downtown last year and nobody approached them. These are they type of sponsors they need the clothing stores are cool, but they don't have the same level of money to put up. The economy is bad, yes but all the resources need to be tapped. Now we have the pontiac techno house music festival july 11-12 which I plan to attend, but the real question why start a new festival instead of joining forces with the movement festival. And maybe it's just me but the name change from demf/movement needs to be properly communicated-did anyone notice that some restaurants/bars had old demf signs up. I know that's petty but I noticed it. Also I think everyone in the city with a small record label needs to contribute so that a city wide effort is put forth. The logistics were poor, mainly due to city politics there were politics involved last year, but this year they interfered with the festival, so it was out in the open not behind the scenes like last year. Derrick,(Transmat,High Tech)Kevin(KMS) worked hard to give us a good show. So I send them one big Techno Thank You.. Overall I enjoyed the movement 04, I played on Sunday afternoon @nikkis with negative-saucer which was a cool small set. Tim -Original Message- From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:09 AM
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The government in the city is so f*cked up right now that even if they wanted to support this festival, they really would not have the money. Now there's the scandal with the mayor (check Metro Times for the drama). The city does not support the hip hop summit, the mayor does. He's on the panel every year, which is a bit pretentious when the panel usually includes the likes of Russell Simmons (picture Kwame Kilpatrick on the panel anything dealing with techno and you'll get how ludicrous that is). I seriously think he does the hip hop thing gearing up for his next career when they boot him out. I don't think the city is deliberately milking us, but they are deliberately letting something that obviously brings a lot of people to the city go down the tubes. Granted, they are not the only ones at fault. I for one, would argue that if the majority of the festival planning was completed in a timely fashion, tickets should be sold if that's what it takes. I don't think we would complaing if we all had to pay 50 bucks for the whole weekend, or something like that. If it give the organizers a budget to work with, it should happen. They just have to come correct: get the lineup set, maybe even take some interactive suggestions from the fans, come up with the lineup, set up pre-ticketing, then go to some sponsors with some real numbers. Nothing would impress a company more that some real numbers; not the fact that it's a free festival and that a lot of people come each year. And like someone said on detroitluv, have someone with a keener pulse on what's happening in Detroit and elsewhere in the world to work on the lineup. Too many trumpets and not enough Akai, Roland, etc. gear on the main stage this year. It was interesting to note that the slogan this year on the banners was Saving the world from bad music. If you're going to put some sh*t like that on a banner, back it up with extreme prejudice. And although many people talk about it, there is an ego monster killing this from within right now. If these people can't work well together, they need to move on. Everyone, including us, needs to wake up and realize that the idea of a free festival, while noble, was unrealistic from the get. Derrick May also needs to realize that he needs to stop being a martyr (bringing up how the festival is free to anyone that will listen..we know this) and make people pay to come see this, but also give them something folks would be willing to drop 50-100 dollars to experience. It's pretty sad when you have consistently better techno being dropped at a booth (Nefarious) that in the main bowl. On a positive note, I thought the crowd was a bit more balanced this year and all in all the weather was markedly better. Monday was a sunny day that reminded me of the first festival. Peace, Alex I'm not saying anything negative about the Derrick,Kevin and co.. it's my city Detroit I'm talking about the city does not support the music like they do other events, just a couple weeks ago they had the hip hop summit, which was supported. The city sees our event as a chance to milk us listeners for the money, but not kick out any... These are the same reasons why many artist have left the city... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:48 AM To: Steward, Tim; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement was Red Bull there this year? I can't even remember if it was last year -doh!- but Red Bull in Europe do alot for clubs/events etc they really go out of there way to help...but as you say blue chips would be good as well as bigger brands also Vestax are good for events but off course you gotta use Vestax's thru and thru which aint bad ..I am sure they tried all avenues but to be honest I find it hard ebough myself just dealing with family/work/djing and producing net along trying to organise a free event for the masses so hats off to Derrick, Kevin and Co... -Original Message- From: Steward, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 02/06/2004 15:38 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement Yes the city does help out with some of the other festivals But there is also tons of sponsors at other events, the booth rental rates were too much for a small business to jump on at least for me. These were the cost $200.00 to the city for license $2200 for the 10x10 booths with no sides $3700 for the 12x12 booth with sides. so on the low end a small business would need to sell $2400 worth of merchandise just to break even. So for me it was not in my budget. There were no major sponsors at all, a couple years ago Ford was a major sponsor, and I work for a big computer company that moved downtown last year
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For some reason this was the first DEMF that I went to. Don't ask me why I never went before this year, I couldn't tell you. For the last year and a half, I've listened to my roommates complain about how Detroit is the armpit of the world, and they can't wait to get out of it. I was driving in from Lansing on Saturday morning, and it occurred to me seeing the ren cen crest the horizon that there are a million people here from all over the world that are completely thrilled to be in the city. It's not that I didn't know it was the techno mecca. It's just that it never gelled in a physical, bodily way. (Speaking of which, I'm wonderfully sore.) So, I guess my perception of the city has been changed. The first thing I noticed when I got to the fest was elephant ear stands. That really floored me. Hearing the ol' throbbing 4-on-the-floor-approach-from-afar sound off triumphantly from the movement stage and seeing $5 hamburger stands was like and old friend giving me a big warm hug while scraping a cheese grater across my gums. Anyway I'm not gonna go on and on even though I could. Met lots of cool people, a few from the 313 list, yeah, and the music was great and all that, blah blah I'll leave it for another post. :)
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Well at least you got there :) I did not :( due to a few things , personal and other things I did not get to go, I was gutted and still am...I'll leave it at that . but I hope all that did go had a great musical experience and met all the peeps you wanted to.. The tour is still going on www.detroitimpression.com and I hope I can take what I I saw on the webcast I to these clubs this year.. Cheers Ian -Original Message- From: Thorin Teague [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 01/06/2004 11:52 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: (313) my personal experience at movement For some reason this was the first DEMF that I went to. Don't ask me why I never went before this year, I couldn't tell you. For the last year and a half, I've listened to my roommates complain about how Detroit is the armpit of the world, and they can't wait to get out of it. I was driving in from Lansing on Saturday morning, and it occurred to me seeing the ren cen crest the horizon that there are a million people here from all over the world that are completely thrilled to be in the city. It's not that I didn't know it was the techno mecca. It's just that it never gelled in a physical, bodily way. (Speaking of which, I'm wonderfully sore.) So, I guess my perception of the city has been changed. The first thing I noticed when I got to the fest was elephant ear stands. That really floored me. Hearing the ol' throbbing 4-on-the-floor-approach-from-afar sound off triumphantly from the movement stage and seeing $5 hamburger stands was like and old friend giving me a big warm hug while scraping a cheese grater across my gums. Anyway I'm not gonna go on and on even though I could. Met lots of cool people, a few from the 313 list, yeah, and the music was great and all that, blah blah I'll leave it for another post. :)
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Anyway I'm not gonna go on and on even though I could. Met lots of cool people, a few from the 313 list, yeah, and the music was great and all that, blah blah I'll leave it for another post. :) come on, come on! the suspense is killing me...! how was last night? how was the UR party? what about the ultradyne/ectomorph one, or the recloose/john arlnold/ayro or the c.young/shake/d.bell or... bah, I could go on forever. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Hello All, The UR party was one of my top 5 events of all time--number 1 as I write this. Timeline far exceded my very high expecations--not merely playing live instruments/efx machines over the top of UR classics, but completely reworking the orginals to the point it sometimes took several minutes to figure out which track they were working out. They closed with this absolutely amazing soul/gospel jam that must have gone on for 15-20 minutes. Chuck of UR had the coolest projections/mini-movies for each song too. What an awesome show. Can't remember seeing a better--except maybe Amp on Saturday night, but that's another story. So many great sets all weekend long. There's an interesting story in the Detroit Free Press today. Check it out. Hard to believe all the drama behind the scenes with only a few cliches--like no Osunlade. Best. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:32 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement Anyway I'm not gonna go on and on even though I could. Met lots of cool people, a few from the 313 list, yeah, and the music was great and all that, blah blah I'll leave it for another post. :) come on, come on! the suspense is killing me...! how was last night? how was the UR party? what about the ultradyne/ectomorph one, or the recloose/john arlnold/ayro or the c.young/shake/d.bell or... bah, I could go on forever. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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There's an interesting story in the Detroit Free Press today. Check it out. http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/move1_20040601.htm I think the most poignant statement is this: From the outside, Movement 2004 looked like a success. But Movement 2005 is in a precarious spot. Detroit can't let this slip away. this is an excellent article - really says it like it is. I think everyone who has ever enjoyed Movement or the DEMF should read this I didn't go this year but I'd like to make some donations so I can go again next year where do I send my check? MEK
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-Original Message- From: Ben Britz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1. junij 2004 15:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement francois k - wow. all i can think to say is that it was a once in a lifetime set. if you've heard his sonar set, you have an idea of the style, but this was just genius. There's a streaming video recording from Sunday of Main stage (including the amazing Fracois K set), available on the Movement page. Direct link is: http://www.sanghainteractive.com/movement/movement_stream.html Looks like Francois mostly played of laptop (Traktor or Ableton?). Jernej www.soundoflj.com/octex
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you know, I see movement either dying or going the love parade route. I'll explain this in great detail in the days ahead :) -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement There's an interesting story in the Detroit Free Press today. Check it out. http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/move1_20040601.htm I think the most poignant statement is this: From the outside, Movement 2004 looked like a success. But Movement 2005 is in a precarious spot. Detroit can't let this slip away. this is an excellent article - really says it like it is. I think everyone who has ever enjoyed Movement or the DEMF should read this I didn't go this year but I'd like to make some donations so I can go again next year where do I send my check? MEK
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Well, it's not just Derrick, Kevin Saunderson is part of it as well. So what part of the business do they need to run better? Is it the getting sponsors to support them during a crappy economy part? Is it the trying to convince the politicians/city to cough up some cash part? Is it the part about putting up even more of your own personal money or getting monstrous loans just to throw an event and go into major debt? I'd like to know... Derrick can take all the business classes in the world but if nobody is going to give up some money to support Movement - it ain't going to happen again. How long do we hold onto our checks before there isn't another festival? MEK Erin Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thms.comcc: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement 06/01/04 02:51 PM I would hold on to your check until derrick takes some business classes. ~E From the outside, Movement 2004 looked like a success. But Movement 2005 is in a precarious spot. Detroit can't let this slip away. this is an excellent article - really says it like it is. I think everyone who has ever enjoyed Movement or the DEMF should read this I didn't go this year but I'd like to make some donations so I can go again next year where do I send my check?
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At 04:16 PM 6/1/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's not just Derrick, Kevin Saunderson is part of it as well. So what part of the business do they need to run better? Is it the getting sponsors to support them during a crappy economy part? Is it the trying to convince the politicians/city to cough up some cash part? I'd say the above - but what do I know? And - even if it hasn't manifested in your neighborhood - the economy (where it benefits first...in corporate coffers anyway) IS doing better. Derrick can take all the business classes in the world but if nobody is going to give up some money to support Movement - it ain't going to happen again. How long do we hold onto our checks before there isn't another festival? Agreed - most definitely. It's just a drag that the movers and shakers in the high places can't pony up like they seem to do for Hoedowns, Tastefests, etc. jeff
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Just been watching FK. He seems to have a go at everything i thought, just been glued to to the video. Bit of CD's i thought, vinyl definately and the laptop a lot. Looks like technical hell i would have thought but he seems to manage it, not quite sure how, i mean he's mousing the speed of tracks on the laptop to mix into the vinyl. Great track selection going on there, you can here his production skills coming through in way he mixes. Very classy set, only 1 cliche 'hits and memories track' the rest nice an minimal and quite obscure and very electronic. I'll pay to see this any day. Quest -Original Message- From: Jernej Marusic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2004 01:31 To: 'Ben Britz'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) my personal experience at movement -Original Message- From: Ben Britz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1. junij 2004 15:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) my personal experience at movement francois k - wow. all i can think to say is that it was a once in a lifetime set. if you've heard his sonar set, you have an idea of the style, but this was just genius. There's a streaming video recording from Sunday of Main stage (including the amazing Fracois K set), available on the Movement page. Direct link is: http://www.sanghainteractive.com/movement/movement_stream.html Looks like Francois mostly played of laptop (Traktor or Ableton?). Jernej www.soundoflj.com/octex
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Ben Britz wrote: joris voorn - pretty boy plays techno. not my favorite, but ok haha. i liked his set. some of it was a bit epic, but i was kind of expecting that. but the song about halfway through with the really sweet kick drum pattern and then the little vocal snip that came in(i know, great description, but damn what great kicks) totally destroyed me. as far as pretty boy goes...he totally made me want to grow my hair out the way it was when i was 6. haha. mathew jonson at the paxahau party was probably the best techno i heard all weekend. way better than i expected, even though i was expecting a good set. but the best thing i heard all weekend was the braid show at saint andrews on sunday. and that was my third braid show in four days. eric
