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and this I agree with also very much... for example we are about to loose jeff milligan from canada for ever hes sick of the lack of respect he gets as an artist locally to toronto and nationaly in canada, wh would he want to stay here when in europe he gets to play all the time and can make a living off of it... strange folk we are here in north america as we tend not to support our own... On Tue, 18 May 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: > > oh well. maybe people will start supporting good domestic talent. > the lack of support certain individuals from the US get in their > own country is ludicrous. > > tom > > > andythepooh.com > > > > > -- [neil adam wiernik aka naw] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [music available on] http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com http://www.pieheadrecords.com http://www.worthyrecords.com http://www.complot.ca [artist features] http://www.clevermusic.net http://www.newmusiccanada.com http://www.cognitionaudioworks.com --
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I think its also one of the main reasons why so many NA artists have made the move over to europe. I know that more and more canadian artists have done or are thinking of doing so. its just to much trouble to both with crossing the boarders all the time to plays shows, I know its the costs and the boarder issues that have kept me from playing shows in the US and even europe. when ever a promoture realises all the over head costs, of work visa's and travel and what not they become very dissinterested very fast. I can same the same from my perspective when doing shows out here if I have to ocver all the costs I might as well just have the artist play in my living room as Im gonna take a bath regarless of if I put it on in a venue or in my living room. :) sad but true... some thing has to give as more and more events will be locals only. Not that locals only events are bad things but there comes a point and time when an artist would like to play for more then the converted and turn a few new heads on to his or hers music, and if these costs dont come down soon that will not be happening any time soon On Tue, 18 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I suppose that's one reason why Claude Young said that he wouldn't be > coming back to the US for some time as well > I can imagine we're going to be seeing less and less non-US based artists > coming to the states. Unless things change of course. > Promoters just aren't going to be able to afford it. > > MEK > > > > Neil Wiernik > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org > g> cc: > Subject: Re: AW: (313) no > (ellen) alliens in nyc > 05/18/04 02:10 PM > > > > > > > > the reason why the boarder is so tight and the rules keep changing is not > becasue the candian govt want to make it hard to criss cross the boarder > its the US govt who feels that canada is a terrosit holding ground, ever > since 9/11 criss corssing the boarder has been a pain in the ass. > the us govt decied to impose restictions not only on us customes but on > canadian customes and your fraidy cat govt followed suit for the most part > that is. also the rules for candian artists going over the boarder to > perform has changed also and in fact its a pretty heafty tax that > unfortuntly has to fall on the promotures and in term on the paying public > for the shows it makes tours of the us a very unappealing venture for > us canadians... > > > > On Tue, 18 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > i dunno about that, but i've definately flirted with a couple of them > > hottie canadian border guards. > > > > i told one that i was going to the Minus offices, and she said she loved > > Richie Hawtin and i should look for her at the party that weekend.i think > > i even gave her some Motor fliers. > > > > i swear- they must get college credit for > > working there. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 18 May 2004, Carissa Tintinalli wrote: > > > > > Even better than waving cars through - flirting with young Canadian > girls on > > > their way to school. Unless asking people on dates is some secret > > > immigration technique to weed out terrorists... > > > > > > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >LOLOL! You do have a point! I too have gotten the wave through. How in > the > > > >hell can they consider waving cars secure?!? You're absolutely > > > >right...there is no method to their madness... > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > During that whole period I was only stopped once > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I've also gone through WITHOUT stopping the car at all. > Literally, > > > > > I was waved through by a border guard without a question ever being > > > >asked. > > > > > > > > > > My point was simply that it's random and entirely unorganized. One > day, > > > > > it's total lockdown. The next day, it's Al Qaeda Open House. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Dennis DeSantis > > > > > www.dennisdesantis.com > > > > > > _ > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* > > > > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&a
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-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >I suppose that's one reason why Claude Young said that he wouldn't be >coming back to the US for some time as well >I can imagine we're going to be seeing less and less non-US based artists >coming to the states. Unless things change of course. >Promoters just aren't going to be able to afford it. oh well. maybe people will start supporting good domestic talent. the lack of support certain individuals from the US get in their own country is ludicrous. tom andythepooh.com
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I suppose that's one reason why Claude Young said that he wouldn't be coming back to the US for some time as well I can imagine we're going to be seeing less and less non-US based artists coming to the states. Unless things change of course. Promoters just aren't going to be able to afford it. MEK Neil Wiernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org g> cc: Subject: Re: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc 05/18/04 02:10 PM the reason why the boarder is so tight and the rules keep changing is not becasue the candian govt want to make it hard to criss cross the boarder its the US govt who feels that canada is a terrosit holding ground, ever since 9/11 criss corssing the boarder has been a pain in the ass. the us govt decied to impose restictions not only on us customes but on canadian customes and your fraidy cat govt followed suit for the most part that is. also the rules for candian artists going over the boarder to perform has changed also and in fact its a pretty heafty tax that unfortuntly has to fall on the promotures and in term on the paying public for the shows it makes tours of the us a very unappealing venture for us canadians... On Tue, 18 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i dunno about that, but i've definately flirted with a couple of them > hottie canadian border guards. > > i told one that i was going to the Minus offices, and she said she loved > Richie Hawtin and i should look for her at the party that weekend.i think > i even gave her some Motor fliers. > > i swear- they must get college credit for > working there. > > > > On Tue, 18 May 2004, Carissa Tintinalli wrote: > > > Even better than waving cars through - flirting with young Canadian girls on > > their way to school. Unless asking people on dates is some secret > > immigration technique to weed out terrorists... > > > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >LOLOL! You do have a point! I too have gotten the wave through. How in the > > >hell can they consider waving cars secure?!? You're absolutely > > >right...there is no method to their madness... > > > > > >-- > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > During that whole period I was only stopped once > > > > > > > > Oh, I've also gone through WITHOUT stopping the car at all. Literally, > > > > I was waved through by a border guard without a question ever being > > >asked. > > > > > > > > My point was simply that it's random and entirely unorganized. One day, > > > > it's total lockdown. The next day, it's Al Qaeda Open House. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dennis DeSantis > > > > www.dennisdesantis.com > > > > _ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > > > > -- [neil adam wiernik aka naw] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [music available on] http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com http://www.pieheadrecords.com http://www.worthyrecords.com http://www.complot.ca [artist features] http://www.clevermusic.net http://www.newmusiccanada.com http://www.cognitionaudioworks.com --
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the reason why the boarder is so tight and the rules keep changing is not becasue the candian govt want to make it hard to criss cross the boarder its the US govt who feels that canada is a terrosit holding ground, ever since 9/11 criss corssing the boarder has been a pain in the ass. the us govt decied to impose restictions not only on us customes but on canadian customes and your fraidy cat govt followed suit for the most part that is. also the rules for candian artists going over the boarder to perform has changed also and in fact its a pretty heafty tax that unfortuntly has to fall on the promotures and in term on the paying public for the shows it makes tours of the us a very unappealing venture for us canadians... On Tue, 18 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i dunno about that, but i've definately flirted with a couple of them > hottie canadian border guards. > > i told one that i was going to the Minus offices, and she said she loved > Richie Hawtin and i should look for her at the party that weekend.i think > i even gave her some Motor fliers. > > i swear- they must get college credit for > working there. > > > > On Tue, 18 May 2004, Carissa Tintinalli wrote: > > > Even better than waving cars through - flirting with young Canadian girls on > > their way to school. Unless asking people on dates is some secret > > immigration technique to weed out terrorists... > > > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >LOLOL! You do have a point! I too have gotten the wave through. How in the > > >hell can they consider waving cars secure?!? You're absolutely > > >right...there is no method to their madness... > > > > > >-- > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > During that whole period I was only stopped once > > > > > > > > Oh, I've also gone through WITHOUT stopping the car at all. Literally, > > > > I was waved through by a border guard without a question ever being > > >asked. > > > > > > > > My point was simply that it's random and entirely unorganized. One day, > > > > it's total lockdown. The next day, it's Al Qaeda Open House. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dennis DeSantis > > > > www.dennisdesantis.com > > > > _ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > > > > -- [neil adam wiernik aka naw] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [music available on] http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com http://www.pieheadrecords.com http://www.worthyrecords.com http://www.complot.ca [artist features] http://www.clevermusic.net http://www.newmusiccanada.com http://www.cognitionaudioworks.com --
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i dunno about that, but i've definately flirted with a couple of them hottie canadian border guards. i told one that i was going to the Minus offices, and she said she loved Richie Hawtin and i should look for her at the party that weekend.i think i even gave her some Motor fliers. i swear- they must get college credit for working there. On Tue, 18 May 2004, Carissa Tintinalli wrote: > Even better than waving cars through - flirting with young Canadian girls on > their way to school. Unless asking people on dates is some secret > immigration technique to weed out terrorists... > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >LOLOL! You do have a point! I too have gotten the wave through. How in the > >hell can they consider waving cars secure?!? You're absolutely > >right...there is no method to their madness... > > > >-- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > During that whole period I was only stopped once > > > > > > Oh, I've also gone through WITHOUT stopping the car at all. Literally, > > > I was waved through by a border guard without a question ever being > >asked. > > > > > > My point was simply that it's random and entirely unorganized. One day, > > > it's total lockdown. The next day, it's Al Qaeda Open House. > > > > > > -- > > > Dennis DeSantis > > > www.dennisdesantis.com > > _ > Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > >
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Maybe if we all just get them something like a refrigerator magnet, or some of those "collectable" tea spoons from a gift shop on our trips the customs agents won't be so ornery. MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] e.netTo: Katrin Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Carissa Tintinalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org 05/18/04 10:42 AM Subject: Re: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc As a US citizen and 'tourist' traveler - last summer I got hassles because I flew from Newark to Seattle, then took a train from Seattle to Vancouver, then flew from Vancouver back to Newark. Apparently the computers are setup to flag what they consider suspicious activity or patterns (who knows what criteria they base that on). I had to explain multiple times why I chose to take the train vs. flying (um, I wanted a nice relaxing ride up the coast to see the birds & water), why I went to the cities I did, etc. Then baggage search, etc. So with all this for just me, I shudder to think what others (esp artists/performers) have to go thru. It's a shame it's come to this. :( - Original Message - From: Katrin Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:01 am Subject: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc > Hey Resistance, > > all Ellen did was trying to enter through Canada. I phoned Bpitch > to ask for > the details. If she would have tried to enter from Germany, > apparantly, her > visa would be okay. Does anyone know why the US is so restrictive with > people coming from just across the boarder Shema to see that > the bookers > cannot react to the quick changes of law and order and custums. > It's totally > random and no one knows what's going on. > > Peace > Kat > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Mai 2004 01:54 > An: 313@hyperreal.org > Betreff: Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc > > P.S. Also no CLaude Young. > > >From his post on DetroitLuv.com: > > "There was a misunderstanding with the booking for movement / > demf. I am > only playing at the 7th City event, it is my label after all and > the main > reason i decided to come home in the first place. Movement will be > spectacular and i will be there in the streets (probably with > Shake & Dan > having a good time and visiting friends and family). but the festival > doesn't need me to be there to happen. Im only involved in my > labels event > due to time constraints on my schedule in the USA. I fully support the > Movement festival 100%. So check it out if you can and ill see you > down town > for a beer and a chat, 4 SURE!!! C out.." > > (link: > http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=31;action=display;threadid=14685;s > tart=90) > > _ > > >
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As a US citizen and 'tourist' traveler - last summer I got hassles because I flew from Newark to Seattle, then took a train from Seattle to Vancouver, then flew from Vancouver back to Newark. Apparently the computers are setup to flag what they consider suspicious activity or patterns (who knows what criteria they base that on). I had to explain multiple times why I chose to take the train vs. flying (um, I wanted a nice relaxing ride up the coast to see the birds & water), why I went to the cities I did, etc. Then baggage search, etc. So with all this for just me, I shudder to think what others (esp artists/performers) have to go thru. It's a shame it's come to this. :( - Original Message - From: Katrin Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:01 am Subject: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc > Hey Resistance, > > all Ellen did was trying to enter through Canada. I phoned Bpitch > to ask for > the details. If she would have tried to enter from Germany, > apparantly, her > visa would be okay. Does anyone know why the US is so restrictive with > people coming from just across the boarder Shema to see that > the bookers > cannot react to the quick changes of law and order and custums. > It's totally > random and no one knows what's going on. > > Peace > Kat > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Mai 2004 01:54 > An: 313@hyperreal.org > Betreff: Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc > > P.S. Also no CLaude Young. > > >From his post on DetroitLuv.com: > > "There was a misunderstanding with the booking for movement / > demf. I am > only playing at the 7th City event, it is my label after all and > the main > reason i decided to come home in the first place. Movement will be > spectacular and i will be there in the streets (probably with > Shake & Dan > having a good time and visiting friends and family). but the festival > doesn't need me to be there to happen. Im only involved in my > labels event > due to time constraints on my schedule in the USA. I fully support the > Movement festival 100%. So check it out if you can and ill see you > down town > for a beer and a chat, 4 SURE!!! C out.." > > (link: > http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=31;action=display;threadid=14685;s > tart=90) > > _ > > >
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Fork it over... groan MEK "John Coleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: <313@hyperreal.org> ic.com> cc: Subject: RE: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc 05/18/04 08:58 AM Security at Federal buildings is equally inconsistent. I'm a contractor with the DoD right now, and the other day I got stopped and questioned on the way in from lunch because there was a fork in my lunch bag. The same fork I strolled right through security with on the way in that morning. I guess forks are a major potential security risk. I know if I were to attack a large federal building my first choice of tools would be a fork. :) john. > The moral of the story is that it's all smoke and mirrors. The stern > glances from the ex-janitors running border security are supposed to > make you feel like It's All Under Control. > > None of these people have a clue what's going on, which is why seemingly > arbitrary decisions like the situation with Ellen are commonplace in > The New America. > [Ken Odeluga] > > Oh well, at least it makes you feel reassured that no terrorist will > ever > be able to penetrate the United States through the inland borders. > > k
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We'll soon have all your secrets to where you keep your mooses of mass destruction and maple syrup production - then we'll launch "Operation Slap Shot" Canada will soon be under our rather loose and inconsistent control. MEK "Carissa Tintinalli" To: 313@hyperreal.org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: mail.com> Subject: Re: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc 05/18/04 08:35 AM Even better than waving cars through - flirting with young Canadian girls on their way to school. Unless asking people on dates is some secret immigration technique to weed out terrorists... >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >LOLOL! You do have a point! I too have gotten the wave through. How in the >hell can they consider waving cars secure?!? You're absolutely >right...there is no method to their madness... > >-- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > During that whole period I was only stopped once > > > > Oh, I've also gone through WITHOUT stopping the car at all. Literally, > > I was waved through by a border guard without a question ever being >asked. > > > > My point was simply that it's random and entirely unorganized. One day, > > it's total lockdown. The next day, it's Al Qaeda Open House. > > > > -- > > Dennis DeSantis > > www.dennisdesantis.com _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
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Very "1984" isn't it? MEK robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Dennis DeSantis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ctric.com> cc: "313@hyperreal.org" <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc 05/18/04 08:33 AM it's all about getting you used to not having any civil liberties. the terrorist threat is just a useful excuse for the authorities to do this. you'll never stop terrorism as you can always think up schemes to get around any control in place. the same is true over here (UK) ok i'm off topic now so i'll shut up robin... Dennis DeSantis wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > During that whole period I was only stopped once > > Oh, I've also gone through WITHOUT stopping the car at all. Literally, > I was waved through by a border guard without a question ever being asked. > > My point was simply that it's random and entirely unorganized. One day, > it's total lockdown. The next day, it's Al Qaeda Open House. >
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Kent williams wrote: When she got home, she dumped out her purse to find something and what do you know, there was a restaurant butter knife in it. The moral of the story is that it's far far easier to make people feel safer by putting on a "look how safe you are" carnival than it is to actually make people safer. This is the same sort of thinking that leads generals in Iraq to tell us "we're making progress" 97 times a day in press conferences, despite the fact that there's only evidence to the contrary. And it's why Ellen Allien doesn't get to play in the US. Because it allows someone to fulfill some sort of immigration rejection quota without actually having to do any work. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
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On the frontlines of the anti-terrorism war: My wife just flew back from Phoenix AZ. At the security checkpoint they stopped her and searched her carry on bag because they said it looked like there was a knife in it. After poking around the security guy found a toothbrush and decided it was what had shown up on the X Ray. When she got home, she dumped out her purse to find something and what do you know, there was a restaurant butter knife in it. One of her mildly nutso friends in Phoenix thinks it's funny to sneak restaurant cutlery into other people's purses. That doesn't make me feel any safer.
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Techno in Windsorgood question. Thinkbox is definitely shaping up to be a major member, especially with their upcoming gig at Mutek, although I can't say they play out very often in Windsor except for the odd show at Noi or art galleries. Velvet Lounge always has a solid deep house lineup, but the major clubs have been mainly sticking the more progressive sounds (big suprise). The more "grass roots" evants have been centered around drum and bass, and ironically the D&B scene in Windsor seems more unified and consisten than its Detroit counterpart. But yeahtechno hasn't really had a consisten presence in Windsor for awhile. The days of Plus 8 parties at the Loop and Dan Bell playing in dingy back alley basements are unfortunately over. :-/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But to keep this somwaht OT..what is the current climate over in Windsor when it comes to techno..any good events happening over there as of late? Is thinkbox still around? _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
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properly forked then. -Original Message- From: John Coleman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 18/05/2004 14:58 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc Security at Federal buildings is equally inconsistent. I'm a contractor with the DoD right now, and the other day I got stopped and questioned on the way in from lunch because there was a fork in my lunch bag. The same fork I strolled right through security with on the way in that morning. I guess forks are a major potential security risk. I know if I were to attack a large federal building my first choice of tools would be a fork. :) john. > The moral of the story is that it's all smoke and mirrors. The stern > glances from the ex-janitors running border security are supposed to > make you feel like It's All Under Control. > > None of these people have a clue what's going on, which is why seemingly > arbitrary decisions like the situation with Ellen are commonplace in > The New America. > [Ken Odeluga] > > Oh well, at least it makes you feel reassured that no terrorist will > ever > be able to penetrate the United States through the inland borders. > > k
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Well, I have to draw the line there..! I can't anyone for that..I too have a special fondness in my heart for Canadian girls..:) But to keep this somwaht OT..what is the current climate over in Windsor when it comes to techno..any good events happening over there as of late? Is thinkbox still around? Peace, Alex > Even better than waving cars through - flirting with young Canadian girls on > their way to school. Unless asking people on dates is some secret > immigration technique to weed out terrorists... > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >LOLOL! You do have a point! I too have gotten the wave through. How in the > >hell can they consider waving cars secure?!? You're absolutely > >right...there is no method to their madness... > > > >-- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > During that whole period I was only stopped once > > > > > > Oh, I've also gone through WITHOUT stopping the car at all. Literally, > > > I was waved through by a border guard without a question ever being > >asked. > > > > > > My point was simply that it's random and entirely unorganized. One day, > > > it's total lockdown. The next day, it's Al Qaeda Open House. > > > > > > -- > > > Dennis DeSantis > > > www.dennisdesantis.com > > _ > Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http:// > hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines >
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Security at Federal buildings is equally inconsistent. I'm a contractor with the DoD right now, and the other day I got stopped and questioned on the way in from lunch because there was a fork in my lunch bag. The same fork I strolled right through security with on the way in that morning. I guess forks are a major potential security risk. I know if I were to attack a large federal building my first choice of tools would be a fork. :) john. > The moral of the story is that it's all smoke and mirrors. The stern > glances from the ex-janitors running border security are supposed to > make you feel like It's All Under Control. > > None of these people have a clue what's going on, which is why seemingly > arbitrary decisions like the situation with Ellen are commonplace in > The New America. > [Ken Odeluga] > > Oh well, at least it makes you feel reassured that no terrorist will > ever > be able to penetrate the United States through the inland borders. > > k
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>I think Bin Laden was the producer. more underground than Underground Resistance that lad. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is this on NuGroove? Mark Wilson with Bin Laden on vocals? I think so. The Al-Zawahiri remix on the flip is the real floor burner, IMO, especially with that killer conga groove by Karl Rove. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
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Even better than waving cars through - flirting with young Canadian girls on their way to school. Unless asking people on dates is some secret immigration technique to weed out terrorists... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOLOL! You do have a point! I too have gotten the wave through. How in the hell can they consider waving cars secure?!? You're absolutely right...there is no method to their madness... -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > During that whole period I was only stopped once > > Oh, I've also gone through WITHOUT stopping the car at all. Literally, > I was waved through by a border guard without a question ever being asked. > > My point was simply that it's random and entirely unorganized. One day, > it's total lockdown. The next day, it's Al Qaeda Open House. > > -- > Dennis DeSantis > www.dennisdesantis.com _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
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it's all about getting you used to not having any civil liberties. the terrorist threat is just a useful excuse for the authorities to do this. you'll never stop terrorism as you can always think up schemes to get around any control in place. the same is true over here (UK) ok i'm off topic now so i'll shut up robin... Dennis DeSantis wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > During that whole period I was only stopped once Oh, I've also gone through WITHOUT stopping the car at all. Literally, I was waved through by a border guard without a question ever being asked. My point was simply that it's random and entirely unorganized. One day, it's total lockdown. The next day, it's Al Qaeda Open House.
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I think Bin Laden was the producer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 May 2004 2:32 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc >Al Qaeda Open House is this on NuGroove? Mark Wilson with Bin Laden on vocals? sounds good. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the "To" or "Cc" lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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>Al Qaeda Open House is this on NuGroove? Mark Wilson with Bin Laden on vocals? sounds good. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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LOLOL! You do have a point! I too have gotten the wave through. How in the hell can they consider waving cars secure?!? You're absolutely right...there is no method to their madness... -- Peace, Alex > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > During that whole period I was only stopped once > > Oh, I've also gone through WITHOUT stopping the car at all. Literally, > I was waved through by a border guard without a question ever being asked. > > My point was simply that it's random and entirely unorganized. One day, > it's total lockdown. The next day, it's Al Qaeda Open House. > > -- > Dennis DeSantis > www.dennisdesantis.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > During that whole period I was only stopped once Oh, I've also gone through WITHOUT stopping the car at all. Literally, I was waved through by a border guard without a question ever being asked. My point was simply that it's random and entirely unorganized. One day, it's total lockdown. The next day, it's Al Qaeda Open House. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
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The moral of the story is that it's all smoke and mirrors. The stern glances from the ex-janitors running border security are supposed to make you feel like It's All Under Control. None of these people have a clue what's going on, which is why seemingly arbitrary decisions like the situation with Ellen are commonplace in The New America. [Ken Odeluga] Oh well, at least it makes you feel reassured that no terrorist will ever be able to penetrate the United States through the inland borders. k
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Carissa Tintinalli wrote: There is ZERO consistency with immigration procedures right now, and it's an extremely confusing process. This shouldn't come as a surprise. These are largely people with room temperature IQs who, prior to 2001, were treated like something less than your average Wal-Mart rent-a-cop and now are treated like they're the front line of defense for "Protecting The Homeland". In March, I played a gig in Detroit and came through Canada via a car rented in Toronto. They were mystified as to why an American citizen would be coming into the country from somewhere else and, since I was driving some foreigners (Germans and Canadians from Thinner) as well, we were a prime target for a more intrusive check. We had to get out, wait in lines, get eyed suspiciously, fill out forms, pay "processing fees", etc. What they didn't do, however, is ask for my keys and actually search the car. They thought they did though, and told me to pick up my keys from the front office before leaving, despite the fact that I was holding them the whole time. The moral of the story is that it's all smoke and mirrors. The stern glances from the ex-janitors running border security are supposed to make you feel like It's All Under Control. None of these people have a clue what's going on, which is why seemingly arbitrary decisions like the situation with Ellen are commonplace in The New America. Rant over, -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
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Okay, that makes sense. That decision to deny her based on her entry point may seem a bit anal, I'm telling you, I live in Windsor and attend school in Detroit and deal with these people every day. They can get very nitpicky. I've been pulled over, asked to show all my documents, asked my entire coursehistory (with grades!!) and shown my student that IMMIGRATION HAD STAMPED AND SIGNED and had an officer STILL say he didn't believe I was enrolled in school. It's almost hilarious at times. It is ultimately then responsibility of Ellen and her agents to know details like having to enter at the port that is specified on her visa, but I can completely undertsand them not knowing. There is ZERO consistency with immigration procedures right now, and it's an extremely confusing process. From: "Katrin Richter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Carissa Tintinalli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<313@hyperreal.org> Subject: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:01:41 +0200 Hey Resistance, all Ellen did was trying to enter through Canada. I phoned Bpitch to ask for the details. If she would have tried to enter from Germany, apparantly, her visa would be okay. Does anyone know why the US is so restrictive with people coming from just across the boarder Shema to see that the bookers cannot react to the quick changes of law and order and custums. It's totally random and no one knows what's going on. Peace Kat -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Carissa Tintinalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Mai 2004 01:54 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc P.S. Also no CLaude Young. >From his post on DetroitLuv.com: "There was a misunderstanding with the booking for movement / demf. I am only playing at the 7th City event, it is my label after all and the main reason i decided to come home in the first place. Movement will be spectacular and i will be there in the streets (probably with Shake & Dan having a good time and visiting friends and family). but the festival doesn't need me to be there to happen. Im only involved in my labels event due to time constraints on my schedule in the USA. I fully support the Movement festival 100%. So check it out if you can and ill see you down town for a beer and a chat, 4 SURE!!! C out.." (link: http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=31;action=display;threadid=14685;s tart=90) _ _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc
Hey Resistance, all Ellen did was trying to enter through Canada. I phoned Bpitch to ask for the details. If she would have tried to enter from Germany, apparantly, her visa would be okay. Does anyone know why the US is so restrictive with people coming from just across the boarder Shema to see that the bookers cannot react to the quick changes of law and order and custums. It's totally random and no one knows what's going on. Peace Kat -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Carissa Tintinalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Mai 2004 01:54 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc P.S. Also no CLaude Young. >>From his post on DetroitLuv.com: "There was a misunderstanding with the booking for movement / demf. I am only playing at the 7th City event, it is my label after all and the main reason i decided to come home in the first place. Movement will be spectacular and i will be there in the streets (probably with Shake & Dan having a good time and visiting friends and family). but the festival doesn't need me to be there to happen. Im only involved in my labels event due to time constraints on my schedule in the USA. I fully support the Movement festival 100%. So check it out if you can and ill see you down town for a beer and a chat, 4 SURE!!! C out.." (link: http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=31;action=display;threadid=14685;s tart=90) _