Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
all the artists i talk to, who aren't exactly BIG BIG BIG acts, all tell me they make thier money from touring. On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Cyclone Wehner wrote: No doubt. I guess I was thinking of the big big big acts. :) -- From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 4:45 PM cough Last big band I worked with made nothing on the actual concerts, in fact they lost $10,000 a gig - the only thing they made money on was the t-shirts and programmes. Cheers Martin - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? I think the point is that people will spend money on concerts as opposed to records (which in theory they can download for free or minimal cost) and so artists will draw their living from live performances. It's a very good point and quite accurate I believe. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 5:36 PM Not sure I see your point... You couldn't download one before, you can't now. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 8:40 PM À : Cobert, Gwendal Cc : 313 Detroit Objet : RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
I've downloaded entire galaxies and compressed them into blackholes on my own. before long I will pwn the milky way - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
Not sure I see your point... You couldn't download one before, you can't now. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 8:40 PM À : Cobert, Gwendal Cc : 313 Detroit Objet : RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
just pointing out that when it comes to competition, something like a concert has a distinct advantage ove a cd. On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Not sure I see your point... You couldn't download one before, you can't now. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 8:40 PM À : Cobert, Gwendal Cc : 313 Detroit Objet : RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
I think the point is that people will spend money on concerts as opposed to records (which in theory they can download for free or minimal cost) and so artists will draw their living from live performances. It's a very good point and quite accurate I believe. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 5:36 PM Not sure I see your point... You couldn't download one before, you can't now. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 8:40 PM À : Cobert, Gwendal Cc : 313 Detroit Objet : RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
cough Last big band I worked with made nothing on the actual concerts, in fact they lost $10,000 a gig - the only thing they made money on was the t-shirts and programmes. Cheers Martin - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? I think the point is that people will spend money on concerts as opposed to records (which in theory they can download for free or minimal cost) and so artists will draw their living from live performances. It's a very good point and quite accurate I believe. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 5:36 PM Not sure I see your point... You couldn't download one before, you can't now. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 8:40 PM À : Cobert, Gwendal Cc : 313 Detroit Objet : RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
No doubt. I guess I was thinking of the big big big acts. :) -- From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 4:45 PM cough Last big band I worked with made nothing on the actual concerts, in fact they lost $10,000 a gig - the only thing they made money on was the t-shirts and programmes. Cheers Martin - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? I think the point is that people will spend money on concerts as opposed to records (which in theory they can download for free or minimal cost) and so artists will draw their living from live performances. It's a very good point and quite accurate I believe. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 5:36 PM Not sure I see your point... You couldn't download one before, you can't now. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 8:40 PM À : Cobert, Gwendal Cc : 313 Detroit Objet : RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
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you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
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On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
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Cobert, Gwendal wrote on Thu, 7 Oct 2004 about following: On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts Dunno bout concerts, but I recently read that most major record companies are saying that cd sales are going up for a change. sakke
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I either read an article about this or heard it on NPR - sales are going up on CDs because of downloading. People are becoming music fanatics again and they are using the downloading process to audition music. If I recall, there was a record shop owner in some college town who was afraid that since most students were downloading music his business would drop. It did immediately but is now picking up quickly. What more, the college kids are buying vinyl because they appreciate the format's sound and packaging. wish I could remember where I heard/read it. MEK Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org iposti.net cc: Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? 10/07/2004 04:30 AM Cobert, Gwendal wrote on Thu, 7 Oct 2004 about following: On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts Dunno bout concerts, but I recently read that most major record companies are saying that cd sales are going up for a change. sakke
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At 11:15 AM 10/7/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I recall, there was a record shop owner in some college town who was afraid that since most students were downloading music his business would drop. It did immediately but is now picking up quickly. What more, the college kids are buying vinyl because they appreciate the format's sound and packaging. i wish that was the rule. two out of the three independent record stores near my old school have gone out of business. one of the nicest shops in providence closed not long ago as well. now it may very well be that these are due to new competition from FYE and Newbury Comics, but considering that the old shops were in walking distance of college campuses and the new ones are much farther, i doubt it. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
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I think I saw this ad the other night. All I can say is I have been a big Swayzak fan from the start and don't think I will be buying this latest. I have heard the entire album and really dissapointed at where they have gone with their sound and all those horrid (IMHO) vocals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:24:42 -0500 http://www.swayzak.com/index_old.html Swayzak to feature in Hellomoto commercial. Soon to be aired in North America, the clip features the song 'SPEAKEASY', from the new LP. The band also appear in the ad, looking good in suits. The new hellomoto phone features mp3 player with the abilty to download and stream audio whilst on the move, compatible with itunes, it takes portable digital music to the next level. anyone else see this? wasn't there a Cure song about always jumping on someone else's train? ;) MEK
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i wish someone told me that before... all those years.. wasted I´m not gettin any younger you know... -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 6 oktober 2004 17:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound glad he's making money. artistic integrity doesn't pay the bills -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound http://www.swayzak.com/index_old.html Swayzak to feature in Hellomoto commercial. Soon to be aired in North America, the clip features the song 'SPEAKEASY', from the new LP. The band also appear in the ad, looking good in suits. The new hellomoto phone features mp3 player with the abilty to download and stream audio whilst on the move, compatible with itunes, it takes portable digital music to the next level. anyone else see this? wasn't there a Cure song about always jumping on someone else's train? ;) MEK The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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True, it doesn't. But at the same time I myself don't find the idea of listening to someone else paying their bills very appealing... -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 October 2004 16:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound glad he's making money. artistic integrity doesn't pay the bills -Joe
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It is. I went to Japan lately for work and hung out with those guys at a festival I covered. They're not selling out, they're very underground in ethos. They didn't do the ad without thinking and were worried about appearing in it but deemed it a worthwhile outlet since it's hard for them to get exposure elsewhere. They do have a live band type set up now and one of the guys doesn't tour. They have a singer. I think with the changes over the albums they just don't want to get in a stylistic box. They were bewildered with the electroclash tag for Dirty Dancing, saying they'd always done electro. I do remember them playing here years ago and it was very different to what they're doing now. The only small thing I have is if you want to do vocal music you need a good song - a hook - of some kind or the music is in limbo and they need to develop that. Jeff Mills once explained to me and a promoter here that even a techno producer has to have a hook, all music does, and that stuck with me. Hopefully I will post the Swayzak interview soon. Weird - I just saw an advert on tv last night for a phone - there is a guy on a bullet type train and he's walking from car to car. He flips open his phone and it says 'SWAYZAK' on the screen. He then turns around and there is a full glam/garage rock band behind him. Drummer, guitarist, lead singer, etc. Very fuzzed out overdriven guitar rock style. The band was looking quite glam in purple suits and sh*t. Like a very bright version of the Hives. the music was nothing like I've heard from previous Swayzak releases. It sounded nothing like the great deep dub house/techno from Snowbaording..., Himawari, or even the last electrocash one. It was all heard-it-before garage glam rock crap. Can this be the same Swayzak?! MEK
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techno isnt selling how it used to. I'd hate to have relied on selling my music(ha) for the past few years, as I'd imagine I'd have to make the choice between getting a dayjob or releasing something suited a bit more for mass consumption. enough of me and my recently jaded opinions, sorry. -Joe - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? It is. I went to Japan lately for work and hung out with those guys at a festival I covered. They're not selling out, they're very underground in ethos. They didn't do the ad without thinking and were worried about appearing in it but deemed it a worthwhile outlet since it's hard for them to get exposure elsewhere. They do have a live band type set up now and one of the guys doesn't tour. They have a singer. I think with the changes over the albums they just don't want to get in a stylistic box. They were bewildered with the electroclash tag for Dirty Dancing, saying they'd always done electro. I do remember them playing here years ago and it was very different to what they're doing now. The only small thing I have is if you want to do vocal music you need a good song - a hook - of some kind or the music is in limbo and they need to develop that. Jeff Mills once explained to me and a promoter here that even a techno producer has to have a hook, all music does, and that stuck with me. Hopefully I will post the Swayzak interview soon. Weird - I just saw an advert on tv last night for a phone - there is a guy on a bullet type train and he's walking from car to car. He flips open his phone and it says 'SWAYZAK' on the screen. He then turns around and there is a full glam/garage rock band behind him. Drummer, guitarist, lead singer, etc. Very fuzzed out overdriven guitar rock style. The band was looking quite glam in purple suits and sh*t. Like a very bright version of the Hives. the music was nothing like I've heard from previous Swayzak releases. It sounded nothing like the great deep dub house/techno from Snowbaording..., Himawari, or even the last electrocash one. It was all heard-it-before garage glam rock crap. Can this be the same Swayzak?! MEK
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I picked up the LP sampler at the weekend, I didn't listen to it completely but have been a fan for a while so assumed it would be okay. I have to say I think Bergerie is okay, it's fairly interesting. Another Way which I think they've released as the A-side is really quite poor. I didn't mind some of the vocals on dirty dancing (car crash was bad) and the vocals on himawari were excellent, but the vocals on this one are really not nice. I think they're sound has taken a real step back, I still think himawari and snowboarding sound fresher than Dirty Dancing and they're most recent efforts. I really think they made a mistake when they stopped the work with theorem, the thx stuff and slave to the hard drive were all excellent. I've listened to the rest of the album and it may just be me but it sounds to me like an underworld album from 5-6 years ago. I understand what they're saying about the electroclash comments but why does all their artwork/style come across in a very electroclash manner? Haven't seen the advert and really don't want to. :( -Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.swayzak.com/index_old.html Swayzak to feature in Hellomoto commercial. Soon to be aired in North America, the clip features the song 'SPEAKEASY', from the new LP. The band also appear in the ad, looking good in suits. The new hellomoto phone features mp3 player with the abilty to download and stream audio whilst on the move, compatible with itunes, it takes portable digital music to the next level. anyone else see this? wasn't there a Cure song about always jumping on someone else's train? ;) MEK This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
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Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all. -- From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 2:13 AM techno isnt selling how it used to. I'd hate to have relied on selling my music(ha) for the past few years, as I'd imagine I'd have to make the choice between getting a dayjob or releasing something suited a bit more for mass consumption. enough of me and my recently jaded opinions, sorry. -Joe - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? It is. I went to Japan lately for work and hung out with those guys at a festival I covered. They're not selling out, they're very underground in ethos. They didn't do the ad without thinking and were worried about appearing in it but deemed it a worthwhile outlet since it's hard for them to get exposure elsewhere. They do have a live band type set up now and one of the guys doesn't tour. They have a singer. I think with the changes over the albums they just don't want to get in a stylistic box. They were bewildered with the electroclash tag for Dirty Dancing, saying they'd always done electro. I do remember them playing here years ago and it was very different to what they're doing now. The only small thing I have is if you want to do vocal music you need a good song - a hook - of some kind or the music is in limbo and they need to develop that. Jeff Mills once explained to me and a promoter here that even a techno producer has to have a hook, all music does, and that stuck with me. Hopefully I will post the Swayzak interview soon. Weird - I just saw an advert on tv last night for a phone - there is a guy on a bullet type train and he's walking from car to car. He flips open his phone and it says 'SWAYZAK' on the screen. He then turns around and there is a full glam/garage rock band behind him. Drummer, guitarist, lead singer, etc. Very fuzzed out overdriven guitar rock style. The band was looking quite glam in purple suits and sh*t. Like a very bright version of the Hives. the music was nothing like I've heard from previous Swayzak releases. It sounded nothing like the great deep dub house/techno from Snowbaording..., Himawari, or even the last electrocash one. It was all heard-it-before garage glam rock crap. Can this be the same Swayzak?! MEK
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i quite like the new swayzak, certainly more than the last one. with teh exception of the track used in the ad (i havenn't seen it) i found it to be a clever mix of minimal house and pop, more on the former than the latter. y'all should read my article in the current URB to get my full opinion ;) On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, LR T wrote: I think I saw this ad the other night. All I can say is I have been a big Swayzak fan from the start and don't think I will be buying this latest. I have heard the entire album and really dissapointed at where they have gone with their sound and all those horrid (IMHO) vocals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:24:42 -0500 http://www.swayzak.com/index_old.html Swayzak to feature in Hellomoto commercial. Soon to be aired in North America, the clip features the song 'SPEAKEASY', from the new LP. The band also appear in the ad, looking good in suits. The new hellomoto phone features mp3 player with the abilty to download and stream audio whilst on the move, compatible with itunes, it takes portable digital music to the next level. anyone else see this? wasn't there a Cure song about always jumping on someone else's train? ;) MEK
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True, it doesn't. But at the same time I myself don't find the idea of listening to someone else paying their bills very appealing... Brendan- i will be sampling this phrase in my writing. and you will not be given credit ;) -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 October 2004 16:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound glad he's making money. artistic integrity doesn't pay the bills -Joe
